These are the Monkee songs Glen Campbell played on: Take A Giant Step/Lets Dance On 6/10/66 The Kind Of Girl I Could Love on 6/25/66 Im Gonna Buy Me A Dog/So Goes Love/Papa Genes Blues on 7/7/66 Sweet Young Thing/You Just May Be The One on 7/18/66 Mary Mary/You Do Not Ask For Love on 7/25/66. Glen will become close friends with Mike during his session playing and a few years later when Nobody would touch the Monkees he will have them perform on his Variety show The Glenn Campbell Goodtime Hour.
People it's Michael nesmith playing guitar not Glenn cambell or any one else But Michael nesmith period. As far as guitarist go's no ones touches Edward van halen that's for dam SHURE!
...the guitar player that kicks this off is Tommy Tedesco; session player in L.A.
Hails from Niagara Falls. Quintisential 1st call studio sessionist. He's also the guitarist on the theme from M.A.S.H. and mandolinist for the 'Godfather'; and many many more. Google him.
living in the 60s,70,80s, was pretty good, anything after that is just complete shit, people thinking and ideas changed so much ,and most of it for the worse
@onlywayisup100 I couldn't agree more! The very early 90's weren't too bad, but after that....something sinister took over, attitudes changes and nothing has been right since.
Actually, contrary to popular belief, the guitarist in this song is GLEN CAMPBELL, not Louis Shelton. Yes, Shelton played on a lot of the Monkees songs, but this is GLEN, I promise.
@torchkit Not true. Campbell was a ghost player on many Monkees songs right up until 1970 when it all ended. It IS Glen playing on this song. He appears uncredited, but it IS him.
@romeokid69 Wrong. Louie Shelton. Glen would never take credit for tunes on which he did not play and I know him. Although, Glen is an amazing guitarist as is Mr. Shelton.
@chucksummer Look, you can claim you know him, you can claim you know EVH, you can claim you know anyone. Louie Shelton, I have recently learned does play rhythm guitar on this track, but the riff IS INDEED Glen Campbell. It has been confirmed by other musicians at the recording session.
@romeokid69 Rofl sorry guy Glenn Campbell was a session player for RCA Colgems and did play on a couple of songs, But the riff and lead were played by Louie Shelton from Boyce & Harts Band The Candy Store Prophets. According to Andrew Sandovals Book "Monkees Day To Day History" Tommy Boyce stated that they were doing some recordings at RCAs Hollywood studio in May of 1965 at the same time The Stones were there recording Satisfaction, He said Louie was inspired by that riff. Very easy to look up.
@chucksummer After leaving the Champs in 1960 Glen Campbell became a session player part of the infamous Wrecking Crew with Hal Blaine on drums, Tommy Tedesco on guitar, Leon Russell on piano, Carol Kaye on bass guitar, and Al Casey also on guitar. He stopped in early 1967 to record Gentle On My Mind, which became a huge hit, After that his session days were over and Glen never looked back winning a Grammy in 1968.
Listen, smile and remember, all in one, is something I can not help listening to this song, especially at the time of yelp - 0.53 - in my imagination I am sitting reading while listening to this song, suddenly for a split second, the cry of Davy Jones and mine mingled in one and of course I continued reading, but something made me look up and there was my dad looking at me surprised by the cry, which incidentally had left "by default "! .... really, great times!!!!
1968 - quite an unbelievable and tumultuous year. Assasinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy and the aftermath... Astronauts circling the moon reading quotes from the Book of Genesis... Vietnam War and the Tet Offensive.. Invasion of Czechoslovakia by Warsaw Pact troops.. Commander Lloyd Bucher and the Pueblo affair... Chicago Democratic Convention riots.. Oh.., and this song.
I was going through "Hell Night" at my fraternity when this was popular. I'll never forget either. I loved one and hated the other. You guess which was which.
@VinylNostalgia: Tapioca Tundra was a minor hit also, and at least in some parts of the country. I know I heard it a week or two before I heard Valleri. (I was living in Maine at the time.)
@Pfw51 Peter Tork was also a musician, and used to perform with Steven Stills pre Crosby-Stills-Nash-Young days. Mike Nesmith was, however, a more talented musician and composer, and eventually founded Pacific Arts.
Hendrix did open for the Monkees. He was booed off the stage because they didn't get his music. It's in the book "'Scuse Me While I Kiss The Sky." by David Henderson. Taking nothing away from Mike, the only thing Hendrix was afraid of was his singing abilities.
Come on, folks, stop re-writing history. Mike Nesmith was the guitarist here. He was one of the finest guitarists of the 60s. Legend has it that Hendrix refused to open for these guys because he knew Nesmith would make him look like a beginner.
@rich64000064 - Yes. Nesmith dominated them all. And Clapton is probably the most overrated guitarist of all time, in my humble opinion. He and Carlos Santana.
Is Louis playing the rock guitar with the fuzz box, or the Spanish adornments? Probably they had a studio musician for the Spanish-style guitar. In any case, it is a great song. Loved it in the day for its evocation of what it's like to have a crush on somebody.
When I was very young back in the late 60's I remember my sister would look at this show on TV every day & they would play their songs on every show. Valeri is the only song I can remember them playing. Brings back great memories. I think they palyed live once at Washington Sq. Pk. in NYC back in 67 or 68 but I'm not 100% sure being I was 3 or 4 yrs. old.
you are right ..louis is a big Carlos Montoya fan and i am sure this is where he got these fast riffs ...GERRY MCGEE of the VENTURES also did a lot of their work ..you know a lot of groups [ not just the MONKEES] used session men for the studio as studio time was very expensive and they just couldnt afford take after take and leaving it up to the groups for arrangements ..it took a lot of ''support ''to cut a record album even for the BEATLES ..
We used to play this on the juke box at the skate rink and had such fun going round and round to this kicky tune. My friend, Valane, was always mistakenly called Vallerie.
@Thathoodwink Thank you for that bit of info on the guitarist on this song. I've wondered who it was every time I have listened to it. Thanks again! :D
I always just loved the song "Valleri"; still sounding good. It is just so upbeat, and I guess it reminds me of being so very young. This was one that was guaranteed to make me turn up the volume! Thank you for a nostalgic post.
My music appreciation is finally now in full swing for The Monkees. Had a hard time getting into the reruns of their show as kid & I was turned off by their 1986 MTV run as a teen.
I remember the Monkees from back in the day. I just hear both version of this song. The horns are better for Valleri. I heard the other one and did not like it. I bought the CD about 10 years ago for the other songs that I remember as a kid. But Valleri I really like a lot from the Monkees. Thanks for posting It!!!
I am Valleri & I was surprised when someone actually came up with a song with my name in it in 1967 when I was in high school☺ It was a little known song. I can't remember what the flip side of the single was but I bought the single for the flip side & tripped over "Valleri". There weren't many Valeries around then. The Valeries wers ALL spelled Valerie☺
@valerawsome ..My high school girlfriend was a Valerie . She actually penned in the E on the 45 rpm Label. Its the first thing I think of when I hear this song.
My wife, Sandy, heard this on the radio this morning and came home and asked me to find it on You Tube. She is standing next to me dancing and singing. She thinks it's "the coolest song."
Because in the mid-to-late 1960s I don't recall a Spiderman TV show, but there was the Batman TeeVee show. And so I wanted a Batman ween costume.
*sighs* being a kid in the 1960s was so cool. Half of the toys made in the 60's would get you arrested if you were playing in the front yard today. Toys were made of metal, and dangerous toys were all over the place, but seemingly not too many kidz got hurt playing or swallowing them. Stuff from the 60s was just plain Cool.
@DancingSpiderman Yes. There was a Spiderman animated cartoon which aired on ABC-TV within the Saturday morning schedule. The series original run was from 1967 to 1969.
Louis Shelton: Thanks. I used to argue with friends that there was no way Mike Nesmih was playing those rifts. I got lots of laughs from the Monkees, I was in high school then. Yeah I'm a geezer.
