Messianic Jews follow BIBLICAL Judaism NOT RABBINIC Judaism

[LouieG7777]

I'm a Torah pursuant believer in Yeshua and I see that what this man is saying is the TRUTH!

[Menechem]

Actually, as a former frumnik, totally sold out to Jesus I must correct a few things. Not all Jewish believers are trying to pass themselves as followers of Judaism. Some of us (myself included), understand that the New Testament does not support the following of Judaism, but a new faith. We maintain a strong Jewish identity, while we stay true to G-d.

[y00n1x]

@wufpackjack well said. I believe Yahshua did preach against following man made doctrine. I'm nobody, I'm not Jewish but I'm ex-Christian and my beliefs tie in very closely to some gnostic Judaism so that being said I understand Yahshua was a Jew who fulfilled the law so if I were to pick a symbol it might be a star of David as opposed to a cross. I'm simple. I know nothing about rabbinic symbols of Judaism and I didn't realize it was a requirement and even so He dwells in my temple. g-d bless.

[raswaterful]

We need to do an study on the scriptures "NOT DEFENDING RELIGIONS" but SEEKING for the TRUE , JUSTICE , PEACE and HAPPINESS which all we want to have in our life... this is not a matter of PHILOSOPHY ; RELIGION ; POLITICS ; TRADITION ; PERSONAL OPINION .. This is about Humankind . and We know God created the world and as the creator HE had to come down to fix up everything down but BEGINNING in our very FOUNDATION which is OUR HEARTS. what WE NEED IS A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD not RELIGION

[messianictorah]

Shalom, I agree some Messianics become almost wannabe Jews or lost Christians looking for an exciting flare. But most Messianics who would say they reject Rabbinic Judaism may tie their own tzit tzit and may come to wear a headcovering for different reasons. I thought wearing a headcovering was both Jewish and not Torah based and considered Messianics that did so posers. But after a study in tzit tzit I decided I wanted to wear a headcovering.

[wufpackjack]

You make an interesting point about blending Rabbinic Judaism and Christianity. But is it wrong to voluntarily follow some Rabbinic traditions w/o accepting Rabbinic authority? I don't think so. Good ideas can come from many sources (consider the Genetic Fallacy) - it seems to me one is free to chew the meat and spit out the bones. Messianics should be careful not to be deceptive though - I think that was your point and I agree with that point. G-d bless.

[messianictorah]

The argument is not logical against Messianics. If the Rabbis are following Torah and they came to the conclusions of the Etrog, and Tallit, Then why couldn't someone who is following Torah accept the same conclusions. They are expressions of Torah in some way or another. A Messianic doesn't need to find another beautiful fruit if the Etrog does not violate their interpretation of Torah. What they mean by rejecting Rabbinic Judaism is to say where the Rabbis seem to be violating Torah.

[Jews4Judaism]

@messianictorah It seems that it's not clear in the video. The arguement "I follow the BIBLE not the Rabbi's" is often disingenuous. Most messianics that wear a talit and tzitzit that are tied exactly as the Rabbi prescribe or light shabbat candles which is NOT in the Torah etc, are playing both sides. In effect they are saying we think that Judaism is beautiful and correct and even brings you closer to G-d, but it's a pity that the Rabbi's are so corrupt and evil by denying the Gospel.

[kitiowa]

"Messianic Judaism" is self Idolatry as is all of Born Againism. Individuals claim they are "saved" because they used Jesus (Yeshua) to take their sins away. They "accepted" or "repented" or "turned their lives over" yadda yadda,,, They justify their acting like God with bible verses. They become the ultimate authority on all things God. Nothing stands in the way of their God Complex more than rabbinic wisdom (or Church authority to interpret it's scripture).

[peraspira]

Excellent. Thank you for posting this.



[laurenoliver23]

I don't think what he described make Messianic Jews hypocrites. Maybe they have the Bar or Bat Mitzvah because they think it's a nice tradition. I'm Ethiopian Jew and we don't have the Rabbi tradition. I think that Rabbinic Judaism can be caught up on tradition to the point you can go through the motions w/o the sentiment behind them. I even saw Rabbi Shmoley say belief in Judaism is irrelevant. That's why Americans think Channukah is the most important event on the Jewish Calendar.

[revacohen]

@laurenoliver23 To say Messianic Jews are not hypocrites would not make sense. I have far less of a problem with a Jew who converts to Christianity (and I'm not saying Jews should do that) than I do with a Messianic Jew. The reason you see groups like these is because they want to believe in Jesus, but they can't let go of their Jewishness. That should prove something is wrong. They also claim they are persecuted by Orthodox Jews, but I've seen Messianic Jews rudely push Orthodox Jews away.

