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  • Again, California. Land of loser leftist loonies who take drugs like they were candy.

  • seriously, after Obama forced a banker to resign, has taken over boards of banks, have forced banks to keep the money, you have the nerve to quote a patriot?

  • As opposed to our halfrican cocaine sniffing president?

  • Im just saying that...the more were honest these days the more they love us democrats. As soon as Bill clinton admitted he had an affair nd that he lied, his approval rating went up. U think were messed up...well the majority of the voters think that the right-wing is messed up!!

  • Honest? That's a joke.

    So you go do something horrible or stupid and just confess it and you get off without any punishment or responsibility? That was the thinking of Bill Clinton and John Edwards too.

    The majority of voters? You mean some stupid people who got scammed by the media into thinking Obongo was something other that what he truly is: an America hating stupid liberal

  • real classy response 60democrats. Then again, this is the way the liberals normally respond when they can't make a point.

  • If anyone was dividing America, it was dimwitted leftist losers such as you.

  • From ladylike to my profile:

    Aren't you glad that President Obama is doing such a great job in the White House? Thank God Americans will never put a Reptard back in. All you have for 2012 is Sarah Palin and it's the White House not White Trash. Women won't vote her in as dog catcher. We know she would just shoot the dogs, eat their meat and

    wear their fur. She hates animals with a passion. Shoots them all from her porch, etc.

  • Here's the great job you say Obama is doing:

    Sucking up to tyrants like Chavez and Imanutjob in Iran.

    Not defending American but bashing it instead. Except when the Obamunist defends himself but not his country at the summit of American.

    American now with highest deficits and debt in our entire history of existing as America.

    More abortions than ever under this abortion president.

    Unemployment up in 46 of 57 states as Obama says we have.

    And don't forget his bowing to the muslim King.

  • From ladylike to my profile:

    I guess you heard by now that Sarah Palin wanted to abort Trigg because she didn't think special needs babies were lovable. Plus, she was sick of having kids and no longer wanted to get pregnant. Unfortunately, she forgot to abstain from her husband and got knocked up. She was so afraid of getting caught having an abortion that she decided to have the baby and hand him over to a nanny. Baby daddy's are not important to Palin. She said that Levi is a good for nothing.

  • I heard that Sara Palin "thought" about an abortion but then faith interceded when her daughter told her she was pregnant. She could not be the hypocrite that liberals are, such as you, so she decided that having the baby was the right thing and she's been blessed by it.

    But then there's liberals: 300,000 babies aborted last year so they would not be "punished with a baby" as Obama says.

  • Nodem -

    I guess you heard the bad news Sarah Palin wanted to have an abortion but was afraid of getting caught She didn't think she could love a baby with special needs but then she realized she wouldn't even have to take care of him She hired a nanny to be Triggs mommy! Isn't Sarah special Also, she doesn't think a baby daddy is important. She wants us to know that her grandson's father, who is all of 18, is a good for nothing. Gee, I wonder why she let her daughter have sex with him?

  • Obama's Campaign paid $688,000 to attorney who threatened sanctions in eligibility lawsuit.

    It only costs $20 for a certified copy of a birth certificate. Why is Obongo paying $688,000 to not have to produce it? Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

  • and Barack Obama is a genius? If so, why is he keeping his grades a secret, just like his birth certificate? Why don't he provide proof what his IQ is?

    Why? because Obama got into Harvard because of affirmative action and for no other reasons. He was coke'd out most of the time at Columbia and his grades probably showed it.

  • scottbaggins,

    I see you are afraid of Sarah Palin as a candidate against the messiah Obongo.

    She believes in life, she loves her daughter and other children, she supports them in dire times, and she revealed the fact that Obama pals around with terrorists, a fact the media tried to keep hidden from all of us.

  • Yeah, and Congress, could you please stop the spending while you're at it!!!

  • ad19821,

    Does your mother know you're out of her dress and on the computer?

  • The CBO recently announced that Obama's budget will force us to borrow $9.3 trillion over the next decade. That's what's called UNSUSTAINABLE debt folks. And who, pray tell, do you Obama backers think he will come after to repay that debt.

