this was never like this when I went to school, this is bull shit and its not my generation that is doing this. we all have a right to say as we please, this is not right and unfair!
School wants to make my life a living hell! The math teacher screams like he's gonna kill me when i say one word. Freedom of speech is dead in America
Then they get to court and have no clue who they are, how to stand and ask questions, conditionally accept offers, they have not one clue how to deal with the commercial affairs of this world. They have everyone chasing "debt money" ....ooooh your child will makes lots of "money" don't you want them in prison for 12 years?
Then because of our ignorance on debt, courts and commercial law in general, they get everyone to screw themselves economically and we find ourselves in another depression
School is only there for the EXACT purpose to distract children AND parents from learninig how to exercise their rights, take control of their commercial affairs and relationships. They get your children to "follow" directions, "sign" their names without thought, give their "names" without reason...all around leading them to a debt bound fate just like the pied piper aka satan
@Windman490 not really. when she was giving the speech she was saying stuff like this person helped me be who i am today and helped me with my education. then she mentioned god. the after 2 sentences *CLICK*
she was in the middle of issuing a threat and thank goodness she was cut off. what if she had got up there and said that anyone who doesnt worship the god Alvis would be sexually molested, beaten with chains, splashed with molten copper, tarred and feathered, then beheaded? oh wait that is pretty much what she was going to say at least in my scenario there is an end to the punishment. in hers it lasts eternally. No one should ever be told something like that in a public school period.
it does not matter what she says it is good to let people speak then you know who to ignore. what a delicate person you are if you couldnt bare to hear about hades, hell, fire, etc. what a weak i bet you have never held a job.
@aqueenowlbee My Philosophy is self destruction? You must be joking. Christians long for the day that god calls them so that they can ascend to heaven.They literally want the end of the world. unless of course they dont believe in the rapture. in which case they are waiting for the day that they meet death. And Im the self destructive one?
@aqueenowlbee and i think that everyone is missing my point and are trying to argue about freedom of speech, or how im a godless heathen. my firt post was Brittany McComb did not get cut off immediately after saying "lord" once and attempting to move onto the next sentence. She had enough time to describe how god had filled a "void", how his love is something more that we ALL desire. The microphone was cut in the middle of her quoting John 3:16. i just wanted the truth to be known.
in fact. the video that shows that this man is not telling the truth was uploaded by the same person as this video. its the first video in the "suggestions" bar on the right side of the screen.
Brittany McComb did not get cut off immediately after saying "lord" once and attempting to move onto the next sentence. She had enough time to describe how god had filled a "void", how his love is something more that we ALL desire. The microphone was cut in the middle of her quoting John 3:16. Which in a round about way says that if you believe in the christian god you wont die. which alternatively means if you dont you will not be saved.
@Windman490 It doesn't matter WHAT she was saying. There was no hate crime, there was no violation of anyone elses rights. The only violation of anyone's rights was the violation of her First Amendment right.
i disagree. granted she was cut off but we all know how it ends. She was getting ready to say "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." If you are not a christian what that sentence says is that if you dont believe in god (her god) that you will not have everlasting life. which in the christian viewpoint means. DESERVED eternal torture,burning, disembowelment, and many other hideous acts.
@Windman490 Disembowelement and torture isn't anywhere in the Bible. Also, fiery burning is a rough translation of Hell, I think. The majority reference hell as being eternal separation from God. I don't understand what's so bad about saying that God loved the world so much that he sent his only son to be brutally murdered so that the people who hate him MIGHT have a chance at everlasting life. Not because he wants to burn people, but because he wants to SAVE people.
she had the floor. it doesnt matter if she wanted to say the toilet was singing to her. it is freedom of speech. and dont give me that bull about seperation of church and state. read a book for cryin out loud. quit being a dumb liberal. your philosophy is self destruction. idont want to live in your utopia.
The superintendent at our school thinks that we have enough money to put in an elementary school, but not enough to keep some people or upgrade the damned computers running on windows '03.
If I even try telling them how absurd that is, they probably would just laugh and comment on my stupidity as a "minor"
hope people learn to coexist peacefully, religion is important, education is important, but whatever religion a person is we are all brothers and sister.
that girl was trying to speak form the heart and that is the best speech that a successful person should give, because if what we feel is good then there should be no reason to silence it.
@MexicanSavior When what "feels good" can get the school sued, sucking up vital and rare school funding, there is a good reason to silence it.
Free speech and good feelings does not mean it is appropriate to say or do anything (with good feelings or otherwise) any time you want. She was representing the school at a school function, and public school is mandatory for US children. If she had gone to a private religious school, fine to go with that feeling. Mandatory public school, not fine.
@DeadlyChinchilla thats also my point Big Bro IS picking the religeons such as Homosexuality,Global Warming,Socalism,political correctness etc.A boy can show up wearing girls clothes but could someone wear a big crusifix or carry a bible?without freedom of speech we have lost our way.Freedom of religon is garrunteed in the constitition,and the military garrunties no rights an voluntiers should know that.
@davetileguy None fo those things are religions. Your frothings that they are somehow comparible to a speech issue at a public high school is a little ridiculous. Nobody in school is told they can't wear a crucifix or carry a Bible, and why shouldn't guys wear girls clothes? Girls have worn guys clothes for decades now. The only thing your religious minions can't do is take the student body hostage for your religious speeches. Your religious minions can make any speech OUTSIDE the school.
its already over,look at your pathetic neighbor-coworker ,people are fat and happy,the problem is in the schools and cannot be reversed.so so sad the greatest nation in the history of the world reduced to some kind of utopian comune experiment by the dogooders.
took that pain and I became a stoic to not feel that pain school is communism its walls are the iron curtain no one has a say in justice bullies get away with stuff the principal is the primere say somthing bad and boom you are suspended look at it like stalin he would kill all who did the same (kill=punishment) "students of the world unite" -me... be a CAPATALIST! post this everywere" i am an american i go down for all to be free!"-me.that is my pain...
@rjsanford2217 Public school is mandatory in the US. All children, regardless of religious background, are required to attend. Most graduations are even mandatory functions, meaning a religious speech basically takes non-Christian kids hostage, infringing on THEIR rights. Why do you people not get this?
This girl IS free to give her religious speech. Just not at a public school. Free speech does NOT mean you can say anything you want at any time regardless of who you're speaking to.
@DeadlyChinchilla Damm your dense your reaading my words but you just can't assemble them,a framed picture of Che G. on my Sons teachers desk is what? his college pro flashing a pic of GWB in between world Facists and saying oops!like its a joke I think I know what a religon is ,you don't think the Gov is trying to make Mother earth GW the new religon? not literaly OF COURSE LIBTARD if u can't see it then your in trouble it's not my own personal theory! start googling!
@davetileguy Your grammar is so bad I can hardly read your newest frothings. From the part that is readable, what do I start "googling" to catch up with your ramblings? Do I look up Babelfish for "conspiratorial redneck" translation? And your vapid insults are somehow helping your point?
You clearly don't know what a religion is if you think free speech, homosexuality, and a different perspective on Castro are even relevant. Get on topic, or admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
@DeadlyChinchilla because u don't believe in the US constitution does not make me a kook,seperation of church and state is not in the US const.why can't prayer groups meet after school on school grounds but a gay rights club can? is religeon a threat? maybey to power and control,who wants control? u fill in the blank that is not a conspiricy but human nature and fact.
@davetileguy "because u don't believe in the US constitution" A ridiculous comment to make when its clear I understand the C better than you do, since I've made a point about ALL our citizens being protected, rather than just the Christian citizens, as you would apparently have it. Sep of C/S was a foundation for Thomas Jeffersons journals & confirmed in the Treaty of Tripoli. You seriously need to educate yourself on this. You say "fact" as if your opinion is the be-all, end-all of rights.
@DeadlyChinchilla wel libtard I'm typing on my phone but good deflection!lets together look at the title of the vid,read the comments,look at simular vids,google same subject,frame and understand peoples arguments and concerns,realize Socialism is being taught without an opp. viewpoint and religous rights are being trampled nhaaaa just call names its easier Sauls rule #5
@davetileguy I love how you whine about "deflection" when you've yet to explain how ANY of your frothings are relevant to THIS topic, being speech in public schools. Your opinion on a large scale conspiracy is, as I said, irrelevant.
Your idea of understanding the Con is based on looking for videos you LIKE, which are made by people who have no more knowledge base on the Con than you have (ie: low), then draw massive conclusions across religious & political realms. Absurdity at its finest.
@DeadlyChinchilla you started the insults,your still insulting AND deflecting,research where ever u want,u don't know how I choose my vids or what I watch that has to be the MOST idiotic assumption I'v ever heard!The N.E.A. has no agenda? they are the #1 or 2 contrib. to Dem party,u think they throw a dart at their yearly goals?one sided viewpoints are a freedom of speech issue,I am not an eloquent speaker-writer but if u can't understand my poin it's u not me.
@davetileguy Your insistance "no, you!" is also useless. I know full well you choose videos you LIKE, because thats what all conspiracy theorists do. "Look at this video, its all true!" Yet no evidence is ever given. Simply assertions and opinions, as is typical of your sort.
You rant on again about issues that are irrelevant, likely because you have no argument for your point on this topic specifically. You don't like that so you rant on. Not being an eloquent writer doesn't justify idiocy.
@DeadlyChinchilla I don't know what to say to you this vid is one persons view,expierance.I have not claimed anything is "true" but mine and others perspective and viewpoint,your insults just puzle me are they supposed to agravate ?the fact that u STILL won't disscuss 1st ammendment history,cases,philosophy just shows like I said before u are a diciple of Sauls # 5 if 2 adults cannot have a discussion this country is headed for trouble. :-)
@davetileguy You think I've insulted you? I haven't begun.
My comments make my points clear. Your ignoring those points does not negate them. The 1st amendment does NOT mean anything/anywhere/anytime. That you can't understand that is a little sad. Do I have the right to walk into your church and take up an hour talking about science? You'd call the cops and claim I was a disruption to your religious freedoms. So WHY do you think a religious girl should be able to take students hostage?
@davetileguy Philosophy is not law, nor is it the basis for our rights. You're seriously scraping due to a lack of any intelligent comment whatsoever.
"if 2 adults cannot have a discussion this country is headed for trouble" More nonsense. You take a one-on-one and equate it to the degradation of a NATION? Do you have no perspective whatsoever? Your screaming "LIBTARD" might have something to do with the rift, though you'll never admit your fault. Religious zealots rarely ever do.
@DeadlyChinchilla Now I get it! Free speach only works one way,your way! the precedent of saying prayer in school for the past 200 odd years means nothing! the I am truly humbled by your intellect r.e. philosiphy, I'm going to tell my son's Business Law Ethics -Law Professer that he is "dumb an idiot and a religious zelot!" LMFAO!who said I go to church? Oh u did which one do I go to I forgot!