[VictorLepanto]

All the issues he raises can be accounted for prior to the composition of the Talmud. Even Jesus said that the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Moses' seat is a term for how the Pharisees, in controlling the Sanhedrin, were empowered to decide such issues. One can find art from synagogues w/ ertrogs & such in them. & no Messianic Jew says we must utterly reject the rabbis, so this is a strawman argument.

[peteliuz79]

Excuse me?! Tzitzits are BIBLICAL commandment, NOT Rabbinical one (Numeri 15:37-40). No matter how tzitzits look unless there's a thread of blue. Naturally I use ready-made tzitzits (sephardic, ashkenazi all goes) because I am still learning to bind tzitzits. Blessings.

[carolineislands]

I don't believe Messianics outright reject the Rabbinical teachings. They simply hold scripture to be the final and true Word of HaShem and believe that it trumps Rabbinical teachings. They separate scripture from tradition, follow the former and respect the latter. That's not a total rejection of the wisdom of the Rabbis. Its simply keeping human doctrines in their place.

[nielsqbc4]

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[solrac3000]

Yeshua left a halacha: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moshe's seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do."

That means that he is NOT taking the authority from the estabilished judaism, but ask to be observed. When a messianic jew cannot not find a response from one mitsvah, ie., he should not invite any rule but to check an existent one, test it and if do not inflicts Torah, should use it.

[kithp]

There is plenty of hypocricy in J4J. But them using an etrog for example is not hypocricy. These are technical details of things mentioned in the torah which were known at the time the torah was writtn/given and passed down from generation to generation. Unfortunately rabbinic Judaism went way past the technical details and formed its own religion much like chabad of today.

[kithp]

I'm not pro Jews 4 Jesus but why is Rabbinic Judaism any better? Ok maybe it's less bad but why on earth would you think Rabbinic Judaism is the truth? The torah is against it!

[WorshipInTruth]

I as a Christian I of course favor the messianic jewish believers over the non-believeing jews but he is making a point here, these Messianic jews claim to be rejecting corrupted rabbinic judiasm in favor of Scriptural judiasm yet they gladly maintain many jewish traditions which have a basis in rabbinic talmudized judiasm. For this reason I understand why many "orthodox" jews believe that the very prescence of Messianic judaism is a sort of gentile plot to convert jews to Christianity.

[TheYAHnitarian]

I honestly don't see how it's hypocritical. If they accept Yeshua as the Messiah, & Yeshua, himself told the Pharisees that they're doing it wrong, there is no reason to assume that they are not simply carrying on what they believe the same religious beliefs to be. I do not agree with Romanism, (which I feel even Messianic Jews follow by embracing the trinity) but for Rabbinic Jews to feel it's there way, or no way, is just as hypocritical.

[timcp1]

Yeshua is a Jew, he's a Jews Jew and a Hebrews Hebrew, Tribe of Judah, circumcised the 8th day, blood line of King David, family line of Jesse in whom his Father is Adonai. It's that simple. Yeshua is the Messiah foretold in Isaiah 11, and moreover in Isaiah 53. There is no mention of this servant being Zion, ore reference to the Land, or Jerusalem in Isaiah 53, that's because this is about Messiah! Not Israel.

[DefendYourRights1]

For all you Jews who still hate Christians,Believe that Jesus was a fraud, And rant and rave against us, This ones for you ! Zechariah 12 vs 10.....And they shall look upon me WHOM THEY HAVE PEIRCED,And they shall mourn as one mourns for his only son ! This is only one of many, many prophecies concerning Yeshua Ha Mashiach! These are Your own prophets telling you the truth,You really are a stiff neck bunch arn't you?

[crazynerdsrock]

Okay, I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way, but the whole reason people are Messianic Jews is to be Biblical. I mean, I don't know about you, but I would rather learn from G-d's word then from a man's mouth.

[Live2Katv3]

.Who is saying anyone is rejecting Rabbinic Judeism? I see that in the title you are saying only some Jews are following "Biblical" Judaism this is true, some people who may claim to be messianic are truly misguided hypocrits disguising themselves as Jews to convert Jews to open christianity. . However there are some of us who do practice Rabbinic Judaism and believe Yeshua is Meshioch by empiracle evidence. Although your shop owner may seem confusing from a compartmentalized perspective,

[Live2Katv3]

Messianic Judeism is what was prophecied about by the Prophets and everyone else. Thanks for the read. Shalom.

[Live2Katv3]

It is up to us to face these questions, I urge you to put away preconceived prejudice and focus on the empirical data available to you. Namely the book "Our Father Abraham." The Rabbis on the forefront of the scholasticism in messianic Judaism are most likely from your neighborhoods if you are from Queens, Jersey or Boston and are typically Orthodox by birth and sons of Rabbi's this matter requires your attention.

