@spikeyisland70 Yeah I'm not particularly enamoured with his channel either although enough of it is in defence of women's rights so it isn't all bad. You did however try to undermine his argument by saying that it's because he has had bad experiences with women. Ironically, I must say, it detracts from your argument. The thing is that I can see how comments like that cause resentment towards women to the point that men just stop helping women when they're at the mercy of others.
@TableWolfMusic I suspected that he had bad experiences with women otherwise why would he make such sweeping generalisations about the selfish nature of women? A bit silly really. I wasn't trying to undermine his argument, I was just trying to have a bit of healthy debate :)
@spikeyisland70 There was something you both agreed on which was quite interesting. You said that you don't feel the tax payer (via NHS) should pay for the operation to remove a faulty implant. Now if somebody had a mastectomy for a non boob-job related illness like cancer, do you think they should have the option of a breast implant on the NHS? Some argue it's needed for a "normal" life, like fixing a cleft lip. Others say just save more lives instead & wear bra pads covered up.
@ukculture If you'd paid attention to any interviews with these (evil) women, the majority are saying that they do NOT expect the NHS to foot the bill for private operations. My opinions on you are solely based on the things you upload and I'm guessing you're a Tory or a member of the EDL!!
@ukculture Thank you. I am now a very reasonable/happy woman but I have been bloody hard done by in the past :) ..... and I am pro-immigration and a Labour party supporter!!
Tracy stevens, you shoudl have been a real woman and aged gracefully instead of pumping your body up with Plastic. I bet she coulnd't wait to show them off when she had them done, You get what you pay for... Ego
I speak as I find and according to the realiities of the world. Im not afraid to tell the turth, but people love attacking those who make points and views on here, then they bbecome personal... My view of women and ethnicity issues etc are based on my experiences of the world, not neccessarily direct ones, but observations and the world around me.
Why should Britain pay for removal of breast implants?? They did it privately they should remove them themselves privately, Why should the NHS pick up this tab? Example - Is the NHS going to pick up the tab cos my hair transplant went worng. NO I doubt it. Fuck these self obsessed women.
@ukculture You are absolutely right - no the taxpayer/NHS should not, under any circumstances, foot the bill but the private medical sector should. If you buy a gas appliance for a vast amount of money only to discover that it is potentially dangerous, would you not expect a replacement from the provider? Not all these women are 'self obsessed' - some of had cancer - so get your fucking facts right - thank you :)
@spikeyisland70 Well maybe then if they had cancer they should not have taken more chances and simpyl had the breasts removed. Again, self obsessed modern women wanting to suck from the system. They already woudl have had the removal paid for, why shoudl I PAY for the addition of Fake breasts for anyone through my taxes cancer or not?My factys are right. Its ego by modern women. So Fuck you. Thankyou
@ukculture You really are a compassionate sort of person aren't you? In that case, obese people and smokers can expect to receive no help whatsoever, neither can people who abuse drugs nor people who refuse to eat properly and take exercise. Also, it is worth considering just WHO is reponsible for women feeling inadequate about their bodies? - ummm, that would be men and the media then :)
@spikeyisland70 Half the women in the world have no compassion, they are greedy, selfish, self absorbed, material and only interested in self gratification and always crying that men abuse them. Take a look on the net and see how women love to abuse themselves.... Women are the more deadlier species....
@ukculture Ha! I'm a 41 year old female and I'm sure that I could argue the same point about men. If you have had crappy experiences with bad examples of females, that is not the fault of women who have received faulty breast implants. Have you had a messy divorce and been treated like shite by your ex-partner? Well so have I - it isn't about gender, it's about personality and values - you must attract the wrong type - you're probably rich or something.
@spikeyisland70 Listen. I have great relationships with women and I am very happy, what seems to be the problem on these forums is being unable to accept the truth or tell it. My observations & experience in the world does not refelct my personal relationships. However, observing women in this world is why I have made my points. Why try to twist thigns to a personal level insinuating that my relationships have been sour, You are Far from the truth. your assumptions are typical.
@ukculture You know, even though I don't agree with everything you have said, you are correct on a point you make in this comment.
i.e. "Your assumptions are typical".
I've seen it over and over again when some women start twisting things on a personal level to say that a man must have had bad experiences with women otherwise he would agree with a given point. Poor logic. If a man made a comment like that about women, I'd utterly reject it and say he is not spokesperson for other men.