    Hint: Look in the mirror.

  • I thought all you libs were for unwed mothers, strong women, bastard children, fucking, and porn.

    Oh, unless it's a Republican who is from a Christian family. Then you revert to your socialist, harpy selves.

    Circle snap snap back to you porno queen.

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    And who has too much time on their hands? Maybe you should get a job and pay for Obama's stimulus bill.

    Chains we could all live in.

  • How do you know that he has been telling the truth? What do you do for a living, that qualifies you to make these assertions? What makes you so sure that you know what's going on? You call Palin a nut job, but you're the one that makes decisions without knowing half of what you're talking about. There is only one truth, and sometimes it isn't the one that is most convenient for us.

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  • Prettiredd22,

    Frankly I'm sick and tired of liberal idiots picking on a 17 year old girl and blaming her mother.

    Believing you didn't mean anything about the bridge comment is like lipstick on a pig.

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  • Well, it didn't take very long for you to resort to your vulgar leftist looney libtard mentality, now did it?

    Now people reading this thread can see when you have no arguments, you resort to personal destruction (a la Bristol hatred) and to cursing (a la your vulgar and typical libtard responses)

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  • Again you are incorrect. I don't hate Obama, I hate his policies and his socialization of America. I also hate how every time you criticize, you get the race card.

    Unlike liberals who called President Bush names like Bushie, referred to him as a monkey, said he didn't win, called him Hitler.

    And I'm not the one making you respond now am I? But knowing liberals as I do, they cannot resist having the last word so I expect to hear from you again.

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  • Prettiredd22,

    I knew you couldn't stop yourself. You're a liberal and you just have to have the last word. But I'll continue to deny it to you, no matter how many times you respond. It will drive you insane...or more insane.

    And your excuse was just pitiful. You're standing up for blacks? Laughable!

    Everytime someone says something about Obama, it's racist. Always playing the race card! Well, get used to it because I plan to continue to bust Obama because he's half white.

  • Well, if your comments look stupid, then think about it. Yep, they are stupid.

    I'm hardly ranting and raving. That was you and that's why you removed your comments. So now all it means is that people will wonder what cursing and vulgar comments you made and imagine the worse. Brilliant.

  • Most of our allies in Western Europe practiece some form of Socialism and have major socialists and workers parties.

  • And most of the allies are in the same financial trouble as the United States under Obama. If they continue, they will become like Zimbabwi and Venezuela.

    The reason the United States has always been number one in the world is because everyone has the opportunity to make as much money as they can. But now, you lazy ass liberals want the rest of us to pay for you. Well, screw you!

  • Fact: The American Banking system was in a crisis last year. President Obama is trying the resolve the mess that was ignored for years by President Bush. My favorite quote from President Bush, "The Fundamentals of our economy is strong." He said this over and over until the economy almost collapsed.

    The "NO" Party aka the Republican Party are plentiful on complaints and whining, but no plans to resolve serious problems.

  • Actually the economy was fine until 2006 when the Democrats took over Congress. I wish President Bush had not bailed out anyone but Obama made it 4 times worse!.

    And the $800 billion stimulus was a real piece of shit covered in honey for Democrats who will be the only people who will benefit from that piece of crap.

  • And I'm grateful the Republicans said no to that smelling pile of dog doo The Republicans had alternative plans but the Nazi Pelosi didn't allow them to be presented.

    How many Congress people read that stupid stimulus bill? NONE!

    Oh, and Obongo's economic advisor said;

    "The fundamentals of the economy are strong."

    Hmmmm go figure!  And asshole, it was McCain and not Bush.

    Know your facts insteading of showing your stupidity.

  • HistorynotHisStory,

    Luckily America is NOT like the rest of the world!

    You can keep your socialism.

  • Prettiredd22's comment that she erased:

    Im not trying to have the last word. You sound like a child but it just hit me to erase my comments because arguing with you only makes me look stupid.

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  • Well, if you remove your comments, people won't know. I knew I would force you to put them back.

    You are so gullible.

