@razerzpeed Now, that would be acceptable, with proper medical personel who are experianced as well as equipment to make sure that any problem could be handled and every safety measure was taken. Prisons have little medical care for pregnant woman as it is and arn't experianced with it, they need to learn how to handle these things with protection for Everyone, including the baby.
@DaniMovieWarrior I guess you have totally abandoned the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Loads of Trained People and advanced equipment should be just Sittng in place waiting just in case a person breaking the law comes by and is in need of it? SHE has not one IOTA of responsibility to make a decision to keep her and her baby safe? (at home) No matter what she does...Its OUR responsibility to save her? Who would you Curse had she died of Heat exhaustion in the desert..baby and all?
@razerzpeed What the heck are you talking about? I'm talking about the child. No matter what She's done, the baby shouldn't die due to neglect of medical care. And though she did land HERSELF in prison doesn't give Us the green flag to just neglect all medical care for her, if people are gonna be charged with animal cruelty because they didn't take their dog to the vet then what the heck are we doing letting proper medical care slip away from prisons? Criminal or no, they're NOT animals.
Im just going to put this issue to rest...for myself.....Look I feel bad that she had to suffer through a bad experience...but I stand on the fact that she CHOSE to put herself in the SITUATION that could bring that about. She could have stayed home...then she would have had her baby "just like her other four" FOUR? Why the hell keep having em when you cant afford em? If she could afford them...then why illegally enter another country? Im sorry she went thru that...next time stay home.
It sounds to me as if this woman was attempting to use her pregnancy/baby as a shield for her illegal actions. Would you (apologists) be happy had they allowed her to have the baby in a jail cell (but unhandcuffed of course) and then deported both of them? Or would that not be acceptable as well? The answer to that question will tell ALL.
@razerzpeed Justice should be done, but not at the risk of the baby's health, cuffing a woman in labor and delivery can cause serious complications. In the end the baby could be getting the punishment not the mother, and in turn our own morallity is in SERIOUS question.
@DaniMovieWarrior Your reply is only intended to "whip up emotion" I honestly dont see how handcuffing a woman will stop a baby from coming out. but you are saying OH MY GOD..SHE WAS HANDCUFFED!!
Do you think she didnt know she was illegally coming here? (let me be clear...Its my understanding that 1arm was handcuffed to the bed) That shouldnt harm anything. Since her baby is now an american...and thats what she wanted...keep the baby..adopt it out and send her home.
@razerzpeed Handcuffing a woman in Any way restricts movement, if the baby was caught behind the pelvis the woman has to be able to move freely to give birth, and it's not like she comitted a violent crime of any kind. A woman is not an escape or violance risk when they are in labor, it's completely useless and only harmful.
@DaniMovieWarrior Ok...I agree with you that they should have let her have the baby freely in a cell and then put her in jail and adopted out the baby.
It's evil, the deshumanization of these guards, these cogs in Arpaio's cruel machine... Don't these people have sisters, mothers, nieces, aunts??? I believe in Karma, and really hope these guards re-lean to be human before it's too late. Research shows that given a bit of power over others, humans can become sadistic and cruel in a matter of days. That's why we have always to be vigilant, to catch ourselves from being caught in a mental web of hate and racism like some of the commenters below.
Being undocumented in the US is equivalent to a civil violation, after July 29, a misdemeanor like a traffic violation, according to you everybody who has committed a trafic violation is a CRIMINAL...YOU ARE PROBABLE ONE OF THEM...HOPEFULLY ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD WHILE YOU ARE HANDCUFFED...YOU ARE YACHTZZUUUP ....REMEMBER EITHER IN THIS LIFE OF THE NEXT ONE YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS, YOU WILL BE JUDGED LIKE OR NOT...IGNORANT, INHUMANE, EVIL...CRIMINAL!!!
@lindaherrera27 If you are found guilty of a traffic violation you indeed are a criminal. However the penalty is simply a fine so your point makes no sense. I don't see why it is so hard to follow the law and stay out of jail.
@yachtzzuuup THE KID DIDN'T DO ANYTHING YOU MORON! Before you go off saying "Welll, she did this..." crap you might wanna read up on how DANGEROUS that could have been for the baby, nopt only that It Didn't Say She Was Guilty Of ANY Charges!
