Who listens to this clueless noob interviewer? I mean, he actually has listeners? His philosophy sounds like something a college sophomore might ascribe to.
I have see the loss of our great factories ,the ponzi scheme that is the FED!!,The total corruption of our political system,corporations and financial structure .The lie that is free trade.Socialism which is all subsidies Propaganda portrayed as news,controlled by the elite.Our military used as a corporate global police force. If this is not stopped we shall be enslaved by the globalist. I ask for nothing from this system,why does it steal from me!! March on !!!!
The main problem with the government assisting with this issue is that the men in Washington who call themselves "The Government" are not our Constitution's idea of who the government is. They are a group of individuals working on BEHALF of the companies being protested. "We the people" are the government and until we wrestle our power back from the infiltrators acting as such, and in the best interest of big business - rather than the citizens - we're wasting our time. We need a revolution!
@aburling7 Wrong...we need to outgrow the need of the state. That's what Stefan means by educating yourself. What will a revolution right now lead to? We have a highly fractured, state dependent society...any revolution will only lead to a more oppressive government.
@gusvoss Come on, look at recorded history, Google democide, the murder of multimillions in the past century, all of the governments today using central banking to inflate and stealth steal from the citizens, the police becoming more and more militarized, the wars more frequent. Does all that really represent you? did the Bailouts and Stimulus and QEs really represent and benefit you? Does the U.S. jail and legal system that imprisons so many who never hurt anyone represent you? TSA, CIA?
@gusvoss Why do you think the government can "represent the people"? The concept of a "people" tied to political affairs is invalid. The "people" do not think, act or choose. Only individuals do. Appeals to the "will of the people" have been used by megalomaniacs to concentrate power. The most recent example is Obama with his HOPE and CHANGE crap!
But the most important question is: Why have a system of government (monopolized violence) at all?
What I got from this is we should just do nothing, because we are all stupid and this Wall Street Protest is already corrupted because of a Website claiming to be the Wall Street Protest. There are people there from all over, that website represents itself, it does not represent all those peoples opinion. It does not matter where it's held, it just matters that it continues and grows and if it does not work in the future it could get violent, so I disagree with the speaker. It's not Philosophy.
@stefbot It's easy for us to sit on the sidelines and criticize and comment on the protests, but these rallies would greatly benefit from hearing messages like yours. In one respect, yes, they're taking to the streets and waiving signs and shouting and blowing off steam. In another respect, people are gathering together and having a big conversation and a debate about what to do about the situation. My challenge to you: go join that conversation, please, voices like yours need to be heard. TY.
The CEO of a corporation doesnt own the corporation, the shareholders do. He is just hired to run it for them. The extent to which the management of a corporation owns it proportional to how much of the stock they own. If the corporation blows up their stocks go to zero too.
Furthermore, directors are voted in and out all the time. There is far more accountability in a corporation than there is in government.
What would happen if the economy would work for the goverment and the goverment for the people? Not the other way around? An outrage huh? Of course the economy is responsible for this crap. Just ask where is the money? Who earns the bugs for all the wars and political decisions and who pays the politics?
I am maybe one of those persons that need to get out of the nappies, but the guy in the earphones is full of it. He wants to see for one protesters going to the books and re-write their slogans, but I've seen many well-informed and educated protesters who are making a lot more sense than this guy. This guy is attributing things to the protesters that are simply not true. He is making assumptions and we all know the story about assumptions.
Nobody says corporations should not make money, but there is a fundamental difference between making money in a legal and acceptable manner and stealing money which has nothing to do with making money.
You only need 2 demands. 1)END THE FED and return the power back to congress. 2)Strictly obey the Constitution. and immediately impeach and prosecute any elected official that violates his oath of office. <<<<Really is that easy. Every thing unconstitutional goes bye bye. Restore our Constitutional Republic NOW!!! Dr. Ron paul 2012 NO MORE LIES!!!
@mcclain194 The constitution is not magic, it's a piece of paper, it's only power over politicians is that which they choose to accept. If someone doesn't voluntarily "obey the constitution" the only way to force them is with a gun; so is holding that gun? you?
Why does Stephan say the protesters are advocating more government, more oversight, more regulation? From what I've seen, they are very diverse. They are not one big camp with the same solution. Some are talking about local economies, completely ignoring government and corporations.
Wouldn't be the consequence of that to take over the media instead of revolting against the government who is able to overpower any demonstration anyway? Let's say we were able to take over one TV station and broadcast the truth all over the country, .... hm, but then again »» what does it help to have people's attention for 24 or 48 hours if they have been brainwashed for DECADES? I have really great difficulties to accept the fact that this system is absolutely waterproof.
I would like to see a single podcast about the role of the mainstream media in this system. I think the lack of responsibility of the media is a key problem for our society because if education could help turning the world around, then only the media is able to reach out to people's hearts & minds. Can't highlight enough how powerful the media actually is and look what they do. Seems to be all crap.
@halo2pc Are you trying to insinuate the individuals represented by the collective concept "media" OWE you or anyone else some sort of education? Voluntary exchange is the only path to freedom.
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@halo2pc Without knowledgeable people the media will remain that way. They are a market institution with fascistic elements, sure the state controls and manipulates them, but if the people were smart enough to see through the lies and bullshit their propaganda would fall on deaf ears.
"This country" was founded on its own law with an inside job - the inside law-conspiracy to control is exactly what needs to be opposed, intelligently and in mass-concert. Like Carlin says, the citizenry having knowledge and intelligence is not what the owners of this country want us to exhibit.