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  • Oh, you don't socialism, do you? Who is going to pay for the babies that you insist be born the unwilling mothers? YOU ARE, MORON. As much as you would like to spit on these babies, women and democrats, especially will see to it that society takes care of these little ones. If you manage to get Roe v Wade overturned - you are really going to the poor house, paying for all of those babies, buster!

  • Lots of good parents that have the means to care for a child want to adopt, but they can't because too many kids are getting aborted. And, since there aren't enough kids, the fees to adopt are through the roof, and good parents have to jump through hoops just to adopt. I know, because I have seen good parents do those things because they really wanted to have kids but they couldn't.

  • ladylike1980

    perhaps the PARENTS should pay for their OWN babies instead of the rest of us having to pay for their own laziness (TOO LAZY TO USE BIRTH CONTROL) or their own stupidity (TOO STUPID TO KNOW HOW TO USE BIRTH CONTROL, or too hot and bothered during sex to even attempt birth control.

    I hope Roe v Wade is overturned. 300,000 babies killed by Planned Parenthood this past year. Very sad indeed.

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  • Black people who decry racism because of the color of one's skin, voted SOLELY for the Obamunist because of the the color of his skin.

    People now realize that Obama isn't keeping his campaign promises:

    anti-war nuts are mad he's wiretapping and sending more troops

    Young evangelicals realize he's the abortion president.

    Jews now realize that Obama will take the side of his muslim brothers against Israel.

    Dumb white people who thought they'd get free stuff, now realize they are not.

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  • You presented your opinion as if it were a fact. It was not a fact. You are on this thread bashing a young girl and a mother and you know NOTHING about it at all. Were you there?

    It's between Bristol and Levi and no one else.

    Why don't you just shut up since you are relying on experiences of your liberal friends.

  • gross income of $269,256 donated $1,885 to charity (7/10ths of 1%)

    That's what the Bidens gave to charity.

  • Oh, he was bullshitting? I don't think

    Bristol is the Virgin Mary. I think maybe

    he was telling the truth that perhaps once

    or twice they didn't practice safe sex. He didn't have to say it - I think we all sort of figured out that Bristol had sex with her boyfriend and didn't practice safe sex, Her stupid mother told her to abstain with her smoking hot boyfriend.

    Bristol's mother should be forced to take

    a parenting class.

  • ladylike: You are truly a demeaned person that spouts pure bullshit. Of course being from the far left this is just part of your natural demeanor. I hate to think that you might be a mother because what kind of a child could a fool like you produce? The world doesn't need anymore Charles Manson's.

  • "I hate to think that you might be a mother because what kind of a child could a fool like you produce?" I think the same about you. You fool. "The world doesn't need anymore Charles Manson's." How is this even relevant? It is not. But I guess rational thinking is too much to ask of a fool like you.

  • jillaroo: It was relevant to her rantings concerning Sarah Palin being an unfit mother, all of which were BullS...Before you call someone a fool you should try to get the facts first. I guess that makes you the fool.

  • bourbutwatmi -

    Oh, I'm pro choice for other women - therefore, I'm Charlies Manson? You

    reputards are something else!

  • You don't know every woman in the country, nor do you know the opinions of every woman in the country. Speak for yourself, not for others. Oh, and what, Bristol is the only guilty person in the relationship? Because it's every eleventh grader's dream to get pregnant, right? I thought that feminists were the ones who said that the guy needs to step up and be responsible, or maybe that's just when it's convenient.

  • There is NO WAY to pay for his multi-trillion-dollar spending orgy without increasing taxes dramatically on ALL taxpayers (soon to be a minority) or printing unprecedented amounts of worthless paper and calling it "money".

    Many ordinary people with little financial knowledge instinctively sense this to be true.

    But there is a larger picture. Obama's master plan is to foment crises and then "solve" them by incrementally seizing power over private enterprises and disfavored institutions.

  • 420captain,

    A little sensitive about your low IQ and inability to spell words correctly?

    Perhaps if you had stayed in school, you'd have learned what SOCIALISM is and what your butt boy Obama really is: a muslim-loving, big government halfrican who wants to destroy America and the principles upon which it was created.

  • Obama said, "2009 will continue to be a difficult year." He predicted more job losses, foreclosures, and gyrating stock markets.