I would like to know exactly what missjocelyn and thenCmomma would like to have happened with this woman. I feel for anyone who doesnt get treated properly. But Azlefan is somewhat correct ...had she stayed home...that NEVER would have happened. Why would you go somewhere that you were unwelcome to have a baby and then complain that you werent treated good.
@razerzpeed Doesn't "get treated properly" She was fucking chained like an animal and treated worse than one. Even animals are not chained down when giving birth, and if anyone was found to do so to a bitch (female dog), they would probably face charges. But because she is brown skinned she is treated like garbage....this is an utter and complete outrage, and what is even more sickening is the actual support a few sickos here are giving this horffic act.
@medicvet In all your "emotional talk"....I didnt find an answer to my question.
Why dont you just come out and say how you really feel...that mexicans....or (any other ethnic group) should be allowed to do here what is illegal in the rest of the world (including Mexico). To illegally enter and take resources from another country. Try going to Canada or Korea or China or Germany or MEXICO illegally and see what they do to you.
@razerzpeed Here's the thing. I don't want to know about what other countries are doing because I don't live in those countries and I don't vote in those countries, nor did I serve in the Army of any of those countries. I am here in the United States of America, and what I see going on in my country, all the hate mongering and bigotry, it saddens me...and calls me to action. 1070 is not about "justice", it is about marginalizing brown people, and quite frankly, it sickens me.
@medicvet Ok Medic vet. Is there justice in the status quo? Are you as passionate about that? Do you leave the front door open to your house to allow anyone in to come and raid your fridge, use your computer, bathroom, tv and facilities and not say anything to them for fear that you may be called unjust, or perhaps a racist? You DO vote in your own household....and correct me if I am wrong...but I dont think you "vote" to allow the above described situation.
@razerzpeed I am all for enforcing our borders, and I think it is wrong to post warning signs on public lands intended for the use of everyone. I think that if it takes boots on the ground to change that, then that is what needs to be done. But at the same time, to chain a woman up like that..if she was a dog going through labor like that the humane society would come down on them and they could even be arrested for cruelty to animals, but there is nothing to protect this woman?
@razerzpeed Well, she was Accused of being an imigrant, it never says she was acually found guilty of that. Perhaps more study on the issue should be in order, nontheless hand-cuffing a woman in labor does nothing then satisfy the guards sick and disgusting pleasures of seeing a woman suffer just for being in jail. That isn't justice, it's down right insane.
@razerzpeed It didn't say in the video that she was at all found guilty of any crimes, so how can you say that she was wrong or right? And either way, labor in cuffs is downright DANGEROUS for both mother and baby, what now? Are we gonna start threatening peoples families because ONE person did something wrong?
@TheNCmomma I think you are wrong. The only thing they did was handcuff her. I take it that you would be satisfied had they unhandcuffed her for a few minutes while she had the baby?
@razerzpeed If she isn't I would have DEMANDED it, it's a risk to the baby's health and a sick and twisted punishment that should never happen no matter what the woman has done, like I've said before, to threaten the life of one's family because a person did something wrong is INSANE.
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If she didn't want to give birth in jail, she shouldn't have broken the law. If she would be in Durango, none of this would have happened. Back in Durango she wouldn't have gone to jail, would have had her family to support her, and Americans would have had to pay for her child's birth. I don't feel sorry for her one, bit. Go back to Mexico!
Here is a question for you.... would you do the same thing if the situation was in reverse?.... think about it
horhare 6 months ago
Ok...I agree with you that they should have let her have the baby freely in a cell and then put her in jail and adopted out the baby.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Now, that would be acceptable, with proper medical personel who are experianced as well as equipment to make sure that any problem could be handled and every safety measure was taken. Prisons have little medical care for pregnant woman as it is and arn't experianced with it, they need to learn how to handle these things with protection for Everyone, including the baby.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
@DaniMovieWarrior I guess you have totally abandoned the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Loads of Trained People and advanced equipment should be just Sittng in place waiting just in case a person breaking the law comes by and is in need of it? SHE has not one IOTA of responsibility to make a decision to keep her and her baby safe? (at home) No matter what she does...Its OUR responsibility to save her? Who would you Curse had she died of Heat exhaustion in the desert..baby and all?