Nothing to say except this was my favorite Monkees' song. Not sure why other than it simply appealed to me and I loved the music. Thanks for this nostalgic post.
Ooooh chill people. Used to love the monkees as a kid, had a penpal (remember them) in the USA who was in a school band called the chimps playing monkees hits - how impressed was i. I even had a litle red double breasted corduroy jacket. Happy days.
Could've been a Hot 100 hit 18 months earlier. A mono version cut for the TV show in the fall of 1966 escaped the recording studio and found its way to Chicago top 40 station WCFL, which put it on the playlist and charted it high during the 1966-67 holiday. WKBW and CKLW also played it. But Colgems never released that version, which is faster and has a cold end, as a single. This one is a total re-do in stereo with a fade end...and charted high in 1968. It's the one you hear now on oldies radio
wow, you just make stuff up, don't you. what led you to believe i'm 'mad'?
try and try to divert, you can't prove that you interviewed davy and micky and that they said 'the monkees had another group play ''''behind the curtains''' ''.
Neo, I hope your perseverance serves some noble purpose someday - it ain't today, and trust me, you don't know what you're talking about. Let's be charitable and say you've been misinformed.
I thought my dripping sarcasm was quite plain when I expressed my level of interest in dox-ing myself, so why you continue to beg for it like some 49-year-old hooker is beyond me.
You're better off staying misinformed, Neo - I'm starting to feel like I told you there's no Santa Claus.
@MultiNickDanger LOL...you keep trying to divert, but i'm not gonna let you get off that easy.
you either can PROVE your claim that two of the monkees told you (and seemingly you alone) that they had other guys play 'behind the curtains' or you're a liar.
i'll let you sleep on that tonight...of course, you'll come back and 'get the last word' for the night. you need that, don't you?
be sure to kiss your g.i. joe doll (er, action figure) goodnight. he's where all your power comes from
Why do you think the Monkees, who were selling out concert halls nationwide and could have had their pick of opening acts, picked the one band on the planet who knew all their songs and sounded just like them to take on the road? Because they loved them in a manly Gayle Sayers/Brian Piccolo way and couldn't stand to be parted from them?
I know you're not a deep thinker, Neo, but that's why I'm here - to do your thinking for you.
@MultiNickDanger LOL...you can try and try to divert, but it STILL gets down to one thing you can never do, and that's:
provide your name, the name of your 'radio' show, the call letters of your radio station, the date of your interview(s) with davy and micky and the audio (or written) transcripts of the interview.
that way, i can go to their publicists/management firm(s) and confirm they said what you claimed they said.
Neo, I'm really starting to like you. True enough you're a one-trick pony with this insanity about me ID'ing myself, but I gotta admit, I can see where, in your alternate reality, offering me a choice between dox'ing myself or being a liar probably seems de rigueur. The truth is I'm not lying, Neo. You do know there are radio announcers in the world. You do know that someone does the job. One of those someones is me. Is that really too bizarre to believe?
@MultiNickDanger wow, talk about one trick ponies...you maintain the lie, yet won't offer any proof of your mystery interview with davy and micky. one has to ask 'why'?
so be it. if you're not lying, why do you simply not produce the station, it's call letters, the city, the date of the interviews and the name of the show?
it's hard to believe because you've done nothing to make anyone reading trust you. you also are saying davy/micky went 180 degrees on a 44 year old story.
why not PROVE your claim that davy and micky told you that, 'yes, we didnt play our stuff onstage, and another group played behind the curtains'? i mean, YOU CLAIMED to interview both on a radio show.
soooooo, it should be beyond easy to post:
the station, number and call letters, am or fm;
the name of the 'show' that you interviewed them on;
the date/year of the interview
see, then anyone can go to their management to confirm.
I don't know what else to do with you. I know you'll be busy, since this conversation has unearthed a minefield of personal shortcomings you obviously need to address immediately. But I gotta turn my back on you now, Neo. You're on your own.
I've sometimes heard this song with a cold ending rather than the fade ending heard on the single here & on the "Birds, Bees & Monkees" CD. I wonder why the better cold ending wasn't chosen for the single & album. It's not like there was no room for the full ending!
Love this song. My dad named me after this song! Spelled exactly the same way, and made sure by driving back home before he signed the birth certficiate to check his album for the spelling, then going back to the hospital. =) Used to dance around the living room with my dad standing on his feet. Fun times for sure.
@vallerikay I named my daughter after this song too! But I wimped out and used the regular spelling! She is 28 now and we have always shared our love of music!
@vallerikay Funny you should say that; I named my second kid after this song, too! My sister and I were big, bad Monkee fans, and on Christmas Day last year, we started singing this together, just for fun. The girl named Valerie is in her late 20s now, but she'll listen to old R&R sometimes. Well she was standing and listening to us singing, and she said: "I'm going to go and find that song!" LOL! I don't know if she ever got around to it or not, though.
The Monkees had some really good songs, and this is probably the best one. But I hate them passionately. When The Monkees came along, all of a sudden it didn't matter who wrote or played the music, as long as the image could be sold. And now, after decades of variation on and amplification of that theme, there's no music left, only image.
Seemed fairly innocent at the time, but now, it's easy to see The Monkees opened the Pandora's Box that killed rock and roll.
@MultiNickDanger well, it was not THEIR fault, but the producers. In fact, The Beatles (I think it was John) said: "The Monkees are the band we (The Beatles) want to be." Or something alike.
@MultiNickDanger actually, that 'image thing' was there WAYYYYYY before the monkees. they just happened to be the first group to be publicly modeled after the the much worshipped beatles.
as far as 'who played the music', most groups (including the beatles) had sessions artists for the records. why? because in most bands, no matter how good you were on an instrument, there were dozens of sessions artists that could play better.
You're exaggerating for effect. Occasional use of studio musicians by established groups doesn't compare, or offset in any way, the fact that the Monkees were not involved in the writing or recording of their music in any way at all other than Davey Jones' vocals.
There's a glaring difference in participating in the "image thing" and being 100% manufactured.
The music-buying public no longer cares about artistic integrity. That's why they get shit on a platter.
@MultiNickDanger actually, i'm not exaggerating, for affect or anything else. bands of that era (including 'respected' bands like the beach boys, the byrds) used sessions artist often, if not all the time. the beatles used sessions artists.
it's a business, plain and simple. and usually, sessions artists are better at their craft than the 'band' members are. no biggie. as long as the 'band' can play on the road...which, BAM, the monkees could.
@MultiNickDanger oh yeah, on 'more of the beatles', michael nesmith wrote 'mary, mary', and peter tork played guitar in the session. and micky dolenz was lead and background vocals. micky, mike and peter were trained muscians.
'headquarters' , 3rd album, and first they had control was number 1 for week (when 'sgt pepper' was released) , #2 for 11 weeks, and was DOUBLE PLATINUM.
@MultiNickDanger "Pisces Aquarius Capricorn and Jones LTD", second album where they had control, was #1 for five weeks, triple platinum and had two hits, including "Daydream Believer" (released prior to the album, but recorded during this time) and "Pleasant Valley Sunday".
side note: "The album is particularly interesting for the pioneering use of the Moog synthesizer, which Micky Dolenz introduced to the group and played in the studio; he owned one of the first twenty ever sold"
JFC, 4 rambling apologies from the president of the Milli Vanilli Fan Club? What have I done?
Enjoy whatever manufactured pop you want, nightmare boy, and don't let the fact that it's aimed directly at the prepubescent girl demographic embarrass you either.
I guess I'll just have to take comfort from the fact that while I am a "nobody" in the world of music, I am somebody who knows the difference between owning an instrument and playing it professionally.
@MultiNickDanger wow, you failed to divert from your statements which were baseless opinion. did we talk 'milli vanilli'? nope. try again.
no rambling, son, just facts. you can't WISH i was rambling in an attempt to dilute the truthfulness of what i said. that may work with high school kids, not with adults.
good you own and play 'professionally'. you're still a nobody.
i KNEW you were a muscian (of sorts) that hasn't gotten recognition. don't be bitter. enjoy your life, dude.