[Live2Katv3]

What you have to ask yourself is what makes a Hebrew Jewish or anyone for that matter? Is it davining? Keeping the Laws and festivals? Birth right? What makes a person Hashem's people? Where us Hashem today? Where us the one being raised up to restore the Temple? The fundamental questions I am putting forth here are vast in their implications, obvious in their conclusions and nerve wrenching in their prospects but we are the last generation right?

[Live2Katv3]

Why is it so hard to believe a Yeshua ascended it is so readily believed for Elijah and Moses? Who are we to put Hashem in a box and say what Hash can and cannot do, no thanks not me, Hash defined for us what we can and cannot do which is why most of the comments below are about Tzi Tzi.

[Live2Katv3]

Also why is it that the Temple was destroyed in the same century as Yeshuas death and witnessed ressurection? Why hasn't the temple been rebuilt? Where is Hashem, why has not a man rise by Hashem yet to rebuild the temple? We know the last generation is here, whats the deal?

[Live2Katv3]

Although your shop owner may serm confusing from a compartmentalized perspective, who's to say that contemporary society hasn't lain preexisting animosity between Jews and Christians that there cannot be both existing together, it seems that the unravelling of events post 70ad (please excuse the gregorian date) are often overlooked by Jews and Christians alike, it isnt as if everyone woke up one day and found themselves at impass.

[Live2Katv3]

Who is saying anyone is rejecting Rabbinic Judeism? I see that in the title you are saying only some Jews are following "Biblical" Judaism this is true, some people who may claim to be messianic are truly misguided hypocrits. However there are some of us who do practice Rabbinic Judaism and believe Yeshua is Meshioch by empiracle evidence.

[blaqsoldier]

When Jesus(pbuh) came to the Israelites they denied him as a their Messiah. Now you guillable Christians believe these people will follow him..yeah right. They do this to deceive American Christians, after all they are the only friends they have in this world. It could also mean to confuse the Christians on the return of Jesus(pbuh). The Jews are waiting for their Messiah to come and the way it looks like these misguided Christians will believe in the wrong Messiah. The one eyed Messiah.

[knightsofstjoan2004]

The faith of the Messianic Jews is the Judaism of the Bible (Biblical Judaism) and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings, and they don't have to go through the Sages or the Rabbis to know God. They have access to God because of the great atoning work of Yeshua HaMashiach, Israel's Chief Rabbi, who has fulfilled them as Jewish Believers and fulfilled Judaism itself.

[MONEYISPOSSIBLE]

actually tzitzit is biblical judaism.... numbers 15. Maybe I just misunderstood what you were saying.

[Jews4Judaism]

@MONEYISPOSSIBLE How to tie them is not spelled out in the Bible. We tie them as prescribed by the Rabbis.

The tzitzit and talit that are worn by messianics are exactly as instructed by the Rabbis

[MONEYISPOSSIBLE]

@Jews4Judaism ok well that makes more since on what you are saying. I know some messianic Jews that do not follow the rabbinical law of it. However maybe they just do not completely understand. Would you still say that tying fringes on the corner of ones garments is unbiblical and a copy of rabbinical judaism? I know alot of Messianic Jews want to be united and show appreciation to the Jewish community as well though. I'm not Jewish, however the Jewish people amaze me and I have much admiration

[pat34lee]

@Jews4Judaism

Which rabbis? The last I saw, there were 3 or 4 main traditions on how to tie tzitzit. One reason for using them could be that people buy the tzitzit. Also, you have to tie them somehow, and many people would rather follow directions than make up their own way. I have no problem how they they are tied as long as they include a blue thread.

As for tallit, you are probably right. To follow the command better, we should pin the tzitzit at the bottom of our pant legs. -Continued

[mcreasman]

@Jews4Judaism Perhaps Yah didn't spell out all of the specifics of tzitzit and talit because He would like to see individuals doing things by the Word and Holy Spirit instead of following the Takanote and the Ma'Assim of the Rabbis..just following men..

[onthemoney90]

The reason why the 'mezuzah' CAN be deceptively OK 4 a Messianic Jew; there are 3 basic tenets of misrepresentation in Xtianity. 1) According to New Testament (Romans?, but I saw the passage) it's ok to mislead, to get a person to convert to Xtianity (what J for J or Messianic Judaism really is). 2) Permissable mis- or wrong- translation of the Original Hebrew bible & scriptures to e.g. the KJV & other bible. 3) Literal interpretation of Old Testament & scriptures - totally against Judaism.