@musicbackfromthedead I love how you throw floating abstractions like "neoliberal" and totally ignore the actual arguments made in this video. Leftism is an intellectual failure.
@webmacho I've spoken to OWS protesters. They believe in the religion of social democracy. It's just another slave system but with focus on feeding the cattle (welfare). Stefan's views are correct.
@truevoice08 I don't seay Stefan views are not correct, but it is just a prejudice that they all want socialistic goverment or something like that, he made this up and upon this he talks
@webmacho He's not saying all of them want socialism. I'm sure there are lots of libertarians in the OWS crowd. The problem is that OWS is represented by a proto-Marxist leadership as evidenced by its website. This is the problem of collective advocacy or activism. So the libertarians in the crowd don't matter.
Imagine if even a quarter of the people just steadfastly refused to pay tax! Refused to comply! Just turn their backs on the police! Turn their backs on the government! This is what I would love the protesters to do! On sight of any police just everybody turn around totally ignoring their presence! Shouting at the police to help you will not work! Pleading your case with them will not work! They get paid by the people you are complaining about!!!!
I'm in the uk and we have occupy london stock exchange coming up on the 15th... I'm going to attend, but not to protest! I'm going there to try to INJECT some of the philosophies or truths that stefan is talking about here! I will be trying to give it a little more spice though!
You see I believe that if you know what stefan knows, you have somewhat of a responsibility to ACT! I certainly don't propose more protests! But merely to live the life you want now! I will not wait for it to be OK'ED!
Yeah I agree with him here, I don't always... I do, however, think its great for people to connect in the way they are at the protests. We need to meet and discuss, we need to get down to pure old common (that isn't common any more) sense! Stefan is fantastic at explaining things in an easy to understand sort of way! I truly believe that one day he will be looked on as one of the pioneers of our true freedom! I just wish he was a little more confrontational! NON COMPLIANCE!
Yeah I agree with him here, I don't always... I do, however, think its great for people to connect in the way they are at the protests. We need to meet and discuss, we need to get down to pure old common (that isn't common any more) sense! Stefan is fantastic at explaining things in an easy to understand sort of way! I truly believe that one day he will be looked on as one of the pioneers of our true freedom! I just wish he was a little more confrontational! NON COMPLIANCE!
Yeah I agree with him here, I don't always... I do, however, think its great for people to connect in the way they are at the protests. We need to meet and discuss, we need to get down to pure old common (that isn't common any more) sense! Stefan is fantastic at explaining things in an easy to understand sort of way! I truly believe that one day he will be looked on as one of the pioneers of our true freedom! I just wish he was a little more confrontational! NON COMPLIANCE!
One of the things that really bugged me about this interview is that the interviewer is trying all he can to display his intellectual capacity, without really listening. I wish he'd just admitted he was wrong or that he didn't really know something or that he wanted to learn more. I have no idea why admitting to not understanding something has become such a social taboo. By saying 'I don't know the answer', rather than continuing a debate having no idea, we'd all learn so much more.
Oh, you mean let's have the government do their friggin' jobs? As Stefan states the regulations are already there. We just need to call our "law enforcement" off the hard working American people, and have them take all their might into the Office Buildings on Wall Street, and start arresting and beating the traders. Simple as pie.
...And I'm an Anarchist that joining the protests!
Actually, according to the CATO institute, during Bush's presidency no less than 70,000 pages of new regulations were added to the federal register every year.
I don't get why I don't hear more about Liquid Democracy from you, even if it is to debunk it as a solution. I think that that might be what the other guy was asking you when he was talking about non-representative democracy.
LD may not solve all the problems of the State, but it would sure make things better. And you said it yourself that people shouldn't disregard a solution based on the fact that it still has a few problems, if it is the case that its implementation would be an improvement.
I had a college proffesor that once said you need to get out there fight for what you believe sometimes. This is one of those times. This is what is going down. This is the canary in the coal mine. Thank god for all these great people that are pissed and are not going to stand for it anymore.
This video is in the #1 spot on my YT channel, other than my main, Playing for Change-music, a positive note.
Michael Moore saying capitalism has got to Go is Totally irresponsible and shows him up, a clueless gatekeeper. These people obfuscate real issues and cannot effect Real Change. Stef is highly logical, I bet he does not paint, dance or do anything deemed as creative, lack of color or beliefs in things unseen. Our brains have both capacities, split level. There must be a reason for it.
not that it matters, but in other vids Stef has said he was an actor when he was young, and that if he wasnt doing freedomainradio he would be a painter.
Apparently there was a March yesterday protesting police atrocities. If it were me running this thing, I'd March in support of the cops, firemen and their families as part of the great American low paid family. Many of them are severly ill due to 911 and not getting the care they need from the government. Bring THIS to light and have them realize they are The People too. Turning the other cheek is a powerful social tool. Turning the protest against the cops is counter productive.
@Zerafinel We are Change . org has done a great job of bringing police into the fold, respecting them and reaching out to them in kindness. Cops, Firemen and their families are also suffering, but have a job to do. Education is key, not the public and cops fighting in the streets. They are not the enemy, believe it or not. Globalists love this SHIT! Distractions!
This guy is so uninformed ! The demise of you tube in your face. Anyone with a video camera in now an authority ! This is what a true shrill looks like ! Nothing but complaints and no solution.