@davetileguy The country is comming to a crossroads I'm not sure how your so unaware,Net Neutrality ,Internet kill switch, I could go on all night but you'd acuse me of lying or off topic I can't even geuss, look up wiki Cass Sunstien ,he's prob your hero,he's th propganda czar,one of his books is DEmocracy and the prob of free speech,and now he's in the white house.
@davetileguy The country is on the same path its been on for its lifespan, during which people like you have constantly ranted that doom was just around the corner. Your evidence is lacking, just as all the rest of them have been found lacking. No doubt you could "go on all night," when the imagination runs away with you it can take a long time to type it all out.
And yes, you *are* still off topic.
I'm pretty much done rehashing this. You clearly have nothing to add but lunacy.
@DeadlyChinchilla So we are either gaining or losing free speech rights in this country,are u not capable of responding R.E. Net Neutrality and Cass Sunstien? do u think the internet needs fucking with?should high schoo kids be suspended for online facebook conversations after school? all free speech issuses.
@davetileguy We've lost no free speech rights, and I have clearly explained why your ranting is generally incorrect. I do not need to explain why your individual problems are irrelevant, either. Your inability to remain on topic is now legendary.
Facebook conversations do not take place physically on school property, nor do they have a mandatory attendance requirement for the whole student body, making it a non-issue and not nearly comparible to the situation found in this video.
@davetileguy Hundreds of kids across the country have been suspended from school for making comments on Facebook from home,I have creativly placed these lawsuits and suspentions online just to screw with you,I am that powerfull! thank you! Cass Sunstien and Net Neutrality ????
@davetileguy Uh huh. *rolls eyes* If a kid is suspended, that means they DID SOMETHING WRONG. Clearly, if a kid is threatening teachers on FaceBook (a common occurance), they can and should be held accountable for such things. Your "creatively placed" FB issues are pointless. If a kid was unjustly suspended, btw, and has a lawsuit out accordingly, he will be found innocent and his record will be reinstated. Do I need to list these on the internet to "pwn" you back? No, I think not.
@davetileguy Btw, I love how this last comment of yours is a complete lack of response whatsoever. Your rantings on my page are also rather funny. You say nothing all the while blabbing at full speed. People tend to ignore those who act like you, since its pretty transparent you have nothing but false rage and made up provocations to support what little point you try to make.
Now, on topic, one last time. How is free speech being taken away from students? To the point or nothing now.
You're right, free speech isn't being taken away from students, seeing as they haven't had freedom of speech within government funded institutions (public schools) for several decades now.
@davetileguy Oye... can you feel me rolling my eyes?
Free speech works the same way for everyone. No religious person can walk onto that stage and give a religious speech when it is a public school and a mandatory event for students to attend. It just so happens that we have a Christian majority in the US, which means they think everything is targeted at them personally, a major logic fail on their part.
Your precedent fails. 200y ago there was no public school system paid for by taxes.
@davetileguy Btw, if you'd bother asking (which I doubt you will since your assumptions are so precious to your concept of reality), I'd mention that I'm not a liberal to begin with, so your petty "libtard" insults are not only indicative of your lack of intelligence and self-important psychological cycling (as well as your level of political polarization), but just plain useless. Just thought I'd let you know.
The comparison of the "religious girl" to the "lack of 1st amendment rights in schools" is a false assumption. And 4 mentions of a specific god in only 3 minutes IS a large portion of that speech. Ever given a 3 minute speech? It goes fast. Religious speech is not protected in PUBLIC schools where students are FORCED to attend. Beyond that smaller point however, is the point that schools are and must remain separate from religious influence. Otherwisee, schools are very much like prisons.
@DeadlyChinchilla If you can't have 1st ammendment rights in school why should people be allowed to be gay in the military? sounds like they'd be prosalatizing.
@davetileguy Wow, this is an older comment... anyhoo...
How is that even comparible? When being gay becomes a religion, let me know. When public schools become voluntary (as our military is), also let me know.
@DeadlyChinchilla 1st Ammendment rights are'nt relevent due to video age? Religeon is most definatly being hamstrung bybig bro and it's obviosly a control issue,my son comes home everyday with stories I cannot comprehend ,such as Sheh Gravera (spelling?) and Castro being folk hero's M.M. G W(which is a theory)and students are not allowed to speak out,it's called 1984!!!
@davetileguy Not the videos age, the age of the comment you responded to, numbnuts...
Gee, knowledge gain since you were in high school. Shocking. Your conspiracy theory is golden, in the sense that its fictional. That, and Castro has nothing to do with this video or our 1st A/rights. Religion is not being "hamstrung." What is being done is taking away the unconstitutional perks religion has enjoyed in the US for the past 30 years. Now we protect ALL students, not just Christian ones.
Wait a minute, in this girl's speech, she mentions "God" once, "the Lord" once and has a "few" bible quotes in a 3-minutes speech, that IS preaching! A 3-minutes speech is nothing, maybe 3-4 paragraphs, and she had at least 4 references to HER religion in that short time. She has every right to believe what she wants, but not to preach it to her fellow students (on school time, anyways, after school is a different matter)
There are no freedoms in school. I had my phone confiscated, was given a Saturday morning detention, and had to pay forty dollars when it rang in class because of a wrong number. When I was in sixth grade, I was sent home from school for playing on a see-saw incorrectly. And these aren't even the worst. Things that are WAY worse happen in other schools to other kids. The public school system is ridiculous and it needs to be completely re-designed.
Excellent video. I usually can't sit through a 7 minute diatribe, but this was interesting enough. I too am for the freedom of speech. What do you think of Holocaust™ denial laws in Germany? They put people in prison for denying the Holocaust™. In the states, we don't do that.
I was pretty much born a reader, i loved books from an early age. In 5th grade we took a reading comprehension test, to see what level of reading we were at, i scored university plus on the test. :p but there was no advanced placements for elementary school, no way to jump grades, so i'd spend everyday reading books i brought into school, which landed me in a lot of trouble, so eventually i'd go to school everyday, and just sleep, or day dream.
We were doing an ABSOLUTELY pointless activity in Skills for 21st century life class. It was reading a 3rd grade reading level book. I said this is stupid. She said do you wish to see the principal. Afraid to get in trouble i said no. I should have said yes :D
they should have you reading at 8th grade lvl in 8th grade and maybe be pushing you to a littel higher. worse has been said to teachers and on one even cared where i went to school
my brother was a 4.0 kid, and when he was in 8th grade he got suspended for protesting for fresh fruit in the school lunches. he wasn't causeing a riot or yelling, simply holding a sign with some friends while in the lunch line saying "we want fresh fruit" he was fighting for heather school food! also when i was in grade school, 5th grade or so i was told i wasn't allowed to read my Stephen king book during our "reading time" the teacher said the book was too advanced.
Yesterday my 10 year old son was suspended for making an off the cuff remark when a new rule was instated. The school imposed a new rule that there will be no talking in the halls or classrooms between classes. My son simply said Thats stupid and got suspended for it. Free speech is dead in public schools.
Atleast in the Soviet Union the schoos taught the children how to read and write and do math. American schools are purposefully churning out a bunch of morons taught to be government slaves. Kids are so stupid nowadays they are barely literate. Its a travesty.
@CodexAlimentarius1 I know how you feel. I'm one of the few teenagers now that reads as a hobby. i have a 12th grade reading level, and i'm actually trying to write a book. it kinda pisses me off that not many teens can read like me. plus my vocabulary is much more advanced than my classmate's vocabularies. it aso pisses me off that some books get banned because of religous extremists and overprotective parents.
also for all these tax hating rich people who seem to comment on here or proly just brain washed poor republicans by rich republicans like rush limbaugh and many other radical religious christians. this is from the pig farmers a bunch of hippes from the 60s but what really stayed with me was "hey help your brother to the left cause someday you may need that help dont be afraid to love"
This is NOT about religion - it's about freedom to think, to be! Clearly, eight years of Bush hasn't taught you a damn thing.
The religious right are a completely separate matter. Being a Christian is NOT about dominance or bullying. I'm agnostic, NOT religious. Your intolerance of religious people - ALL of them! - is akin to labelling all Arabs as terrorists.
I'm sure studies could easily show that socialist, communist and welfare states like Western Europe, China, Cuba and the like do not contribute nearly as much to charity or nonprofits as Americans do. In fact, there's an interesting video from the Canadian Fraser Institute that claims that research shows that Canadians do not contribute a whole lot to charity on average. Europeans and Canadians chide Americans on low voter turnout, but how many of them are that involved in politics otherwise?
And of course, it's not hard to see WHY. If schools actually told people they're individuals, not just a number or statistic in the group, they'd be much more willing to fight against big gov't, big spending and higher taxes. They would never tolerate the welfare state or bogus wars overseas.
It's ironic that elementary school teaches you about "self-esteem" and that "we're all special", but then when you get to higher grades, they just push collectivism at a much more rapid rate.
Individualism is NOT consistent with a generous or caring society. On the contrary, forcing people to accept gov't "charity" and using our tax dollars for purposes we never approved or wanted is bad. It makes us less charitable because we assume that it's gov't's job and that gov't will do it, so we don't have to contribute to charity as much. We already paid our tax dollars for the poor, so people figure, "Why should I burden myself even more?" Americans are the most charitable people.
I can assure you, while a lot of Americans don't vote, we DO make up for it by being heavily involved in the political system. We lobby our leaders. We push certain legislation or oppose it. We call and write our Congressmen. We work on campaigns. We petition. We get involved in interest groups.
Yes, we don't vote much, but Europeans' track record on being involved overall is shoddy. And some states actually FORCE you to vote, which is just atrocious and anti-freedom itself.
@whoo689 thats fucking retarded i would rather have goverment in charge then hoping that you fat people will get off your asses and donate to the poor im mean all i hear from you folk is individulelism you people make me sick what do you people want? if we cant be strong as a nation from within then what the fuck do we have one for the times are changing its not the 16th century its the 21 century and it calls for the old and new ideas. (united we stand divided we fall)
As an individualist and very much an independent person, I HATE having to do "group activities" in school for projects and whatnot. It annoys me to no end. The only time I actually like it is when it's something I couldn't possibly do on my own or get done on time on my own. But that's rare. Most of the time, I can get schoolwork done on my own. I don't need help from other students. Schools promote too much collectivism.
Isn't it hypocritical to say I'm insane for responding to your post when you respond with 3 or 4 posts to my 1? Lying and distorting things? I never said I did not believe in consciousness. You've posed a question that you've deemed cannot be answered by anyone and use it as evidence to support your claim against evolution? Yet another fallacy. Once again, "Evolution does not explain consciousness." is not an argument against evolution.
Its true. I graduate CHS in RI in 2001 and the four years I spent there were hell. The totalitarian administration there had no concept of freedom of speech. I actually got kicked out my sophmore year for writing a poem. In an unrelated incident, I got suspended my freshman year. Immediately upon being confronted with this decision, I asked, "okay, what rights do I have right now?" My princepal replied, "you have the right to sit down and shut up!" I got the decision overturned in an appeal...