@spikeyisland70 You are probably basing your opinion about me on your Terrible experiences with men... :-))))))))))))))))))) oooh yes its for sure you are, women are selfish and self absorbed especially these days. They all more rights than men than ever and still keep on whinning
@ukculture That's as maybe but you could argue that about anything - a flash car might be what many men aspire to?? The case to be argued is the case of whether or not private clinics should be liable not whether these women are fake/selfish/self-obsessed, etc. We're talking about trading standards and fairness here.
@spikeyisland70 The flash example is intriguing. I've just got to ask about this one. This will sound sarcastic or piss taking but maybe it's only to make you smile ;) I want your view on the parallel you drew. You mention women (especially with boob jobs) are victims of aspiring to the evil corporation media. So if a guy had a flash car, would you give him a shoulder to cry on because he is a victim of the evil corporation? LOL
I need to sob while I burn rubber. Boo hoo! Vrooom!
@TableWolfMusic If a bloke had saved up lots of money to have a nice, sleek motor and then he found out that what he'd paid for was sub-standard and seriously dangerous, then yes, I would sympathise and I would expect him to get a replacement for free (from the 'evil corporation' that he bought it from. Alot of women are seduced by a bigger pair of boobs because it will make them feel more attractive/confident blah blah - they see pictures of gorgeous celebrities here, there
@spikeyisland70 Not exactly what I was referring to. I meant that you were originally saying that women who have boob-jobs are victims before the "purchase", whether they are faulty or not. That is something seperate from a trading standards/ OFT issue. So the car analogy would require the "client" to be a victim of a pressure to own a flash car regardless of the integrity of its manufacture. Just trying to not confuse the two matters. So, what is your view from that perspective?
@TableWolfMusic and everywhere that make them feel wholly inadequate (especially young women). Look, I have worked with teenagers for the past 10 years and there is a whole bunch of girls who aspire to look like 'porn stars' - direct quotation. Lots of young lasses want to be perfect - all tits and arse, skinny waist and long blonde hair. Incidentally, I was pleased to see that Michael Fassbender's last girlfriend has little boobs!!
@spikeyisland70 I've only just realised this is a double post. Anyway, I had to wiki search that name. I find celebs to be of limited value mostly. I still don't get why women/lasses are somehow more suseptable to being "made" to feel inadequate than men/lads. Us lads somehow have some magical power to say, "I don't care what anybody thinks I should be". Why don't lasses do that? Why are they victims if men aren't? It isn't as if men aren't given unattainable goals in the media.
@TableWolfMusic LOL. I think men suffer just as much as women now as to what expectations the other side might have - I have a 14 year old son who regularly stresses about the state of his six-pack - hilarious on the one hand but pretty damn disturbing on the other. But you're right, men don't give a fuck as much as women and are able to emotionally disassociate themselves - If I could live my life again, I would so be a man!
@spikeyisland70 I don't think men emotionally disassociat themselves. For one, I feel it would be a mar upon my judgement for me to start weighing up anybody's normal day to day value or worth based upon appearance especially sexual attractiveness. Particularly women do tend to do so more to each other and it's reflected in bitchy remarks and frankly over emphasis on complementing sexual attractiveness as if it's somehow majorly important. Not all women do so but it is the mode.
@TableWolfMusic Very true - women are competitive far more in the looks department - it's all very sad really - but hey, we had an intelligent debate but I still feel these women should be recompensed in some way :)
@spikeyisland70 You know that's a point regarding the compensation thing. Compensation for the debilitating effects should just be a standard court case. It seems odd how that particular point even needs to be publicised in the news. Also the price of the "replacement" and "installation or removal" should again simply be a case of Sales Of Goods Act (or OFT services or goods). It needn't even be a questioned. The only reason this story should be in the news is to warn of dangers.
@spikeyisland70 Hi, Personally I don't agree with the point ukculture makes that "half the women in the world are greedy self absorbed" etc more than men. That said, you too have said something that just plain isn't correct. You say men and the media are responsible for women feeling inadequate about their bodies. But it's the people who pay the media for glossy magazines etc. i.e. the clients are women. Unlike drug addicts, you can turn off the XFactor and stop buying magazines.