[Averyofthemain]

@onthemoney90 That couldn't be further from the truth, I'm afraid, it's not ok to mislead...the new testament plainly says 'let your yes be yes and your no be no' but on the scripture you refer to, I believe it said, in discussion of conversion, "to a jew I was a jew and to the greek I was a greek' (I'm paraphrasing) and that's not deception, it's a guideline for not giving cultural offense when preaching lest you turn people off.

[TheYAHnitarian]

@onthemoney90 There are many "Christians" who do NOT believe in the tri-union of the Creator, but mainstream Christianity clumps them into being "Unitarians" who also believe that everyone ends up in "Heaven" eventually. Which is rubbish. Many people believe Yeshua was the Messiah, but believe He was the SON of G-d, not G-d Himself. Although they are simply written off as a cult or blasphemers, when it is the pagan Romanism that are blaspheming by equating Yeshua as His own Father.

[JIMY45GR]

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[duckleberry]

(sorry i ran out of room) that introduce Pagan influences (and yes there are pagan traditions that have even sneaked into Rabbinical Judaism) or that teach against Yeshua. One issue Messianics find is the excessive reaction to the meat vs milk ruling. (Personally I have no trouble with it, but most find it excessive). Problem most Rabbinical Jews have is accepting the teachings of Paul, which to general consensus, seemed to contradict torah. A deeper understanding shows he's the opposite however

[duckleberry]

Messianic Judaism is Judaism not Christianity. To answer the contradiction questioned here, when messianics say they follow Biblical vs Rabbinical Yeshua did say to do as the Rabbis say, not as they do (meaning following their example of corruption at the time.) The reason why the lulav, Kippah, Tallit etc are followed is because there are examples of these in the bible. Meaning the traditions of these predate Rabbinical rulings post 70AD. Messianics reject rabbinical "Over Additions" that...

[Matthew1944]

@duckleberry Messianic Judaism is Judaism not Christianity.

.

If you believe in a man-god jesus who died for your sins - you are a christian, no matter what holidays you keep, words you use or anything else. The bottom line is your belief in a divine Jesus.

[MarcoBocoure]

biblical Judaism = devine

rabbinic judaism = fake judaism = evil!!!

[dvkuth]

As a convert to Judaism I can tell you that Xianity is not Judaism, but a refutation of Judaism. For example, in Mark 7:19 “Jesus declared all foods clean." Somehow he overrules God. Instead of fulfilling the law he teaches people to do the exact opposite of what God commands. The same with Paul’s teachings.

Thank you for standing up to the missionaries, and for siding with G-d, instead of Jesus.

[jayorama1]

@dvkuth

Jesus never declared "all meats are clean." What he said in the very passage you quoted is that a man is not defiled by what he eats, but by what proceeds out of his heart. In fact, he said that whoever violates the least of these commandments -- and teaches others to do the same -- would be called least in the kingdom of heaven. By standing up for Jesus, I am standing up for Yahweh.

[duckleberry]

@dvkuth it doesn't actually say what you think it does. In Torah, and to a Jew like Jesus, "Food" only means that which is kosher. Pig is not food to a Jew, just as poison berries isn't food to those who know better. The issue in the passage you are reading wasn't about eating non Kosher food, it was about washing of the hands. Jesus was essentially saying, "washing your hands doesn't make you holy, because what you eat simply comes out as feaces anyway."

[LoraSinger]

"No person who subscribes to Rabbinic Judaism can revoke another's "Jewish" status on the sole ground that one believes Yeshua is Mashiach"

There are two aspects to consider - Jewish lineage and the practice of Judaism. Not all those who practice Judaism (converts) have Jewish lineage, nor do all those with Jewish lineage practice Judaism. The worship of Jesus as divine constitutes idolatry and cannot be part of Judaism. One can be a "true" Jew in terms of lineage but not in belief.

[seekermike007]

@LoraSinger Is it possible that you do not understand the 2 aspects of the nature of Moshiach, the Lamb, the suffering Servant as well as the Warrior on Horseback?

[Matthew1944]

@seekermike007 The "two aspects" are mainly the two different ways they are seen. Christians see a divine man-god. Jews see a fully human leader king who will bring about world peace among other things. The "lamb" is a christianized version of a pagan custom of sacrifice of a perfect creature, in this case a man (human sacrifice was forbidden to Jews) for atonement of others sins. The suffering servant is Israel - not Jesus.

[MenechemShaul]

WE ARE JEWISH WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! Can I change My family history of being Kicked out of ha'aretz, being persecuted during the Crusades, kicked out of Spain and gone through the hell of the Shoa?! We are Jews, We Were Born Jews and We will Die Jews who happened to have found our Messiah, the Messiah of Yisrael! BTW, explain why we say in the Shmah, Hashem Echad (a unity [refer to Gen. 2:24), and yet RamBam teaches Hashem Yachid and in the Yigdal it contradicts what RamBam Teaches?

