First, the government has no role in issuing bailouts to anyone, period. Second, Congressmen are unfortunately paid by the corporate special interests that funded them into office in the first place (and provably too). Third, Congress' tyrannical actions (especially as of late) testify to too much "cooperation;" nevermind the fact that members now admit to not reading the bills (like the 2001 Patriot Act). If you could reply, I'd appreciate it.
As a fellow Korean American....I am so embarrased by this scripted, fake and not-well-rehearsed speech. Btw, at least she's smart enough to keep the tellepromter off camera.
she should have named it the Kimchi Party, Coffee party is such a joke. The only real change of politics in the USA, is that theyre missing the facts! GET RID OF THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM, GET RID OF THE FED, GET RID OF SERVING TIME EACH SENATOR GETS TO 3 YEARS AND THEY CAN ONLY RUN ONCE, BRING POWER BACK TO THE STATES
i think Park should focus on the plague of racism in s. korea and the "dog cove" the million of dogs being beaten to death with baseball bats, I can tell you this that this "coffee party" is a JOKE. A big joke, i think park should stick with making videos because coffee is not going to change the politic machine system.
Parties will always exist. So, it's not about eliminating your right to assemble, or right to choose a party, but expanding your selection. In an idealist world, we will all be independent, but in reality, democracy makes it hard to be independent with "majority rules". So, it's important to bring all the ideas to the table. The real problem is if each party can get ballot access, and if elections are run fairly. Because in my eyes, the more parties we have, the more independent we all are.
I agree with your comment, but the Coffee Party exists to undermine the tea party, here we have 2 parties, just like we have a 2 party system the rep and dem. The reality here is that the coffee party brings nothing new. Park was Obamas campaign volunteer whose Facebook rants against the tea party launched the coffee party movement, so we have tea for rep and coffee for dem, SAME OLD BULL. Again if we want to take the country back the only way is to boycott, massive protest and uprising.
Well, I have no problem them mobilizing against the Tea Party. And I have no problem seeing Tea Party people mobilize against Repubs and Dems. That's is the whole point of changing the status quo. However, if each party can't find their own candiates to represent them, and instead support either Dem or Repub, then it's all pointless.
At the end of the day, I think the two-party system has held this country, and many other countries, hostage. It's just a glorified monarchy.
yeah, a 2 party system is not a democracy, we can not say "pick one of the lesser two evils" its ridiculous, and its evidently clear that its a huge problem in this country and we can see it clearly that no 3rd party candidate can participate in the presidential debates because the whole debate system is a fraud. There's no end in sight unless all citizens wake up and demand the country back because the way the country is headed looks a lot like how Rome fell.
I don't believe the solution is boycott the election process. Unlike our founding fathers stuggle with England, we can vote. So there is no need for a revolution, in fact we would more than likely get tranny out of it instead of a better from of governance; that's what happened to the French revolution. Instead dialog of ideas and support for quality candiates is all that is needed. It's simple, and it's what people didn't spend anytime doing before they casted their votes before.
@Venue0309 Oh, please....it has already been proven that the electoral system is basically rigged, especially with the advent of electronic voting machines. The best move that people can make in this arena is to withdraw their sanction & do something else (anything else) on "(s)election" day (like talk to their neighbors on virtue & the evils of the state. Please watch "The Truth About Voting."
"it MIGHT be that we have fiscal conservative solutions ...but we can't discuss those because we are so divided."
Huh? You won't talk about these non redistribution of wealth ideas you MIGHT have because we are so divided??? Like circular logic much? Oh wait! it's a ruse... I get it.
"we are comfortable with the changing demographics"....ok, you're not racist. Congratulations. What else exactly is the PLATFORM? Can't say the Constitution, because you don't follow that. Can't say increasing the liberty of the individual, because your increase government classification of people into groups and then proceed to redistribute rights and property based on those groupings in the name of "social justice".
@WinstonAug Good analysis...yeah, even though I understood her overall message, some particular statements (such as the ones you've already pointed out) were blatantly illogical, unfortunately. Annabel Park could have done such a good job being a moderate, but not even that comes through well. I thought at one point she was going to say "trust the government."
To answer your question - No I don't think the government can help us solve the problems that we are facing. After all, they are the ones who got us into this mess (which is where we probably disagree).
I used to be a progressive until I realized that the problem is the government. Less government = less problems. Our government and ALL governments are corrupt.
