Blackjack High-Low Card Count Shattered

[kebo15706]

I drank the Hi-lo kool aid

[BendMoments]

So which book do you recommend?

[joewalker77]

Thank you VERY MUCH! I'm going to give this a go tomorrow! Theres a Vegas trip I can't really afford to go to next week and have a good time ( I like to gamble and take $5-700 a day to do so) So far I've turned $50 into $350 on 6 shoe blackjack on pure luck!! Is that too small of a bankroll to try and roll into a GRAND by friday following this system? In a perfect world. My guess is from your confidence in the delivery of this system, is YES... Maybe it won't happen on the first $100...

[ezpicker1]

do you think counting in a 6 deck shoe game is worth it? does your count mainly applt to single and double deck games

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@ezpicker1 We have a 6 deck video here on this channel which teaches back counting with this count. Table hopping shoe games is profitable when we only play plus counts and leave on negative counts

[itstheshiz13]

ive never used 10 -2 method i use 10-1

[jigsnwigs]

Is this a joke? Sure looks that way.

[Rivonline]

I've been playing hi-lo for years logged in thousands of hours and its simple, easy to apply and efficient. Using higher level counts does not add a very big edge for you. In fact me doubling on a soft 19 add more of an edge than using a higher unbalanced count like Zen on Uston SS. The only time i dont play Hi-lo is when im playing SD using HI-opt 1. Btw, dont sound so angry, doesnt really help your character sir.

[blounton]

you don't mention the true count...does the true count matter or only the running count?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@blounton: A running count is used in double deck games for perfect insurance betting. The count is based on 1/4 decks to calculate insurance and blackjack frequencies. Excess aces and tens each 1/4 deck is our sweet spot to nail more blackjacks. A true count per deck is used at 6/8 games for insurance and playing decisions. A running count of +16 with four decks (with the normal amount of aces) to go is a true count of +4, we insure at true counts of +4 or more.

[jpd018]

good job with this video. 5/5

[staypress]

Just to recap why is the hilo put down so much as it seems to me that the only difference is SC the aces and getting slightly more accurate BJ frequencies. but playing with 4 decks and up and with 5 boxes open most of the time why have more complicated counts and for what a 0.003 edge?? although the 789 cards seem to be the only prob as a rich deck with these cards can cause problems

[dmwalker1]

What if the count is really high like +7 or around there and there are two other people at the table playing beside you. Could they steal the blackjack away from you??

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@dmwalker1 You and the dealer will get the same percentage of blackjacks no matter how many players are in the game.

[Gravedigger323]

can you help me i dont understand your system

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@Gravedigger323 Try viewing all the videos and read my blog at Casino Examiner (link is on the Channel Page) to get a grasp of the JSTAT Count .You need to know the blackjack frequency math which is explained four minutes into the "Card counting at double deck blackjack" to know when we have the advantage.Practice with a single deck and note the aces and tens remaining by seperating them with the count. More aces and tens left than normal is our edge. Practice,discipline,and bankroll is the goal

[gamemeister27]

And now I'm using Zen to Count, according to the effiency calculator, it's about .06 better playing effeciency using Zen. 2,3,7=+1 4-6=+2 10,A=-2

Plus I can't side track aces very well. So far (simulating at home I've doubled up after 22 decks (I've been higher, but hit a bit of a losing streak).

Thanks for the info, I probably wouldn't have done so well with just hi-lo.

[Gravedigger323]

@gamemeister27 can u explain the zen count alittle better ....why is it better then the hi low system

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@Gravedigger323 For an explanation about the Zen Count, it is better to go the system creator Arnold Snyder to answer at his site Blackjack Forum Online. Zen at least adds more respect to the aces by placing more importance to them than the dreaded hi-lo card counting system. Hi-lo sends many to an early grave.

[gamemeister27]

@Gravedigger323 2,3, and 7 are + 1. 4,5 and 6 are +2. This is more accurate as 456 are cards that making busting easier than 2 3 or 7. 10-King are -2 while aces are - 1. This is because 10s always benefit the player, while aces can benefit the player only sometimes.