Way to totally miss the point, missing-the-point guy.
I'm not a musician. At all. Neither are the Monkees for that matter. And I don't wish you were rambling, I just wish you'd stop trying to convince someone who's about 500 times smarter than you that the Monkees are legit.
However, the story of them trying to BECOME legit after the TV show hit it big is certainly a parable worthy of Aesop himself, with their miserable failure, of course, being the required moral.
@MultiNickDanger actually, peter tork and mike neismith were both in folks groups. dolenz learned how to play the drums. davey jones was not skilled on an instrument, but he did sing. try again.
you claiming to be '500 times smarter' than me doesn't hold water when, if you're THAT smart, you could google information about the monkees. you just fucked up.
as far as them 'trying to be legit', how many groups can say they controlled the work of a double platinum and triple plat album?
Neo, I'm aware of all the Monkees' qualifications, or lack thereof. I'm aware to the extent that I don't have to Google anything. Matter of fact, I once interviewed Davy Jones and Micky Dolenz personally.
The question isn't "could they play instruments?" They could, though not well enough to perform their own solo's during live performances. The question is, were they talented musicians? Their body of work subsequent to the TV show, on their own, says they weren't.
@MultiNickDanger their body of work TO YOU allegedly 'says they weren't' talented.
however, others disagree.
dude, you don't like them, they get 'shit on a plate' (or something like that) from you...so why are you pushing it so? i mean, i like them and glad the song was posted.
you coming back trying to convince me (or others) that the monkees weren't good/talented/etc., won't work.
so we can go back and forth FOREVER... i like 'em, know the facts and won't change.
"Pushing it so?" I'm simply responding to your vacuous rebuttals of my comment, which was directed at no one in particular, hoping to discourage future transgressions from the natural hierarchy.
I expressed my view, you expressed your contrary view. You're an adult with the musical purview of a 12-year-old girl. I'm not.
Essentially what you're saying is "Shut up and stop making me look stupid." Sorry, neocon, can't help ya. But you CAN do that for yourself.
@MultiNickDanger if looking up facts is 'vacuous', then what is it when YOU give baseless opinion and try to pass it off as fact. oh yeah...baseless opinion.
you then say childish, high school level things like 'you have the musical purview of a 12 year old girl'? LOL...translation: you're a bitter nobody that came on this video to say how much you THINK the monkees were lousy.
only thing i'm saying is if you're so sure about your OPINION, why keep coming back. i aint gonna change.
@MultiNickDanger by the way, how do you THINK (or pretend to believe) that i'm looking stupid.
i gave facts that are on the net. a double platinum and triple platinum album, with several hits between them on albums the monkees took control of. that's better than 99.999999999% of folks that get into the music business.
you can't counter that. you don't like the monkees, fine. you ain't changing the minds of those that like them.
Then again, why NOT keep coming back? Now and then one runs across an individual so determined to get in the last word, even though he really has nothing to say, that it's worthwhile to go ahead and shoot him down, for everyone else's benefit.
You are one such.
I'm not interested in the googly facts, I'm only interested in you, Neo - what character possesses a person to defend so vigorously that which can't be defended? Are you...really retarded? If so, I apologize.
@MultiNickDanger LOL...you're funny. you can keep coming back, but you know you're baseless.
you're the one determined to get the last word, and i may/may not allow you that. one thing's for sure, you want it BAD for someone that doesnt like the monkees.
I've decided to find your overuse of the "LOL" acronym charming and quirky, Neo.
I'll tell you what - if you say one clever thing, I'll let you have the last word. Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind, I have total control of this conversation and always will.
@MultiNickDanger what you claim to find 'amusing' and 'overuse' is meaningless. what I FIND amusing is your alleged 'dislike' of the monkees, and your repeated attempts to 'convince' others they're bad.
not gonna work.
i gave you PROOF of them not being the 'no talents' you claimed. you can't get around it. your dislike of them is SUBJECTIVE. however, they are talented enough to control two albums that spawned four hits, one album going double platinum the other triple platinum. LOL
@MultiNickDanger how sad, you need 'control'. well, if you THINK you do, good for you.
note: i'm going to take the last word anyway. nothing you do will change that. i may leave a week and come back. i may leave a MONTH and come back. the fact that i KNOW you want the last word is all i need.
bwahahahahahahahahahaha...you don't have control over anything else in life, so you won't start now.
Tell me, Neo, what does your name mean? Does it mean you're a Neocon, or the opposite? I'm trying to envision you in a political conversation and having a hard time with it. I mean, circular logic might prevail in an argument about a TV pseudo-rock band, if you were having that argument against someone who didn't know all the facts. But politico's are usually out for blood. Do you use the "LOL defense" or the "self-proclaimed victory" strategy when arguing politics too?
@MultiNickDanger by the way, since you're trying to divert by 'attacking' my 'LOL' (lame on your part) and playing 'pocket edition psychologist', i must ask this:
if you're so sure that the monkees were talentless and that i'm so lousy at debating the powerful and all rock knowledge you, why the desperate need for the last word?
why? casually said they were talentless, got pissed because you were giving proof they had talent, and you think you're intelligent.
I don't need the last word, Neo. I've already had it, you're in full rehash mode. I just like pushing your buttons because you're so adamant about defending such a silly little group of actors.
There's such an ocean of difference between being able to stand on a stage and play an instrument and being musically talented, it's probably pointless to try to explain it to you if you don't already understand.
Ever hear of a band called Candy Store Prophets, Neo?
@MultiNickDanger you seem to think that you're some kind of 'be all, end all' when it comes to assessing talent in groups. you're not. you can delude yourself until hell freezes over, you've shown nothing that would make anyone gravitate toward that delusion of yours.
i dont like rihanna, and i PERSONALLY think she can't sing. however, doesnt matter to folks that like her.
if its 'pointless' to try and 'explain' your alleged genious when it comes to music, why try so hard?
'The Candy Store Prophets recorded the bulk of the backing tracks for the first Monkees album, and for the show's first season, with help from guitarists Louie Shelton and Wayne Erwin. When the Monkees began to perform publicly late in 1966, the Prophets toured with them as their opening act.'
Oh Neo, Neo... There are 2 kinds of people in the world, Neo - the kind of people who get all their information from Wikipedia, and the kind of people who actually know things.
Do you know how I know the Candy Store Prophets played behind the curtain while the Monkees played on stage? Because Davy Jones told me they did when I asked him if it was true, and Micky Dolenz concurred. I had them on my radio show. It's quite common knowledge in music industry circles.
@MultiNickDanger how do you allegedly KNOW they played 'behind the curtains'? i can google that group and get the SAME INFORMATION.
oh, DAVY JONES told you? prove it. you have a signed affidavit from davy saying that? no, you don't. you can't PROVE davy told you that. nor can you PROVE micky dolenz 'concurred'. micky, in PUBLIC INTERVIEWS maintains he learned to play drums and the group played their concerts.
Some people know the truth when they hear it. It's nothing to me if you want to make a fool out of yourself, but I assure you I'm not the only person on the planet who has this information, how I got it is quite irrelevant, and it is an undisputed fact. You seriously think I'm lying about being a radio jock who interviewed the Monkees? Hmm, pretty sure I could come up with a better lie than that if I was trying to impress someone.
@MultiNickDanger i think you are really pushing the issue that you don't like the monkees. instead of saying it's simply your opinion, you tried to 'make it real'.
you claimed they were nothing and no talented, and i responded with them having controlled two albums, one became double platinum, the other triple platinum. those two albums produced four hits. more than the vast majority of groups EVER get.
you then waited a day for you latest idiocy, an outrigh lie. you're pathetic.
HAHAHA - you're a lot of fun, Neo. I almost wish you weren't so full of shit, I love it when people toss out words like "idiocy" and "pathetic" to avoid admitting they're wrong. So camp.