Wow, this thing is going viral. Current count, 346!! I cannot believe I couldn't see it before. The government isn't the problem, it is the solution. We should give everything we have to the government, and they will take care of all our needs. When this isn't enough, they can just continue to print money. How foolish I have been. I actually thought it was good to work hard and take personal responsibility. I thought I knew what was best for my life. Thanks for the enlightenment.
I am not a TPer but this so-called coffee-party has no substance whatsoever and was set up for the sole purpose of neutralizing the TP movement, which in its inception really stood for real change - you know Change - that which Obama promised but has NOT delivered!
The CIA contractors you have spyying on us such as Arbitron, MANTA/SRA International, and many others such as Blackwater,Ahem XEservices! That is your base, OBAMA=Bush 3
Ms. Park You say nothing of any weight at all in this video - sort of like drinking a cup of coffee - tastes good but the substance just ain't there. We know you are a past and present OBAMA ZEALOT.
Well all sorts of folks are interested in the coffee party, but the characterizations popping up here are interesting. "Zealot", "undermining", as if having a another opinion which isnt in lock step with the TP is unpatriotic. What is the substance of that? Enough bullying already.
Not sure if your intellect is subtle enough but let me say it again:
This video, which is like a 'plank' for a political party, says absolutely nothing about what this so-called coffee-party stands for. Is there one thing here of substance?
Re your comment about my intellect - let me say THIS again: enough invective, enough insults. That isnt debate - it's bullying. We're all American & we all care - but we can disagree & be civil, we can even be friends. Calling Ms Park a zealot says nothing.
So, Republicans are obstructionists because they refuse to embrace a Health Care Bill that was crafted behind closed doors without their input and were later part of a staged event to make it look like said Bill contains their ideas!
Ms. Park is a former Strategy Analyst at the NY Times who was one of organizers and operators of the United for Obama video channel on YouTube. A Google Search will reveal that Ms. Park organized the Coffee Party for the sole purpose of undermining the Tea Party.
A google search will reveal no such thing. There's a new silent majority in America, not represented by wingnuts on either the right or the left. That, for me, is what the coffee party is about.
A simple Google Search will reveal that Ms. Park organized the Coffee Party for the specific purpose of undermining the Tea Party movement. Here are a few CNN interview quotes:
- "I was angry at the media attention focused on the Tea Party movement"
- "It's a response to how [Tea Party members] are trying to change our government,"
-"We may want some of the same things, but their journey is so alienating to us."
What I see is a desire to have a voice. Undermining is in the eye of the beholder. The shouting by which TP-ers express themselves is not debate, it's bullying. The TP can & will go on with or without the CP. I disagree with much in current Dem politics, but it sickens me to see the agenda being driven by bullies.
Fair comment. I am equally disillusioned with the Republican Party. Moreover, I don't believe that the Tea Party is representative of my beliefs although I agree on their core principles; especially smaller government. My frustration with the Coffee Party is the bias the mainstream media has shown towards the group vs. the early coverage to the Tea Party.
What does the Coffee Party represent exactly? We already know that the founder worked for the Obama campaign so it's hardly an independent movement. The Tea Party WAS an independent movement until phonies like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin moved in to claim it as their own.
@PresidenteCamacho I second the above remark....PC, don't know where you are from but I'm deep in the zombie land dominated by the democrat-zombies...and it's begining to creep me out!
Apparently the Tea Parties do represent America, being that's where the "Majority" of REAL Americans flock too! America is not, nor has it EVER been a Socialist/Progressive ideology. In fact, up till the last 20 years or so, Americans understood quite well what Socialists were & what they represented. The Coffee Party is where indoctrinated sheeple who have no understanding of America, it's values, or it's Constitutional Republic, flock to. WAKE UP SHEEPLE, time is running short!
Right Wing pundits are essentially high functioning retards adept at indignantly repeating propaganda fed to them by rich people and their thinks tanks.
This is true DarkLord! However, the contrary is true also! Anyone who clings to the R/L is a foolish sheep, who can't fathom living a life free of Government intervention. Both sides scream for more Government, which in itself is counter active to what America truly stands for! While you're all screaming & debating R/L the Tea Partiers are out here trying to push the Government back into its place. You idiots don't seem to get this & attack the Tea Parties, because the media tell you to! Sheep!!
Libertarian socialism is sometimes called socialist anarchism and sometimes left libertarianism is a group of political philosophies that aspire to create a society free of coercive hierarchies. These hierachies can be either government or big business. The reality is that there is an invisible government (the one that preaches that big government is bad) that are the coercive hiearchies that libertarians talk about, i.e health insurance companies.