@TableWolfMusic 'it's the people that pay the media for glossy magazines etc.' - mmmm - unfortunately media, of one sort or another, is everywhere now. You should see the type of dolls that are popular with little girls these days - eating disorder epidemic waiting to happen. I have 3 children and even if you educate them not to 'buy in' to this bullshit, they WILL be influenced. Popular culture plays a huge part in people's insecurities these days whether you like it or not.
@spikeyisland70 I don't buy into it so why should you if you don't like it? The example that you're on youtube demonstrates the difference in free choice between internet video and TV. You can restrict what your kids (who aren't adults I trust) watch and rather than give them pocket money to buy into it, you can buy better things for them. Abstaining from your own free choice (saying society is to blame) when it suits you undermines your own point. The buck stops with your money.
@TableWolfMusic Did I say I buy these dolls for my daughters? No, I didn't - If I don't approve, they don't get - simple and you really believe that this cuts them off from all that's out there? Absolute bollocks I'm afraid. Children socialise, they go to school, to parties, to sleepovers - you cannot restrict everything your kids do - unfortunately you have to accept what's always 'on display' and educate them - society is not to blame, nasty corporations are :)
@spikeyisland70 You said "buy in" and I understandably thought you meant they are buying products. I didn't say you shold totally cut them off. But how about this? there are plenty images of a man that I could "buy in" to ever since a child, but I didn't and I don't. If men can resist an image forced on them, then what makes a woman so at the mercy of an image forced on her? I am genuinely listening.
@ukculture 'self obsessed modern women wanting to suck from the system' - no, women who have had surgery & PAID FOR IT privately and who have received INDUSTRIAL GRADE silicon should a) receive a refund from the clinic or a free removal/replacement - the only people entitled to removal/replacement on the NHS should be NHS patients. You pay for something, you deserve to get what you paid for - justice yes - vanity not - you don't like women very much judging by your channel do you?
I would hardly say I was 'twisting things' - I just looked at the videos on his channel and, rightly or wrongly, made a few assumptions.
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 Yeah I'm not particularly enamoured with his channel either although enough of it is in defence of women's rights so it isn't all bad. You did however try to undermine his argument by saying that it's because he has had bad experiences with women. Ironically, I must say, it detracts from your argument. The thing is that I can see how comments like that cause resentment towards women to the point that men just stop helping women when they're at the mercy of others.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic I suspected that he had bad experiences with women otherwise why would he make such sweeping generalisations about the selfish nature of women? A bit silly really. I wasn't trying to undermine his argument, I was just trying to have a bit of healthy debate :)
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 There was something you both agreed on which was quite interesting. You said that you don't feel the tax payer (via NHS) should pay for the operation to remove a faulty implant. Now if somebody had a mastectomy for a non boob-job related illness like cancer, do you think they should have the option of a breast implant on the NHS? Some argue it's needed for a "normal" life, like fixing a cleft lip. Others say just save more lives instead & wear bra pads covered up.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
Oh my gosh! Did that cosmetic surgeon say that there are some surgeons who are interested in their profit margin? o_O
Somehow, unless cosmetic surgery is reconstructive surgery or something along those lines, I don't think anyone could call it "medicine".
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
Probably best if these VICTIMS (haha) go let another loan or have their recipient partners pay for the removal and not the tax payer.....
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture If you'd paid attention to any interviews with these (evil) women, the majority are saying that they do NOT expect the NHS to foot the bill for private operations. My opinions on you are solely based on the things you upload and I'm guessing you're a Tory or a member of the EDL!!
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 You appear to be a reasonable woman:-)
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture Thank you. I am now a very reasonable/happy woman but I have been bloody hard done by in the past :) ..... and I am pro-immigration and a Labour party supporter!!
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
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Tracy stevens, you shoudl have been a real woman and aged gracefully instead of pumping your body up with Plastic. I bet she coulnd't wait to show them off when she had them done, You get what you pay for... Ego
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I speak as I find and according to the realiities of the world. Im not afraid to tell the turth, but people love attacking those who make points and views on here, then they bbecome personal... My view of women and ethnicity issues etc are based on my experiences of the world, not neccessarily direct ones, but observations and the world around me.
