Anarchists Chant

[FORMETOKNOWONLY]

Anarchist, ARA, Blackbloc et al are the enemies of America and freedom.

Wake up, America!

[SyndicalistTimes]

@FORMETOKNOWONLY

you are your own enemy, fool.

[AceSkepTik]

How can you have that kid holding your sign? That's disgraceful. He's WAY too young to have formed an opinion on such a complex topic. I hate people who use their children like this.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@AceSkepTik

ahh shut up, there are plenty of you right-wing retards who brainwash your children to hate non-whites and to be douchebags. At least this kid is peaceful and making a positive statement about a serious issue. Most kids think 'war is cool', this one doesn't, and that is awesome in my book.

Quit your whining!

[AceSkepTik]

@SyndicalistTimes "Punk Rock and Anti-Fascism"?  HAHAHA! You're the coolest, Fonzie! What a dork.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@AceSkepTik

you're real smooth with your old fashioned portrait of some historical person.

Why not actually make a decent argument against me instead of being a coward?

Fuck off and get cancer you stupid cunt

[AceSkepTik]

@SyndicalistTimes: Right...make a decent argument against "right-wing retard". Crawl back into mommy's basement, you fucking DORK.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@AceSkepTik

ahahahahahha I simply stated basic facts.

OH NOES you called me a dork twice, I'm SOOOO offended HAHAHAHAHAHA

idiots like you are a dying breed :)

[AceSkepTik]

@SyndicalistTimes: I can tell it burns you or you wouldn't have mentioned it. And you wouldn't have made that page, trying to make yourself look like a badass. Punk rock and anarchist?? get serious, you fucking loser. What are you, 12 years old?  Dork.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@AceSkepTik

man you really are stupid, aren't you?

it says PUNK ROCK, because I upload punk rock albums on youtube.

Anarchists outnumber and outsmart all of you right-wing freaks.

[AceSkepTik]

@SyndicalistTimes: Like I said...12 year old dork.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@AceSkepTik

200 year old throwback :D

[SyndicalistTimes]

@AceSkepTik

you are an obvious fascist shill.

If you were a real libertarian then you'd realise anarchists have common ground with libertarians. You are simply an obvious imbecile.

[AnAnimal224]

(to dismungus) the societal pressures would dictate your behaviour, would you continue to attemt to mingle or socialize with people who hated you outright?

how would your life continue if the only person in your community who knew how to properly perserve your food would refuse to perserve it? that is how anarchist society dictates behavior patterns

[7514328]

Former Marine who believes women should be at home making babies and keeping my apple pie warm.

[BankRampage]

Making babies with who?

[7514328]

With their man. I know of too many men and women who are bankrupting their lives with this workaholic mentality. Married to their careers. The more women that stay at home having babies, the more secure the familiy is as a whole. Those damn banksters got everyone fooled.

[freebird199]

no what about the rights as females?

[bl00dproductions]

WHAT!FUCK THAT SHIT!

[SyndicalistTimes]

@7514328

workers are the people with the real power, and women have just as much right to be workers as men. Please rethink your silly argument.

[dingusmungus]

You guys obviously have little understanding about what anarchism actually entails. Anyone would be able to sell any product or service for any price. There would be zero regulations and zero oversight. You need a state to enforce your silly rules where everyone shares and has a voice. In a anarchist society you would have to produce a good or service that you would exchange for other goods and services, but god forbid you acknowledge that trade is a form of capitalism.

[jackriter]

You're going to need a state to protect property.

[dingusmungus]

No you don't, you just need to occupy the property you own. Yeah if you want to own huge tracks of land and multiple homes, then you would want a state to protect what you could not, but if you live in a house and own a car it would be just as it is now. But obviously I don't think people should be able to own too much. I don't agree with people and corporations owning everything around us. You can own what you need and use, but anything beyond that would be up for grabs.

[jackriter]

I mean private property, not personal, so yes you're right.

[dingusmungus]

So we agree on what property is then, because anarchy dictates no other entities except individuals. In the commun/social-ist fake anarchy all people would have a say in how I could use my property to generate wealth or goods.

I believe that anarchy implicitly means I can produce any good or service and exchange it in any manner I see fit. Fair or unfair, currency or goods, unlicensed, unregulated, untaxed, and without need of anyone's consent.

[jackriter]

Sure, as long as you don't deny someone of producing or accessing their needs.