Really DarkLord? So by pushing for the abolishment of the Federal Reserve is the agenda of a hidden, hidden shadow Government? Yep, sounds about right. LMAO! Come on dude, most of the original Tea party people want to reestablish a "Constitutional Republic." This means the Government does it's job & upholds the laws when the big business crowd chooses to break them. It's your boy Obama that's setting these Insurance Tycoons up for life! Don't listen to the speeches, read the legislation!!
"Obstructionism, extreme political tactics that are fear-based, not reality-based, and in many ways just deliberate misinformation."
This really strikes a chord with me when I think back to the Aug 2009 town-hall meetings when my own senator was lying to everyone, using these very tactics. I was sickened by his actions and confused. How is it I have voted for him for so very long? I no longer respect or trust him.
What Anabel has to say resonates with me. We need civil debates, not fights.
Coffee groups and the soup/kitchen groups should join their movement more regularly. Communication is the only way we must use to evolve our democracy. Barbarism rolls our societies back to failed civilization. Please don't let our kids to repeat our bad history, our bad experience. Please evolve!
Stay engage and active, America. Let intelligent and humanity that we trust to evolve us for this new era.
What an annoying woman, she is not convincing and I do not trust this pseudo party at all. I like the Tea Party, they represent me, not this coffee party want to be.
@PureSoapCleans Tea Party, from what I understand began with Ron Paul. Please correct me if I'm incorrect. But now even the Tea Party has been infiltrated by the fake right wing puppets like Palin and Beck.
Brilliant! I attended the local kick-off meeting this morning here in Bernal Heights & the agenda included reading the Preamble to the US Constitution, which prompted a perhaps rhetorical question for Glen Beck: Should the phrase "promote the general welfare" be included in the Constitution?
The problem is that progressives take that one phrase and claim that it means the US federal government has unbridled power as long as they are "promoting the general welfare". The US Constitution was never designed to be that VAGUE. It is a specific set of powers given to the federal government. No more, no less.
It doesn't mean a president can claim to institute mandatory health insurance because it "promtes the general welfare". The Constitution was designed to RESTRAIN gov.
My fault, my fault! I dashed that note off in haste. It was written in reaction to Mr Beck's advice that Americans leave their church if it has the words social justice on its website. I was hoping to illustrate the limits of the jingo-ism & hyperbole spewing from the "fair & balanced" network (news? ha!) & the tea party idiocracy it has spawned.
Funny you should mention health care (I didnt). But to restrain government properly, medicare should be privatized. Will you get on board with that?
To "Promote" General Welfare & to "Provide" General Welfare are two completely different things. This Country was not found on the idea that you take one persons hard earned money & give it away to someone who has none, that's why we have charities. If people would go back & read the very specific instructions left for us by the Founders, then they'd understand that "Welfare" is quite unconstitutional! America is about being free & responsible for ourselves, not a free ride for lazy people.
And no, I do not like the Tea Partiers, since it has been proven that they are controlled opposition, especially via Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin.
sleepysalsa 1 year ago
First, the government has no role in issuing bailouts to anyone, period. Second, Congressmen are unfortunately paid by the corporate special interests that funded them into office in the first place (and provably too). Third, Congress' tyrannical actions (especially as of late) testify to too much "cooperation;" nevermind the fact that members now admit to not reading the bills (like the 2001 Patriot Act). If you could reply, I'd appreciate it.
sleepysalsa 1 year ago
i support Obstruction, when things like alcohol tax, gambling laws, tobacco tax, sales tax, and so on, are the 'solution'
breal45 1 year ago
As a fellow Korean American....I am so embarrased by this scripted, fake and not-well-rehearsed speech. Btw, at least she's smart enough to keep the tellepromter off camera.
nmssis 1 year ago
This is a CoIntelPro...people, don't fall for this and the Tea Party has already been penetrated by the same instigators.