This is bullshit. This guys obviously a right wing christian. I owe my whole career to public schooling. What cracks me up is, its ok for republicans to shut off the mic when democrats talk in congress, but if its done in a public school, its the school destroying free speech. If you don't like the schools laws, home school your kids, see how smart they turn out then. Hilarious actually.
Gark50, the guy is not addressing the quality of academic teaching in schools, so your career, and how successful you have been in the corporate-controlled market place, is irrelevant to what is being said. Schools are meant to EDUCATE children and develop them as individuals, NOT brainwash them and turn them into ZOMBIES. It's the one time in our lives when we should have as much freedom as is sensibly possible, and that includes the freedom to express ourselves WITHOUT FEAR!
If by teaching people that the world is not flat, the earth revolves around the sun, the earth is NOT 6,000 years old, comfort does not equal truth, there are 50 states, plate tetonics exist, and that the "theory of evolution" is a scientific theory, not a lamen meaning of "theory", is considered brainwashing and "fear" then what would you purpose that is taught in schools?
I propose kids are taught critical thinking in class, taught to question, taught to understand that newspapers are political, that the news they read is not the whole truth, that people - including scientists! - can have hidden agendas, and that evolution does not explain consciousness.
Mere indoctrination is not education. If you think evolution explains consciousness, read "Purple Haze" by Joseph Levine, a materialist, but an honest one! Science hasn't a clue what consciousness is.
"I purpose kids are taught critical thinking..." You obviously don't support critical thinking because that's what science is; it teaches people to question things, use the scientific method, and not to accept "I know because I have faith" as being a valid answer to a "why?" question.
As far as "Science hasn't a clue what consciousness is." I strongly disagree with you unless you want to go into a semantical argument. Consciousness IS evolution.
Science HASN'T A CLUE about consciousness - FACT! I've read research from a leading neuroscientist, Semir Zeki, at University College London. His research doesn't show what consciousness is. Thirty years ago he said he could explain it. Thirty years later, he still can't! Einstein said, science will NEVER be able to explain the taste of this soup I'm eating. Tell me how matter can be pain, color, sound? Because if you can, you've done what no other scientist has ever done, including Einstein!
Ok first off, whether or not evolution can explain consciousness is a COMPLETE RED HERRING. Evolution DOES NOT have to explain consciousness in order for it still to be true. Second, one neurologist does not have all the answers. Third, taste has to do with chemicals and how we interpret how them, it goes along with sensory input. Also, dont forget according to you, that scientist must have a hidden agenda.
Seems I've been banned from posting. Now you're acting like a religious person NOT a scientist. You have to explain consciousness, you can assume what you want to fit your belief.
You seem to be confusing the physical mechanisms the body uses to detect things with conscious experience. They are not the same! I've read extensively, I'm not talking from ignorance. Joseph Levine is an atheist, has a PhD from Harvard, and even he admits he can't fathom how matter can explain consciousness.
No, I'm saying that whether or not evolution explains consciousness does not matter, in terms of proving/disproving evolution, as is tbd's claim is inferring. I understand they are not the same, the physical mechanism is the way we accumulate the feelings, consciousness is the way interpret these feelings.
Now here's a question for you, at what level do you suppose that living organisms obtained consciousness?
I said nothing about science having a hidden agenda. The only agenda some prominent scientists have is that matter can explain absolutely everything about the nature of reality, and that's a religious belief! All science has explained so far is how particles interact with each other, and the rules of those interactions. Science doesn't even know how those particles move through space. Read quantum theory!
I am tdbwarehouse! Seems I was banned under my other name - dare there be a frank, open discussions, and different views! Shouldn't debate be part of education?
I'm not claiming to understand consciousness. I'm saying trying to explain consciousness in terms of particles is like trying to explain how the electron orbits an atom using Newtonian mechanics! It doesn't work!
Even Einstein could see science was going to have a profound problem with consciousness. Do you think he was stupid?
So if you make the claim that no one can explain consciousness, what is the point of even putting down that science can't explain it?
Money says that with the rate of technological progression due to science, we will be able to someday figure out what consiousness is. I mean why it is there, how it works, etc. Do I think I'll be alive when it happens? Probably not.
Still doesn't change that evolution is a theory (in scientific terms) and it should be taught in every school.
There you go again. Who says we will one day understand consciousness? No progress has been made so far, and you didn't grasp what I said before: ALL SCIENCE HAS EVER DONE is explain how particles interact, and the rules of those interactions. That's it! Progress is based on that fundamental understanding. Science won't explain consciousness. I'm siding with Einstein on this one.
Explain how particles moving about become the color, pain, sound, and taste you experience?
Particles moving about are just particles moving about, it doesn't matter how complex that interaction becomes, it can't turn it something it's not - conscious experience!
There you go again on your red herring. I do not understand how you believe that consciousness has ANYTHING to do with whether or not evolution is true. We know there is gravity even though we DO NOT KNOW what happens in a black hole. Does that mean, since we do not have a certain answer about black holes, they don't exist. Also I'm pretty sure that even though Einstein was one of the greatest physicists we've had, I doubt he would of been able to predict how fast technology would advance.
I didn't say evolution was false. I said it does not explain CONSCIOUSNESS. Evolution is founded on the science of how particles interact; specifically, how they coalesce into larger and larger BODIES.
Gravity was discovered by observing the movement of matter - the legend has it that Newton watched an apple fall from a tree and then put two and two together - the earth and the apple! It's particles moving, or interacting, nothing more.
The subject we're talking about is critical thinking, that education is not mere indoctrination. Sadly, you seem to think it is. Here's a kid who thinks critically, but is sadly bullied by a religious person:
lvmrf85: "Evolution explains consciousness."
Kid: "How does it?"
lvmrf85: "Don't argue! Just repeat after me: evolution explains consciousness."
Here's your problem, you fail to realize the inference of your claim. When you are talking about education and say that you should teach kids critical thinking and not "indoctrination" (or knowledge as everyone else calls it) and make a claim against evolution, the inference of your claim is that you are against the teaching of evolution. Philisophy 101. Also where'd I call you a religious person? I must of missed that.
YOU are not worth talking to because you don't bother to read what I write. You said I cited one source. I mentioned Semir Zeki - and by implication, neuroscientists generally - Joseph Levine, and Albert Einstein.
You want religion destroyed, so you don't want evolution's shortcomings highlighted. This is about your PERSONAL AGENDA, not an interest in education.
I said NOTHING about what subjects should and should not be taught in schools. Nor did I claim to be a religious person.
You claim that there is nothing to explain consciousness, then you claim evolution does not explain consciousness (well duh, if nothing explains consciousness then OF COURSE evolution does not), therefor consciousness is a short coming of evolution?
lvmrf85, try to understand before we both die: I said education is more than mere indoctrination - filling kids heads with facts and theories - it's also about critical thinking. As an example of critical thinking, I said evolution does not explain consciousness - it does not! Critical thinking can be applied to almost every aspect of life and to every subject kids study at school. I didn't intend to start a debate on evolution, consciousness, atheism, or religion.
The thing is, when you purpose that consciousness is an example of critical thinking when talking about evolution, you are suggesting that evolution claims to explain consciousness which we've established it does not. All the science classes that I have taken while going to school have said science only measures things that are tangible and not things like ghosts.
Ghosts? I said nothing about ghosts. If you're going to claim everything must be "tangible", then something tangible must uphold the laws of the universe, enforce them, so to speak. Could you tell me what it is? See, I can make you sound religious, too.
Protons are made of quarks, and over 98% of the mass of a proton is from the energy of the quarks revolving around each other close to the speed of light. Atoms are almost ALL space and ALL energy - that's how tangible reality is!
You're reacting just like a religious person whose faith is contradicted by some fact. Consciousness is very inconvenient for materialists. You can ignore it, sure, but that won't make it go away - nor will it explain it.
Reality is not tangible at all. What is space? How do things move? What is it that makes something exist? Why doesn't everything just disappear? Under quantum theory, the whole physical universe becomes nothing but a cloud of probabalities - the exact opposite of tangible!
Tangible means something you can physically touch. However, you never physically touch anything. The forces between the atoms of your hand and the atoms of the object you are holding stop you from actually, physically, touching it.
To get atoms to actually make contact, requires accelerating them to close to the speed of light, and then colliding them head-on.
So, if you can't physically touch ANYTHING, just how tangible is the reality we perceive?
You're inferring that consciousness is a counterpoint to evolution and that because I point out how fallacious you're argument is you resort to more ad hominems. Just because evolution doesn't explain everything, such as the laws of physics, does not mean that the laws of physics is a counter point to evolution. Resorting to metaphysics will not change the fallacy.
You point out nothing. You lie and distort what I write. What metaphysics? Another lie! I'm not continuing this with you any longer. Every post I make, you respond to, and you won't stop. You're insane!
You're showing people how obsessive atheists are, how they cannot stand anyone to have an opinion that differs from their own, how they MUST make everyone believe what they believe.
I think for myself. That's what critical thinking is about. That's what good education is about.
As I said before, either explain conscousness or shut up. Evolution does not explain consciousness. So explain it!
You're an atheist, and atheists are religious. Your religion tells you that consciousness cannot exist, that only matter exists. CONSCIOUSNESS EXISTS! Explain it, or shut up!
And while you're at it, explain matter, energy, space. No one knows what they actually are. No one knows a damn thing about the true nature of reality. Scientists actually know very, very little.
@TDBWarehouse haha and you know everthing cause of someguys who wrot the bible 30 to 40 years after a so called jesus died for which schoolars cant even agree if he exsisted cmon you fucking egghead.......and dont worry science gains ground more then you obviuosly know while religion hasnt changed or gained any new evidence for its claims thats right claims!!!!!!!
@fattkattz55: where did I claim to be religious? I have never followed any religion - I'm agnostic! But people like you are turning science - or, rather, atheism - into a religion, and that's even worse.
If you can explain conscious experience - seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling pain, feeling hot, feeling cold, and a sense of self - in terms of matter, I'll convert to atheism, too.
If you think you can, read "Purple Haze" by Joseph Levine.
You're like the physicists who wouldn't believe light did NOT travel in ether. It was a wave, they thought, so it must propagate in some kind of substance. No, other scientists said, there is NO ether. This created a paradox.
You're the same, only with consciousness. It exists, so it must be matter. Who says it must be matter? Nature is not beholden to your religious beliefs.
Well, OK, if consciousness is not matter, what is it? I don't know! It's a paradox!
You don't know anything about science. If you did, you'd know how intangible things are at the atomic level, how bizarre nature really is, how no one understands any of it.
Because you know so little science, you think the world looks and behaves how it looks and behaves to your senses. It doesn't!
Particles are NOT tangible. That's why quantum theory is needed. It says you can't know where a particle is, or what it's doing, you only have a probability that it might be somewhere, or a probability that it might do this (e.g. light reflects off clear glass; you can't predict whether a photon will or will not be reflected - it might, it might not). Nature at the level of particles is actually very GHOSTLY.
When you've studied some science, I might consider continuing this "debate".