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spikeyisland70 2 months ago
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Why should Britain pay for removal of breast implants?? They did it privately they should remove them themselves privately, Why should the NHS pick up this tab? Example - Is the NHS going to pick up the tab cos my hair transplant went worng. NO I doubt it. Fuck these self obsessed women.
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture You are absolutely right - no the taxpayer/NHS should not, under any circumstances, foot the bill but the private medical sector should. If you buy a gas appliance for a vast amount of money only to discover that it is potentially dangerous, would you not expect a replacement from the provider? Not all these women are 'self obsessed' - some of had cancer - so get your fucking facts right - thank you :)
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 Well maybe then if they had cancer they should not have taken more chances and simpyl had the breasts removed. Again, self obsessed modern women wanting to suck from the system. They already woudl have had the removal paid for, why shoudl I PAY for the addition of Fake breasts for anyone through my taxes cancer or not?My factys are right. Its ego by modern women. So Fuck you. Thankyou
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture You really are a compassionate sort of person aren't you? In that case, obese people and smokers can expect to receive no help whatsoever, neither can people who abuse drugs nor people who refuse to eat properly and take exercise. Also, it is worth considering just WHO is reponsible for women feeling inadequate about their bodies? - ummm, that would be men and the media then :)
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 Half the women in the world have no compassion, they are greedy, selfish, self absorbed, material and only interested in self gratification and always crying that men abuse them. Take a look on the net and see how women love to abuse themselves.... Women are the more deadlier species....
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture Ha! I'm a 41 year old female and I'm sure that I could argue the same point about men. If you have had crappy experiences with bad examples of females, that is not the fault of women who have received faulty breast implants. Have you had a messy divorce and been treated like shite by your ex-partner? Well so have I - it isn't about gender, it's about personality and values - you must attract the wrong type - you're probably rich or something.
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 Listen. I have great relationships with women and I am very happy, what seems to be the problem on these forums is being unable to accept the truth or tell it. My observations & experience in the world does not refelct my personal relationships. However, observing women in this world is why I have made my points. Why try to twist thigns to a personal level insinuating that my relationships have been sour, You are Far from the truth. your assumptions are typical.
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture You know, even though I don't agree with everything you have said, you are correct on a point you make in this comment.
i.e. "Your assumptions are typical".
I've seen it over and over again when some women start twisting things on a personal level to say that a man must have had bad experiences with women otherwise he would agree with a given point. Poor logic. If a man made a comment like that about women, I'd utterly reject it and say he is not spokesperson for other men.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
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ukculture 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 You are probably basing your opinion about me on your Terrible experiences with men... :-))))))))))))))))))) oooh yes its for sure you are, women are selfish and self absorbed especially these days. They all more rights than men than ever and still keep on whinning
ukculture 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 oooh and the breast implants are the results of their selfishness and self interest
ukculture 2 months ago
@ukculture That's as maybe but you could argue that about anything - a flash car might be what many men aspire to?? The case to be argued is the case of whether or not private clinics should be liable not whether these women are fake/selfish/self-obsessed, etc. We're talking about trading standards and fairness here.
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 The flash example is intriguing. I've just got to ask about this one. This will sound sarcastic or piss taking but maybe it's only to make you smile ;) I want your view on the parallel you drew. You mention women (especially with boob jobs) are victims of aspiring to the evil corporation media. So if a guy had a flash car, would you give him a shoulder to cry on because he is a victim of the evil corporation? LOL
I need to sob while I burn rubber. Boo hoo! Vrooom!
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic If a bloke had saved up lots of money to have a nice, sleek motor and then he found out that what he'd paid for was sub-standard and seriously dangerous, then yes, I would sympathise and I would expect him to get a replacement for free (from the 'evil corporation' that he bought it from. Alot of women are seduced by a bigger pair of boobs because it will make them feel more attractive/confident blah blah - they see pictures of gorgeous celebrities here, there
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 Not exactly what I was referring to. I meant that you were originally saying that women who have boob-jobs are victims before the "purchase", whether they are faulty or not. That is something seperate from a trading standards/ OFT issue. So the car analogy would require the "client" to be a victim of a pressure to own a flash car regardless of the integrity of its manufacture. Just trying to not confuse the two matters. So, what is your view from that perspective?