Nonetheless, it is a fact, easily-verified, that the Monkees were very borderline musicians and this was compensated for by the Candy Store Prophets playing behind the curtain at their concerts.
You're such a LOL-cow, Neo, I can't tell you how glad I am that you refuse to believe it.
@MultiNickDanger how am i allegedly 'full of shit', when YOU claimed to have interviewed davy jones and micky dolenz, and both said 'yeah, you're right, we're talentless'. i mean, publicly, ALL FOUR stated they played their instruments on tour...but YOU, they confided in YOU that they had another band play for them.
amazing.
and you expect me (and others) to believe that? bwahahahahahah.
why should i believe you? what proof do you have? you're a nobody on the net.
@MultiNickDanger oh yeah, how is it easily verified that the monkees are 'borderline muscians'? i mean, that's a subjective term.
oh, yeah...you didnt say 'borderline muscians' earlier. you said 'no talent'. now they've moved up to 'borderline musicians'.
they MAY be both, one or the other or neither. but they did CONTROL two albums, one that was triple platinum and the other double platinum. those albums had four hits. which is more than 99.99999% of rock groups can ever say.
Neo, when I interview someone, I ask what I want to know. That's what I wanted to know from Davy and Micky, and they were honest. It's really no big secret to anyone but you. I control every conversation. Like this one. I'm a control freak.
Is that your final, parting argument - that I was lying about the interview? If I was it wouldn't change the fact that the Monkees had a band playing behind the curtain. Obviously your real issue is with me. And with the truth.
@MultiNickDanger yes, i'm saying you're lying, since YOUR parting shot is you, a no name nobody, is claiming you interviewed to members of the monkees, and both said they never played their instruments on stage.
see, that goes COUNTER to everything all four members have been saying publicly since, ohhh, 1966.
you've given NO REASON why i should believe you.
you dont control anything, but obviously you wish you could.
try again, liar. or, do something new and PROVE your lie.
These are the Monkee songs Glen Campbell played on: Take A Giant Step/Lets Dance On 6/10/66 The Kind Of Girl I Could Love on 6/25/66 Im Gonna Buy Me A Dog/So Goes Love/Papa Genes Blues on 7/7/66 Sweet Young Thing/You Just May Be The One on 7/18/66 Mary Mary/You Do Not Ask For Love on 7/25/66. Glen will become close friends with Mike during his session playing and a few years later when Nobody would touch the Monkees he will have them perform on his Variety show The Glenn Campbell Goodtime Hour.
kenc1161 2 weeks ago 3
Eddie Van Halen is a good guitarist, but there are others that are as good as Edward.
chucksummer 2 weeks ago
Actually the guitar solo's on this is Louie Shelton, not Glenn Campbell, Tommy Tedesco or James Burton....just for the record.
loujazz99 2 weeks ago
jimmy page ??
torkerbmx 3 weeks ago
People it's Michael nesmith playing guitar not Glenn cambell or any one else But Michael nesmith period. As far as guitarist go's no ones touches Edward van halen that's for dam SHURE!
EPI6fingers 4 weeks ago
wat with the ending
1324magenta 1 month ago
...the guitar player that kicks this off is Tommy Tedesco; session player in L.A.
Hails from Niagara Falls. Quintisential 1st call studio sessionist. He's also the guitarist on the theme from M.A.S.H. and mandolinist for the 'Godfather'; and many many more. Google him.
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aammirr 1 month ago
living in the 60s,70,80s, was pretty good, anything after that is just complete shit, people thinking and ideas changed so much ,and most of it for the worse
onlywayisup100 2 months ago
@onlywayisup100 I couldn't agree more! The very early 90's weren't too bad, but after that....something sinister took over, attitudes changes and nothing has been right since.
brennieb64 1 month ago
May I recommend the book 'A Pop Revolution, the transatlantic music scene 1965 to 1969' by the invisible man. The author is a big fan of this track.
garyw930 2 months ago
i'm totally enamoured with a valerie as i write this. but she doesnt feel the same way........yet......
lelandf8 2 months ago
I bought this single when it came out and played it 50 times in a row.
Richard2003 2 months ago
Mark E Smith
nath909 3 months ago
Actually, contrary to popular belief, the guitarist in this song is GLEN CAMPBELL, not Louis Shelton. Yes, Shelton played on a lot of the Monkees songs, but this is GLEN, I promise.
romeokid69 3 months ago
@romeokid69 Glen Campbell played on the first Monkees album only.
torchkit 2 months ago
@torchkit Not true. Campbell was a ghost player on many Monkees songs right up until 1970 when it all ended. It IS Glen playing on this song. He appears uncredited, but it IS him.
romeokid69 2 months ago
@romeokid69 Wrong. Louie Shelton. Glen would never take credit for tunes on which he did not play and I know him. Although, Glen is an amazing guitarist as is Mr. Shelton.
chucksummer 2 weeks ago
@chucksummer Look, you can claim you know him, you can claim you know EVH, you can claim you know anyone. Louie Shelton, I have recently learned does play rhythm guitar on this track, but the riff IS INDEED Glen Campbell. It has been confirmed by other musicians at the recording session.
romeokid69 2 weeks ago
@romeokid69 Rofl sorry guy Glenn Campbell was a session player for RCA Colgems and did play on a couple of songs, But the riff and lead were played by Louie Shelton from Boyce & Harts Band The Candy Store Prophets. According to Andrew Sandovals Book "Monkees Day To Day History" Tommy Boyce stated that they were doing some recordings at RCAs Hollywood studio in May of 1965 at the same time The Stones were there recording Satisfaction, He said Louie was inspired by that riff. Very easy to look up.
kenc1161 2 weeks ago 9
@chucksummer Glen is an amazing guitarist? hahahahahahahahahahaha sorry, I have nothing against Glen, but...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
jdrock14 2 weeks ago 2
@jdrock14 You are a moron. He was a member of the session players in the 60s and played on many hits. You are also immature. hahahahahahahahahahaha
chucksummer 1 week ago
@chucksummer After leaving the Champs in 1960 Glen Campbell became a session player part of the infamous Wrecking Crew with Hal Blaine on drums, Tommy Tedesco on guitar, Leon Russell on piano, Carol Kaye on bass guitar, and Al Casey also on guitar. He stopped in early 1967 to record Gentle On My Mind, which became a huge hit, After that his session days were over and Glen never looked back winning a Grammy in 1968.
Hope you all enjoyed this useless information.
kenc1161 1 week ago 2
@chucksummer Glen is amazing and Clapton is overrated. WOW! You're either from the midwest or another country (other than England).
jdrock14 1 week ago 2
I still love the Monkees.
I even saw them once.
Those were the good old days.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 3 months ago
Listen, smile and remember, all in one, is something I can not help listening to this song, especially at the time of yelp - 0.53 - in my imagination I am sitting reading while listening to this song, suddenly for a split second, the cry of Davy Jones and mine mingled in one and of course I continued reading, but something made me look up and there was my dad looking at me surprised by the cry, which incidentally had left "by default "! .... really, great times!!!!
rbkpetroleo 4 months ago
1968 - quite an unbelievable and tumultuous year. Assasinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy and the aftermath... Astronauts circling the moon reading quotes from the Book of Genesis... Vietnam War and the Tet Offensive.. Invasion of Czechoslovakia by Warsaw Pact troops.. Commander Lloyd Bucher and the Pueblo affair... Chicago Democratic Convention riots.. Oh.., and this song.
Reactiv12 4 months ago 2
I was going through "Hell Night" at my fraternity when this was popular. I'll never forget either. I loved one and hated the other. You guess which was which.
seosamhronan 5 months ago
i knew that wasn't a Monkee,I can "barely" play that intro :)
Syzygy60 5 months ago
@VinylNostalgia: Tapioca Tundra was a minor hit also, and at least in some parts of the country. I know I heard it a week or two before I heard Valleri. (I was living in Maine at the time.)
h2izcool 5 months ago
Are they playing their own instruments at this point at all?
charadeyouareha 5 months ago
Oh come on... Mike Nesmith was the only real musician in the bunch. He could play the guitar with the best of them.