It's not that you don't have enough information to predict whether a photon will reflect or not - it's that nature uses probability to reflect light. It will reflect back a certain percentage of light based on the thickness of the glass. Nature chooses at random which photons are reflected and which aren't using probability.
Weird? Bizarre? Yes! And it's real science NOT metaphysics!
But you've started a debate, so I'm forced to defend my views. Evolution does not explain consciousness. Why? Imagine a zombie, someone who looks, talks, and acts like a human being, but is NOT conscious - a machine, effectively. Evolution can equally be applied to this zombie. But what if the whole world was made up of zombies, would evolution reveal to us that which we did not know existed - consciousness? No, it would not! We only know about consciousness because we are conscious.
Yes, Einstein was a great physicist, very imaginative, and even he could see science was going to hit a brick wall when it came to consciousness. You can't explain taste in terms of particles moving about - he saw that!
Technology is the application of science, and ALL (hard) sciences are founded on the interaction of particles.
I recommend "Purple Haze" by Joseph Levine. Don't worry, he's an atheist, but very honest. He shows that none of the theories of consciousness explain a damn thing!
Gravity is NOT consciousness. Conscious experience is accessible only by the person having the experience. Black holes, gravity, planets, apples can be seen by others (or their effects can). Consciousness exists, but it's nowhere, you can't find it and observe it, or experiment with it, or do anything.
If you're matter, and nothing else, like a black hole, I can kill you, and it isn't murder - just as destroying a stone isn't murder. You're denying your own existence!
There is no point going on, because, like a religious fanatic, you are closed-minded. We are CONSCIOUS beings. Evolution does not explain what consciousness is or how it is caused. Tell me about the conscious experiences that couldn't compete in the survival of the species? Which conscious experiences were dumped by our species?
Science can't even observe consciousness, so how do you expect it to be understood? Read that book. But you want. Religious people hate thinking.
It's funny you keep calling me close minded and yet all you can do is cite one source almost like it was the bible. You are also consistently trying to draw a conclusion that if evolution can't explain consciousness, then evolution is false. It's horrible fallacious, and you should try not to make such errors in the future. You're also missing my point; gravity exists WHETHER OR NOT it helps define consciousness. Evolution exists WHETHER OR NOT it helps define consciousness.
One source? I mention Joseph Levine because he's honest, because he reviews all the theories of consciousness without letting an agenda get in the way. I also mentioned Semir Zeki, a NEUROSCIENTIST. But I don't think you're willing - or capable - of reading research papers written for scientists. Semir Zeki cannot explain consciousness either. He claims matter CAN explain consciousness. Yet, after 30 years of research, Zeki can't shown how. I also mentioned Albert Einstein.
Look, you're the one obsessing over evolution. You think being intelligent is merely acting like a parrot, spouting what others say. In Albert Einstein's day, a debate could be had, but today, people like you have turned science into a religion, and no debate can be had anymore. All the answers are known or will be known, forget research, forget thinking - JUST BELIEVE! I said evolution doesn't explain consciousness. IT DOESN'T! No one can explain it. Don't accuse me of things I didn't say.
You're a genious. Hooray for blatent contradictions in your arguments. "I mention Joseph Levine because he's honest, because he reviews all the theories of consciousness without letting an agenda get in the way. I also mentioned Semir Zeki, a NEUROSCIENTIST" " You think being intelligent is merely acting like a parrot, spouting what others say."
So once again, why is it that you're pushing this point so hard when it bears no relevance to the point at hand? Try to stay on topic.
Gravity? Consciousness is NOT gravity. What is wrong with you? Do you think? DO YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO THINK? You can't see consciousness in space - not in outer space or inner space. I can't observe consciousness or its effects. I only know it exists because I AM conscious. Whether you are is debatable - it doesn't look like it.
Evolution exists? Evolution is a explanation NOT a phenomenon. It explains the physical, biological body, NOT consciousness.
So you call me close minded, and then tell me that "Science won't explain consciousness. I'm siding with Einstein on this one." "Either explain consciousness or shut up!" There's no answer I could give that you would accept. Way to be a hypocrite.
The point of saying science can't explain consciousness is to counter the religious fanatics who believe matter can explain everything. It clearly can't, and as a conscious being, I have a right to assert my own existence.
How consciousness works? Consciousness isn't mechanical! How does pain work? You FEEL pain - it doesn't move, clunk or whirl!
All science has done is explain how PARTICLES interact. Chemistry, biology, engineering, electronics, are ultimately all about particles.
This has nothing to do with Republican vs Democrat. This has nothing to do with if he's a christian or not. I for one am an Atheist, and I agree fully to what he has to say. I know nothing about his past, but what is important is what this video is trying to show us. And what this video is trying to show us is that our educational system is so focused on regulations, red tape, and keeping us all in line that it's lost sight on what's really important.
Well, when people that are religious call anyone that is not religious a "liberal" it polarizes the debate making it more Democrat v. Republican. Also the "regulations, red tape" is vital for our schools, how else can you ensure that children learn the most truthful information that they can about a subject? If you didn't have the red tape, people would be preaching their version of god and that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Look at Texas.
I live in Texas... And the teachers should stick to the curriculum somewhat, sure, but the schools shouldn't teach their students that it's wrong to speak up for what they think is right. Even if it's wrong, they should still have their right to say whatever they want, and the people with the better idea can speak up for what THEY think is right and know how to give legitimate reasons to back up their case.
Dude, he even said that "if an Athiest says 'I don't beleive in god and that's what is important to me' then that is protected by the first amendment." Start watching at 6:18
That is the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard in a youtube comment, and that's saying something. Nothing in established case law or constitutional scholarship backs up your claim. On the contrary, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled several times that minors/students do have constitutional rights, and that they do not abdicate them simply by entering school grounds or a school function. In summary, you are a moron.
Based on this video, I agree. When I was in the public schools not too long ago, this was teaching me to be a conformist and barely taught about the U.S. Constitution, until my 12th grade of my teaching saying it is a "living, breathing" document.
To Deaunate, children do have rights, regardless how young or old they are. Even though they are minors, if you make them conceal their expressions/speech, then the results could be negative.
And God's plan for each of our lives may not leave us with an impressive and extensive resume, but if we pursue His plan, He promises to fill us. Jeremiah 29:11 says, " 'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future.' "
"This is why Christ died. John 10:10 says He died so we no longer have to reach in vain for the magnificence of the stars and find we always fall short, so we can have life -- and life to the fullest. "Because the fact of the matter remains, man possesses an innate desire to take part in something greater than himself. That something is God's plan. !
"The schools are destroying freedom of speech" ... what this really means is "The schools are refusing to be places to indoctrinate and proselytize the Christian religion"!
They tell her to give a speech to her fellow graduates about what she thinks has gotten her thus far, but yet they tell her she can't talk about god, the lord, or christ... when it is that that she believes has gotten her to this point of her life... although i am not christian, i think that makes no sense because she isn't telling other people to believe in christ or anything like that, but she is telling them what SHE believes and what SHE thinks has gotten her here.
There's a difference between talking about god and trying to convince your audience to convert to Christianity: Here are the parts cut from her speech. If you're being honest with yourself, you will recognize her speech went far beyond talking about god as a force in her life:
"God's love is so great that he gave His only son up .. [mike cuts off] to an excruciating death on a cross so His blood would cover all our shortcomings and provide for us a way to heaven in accepting this grace.
I'm sure if a muslim was up there you would all throw a fit I believe let them all speak or let none of them speak. I was sent to the office for talking about my atheism with my personal friends and people over heard me. I was pissed.
fuck schools and fuck the troops
edwardd6681 2 months ago
@edwardd6681 1st One Agree. 2nd one I abhor. The troops are our brothers. They get recruited right out of high schools and get shot up.
NothingAtAllXD 1 month ago
this was never like this when I went to school, this is bull shit and its not my generation that is doing this. we all have a right to say as we please, this is not right and unfair!
jazztrio2008 3 months ago
School wants to make my life a living hell! The math teacher screams like he's gonna kill me when i say one word. Freedom of speech is dead in America
sparkybigptalkshow 4 months ago 5
Then they get to court and have no clue who they are, how to stand and ask questions, conditionally accept offers, they have not one clue how to deal with the commercial affairs of this world. They have everyone chasing "debt money" ....ooooh your child will makes lots of "money" don't you want them in prison for 12 years?
Then because of our ignorance on debt, courts and commercial law in general, they get everyone to screw themselves economically and we find ourselves in another depression
gladiator1010 5 months ago
People need to watch Dean Clifford lifting the veil interview....great stuff.
Then Chris Pinto documentaries A Lamp in the Dark is realy good one
Also, creditorsincommerce has some good eye opening info, but should be wary of all that is presented, still some really good stuff their though
"We don't have any rights?" More like we never exercise them....
gladiator1010 5 months ago
@gladiator1010
School is only there for the EXACT purpose to distract children AND parents from learninig how to exercise their rights, take control of their commercial affairs and relationships. They get your children to "follow" directions, "sign" their names without thought, give their "names" without reason...all around leading them to a debt bound fate just like the pied piper aka satan
gladiator1010 5 months ago
3:47. the way that he describes what happened is false.
Windman490 6 months ago
@Windman490 not really. when she was giving the speech she was saying stuff like this person helped me be who i am today and helped me with my education. then she mentioned god. the after 2 sentences *CLICK*
ApplesStudios 6 months ago
she was in the middle of issuing a threat and thank goodness she was cut off. what if she had got up there and said that anyone who doesnt worship the god Alvis would be sexually molested, beaten with chains, splashed with molten copper, tarred and feathered, then beheaded? oh wait that is pretty much what she was going to say at least in my scenario there is an end to the punishment. in hers it lasts eternally. No one should ever be told something like that in a public school period.
Windman490 7 months ago
@Windman490
it does not matter what she says it is good to let people speak then you know who to ignore. what a delicate person you are if you couldnt bare to hear about hades, hell, fire, etc. what a weak i bet you have never held a job.
godbless america
aqueenowlbee 6 months ago
@aqueenowlbee My Philosophy is self destruction? You must be joking. Christians long for the day that god calls them so that they can ascend to heaven.They literally want the end of the world. unless of course they dont believe in the rapture. in which case they are waiting for the day that they meet death. And Im the self destructive one?
Windman490 6 months ago
@aqueenowlbee and i think that everyone is missing my point and are trying to argue about freedom of speech, or how im a godless heathen. my firt post was Brittany McComb did not get cut off immediately after saying "lord" once and attempting to move onto the next sentence. She had enough time to describe how god had filled a "void", how his love is something more that we ALL desire. The microphone was cut in the middle of her quoting John 3:16. i just wanted the truth to be known.
Windman490 6 months ago
in fact. the video that shows that this man is not telling the truth was uploaded by the same person as this video. its the first video in the "suggestions" bar on the right side of the screen.
Windman490 8 months ago
search "Brittany McComb Vaedictorian speech" you can exactly what happened.
