The Immune System - When did it get it Right?

[chrisg307]

Creation is not as intelligent as Evolution IMHO because the first is a finite response. The second is by definition an ongoing response to ongoing attacks of new creations. I am sorry you are confused, but I can understand your adherence to a static idea. Evolution is way too complex for us.

[BereanBeacon1]

@chrisg307 LOL, sorry, but evolution is a not real science, but science fiction. "Evolution is way too complex for us" is why it would never work.

[chrisg307]

@BereanBeacon1 Two things: I think I was too harsh in my reply, I think and even as I expressed in my reply, creation and evolution work hand in hand to progress their offspring. As to "why it would never work", makes no sense as it is obviously working. Evolution IS intelligence, just too intelligent for us. For you to consider it cannot be too complex for us, means yu think yourself greater than god. Good luck with that. I won't continue, but hope TIME helps you.

[rhuhawk]

I just don't understand how a person who calls themselves a doctor or a scientist can say something like "this system is so complex that a it must have been designed by god" Our computers are pretty complex, are they designed by god? NO. If you are a scientist then you should have done simple experiment that mutate DNA of bacteria and select for auxotrophic mutations. What do you call that? EVOLUTION - a change in genetic material over generations.

[buddyboyboy13]

inforce1 to help build your immuine system

[sarfrazkhalid]

EXPLAIN how we evolved? i believe u'll find this hard because we dint! SCIENTIST of the world i challenge u to explain how without these atoms, molecules, enzymes and antigens being a complete complex and preprogrammed. how did it evolved because without any of the right biomechanics in place non the functions of our body would ever work... so it can never evolve witout having bein designed from the start... u narrow minded fucks... (ALLAH / GOD is ur creater!!!) Thee Grand Architect!

[SolidGaby]

Whichever scientist who endorses creationism should have their bachalor degree taken away

[SolidGaby]

@SolidGaby bachelor*

[Scarecrow0089]

Let us pray...give thanks to wars,disease and death. Lol this idiot can't figure it out so he points to god... This isn't the 1400s anymore get your head out of the sand.

[TomJames909090]

@Scarecrow0089 we must find God in what we know, not in what we dont know.

couldnt agree more mate..

[bourbonstmc]

YouTube protocol: religious pseudo-science videos need to have the word "miracle" in the title so serious students don't waste their time.

[jleyheful]

i agree with einstein. who believed in intelligent design, look it up smart guy

[b1gr1g]

This video sucks. Less "god" please.

[ShwangShwing]

God designed my immune system? My immune system is defective. Fuck you, God, for not giving me a fucked up immune system! Fuck you, God!

[alek100]

lol

[Brasik1]

The alchemical saying, "As above, so below." The Cambridge vs Oxford Debate on Order vs Creation is settled. Cambridge (order) won.

[cbollins1990]

Religion has no place in science

[morica12]

It is very disappointing that this video is below par. The voices of the orators were very difficult to listen to. One seemed to find it difficult to stay awake. Just because the video is seeking to make the case for a creator does not excuse poor quality. Please spend a little bit of money and create something that meets the standards of other videos on this site which do not have a creator theme.

[tfennimore]

fuckin' ignorant hogwash

[antirealm]

was interesting until the blissfully ignorant comments at the end. evolution has created awesome things including the brain

[damoos]

as if

[Apocryphile1970]

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[sarfrazkhalid]

@Apocryphile1970 i agree... read the Holy Qur'an and expand your knowledge! i have studied christianity and am V pleased to see ur comment becuase thse evolutionists chat shit... we will inshallah go back to our Grand Creator one day and we will see... if seein is believin.... O and darwin's "theory"?... ask them for the FACTS!!

[TheFiggRig]

I believe in evolution and am a scientist. That said, the points they raise about the improbability of evolution unifying the disparate parts of the immune system simultaneously is warranted. You are a poor scientist if you are unable to accept science as an imperfect method for seeking after the truth. You are just as ridiculous as the ignorant "man of faith" who rejects alternative conduits of truth just because it doesn't jive with your preferred methods for acquiring knowledge.

[sarfrazkhalid]

@TheFiggRig chattin shit mate... back it up... fool

[TheFiggRig]

@sarfrazkhalid I think you should re-read my comment. You obviously did not understand what I was saying. Back up what? That scientists need to recognize the limits of their understanding? They should. I don't feel proof is necessary when telling people they don't understand everything.

Additionally, take a little more time to clean up your grammar and your credibility will improve. Name calling does not substantiate your views.