[dingusmungus]

So if I live outside of an anarchist community, and my cattle are the only ones to survive a disease that strikes the local population, then: do you believe the community has a right to my cattle? You can replace the word cattle with: clean water, electricity, crops, and shelter.

Unless I give them "cattle" for free, they will suffer and someone might even die.

Basically do you consider refusal to take care of others the same as denying "someone of producing or accessing their needs"?

[jackriter]

Would you really withhold the cattle while your neighbors are starving?

[dingusmungus]

How much do I have? Is it just enough for myself and my family? Do even I have extra? Who needs it?

Did they farm the corn that feeds the beef? Do they transport it for me? What have they produced for us? If the answer is nothing except more mouths to feed, then yes I let them starve because they are a hindrance to the community.

Only those who who I rely on, can rely on me. Even the people that are relied upon, by people I rely on, would get help from me, but not just anyone and everyone.

[zlass55]

But in an anarchist society everyone works to upheld the community meaning they would have helped you transport the food osv.

[dingusmungus]

Who enforces that? The people? Who gave them the right to annex property from other individuals? If I decide to share with some one, it would be because it was in my best interest. Which means yes I would help my community.

But assume I said "NO" I would not share with anyone despite my surplus. How would the community enforce socialist aspects of the "law"? There is no agency or set of laws to dictate behavior in anarchism.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@dingusmungus

"There is no agency or set of laws to dictate behavior in anarchism."

There IS organisation, take a guess at how we would treat some hoarding greedy fucktard.

[dingusmungus]

@SyndicalistTimes

Hmmmm... Let me guess:

The same way all fascists deal with political dissidents?

Shoot me, take all my shit and do it in the name of the greater good...

The funny part is... If you just worked hard enough to own some land of your own you might identify with what I'm trying to explain and not even need what I have, or instead have something to trade. I know thats not what you want though... Land, responsibility, a life of labor. Racketeering makes more sense I guess.

[SyndicalistTimes]

@dingusmungus

yep, you're going to the gulag.

[BankRampage]

Please don't do anything rash to hurt the system, like running on the banks or deliberate property devaluations. That would give folks like you too much power against the system.

[poopballz50]

That little kid rules. Soon enough he will be tossing molotovs through the precinct

[dingusmungus]

I <3 BlackBlock. It's too bad they tend to favor socialism/communism or they would fit right in with the constitutionalists militias and the like. That's a duo of dissenters you wouldn't want to fuck with.

[god0fmusic]

i thought black blocs were done mainly by autonomists and anarchists?

[dingusmungus]

I can only go by the interviews I've seen. If blackbloc and antifas are related or similar groups... I know I've seen an interview or two where a lot of them identify themselves as anarchists, but when probed with questions about the governments ideal role in society they tend to fall in to the socialism spectrum, and some of them identify themselves as communist.

[god0fmusic]

well, it might be. anarchists tend to prefer a socialist government over a capitalist one, so that could explain part of it.

im basing my argument on what i have read on wikipedia. and the fact that black represents anarchism.

[aussieanarchist]

alot of anarchists are anarcho syndicalists, or in other words anarcho-communist. these anarchists believe in stuff like organised trade union type society similiar to socialism, this may be the point of your confusion

[dingusmungus]

@aussieanarchist

Translation: alot of anarchists don't know what anarchy means.

[KenCat1337]

lol Constitutionalist militias..

And no, most black bloc participators are of the anarchist, zapatista or autonomist philosophy.

If it was state socialist, I would suppose they would call it a red bloc.. lol

[dingusmungus]

So why do they march against corporations and free trade then? After all protesting specific companies, the WTO, and other non government organizations leads me to believe that they are anti capitalism... In a world of no governments there are no rules to stop unchecked free markets. Perhaps you can help me see the division more clearly.

[KenCat1337]

Anarchists are opposed to both "free trade" and "fair trade" for neither are free or fair.

"Fair" trade is control of the market, making it oppressive to trade industries while lowering exploitation.

"Free" trade is no control over markets, so markets are free, though exploitation is high.

Anarchists are for democratically run business, where all have a say in things -- no government control, no exploitation.

[dingusmungus]

LULZ... Democratically run business, where all people have a say in things -- no government control, no exploitation, AKA equal, unprotected, unenforced, free share in all companies?