@ThePortalNC You're laughably ignorant of this channel for calling Stefan a shill. He gave up a high paying job in IT to focus on his philosophy show. As for solutions, the protesters don't have any. They don't stand on any moral principles nor do they grasp the root cause of the problem (i.e. violent State monopoly over the supply of money). OWS protesters are unemployed and affected by high food and gas prices. It's all animal instinct, nothing special about it. Read Stef's "Everyday Anarchy"
Quote from Occupy Wall Street webpage: "We urge members of the NYPD to remain in solidarity with our cause. These men and women could lose their pensions and benefits during the next round of budget cuts. We ask that members of the NYPD treat all peaceful human beings with respect and care." What?
Exactly! The problem is staring them in the face! I don't know how many marches where I've seen people try to "reach out" to the police, reason with them. To the police! I'm like face palming myself constantly when I have to watch this. These are the people that slam people's heads against the ground for a living, and you want to plead to them? "Communicate" with them? Over what? Please don't hit me or kidnap me?
Stef you look so unimpressed when he rambles on about voting. Anyone who's listened to a bunch of your podcasts knows where you're going to bring the conversation next, but at least make some funny faces for us :)
I agree with most of what Steph says. He states "the effect of government power, which is financial corruption" is not an empirical truth. As far as empirical evidence illustrates, the effect of corporatism, (the denial of peoples rights over profits) corrupts government power...NOT the other way around. Thousands of laws & regulations are created for the benefit of the corporations, not the protection of people or as a result of some sort of 'evilness' that comes from governing.
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"Amateur surgery always ends in a bloodbath... " - as always, can count on Stefan to sum up a complex issue into succinct truism!
PRECISELY, biggest concern: yes the well meaning misguided Left-socialists KNOW they're being F*CKED by WallSt.Banksters who've hijacked Fed.Gvt. Yet, they're calling for MORE Gvt/socialism/regulations!
Perfect storm: convergence of impending currency collapse, derivatives blowout, global econ.chaos, capital control, austerity, timed w/MASS-Boomer Retirement!
Noam Chomsky announced solidarity with the occupy wall st. folks. Just saying. I am rather dis-heartened that so many of them do seem under-educated on the reasons they are supposedly protesting. But a few of them do know what happened in 1913...and the bigger causes of the economic collapse "symptom".
I dont think the protesters are calling for the government to come in and solve the problem, they're generally just protesting wall street and corporate tyranny, which should have been done a long time ago, especially by anyone believing in freedom. Government tyranny and corporate tyranny are virtually the same thing now, but the corporate elite are the ones in primary control and setting the agenda
oh Stefan, how I love these videos where you distill your philosophy down to the simple fundamentals - same goes with your Beautiful Freedom video, and other recent vids of yours. they are ripe for sharing and spreading around. keep them coming!
@NoogLeader "Corporations are made as a necessity for business. Not for government."
Wrong again.
A "corporation" is a govt chartered legal person, granted liimited liability in return for special taxes.
The original corporations were things like the East India Company, granted specific monopolies by govt to guarantee profits to their friends and relations.
What people create to facilitate business is called a "firm". While many firms incorporate, to gain limited liability, many do not.
Good point at around the 20 minute mark. My personal experience backs that up. I put some money into renovating/greening a building. In return, the local government decides to "reevaluate my property" which of course translates to higher property taxes. In other words, I get punished for trying to make a building more efficient not to mention make the neighborhood a little bit better. The work permit triggered this chain of events. This is why slumlords remain slumlords.
"We have radical, huge 'trip-over-the-doorjamb-and-fall-into-a-void-because-your-porch-isn't there' kinds of changes between now and March. A lot of the stuff we're dealing with now will not be pertinent from March of next year, onward."
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SM is an idealist and tends to throw the baby out with the bath water a bit. I think he needs to see change as small steps not one huge swoop. otherwise, love to wallstreet and Steph x
@alexkillsdie Stef is not arguing as an idealist in this video. He's accusing the protesters of no principled moral grounding nor causal understanding of the problem. Protests just happen because people are unemployed and complain about high food and gas prices. It's the instinctual reaction, nothing special about it.
@shamgar001 but they did mess up, morally. They basically took advantage of people for profit. How is that morally correct? How is acting immorally not 'messing up'?
@eviljdog I would agree with that, but I mean that he made such a statement without having anything to back it up until he thought about it for a while.
One gets the impression that he just believed it without really thinking it through.
So what, ALL of Wallstreet stole money (or took the stolen money)?! It's not just one big entity. And as long as they pay the most taxes why shouldn't they abuse the state? The rest of the populace hate them and gladly take their money anyway.
These pathetic little monkies "taking over" Wallstreet are a bunch of idiots.
If they knew about END THE FED it might be a worthy protest. Instead they want free government cheese. Seems like everyone these days wants their 'FREE' government everything. Buying votes, one ignorant at a time. I bet these hippies will vote Obama in the end.
This is the best video to send to your liberal friends, if they will listen. Concise.
It has been said, if you are not liberal when you are young you are heartless, if you are not conservative when you are older you are brainless. The OWS protests are anti-capitalist, not very smart. M.Moore went down and gave an anti-capitalist speech. S. Sarandon as well. The Economic Hit Man is a socialist as well. They are saying Ron Paul and the Free Market is part of the problem. It's sad really.
Steph states "the effect of government power, which is financial corruption". As far as empirical practice illustrates, the effect of corporatism, (the denial of peoples rights over profits) corrupts government power...NOT the other way around.