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic and everywhere that make them feel wholly inadequate (especially young women). Look, I have worked with teenagers for the past 10 years and there is a whole bunch of girls who aspire to look like 'porn stars' - direct quotation. Lots of young lasses want to be perfect - all tits and arse, skinny waist and long blonde hair. Incidentally, I was pleased to see that Michael Fassbender's last girlfriend has little boobs!!
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 I've only just realised this is a double post. Anyway, I had to wiki search that name. I find celebs to be of limited value mostly. I still don't get why women/lasses are somehow more suseptable to being "made" to feel inadequate than men/lads. Us lads somehow have some magical power to say, "I don't care what anybody thinks I should be". Why don't lasses do that? Why are they victims if men aren't? It isn't as if men aren't given unattainable goals in the media.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic LOL. I think men suffer just as much as women now as to what expectations the other side might have - I have a 14 year old son who regularly stresses about the state of his six-pack - hilarious on the one hand but pretty damn disturbing on the other. But you're right, men don't give a fuck as much as women and are able to emotionally disassociate themselves - If I could live my life again, I would so be a man!
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 I don't think men emotionally disassociat themselves. For one, I feel it would be a mar upon my judgement for me to start weighing up anybody's normal day to day value or worth based upon appearance especially sexual attractiveness. Particularly women do tend to do so more to each other and it's reflected in bitchy remarks and frankly over emphasis on complementing sexual attractiveness as if it's somehow majorly important. Not all women do so but it is the mode.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic Very true - women are competitive far more in the looks department - it's all very sad really - but hey, we had an intelligent debate but I still feel these women should be recompensed in some way :)
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 You know that's a point regarding the compensation thing. Compensation for the debilitating effects should just be a standard court case. It seems odd how that particular point even needs to be publicised in the news. Also the price of the "replacement" and "installation or removal" should again simply be a case of Sales Of Goods Act (or OFT services or goods). It needn't even be a questioned. The only reason this story should be in the news is to warn of dangers.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic Amen.
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 Hi, Personally I don't agree with the point ukculture makes that "half the women in the world are greedy self absorbed" etc more than men. That said, you too have said something that just plain isn't correct. You say men and the media are responsible for women feeling inadequate about their bodies. But it's the people who pay the media for glossy magazines etc. i.e. the clients are women. Unlike drug addicts, you can turn off the XFactor and stop buying magazines.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic 'it's the people that pay the media for glossy magazines etc.' - mmmm - unfortunately media, of one sort or another, is everywhere now. You should see the type of dolls that are popular with little girls these days - eating disorder epidemic waiting to happen. I have 3 children and even if you educate them not to 'buy in' to this bullshit, they WILL be influenced. Popular culture plays a huge part in people's insecurities these days whether you like it or not.
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 I don't buy into it so why should you if you don't like it? The example that you're on youtube demonstrates the difference in free choice between internet video and TV. You can restrict what your kids (who aren't adults I trust) watch and rather than give them pocket money to buy into it, you can buy better things for them. Abstaining from your own free choice (saying society is to blame) when it suits you undermines your own point. The buck stops with your money.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@TableWolfMusic Did I say I buy these dolls for my daughters? No, I didn't - If I don't approve, they don't get - simple and you really believe that this cuts them off from all that's out there? Absolute bollocks I'm afraid. Children socialise, they go to school, to parties, to sleepovers - you cannot restrict everything your kids do - unfortunately you have to accept what's always 'on display' and educate them - society is not to blame, nasty corporations are :)
spikeyisland70 2 months ago
@spikeyisland70 You said "buy in" and I understandably thought you meant they are buying products. I didn't say you shold totally cut them off. But how about this? there are plenty images of a man that I could "buy in" to ever since a child, but I didn't and I don't. If men can resist an image forced on them, then what makes a woman so at the mercy of an image forced on her? I am genuinely listening.
TableWolfMusic 2 months ago
@ukculture 'self obsessed modern women wanting to suck from the system' - no, women who have had surgery & PAID FOR IT privately and who have received INDUSTRIAL GRADE silicon should a) receive a refund from the clinic or a free removal/replacement - the only people entitled to removal/replacement on the NHS should be NHS patients. You pay for something, you deserve to get what you paid for - justice yes - vanity not - you don't like women very much judging by your channel do you?
spikeyisland70 2 months ago