[dragonball994]

Do you think that we should play singel deck or multiple deck????

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@dragonball994 I started using this count at single deck in the early 90's and played for 7 years before moving up to six decks in late 90's. Back then, blackjacks at single deck paid 3:2 and these games were everywhere in Nevada. Most single deck games pay 6:5 now, so it is better to play double deck games that pay 3:2. Less decks played, more blackjacks paid.

[Iz7zI]

The more aces used up with negative count, the lower you need to bet? The higher the count with few aces the more we bet right? After every shuffle we start a new count? You double down when you have tens or ace, if I'm correct.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@Iz7zI You've got it mostly right except that basic strategy says that we split aces all the time and never split tens. We always start the count at 0 after the shuffle.

[countplus3]

I ran simulation on Ed Thorpe's 10count and found it having a lower edge than hi/lo?

Parameters:

H17 DAS

1-8 BS

No Ace SC

50% pen

In addition, MIT Team did not bankrupt, the students seperated to form Amphibian Investments.

I will agree 21 the movie was hollywood.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@countplus3 The ace side count is necessary to gain an edge on Thorp's upgraded Ten Count and your computer simulation does not give it justice without it. Julian Braun tried to simulate hi-lo in "Beat The Dealer" and bungled the results by not taking out the 7,8,9's, a mistake that has sent many to the cleaners, including the MIT Strategic Investments team. We should stick to the math instead of faulty computer simulations.

[staypress]

@Moviemakerjjcasino  This 789 business is the stigma for me in CC. I mean to counteract their values of +1 you count the tens as -2 so the only diff is SC the aces to therefore create a balanced system so forgetting about the Aces for a sec the count is the same as the hilo where the 789 are O AND THE 789 CAN ALSO BE GOOD OR BAD FOR EITHER THE DEALER OR PLAYER SO i GUEss they can cancel each other out

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@staypress The JSTAT Count side counts the 8,9's because they cause the dealer to bust more often and our double down wins on 10 or 11 are enhanced.

[staypress]

@Moviemakerjjcasino U don't mention the SC of 8and9 in youre vids?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@staypress The side counting of 8,9's will be in future videos with comparisons to hi-lo. This video upgrades Ed Thorp's Ten Count in the original 1962 "Beat The Dealer" book before the high low count which was published in the revised 1966 edition. Endorsing Thorp's Ten Count and my trashing of high low is a good cause and hope many take the advise offered in my YouTube videos. We are just a mom and pop operation competing against slick casino endorsed card counts to fleece players.

[THEblackjackGOD]

@staypress the effect fo removal for cards 7/8/9 is trivial in contrast to the effects of other cards which is why they are ignored in that system.

Though the effect of 7 removal is favorable while the effect of 9 removal is not, the effect of an 8 being removed has almost zero impact.

If you side count them, it would probibly be possible to make a really complicated playing strategy to increase playing efficiency though it would only be applicable to SD and DD games I woudl imagine

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

@THEblackjackGOD With more 8's and 9's left in the deck, the dealer will bust more often and our double downs on 10/11 will improve. For the hi-lo enthusiast to ignore them is brutal and harmful to our bankrolls. Julian Braun's analysis of the high-low count in Ed Thorp's Beat The Dealer did not remove the 7's,8's, and 9,s. A fatal flaw that has been ignored until now in this video.

[staypress]

@Moviemakerjjcasino yeah come to think of it u r right

[THEblackjackGOD]

WHEN YOU HAVE 7,8,9s in play, you can get hands of 14,15,19,17,and 18 also, these hands are much more common than getting a ten or 11, especially at high counts. Additionally, If you pause the video and read the page where they are talking about the mistake, he says what you woudl expect him to say, and that the simulation yeilded a slight error in figuring index numbers for strategy deviations, not a big deal.

[staypress]

Would you say it is better to play with only several players as obviously the more there is then the less chance of getting blackjacks. Also is this count any good with 6 deck as that is all there is in London town. Lastly I did not hear you mentioning the TC status . . By the way what would the TC be on a +6 if only1 deck remained maybe+6 or +1 ???