[danskal]

If you remove all the references to god and id in this video, it would be a great video. I hope some scientific organisations will step up and start creating equally detailed videos, with the correct evolutionary explanations

[xacaria2004]

thank you

[macwild1234]

BULLSHIT

[basicmadman]

viruses and bacteria also help to keep aliens off our planet aas well , i know thats sounds crazy, it may not be much help but , incase we were invaded it could end up being a war of the worlds situation

[ExNihiloJimmy]

A fair point

[magnificmover]

What a great video!

[ElensarFFXI]

God didnt do anything and is on noones side because he/it doesnt exist :)

[sharron617]

I agree!!

[CountBezukhov]

The immune system is a marvelous thing, indeed. But why did God make autoimmune diseases?

[predator810]

God is on nature's side. He just wants to create a balance in this universe.

[One1ManArmy]

Also, even out own GI tract (mainly the colon) is swarming with many strains of bacteria, which help protect it against invading pathogens. If there were absent, it would allow many pathogens (bad bacteria?) to cause a variety of damage.

I don't know if you asked your question seriously, but I hope this helped a little. If you are interested, there are tons of excellent books of microbiology :-)

[One1ManArmy]

There is also so much more evidence, too much to state here.

Our immune systems have evolved over a very long period of time. And bacteria is actually very useful for humans. Look up bioreactors and environmental biology.

[One1ManArmy]

Bacteria (prokaryotes) have been on earth for a very long time, and humans are actually derived from bacteria! If you look at out mitochondria, for example, it is remarkably similar to a typical bacterium cell. It is widely believed that an early eukaryote took onboard a symbiotic prokaryote that was able to detoxify oxygen, as around that time, the levels of O2 were increasing in the atmosphere.

[fresnodarwindog]

wow interesting. observations are okay, but how did God create the immune system? This is not answered, and thus no real research will be generated from ID. No research = no cures for various nasty diseases.

we christians need to be careful adopting id on the basis that a body system is complicated b/c answers will be found. the video flat out lies in impling there is no evo explanation for the immune system. what is wrong w/ using the bible + developing a relationship w/god?

[SEEpsalm27]

God bless you. :)

[sondelachez]

this is a load of fucked up lies and propoganda. quite funny but at the same time scary

[mullahunter]

I agree.

[luxenfux]

There are those who search the truth with courage and by looking at reality unbiased, and there are those who prefer one view over all others, and whose wellbeing and sense of security is governed by this belief.

[ThaiFabi]

aids is not a virus, hiv is...

it's too complicated? so everything you don't understand after a little research is too complex to explain where it came from? i don't say science has all the answers, but this is a pile of made up crap.. try getting an A in the exams by writing 'too difficult to understand - must've been created by a superior intelligence'

[edowokudasai]

/agreed

[DarkHero187]

@ThaiFabi You are right and the governemnt created all viruses humanity is suffering from today but the real fight is that the governement has been killing us this whole time with chemicals. Look it up its no joke but they are planning a holocaust and i can prove it all, go to infowarsDOTcom and be blown away guys, thank me for the warning :)

[sarfrazkhalid]

@DarkHero187 goverment did experiments... YES! might have created the HIV virus to kill off and control the afro-carribean population... but did NOT create other viruses, bacterias or allergens.... these wr created by our creater to show how weak we are without that, what GOD has given to us all! The Immune System!

[TheDrumShow]

@ThaiFabi Lol. I know right, get educated people! Science is brilliant

[Erickuso999]

You can't be serious; go back to the 6th century !

[ohtana]

I wanted science no made up god bull

[mullahunter]

lol. good one.

[SEEpsalm27]

khejalat bekesh. Chera khodaro rad mikonio ba in be khadaha ham aghide mishi aziz.. Khodawand zende hast. Oon afarinandeye hamechize. khodaye Issa.

[markgg1]

oh for fuks sake, I came across this video to watch a proper video on the immune system

what the fuk is wrong with you americans? This is NOT SCIENCE

dont you see, this is just propaganda to try to confirm the existance of god using science, whether you are theist or atheist this is undeniable. It is frustrating coming from a more enlightened country when I come across this horse shit.

[wandp7782]

the difference is that you do not want to accept logic. I will accept science and logic both whereas you only science which is baised in nature.

[BEANMANOR]

4:31 - that guy does not know what he is talking about. Antibodies do not literally blow up invaders

[jacko39]

if only it could figh tof and kill AIDS..:-(

[Apocryphile1970]

FIND OUT ABOUT THE BLACK HOLE IN THE BOOK OF ENOCH!