[thisismymoniker]

Parallel if I understand correctly?

Rabbinic Judaism is to Biblical Judaism,

As

Sunni/Shia Islam is to Qu'ran Alone Islam.

As

Texts & Customs is to Text

?

[vidbid1]

@Jews4Judaism - Doesn't it also depend on whether the Christian shop keeper was a Christian (1) according to Way established by Jesus and continued by his brother James or (2) according to the doctrines of Paul (Saul) a former Pharisee?

[gehalts]

Rebbe, As a Christian I find your comments interesting NOT offenesive but very interesting. And on some point I do agree, the point where me and most of my counterparts in faith part company is at the point of Jewish...holidays...maybe observance would be a better word.To OVER simplify our differences we feel Jesus is the Messiah where you still wait. But as one who worships the G_D of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, aren't we commanded to Observe the festivals, and perform miztvot?

[ChildofYeshua777]

I follow the Judaism of Yeshua, his Talmidim(disciples) and Sh'aul of Tarsus. The Talmud, Kabballah, and Zohar and different than Judaism found solely in the Tanach. The resurection makes sense if you understand history.

[v1e1r1g1e1]

So... if a Jew accepts Jesus as Messiah, the "Rabbis" say that that Jew is no longer a Jew.

Who are these "Rabbis"? Some bunch of guys who got together hundreds of years after the 2nd Temple was burned down as said "Right, everyone. We're the big boys! What we says goes! We got the right answers. We're correct. Everyone else is wrong. We're the Super Jews. No one's more Jewish than us 'cos we say so. So there! Now... we say... yada. Do it, or you're not Jewish!"

Just opinions. With muscle.

[cynthiakrueger1]

I'm a Christian and I have a few answers for this man: Jesus celebrated his Bar Mitzvah at the Jerusalem Temple at age 12; Christians have always "coonfirmed" their children's faith at this age as well, so Jews who convert in are doing a very scriptural thing according to the New Testament by celebrating a Bar Mitzvah. The other things are just Traditions that Jews who convert in feel comfortable with but not required. There is nothing wrong with wearing a Yamulka, keeping kosher so why not.

[Kaasko]

I look jewish because i follow the jew call

Jesus.

fmlm

[shoftim]

Except for a few revisions and Clarifications, Yeshua told his followers to follow rabbinic teachings, but do not follow the hypocrisy that leaders at that time were performing.

Matt Chapter 23 ... Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,  2 Saying, The ascribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works

[Matthew1944]

@shoftim -Yeshua told his followers to follow rabbinic teachings, but do not follow the hypocrisy that leaders at that time were performing.

Absolutely. The priests of Jesus time were Roman plants whose duty was to keep rebellion down and their ways were hellinizing the people.

[Yochanan2004]

They are not adopting Rabbinic Jewish or what people might just refer to simply as Jewish ways. They were, are, and will always will be Jews regardless of whether or not they believe in Yeshua as the Mashiach. I was born Gentile, G-d made me that way, and no matter what I do, I cannot change it! Niether can a Jew! Love to G-d's Chose People!

[Matthew1944]

@Yochanan2004 -Yeshua told his followers to follow rabbinic teachings, but do not follow the hypocrisy that leaders at that time were performing.

When they convert to believing that Jesus was a man-god who died for their sins, they become Christians of Jewish extraction only - no longer practitioners of Judaism.

[covenantervoice]

Amen to this argument. He understands the argument better than Christians.

[DreamsofMajesty]

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[JedskoPoz]

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[kingcotton100]

Because yahshua also kept trditions of the elders of beit helle and was againstd SOME!!! of the teachings of beit shemi who killed the deciples of beit helle in yahrushliam before yahshua was born.he was not againstd the triditions of the eleders only some of them read thellim 22/yesayahu 53. then read matitayahu carefully.he diddnt disagre with the washing of the hands. just that beit shemi tought tht u culdnt nullafy a vow to YHVH to help ur parents thts all he was talking about in matt :15

[jwat5]

But let me also say that Rabbinic way is not the only way their is for a Jew to go.. and this thinking is wrong as their are still the karits, and they don't go with Oral Torah. All these writings of man .. the way man think things should go ... I mean over G*d! Its messy , And they hate , and dis like people. I have a great heart for them . I love them but have seen how they teat people . and the more religious they are the meaner they get. Is this the way ABBA wanted them to be?