Why? simply to keep us bounded by the lef/right wing paradigm since Dem/Rep parties have been discredited.
nmssis 1 year ago
she should have named it the Kimchi Party, Coffee party is such a joke. The only real change of politics in the USA, is that theyre missing the facts! GET RID OF THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM, GET RID OF THE FED, GET RID OF SERVING TIME EACH SENATOR GETS TO 3 YEARS AND THEY CAN ONLY RUN ONCE, BRING POWER BACK TO THE STATES
solimiansky 1 year ago
You have the right ethnicity at least. Countless others have attacked Annabel for being "Chinese." (=
coffeepartyusa 1 year ago
i think Park should focus on the plague of racism in s. korea and the "dog cove" the million of dogs being beaten to death with baseball bats, I can tell you this that this "coffee party" is a JOKE. A big joke, i think park should stick with making videos because coffee is not going to change the politic machine system.
solimiansky 1 year ago
Parties will always exist. So, it's not about eliminating your right to assemble, or right to choose a party, but expanding your selection. In an idealist world, we will all be independent, but in reality, democracy makes it hard to be independent with "majority rules". So, it's important to bring all the ideas to the table. The real problem is if each party can get ballot access, and if elections are run fairly. Because in my eyes, the more parties we have, the more independent we all are.
Venue0309 1 year ago
I agree with your comment, but the Coffee Party exists to undermine the tea party, here we have 2 parties, just like we have a 2 party system the rep and dem. The reality here is that the coffee party brings nothing new. Park was Obamas campaign volunteer whose Facebook rants against the tea party launched the coffee party movement, so we have tea for rep and coffee for dem, SAME OLD BULL. Again if we want to take the country back the only way is to boycott, massive protest and uprising.
solimiansky 1 year ago
Well, I have no problem them mobilizing against the Tea Party. And I have no problem seeing Tea Party people mobilize against Repubs and Dems. That's is the whole point of changing the status quo. However, if each party can't find their own candiates to represent them, and instead support either Dem or Repub, then it's all pointless.
At the end of the day, I think the two-party system has held this country, and many other countries, hostage. It's just a glorified monarchy.
Venue0309 1 year ago
yeah, a 2 party system is not a democracy, we can not say "pick one of the lesser two evils" its ridiculous, and its evidently clear that its a huge problem in this country and we can see it clearly that no 3rd party candidate can participate in the presidential debates because the whole debate system is a fraud. There's no end in sight unless all citizens wake up and demand the country back because the way the country is headed looks a lot like how Rome fell.
solimiansky 1 year ago
I don't believe the solution is boycott the election process. Unlike our founding fathers stuggle with England, we can vote. So there is no need for a revolution, in fact we would more than likely get tranny out of it instead of a better from of governance; that's what happened to the French revolution. Instead dialog of ideas and support for quality candiates is all that is needed. It's simple, and it's what people didn't spend anytime doing before they casted their votes before.
Venue0309 1 year ago
@Venue0309 Oh, please....it has already been proven that the electoral system is basically rigged, especially with the advent of electronic voting machines. The best move that people can make in this arena is to withdraw their sanction & do something else (anything else) on "(s)election" day (like talk to their neighbors on virtue & the evils of the state. Please watch "The Truth About Voting."
sleepysalsa 1 year ago
Imitations are not as successful.
MrDrProfessorJrMD 1 year ago
Man, this video got fragged.
Garboth 1 year ago
"it MIGHT be that we have fiscal conservative solutions ...but we can't discuss those because we are so divided."
Huh? You won't talk about these non redistribution of wealth ideas you MIGHT have because we are so divided??? Like circular logic much? Oh wait! it's a ruse... I get it.
WinstonAug 1 year ago
"we are comfortable with the changing demographics"....ok, you're not racist. Congratulations. What else exactly is the PLATFORM? Can't say the Constitution, because you don't follow that. Can't say increasing the liberty of the individual, because your increase government classification of people into groups and then proceed to redistribute rights and property based on those groupings in the name of "social justice".
WinstonAug 1 year ago
@WinstonAug Good analysis...yeah, even though I understood her overall message, some particular statements (such as the ones you've already pointed out) were blatantly illogical, unfortunately. Annabel Park could have done such a good job being a moderate, but not even that comes through well. I thought at one point she was going to say "trust the government."
sleepysalsa 1 year ago
FAIL
cheekygbh 1 year ago
To answer your question - No I don't think the government can help us solve the problems that we are facing. After all, they are the ones who got us into this mess (which is where we probably disagree).
I used to be a progressive until I realized that the problem is the government. Less government = less problems. Our government and ALL governments are corrupt.
cheekygbh 1 year ago
Wow, this thing is going viral. Current count, 346!! I cannot believe I couldn't see it before. The government isn't the problem, it is the solution. We should give everything we have to the government, and they will take care of all our needs. When this isn't enough, they can just continue to print money. How foolish I have been. I actually thought it was good to work hard and take personal responsibility. I thought I knew what was best for my life. Thanks for the enlightenment.
johnsonthebaptist62 1 year ago
Thanks, for encouraging me to join the tea party at the end. I will do that now.