@JonathanSeagullUtube Wall Street doesn't have power on it's own. It needs the government to cartelize the banking industry and prop them up through monetary policy (open market operations or buying up toxic assets) and fiscal policy (bail outs). It's like a rich man orders a mafia to punch wholes in the truck tires of his competitors. Without the mafia, the rich man wouldn't be able to do any harm.
@truevoice08 Yes, the thugs are legitimized by payments from governments. Governments are not THE cause of financial corruption: most governments utilize institutionalized violence as a method of enforcing the laws that protect profits over peoples rights & freedoms. The effect of corporatism, (the denial of peoples rights over profits) is corrupt governmental power. Simple. you tube search "Global Bankers Rule The World"
@jeffiek "Government IS corrupt, by definition." Are you suggesting that by attempting to govern my ideas, you are corrupt? Government: The office, function, or authority of a governing individual or body. So self governance is by definition corrupt? T o pee in your sleep is lack of self governance...are you a wet wetter?
@jeffiek To govern: governance: Governance is the activity of governing. It relates to decisions that define expectations, grant power, or verify performance. It consists either of a separate process or of a specific part of management or leadership processes...
from wikipedia org wiki Governance To suggest government is "corrupt by definition" is not an accurate statement. There are hundreds of forms of government on earth, not all are "corrupt by definition". "Corruption" is learned.
@jeffiek Great. Is this wiki definition proof that government (self government or group government) is "corrupt by definition"??? Thousands of laws & regulations are created for the benefit of the corporations, not the protection of people or as a result of some sort of 'evilness' that comes from governing. Statism is perhaps by definition "corrupt", government is NOT. I seek knowledge, "trolls" tend to name call...LOL I know you are, but what am I?
The issue is not moral, it is systemic. They don't just want more government, they want money out of politics, so that we have government representing the people and not the corporations and banks. The banks run the government, so that is the obvious target. The banks have corrupted the government, not the other way around Stefan.
@goldstockbull Saying that the banks run the government while at the same time advocating a "peoples' government" is the main cognitive dissonance of the Left that Stef is exposing. It's like asking the mafia to stop being a mafia. Watch the video again.
@truevoice08 Saying the government is equal to the mafia is extremism. You do realize that throughout human history, power structures have always existed/appeared when there was none? Its otherwise known as "might makes right". The point is you can't just wish it away with idealistic thinking - the job of political philosophy, is to understand how that government can be given power while protecting its citizens from external/internal harm. If anarchy is so perfect, why isn't Somalia a paradise?
@radscorpion8 Before spouting some pseudo intellectualism that no one falls for here, you might first educate yourself and maybe you'll find out that Somalia has not been and is not an anarchy. I can understand that your lazy thinking doesn't allow you to check facts, just repeat like a good repeater the nonsense you hear on youtube from other morons.
@truevoice08 This is in affect the overwhelming cognitive dissonance that Stefan displays. He says how libertarianism will never happen, and is an unrealistic goal because government's never decrease in power. And yet he somehow thinks anarchy, which has an even poorer track record (see all of human history, including Somalia, which is one of the worst places to live in the world) is not only perfectly plausible, but immune from violence and the formation of new power structures.
I feel it was disingenuous of Stefan to title this video "The Wall Street Protests" when he simply spewed the same Orwellian rhetoric he always does and spent very little time on what the protests were really about. I'll admit some of the things he says are thought provoking, but he's got the protesters all wrong. He's exploiting their mission for his own soapbox and that is disingenuous.
@ShadeToSun Orwellian rhetoric?!? Are you serious? Stefan doesn't have to use rhetorical bombast and abstractions to get his point across unlike smug leftist intellectualism. Everything he says he says in simple terms that anybody can understand. The politically incorrect truth is that those protesters have no principled moral grounding nor understanding of how they got f****d. They're just there cause of unemployment and dissatisfaction which they vaguely pin on the 'rich'.
I would say that the reason for that is because libertarians are more economically minded. They have been talking about this shit before it even happened. This audience doesnt need a primer on what happened in 08, an understanding of that stuff is kinda prerequisite.
I also don't understand your view that we should just ignore politics and not get involved. Again, correct me if I am wrong, but the attitude seems to be 'let the system collapse' That seems very naive to me. What is to stop some insane dictator from taking over, and putting us in a situation 10x worse? People are so ignorant and misinformed in the US today, I can see it happening rather easily.
@eviljdog The libertarian recommendation is to withdraw consent by not voting. Participation in politics implies that the system is legitimate. You see, that's the premise that the protesters accept. They want to take power from the 'rich' whom they think are the problem and impose their own brand of Statism. They don't understand the universal lesson that violence doesn't work. Watch the video again.
I really don't understand the system you all seem to want. Please correct me if I am wrong, but you want what is called a 'free market', correct? What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days? The Libertarian / anarchist thing won't work unless we have an educated and informed society, which we are very, very far away from, and I seriously doubt we will get there any time soon.
@eviljdog "What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days? "
I think where you're confused is WHY corporations get away with what they do - regulation. Regulations work opposite the way you were taught they do in social studies - they GIVE corporations power, not restrain them. The book 'The Jungle' is propaganda. In a free market, corporations don't even exist cuz corps are government entities
@eviljdog "What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days? "
I think where you're confused is WHY corporations get away with what they do - regulation. Regulations work opposite the way you were taught they do in social studies - they GIVE corporations power, not restrain them. The book 'The Jungle' is propaganda. In a free market, corporations don't even exist cuz corps are government entities
"The Libertarian / anarchist thing won't work unless we have an educated and informed society, which we are very, very far away from, and I seriously doubt we will get there any time soon."