    Obama defended actions he has taken in the face of criticism he has heard from Republicans — but also from some of the more conservative members of own Democratic Party — that he has "been spending with reckless abandon, pushing a liberal social agenda while mortgaging our children's future."

  • Of all the smears listed in the new DHS warning about "right-wing extremism," none are more dastardly and despicable than the insinuation that returning military veterans represent a security threat to the nation they willingly served.

    The Commander of the American Legion has sent the following letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano explaining to her that military veterans are not the enemy

  • You know what's amazing. Being able to speak and write intelligently are skills that are required in order to make it in this world. So, why is it that so many people fail to see the importance of being able to do so? Obama did win, and we all get that. The problem is that he has already abandoned a lot of his campaign promises, thus proving that he has no integrity. Without integrity, nothing works.

  • I'm not stopping Obama from doing anything. I'm not in his way. The fact that he has only been in office for three months makes it rather pathetic that he has already totally broken several campain promises. I am not talking about things that he hasn't had time to do. I'm talking about things he has already failed at, and can not change now. I already agreed that Roe vs. Wade probably won't be reversed, so it's time to move on. I don't get you, I agree with you and you're still complaining.

  • This is a continuation from my last post -

    You don't know all women, so that is a false statistic. True feminism is about equal opportunities, not about forcing women to do things that they may or may not want to do. Oh, and the "have it all" lifestyle the feminists are trying to push on people doesn't work. Sooner or later people have to make choices on what is more important to them. Oh, and for the thousandth time, I am not a republican, I am an independent. Obama has no integrity.

  • And you have made it painfully clear how much of a hypocrit you are, but that's between you and your conscience.

  • That's because welfare doesn't solve the problem. Throwing money at a problem doesn't solve the problem. That's one of the problems with democrats. They think that money solves problems. Money doesn't solve anything. Education has solved more social problems than money ever has. And throwing money at the problem with the education system isn't helping either. What we really need is to stop dumbing down the education system for the sake of self esteem.

  • What actually raises self esteem is when people work hard and succeed. So raise the standards in the education system, stop making children mindless drones who will blindly obey, and actually teach them to think for themselves. Oh, and allow people to have their own opinions and ideas. Allowing people to think is what allows people to move forward in life. I go with the theory of you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day, but if you teach a man to fish you can feed him for a lifetime.

  • Once again, you misread what I wrote. How about you try again, and then get back to me. I never said that any person was a problem. You were talking about poverty. Poverty is a problem. Please, try to follow the conversation. I know ADHD kids who do a better job than you. Welfare does not solve the poverty problem.

  • ladylike1980

    Thanks to the Obamunist, 50% of the country is paying for the other 50%, probably one of which is you so it's more than babies being born to parents who can't/won't support them. And why are these people having babies in the first place if they can't afford them?

    Oh yeah, you think aborting them is MUCH BETTER, don't you? Liberals...loonies!

  • 420captain,

    baring in reality?

    cant should be can't

    thats it should be that's it

    And yes, I obviously studied while I was in school.

    And to think, you're a typical Obama voter.

  • You fucking idiot, i know cant sould be can't. you fucking idiot. get a fucking clue retard.

  • In doing so liberals have rewarded individuals for poor behavior and turned unwed motherhood into a way of life, and with it comes all the perks of an individual who busts their hump working a 9 to 5 job. It's ironic that you now want to use unwed motherhood as the reason for abortions. I suggest that we hold everyone accountable for their own conduct. The cradle to grave entitlement mentality is what got us into this mess thanks to liberals like you. Just for the record I'm an independent.

  • Or maybe the baby has too many fingers and toes...or you don't want a child with red hair. Hell this could go on forever, so where should we draw the line? Remember, your line may be different than mine. When you start aborting children there is no end to the excuses used to justify it. But that doesn't matter to you, does it? Yeah, your from the "let's take the easy way out," school of thought. Trying to reason with people like you is a waste of time. So share me, I have a life to live.