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed What the heck are you talking about? I'm talking about the child. No matter what She's done, the baby shouldn't die due to neglect of medical care. And though she did land HERSELF in prison doesn't give Us the green flag to just neglect all medical care for her, if people are gonna be charged with animal cruelty because they didn't take their dog to the vet then what the heck are we doing letting proper medical care slip away from prisons? Criminal or no, they're NOT animals.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
Im just going to put this issue to rest...for myself.....Look I feel bad that she had to suffer through a bad experience...but I stand on the fact that she CHOSE to put herself in the SITUATION that could bring that about. She could have stayed home...then she would have had her baby "just like her other four" FOUR? Why the hell keep having em when you cant afford em? If she could afford them...then why illegally enter another country? Im sorry she went thru that...next time stay home.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
It sounds to me as if this woman was attempting to use her pregnancy/baby as a shield for her illegal actions. Would you (apologists) be happy had they allowed her to have the baby in a jail cell (but unhandcuffed of course) and then deported both of them? Or would that not be acceptable as well? The answer to that question will tell ALL.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Justice should be done, but not at the risk of the baby's health, cuffing a woman in labor and delivery can cause serious complications. In the end the baby could be getting the punishment not the mother, and in turn our own morallity is in SERIOUS question.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
@DaniMovieWarrior Your reply is only intended to "whip up emotion" I honestly dont see how handcuffing a woman will stop a baby from coming out. but you are saying OH MY GOD..SHE WAS HANDCUFFED!!
Do you think she didnt know she was illegally coming here? (let me be clear...Its my understanding that 1arm was handcuffed to the bed) That shouldnt harm anything. Since her baby is now an american...and thats what she wanted...keep the baby..adopt it out and send her home.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Handcuffing a woman in Any way restricts movement, if the baby was caught behind the pelvis the woman has to be able to move freely to give birth, and it's not like she comitted a violent crime of any kind. A woman is not an escape or violance risk when they are in labor, it's completely useless and only harmful.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
@DaniMovieWarrior Ok...I agree with you that they should have let her have the baby freely in a cell and then put her in jail and adopted out the baby.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
It's evil, the deshumanization of these guards, these cogs in Arpaio's cruel machine... Don't these people have sisters, mothers, nieces, aunts??? I believe in Karma, and really hope these guards re-lean to be human before it's too late. Research shows that given a bit of power over others, humans can become sadistic and cruel in a matter of days. That's why we have always to be vigilant, to catch ourselves from being caught in a mental web of hate and racism like some of the commenters below.
pitipua62 1 year ago 3
Being undocumented in the US is equivalent to a civil violation, after July 29, a misdemeanor like a traffic violation, according to you everybody who has committed a trafic violation is a CRIMINAL...YOU ARE PROBABLE ONE OF THEM...HOPEFULLY ONE DAY YOU WILL HAVE GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD WHILE YOU ARE HANDCUFFED...YOU ARE YACHTZZUUUP ....REMEMBER EITHER IN THIS LIFE OF THE NEXT ONE YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS, YOU WILL BE JUDGED LIKE OR NOT...IGNORANT, INHUMANE, EVIL...CRIMINAL!!!
lindaherrera27 1 year ago 2
@lindaherrera27 If you are found guilty of a traffic violation you indeed are a criminal. However the penalty is simply a fine so your point makes no sense. I don't see why it is so hard to follow the law and stay out of jail.
yachtzzuuup 1 year ago
@yachtzzuuup THAT'S not the issue here, it's the baby's life and our own morallity at risk that should be questioned.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
your a criminal, thats what we do to criminals.....sorry...take responsibility for your own actions
yachtzzuuup 1 year ago
@yachtzzuuup you are a MONSTER.
medicvet 1 year ago
@yachtzzuuup THE KID DIDN'T DO ANYTHING YOU MORON! Before you go off saying "Welll, she did this..." crap you might wanna read up on how DANGEROUS that could have been for the baby, nopt only that It Didn't Say She Was Guilty Of ANY Charges!