@eviljdog "What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days?" Definitely not the government which you admit doesn't stop corporations even today with thousands of regulations in the Federal Register. Admitting that corporations 'own' the government while advocating a "peoples' government" is the main cognitive dissonance of the Left. It's like asking the mafia to stop being a mafia.
@truevoice08: thanks for a reasonable answer without insulting. I guess what I am trying to figure out is what do you do about human greed, and thirst for power over others? These things would still be present, even without the state.
@eviljdog Human greed is a constant. I agree with you on that point. The modern fractional reserve banking system is harmful, it is a negative-sum game due to State control of the money supply. There are no rational boundaries for human greed here. However, the rational boundaries inherent in a free market would make human greed pretty much irrelevant just as iPod buyers don't care what makes Steve Jobs get up in the morning. Stefan has very short and brilliant books. I recommend you download.
@eviljdog Are you fucking kidding me? How do you stop corporations from mistreating their employees? DO NOT WORK FOR THEM ASSHOLE. Polluting the environment? DO NOT BUY FROM THEM. Heck, if they want to continue to pollute the environment, demolish the device doing the polluting. You are a stupid son of a bitch. The reason the world sucks is because of people like you.
@SmutFi Exactly. But don't get angry, the majority of people will always be morons, they just cannot think and it isn't an accident that they cannot - most are raised by dumb parent, the others are dumbed down through "education" and some just don't have any curiosity and are ignorant but not dumb. Unfortunately the result in the end is the same.
@SmutFi In a perfect world, sure that would work. The world is not perfect though, and people often do not have the liberty of just not working for them if they need to pay the rent, put food on the table, etc. Insulting me when I am just asking a question is real mature buddy.
@eviljdog Its amazing how you cannot spot the complete lack of logic in your comment. You say "and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days..." Yes these days are the operate words. You see even with your beloved government (hmmm or is it BECAUSE OF IT) the corporations (a legal entity FORMED by the government and given individual right by the GOVERNMENT) are doing this. And you of course extrapolate that in a peaceful system you'd get the same? LOL, think, use your grey matter.
Why get all defensive and insult me for asking legitimate questions? OK, so the gov. is gone, hooray! Now what? You really think power structures would not be formed to oppress people? You really think businesses would not ally to get bigger and more profitable? You are living in a fantasy land. The non-aggression principle is great in theory, but getting people to follow it is another matter entirely. I'm all for this system, it sounds great on paper, but it won't happen for a long time
@eviljdog of course this is true - remember, all governments essentially arose from a stateless society. the only way to maintain a peaceful stateless society therefore, is through a massive philosophical shift in the minds of society - which yes, will take time.
@eviljdog If we are not educated enough to live in a society where no one can legitimately initiate force against someone else, then we are even more not educated enough to give that power to someone.
@NoogLeader Roads, defense, water, healthcare and education can be provided by the free market at a lower cost and with much better quality than any government can provide. It is what you fail to understand. I am willing to pay for those, but I want to have the choice of providing it myself and not pay for it if I want,choose the quality, choose the quantity, choose the terms, negotiate them or to do it my way. A bureaucrat a hundred or a thousand miles away cannot understand my specific needs.
This kind of money could solve every budgetary crisis in the United States. This happens, and all the while, governments continually raise taxes. All of this can be verified by looking at Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports. An introduction to these issues can be found in the video "Corporation Nation": /watch?v=QkfMuvVuETQ
The "government" is more corrupt than even you can imagine. It now hides billions and billions and billions of dollars in investments that have absolutely nothing to do with the money they make taxing us. What governments don't tell you is that city governments are corporations that go around and invest in other corporations and make massive amounts of money that they obfuscate.
'purifying' democracy like athens is wrong. The Athenian democracy destroyed themselves through imperialism just like every other democracy. They got very very rich because they mined a lot of silver. Built a big big navy and army to respond to the Persian threat. Beat the Persians. Then they 'convinced' other smaller city states to come under their 'protection', leading to the very imperialistic Delian League. For those encroachments the Peloponnesian city states led by Sparta beat them.
'purifying' democracy like athens is wrong. The Athenian democracy destroyed themselves through imperialism just like every other democracy. They got very very rich because they mined a lot of silver. Built a big big navy and army to respond to the Persian threat. Beat the Persians. Then they 'convinced' other smaller city states to come under their 'protection', leading to the very imperialistic Delian League. For those encroachments the Peloponnesian city states led by Sparta beat them.
'purifying' democracy like athens is wrong. The Athenian democracy destroyed themselves through imperialism just like every other democracy. They got very very rich because they mined a lot of silver. Built a big big navy and army to respond to the Persian threat. Beat the Persians. Then they 'convinced' other smaller city states to come under their 'protection', leading to the very imperialistic Delian League. For those encroachments the Peloponnesian city states led by Sparta beat them.
@NoogLeader Have you tried leaving? If you voluntary pays taxes, you could also stop, right? Have you tried it? What if I cannot leave for various reasons or what if every other places I can go have governments that are as violent or worst than the one I have. Is this still a voluntary relationship? What if I do not want the services that the government I have provides or what if I want different or better services?
The most important thing this protest is doing is waking people up.... I don't see why stef thinks this is only about convincing the powers that be. ITS WAKING PEOPLE UP!!