[1984vrs]

Biblical Judaism is higher than Rabbinical. One listens to G-D and studys the Tanakh himself. The other forsakes the written law for teh opinions of the Rabbis and Sages. Good for commentary, not for doctrin. Besides the Messianic Jews adopt them because they're Jewish customs with religious backgrounds. To wear a skull cap doesn't necissarily mean any kind of subscription to Rabbinic Judaism it just entails that the one wearing acknoledges G-D exists and is fufilling Hosea 6:6

[rocermi61]

What you call "Biblical" Judaism is rabbinical or talmudic judaism...is not Biblical...I can't imagine Avinu Abraham dressing in black, killing a chicken to shed her blood over him and saying this "blood covers my sins". I can't imagine Avivnu Yaakov, telling people that the sayings of the rabbis is more important than the sayings of our Eternal Adonay....or reading the Talmud just to know that the "goyim" are like cattle...no, that is not "Biblical" Judaism.

[gpt500]

Judaism is Christianity Concealed- Christianity is Judaism Revealed

[spreadthegospel]

As a Messianic myself, I believe every Messianic should study the Talmud, and most do.

[spreadthegospel]

Your premise is that Messianic Jews are hypocritical because they teach against Rabbinical Judaism and then practice Rabbinical Judaism. That statement would be correct if in fact Messianic Jews rejected Rabbinical Judaism, but the truth is that most Messinanics do not. Messianic Resources - the largest provider of Messianic products - sells books on Talmud and the Mishnah itself.

[clarkewi]

Messianic Judaism is certainly NOT Christianity. Christianity is pagan not biblical. The Nazarene Jerusalem Assembly of the first century was certainly Jewish as one of its members was John the Baptist was an Essene while another was James the Just who was one of the few that could enter the Holy of Holy's. Their requirement of "the heathan" (gentile) to ENTER the Temple was to obey the 10 commandments and Laws of Noah. Note that this would only "get one's foot into the door" - to learn TORAH.

[TheHealthMasters]

@DolphinofYAH amen

[Hugovstar]

(Numbers) 15:38 The Scriptures "Make tassels (gedalim) on the FOUR CORNERS (kanaf) of the garment with which you cover yourself." (Deut.) 22:12 The Scriptures " Covering Yourself (YAHUWAH) with light as with a garment." (Psalm) 104:2

[Hugovstar]

Hypocrite, why you were WHITE TZITTZIT and not blue as is Written in TORAH

"Speak to the children of Israel, and you shall say to them to make > tzittziot on the corners (kanaf) of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue (tekelet) cord (patiyl) in the tzittzit of the corners."

[mraw65]

Well, here is the perspective ov a gentile who has been caught up in this for four years. This movement in its most sincere is also its most anti-semitic. Precisely because, as indicated above, it claims to represent a 5th column of Judaism, "true Judaism".

After observing and watching for four years it is amazing how many adherents are able to float this contradiction. People who will say bold faced to you that the "rabbis" are satanic, as they adjust their kippot.

[BigBee1965]

Messianic Jews. It’s time to be educated. Christianity is Paganism. Christians never ask the hard questions. Such as the following: Get out your historical fiction novel the New Testament. Turn to the book Revelation 7: 4-8. Ask yourself this question, If this book was inspired by G-d. How would G-d forget a tribe of Israel - (Dan), and add one that never existed - (Joseph)? You cannot use Joseph as a tribe and then add Manasseh or Ephraim who are his son’s. They are members of his tribe.

[antowalk]

He does have a point

[aviyahu01]

wow thats an excelent point!

[pzra]

the messianists talk about biblical and say that we in judaism are wrong, but if you see, they love to wear yarmulke, they love to say kabalat shabat with kabalistic songs... I mean, they are an "oxymoron"

[coolguy291m]

True, Messianics shouldn't use the traditions that Rabbis created, they should stick to Biblical Judaism, but then again, Jews for Judaism is guiltiy as well. You guys use ALOT of Christian termanology to appear to believers of Yeshua (Jesus). So both sides are hypocrites.

[hesedken]

When the people were Judaized mityahadim (Esther 8:17)--taking on the manners of the Jews, this did not make the awakened, political or religious converts Jews (Hebrews); at most it made them proselytes. However, the people we see from all the parts of the world today who are not Hebrews (including Orthodox Jewish and Rashi scholars) but yet call themselves Jews are no more Jews than the non-Hebrew people of Media and Persia who became Judaized in the time of Esther and Mordecai.

[messianictorah]

I generally agree with what was said though I agree Judaism is more a religion of study of the rabbis and oral Torah than of Torah itself, I say this humbly. Some Messianics are caught up in bad Christian doctrine and end up being a wierd mix of Judaism and Christianity, I think this is what you are explaining, Yet other are reinterpreting the Torah and are at odds with Rabinic interpretations and also think Christians are confused about who their Messiah really was.