  • nourbutwatmi -

    When Republicans all agree to support these fetus once they are born - ONLY THEN should they have any say on pro choice/anti choice issues! You have no intention of paying for these kids via welfare with your taxes. So, stay out it -

    you really don't care about them once they are born - it's all a bunch of lip service with you people.

  • ladylike1980

    I hate to inform you but Republicans, as you call them, do support the fetus once they are born. Republicans are the party of personal responsibility. They don't have babies they don't want, unlike liberals.

    And it's pretty obvious you're an unwed mother who is collecting unemployment. Why else do you have time to post such nonsence on YouTube. Are you Octomom?

    Liberals, party of porn.

  • ladylike: Let's see, if I don't support your position then I must be Republican, and it's the government's responsibility to raise the nation's children. To your chagrin I'm not a Republican nor do I believe that the government should be the sole provider for any family or child. The purpose of Government Relief was to give temporary assistance to families that fell on hard times. The liberals in the sixties turned that into the Welfare programs of today and created the Welfare State.

  • Detroit election officials have confirmed what an analysis of census and population records shows: Motown has more registered voters over the age of 18 than it has residents in the same age group. Detroits current population is estimated to be about 853,000. That includes 603,000 people over 18, which is about 30,000 fewer than the citys total of registered voters over 18.

    ladylike1980

    Do you still claim there was no voter fraud for your messiah Obama?

  • Actually, it has already been proven that Republicans give more charitable donations to people in need than Democrats. So once again, do your research. There was a liberal who tried to prove that Democrats do more, but he learned that Republicans actually do more, they just don't make as much of a show for what they do.

  • ladylike1980

    Here's what all Americans care about:

    Congress enacted a $700-billion financial bailout, followed by an earmark-laden $787-billion stimulus law and plans to ladle out $1.6 billion in federal government bonuses in 2009. Then came a $3.5 trillion red sea FY 2010 budget, and the prospect of $9.3 trillion in total indebtedness over the coming decade.

    Its more accrued debt than 43 previous administrations combined.

  • Even if he did "practice safe sex" all the time, someone still has to be the 1% fail rate...It's actually higher depending on what they used. Condoms are like 85%, pills are like 95-98%

  • 1)These teenagers are to young to be having sexual relations, and way too young to be parents.

    2) Why would this idiot Levi Johnson reveal all his personal issues to someone like Tyra Banks? Keep your damn private life private!

  • She didnt drag him anywhere dumbass. Thats the liberal media for you.

  • and you know everything don't you? who gives a fuck anyways haha. its all still liberal media. always in peoples fuckin business.

  • Thats a fair point, but my concern is that our media today becomes way too intrusive into peoples private lives for the sake of entertainment and ratings. I can't understand why people go on shows like Tyra or Oprah and spew their problems out for the world to pass judgement. There's some things that are better left personal.

  • ladylike1980,

    How many times have the Obama's paraded their poor daughters in front of the media....just about everytime he screws something up. They are an easy distraction.

    The economy is tanking and the Obama-loving media is talking about the dog the girls are getting.

  • kids are going to have sex regardless. get your heads out of your asses. it doesn't matter if parents know or not, teens experiment with everything. even if their mom is running for a government office. at least PALIN herself didn't have extramarital affairs like every DEMOCRATIC politician

  • that kid was awkward as shit

  • Palin USED Johnston to try to legitimize her daughter's pregnancy during the campaign, so how can he be judged as a sleaze ("trailer trash") when he tells the truth?! This boy is taking his responsibility to his son seriously. He will do better than Palin's daughter when chosing to settle down.

  • damn this is the first fucking ive heard someone having unprotected sex!!! DAAAMN

    douchebag brainless TV. get a fucking clue. no one give a FLYING FUCK about this shit.

  • Obama is only  present these days.

    Thats the best he can do.

    Ideally Id like to see him keep his mouth shut and get rid of all these socialistic policies so the economy could turn around.

  • Lol what a piece of garbage he is eh? Everybosy say vs how sad teen pregnancy is. But look at how girls get sexualized in our country. The pussycat dolls perform on stage at the nick awards in front of KIDS??!! Its sad girls are taught to be sexual, dress half naked...but when they get pregnant they are judged HARSHLY! But look at what we show and tell them.