Pfw51 6 months ago
@Pfw51 Peter Tork was also a musician, and used to perform with Steven Stills pre Crosby-Stills-Nash-Young days. Mike Nesmith was, however, a more talented musician and composer, and eventually founded Pacific Arts.
downix 6 months ago
@Pfw51 Peter Tork actually has music talent. But, the session guys made them hits.
chucksummer 2 weeks ago 3
Hendrix did open for the Monkees. He was booed off the stage because they didn't get his music. It's in the book "'Scuse Me While I Kiss The Sky." by David Henderson. Taking nothing away from Mike, the only thing Hendrix was afraid of was his singing abilities.
anteros66 6 months ago
Come on, folks, stop re-writing history. Mike Nesmith was the guitarist here. He was one of the finest guitarists of the 60s. Legend has it that Hendrix refused to open for these guys because he knew Nesmith would make him look like a beginner.
GlorifiedTruth 6 months ago
@GlorifiedTruth ??? ever hear of Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page etc.
rich64000064 5 months ago
@rich64000064 - Yes. Nesmith dominated them all. And Clapton is probably the most overrated guitarist of all time, in my humble opinion. He and Carlos Santana.
GlorifiedTruth 5 months ago 2
@GlorifiedTruth I agree. Clapton is overrated.
chucksummer 2 weeks ago 3
Louie Shelton on guitar...he also did Last Train to Clarksville, among many others.
lerxst990 6 months ago
That was a cool song the monkees were a very good band!!!!
memphistenn77 6 months ago
This is goddamn great rock drumming.
BobBerkeley 6 months ago
I actually named my daughter Valerie because the song stood in my head and I liked the name! She was born in 1983!
doloresb749 6 months ago 2
Is Louis playing the rock guitar with the fuzz box, or the Spanish adornments? Probably they had a studio musician for the Spanish-style guitar. In any case, it is a great song. Loved it in the day for its evocation of what it's like to have a crush on somebody.
iadorenewyork 7 months ago
Davey singing one of their best songs! Great guitar and drums, too.
DougCameraMan 7 months ago
This is the only Monkees song I like. I'm 16 and I'm a huge Beatles fan :)
ShelbyBeatles95 7 months ago
When I was very young back in the late 60's I remember my sister would look at this show on TV every day & they would play their songs on every show. Valeri is the only song I can remember them playing. Brings back great memories. I think they palyed live once at Washington Sq. Pk. in NYC back in 67 or 68 but I'm not 100% sure being I was 3 or 4 yrs. old.
pcetra030965 7 months ago
Great guitar work , I thought it was Glen Campbell
gravano2 7 months ago
@gravano2 No, Louie is an excellent guitarist, but he is no Glen Campbell. At least, not back then. Glen's runs were a lot smoother than Louie's.
rayjr62 6 months ago
genious back then to incorporate horns into a rock song
bevanne12 7 months ago
Profe positive that Monkees have actual balls.
problem49 8 months ago
I just adored this song and I still do. Thank you for this stroll down memory lane. Great Post. Thank you.
0917gva 8 months ago
you are right ..louis is a big Carlos Montoya fan and i am sure this is where he got these fast riffs ...GERRY MCGEE of the VENTURES also did a lot of their work ..you know a lot of groups [ not just the MONKEES] used session men for the studio as studio time was very expensive and they just couldnt afford take after take and leaving it up to the groups for arrangements ..it took a lot of ''support ''to cut a record album even for the BEATLES ..
mlkemper 8 months ago
We used to play this on the juke box at the skate rink and had such fun going round and round to this kicky tune. My friend, Valane, was always mistakenly called Vallerie.
blueberries4ever 9 months ago
another boyce and hart coined song!
TheLadandLass 9 months ago
My very first girlfriend in Kindergarten was named Valleri in 1958. Thanks for the memories.
XPIOLT 9 months ago
My favorite Monkee's song.
bopava 9 months ago
Always loved this song. There are a lot of subsequent Valeries due to it.
northcoast69 9 months ago
March 30, 1968 - That's 42 years ago today ☺
YOUrmypal68 10 months ago 3
@YOUrmypal68 damm,,,, your good ,,,,i wouldnt got that,,,,,geez,,,, where the hell has the time gone, i wish i could go back for a just a few......
ltlieu61 10 months ago
First class drumming in this.....
mssusan1961 10 months ago
I forgot about this song, what an amazing melody, and how much FUN! Thanks for posting.
imaginativelads 10 months ago 2
The guitarist is Louis Shelton; Mike Nesmith just pretended to play the guitar in the "video". Yes, Louis is amazing.
Thathoodwink 10 months ago 11
@Thathoodwink Thank you for that bit of info on the guitarist on this song. I've wondered who it was every time I have listened to it. Thanks again! :D
samborez 8 months ago
@Thathoodwink You just docked down Mike's sexiness like 20 points. So sad
sydneysukkie32 4 months ago
FANTASTIC GUITAR!!!
BRASIL
estudante03 10 months ago
I always just loved the song "Valleri"; still sounding good. It is just so upbeat, and I guess it reminds me of being so very young. This was one that was guaranteed to make me turn up the volume! Thank you for a nostalgic post.
gva0917 10 months ago
Of all the Monkees, it's Michael Nasmith that strikes us with his quick fingered advanced lead guitar riffs for 1965-...Dan O'Niallain
spearofdestiny1965 11 months ago
Micky's voice in the background is good soooo gooooooood.
0:34 ftw
IrrationalTendencies 11 months ago
Louis Shelton is the guitarist.
rabe56 11 months ago
I DIG IT!!!
GIMMESHELTER50 1 year ago
If that is still Mike on the guitar, I am awed.
superk1a 1 year ago
My music appreciation is finally now in full swing for The Monkees. Had a hard time getting into the reruns of their show as kid & I was turned off by their 1986 MTV run as a teen.
bigD5172 1 year ago
I remember the Monkees from back in the day. I just hear both version of this song. The horns are better for Valleri. I heard the other one and did not like it. I bought the CD about 10 years ago for the other songs that I remember as a kid. But Valleri I really like a lot from the Monkees. Thanks for posting It!!!
uspsdt6 1 year ago
guitar is amazing!
reeree212 1 year ago 3
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valerawsome 1 year ago
I am Valleri & I was surprised when someone actually came up with a song with my name in it in 1967 when I was in high school☺ It was a little known song. I can't remember what the flip side of the single was but I bought the single for the flip side & tripped over "Valleri". There weren't many Valeries around then. The Valeries wers ALL spelled Valerie☺
valerawsome 1 year ago 23
@valerawsome - The flip side of Valleri is Tapioca Tundra but Valleri was the hit.
VinylNostalgia 1 year ago 5
@VinylNostalgia Thanks for the info but I hadn't heard Valleri yet & didn't get the 45 for that song☺ I must have been Monkee song illiterate☺☺☺
valerawsome 1 year ago
@VinylNostalgia can't imagine why lol
Msaprilconquest 10 months ago
@valerawsome Consider yourself lucky. My name is Cowsnoughkeybumsteinpastafazoola.
problem49 1 year ago
@problem49 I laughed so hard at this-just caght me right
electricsheep0191 11 months ago
@problem49
Your comment put me in a fit of hysterics that almost gave me a hernia.
Thanks.
I needed a good laugh.
(I'm still laughing.)
glaetze 11 months ago
@valerawsome My parents named me after this song (in '82), but also spelled Valerie :D Love the song btw!
velster82 8 months ago
@valerawsome He was probably singing the song to you.
planetcheck 6 months ago
@valerawsome ..My high school girlfriend was a Valerie . She actually penned in the E on the 45 rpm Label. Its the first thing I think of when I hear this song.