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
I would like to know exactly what missjocelyn and thenCmomma would like to have happened with this woman. I feel for anyone who doesnt get treated properly. But Azlefan is somewhat correct ...had she stayed home...that NEVER would have happened. Why would you go somewhere that you were unwelcome to have a baby and then complain that you werent treated good.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Doesn't "get treated properly" She was fucking chained like an animal and treated worse than one. Even animals are not chained down when giving birth, and if anyone was found to do so to a bitch (female dog), they would probably face charges. But because she is brown skinned she is treated like garbage....this is an utter and complete outrage, and what is even more sickening is the actual support a few sickos here are giving this horffic act.
medicvet 1 year ago
@medicvet In all your "emotional talk"....I didnt find an answer to my question.
Why dont you just come out and say how you really feel...that mexicans....or (any other ethnic group) should be allowed to do here what is illegal in the rest of the world (including Mexico). To illegally enter and take resources from another country. Try going to Canada or Korea or China or Germany or MEXICO illegally and see what they do to you.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Here's the thing. I don't want to know about what other countries are doing because I don't live in those countries and I don't vote in those countries, nor did I serve in the Army of any of those countries. I am here in the United States of America, and what I see going on in my country, all the hate mongering and bigotry, it saddens me...and calls me to action. 1070 is not about "justice", it is about marginalizing brown people, and quite frankly, it sickens me.
medicvet 1 year ago
@medicvet Ok Medic vet. Is there justice in the status quo? Are you as passionate about that? Do you leave the front door open to your house to allow anyone in to come and raid your fridge, use your computer, bathroom, tv and facilities and not say anything to them for fear that you may be called unjust, or perhaps a racist? You DO vote in your own household....and correct me if I am wrong...but I dont think you "vote" to allow the above described situation.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Ultimately it's the baby's punishment??? THAT'S not justice, that's a start of a war.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
@razerzpeed I am all for enforcing our borders, and I think it is wrong to post warning signs on public lands intended for the use of everyone. I think that if it takes boots on the ground to change that, then that is what needs to be done. But at the same time, to chain a woman up like that..if she was a dog going through labor like that the humane society would come down on them and they could even be arrested for cruelty to animals, but there is nothing to protect this woman?
medicvet 1 year ago
@razerzpeed Well, she was Accused of being an imigrant, it never says she was acually found guilty of that. Perhaps more study on the issue should be in order, nontheless hand-cuffing a woman in labor does nothing then satisfy the guards sick and disgusting pleasures of seeing a woman suffer just for being in jail. That isn't justice, it's down right insane.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
@razerzpeed It didn't say in the video that she was at all found guilty of any crimes, so how can you say that she was wrong or right? And either way, labor in cuffs is downright DANGEROUS for both mother and baby, what now? Are we gonna start threatening peoples families because ONE person did something wrong?
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
Fuck you azlefan, you worthless piece of shit.
misszjocelyn 1 year ago 4
@misszjocelyn ...see my question above
razerzpeed 1 year ago
azlefan, you are an unfeeling pig of a human being and I hope to God you never bring children into this world to share your racist DNA.
TheNCmomma 1 year ago 5
@TheNCmomma see my question for you...what would you have done.
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@TheNCmomma I think you are wrong. The only thing they did was handcuff her. I take it that you would be satisfied had they unhandcuffed her for a few minutes while she had the baby?
razerzpeed 1 year ago
@razerzpeed If she isn't I would have DEMANDED it, it's a risk to the baby's health and a sick and twisted punishment that should never happen no matter what the woman has done, like I've said before, to threaten the life of one's family because a person did something wrong is INSANE.
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago
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If she didn't want to give birth in jail, she shouldn't have broken the law. If she would be in Durango, none of this would have happened. Back in Durango she wouldn't have gone to jail, would have had her family to support her, and Americans would have had to pay for her child's birth. I don't feel sorry for her one, bit. Go back to Mexico!
azlefan 2 years ago
@azlefan YOU need to go back to nazi germany.
medicvet 1 year ago
@medicvet No such place exists anymore. I'd tell you where you need to go but I'll just assume you're headed there eventually anyway.
azlefan 1 year ago
@azlefan Oh? Why don't you hand cuff the baby too after they cut the cord? Careful, Newborns are slippery!... YOU BASTARD!
DaniMovieWarrior 1 year ago