  • White House is blocking TEA Party set for the Treasury in DC,. despite the demonstration already having been granted a permit.

    theZodiacDigital,

    Aren't you libs all about "free speech"? 

    So how do you like your messiah cutting off the free speech of those that oppose him?

    Isn't that a little more important than a young 17 year old girl who had sex with her boyfriend at the time?

  • 0bama spent more last Tuesday than President Bush spent in eight years.

    DemocRATs

    The Party of Tax and Spend

    Has become the Party of Spend and Tax

    Now thats Change we can believe in.

  • Who gives a damn?!?! Its just another teen pregnancy that has plagued this nation. The fact that it happened to a girl whose mother was running for vice-presidency it irrelevant.

  • I am the mother of three, and Prettiredd22 has no idea what he/she is talking about. Mothers don't always know what their teens are doing when away from home. While we do have eyes in the back of our heads, we cannot see behind closed doors miles away. As for Levi, what a piece of sleaze he is. What some trailer trash won't do for a nickle.

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  • It seems to be that Sarah Palin and her family are supporting Bristol and the baby. What business is it of yours?

    Why aren't you talking about the nasty little liberal son of a Tennessee congress person who got into the personal email of someone. I thought you libs were BIG on personal privacy. I guess not when the victim is a Republican.

    Hypocrite!

  • ROFLMAO!!!!

  • Im actually going to make a comment about the video and not about Democrats & Republicans. Anywho I think she did know they were getting it in. Moms just know and those who usually say they dont are also usually in DENIAL!

  • prettiredd22,

    You "think" she knew? So when does one "thinking" it's true actually make it a fact?

    I "think" you're a stupid idiot so because I "think" it, then it must be true.

  • It's a little sad that people don't think abstinence is possible...

    I'm 19 years old, I've had opportunities to have sex and I still haven't. I'm not a virgin for religious reasons, I just don't think my life should revolve around, "OMG am I pregnant this week?".

  • Bristol should of been a champ an just offered to swallow hahahahahaha

  • "Often the term 'debunkery' is not limited to arguments about scientific validity. It can also be used in a more general sense at attempts to discredit ANY OPPOSING POINT OF VIEW, such as that of a political opponent."

  • Isnt that just like the libs to push their sexual agenda in schools, but pretend outrage over Bristol

    Be ashamed

  • Sexual agenda in schools? You mean actual sex education instead of abstinence only sex ed which has produced the highest teen pregnancy rates in the industrialized world, higher rates of abortion, and all of these other social ills that actual education can help prevent instead of laughable scare tactics that teenagers don't take seriously?

    No, we just knew the Levi and Bristol will get married thing was political shill all along and ended with the election.

  • hahahahahaha

    Isnt that just like the libs to try to justify their actual true sexual agends in shcools!

  • Yeah... Well, I'm not really what you would call a liberal. But, when it comes to topics like sex education, I suppose one way of justifying it would be statistics concerning teen pregnancy, std rates, and abortion rates. Or have conservatives stopped caring about abortion and teenage health?

    I don't care if it's the "liberal" or "conservative" position, but I do care if it works. How lovely, really, that you would laugh down statistics and an evidential position on the basis of ideology.

  • Yes, to be honest, the justification should be what we're worrying about... what else determines the value of a conclusion?

    No, I don't think that teenage pregnancy, std's, and abortions are topics for laughter. They are serious issues, and if you gave half a shit about society, you would concern yourself with the justification before you spout off your opinion.

  • Ah, yes, but thats exactly what the true agenda is.

    More unwed teen moms make for more lib votes, and more lib indoctrinated babies to continue the sexual agenda.

    ruining lives for political power. be ashamed

  • What are you, retarded?

    Abstinence only sex-ed hasn't been producing more stable marriages (and when it does, young couples tend to be poor and require aid programs, which is also a liberal demographic, by the way). It doesn't help conservatives either way.

    No, it's about cutting teen-pregnancy, std, and abortion rates... We have the highest rates among young people, because teens will have sex, end of story, but they should know how to protect themselves.

  • No, its about making more libs to keep them in power/. They ruin lives by CREATING poor single teen welfare moms.

