HOWL PART 2 MOLOCH -ALLEN GINSBERG

[sugarcult522]

moloch is the system one could argue its captialism but i say captialism is onyl a part of it its greater than that its the whole system that governs our lives

[chicken6000]

@sugarcult522

it's about modernity plain and simple. the best book on modernity is Marshall Berman's all that is solid melts into air. (taken from the communist manifesto - which refers to the burning od coal into smoke and also, here when Ginsberg says

'lifting the city to heaven which exists and is everywhere about us" (he refers to invisible technologies, wireless internet and signals that pass through walls etc. but also social and cultural and political forces. Read berman.

[PtAltmVansanTarr]

Is Moloch part of Ginsberg concept of good and evil? To me, the word "moloch" conjures up old and ancient myths, ones that are about gods of destruction. I think it's an actual word from some E.Europe country. The animation in the latest film is powerful for this section of the poem. Moloch reminds me of the unseen presence in Antonioni's Red Desert, a presence which has spread everywhere, with the only refuge being the imagination or dream worlds...

[MAGICnewyork]

Ginsberg was a pothead pedophile... look it up! His 'buddy" hunter S. Thompson (who killed himself) directed child porn snuff films! The sick hippie bastard should have been strung up by his nutsack!

[OrTheThirdPerson]

thompson directed kiddie snuff?

first i've heard.

[mussman717word]

@MAGICnewyork

You, sir, are a GOD-DAMNED LIAR! Otherwise, you'd bring proof in a link, from a site other than some Pat Robertson shit.

[philosophy9949]

Look at the world we have created and are creating. Slowly and endlessly, we are eradicating paradise.  Ginsberg fortold everything that has happened over the past fifty years, from Vietnam to Watergate to the War in Iraq.

We are a nation of spiritual poverty

The Yodeling Existentionalist

[shmoopydoo]

The best way to understand this poem is to eat about 3 hits of double dipped acid.

[cryptsub]

@shmoopydoo You have no understanding, period. Go watch some more reality TV now.

[voidforpurpose]

Chillingly banal.

Meanwhile, Moloch has since morphed into Allah.

The new deity of planetary dismality.

Anti-Art, anti-Music, assassin of heretical poets.

[joshdavies86]

The Moloch in the poem is the same as the Moloch now: capitalism.

You don't look at the system that murders people by the thousand in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine; that throws millions into unemployment and millions more into starvation; that day by day destroys the planet you delude yourself into thinking that the problem's Islam. The same problem that the organisers of capitalism's wars, impoverishment and destruction identify.

You don't understand the poem or the world around you.

[cryptsub]

@joshdavies86 Socialist authoritarian states and Islamic theocracies are part of Moloch as well. Moloch is international murderous overwhelming power for it's own sake.

[JohnnyThreePants]

Brilliant. Made me cry.

[cryptsub]

@JohnnyThreePants definitely one of the most powerful parts of Howl

[bobbygnosis]

What the fuck.

Ginsberg. Is this the same Ginsberg Naomi Wolf talks about in "The End of America"? If so, this is flat out terrifying.

[solonmonkey]

No, its Allen Ginsberg as in one of the most influential writers from the 50's

[bobbygnosis]

I ended up figuring that out well after my post. I should've done more reading before I posted that comment.

Good looking out, though.

Cheers

[TheOwlMan]

To the NWO...

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[dignonsu]

what a great thrill