[sefardimyeshua]

No person who subscribes to Rabbinic Judaism can revoke another's "Jewish" status on the sole ground that one believes Yeshua is Mashiach. Those in Rabbinical Judaism must be prepared to defend their view that any person who has ever ascribed the title of Messiah to a man in times past (such as Bar Kochba) is not a true Jew. Such a view would exclude large numbers of Jews, including many current day Jews claiming that Rabbi Schneerson is Mashiach.

[Jews4Judaism]

Chabad does not represent a different stream in the interpretation of Jewish law. Chabad accepts the authority of the written Torah, the oral Torah and the Rabbinic enactments, and they strongly promote the adherence to all its teachings.

Before dealing with the belief in Jesus, the mere acceptance of the Christian Scriptures represents a deviance from Judaism as we know it. This alone is enough to create a clear distinction between Chabad and Jewish believers in Jesus.

[mikelunz]

@Jews4Judaism I have to disagree on grounds that James the brother of Jesus, accused Paul for teaching Jews that they did not have to be jewish. Since James was a rabbi of Jerusalem, and a believer in Jesus as the messiah, he put Paul to the test, and made him profess in the temple that he did not deny any Jewish Law. Jews are not allowed to deviate from the law, Jesus even taught this.

[rocermi61]

@Jews4Judaism Yeshua was a Jew, who was also a Rabbi...and also ADONAY in flesh...the Moshiach shel Yisrael...the principle of blood covering sins is in the Tanach, but of course...because the religious authorities rejected Yeshua...salvation has come to the rest of the world...Judaism today is an elite religion...everything you know about the Scriptures is only for you "Jews" and not for the rest of the world. Real "Yehudim" tell others about Adonay and His Messiah: Yeshua.

[KiraWei1]

@Jews4Judaism "the mere acceptance of the Christian Scriptures represents a deviance from Judaism as we know it." The mere acceptance of oral Torah represents a deviance between Rabbinic and Kairite Judiasm. How do you deal with that?

[amixofeverything]

@sefardimyeshua Nobody claims that Jews who believe in Jesus aren't Jewish. Their belief system about Jesus isn't Jewish...but they are still Jews. 

[gimbledink7227]

@amixofeverything Yeshua was born to a Jewish family, and followed Jewish traditions completely, hence the reason the Holy Bible refers to Him as without sin. All of His disciples were Jewish, and followed the same traditions. Pauls letter to the Romans to adherents to the path of Yeshua "...have the Torah written on you heart...", and also refers to His followers as "grafted into the vine (Israel)" Christianity is actually quite Jewish when Irishmen like myself read the WHOLE Holy Bible.

[seekermike007]

@sefardimyeshua Oh wow, i think you nailed it to the wall here in the legalistic sense. God bless you. Continue to pray for the redemption and peace of jerusalem, brother.

[MrBiblia]

The man does have an INTERESTING point...

On the other hand it is POSSIBLE to be a non-rabbinic Jew.

Karaite anyone??

[onthemoney90]

Messianic Judaism and J for J feed and grow on one thing. Ignorance of people about religions that same people are interested in. If you have a question about Judaism, ask an Orthodox rabbi who will give you the true perspective, laws and customs.

[777jordan]

Although a Messianic Jew, I mostly agree with what he's saying.

[yeshuateaching]

At the time that Yeshua walked on this earth Jews already followed Pharisees and Misjna. Also Yeshua followed the rules of Rabbinic Judaism of that time. So using Jewish symbols that are not mentioned in the Torah is not wrong...

[Jews4Judaism]

For someone who accepts the authority of the Mishna and follows the same system the enacted those practices there's no problem.

[777jordan]

@yeshuateaching I think you will find not a little disagreement between Yeshua and Rabbis of his day when reading the New Testament. He does indeed agree with somethings while strongly differing on others. But to say he followed Pharisees and Mishna is a gross overstatement.

[Jews4Judaism]

It's interesting how on one hand Jesus didn't come to change anything and at the same time he makes the sacrificial system of G-d obselete?

Ezekiel 43-44 and Malachi 3 tells us that the sacrificial system will continue to be offered in the messianic era.

[Hazakim]

Interesting!?!? Dear sir, what is more interesting is the fact that you, a "true Torah observant Jew" have downplayed the importance of the Temple and blood atonement by claiming that you have a new system of atonement for sin through good deeds, prayer and charity! The Orthodox hardly keep Torah....rather they adhere to "oral law" (actually nothing more than ancient tradition) which overrules the Written Law of HaShem! The pot calls the kettle black indeed!

[Raineygoodyears]

Jesus was the sacraficial Lamb....That is the point of fullfillment, many Jews understood this when Jesus said..*The Kingdom of GOD has come to the jew first and then the Gentile....Jesus did not create another religion he was the fullfillment of sacrafice for all human beings. Malachi 3 IS speaking about Y'shua...The perfected world will not have Sacrafice only the Feasts of GOD as in celebration...Sukkot.