Windman490 8 months ago
Brittany McComb did not get cut off immediately after saying "lord" once and attempting to move onto the next sentence. She had enough time to describe how god had filled a "void", how his love is something more that we ALL desire. The microphone was cut in the middle of her quoting John 3:16. Which in a round about way says that if you believe in the christian god you wont die. which alternatively means if you dont you will not be saved.
Windman490 8 months ago
@Windman490 proof?
ApplesStudios 8 months ago
@Windman490 It doesn't matter WHAT she was saying. There was no hate crime, there was no violation of anyone elses rights. The only violation of anyone's rights was the violation of her First Amendment right.
Planez4meh 7 months ago
i disagree. granted she was cut off but we all know how it ends. She was getting ready to say "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." If you are not a christian what that sentence says is that if you dont believe in god (her god) that you will not have everlasting life. which in the christian viewpoint means. DESERVED eternal torture,burning, disembowelment, and many other hideous acts.
Windman490 7 months ago
@Windman490 Disembowelement and torture isn't anywhere in the Bible. Also, fiery burning is a rough translation of Hell, I think. The majority reference hell as being eternal separation from God. I don't understand what's so bad about saying that God loved the world so much that he sent his only son to be brutally murdered so that the people who hate him MIGHT have a chance at everlasting life. Not because he wants to burn people, but because he wants to SAVE people.
Planez4meh 7 months ago
@Windman490
she had the floor. it doesnt matter if she wanted to say the toilet was singing to her. it is freedom of speech. and dont give me that bull about seperation of church and state. read a book for cryin out loud. quit being a dumb liberal. your philosophy is self destruction. idont want to live in your utopia.
aqueenowlbee 6 months ago
We have no freedom
We have no rights
We have no minds
We have no feelings
We can't think
We are not human
The new saying for kids around the country
Hell, I've already accepted it.
The superintendent at our school thinks that we have enough money to put in an elementary school, but not enough to keep some people or upgrade the damned computers running on windows '03.
If I even try telling them how absurd that is, they probably would just laugh and comment on my stupidity as a "minor"
KamakazeBanzai 9 months ago
Brittany McComb is a liar. She promised to read the approved speech. Isn't lying a sin, Brittany?
Feneter 9 months ago
hope people learn to coexist peacefully, religion is important, education is important, but whatever religion a person is we are all brothers and sister.
that girl was trying to speak form the heart and that is the best speech that a successful person should give, because if what we feel is good then there should be no reason to silence it.
MexicanSavior 1 year ago
@MexicanSavior When what "feels good" can get the school sued, sucking up vital and rare school funding, there is a good reason to silence it.
Free speech and good feelings does not mean it is appropriate to say or do anything (with good feelings or otherwise) any time you want. She was representing the school at a school function, and public school is mandatory for US children. If she had gone to a private religious school, fine to go with that feeling. Mandatory public school, not fine.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla thats also my point Big Bro IS picking the religeons such as Homosexuality,Global Warming,Socalism,political correctness etc.A boy can show up wearing girls clothes but could someone wear a big crusifix or carry a bible?without freedom of speech we have lost our way.Freedom of religon is garrunteed in the constitition,and the military garrunties no rights an voluntiers should know that.
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy None fo those things are religions. Your frothings that they are somehow comparible to a speech issue at a public high school is a little ridiculous. Nobody in school is told they can't wear a crucifix or carry a Bible, and why shouldn't guys wear girls clothes? Girls have worn guys clothes for decades now. The only thing your religious minions can't do is take the student body hostage for your religious speeches. Your religious minions can make any speech OUTSIDE the school.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
its already over,look at your pathetic neighbor-coworker ,people are fat and happy,the problem is in the schools and cannot be reversed.so so sad the greatest nation in the history of the world reduced to some kind of utopian comune experiment by the dogooders.
davetileguy 1 year ago
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took that pain and I became a stoic to not feel that pain school is communism its walls are the iron curtain no one has a say in justice bullies get away with stuff the principal is the primere say somthing bad and boom you are suspended look at it like stalin he would kill all who did the same (kill=punishment) "students of the world unite" -me... be a CAPATALIST! post this everywere" i am an american i go down for all to be free!"-me.that is my pain...
legofanguyvid 1 year ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. Stand up, fight back!
rjsanford2217 1 year ago
@rjsanford2217 Public school is mandatory in the US. All children, regardless of religious background, are required to attend. Most graduations are even mandatory functions, meaning a religious speech basically takes non-Christian kids hostage, infringing on THEIR rights. Why do you people not get this?
This girl IS free to give her religious speech. Just not at a public school. Free speech does NOT mean you can say anything you want at any time regardless of who you're speaking to.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla Damm your dense your reaading my words but you just can't assemble them,a framed picture of Che G. on my Sons teachers desk is what? his college pro flashing a pic of GWB in between world Facists and saying oops!like its a joke I think I know what a religon is ,you don't think the Gov is trying to make Mother earth GW the new religon? not literaly OF COURSE LIBTARD if u can't see it then your in trouble it's not my own personal theory! start googling!
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy Your grammar is so bad I can hardly read your newest frothings. From the part that is readable, what do I start "googling" to catch up with your ramblings? Do I look up Babelfish for "conspiratorial redneck" translation? And your vapid insults are somehow helping your point?
You clearly don't know what a religion is if you think free speech, homosexuality, and a different perspective on Castro are even relevant. Get on topic, or admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla because u don't believe in the US constitution does not make me a kook,seperation of church and state is not in the US const.why can't prayer groups meet after school on school grounds but a gay rights club can? is religeon a threat? maybey to power and control,who wants control? u fill in the blank that is not a conspiricy but human nature and fact.
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy "because u don't believe in the US constitution" A ridiculous comment to make when its clear I understand the C better than you do, since I've made a point about ALL our citizens being protected, rather than just the Christian citizens, as you would apparently have it. Sep of C/S was a foundation for Thomas Jeffersons journals & confirmed in the Treaty of Tripoli. You seriously need to educate yourself on this. You say "fact" as if your opinion is the be-all, end-all of rights.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla wel libtard I'm typing on my phone but good deflection!lets together look at the title of the vid,read the comments,look at simular vids,google same subject,frame and understand peoples arguments and concerns,realize Socialism is being taught without an opp. viewpoint and religous rights are being trampled nhaaaa just call names its easier Sauls rule #5
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy I love how you whine about "deflection" when you've yet to explain how ANY of your frothings are relevant to THIS topic, being speech in public schools. Your opinion on a large scale conspiracy is, as I said, irrelevant.
Your idea of understanding the Con is based on looking for videos you LIKE, which are made by people who have no more knowledge base on the Con than you have (ie: low), then draw massive conclusions across religious & political realms. Absurdity at its finest.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla you started the insults,your still insulting AND deflecting,research where ever u want,u don't know how I choose my vids or what I watch that has to be the MOST idiotic assumption I'v ever heard!The N.E.A. has no agenda? they are the #1 or 2 contrib. to Dem party,u think they throw a dart at their yearly goals?one sided viewpoints are a freedom of speech issue,I am not an eloquent speaker-writer but if u can't understand my poin it's u not me.
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy Your insistance "no, you!" is also useless. I know full well you choose videos you LIKE, because thats what all conspiracy theorists do. "Look at this video, its all true!" Yet no evidence is ever given. Simply assertions and opinions, as is typical of your sort.
You rant on again about issues that are irrelevant, likely because you have no argument for your point on this topic specifically. You don't like that so you rant on. Not being an eloquent writer doesn't justify idiocy.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla I don't know what to say to you this vid is one persons view,expierance.I have not claimed anything is "true" but mine and others perspective and viewpoint,your insults just puzle me are they supposed to agravate ?the fact that u STILL won't disscuss 1st ammendment history,cases,philosophy just shows like I said before u are a diciple of Sauls # 5 if 2 adults cannot have a discussion this country is headed for trouble. :-)
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy You think I've insulted you? I haven't begun.
My comments make my points clear. Your ignoring those points does not negate them. The 1st amendment does NOT mean anything/anywhere/anytime. That you can't understand that is a little sad. Do I have the right to walk into your church and take up an hour talking about science? You'd call the cops and claim I was a disruption to your religious freedoms. So WHY do you think a religious girl should be able to take students hostage?
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@davetileguy Philosophy is not law, nor is it the basis for our rights. You're seriously scraping due to a lack of any intelligent comment whatsoever.
"if 2 adults cannot have a discussion this country is headed for trouble" More nonsense. You take a one-on-one and equate it to the degradation of a NATION? Do you have no perspective whatsoever? Your screaming "LIBTARD" might have something to do with the rift, though you'll never admit your fault. Religious zealots rarely ever do.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla Now I get it! Free speach only works one way,your way! the precedent of saying prayer in school for the past 200 odd years means nothing! the I am truly humbled by your intellect r.e. philosiphy, I'm going to tell my son's Business Law Ethics -Law Professer that he is "dumb an idiot and a religious zelot!" LMFAO!who said I go to church? Oh u did which one do I go to I forgot!
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy The country is comming to a crossroads I'm not sure how your so unaware,Net Neutrality ,Internet kill switch, I could go on all night but you'd acuse me of lying or off topic I can't even geuss, look up wiki Cass Sunstien ,he's prob your hero,he's th propganda czar,one of his books is DEmocracy and the prob of free speech,and now he's in the white house.
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy The country is on the same path its been on for its lifespan, during which people like you have constantly ranted that doom was just around the corner. Your evidence is lacking, just as all the rest of them have been found lacking. No doubt you could "go on all night," when the imagination runs away with you it can take a long time to type it all out.
And yes, you *are* still off topic.
I'm pretty much done rehashing this. You clearly have nothing to add but lunacy.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla So we are either gaining or losing free speech rights in this country,are u not capable of responding R.E. Net Neutrality and Cass Sunstien? do u think the internet needs fucking with?should high schoo kids be suspended for online facebook conversations after school? all free speech issuses.
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy We've lost no free speech rights, and I have clearly explained why your ranting is generally incorrect. I do not need to explain why your individual problems are irrelevant, either. Your inability to remain on topic is now legendary.
Facebook conversations do not take place physically on school property, nor do they have a mandatory attendance requirement for the whole student body, making it a non-issue and not nearly comparible to the situation found in this video.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@davetileguy Hundreds of kids across the country have been suspended from school for making comments on Facebook from home,I have creativly placed these lawsuits and suspentions online just to screw with you,I am that powerfull! thank you! Cass Sunstien and Net Neutrality ????
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy Uh huh. *rolls eyes* If a kid is suspended, that means they DID SOMETHING WRONG. Clearly, if a kid is threatening teachers on FaceBook (a common occurance), they can and should be held accountable for such things. Your "creatively placed" FB issues are pointless. If a kid was unjustly suspended, btw, and has a lawsuit out accordingly, he will be found innocent and his record will be reinstated. Do I need to list these on the internet to "pwn" you back? No, I think not.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@davetileguy Btw, I love how this last comment of yours is a complete lack of response whatsoever. Your rantings on my page are also rather funny. You say nothing all the while blabbing at full speed. People tend to ignore those who act like you, since its pretty transparent you have nothing but false rage and made up provocations to support what little point you try to make.