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[foldedintobeauty2]

oooooooooooooooooh great. i thought this would be all scientific

[ousooners5193]

Simply because we cannot explain it yet, does not mean we should ascribe it to god and simply stop questioning it. We must search harder. That's the problem with religion, it gives us an easy way to explain something we currently cannot understand, and we simply stop searching. The downfall of humanity will be swift if we revert to the ways of our ancestors. I personally deny the existence of god. My reasons are my own, and telling me "i dont like you, but god does" will certainly confirm it.

[Steeler49er]

And Yes, I'm aware I misspelled "nihilistic".

My bad...残念に思う！

[lordweaselfreak]

if our immune system is so well "designed" why "design" it to be attacked in the first place only those afraid to face the reality that there is no point to existing believe in god

[Steeler49er]

If you believe there's no point, than logicaly you shouldn't waste any more energy by breathing!

No point to life, no point to continuing existance. That promotion you just got from your boss, that sex you just had with that hotty nurse intern, that new X-Box360 you bought, all pointless.

You can't take it with you into oblivion. All the accolades & statues built in your honor by people wanting something from you, won't get you out of that "Good Night Darkly"!

So just shoot yourself!

[lordweaselfreak]

so i should just pretend theres a god like the rest of you religious phoneys just because i cant take the reality that theres no point to existing. im glad to be alive. i think it would have been so easy for me not to have been here all it would have taken is one of my evolutionary line going right back to the first prokaryote to have died without reproducing and bam! i wouldnt be here i cherish life because i know that this is the one shot i get before i return to the void i came from.

[Steeler49er]

I couldn't care less if you don't believe, God likes you, Not I.

I was just ppointing out that a nhilistic view is a realistic view. Atheists are people who give off a vibe of being someone who actually believes in God, somewhere in you mind, and your soooo afraid of dying, you lash out at those that remind you of your fate.

If you die and go into oblivion, your existance and memmories are wiped out. So you'll do it/life, all for nothing. So why bother? It's illogical to expend needlessly.

[rhuhawk]

@Steeler49er People bother because most people strive to better NOT only themselves but the next generation and the world around them. Even if you die, your contributions to this life will go and help the next generation of people. There is nothing illogical or selfish about that. I think its more selfish to believe in an afterlife that YOU can only get into by doing good deeds - what is the real reason you are doing them? FOR YOU ... so YOU can go to heaven not everyone else.

[Steeler49er]

@rhuhawk Selfish IS surivial... Selfless is slavery!

When you Let people (who are scared to Death about Death) try and convice you to live for the betterment of 'Theirs' and 'Their Societies' existance (an existance that could end any minute), THAT is what is call "Selfishness incarnate"! Those people are beyond help who believe that all others should better their lives and help hide the fact that, As per the laws of reality, it is a given that they'll all die...

[Steeler49er]

@rhuhawk As far as After-lives and selfishness goes, Being selfish for "Your Own benifit", That is a good thing (even in evolution) and I made No bones about it not being the case in regards to either Evolution Or Religiousness. In Both cases it is Good to be selfish. However, in regards to religion it is Very Bad to be Self-centered (as that generally gets you kicked out of whatever after-life you believe in) and Very VERY bad to be utterly Self-less in evolution (as that makes you a slave).

[Steeler49er]

@rhuhawk So In closing...

Selfish=GOOD! :)

Self-centered+In religion= Bad! :(

Selfless-ness+Evolution=Berry Berry Bad! IP -(Yuk)

It's fine to be selfish as an evolutionist, but to let Other selfish people (who are suffering from "death denial") tell you that you must exist for the "Greater Good', when in fact they can offer you nothing of lasting value in return for your services, call you selfish and evil for your selfishness, is hypocracy on their part.

Is bad.

Greater Good=Ultra Bad!

[rhuhawk]

@Steeler49er Of course there is everlasting value in helping others. I help others because I believe in sharing my knowledge so that people around me can benefit. I expect nothing in return. It is much better to live in cooperative society rather one that promotes competition for selfish gains. Of course healthy competition is encouraged with the right goals in mind. Biologically speaking we as primates are social pack animals and cooperating with each other ensures our survival.