@Travis123086 Waking people up from what? Everybody knows there's high unemployment and rising food and gas prices. But few know about the root moral cause of the problem which is State sanctioned violence in the form of control over the money supply which was the root causal element of booms and busts and subsequent interventions, the results of which the protesters now complain about. As Stef said, people are protesting the effects and not the cause. Philosophy works. Learn about it.
Who listens to this clueless noob interviewer? I mean, he actually has listeners? His philosophy sounds like something a college sophomore might ascribe to.
pretorious700 3 weeks ago
I have see the loss of our great factories ,the ponzi scheme that is the FED!!,The total corruption of our political system,corporations and financial structure .The lie that is free trade.Socialism which is all subsidies Propaganda portrayed as news,controlled by the elite.Our military used as a corporate global police force. If this is not stopped we shall be enslaved by the globalist. I ask for nothing from this system,why does it steal from me!! March on !!!!
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WE the People (WE Party) just want what is considered right by 100% of people.
ArlanBerglas 4 months ago
The main problem with the government assisting with this issue is that the men in Washington who call themselves "The Government" are not our Constitution's idea of who the government is. They are a group of individuals working on BEHALF of the companies being protested. "We the people" are the government and until we wrestle our power back from the infiltrators acting as such, and in the best interest of big business - rather than the citizens - we're wasting our time. We need a revolution!
aburling7 4 months ago
@aburling7 Wrong...we need to outgrow the need of the state. That's what Stefan means by educating yourself. What will a revolution right now lead to? We have a highly fractured, state dependent society...any revolution will only lead to a more oppressive government.
munkyusm 4 months ago
Meh. Government is representative. It represents, momentarily, Wall Street. The task at hand is to make government represent people.
gusvoss 5 months ago
@gusvoss Come on, look at recorded history, Google democide, the murder of multimillions in the past century, all of the governments today using central banking to inflate and stealth steal from the citizens, the police becoming more and more militarized, the wars more frequent. Does all that really represent you? did the Bailouts and Stimulus and QEs really represent and benefit you? Does the U.S. jail and legal system that imprisons so many who never hurt anyone represent you? TSA, CIA?
leafwatch 5 months ago
@gusvoss Why do you think the government can "represent the people"? The concept of a "people" tied to political affairs is invalid. The "people" do not think, act or choose. Only individuals do. Appeals to the "will of the people" have been used by megalomaniacs to concentrate power. The most recent example is Obama with his HOPE and CHANGE crap!
But the most important question is: Why have a system of government (monopolized violence) at all?
truevoice08 5 months ago
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scold22 5 months ago
What I got from this is we should just do nothing, because we are all stupid and this Wall Street Protest is already corrupted because of a Website claiming to be the Wall Street Protest. There are people there from all over, that website represents itself, it does not represent all those peoples opinion. It does not matter where it's held, it just matters that it continues and grows and if it does not work in the future it could get violent, so I disagree with the speaker. It's not Philosophy.
4390100 5 months ago
omg...i can't believe it...my hero has finally lost the plot...
...disappointed
...so sad
...*cries into pillow*
...feel so cold
...
CognitiveFeedback 5 months ago
Alex Jones has launched OccupyTheFed. I hope it catches on.
1977Melville 5 months ago
This exactly describes the revolt I felt watching the G20 protestors outside my window a couple summers ago.
rbairos1 5 months ago
I love it when Stef shuts down the host when he starts talking about his mystical, quasi-religious, subjective 'beliefs' about "remote viewing".
KneelingAtlas 5 months ago
Why the obsession with democracy...democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what's for dinner...come on man!
noudo25 5 months ago
Stef..once again... spot on friend!
noudo25 5 months ago
I'll be down at our local 'occupy' telling the state to fuck off! :)
djayuh 5 months ago
One of your errors is assuming that these Wall Street occupiers do not desire destruction for the sake of destruction and hatred.
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regresseur 5 months ago
@regresseur
Right, it really doesn't matter what someone's true motivation is. I see you had the good sense to retract that idiotic comment.
qtutoringhelps 5 months ago
The host seemed very clueless. But as always, a great interview from Stefan
SeiferothX 5 months ago
@stefbot It's easy for us to sit on the sidelines and criticize and comment on the protests, but these rallies would greatly benefit from hearing messages like yours. In one respect, yes, they're taking to the streets and waiving signs and shouting and blowing off steam. In another respect, people are gathering together and having a big conversation and a debate about what to do about the situation. My challenge to you: go join that conversation, please, voices like yours need to be heard. TY.
yidnenda 5 months ago 11
Stefan debating Noam, that would be good.
savemyplaylist 5 months ago
- END THE FED - OBEY THE CONSTITUTION -
razz187 5 months ago
The CEO of a corporation doesnt own the corporation, the shareholders do. He is just hired to run it for them. The extent to which the management of a corporation owns it proportional to how much of the stock they own. If the corporation blows up their stocks go to zero too.
Furthermore, directors are voted in and out all the time. There is far more accountability in a corporation than there is in government.