Now, on topic, one last time. How is free speech being taken away from students? To the point or nothing now.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla
You're right, free speech isn't being taken away from students, seeing as they haven't had freedom of speech within government funded institutions (public schools) for several decades now.
HeroOfChristArchives 9 months ago
@davetileguy Oye... can you feel me rolling my eyes?
Free speech works the same way for everyone. No religious person can walk onto that stage and give a religious speech when it is a public school and a mandatory event for students to attend. It just so happens that we have a Christian majority in the US, which means they think everything is targeted at them personally, a major logic fail on their part.
Your precedent fails. 200y ago there was no public school system paid for by taxes.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@davetileguy Btw, if you'd bother asking (which I doubt you will since your assumptions are so precious to your concept of reality), I'd mention that I'm not a liberal to begin with, so your petty "libtard" insults are not only indicative of your lack of intelligence and self-important psychological cycling (as well as your level of political polarization), but just plain useless. Just thought I'd let you know.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
we are not a democracy
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
The comparison of the "religious girl" to the "lack of 1st amendment rights in schools" is a false assumption. And 4 mentions of a specific god in only 3 minutes IS a large portion of that speech. Ever given a 3 minute speech? It goes fast. Religious speech is not protected in PUBLIC schools where students are FORCED to attend. Beyond that smaller point however, is the point that schools are and must remain separate from religious influence. Otherwisee, schools are very much like prisons.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla If you can't have 1st ammendment rights in school why should people be allowed to be gay in the military? sounds like they'd be prosalatizing.
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy Wow, this is an older comment... anyhoo...
How is that even comparible? When being gay becomes a religion, let me know. When public schools become voluntary (as our military is), also let me know.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
@DeadlyChinchilla 1st Ammendment rights are'nt relevent due to video age? Religeon is most definatly being hamstrung bybig bro and it's obviosly a control issue,my son comes home everyday with stories I cannot comprehend ,such as Sheh Gravera (spelling?) and Castro being folk hero's M.M. G W(which is a theory)and students are not allowed to speak out,it's called 1984!!!
davetileguy 1 year ago
@davetileguy Not the videos age, the age of the comment you responded to, numbnuts...
Gee, knowledge gain since you were in high school. Shocking. Your conspiracy theory is golden, in the sense that its fictional. That, and Castro has nothing to do with this video or our 1st A/rights. Religion is not being "hamstrung." What is being done is taking away the unconstitutional perks religion has enjoyed in the US for the past 30 years. Now we protect ALL students, not just Christian ones.
DeadlyChinchilla 1 year ago
Wait a minute, in this girl's speech, she mentions "God" once, "the Lord" once and has a "few" bible quotes in a 3-minutes speech, that IS preaching! A 3-minutes speech is nothing, maybe 3-4 paragraphs, and she had at least 4 references to HER religion in that short time. She has every right to believe what she wants, but not to preach it to her fellow students (on school time, anyways, after school is a different matter)
wendighoul 1 year ago 3
@wendighoul she is probably just saying how god helped her, im an atheist but there is not limit to freedom of speech except hate speech.
ApplesStudios 8 months ago
There are no freedoms in school. I had my phone confiscated, was given a Saturday morning detention, and had to pay forty dollars when it rang in class because of a wrong number. When I was in sixth grade, I was sent home from school for playing on a see-saw incorrectly. And these aren't even the worst. Things that are WAY worse happen in other schools to other kids. The public school system is ridiculous and it needs to be completely re-designed.
Jarut195 1 year ago
@Jarut195 Maybe you should've turned off your phone before class?
wendighoul 1 year ago
if i was to give a school speech and they unplugged the mic, i wouldnt stop id just talk louder and scream it!
NickBFilms 1 year ago 2
This school must have lawyers slicker than eals if they can violate 1st ammendment rights and win in court.
br00k39 1 year ago
Excellent video. I usually can't sit through a 7 minute diatribe, but this was interesting enough. I too am for the freedom of speech. What do you think of Holocaust™ denial laws in Germany? They put people in prison for denying the Holocaust™. In the states, we don't do that.
IndisputableAttitude 1 year ago
I was pretty much born a reader, i loved books from an early age. In 5th grade we took a reading comprehension test, to see what level of reading we were at, i scored university plus on the test. :p but there was no advanced placements for elementary school, no way to jump grades, so i'd spend everyday reading books i brought into school, which landed me in a lot of trouble, so eventually i'd go to school everyday, and just sleep, or day dream.
GhostInTheShell29 1 year ago
Im in 8th grade mind you.
slapsh0t101 1 year ago
We were doing an ABSOLUTELY pointless activity in Skills for 21st century life class. It was reading a 3rd grade reading level book. I said this is stupid. She said do you wish to see the principal. Afraid to get in trouble i said no. I should have said yes :D
slapsh0t101 1 year ago
@slapsh0t101
they should have you reading at 8th grade lvl in 8th grade and maybe be pushing you to a littel higher. worse has been said to teachers and on one even cared where i went to school
kokofan50 1 year ago
my brother was a 4.0 kid, and when he was in 8th grade he got suspended for protesting for fresh fruit in the school lunches. he wasn't causeing a riot or yelling, simply holding a sign with some friends while in the lunch line saying "we want fresh fruit" he was fighting for heather school food! also when i was in grade school, 5th grade or so i was told i wasn't allowed to read my Stephen king book during our "reading time" the teacher said the book was too advanced.
chriscougar86 1 year ago
Yesterday my 10 year old son was suspended for making an off the cuff remark when a new rule was instated. The school imposed a new rule that there will be no talking in the halls or classrooms between classes. My son simply said Thats stupid and got suspended for it. Free speech is dead in public schools.
BlackDogSociety 2 years ago 24
@BlackDogSociety i would sue the school
yaybitch123 1 year ago
@BlackDogSociety if he said it in spanish he would be given a gold star,you tube george soros
oiyabastard 9 months ago
@BlackDogSociety Whoever made that rule should be banished from this country for violating the very values they swore to teach about.
zcm007attack 8 months ago
@BlackDogSociety that is ridiculous
TheTravelfool 3 months ago
Atleast in the Soviet Union the schoos taught the children how to read and write and do math. American schools are purposefully churning out a bunch of morons taught to be government slaves. Kids are so stupid nowadays they are barely literate. Its a travesty.
CodexAlimentarius1 2 years ago 2
@CodexAlimentarius1 I know how you feel. I'm one of the few teenagers now that reads as a hobby. i have a 12th grade reading level, and i'm actually trying to write a book. it kinda pisses me off that not many teens can read like me. plus my vocabulary is much more advanced than my classmate's vocabularies. it aso pisses me off that some books get banned because of religous extremists and overprotective parents.
Drthunder11 2 years ago
End the public school system.
End the federal reserve system.
End IRS
End department of education.
End department of Agriculture.
End preemptive wars
End the drug war.
Constitution. Gun. Gold.
emeihongshen 2 years ago 14
@emeihongshen
THE CONSTITUTION HURP DURP!!! The Constitution is a sacred cow.
QuantumMaths 10 months ago
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@emeihongshen ...and Ron Paul 2012
liOVERLOADil 3 months ago
also for all these tax hating rich people who seem to comment on here or proly just brain washed poor republicans by rich republicans like rush limbaugh and many other radical religious christians. this is from the pig farmers a bunch of hippes from the 60s but what really stayed with me was "hey help your brother to the left cause someday you may need that help dont be afraid to love"
fattkattz55 2 years ago
This is NOT about religion - it's about freedom to think, to be! Clearly, eight years of Bush hasn't taught you a damn thing.
The religious right are a completely separate matter. Being a Christian is NOT about dominance or bullying. I'm agnostic, NOT religious. Your intolerance of religious people - ALL of them! - is akin to labelling all Arabs as terrorists.
America, the land of the imprisoned!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago 2
I'm sure studies could easily show that socialist, communist and welfare states like Western Europe, China, Cuba and the like do not contribute nearly as much to charity or nonprofits as Americans do. In fact, there's an interesting video from the Canadian Fraser Institute that claims that research shows that Canadians do not contribute a whole lot to charity on average. Europeans and Canadians chide Americans on low voter turnout, but how many of them are that involved in politics otherwise?
whoo689 2 years ago
And of course, it's not hard to see WHY. If schools actually told people they're individuals, not just a number or statistic in the group, they'd be much more willing to fight against big gov't, big spending and higher taxes. They would never tolerate the welfare state or bogus wars overseas.
It's ironic that elementary school teaches you about "self-esteem" and that "we're all special", but then when you get to higher grades, they just push collectivism at a much more rapid rate.
whoo689 2 years ago
Individualism is NOT consistent with a generous or caring society. On the contrary, forcing people to accept gov't "charity" and using our tax dollars for purposes we never approved or wanted is bad. It makes us less charitable because we assume that it's gov't's job and that gov't will do it, so we don't have to contribute to charity as much. We already paid our tax dollars for the poor, so people figure, "Why should I burden myself even more?" Americans are the most charitable people.
whoo689 2 years ago
Err, I mean, not inconsistent. my bad.
whoo689 2 years ago
I can assure you, while a lot of Americans don't vote, we DO make up for it by being heavily involved in the political system. We lobby our leaders. We push certain legislation or oppose it. We call and write our Congressmen. We work on campaigns. We petition. We get involved in interest groups.
Yes, we don't vote much, but Europeans' track record on being involved overall is shoddy. And some states actually FORCE you to vote, which is just atrocious and anti-freedom itself.
whoo689 2 years ago
@whoo689 thats fucking retarded i would rather have goverment in charge then hoping that you fat people will get off your asses and donate to the poor im mean all i hear from you folk is individulelism you people make me sick what do you people want? if we cant be strong as a nation from within then what the fuck do we have one for the times are changing its not the 16th century its the 21 century and it calls for the old and new ideas. (united we stand divided we fall)
fattkattz55 2 years ago
As an individualist and very much an independent person, I HATE having to do "group activities" in school for projects and whatnot. It annoys me to no end. The only time I actually like it is when it's something I couldn't possibly do on my own or get done on time on my own. But that's rare. Most of the time, I can get schoolwork done on my own. I don't need help from other students. Schools promote too much collectivism.