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

staypress: A running count of +6 with one deck remaining is a true count of +6. You will get the same amount of blackjacks regardless of the amount of players. But playing one on one, the player and the dealer have an equal chance of receiving blackjacks while we get paid 3:2 on each snapper. Betting big when more blackjacks are likely is good and betting small or leaving with less blackjacks than normal in the decks is our formula for success. Get out of the fog in London and visit Las Vegas

[staypress]

heeh u r right actually I have been 3 times but my mum sort of lives there. Up to now she has ben about 20 times . she likes a spiel(gamble) but also the glitz and shows ,shops etc. By the way about BJ here in London they only do the evens thing if you have a BJ and the dealer has an ace so unfortunately no insurance as such but I still think youre system is gr8 I have tried it at home with some positive results. I will however do the easier counts until I am more confident I think

[nephilas1]

This is the best count you ever going to find period if you are well disciplined and mastered the count.

[staypress]

One more question sir in that what advantage is there to count the tens etc as -2 instead of -1 as in most other systems. Because using this count wouldn't there be less chance in getting into positive territory and therefore less high bets I just don't get it. At the moment I am studying the KO system but I must admit I like you're system but I need to understand its principles better I guess

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

staypress: Go ahead with KO, but don't say you weren't warned. I love my count and sharing some of the 30+ years of my card counting experience here might help some people. The count in the videos is more accurate at identifying blackjack frequencies than KO, is that what the game of blackjack is all about?

[staypress]

IC but I don't think insurance is done much here in London well not at my local casino anyway I mean no one ever seems to do it so the Ace thing is the main deal that is different with you're counting method. The way I look at it the dealer has as much chance of getting an Ace as u when the count is good but I understand the time and a half advantage though but converting to a true count is a pain, but I will try you're count if I lose at the KO cos I bought the book.

[staypress]

Hi I notice you were not converting to a true count is there any reason for this and by the way I like you're voice

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

staypress: I calculate the true count for playing decisions and perfect insurance which require 1/4 conversions

[nephilas1]

Thx for the tips. I think we can always win, it just depend if you want to stop playing while being "up" or be greedy and end up losing all.

[nephilas1]

okay maybe not 100% since I lost count but almost 100% :P

Overall THANK YOU for sharing your J.S.T.A.T. count!!!

Your student, Nephilas.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1: Carry a double deck pack of cards wherever you go and rubberband it. While waiting in lines,watching tv,or stuck in traffic, practice the count to be proficient.The JSTAT count is free for all to learn here and sharing it, is satisfying

We just uploaded a new video called 'Card counting at double deck blackjack' on this Moviemaker Channel, check it out.

[nephilas1]

Love your count!!! Tonight was FINALLY a success after failling twice at the tables.

Failling as in... I tought I was ready but I wasn't so because of that I've lost my money. BUT tonight I was 100% ready and almost double up my money until I lost count because I got too exited and stopped after playing few hands. The true count was +5 with 2 decks remaining! My hand was a double face with a big bet!! Lost the count after that hand but kept playing since I knew the count was still high.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephillas1: I too love my count and have had ups and downs,but have won in the long run. We will not win all the time but with practice ,bankroll,and discipline the long run will kick in. Make sure you practice on your kitchen table and record the results. Bet big with more aces and tens left and small(or leave)with less and stick to this premise for success.

[staypress]

do u think that with this count when the count is positive there would be more tens left than if u had a + count on the KO or hi lo system??

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

staypress: If the deck is ten rich with no aces left, it would be impossible to nail a blackjack. The JSTAT Count in the video identifies the amount of aces left to be married with the tens left. We count aces apart from the tens to get blackjack payoffs of 3:2 which the KO and hi-lo counts ignore.

[staypress]

huhu funnily enough I have done simulation counts with the same cards using the hi lo and ten counts and most of the time the count remains similar except that the aces are sidecounted . quite interesting really but I have decided to push youre count and take youre advice.