Equity213 5 months ago
"IT'S ACTIVE COLLUSION WITH THE BEAST"
andrewcnzz 5 months ago 3
i love how stupid the host is. no clue.. no clue..
andrewcnzz 5 months ago
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andrewcnzz 5 months ago
USA is strangulated by wallstreet and the economic military complex.
jemjemde 5 months ago
We are the state and not this few ones who think thats their state ;)
jemjemde 5 months ago
What would happen if the economy would work for the goverment and the goverment for the people? Not the other way around? An outrage huh? Of course the economy is responsible for this crap. Just ask where is the money? Who earns the bugs for all the wars and political decisions and who pays the politics?
wayfarerpg 5 months ago
I am maybe one of those persons that need to get out of the nappies, but the guy in the earphones is full of it. He wants to see for one protesters going to the books and re-write their slogans, but I've seen many well-informed and educated protesters who are making a lot more sense than this guy. This guy is attributing things to the protesters that are simply not true. He is making assumptions and we all know the story about assumptions.
paulmaritz 5 months ago
Nobody says corporations should not make money, but there is a fundamental difference between making money in a legal and acceptable manner and stealing money which has nothing to do with making money.
paulmaritz 5 months ago
You only need 2 demands. 1)END THE FED and return the power back to congress. 2)Strictly obey the Constitution. and immediately impeach and prosecute any elected official that violates his oath of office. <<<<Really is that easy. Every thing unconstitutional goes bye bye. Restore our Constitutional Republic NOW!!! Dr. Ron paul 2012 NO MORE LIES!!!
mcclain194 5 months ago
@mcclain194 The constitution is not magic, it's a piece of paper, it's only power over politicians is that which they choose to accept. If someone doesn't voluntarily "obey the constitution" the only way to force them is with a gun; so is holding that gun? you?
KneelingAtlas 5 months ago
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Why does Stephan say the protesters are advocating more government, more oversight, more regulation? From what I've seen, they are very diverse. They are not one big camp with the same solution. Some are talking about local economies, completely ignoring government and corporations.
katydig 5 months ago
@donnypelliedro
Thank you for these beautiful words, they made my day.
halo2pc 5 months ago
@donnypelliedro
Wouldn't be the consequence of that to take over the media instead of revolting against the government who is able to overpower any demonstration anyway? Let's say we were able to take over one TV station and broadcast the truth all over the country, .... hm, but then again »» what does it help to have people's attention for 24 or 48 hours if they have been brainwashed for DECADES? I have really great difficulties to accept the fact that this system is absolutely waterproof.
halo2pc 5 months ago
I would like to see a single podcast about the role of the mainstream media in this system. I think the lack of responsibility of the media is a key problem for our society because if education could help turning the world around, then only the media is able to reach out to people's hearts & minds. Can't highlight enough how powerful the media actually is and look what they do. Seems to be all crap.
halo2pc 5 months ago 15
@halo2pc Are you trying to insinuate the individuals represented by the collective concept "media" OWE you or anyone else some sort of education? Voluntary exchange is the only path to freedom.
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kopellhinex 4 months ago
@halo2pc Without knowledgeable people the media will remain that way. They are a market institution with fascistic elements, sure the state controls and manipulates them, but if the people were smart enough to see through the lies and bullshit their propaganda would fall on deaf ears.
Hashishin13 1 month ago
..."active collusion with the beast", right...not what we want. Well stated.
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reemanmusic 5 months ago
"This country" was founded on its own law with an inside job - the inside law-conspiracy to control is exactly what needs to be opposed, intelligently and in mass-concert. Like Carlin says, the citizenry having knowledge and intelligence is not what the owners of this country want us to exhibit.
reemanmusic 5 months ago
i love how he just contorts this into a banal sermon to spout his own inane neoliberal agenda. what a twat.
musicbackfromthedead 5 months ago
@musicbackfromthedead I love how you throw floating abstractions like "neoliberal" and totally ignore the actual arguments made in this video. Leftism is an intellectual failure.
truevoice08 5 months ago
and you are informed? who says the want government to do something? start eating meat again stefbot because you mind is disturbed lately
webmacho 5 months ago
@webmacho I've spoken to OWS protesters. They believe in the religion of social democracy. It's just another slave system but with focus on feeding the cattle (welfare). Stefan's views are correct.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@truevoice08 I don't seay Stefan views are not correct, but it is just a prejudice that they all want socialistic goverment or something like that, he made this up and upon this he talks
webmacho 5 months ago
@webmacho He's not saying all of them want socialism. I'm sure there are lots of libertarians in the OWS crowd. The problem is that OWS is represented by a proto-Marxist leadership as evidenced by its website. This is the problem of collective advocacy or activism. So the libertarians in the crowd don't matter.
truevoice08 5 months ago
Ron Paul is the best chance inside the system.
dromeiro 5 months ago
Imagine if even a quarter of the people just steadfastly refused to pay tax! Refused to comply! Just turn their backs on the police! Turn their backs on the government! This is what I would love the protesters to do! On sight of any police just everybody turn around totally ignoring their presence! Shouting at the police to help you will not work! Pleading your case with them will not work! They get paid by the people you are complaining about!!!!
snaz27 5 months ago
I'm in the uk and we have occupy london stock exchange coming up on the 15th... I'm going to attend, but not to protest! I'm going there to try to INJECT some of the philosophies or truths that stefan is talking about here! I will be trying to give it a little more spice though!