    THAT IS THE TRUE AGENDA

    BE ASHAMED

  • "They ruin lives by CREATING poor single teen welfare moms."

    Have you heard nothing? Abstinence only sex education has been producing more of these than actual sex ed, such as in Europe.

    YOU'RE SUPPORTING IT.

    For all of your talk about a "true agenda," you've failed to realize that the "true agenda" would help conservatives more than liberals, because we would cut pregnancy rates significantly. Married young people tend to be democrats too, especially poor ones, with kids, who need diapers.

  • Actually, neither form of sex education is working. If you knew anything you would know that. See, both forms of sex education leave out a huge chunk of information. They either tell you that sex doesn't exist, or they pass out condoms and abstinence isn't even an option. Until both sides are willing to compromise and combine their efforts the pregnancy rate among teenagers will remain the same. Oh, and the south has a higher teen birth rate, not necessarily a higher teen pregnancy rate.

  • "They either tell you that sex doesn't exist, or they pass out condoms and abstinence isn't even an option."

    No, that's not really the case at all. Abstinence is always "an option," the point is that it isn't abstinence only, and the emphasis is that if you're going to do it, you should have access to contraceptives and condoms along with information concerning what condoms do and do not protect against.

  • I have lived in a conservative and a liberal state. Abstinence is not an option in liberal states, because they assume that you're just going to have sex anyways, and in the conservative states they won't discuss condoms or birth control at all. Either way, you're left getting half the information. On one side your condemned for having sex, on the other you're condemned for abstaining. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

  • I would disagree with anybody who has condemned abstaining, and I haven't actually heard of that as being part of any comprehensive sex education. But, if that is the case, I would agree that abstinence should be considered an option.

    Comprehensive sex ed should include all of the major options. Then again, assuming the kids are going to have sex anyways isn't that far off, but it's not like they're forced to have sex or it's seriously presented as the only option.

  • But, I will agree that neither form of sex education is a fail-safe or an end all. There are cultural differences between ourselves and Europe which correlate positively with these issues aside from sex education, so no, I wouldn't pretend that that's the total solution.

  • Wrong. I suggest you read "Abstinence only vs. comprehensive sex education: What are the arguments? What is the evidence?" which clearly demonstrates that comprehensive sexual education works in birth rate reduction and reducing STDs

  • I've read it, and experienced it, and I'm telling you, that both sides aren't working. I have seen the same pregnancy and STD scares on both sides. And, once again higher birth rate does not mean higher pregnancy rate.

  • And the sad, sick thing is, is that even if you were right about sex ed helping liberals (which you are not), you're prioritizing political ideology over THOUSANDS of lives, THOUSANDS of abortions, and the health and wealth of young America.

    I feel no shame in condemning you. You're a sick person, since you feel that votes for YOUR side are more important than lives.

  • It's actually conservative ideas such as abstinence only education and lack of sex ed that leads to more out of wedlock children. Just look at Bristol and Levi, one was in a conservative family and the other was poor, a double whammy. It's really no wonder that Western Europe has a higher quality of life than us.

  • Abstinence only sex-ed, if anything, increases the number of young couples dependent on state aid...

    Abstinence only has been breeding liberals. Our "true agenda" would probably do more to help conservatives. But regardless of the politics, the health of our young people should be the priority. Putting politics (and incorrectly) before health and safety is a foul thing to do.

    You should be ashamed. You couldn't give a damn about health because you think it'll help "libs' to help kids.

  • What in the hell is wrong with this country, when the "moral majority" is so bent on positively immoral doctrine? To seriously think that to you, your flawed idea that sex education will produce liberals is a reason to continue denying proper education to our children which has been leading to higher levels of pregnancy, abortion, and disease.  To think, really, that political ideology is more important than human life.

    What a disgusting thing to say. What an awful creature you must be.

  • I never said that, but, just like a lib, there you go TWISTING WORDS TO SUIT YOU.

    I didnt speak of abstinence, and I didnt speak of sex ed.

    I said the true sexual agenda of the libs for schools is to produce more unwed teen mom libs, who will produce more lib indoctrinated babies just so they can stay in politicial power.