[staypress]

I like the fact that 7 thru9 are +1 COS THEN WHEN U GET TO THE POSITIVE COUNTS you know those cads are covered to a degree and there will be more tens left.

I am aware that this is a good count for BJ but as BJ are not too common especially if u are playing with 3 or 4 other players then surely this count is still gr8 if you want more tens etc giving you 19 or 20 etc

[staypress]

@Moviemakerjjcasino But the chance of getting that BJ playing with a 6 deck (all we have in London) and maybe 3 or 4 other players (the norm it seems) is not that common, so SC the Aces I think maybe gives u extra work for nothing cos when the count is high and u don't SC the aces then whatever are left in the decks are lumped with the tens and also we don'have more than 75% Pen here.

I am not knocking youre system but I am just trying to make it as easy as I can and make the most profit.

[staypress]

hi nice video but please tell me why is this a better count than the hi lo thanks

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

staypress: I win with the count in the video because blackjacks frequencies can be predicted and insurance betting is perfect, hi-lo cannot do this.

[sirrisreview]

when I side count the aces I read it like a ratio number of aces: count is this a good idea

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

sirrisreview: An ace should appear every 13 cards and this is how we decide the ratio of aces.

[nephilas1]

can you tell us how you got real good at card counting?? how did you practice ?? is there any specific way that you practice for your count?? and how long have you been practicing in order to "multitask" like talking/acting !counting! at the tables.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1. I first tried card counting in the 80's using the hi-lo count pitched by evil sites like Blackjackinfo. I practiced 100's of thousands of hands at home while watching tv and documented my losses from hi-lo. I used a single deck and experimented with count in the video and documented positive results. In the 90's, I used what I call the JSTAT count and dominated Reno and Lake Tahoe. As a craps dealer in the late 70's, the casino environment didn't bother me at all.

[nephilas1]

Few questions.

Do you get nervous when counting at the tables?

How often you go play at the casinos? if yes what is your average in one night ?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1: I go to casinos about 3 times month and use the count in the video. I don't get nervous counting at the tables because of my 34 years of casino play. In the 90's, I played hours on end until I was barred at New York-New York in Las Vegas and placed in a database with other counters. I won a lot more then but now play under the radar with less than a hour's of action winding up a winner most of the time in the hundreds.

[nephilas1]

?!!?!??! thats like 3 long months. come on it should be easy for a pro to show "the difference in power" plus its the weekend :D

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1. My camera man + computer genius is needed to upload the video on this page. He is currently attending school and won't be free until Easter break. You could also read my San Francisco Blackjack Examiner columns linked on the main page here to read "the difference in power"

[nephilas1]

when are you going to release the next video ?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephillas.Probably will release the next video in April during Easter Break. Probably will compare high-low with the count in the video and show the difference in power.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

Go to blackjackinfo if you desire to be scammed by the weasels there. Get conned into using hi-lo and paying $500for software from a corrupt programmer who couldn't care less if you lost your home or family. Blackjackinfo gives advice how to cheat by recommending peeking at dealers hole cards. JSTAT says to them, FU*K YOU for not allowing him to expose the truth of blackjack on their scam board! My next video will expose the card counting myths these hustlers thrive on.

[nephilas1]

you should make another video of you counting :D

[freaklebindeed]

You a very humble to show us your tricks for free, simply to help us, thank you! I am starting my path at counting cards and you have convinced me to not use Hi-Lo. On a double deck I will surely use your technique. However, what kind of technique do you recommend for a 6 deck? In your other video(with the music "A lil more satisfaction from Elvis") are you using the Jstatii technique on a 6 deck?And last question, I am interested to learn the Hi-Opt II (Hi-Opt 2) for a 6 deck,your opinion plz:)

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

freaklebindeed.I use JSTATII at 6 deck and my maximium bet is with at least a true count of +4 because insurance is taken then. Hi-Opt 2 is good if you use the side counts and the betting is close to my count in the video.

[freaklebindeed]

I will start learning the JSTATII technique, since it's the one you use and seems to be working pretty well in your video! Thx a lot for the advice!