1979mackdriver 1 month ago
The absolute best song the "Monkees" ever made.
rpetrics 1 year ago
My wife, Sandy, heard this on the radio this morning and came home and asked me to find it on You Tube. She is standing next to me dancing and singing. She thinks it's "the coolest song."
ciarraibuzz 1 year ago
I really rate this song. I like the way it's written and the harmonies used. Plus it's catchy, and has that 'feel good' factor. Thanks for this.
katie7714 1 year ago
Monkees rule
KingPuddinsdaddy001 1 year ago
When they played this at the skating rink, we all danced on skates. Oh, those were the days.
blueberries4ever 1 year ago
Because in the mid-to-late 1960s I don't recall a Spiderman TV show, but there was the Batman TeeVee show. And so I wanted a Batman ween costume.
*sighs* being a kid in the 1960s was so cool. Half of the toys made in the 60's would get you arrested if you were playing in the front yard today. Toys were made of metal, and dangerous toys were all over the place, but seemingly not too many kidz got hurt playing or swallowing them. Stuff from the 60s was just plain Cool.
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
@DancingSpiderman Yes. There was a Spiderman animated cartoon which aired on ABC-TV within the Saturday morning schedule. The series original run was from 1967 to 1969.
hobokenplayboy 1 year ago
@hobokenplayboy OK, wow, I did not know that bit of Spidey knowledge. Thanks !
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
I cannot explain the memories that these songs bring back. Its like my life is missing something nowadays.
cyrussv 1 year ago
Louis Shelton: Thanks. I used to argue with friends that there was no way Mike Nesmih was playing those rifts. I got lots of laughs from the Monkees, I was in high school then. Yeah I'm a geezer.
crorivpro 1 year ago
I just used to remember they had a show that came on a while back but I wasnt born around the 60s or anything haha.
SpeakMyMind500 1 year ago
Louis Shelton tearin' in up on guitar on this cut.
ThePmfan 1 year ago
Nothing to say except this was my favorite Monkees' song. Not sure why other than it simply appealed to me and I loved the music. Thanks for this nostalgic post.
gva0917 1 year ago
NOTHING LIKE BUBBLE GUM ROCK
689321546 1 year ago
Ooooh chill people. Used to love the monkees as a kid, had a penpal (remember them) in the USA who was in a school band called the chimps playing monkees hits - how impressed was i. I even had a litle red double breasted corduroy jacket. Happy days.
modwolf63 1 year ago 2
@modwolf63 Oh how great it would be to go back in time
TiaGing 1 year ago
Could've been a Hot 100 hit 18 months earlier. A mono version cut for the TV show in the fall of 1966 escaped the recording studio and found its way to Chicago top 40 station WCFL, which put it on the playlist and charted it high during the 1966-67 holiday. WKBW and CKLW also played it. But Colgems never released that version, which is faster and has a cold end, as a single. This one is a total re-do in stereo with a fade end...and charted high in 1968. It's the one you hear now on oldies radio
BobWXXI 1 year ago
@BobWXXI i love the tune. there's a SLOWER version that used to be on youtube, and from what i see isn't up anymore. it was pretty cold.
wcfl, am 1000. if i remember correctly, the were the second a.m. music station to stay on all night, after wls-890am.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
wow, you just make stuff up, don't you. what led you to believe i'm 'mad'?
try and try to divert, you can't prove that you interviewed davy and micky and that they said 'the monkees had another group play ''''behind the curtains''' ''.
my only question is...why lie?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Neo, I want you to know this has been more than just a conversation to me - it's truly a work of art. Thank you for being my canvas.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger
seriously, back to your continued failure:
you can't prove that you interviewed davy and micky and that they said 'the monkees had another group play ''''behind the curtains''' ''.
my only question is...why lie?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
That's the single funniest thing about this entire argument, Neo - I'm not lying.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger fine...then prove it. see, truly make an ass out of me and give:
the call letters of your radio station;
the name of your show;
the date of the interview/interviews with davy and micky;
a link to the transcripts of the interview.
really, it should be quite easy. c'mon, REALLY laugh at me by simply providing the proof.
i mean, should i just believe you because you write i should?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Neo, I hope your perseverance serves some noble purpose someday - it ain't today, and trust me, you don't know what you're talking about. Let's be charitable and say you've been misinformed.
I thought my dripping sarcasm was quite plain when I expressed my level of interest in dox-ing myself, so why you continue to beg for it like some 49-year-old hooker is beyond me.
You're better off staying misinformed, Neo - I'm starting to feel like I told you there's no Santa Claus.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger LOL...you keep trying to divert, but i'm not gonna let you get off that easy.
you either can PROVE your claim that two of the monkees told you (and seemingly you alone) that they had other guys play 'behind the curtains' or you're a liar.
i'll let you sleep on that tonight...of course, you'll come back and 'get the last word' for the night. you need that, don't you?
be sure to kiss your g.i. joe doll (er, action figure) goodnight. he's where all your power comes from
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Here's something for you to sleep on, Neo:
Why do you think the Monkees, who were selling out concert halls nationwide and could have had their pick of opening acts, picked the one band on the planet who knew all their songs and sounded just like them to take on the road? Because they loved them in a manly Gayle Sayers/Brian Piccolo way and couldn't stand to be parted from them?
I know you're not a deep thinker, Neo, but that's why I'm here - to do your thinking for you.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger LOL...you can try and try to divert, but it STILL gets down to one thing you can never do, and that's:
provide your name, the name of your 'radio' show, the call letters of your radio station, the date of your interview(s) with davy and micky and the audio (or written) transcripts of the interview.
that way, i can go to their publicists/management firm(s) and confirm they said what you claimed they said.
if you can't do this, you're a liar.
see how easy it is?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Neo, I'm really starting to like you. True enough you're a one-trick pony with this insanity about me ID'ing myself, but I gotta admit, I can see where, in your alternate reality, offering me a choice between dox'ing myself or being a liar probably seems de rigueur. The truth is I'm not lying, Neo. You do know there are radio announcers in the world. You do know that someone does the job. One of those someones is me. Is that really too bizarre to believe?
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger wow, talk about one trick ponies...you maintain the lie, yet won't offer any proof of your mystery interview with davy and micky. one has to ask 'why'?
so be it. if you're not lying, why do you simply not produce the station, it's call letters, the city, the date of the interviews and the name of the show?
it's hard to believe because you've done nothing to make anyone reading trust you. you also are saying davy/micky went 180 degrees on a 44 year old story.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Rarely does one see such fierce devotion to a decades-old hoax, Neo. You're one in a million, pal.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger yeah, another failed diversion.
why not PROVE your claim that davy and micky told you that, 'yes, we didnt play our stuff onstage, and another group played behind the curtains'? i mean, YOU CLAIMED to interview both on a radio show.
soooooo, it should be beyond easy to post:
the station, number and call letters, am or fm;
the name of the 'show' that you interviewed them on;
the date/year of the interview
see, then anyone can go to their management to confirm.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
I don't know what else to do with you. I know you'll be busy, since this conversation has unearthed a minefield of personal shortcomings you obviously need to address immediately. But I gotta turn my back on you now, Neo. You're on your own.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger LOL...sure, you'll turn your back. can't prove you had that mythical interview with davy and micky.
that's okay. i guess you can't answer why you bothered to lie in the first place. hits too close to home, doesn't it?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
This is one of my favorite songs. I believe its their best
FanOfPopCulture 1 year ago
I've sometimes heard this song with a cold ending rather than the fade ending heard on the single here & on the "Birds, Bees & Monkees" CD. I wonder why the better cold ending wasn't chosen for the single & album. It's not like there was no room for the full ending!
tamspeci 1 year ago
Love this song. My dad named me after this song! Spelled exactly the same way, and made sure by driving back home before he signed the birth certficiate to check his album for the spelling, then going back to the hospital. =) Used to dance around the living room with my dad standing on his feet. Fun times for sure.
vallerikay 1 year ago 32
@vallerikay - Cute story Valleri. Thanks!