ROFL! Hey can I borrow your car dood? Don't worry I'll bring it back real soon. Worse case scenario you can call the... Oh wait that's right no cops, but even if there were police you couldn't own property. So does your father own a business of some sort I need some money please.

[KenCat1337]

Dingusmungus, it has worked in the past in Spain.. No cars were stolen, no chaos broke out, etc.

You're obviously not educated in the field in which you pretend to know about. Go read about anarchist philosophy, or just read. You might learn something.

[dingusmungus]

I would say the same to aussie and you. Anarchism is directly supportive of bartering, free market economics and capitalism. It's rule structure is more decentralized to a near tribal or communal level, but it's still capitalism. Communities provide for their citizens via barter of goods. In true anarchism their is no requirement to share, nor be "fair" in your trades. Let me know if I'm wrong.

[dingusmungus]

I also respect Spain's attempt to maintain decentralized village-level organization, but they where only prolonging the power vacuum it created. I for example support deregulation of markets and services because I believe in elements of anarcho-capitalism. You should really read up on the events of 1936-1939. It was the Communists and "liberal" Republicans that shattered the anarchist revolution in Spain. Just as you guys are doing in ideological terms now. Anarchism is nothing like communism.

[MarxBakuninMe]

"Anarchism is directly supportive of bartering, free market economics and capitalism"

Not really. Capitalism needs a state to exist.

[KenCat1337]

Anarchism has never, ever meant capitalism. The few individualist or market-oriented anarchists even oppose it.

[aussieanarchist]

anarchism is anti-capitalist, we are not denying that. why argue that it is when everyone knows it is

[ryanshaunkelly]

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[matthrms]

Anarchists generally want no form of state or government. When there is no government, there will be unchecked violence. You can deny this until you are blue in the face, but it has been proven time and time again.

You honestly believe that without government people will just get along right?

[KafkaCrow]

"You honestly believe that without government people will just get along right?"

Um, not really. If the state and government were to disappear right away, there probably will be unchecked violence. However, most anarchists don't want this. In Spain, where there was a highly successful anarchist experiment; it was spontaneous or out of the blue, but the result of a lot of hard work and solidarity.  And where does anarchism keep failing, exactly? Most places on earth have governments or -

[KafkaCrow]

- at least forces wanting to be the government. Anarchy (i.e., or idea of it) will not be achieved overnight.

[pianoplayinfool]

Anarchists with a total IQ of about 40....Useless bunch of people, with no direction, or clue as to what they even want...they just show up to be assholes for a pointless cause!

[jbfirstdown22]

Couldnt agree more

[KafkaCrow]

Where's your analysis here, exactly? All anarchists have "no direction"? Doesn't wanting a better world mean you have direction?

[davep224]

What kind of sick twisted fuck brings a small 3-4 year old child to a political protest, shoves a sign in his hand and videotapes it?

That right there tells you all you need to know about these deranged losers.

[davep224]

What kind of sick fuck brings a small 3-4 year old child to a political protest, shoves a sign in his hand and videotapes it?

That right there tells you all you need to know about these deranged losers.

[111888aaa]

Who's streets? Our streets! The only thing is most of them don't pay any taxes and see nothing wrong with theft, as long as it's from an evil corporation. Grow up and get a job, if America sucks so bad then fucking leave!

[matthrms]

These people would be the first to go if they actually got what they wanted.

funny isn't it?

[adrianneleighg]

"...Thomas the tank engine and U.S. out of Iraq."

Ha! Very nice!

[Dalypics]

WE ARE THE WORLD AND WE ARE WATCHING!

Thank you UpTakeVideo.

[mazter1224]

I didnt hear any chants. I think its funny how the anarchists hate the government that gives them the right to protest. In many countries around the world they would just be shot.

[DorothyDandrich]

the people marching are working to re secure our freedoms.

Put your head phones on maybe you can hear better

[jnoble12]

I'm tempted to ask what you can't do anymore that you used to be able to 7 years ago...

[DBtv]

Live without the fear of illegal search and seizure, for one thing.

[DorothyDandrich]

I can't carry a pocket knife in my purse any more.

I can't buy fuel for private automobile any more. The last truck I had, the Bulgarian gypsy, siphoned the gas out it..hence I won't even try to protect a vehicle any more, people will steal the fuel. Every time I have taken a long trip..My luggage gets rifled and medicine gets stolen out of my bags.I don't cross the border into Canada anymore, as getting searched ruins my day

siphoned the gas out it