[nephilas1]

is your count stronger for 6-8 decks ? or double deck?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1. My count is stronger at double deck because we will get more blackjacks.

[nephilas1]

what are your thought about the "uston advanced point count" ? is it good bad ?

to complicated ? not worth it ?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1. Ken Uston's book "Million Dollar Blackjack" that contains his APC is recommended.

[nephilas1]

what would be the best position to count cards at the real tables?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas 1. Sitting in the middle, as in the video, is the best position to count cards at double deck.. You are able to "peek" at others cards during insurance decisions and borderline calls like 16v10.

[nephilas1]

thank you . how about when playing versus 6-8 decks instead of double deck?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

nephilas1. 6-8 decks are dealt face up, therefore it doesn't matter where you sit at the table.

[1099residentevil]

so are you saying 2-9 are +1 and 10 is -2 and jack-king= -1 and aces are nothing? comment back. and are you completly sure about this? is it a stronger method?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

1099residentevil. 2-9 are +1 while10 and jack-king are -2. Aces are side counted.

[redverter]

I use high low and find it to be weak myself. So when do u start to double down on an eight vs dealers 4, 5, and 6's....double down on a soft 19 and 20 vs. dealers 4, 5, and 6's, take insurance, split 9's vs. dealers 7 or ace, double down on 10 vs 10 or ace and split 10's vs 5 or 6..so on and so forth.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

redverter. Perfect insurance is at the 1/4 deck level. At 1 /34 left, we need at total of 7 low cards including the ace to wipe out the casino edgs for example. Use common sense for the indices for now. It will take a book to explain it all.

[redverter]

Can u recommend a book? Also, say the count was high enough to take insurance and you hit a blackjack with a dealer's ace up, would u take even money?

[cjpendleton1993]

What is this card counting system called?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

cjpendleton1993. The count is called JSTATII.

[cjpendleton1993]

I cant fins it anywhere, did u develop it?

[Flash1296]

The book is no good. Hi-Lo is a WEAK count.

Every Professional knows that.

The game is tough and the Card Counter's Edge is miniscule, often less than 1% on balance..

Ergo, weak systems aree NOT sufficient to succeed.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

Flash1296 is a pro that agrees with this video. Thanks FLASH1296! All pros don't use hi-lo. Hi-lo is pumped for suckers to dump at major 21 message boards on the internet. Sort of like stocks that are hyped by insiders so they can sell.

[unit4u2]

hey, so when you're keeping track of the Aces, when in a casino, do u use your chips to represent the number of aces that have been played.. or do u keep the number of aces that have been played in your head? Say it's a 6 deck table.

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

unit4u2. The aces are side counted on a chip. The chip rotates clockwise with each ace. 1: 30 with first ace, 3: 00 2nd ace, 4: 30 3rd ace, 6: 00 4th ace, 7: 30 5th ace, 9: 00 6th ace, 10: 30 7th ace, back to 12: 00 8th ace. This for double deck.

At 6 deck, place another chip on top after 8 aces. Start again. Each chip underneath is 8 aces. Add the chips and the current clockwise count for the ace side count.

[tandown1000]

thnx, this will help me in future

[KyoDivine]

ya man, hi-lo is a very basic count, i think the ten count would be kind of hard for beginners to get a hang off. its kinda hard to concentrate when ur at the table and u loose track sometimes, esp at a 6deck game and u have to keep track of the aces. but i do agree that the ten count is far superior as far as gainin more odds

[Sejaynus]

Hi Moviemaker,

I saw your Twitter post about playing BJ at the new Indian Casino outside Sac on Highway 50. I live in Sac. You too?

Do you recommend the original first printing of "Beat the Dealer"?

[Moviemakerjjcasino]

Sejaynus.I went to Red Hawk this week and played the 2 deck game again.Played exactly like in the video.Won a good amount of money.I live in the SF Bay Area and it is a 2 hour drive to Red Hawk.The 1962 "Beat The Dealer"should be "The Book" for everyone. The 1966 revision has mistakes in the high-low count while the original does not include this horrible count.