VinylNostalgia 1 year ago
@VinylNostalgia There,s nothing like the old time tunes 60,s an on bring it back ASAP.?//
goldwingman1500 1 year ago
@vallerikay Thanks for that great Dad story. I was Daddy's girl, too. We danced to the theme for Secret Agent Man!
vanpub 1 year ago
@vallerikay from one die hard monkees fan to your dad ,I love that.I dont know your dad but tell him i said ,hey hey ..
veilann 1 year ago
@vallerikay I named my daughter after this song too! But I wimped out and used the regular spelling! She is 28 now and we have always shared our love of music!
daddynamedmejanine 1 year ago
@vallerikay Funny you should say that; I named my second kid after this song, too! My sister and I were big, bad Monkee fans, and on Christmas Day last year, we started singing this together, just for fun. The girl named Valerie is in her late 20s now, but she'll listen to old R&R sometimes. Well she was standing and listening to us singing, and she said: "I'm going to go and find that song!" LOL! I don't know if she ever got around to it or not, though.
loveoldsongs 1 year ago
@vallerikay Yes - nice story, nice visual. Thanks for sharing, Valleri!
HickysBoy 1 year ago
@vallerikay I knew at least two Valeries in high school back in the day. One in particular. But we won't go into that.
LesbianVampireLover 1 year ago
The Monkees had some really good songs, and this is probably the best one. But I hate them passionately. When The Monkees came along, all of a sudden it didn't matter who wrote or played the music, as long as the image could be sold. And now, after decades of variation on and amplification of that theme, there's no music left, only image.
Seemed fairly innocent at the time, but now, it's easy to see The Monkees opened the Pandora's Box that killed rock and roll.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger well, it was not THEIR fault, but the producers. In fact, The Beatles (I think it was John) said: "The Monkees are the band we (The Beatles) want to be." Or something alike.
arielcardona 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger actually, that 'image thing' was there WAYYYYYY before the monkees. they just happened to be the first group to be publicly modeled after the the much worshipped beatles.
as far as 'who played the music', most groups (including the beatles) had sessions artists for the records. why? because in most bands, no matter how good you were on an instrument, there were dozens of sessions artists that could play better.
in no way did the monkees 'kill' rock and roll.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
You're exaggerating for effect. Occasional use of studio musicians by established groups doesn't compare, or offset in any way, the fact that the Monkees were not involved in the writing or recording of their music in any way at all other than Davey Jones' vocals.
There's a glaring difference in participating in the "image thing" and being 100% manufactured.
The music-buying public no longer cares about artistic integrity. That's why they get shit on a platter.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger actually, i'm not exaggerating, for affect or anything else. bands of that era (including 'respected' bands like the beach boys, the byrds) used sessions artist often, if not all the time. the beatles used sessions artists.
it's a business, plain and simple. and usually, sessions artists are better at their craft than the 'band' members are. no biggie. as long as the 'band' can play on the road...which, BAM, the monkees could.
your 'hatred' of the monkees is illogical
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger oh yeah, on 'more of the beatles', michael nesmith wrote 'mary, mary', and peter tork played guitar in the session. and micky dolenz was lead and background vocals. micky, mike and peter were trained muscians.
'headquarters' , 3rd album, and first they had control was number 1 for week (when 'sgt pepper' was released) , #2 for 11 weeks, and was DOUBLE PLATINUM.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger "Pisces Aquarius Capricorn and Jones LTD", second album where they had control, was #1 for five weeks, triple platinum and had two hits, including "Daydream Believer" (released prior to the album, but recorded during this time) and "Pleasant Valley Sunday".
side note: "The album is particularly interesting for the pioneering use of the Moog synthesizer, which Micky Dolenz introduced to the group and played in the studio; he owned one of the first twenty ever sold"
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger so even though YOUR OPINION is they 'get shit on a platter', as you're a nobody, that means nothing.
they're still making money from the music industry, have plenty of fans around the world. what do YOU have? oh, yeah, your opinion.
LOL
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
JFC, 4 rambling apologies from the president of the Milli Vanilli Fan Club? What have I done?
Enjoy whatever manufactured pop you want, nightmare boy, and don't let the fact that it's aimed directly at the prepubescent girl demographic embarrass you either.
I guess I'll just have to take comfort from the fact that while I am a "nobody" in the world of music, I am somebody who knows the difference between owning an instrument and playing it professionally.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger wow, you failed to divert from your statements which were baseless opinion. did we talk 'milli vanilli'? nope. try again.
no rambling, son, just facts. you can't WISH i was rambling in an attempt to dilute the truthfulness of what i said. that may work with high school kids, not with adults.
good you own and play 'professionally'. you're still a nobody.
i KNEW you were a muscian (of sorts) that hasn't gotten recognition. don't be bitter. enjoy your life, dude.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Way to totally miss the point, missing-the-point guy.
I'm not a musician. At all. Neither are the Monkees for that matter. And I don't wish you were rambling, I just wish you'd stop trying to convince someone who's about 500 times smarter than you that the Monkees are legit.
However, the story of them trying to BECOME legit after the TV show hit it big is certainly a parable worthy of Aesop himself, with their miserable failure, of course, being the required moral.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger actually, peter tork and mike neismith were both in folks groups. dolenz learned how to play the drums. davey jones was not skilled on an instrument, but he did sing. try again.
you claiming to be '500 times smarter' than me doesn't hold water when, if you're THAT smart, you could google information about the monkees. you just fucked up.
as far as them 'trying to be legit', how many groups can say they controlled the work of a double platinum and triple plat album?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Neo, I'm aware of all the Monkees' qualifications, or lack thereof. I'm aware to the extent that I don't have to Google anything. Matter of fact, I once interviewed Davy Jones and Micky Dolenz personally.
The question isn't "could they play instruments?" They could, though not well enough to perform their own solo's during live performances. The question is, were they talented musicians? Their body of work subsequent to the TV show, on their own, says they weren't.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger their body of work TO YOU allegedly 'says they weren't' talented.
however, others disagree.
dude, you don't like them, they get 'shit on a plate' (or something like that) from you...so why are you pushing it so? i mean, i like them and glad the song was posted.
you coming back trying to convince me (or others) that the monkees weren't good/talented/etc., won't work.
so we can go back and forth FOREVER... i like 'em, know the facts and won't change.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
"Pushing it so?" I'm simply responding to your vacuous rebuttals of my comment, which was directed at no one in particular, hoping to discourage future transgressions from the natural hierarchy.
I expressed my view, you expressed your contrary view. You're an adult with the musical purview of a 12-year-old girl. I'm not.
Essentially what you're saying is "Shut up and stop making me look stupid." Sorry, neocon, can't help ya. But you CAN do that for yourself.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger if looking up facts is 'vacuous', then what is it when YOU give baseless opinion and try to pass it off as fact. oh yeah...baseless opinion.
you then say childish, high school level things like 'you have the musical purview of a 12 year old girl'? LOL...translation: you're a bitter nobody that came on this video to say how much you THINK the monkees were lousy.
only thing i'm saying is if you're so sure about your OPINION, why keep coming back. i aint gonna change.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger by the way, how do you THINK (or pretend to believe) that i'm looking stupid.
i gave facts that are on the net. a double platinum and triple platinum album, with several hits between them on albums the monkees took control of. that's better than 99.999999999% of folks that get into the music business.
you can't counter that. you don't like the monkees, fine. you ain't changing the minds of those that like them.
now, you're stuck arguing a meaningless position. LOL
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Then again, why NOT keep coming back? Now and then one runs across an individual so determined to get in the last word, even though he really has nothing to say, that it's worthwhile to go ahead and shoot him down, for everyone else's benefit.
You are one such.
I'm not interested in the googly facts, I'm only interested in you, Neo - what character possesses a person to defend so vigorously that which can't be defended? Are you...really retarded? If so, I apologize.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger LOL...you're funny. you can keep coming back, but you know you're baseless.
you're the one determined to get the last word, and i may/may not allow you that. one thing's for sure, you want it BAD for someone that doesnt like the monkees.