I'm currently a senior at Mizzou btw.
whoo689 2 years ago
Isn't it hypocritical to say I'm insane for responding to your post when you respond with 3 or 4 posts to my 1? Lying and distorting things? I never said I did not believe in consciousness. You've posed a question that you've deemed cannot be answered by anyone and use it as evidence to support your claim against evolution? Yet another fallacy. Once again, "Evolution does not explain consciousness." is not an argument against evolution.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
teachers are commies
zamrok73 2 years ago
Its true. I graduate CHS in RI in 2001 and the four years I spent there were hell. The totalitarian administration there had no concept of freedom of speech. I actually got kicked out my sophmore year for writing a poem. In an unrelated incident, I got suspended my freshman year. Immediately upon being confronted with this decision, I asked, "okay, what rights do I have right now?" My princepal replied, "you have the right to sit down and shut up!" I got the decision overturned in an appeal...
jonfelice001 2 years ago
Something tells me if I went up there and starting proclaiming "There is no god" you wouldn't be so fast to protect my free speech.
sorienor 2 years ago 2
I agreed with up to the part about religion, separation of church and state
fingersticks74 2 years ago
This is bullshit. This guys obviously a right wing christian. I owe my whole career to public schooling. What cracks me up is, its ok for republicans to shut off the mic when democrats talk in congress, but if its done in a public school, its the school destroying free speech. If you don't like the schools laws, home school your kids, see how smart they turn out then. Hilarious actually.
Gark50 2 years ago
Gark50, the guy is not addressing the quality of academic teaching in schools, so your career, and how successful you have been in the corporate-controlled market place, is irrelevant to what is being said. Schools are meant to EDUCATE children and develop them as individuals, NOT brainwash them and turn them into ZOMBIES. It's the one time in our lives when we should have as much freedom as is sensibly possible, and that includes the freedom to express ourselves WITHOUT FEAR!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
If by teaching people that the world is not flat, the earth revolves around the sun, the earth is NOT 6,000 years old, comfort does not equal truth, there are 50 states, plate tetonics exist, and that the "theory of evolution" is a scientific theory, not a lamen meaning of "theory", is considered brainwashing and "fear" then what would you purpose that is taught in schools?
lvmrf85 2 years ago
I propose kids are taught critical thinking in class, taught to question, taught to understand that newspapers are political, that the news they read is not the whole truth, that people - including scientists! - can have hidden agendas, and that evolution does not explain consciousness.
Mere indoctrination is not education. If you think evolution explains consciousness, read "Purple Haze" by Joseph Levine, a materialist, but an honest one! Science hasn't a clue what consciousness is.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
"I purpose kids are taught critical thinking..." You obviously don't support critical thinking because that's what science is; it teaches people to question things, use the scientific method, and not to accept "I know because I have faith" as being a valid answer to a "why?" question.
As far as "Science hasn't a clue what consciousness is." I strongly disagree with you unless you want to go into a semantical argument. Consciousness IS evolution.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
Science HASN'T A CLUE about consciousness - FACT! I've read research from a leading neuroscientist, Semir Zeki, at University College London. His research doesn't show what consciousness is. Thirty years ago he said he could explain it. Thirty years later, he still can't! Einstein said, science will NEVER be able to explain the taste of this soup I'm eating. Tell me how matter can be pain, color, sound? Because if you can, you've done what no other scientist has ever done, including Einstein!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
Ok first off, whether or not evolution can explain consciousness is a COMPLETE RED HERRING. Evolution DOES NOT have to explain consciousness in order for it still to be true. Second, one neurologist does not have all the answers. Third, taste has to do with chemicals and how we interpret how them, it goes along with sensory input. Also, dont forget according to you, that scientist must have a hidden agenda.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
Seems I've been banned from posting. Now you're acting like a religious person NOT a scientist. You have to explain consciousness, you can assume what you want to fit your belief.
You seem to be confusing the physical mechanisms the body uses to detect things with conscious experience. They are not the same! I've read extensively, I'm not talking from ignorance. Joseph Levine is an atheist, has a PhD from Harvard, and even he admits he can't fathom how matter can explain consciousness.
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
No, I'm saying that whether or not evolution explains consciousness does not matter, in terms of proving/disproving evolution, as is tbd's claim is inferring. I understand they are not the same, the physical mechanism is the way we accumulate the feelings, consciousness is the way interpret these feelings.
Now here's a question for you, at what level do you suppose that living organisms obtained consciousness?
lvmrf85 2 years ago
I said nothing about science having a hidden agenda. The only agenda some prominent scientists have is that matter can explain absolutely everything about the nature of reality, and that's a religious belief! All science has explained so far is how particles interact with each other, and the rules of those interactions. Science doesn't even know how those particles move through space. Read quantum theory!
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
I know you said nothing about science having a hidden agenda, tdbwarehouse did.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
I am tdbwarehouse! Seems I was banned under my other name - dare there be a frank, open discussions, and different views! Shouldn't debate be part of education?
I'm not claiming to understand consciousness. I'm saying trying to explain consciousness in terms of particles is like trying to explain how the electron orbits an atom using Newtonian mechanics! It doesn't work!
Even Einstein could see science was going to have a profound problem with consciousness. Do you think he was stupid?
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
So if you make the claim that no one can explain consciousness, what is the point of even putting down that science can't explain it?
Money says that with the rate of technological progression due to science, we will be able to someday figure out what consiousness is. I mean why it is there, how it works, etc. Do I think I'll be alive when it happens? Probably not.
Still doesn't change that evolution is a theory (in scientific terms) and it should be taught in every school.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
There you go again. Who says we will one day understand consciousness? No progress has been made so far, and you didn't grasp what I said before: ALL SCIENCE HAS EVER DONE is explain how particles interact, and the rules of those interactions. That's it! Progress is based on that fundamental understanding. Science won't explain consciousness. I'm siding with Einstein on this one.
Explain how particles moving about become the color, pain, sound, and taste you experience?
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
Particles moving about are just particles moving about, it doesn't matter how complex that interaction becomes, it can't turn it something it's not - conscious experience!
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
There you go again on your red herring. I do not understand how you believe that consciousness has ANYTHING to do with whether or not evolution is true. We know there is gravity even though we DO NOT KNOW what happens in a black hole. Does that mean, since we do not have a certain answer about black holes, they don't exist. Also I'm pretty sure that even though Einstein was one of the greatest physicists we've had, I doubt he would of been able to predict how fast technology would advance.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
I didn't say evolution was false. I said it does not explain CONSCIOUSNESS. Evolution is founded on the science of how particles interact; specifically, how they coalesce into larger and larger BODIES.
Gravity was discovered by observing the movement of matter - the legend has it that Newton watched an apple fall from a tree and then put two and two together - the earth and the apple! It's particles moving, or interacting, nothing more.
Black holes? They are aggregations of particles!
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
Correction: not "BODIES", but "BIOLOGICAL BODIES".
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
So what's your point then? Why even bring up consciousness if it bears no relevance to the subject we are talking about?
lvmrf85 2 years ago
The subject we're talking about is critical thinking, that education is not mere indoctrination. Sadly, you seem to think it is. Here's a kid who thinks critically, but is sadly bullied by a religious person:
lvmrf85: "Evolution explains consciousness."
Kid: "How does it?"
lvmrf85: "Don't argue! Just repeat after me: evolution explains consciousness."
Kid: "Evolution explains consciousness."
lvmrf85: "Good, you pass with grade A."
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
That's funny.
Kid: "Why shouldn't we be taught evolution in the classroom?"
TDBWarehouse: "Because it doesn't explain consciousness"
Kid: "What does?"
TDBWarehouse: "Nothing does"
Kid: "So, why shouldn't we teach evolution in the classroom?"
TDBWarehouse: "DO YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO THINK, I'VE TOLD YOU EVOLUTION DOESN'T EXPLAIN CONSCIOUSNESS"
Kid: "But..."
TDBWarehouse: "YOU'RE NOT WORTH TALKING TO, YOU'RE A CLOSE MINDED RELIGIOUS FANATIC."
lvmrf85 2 years ago
You seem to have severe learning AND comprehension difficulties. Where in any of my posts did I say evolution should NOT be taught?
I said education should be about critical thinking, not mere indoctrination.
You are acting just like those you condemn: you lie, you refuse to engage in intelligent debate, you distort science.
School clearly failed you!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
Here's your problem, you fail to realize the inference of your claim. When you are talking about education and say that you should teach kids critical thinking and not "indoctrination" (or knowledge as everyone else calls it) and make a claim against evolution, the inference of your claim is that you are against the teaching of evolution. Philisophy 101. Also where'd I call you a religious person? I must of missed that.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
YOU are not worth talking to because you don't bother to read what I write. You said I cited one source. I mentioned Semir Zeki - and by implication, neuroscientists generally - Joseph Levine, and Albert Einstein.
You want religion destroyed, so you don't want evolution's shortcomings highlighted. This is about your PERSONAL AGENDA, not an interest in education.
I said NOTHING about what subjects should and should not be taught in schools. Nor did I claim to be a religious person.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
You claim that there is nothing to explain consciousness, then you claim evolution does not explain consciousness (well duh, if nothing explains consciousness then OF COURSE evolution does not), therefor consciousness is a short coming of evolution?
lvmrf85 2 years ago
lvmrf85, try to understand before we both die: I said education is more than mere indoctrination - filling kids heads with facts and theories - it's also about critical thinking. As an example of critical thinking, I said evolution does not explain consciousness - it does not! Critical thinking can be applied to almost every aspect of life and to every subject kids study at school. I didn't intend to start a debate on evolution, consciousness, atheism, or religion.
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lvmrf85 2 years ago
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The thing is, when you purpose that consciousness is an example of critical thinking when talking about evolution, you are suggesting that evolution claims to explain consciousness which we've established it does not. All the science classes that I have taken while going to school have said science only measures things that are tangible and not things like ghosts.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
Ghosts? I said nothing about ghosts. If you're going to claim everything must be "tangible", then something tangible must uphold the laws of the universe, enforce them, so to speak. Could you tell me what it is? See, I can make you sound religious, too.
Protons are made of quarks, and over 98% of the mass of a proton is from the energy of the quarks revolving around each other close to the speed of light. Atoms are almost ALL space and ALL energy - that's how tangible reality is!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
You're reacting just like a religious person whose faith is contradicted by some fact. Consciousness is very inconvenient for materialists. You can ignore it, sure, but that won't make it go away - nor will it explain it.
Reality is not tangible at all. What is space? How do things move? What is it that makes something exist? Why doesn't everything just disappear? Under quantum theory, the whole physical universe becomes nothing but a cloud of probabalities - the exact opposite of tangible!
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lvmrf85 2 years ago
Tangible means something you can physically touch. However, you never physically touch anything. The forces between the atoms of your hand and the atoms of the object you are holding stop you from actually, physically, touching it.
To get atoms to actually make contact, requires accelerating them to close to the speed of light, and then colliding them head-on.
So, if you can't physically touch ANYTHING, just how tangible is the reality we perceive?
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
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You're inferring that consciousness is a counterpoint to evolution and that because I point out how fallacious you're argument is you resort to more ad hominems. Just because evolution doesn't explain everything, such as the laws of physics, does not mean that the laws of physics is a counter point to evolution. Resorting to metaphysics will not change the fallacy.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
You point out nothing. You lie and distort what I write. What metaphysics? Another lie! I'm not continuing this with you any longer. Every post I make, you respond to, and you won't stop. You're insane!
You're showing people how obsessive atheists are, how they cannot stand anyone to have an opinion that differs from their own, how they MUST make everyone believe what they believe.