[Steeler49er]

@rhuhawk Still not seeing how helping others (to their benifit) is helpful to you when, once you die, you cease to be. All of those you've known will join you in oblivion, your geno-class will die out in time, you nation, the human race, the earth, and finally the whole of the universe. Nothing lasting. Yet you contend that because something of the accomplishments of one lone being May continue for the benifit of other people (who are nothing more than chemical robots), you continue through them

[Steeler49er]

@rhuhawk Everlasting means everlasting and I'm just not seeing that. I just can not fathom the illogic of letting other selfish being who fear death, try and convince others that they should eat, sleep, breath, and ultimately Die in order to feed their need to 'try and forget' their mortality. That is just as bad as believing in religion because one feels they Need hope. Hope in religion is as illogical as denial of the mortality of ones accomplishments is in evolution.

Nihilists are realists.

[Steeler49er]

@rhuhawk Not that I have much in the way of emotions in the way of this subject, nor regarding what others do, or do not believe in since others beliefs (or lack there of) have no impact on me one way or the other. Then again I posted the first commet two years ago on a mommentary lark and was over it momments after writting it. In closing nothing matters, not people, the planet, not I nor anything else. Unless of course I'm wrong and God exists and people are real suolful beings then Whoops! :P

[wdwatkins59]

Your a complete phoney

[wdwatkins59]

God is the source of everything

[madman0000004]

Scientist: Sir I've found the answer!

Executive: Tell me doctor, what is it? Scientist: God did it!

Executive: Well done doctor! Drinks are in order! We're throwing you a retirement party. (Later that day) Executive: Now to figure out what this means?

[banerjesus]

this is depressing.

[laetrille]

You are a fucking loser and probrably one of those faggot/bitch myspace losers

[EvelcyclopS]

when he said that t cells learn anatomy, i burst out laughing. honestly to god, do people actually believe this BS? taught anatomy? are youkidding me?

roffle

[EvelcyclopS]

"creation research is proving to others"

you mean bloody stupid 'others' who will believe it, not because its based on overwhelming observable, falsifiable evidence based on logical conjecture, but because there a magician up in the sky who rules your lives.

pathetic, and so is this video, disgustingly inaccurate, and indoctrination to boot.

let people who want to learn about science learn about real science, and keep your doctrination to the churches.

[hvs5]

the first image is upsidedown

[checkmatebtch]

where all all the missing links? Where are the intermediate organisms between Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, Neaderthal, Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

Thats right There aren't any because they were different organisms.

[EvelcyclopS]

oh really, and you know more than hundreds of thousands of academically qualified scientists do you? thats mightily arrogant.

but of course you know, because your preist or pastor or whatever told you that was the case. cos he knows better of course!

if th epope had accepted evolution like h should have done, you wouldnt be raising these ridiculous notions. but because your ancient book says it aint so, then by golly gosh, no matter how good technology gets, it just aint so.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Do aluminum & mercury & killed virus containing vaccines cause Auto immune disease

[arcaneeagle42]

this is minisrty with a few miss leading facts thrown in. this not science. the immune system is well documented in lows organims. this video is a exercise in selecitve learning / listening.

then siting science changes in proof. T cells nomatter what the veriety is not edjucated, they adapt.

if the immune system wa perfict why are we ever sick?

[AnatomaniaK]

a complex system. a complex universe. no new argument here.

[dingorex]

Great video. Thanks for your ministry

[Hawk5151]

creation research? I thought it was called faith. Do you religious freaks have no faith anymore?

[tbonesgirl06]

its not the fact of no faith...creation research is proving to others, who dont believe, that it is really true, that we are created by God.

[EvelcyclopS]

yeah they call it research, yet do no research.

thee people are poor misguided fools brought up to believe their magic fairy is the correct one, and they just happened to be lucky enough to be born where all his followers live. and subsequently dragged up beilieving this horseshit

leave people who want a proper education alone, you have enough stupid people in america to brainwash without those who want to better themselves

[0x80]

Your killing god, stop making him laugh!

I never quite understood, why people marvel at aspects of biological complexity... "Evolution is ok, but this is too complex for evolution." .... uhhh lol.

"But who could overturn with reasons, what the mob has once learned to believe without reasons?"

[0x80]

Your killing god, stop making him laugh!

I never quite understood, why people marvel at aspects of biological complexity... "Evolution is ok, but this is too complex for evolution." .... uhhh lol.

"But who could overturn with reasons, what the mob has once learned to believe without reasons?"

[0x80]

Your killing god, stop making him laugh!

I never quite understood, why people marvel at aspects of biological complexity... "Evolution is ok, but this is too complex for evolution." .... uhhh lol.

"But who could overturn with reasons, what the mob has once learned to believe without reasons?"