Mr666Bruno 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This woman is a diehard Obama supporter.
A simple google search reveals this:
Right on YT: /watch?v=b1v2aG-QMls
I am not a TPer but this so-called coffee-party has no substance whatsoever and was set up for the sole purpose of neutralizing the TP movement, which in its inception really stood for real change - you know Change - that which Obama promised but has NOT delivered!
robran53 1 year ago
The CIA contractors you have spyying on us such as Arbitron, MANTA/SRA International, and many others such as Blackwater,Ahem XEservices! That is your base, OBAMA=Bush 3
jayskind 1 year ago
When some idiot calls himself or herself a "REAL" American right there the conversation ends.
afromosaic 1 year ago
Ms. Park You say nothing of any weight at all in this video - sort of like drinking a cup of coffee - tastes good but the substance just ain't there. We know you are a past and present OBAMA ZEALOT.
robran53 1 year ago
Well all sorts of folks are interested in the coffee party, but the characterizations popping up here are interesting. "Zealot", "undermining", as if having a another opinion which isnt in lock step with the TP is unpatriotic. What is the substance of that? Enough bullying already.
guitardork54 1 year ago
Not sure if your intellect is subtle enough but let me say it again:
This video, which is like a 'plank' for a political party, says absolutely nothing about what this so-called coffee-party stands for. Is there one thing here of substance?
robran53 1 year ago
Re your comment about my intellect - let me say THIS again: enough invective, enough insults. That isnt debate - it's bullying. We're all American & we all care - but we can disagree & be civil, we can even be friends. Calling Ms Park a zealot says nothing.
guitardork54 1 year ago
So, Republicans are obstructionists because they refuse to embrace a Health Care Bill that was crafted behind closed doors without their input and were later part of a staged event to make it look like said Bill contains their ideas!
Ms. Park is a former Strategy Analyst at the NY Times who was one of organizers and operators of the United for Obama video channel on YouTube. A Google Search will reveal that Ms. Park organized the Coffee Party for the sole purpose of undermining the Tea Party.
jvandewoude 1 year ago
A google search will reveal no such thing. There's a new silent majority in America, not represented by wingnuts on either the right or the left. That, for me, is what the coffee party is about.
guitardork54 1 year ago
A simple Google Search will reveal that Ms. Park organized the Coffee Party for the specific purpose of undermining the Tea Party movement. Here are a few CNN interview quotes:
- "I was angry at the media attention focused on the Tea Party movement"
- "It's a response to how [Tea Party members] are trying to change our government,"
-"We may want some of the same things, but their journey is so alienating to us."
jvandewoude 1 year ago
What I see is a desire to have a voice. Undermining is in the eye of the beholder. The shouting by which TP-ers express themselves is not debate, it's bullying. The TP can & will go on with or without the CP. I disagree with much in current Dem politics, but it sickens me to see the agenda being driven by bullies.
guitardork54 1 year ago
Fair comment. I am equally disillusioned with the Republican Party. Moreover, I don't believe that the Tea Party is representative of my beliefs although I agree on their core principles; especially smaller government. My frustration with the Coffee Party is the bias the mainstream media has shown towards the group vs. the early coverage to the Tea Party.
jvandewoude 1 year ago
WTF! Right on YT: /watch?v=b1v2aG-QMls
robran53 1 year ago
What does the Coffee Party represent exactly? We already know that the founder worked for the Obama campaign so it's hardly an independent movement. The Tea Party WAS an independent movement until phonies like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin moved in to claim it as their own.
This coffee party is a joke.
PresidenteCamacho 1 year ago 8
One thing it represents is civility.
guitardork54 1 year ago
@PresidenteCamacho I second the above remark....PC, don't know where you are from but I'm deep in the zombie land dominated by the democrat-zombies...and it's begining to creep me out!
nmssis 1 year ago
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aliencrap 1 year ago
Hey lady, the people representing us ARE THE PROBLEM. Thanks, I'll be here all week.
aliencrap 1 year ago
Sorry you can not have open debate with someone who insults you or is holding a gun.
afromosaic 1 year ago
Apparently the Tea Parties do represent America, being that's where the "Majority" of REAL Americans flock too! America is not, nor has it EVER been a Socialist/Progressive ideology. In fact, up till the last 20 years or so, Americans understood quite well what Socialists were & what they represented. The Coffee Party is where indoctrinated sheeple who have no understanding of America, it's values, or it's Constitutional Republic, flock to. WAKE UP SHEEPLE, time is running short!
applejelly2 1 year ago 2
Right Wing pundits are essentially high functioning retards adept at indignantly repeating propaganda fed to them by rich people and their thinks tanks.