LOL
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
I've decided to find your overuse of the "LOL" acronym charming and quirky, Neo.
I'll tell you what - if you say one clever thing, I'll let you have the last word. Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind, I have total control of this conversation and always will.
Happy Thanksgiving to ya.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger what you claim to find 'amusing' and 'overuse' is meaningless. what I FIND amusing is your alleged 'dislike' of the monkees, and your repeated attempts to 'convince' others they're bad.
not gonna work.
i gave you PROOF of them not being the 'no talents' you claimed. you can't get around it. your dislike of them is SUBJECTIVE. however, they are talented enough to control two albums that spawned four hits, one album going double platinum the other triple platinum. LOL
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger how sad, you need 'control'. well, if you THINK you do, good for you.
note: i'm going to take the last word anyway. nothing you do will change that. i may leave a week and come back. i may leave a MONTH and come back. the fact that i KNOW you want the last word is all i need.
bwahahahahahahahahahaha...you don't have control over anything else in life, so you won't start now.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Tell me, Neo, what does your name mean? Does it mean you're a Neocon, or the opposite? I'm trying to envision you in a political conversation and having a hard time with it. I mean, circular logic might prevail in an argument about a TV pseudo-rock band, if you were having that argument against someone who didn't know all the facts. But politico's are usually out for blood. Do you use the "LOL defense" or the "self-proclaimed victory" strategy when arguing politics too?
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger another diversion? i'm a 'neocon's nightmare'. you're trying to envision launching a logic based argument.
you said the monkees were not talented and not musicians. i pointed out:
1) they were musially talented, mike/micky/pete being musicians, (mike/peter having been in folks bands), and davy a singer. that is talent.
2) they were talented enough to play their stuff onstage, and have multi plat albums with 4 hits that they controlled.
thus, they had talent
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger by the way, since you're trying to divert by 'attacking' my 'LOL' (lame on your part) and playing 'pocket edition psychologist', i must ask this:
if you're so sure that the monkees were talentless and that i'm so lousy at debating the powerful and all rock knowledge you, why the desperate need for the last word?
why? casually said they were talentless, got pissed because you were giving proof they had talent, and you think you're intelligent.
trying to save face?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
I don't need the last word, Neo. I've already had it, you're in full rehash mode. I just like pushing your buttons because you're so adamant about defending such a silly little group of actors.
There's such an ocean of difference between being able to stand on a stage and play an instrument and being musically talented, it's probably pointless to try to explain it to you if you don't already understand.
Ever hear of a band called Candy Store Prophets, Neo?
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger thing is you're not pushing any buttons. if you think you are, good for you.
you said they had no talent; i showed they di.
you JUST IMPLIED they were not 'musically talented', yet i showed how mike, peter were folks artists.
never heard of candy store prophets, but i know the monkees were talented.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger you seem to think that you're some kind of 'be all, end all' when it comes to assessing talent in groups. you're not. you can delude yourself until hell freezes over, you've shown nothing that would make anyone gravitate toward that delusion of yours.
i dont like rihanna, and i PERSONALLY think she can't sing. however, doesnt matter to folks that like her.
if its 'pointless' to try and 'explain' your alleged genious when it comes to music, why try so hard?
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Candy Store Prophets were the band that played behind the curtain when the Monkees went on tour.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger really? they played behind the curtain?
'The Candy Store Prophets recorded the bulk of the backing tracks for the first Monkees album, and for the show's first season, with help from guitarists Louie Shelton and Wayne Erwin. When the Monkees began to perform publicly late in 1966, the Prophets toured with them as their opening act.'
OPENING ACT, not 'played behind the curtain'.
try again.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Oh Neo, Neo... There are 2 kinds of people in the world, Neo - the kind of people who get all their information from Wikipedia, and the kind of people who actually know things.
Do you know how I know the Candy Store Prophets played behind the curtain while the Monkees played on stage? Because Davy Jones told me they did when I asked him if it was true, and Micky Dolenz concurred. I had them on my radio show. It's quite common knowledge in music industry circles.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger how do you allegedly KNOW they played 'behind the curtains'? i can google that group and get the SAME INFORMATION.
oh, DAVY JONES told you? prove it. you have a signed affidavit from davy saying that? no, you don't. you can't PROVE davy told you that. nor can you PROVE micky dolenz 'concurred'. micky, in PUBLIC INTERVIEWS maintains he learned to play drums and the group played their concerts.
you're a liar. and a lousy one at that.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger 'common knowledge'?
damn, that's even MORE pathetic. that's like saying 'everybody knows'.
you've stooped to lying. you have no shame.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Some people know the truth when they hear it. It's nothing to me if you want to make a fool out of yourself, but I assure you I'm not the only person on the planet who has this information, how I got it is quite irrelevant, and it is an undisputed fact. You seriously think I'm lying about being a radio jock who interviewed the Monkees? Hmm, pretty sure I could come up with a better lie than that if I was trying to impress someone.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger lol...okay, i got one for you.
EVERYBODY knows that the cubans, the mafia and lbj all conspired to kill kennedy.
in fact, i asked joe 'the mafia guy that knows all the secrets' zambrano and he told me so. fidel castro and lady bird johnson concurred.
LOL
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger i think you are really pushing the issue that you don't like the monkees. instead of saying it's simply your opinion, you tried to 'make it real'.
you claimed they were nothing and no talented, and i responded with them having controlled two albums, one became double platinum, the other triple platinum. those two albums produced four hits. more than the vast majority of groups EVER get.
you then waited a day for you latest idiocy, an outrigh lie. you're pathetic.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
HAHAHA - you're a lot of fun, Neo. I almost wish you weren't so full of shit, I love it when people toss out words like "idiocy" and "pathetic" to avoid admitting they're wrong. So camp.
Nonetheless, it is a fact, easily-verified, that the Monkees were very borderline musicians and this was compensated for by the Candy Store Prophets playing behind the curtain at their concerts.
You're such a LOL-cow, Neo, I can't tell you how glad I am that you refuse to believe it.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger how am i allegedly 'full of shit', when YOU claimed to have interviewed davy jones and micky dolenz, and both said 'yeah, you're right, we're talentless'. i mean, publicly, ALL FOUR stated they played their instruments on tour...but YOU, they confided in YOU that they had another band play for them.
amazing.
and you expect me (and others) to believe that? bwahahahahahah.
why should i believe you? what proof do you have? you're a nobody on the net.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger oh yeah, how is it easily verified that the monkees are 'borderline muscians'? i mean, that's a subjective term.
oh, yeah...you didnt say 'borderline muscians' earlier. you said 'no talent'. now they've moved up to 'borderline musicians'.
they MAY be both, one or the other or neither. but they did CONTROL two albums, one that was triple platinum and the other double platinum. those albums had four hits. which is more than 99.99999% of rock groups can ever say.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger oh yeah...prove you had these alleged interviews with davy and micky, or you're a desperate liar.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago
@neoconsnightmare3
Neo, when I interview someone, I ask what I want to know. That's what I wanted to know from Davy and Micky, and they were honest. It's really no big secret to anyone but you. I control every conversation. Like this one. I'm a control freak.
Is that your final, parting argument - that I was lying about the interview? If I was it wouldn't change the fact that the Monkees had a band playing behind the curtain. Obviously your real issue is with me. And with the truth.
MultiNickDanger 1 year ago
@MultiNickDanger yes, i'm saying you're lying, since YOUR parting shot is you, a no name nobody, is claiming you interviewed to members of the monkees, and both said they never played their instruments on stage.
see, that goes COUNTER to everything all four members have been saying publicly since, ohhh, 1966.
you've given NO REASON why i should believe you.
you dont control anything, but obviously you wish you could.
try again, liar. or, do something new and PROVE your lie.
neoconsnightmare3 1 year ago