[Straynjer]

Humeral immunity is one of the biological systems that most discredits ID/creationism. The system is stunningly over-complex and inefficient. To protect against the variety of pathogens out there the humeral immunity system produces antibodies to almost every possible shape of protein - including all our own proteins! As a result it needs a de-sensitizing phase where auto-immune reactions are shut down. An omnipotent designer would have come up with a far more streamlined and efficient process.

[Belluschi85]

well, that means if u increase or decrease their values the universe as we know it, wouldn't exist. no universe means no ass wipes like u spitting shit u don't even know about... by the way... why R u listening to this video if u r not a creationist?

[scotpens]

Of all the pillars on which modern science stands, only evolution is singled out for attack by religious conservatives. You don't see Christian fundamentalists going around trying to "debunk" gravity or Newton's mechanics or modern chemistry or the theory of atomic structure. So why this obsession with evolution? Is it that streak of human arrogance that makes us want to believe our species is somehow special or unique?

[mmakram]

"gravity or Newton's mechanics or modern chemistry or the theory of atomic structure".. all of these are testable...u can actually do an experiment under controlled conditions and prove them...Evolution needs faith..there is evidence but no proof...evidence is only for microevolution, macroevolution is just "Blind faith"

[imboblolgodie]

john 3:16 !!!!!!!

[YNCoNuong]

creation science? lol. Are you sure god created the immune system? I think the gummy bear invented the immune system!

[Belluschi85]

And I think I fucked ur mom

[YNCoNuong]

Haha, it's ok for you to think that you fucked my mom, but I know for a FACT that you did NOT! Can't you see that what you are arguing for has no proof, the same as saying I THINK this and I think that had happened. You thought that would offend me? well not in this lifetime.

[Belluschi85]

cool, cuz I was about to say that I also fucked ur sister.

[YNCoNuong]

Haha...I don't have a sister! You must have fucked someone else's sister. Be careful...you might get a black eye from the brother/father/cousin some day.

[YNCoNuong]

creation science? lol. Are you sure god created the immune system? I think the gummy bear invented the immune system!

[CadicusTheDamned]

Liberty University and the Institute for Creation Research, huh?

*lulz*

[goshawker07]

the idiots that make these vids, would achive their objective far better if they just made their point and asked questions in point form. We then are forced to ask ourself the question is this evolution or was it created. All the evidence may point to creation but then they push in their religious objective, and destroy their argument!!

[cineural]

yo creo que lo que dice pega mejor con el saltacionismo que con el creacionismo

[cartoonfanatics]

i dont get it =D..you could blame me im 9 D:

[rockotto727]

Thank God I am an evolutionist.

[sarfrazkhalid]

@rockotto727 ha ha funny fcker

[phoenixshade3]

This is not design. Duane Gish is a liar; his arguments have been defeated and he has admitted such, but continued to use the same arguments.

Mutation + Natural Selection + 4 billion years = US.

[Belluschi85]

what happened before the mutation took place?

[phoenixshade3]

That's a different question on a different subject: ABIOGENESIS. Evolution does not attempt to explain the ORIGIN of life; only what happened once life had started.

Of course, creationists happily display their scientific ignorance by confusing the two.

[Belluschi85]

of course that evolution dont explain THE ORIGING OF LIFE... if they can't explain the origin of life, then how they TRY to explain life itself without knowing their origins.

[phoenixshade3]

Let's switch gears here. I'm tired of defending the absolutely sound science of evolution, so now it's your turn.

What specific POSITIVE PREDICTIONS have been made by creationism that have been confirmed by later observation? Please cite sources.

What specific REAL-WORLD APPLICATIONS has creationism produced in the fields of medicine, biology, genetics, etc?

What specific observations would DISPROVE creationism, and what research is being done along these lines?

[Belluschi85]

intelligent design, the cosmological constant, electromagnetic force/gravity, the ratio of electrons/protons, expansion rate of the universe.... these observations are being tested by many scientist.. Well Something that disproves creationism would be liars like U and the other liars of evolution. Creationism is not a doctrine about medicine, it deals only with biology, genetics, and many other fields.

[phoenixshade3]

OK, by what testable MECHANISM of creationism are the values of the constants you listed PREDICTED? That's a non-answer. Strike one.

Medicine is intimately connected to biology and genetics. Besides, you listed NO real-world applications. Another non-answer. Strike two.

Your comment on any specific observations that would DISPROVE creationism shows that you have no understanding of the scientific method. Strike three.

Three direct questions; three non-answers. I expected as much.

[GospelTruth777]

Absolutely fascinating, please keep information like this flowing.

[BereanBeacon]

GospelTruth777, thank you or the encourageing comment. The evolutionists are very upset that they are being exposed.