    THAT'S WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!!!.

    BE ASHAMED

  • "I didnt speak of abstinence, and I didnt speak of sex ed."

    What other sexual agenda is there in schools?

    "I said the true sexual agenda of the libs for schools is to produce more unwed teen mom libs, who will produce more lib indoctrinated babies just so they can stay in politicial power."

    Something you can repeat to yourself all you like, but you've failed to provide any evidence for.

    "THAT'S WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!!!.

    BE ASHAMED "

    No, I'm afraid idiots are, like you.

  • You'll also notice that I said I'm not a liberal.

  • Youre not very good at this.

    Clouding the issue didnt work, so, just like a lib, you devolve into name calling.

    Be ashamed

  • It's not name-calling, but an accurate description of reality. You meet the definitions.

  • And there you go, just like a lib, justifying your haborent behavior devolution.

    Be Ashamed

  • First of all, from you, being called a lib is a badge of honor, if you would consider that to be the opposite of yourself.

    "haborent" isn't a word.

    Not at all ashamed.

  • If the best defense you have is to pick on a typo, youve got nothing.

    Be Ashamed

  • As I keep repeating, you haven't even made a point or done anything remotely close to supporting your repeated bare assertion considering liberal sexual agendas.

    You haven't done anything except make typos and repeat "be ashamed." You've made it clear that you consider political ideology to be more important than public health. You've shown a complete disinterest in supporting your position or even demonstrating the existence of the object of your disdain.

  • MrBillTroop73 are you for or are you against abstinence only education? If you support it can you site specific examples of it working? The bible does not count and peer reviewed scientific studies would be preferable.

  • That is a different topic from what I am discussing at the moment.

  • He's not interested. He hasn't even bothered to show me where liberals supposedly stated their goals to produce unwed young mothers to create little liberal indoctrination factories. He hasn't presented a single form of justification, so I don't suppose that asking him for peer reviewed research will get very far, as he probably doesn't understand what scientific research is.

  • It's amusing how you continue to cloud the issue at hand.

  • Ah, I was talking about nutty Bill. If what you were saying is true, it would be news to me. I was agreeing with you, actually, that we certainly shouldn't exclude abstinence as an option in sex education, not at all.

  • I know who you were talking about. See I can follow a conversation. But I also know what you're doing, because I'm an intelligent human being.

  • Well, enlighten me, what issue am I clouding?

  • Well, you started by claiming that "Nutty Bill" was in favor of abstinence only sex education, which he never said. You continued going down that road so far that I responded to it merely to show you the flaw in your argument. You also attacked him over a typo and continued trying to cloud the issue in order to confuse people so that they will agree with you thinking that you must be intelligent because they're so confused. It's what college textbooks do. Have a nice day.

  • "Well, you started by claiming that "Nutty Bill" was in favor of abstinence only sex education, which he never said."

    This is true. I did make that assumption, as it was the only topic that had any relevance to his previous comments, and he did seem to validate that assumption. I'm not sure what else the "liberal sex agenda" could have been referencing, especially considering his comments about producing unwed single mother liberal indoctrinators.

  • "You also attacked him over a typo and continued trying to cloud the issue in order to confuse people so that they will agree with you thinking that you must be intelligent because they're so confused."

    I ridiculed him because he refused to do anything outside of repeating "be ashamed" instead of returning argument. As for the flaw in my argument, I agreed with you that we shouldn't exclude abstinence in sex education, but that sex education should be comprehensive and informed.

  • Thank you for admitting that you were wrong.

  • I'll admit that I assumed that's what he was talking about, and I still think it was a valid assumption, considering that it's the only issue remotely relevant to his statements.

  • That almost sounded sincere. But thanks for admitting you were wrong.

  • I've not admitted I was wrong, as I think that my assumption was valid and verified by his later comments. Also, you didn't establish that I was clouding the issue, which was your claim.

    I asked him for justification for his position, not the abstinence only issue, but his claim concerning the liberal sexual agenda. After he continued to call shame on me, I insulted him and made fun of a typo.

    For this, I do not apologize.