DarkLordCallMeDickC 1 year ago
This is true DarkLord! However, the contrary is true also! Anyone who clings to the R/L is a foolish sheep, who can't fathom living a life free of Government intervention. Both sides scream for more Government, which in itself is counter active to what America truly stands for! While you're all screaming & debating R/L the Tea Partiers are out here trying to push the Government back into its place. You idiots don't seem to get this & attack the Tea Parties, because the media tell you to! Sheep!!
applejelly2 1 year ago
Libertarian socialism is sometimes called socialist anarchism and sometimes left libertarianism is a group of political philosophies that aspire to create a society free of coercive hierarchies. These hierachies can be either government or big business. The reality is that there is an invisible government (the one that preaches that big government is bad) that are the coercive hiearchies that libertarians talk about, i.e health insurance companies.
DarkLordCallMeDickC 1 year ago
Really DarkLord? So by pushing for the abolishment of the Federal Reserve is the agenda of a hidden, hidden shadow Government? Yep, sounds about right. LMAO! Come on dude, most of the original Tea party people want to reestablish a "Constitutional Republic." This means the Government does it's job & upholds the laws when the big business crowd chooses to break them. It's your boy Obama that's setting these Insurance Tycoons up for life! Don't listen to the speeches, read the legislation!!
applejelly2 1 year ago
I agree, End the Fed.
The insurance tycoons are already set up for life (and a few lifetimes hereafter).
What specifically is in the bill that you havea problem with?
DarkLordCallMeDickC 1 year ago
"Obstructionism, extreme political tactics that are fear-based, not reality-based, and in many ways just deliberate misinformation."
This really strikes a chord with me when I think back to the Aug 2009 town-hall meetings when my own senator was lying to everyone, using these very tactics. I was sickened by his actions and confused. How is it I have voted for him for so very long? I no longer respect or trust him.
What Anabel has to say resonates with me. We need civil debates, not fights.
jzmet 1 year ago
Coffee groups and the soup/kitchen groups should join their movement more regularly. Communication is the only way we must use to evolve our democracy. Barbarism rolls our societies back to failed civilization. Please don't let our kids to repeat our bad history, our bad experience. Please evolve!
Stay engage and active, America. Let intelligent and humanity that we trust to evolve us for this new era.
beancube2010 1 year ago
What an annoying woman, she is not convincing and I do not trust this pseudo party at all. I like the Tea Party, they represent me, not this coffee party want to be.
PureSoapCleans 1 year ago 4
@PureSoapCleans Tea Party, from what I understand began with Ron Paul. Please correct me if I'm incorrect. But now even the Tea Party has been infiltrated by the fake right wing puppets like Palin and Beck.
nmssis 1 year ago
Brilliant! I attended the local kick-off meeting this morning here in Bernal Heights & the agenda included reading the Preamble to the US Constitution, which prompted a perhaps rhetorical question for Glen Beck: Should the phrase "promote the general welfare" be included in the Constitution?
guitardork54 1 year ago
@guitardork54
The problem is that progressives take that one phrase and claim that it means the US federal government has unbridled power as long as they are "promoting the general welfare". The US Constitution was never designed to be that VAGUE. It is a specific set of powers given to the federal government. No more, no less.
It doesn't mean a president can claim to institute mandatory health insurance because it "promtes the general welfare". The Constitution was designed to RESTRAIN gov.
PresidenteCamacho 1 year ago
My fault, my fault! I dashed that note off in haste. It was written in reaction to Mr Beck's advice that Americans leave their church if it has the words social justice on its website. I was hoping to illustrate the limits of the jingo-ism & hyperbole spewing from the "fair & balanced" network (news? ha!) & the tea party idiocracy it has spawned.
Funny you should mention health care (I didnt). But to restrain government properly, medicare should be privatized. Will you get on board with that?
guitardork54 1 year ago
To "Promote" General Welfare & to "Provide" General Welfare are two completely different things. This Country was not found on the idea that you take one persons hard earned money & give it away to someone who has none, that's why we have charities. If people would go back & read the very specific instructions left for us by the Founders, then they'd understand that "Welfare" is quite unconstitutional! America is about being free & responsible for ourselves, not a free ride for lazy people.
applejelly2 1 year ago