I think for myself. That's what critical thinking is about. That's what good education is about.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
As I said before, either explain conscousness or shut up. Evolution does not explain consciousness. So explain it!
You're an atheist, and atheists are religious. Your religion tells you that consciousness cannot exist, that only matter exists. CONSCIOUSNESS EXISTS! Explain it, or shut up!
And while you're at it, explain matter, energy, space. No one knows what they actually are. No one knows a damn thing about the true nature of reality. Scientists actually know very, very little.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
@TDBWarehouse haha and you know everthing cause of someguys who wrot the bible 30 to 40 years after a so called jesus died for which schoolars cant even agree if he exsisted cmon you fucking egghead.......and dont worry science gains ground more then you obviuosly know while religion hasnt changed or gained any new evidence for its claims thats right claims!!!!!!!
fattkattz55 2 years ago
@fattkattz55: where did I claim to be religious? I have never followed any religion - I'm agnostic! But people like you are turning science - or, rather, atheism - into a religion, and that's even worse.
If you can explain conscious experience - seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling pain, feeling hot, feeling cold, and a sense of self - in terms of matter, I'll convert to atheism, too.
If you think you can, read "Purple Haze" by Joseph Levine.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
You're like the physicists who wouldn't believe light did NOT travel in ether. It was a wave, they thought, so it must propagate in some kind of substance. No, other scientists said, there is NO ether. This created a paradox.
You're the same, only with consciousness. It exists, so it must be matter. Who says it must be matter? Nature is not beholden to your religious beliefs.
Well, OK, if consciousness is not matter, what is it? I don't know! It's a paradox!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
You don't know anything about science. If you did, you'd know how intangible things are at the atomic level, how bizarre nature really is, how no one understands any of it.
Because you know so little science, you think the world looks and behaves how it looks and behaves to your senses. It doesn't!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
Particles are NOT tangible. That's why quantum theory is needed. It says you can't know where a particle is, or what it's doing, you only have a probability that it might be somewhere, or a probability that it might do this (e.g. light reflects off clear glass; you can't predict whether a photon will or will not be reflected - it might, it might not). Nature at the level of particles is actually very GHOSTLY.
When you've studied some science, I might consider continuing this "debate".
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
It's not that you don't have enough information to predict whether a photon will reflect or not - it's that nature uses probability to reflect light. It will reflect back a certain percentage of light based on the thickness of the glass. Nature chooses at random which photons are reflected and which aren't using probability.
Weird? Bizarre? Yes! And it's real science NOT metaphysics!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
But you've started a debate, so I'm forced to defend my views. Evolution does not explain consciousness. Why? Imagine a zombie, someone who looks, talks, and acts like a human being, but is NOT conscious - a machine, effectively. Evolution can equally be applied to this zombie. But what if the whole world was made up of zombies, would evolution reveal to us that which we did not know existed - consciousness? No, it would not! We only know about consciousness because we are conscious.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
Yes, Einstein was a great physicist, very imaginative, and even he could see science was going to hit a brick wall when it came to consciousness. You can't explain taste in terms of particles moving about - he saw that!
Technology is the application of science, and ALL (hard) sciences are founded on the interaction of particles.
I recommend "Purple Haze" by Joseph Levine. Don't worry, he's an atheist, but very honest. He shows that none of the theories of consciousness explain a damn thing!
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
Gravity is NOT consciousness. Conscious experience is accessible only by the person having the experience. Black holes, gravity, planets, apples can be seen by others (or their effects can). Consciousness exists, but it's nowhere, you can't find it and observe it, or experiment with it, or do anything.
If you're matter, and nothing else, like a black hole, I can kill you, and it isn't murder - just as destroying a stone isn't murder. You're denying your own existence!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
There is no point going on, because, like a religious fanatic, you are closed-minded. We are CONSCIOUS beings. Evolution does not explain what consciousness is or how it is caused. Tell me about the conscious experiences that couldn't compete in the survival of the species? Which conscious experiences were dumped by our species?
Science can't even observe consciousness, so how do you expect it to be understood? Read that book. But you want. Religious people hate thinking.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
It's funny you keep calling me close minded and yet all you can do is cite one source almost like it was the bible. You are also consistently trying to draw a conclusion that if evolution can't explain consciousness, then evolution is false. It's horrible fallacious, and you should try not to make such errors in the future. You're also missing my point; gravity exists WHETHER OR NOT it helps define consciousness. Evolution exists WHETHER OR NOT it helps define consciousness.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
One source? I mention Joseph Levine because he's honest, because he reviews all the theories of consciousness without letting an agenda get in the way. I also mentioned Semir Zeki, a NEUROSCIENTIST. But I don't think you're willing - or capable - of reading research papers written for scientists. Semir Zeki cannot explain consciousness either. He claims matter CAN explain consciousness. Yet, after 30 years of research, Zeki can't shown how. I also mentioned Albert Einstein.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
Look, you're the one obsessing over evolution. You think being intelligent is merely acting like a parrot, spouting what others say. In Albert Einstein's day, a debate could be had, but today, people like you have turned science into a religion, and no debate can be had anymore. All the answers are known or will be known, forget research, forget thinking - JUST BELIEVE! I said evolution doesn't explain consciousness. IT DOESN'T! No one can explain it. Don't accuse me of things I didn't say.
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
You're a genious. Hooray for blatent contradictions in your arguments. "I mention Joseph Levine because he's honest, because he reviews all the theories of consciousness without letting an agenda get in the way. I also mentioned Semir Zeki, a NEUROSCIENTIST" " You think being intelligent is merely acting like a parrot, spouting what others say."
So once again, why is it that you're pushing this point so hard when it bears no relevance to the point at hand? Try to stay on topic.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
Gravity? Consciousness is NOT gravity. What is wrong with you? Do you think? DO YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO THINK? You can't see consciousness in space - not in outer space or inner space. I can't observe consciousness or its effects. I only know it exists because I AM conscious. Whether you are is debatable - it doesn't look like it.
Evolution exists? Evolution is a explanation NOT a phenomenon. It explains the physical, biological body, NOT consciousness.
Either explain consciousness or shut up!
TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
So you call me close minded, and then tell me that "Science won't explain consciousness. I'm siding with Einstein on this one." "Either explain consciousness or shut up!" There's no answer I could give that you would accept. Way to be a hypocrite.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
The point of saying science can't explain consciousness is to counter the religious fanatics who believe matter can explain everything. It clearly can't, and as a conscious being, I have a right to assert my own existence.
How consciousness works? Consciousness isn't mechanical! How does pain work? You FEEL pain - it doesn't move, clunk or whirl!
All science has done is explain how PARTICLES interact. Chemistry, biology, engineering, electronics, are ultimately all about particles.
mikeymikey0000 2 years ago
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TDBWarehouse 2 years ago
This has nothing to do with Republican vs Democrat. This has nothing to do with if he's a christian or not. I for one am an Atheist, and I agree fully to what he has to say. I know nothing about his past, but what is important is what this video is trying to show us. And what this video is trying to show us is that our educational system is so focused on regulations, red tape, and keeping us all in line that it's lost sight on what's really important.
DemonBirdProductions 2 years ago
Well, when people that are religious call anyone that is not religious a "liberal" it polarizes the debate making it more Democrat v. Republican. Also the "regulations, red tape" is vital for our schools, how else can you ensure that children learn the most truthful information that they can about a subject? If you didn't have the red tape, people would be preaching their version of god and that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Look at Texas.
lvmrf85 2 years ago
I live in Texas... And the teachers should stick to the curriculum somewhat, sure, but the schools shouldn't teach their students that it's wrong to speak up for what they think is right. Even if it's wrong, they should still have their right to say whatever they want, and the people with the better idea can speak up for what THEY think is right and know how to give legitimate reasons to back up their case.
DemonBirdProductions 2 years ago
Dude, he even said that "if an Athiest says 'I don't beleive in god and that's what is important to me' then that is protected by the first amendment." Start watching at 6:18
zachy111 2 years ago
children don't have counstitutional rights until 18
deuante12 2 years ago
That is the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard in a youtube comment, and that's saying something. Nothing in established case law or constitutional scholarship backs up your claim. On the contrary, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled several times that minors/students do have constitutional rights, and that they do not abdicate them simply by entering school grounds or a school function. In summary, you are a moron.
godblesstexas 2 years ago
Based on this video, I agree. When I was in the public schools not too long ago, this was teaching me to be a conformist and barely taught about the U.S. Constitution, until my 12th grade of my teaching saying it is a "living, breathing" document.
To Deaunate, children do have rights, regardless how young or old they are. Even though they are minors, if you make them conceal their expressions/speech, then the results could be negative.
doctorofghetto 2 years ago
I couldnt agree more.
Sonja6098 2 years ago
Damn dude, unless you're born a genius and
Einstein, This is what it takes to have a voice?
My rectum talks on occasion. I just wanted to heat "me some Dear Prudence" and then I have t o hear someone soud out "Brittany?"
Jaysus.
SecondComingTwice 2 years ago
And God's plan for each of our lives may not leave us with an impressive and extensive resume, but if we pursue His plan, He promises to fill us. Jeremiah 29:11 says, " 'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the Lord, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future.' "
Sounds like a sermon to me!
Devalmont2 2 years ago
(END OF SPEECH THAT WAS MUTED)
"This is why Christ died. John 10:10 says He died so we no longer have to reach in vain for the magnificence of the stars and find we always fall short, so we can have life -- and life to the fullest. "Because the fact of the matter remains, man possesses an innate desire to take part in something greater than himself. That something is God's plan. !
Devalmont2 2 years ago
"The schools are destroying freedom of speech" ... what this really means is "The schools are refusing to be places to indoctrinate and proselytize the Christian religion"!
Devalmont2 2 years ago
The funny thing is, whilst freedom of speech allows you to say anything you want to, it doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen, or care.
Simracer1990 2 years ago
They tell her to give a speech to her fellow graduates about what she thinks has gotten her thus far, but yet they tell her she can't talk about god, the lord, or christ... when it is that that she believes has gotten her to this point of her life... although i am not christian, i think that makes no sense because she isn't telling other people to believe in christ or anything like that, but she is telling them what SHE believes and what SHE thinks has gotten her here.
xobabie1 2 years ago
There's a difference between talking about god and trying to convince your audience to convert to Christianity: Here are the parts cut from her speech. If you're being honest with yourself, you will recognize her speech went far beyond talking about god as a force in her life:
"God's love is so great that he gave His only son up .. [mike cuts off] to an excruciating death on a cross so His blood would cover all our shortcomings and provide for us a way to heaven in accepting this grace.
Devalmont2 2 years ago
I'm sure if a muslim was up there you would all throw a fit I believe let them all speak or let none of them speak. I was sent to the office for talking about my atheism with my personal friends and people over heard me. I was pissed.
cogar48 2 years ago 2
I agree!
Audreymt96 2 years ago
That's why we have a Government class, lol...
TTINUHPLOTR 2 years ago