[Drregaleagle]

@Jews4Judaism,

For Christians, the sacrificial system doesn't seem like a good way to atone for sins because it doesn't necessarily build character. Plus, we can't perform sacrifices perfectly.

[rocermi61]

@Jews4Judaism Even in the Tanaj you can find the name of Yeshua hidden in the scriptures...the word of Elohim, descended and incarnated in the form of Yeshua, to set free the rest of humanity...Yeshua taught us about Adonay and gave us everlasting life thanks to His precious blood...the sacrificial system has to do with blood want it or not...Abraham was to sacrifice Yitzhak...a shadow of Avinu shebashamayim giving His Son to die for us. There is no salvation in talmudic judaism.

[mirrormoveuchiha]

@Jews4Judaism to fulfill is what he came to do, not destroy or make obsolete, but to establish the fulfillement of the Law in Himself.

[ugkmember1]

i thought that once the messiah came that the jews would practice just as the messianic jews do now. Jesus said he came to fullfil the law not to do away with it.christains just forget all about the way to pray and act. What not to eat ect. nothing changes and nothing was supposed to change the apostle Paul still prayed and followed all the laws passed down from moses.the only diffrence is that Christ can forgive you of your sins sacrifice isnt really required anymore

[AntidoteY]

The Messianic "Jewish" phenomenon is truly puzzling. I've never seen a group of people attempt to imitate, assimilate, or replace an entire cultural-religious entity; it's sort of terrifying how dishonest and slimy Christian missionaries can be in their obsession to attract converts. Their lack of confidence in their own doctrines is evident in their discomfort that they cannot convince the people whose ancestors authored the Jewish Scriptures of their religion's legitimacy.

[Raineygoodyears]

Slimy? Do you realize the Christians true Christians of the Gospel message created the USA which welcomed Jews, where no other country wanted them...As the world becomes more Atheistic and secular what is happening hatred of the Jews is growing (Anti-Semitism) and people want to see Israel destroyed..If there are no Christians, who do you think will be a FRIEND to the Jewish People?

[TheJohnHowl]

@Raineygoodyears

Please, don't try to mix two different issues.

Jews don't hate Christians - Jews appreciate true Christians. But...

...so called "MJ" are just a Werewolfs.

[mikelunz]

@TheJohnHowl I have to respectfully disagree with you, yet oddly agree at the same time. Allow me to explain. I think that if someone is believes that Jesus is the Messiah, and they are Jewish, it just means they are Jews (who happen to believe in Jesus.) "Messianic Jews," are not necessarily werewolves if the previous is the case. When Non-jews are posing as jews to seek their own ends, then we see what you are saying is true.

[qsbubba]

@TheJohnHowl

I have met many Jews that clearly hate christians. They say negative things and their tone of voice and manerism is similar about christians as many Muslim's are about Christians. I agree that many proper laws and traditions that have been changed or people (MJ's and Christians) are trying to change things that should never be changed

[ThroneNationStation]

@AntidoteY did you know with in the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Pictograms tells us the who the Messiah is? Don't believe me? see for you self. just copy and paste this into the youtube search bar " REVEALED! The Secret Meaning of The First Verse Of The Bible (Hidden Code!) " If I am miss informed then please tell me

[qsbubba]

@AntidoteY

wow not very historical. Most of the early believer's were Jews. There were Jewish converts in the first 2-3 generations from India all the way to Ethiopia and up to France and maybe England too. There are writings that are over 1800 years old that prove this. There are many false teachers (such as in the Roman Catholic Church and Modern Jews too) just as in the time of Ahab and others that lie about these things but it is true.

[Humanist555]

All Jews are Messianic Jews...they can just demonstrably prove that Jesus wasn't it.

[ravrudy]

I am Messianic, but your argruments are my own for MJ who make that seperation.

[Jews4Judaism]

Every one has a right to do as they please, but is it intellectually honest to claim that you DON'T follow the Rabbis and then go and follow and adopt their practices as your own?

[qsbubba]

@Jews4Judaism

NO it is NOT honest

[faelismaegnus]

There's no misrepresentation. It is every person's right to worship as he or she pleases. And do the rabbis have it right? Are they smarter, better, more perfect than the non-rabbis?

[IWannabeJew]

So true! In the past I have posted videos on this very topic.

I'm featuring this one on my channel.

[herbertwarmstrong]

Not all Messianic Jews are the same. Yes many are fake Christians, but, there are others that are more Orthodox. Such as Firstfuits of Zion that use Rabbinic authority when making decisions.