You see I believe that if you know what stefan knows, you have somewhat of a responsibility to ACT! I certainly don't propose more protests! But merely to live the life you want now! I will not wait for it to be OK'ED!
snaz27 5 months ago
Yeah I agree with him here, I don't always... I do, however, think its great for people to connect in the way they are at the protests. We need to meet and discuss, we need to get down to pure old common (that isn't common any more) sense! Stefan is fantastic at explaining things in an easy to understand sort of way! I truly believe that one day he will be looked on as one of the pioneers of our true freedom! I just wish he was a little more confrontational! NON COMPLIANCE!
snaz27 5 months ago
Yeah I agree with him here, I don't always... I do, however, think its great for people to connect in the way they are at the protests. We need to meet and discuss, we need to get down to pure old common (that isn't common any more) sense! Stefan is fantastic at explaining things in an easy to understand sort of way! I truly believe that one day he will be looked on as one of the pioneers of our true freedom! I just wish he was a little more confrontational! NON COMPLIANCE!
snaz27 5 months ago
Yeah I agree with him here, I don't always... I do, however, think its great for people to connect in the way they are at the protests. We need to meet and discuss, we need to get down to pure old common (that isn't common any more) sense! Stefan is fantastic at explaining things in an easy to understand sort of way! I truly believe that one day he will be looked on as one of the pioneers of our true freedom! I just wish he was a little more confrontational! NON COMPLIANCE!
snaz27 5 months ago
One of the things that really bugged me about this interview is that the interviewer is trying all he can to display his intellectual capacity, without really listening. I wish he'd just admitted he was wrong or that he didn't really know something or that he wanted to learn more. I have no idea why admitting to not understanding something has become such a social taboo. By saying 'I don't know the answer', rather than continuing a debate having no idea, we'd all learn so much more.
danjonesdj 5 months ago
Oh, you mean let's have the government do their friggin' jobs? As Stefan states the regulations are already there. We just need to call our "law enforcement" off the hard working American people, and have them take all their might into the Office Buildings on Wall Street, and start arresting and beating the traders. Simple as pie.
...And I'm an Anarchist that joining the protests!
TheLadyMichele 5 months ago
/watch?v=MHNDwZM_AS4&feature=player_detailpage#t=383s
awesome
Carnei 5 months ago
this is why i love stef. he just CAN'T compromise or betray the truth
WorthlessCurrency 5 months ago
Actually, according to the CATO institute, during Bush's presidency no less than 70,000 pages of new regulations were added to the federal register every year.
StatelessEuphoria 5 months ago
Also, it seems that the problem doesn't lie within democracy itself, but rather with the fact that i is imposed by force.
LD could be a powerful tool to help organize a voluntary society. Please look into it, I'd love know your thoughts on it!
FightBadIdeas 5 months ago
I don't get why I don't hear more about Liquid Democracy from you, even if it is to debunk it as a solution. I think that that might be what the other guy was asking you when he was talking about non-representative democracy.
LD may not solve all the problems of the State, but it would sure make things better. And you said it yourself that people shouldn't disregard a solution based on the fact that it still has a few problems, if it is the case that its implementation would be an improvement.
FightBadIdeas 5 months ago
I had a college proffesor that once said you need to get out there fight for what you believe sometimes. This is one of those times. This is what is going down. This is the canary in the coal mine. Thank god for all these great people that are pissed and are not going to stand for it anymore.
Spitfireseven 5 months ago
This video is in the #1 spot on my YT channel, other than my main, Playing for Change-music, a positive note.
Michael Moore saying capitalism has got to Go is Totally irresponsible and shows him up, a clueless gatekeeper. These people obfuscate real issues and cannot effect Real Change. Stef is highly logical, I bet he does not paint, dance or do anything deemed as creative, lack of color or beliefs in things unseen. Our brains have both capacities, split level. There must be a reason for it.
SonjaSmith 5 months ago
@SonjaSmith
not that it matters, but in other vids Stef has said he was an actor when he was young, and that if he wasnt doing freedomainradio he would be a painter.
Equity213 5 months ago
Apparently there was a March yesterday protesting police atrocities. If it were me running this thing, I'd March in support of the cops, firemen and their families as part of the great American low paid family. Many of them are severly ill due to 911 and not getting the care they need from the government. Bring THIS to light and have them realize they are The People too. Turning the other cheek is a powerful social tool. Turning the protest against the cops is counter productive.
SonjaSmith 5 months ago
@Zerafinel We are Change . org has done a great job of bringing police into the fold, respecting them and reaching out to them in kindness. Cops, Firemen and their families are also suffering, but have a job to do. Education is key, not the public and cops fighting in the streets. They are not the enemy, believe it or not. Globalists love this SHIT! Distractions!
SonjaSmith 5 months ago
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smilelikeUmeanit90 5 months ago
This guy is so uninformed ! The demise of you tube in your face. Anyone with a video camera in now an authority ! This is what a true shrill looks like ! Nothing but complaints and no solution.
ThePortalNC 5 months ago
@ThePortalNC You're laughably ignorant of this channel for calling Stefan a shill. He gave up a high paying job in IT to focus on his philosophy show. As for solutions, the protesters don't have any. They don't stand on any moral principles nor do they grasp the root cause of the problem (i.e. violent State monopoly over the supply of money). OWS protesters are unemployed and affected by high food and gas prices. It's all animal instinct, nothing special about it. Read Stef's "Everyday Anarchy"
truevoice08 5 months ago
Quote from Occupy Wall Street webpage: "We urge members of the NYPD to remain in solidarity with our cause. These men and women could lose their pensions and benefits during the next round of budget cuts. We ask that members of the NYPD treat all peaceful human beings with respect and care." What?
Zerafinel 5 months ago
Exactly! The problem is staring them in the face! I don't know how many marches where I've seen people try to "reach out" to the police, reason with them. To the police! I'm like face palming myself constantly when I have to watch this. These are the people that slam people's heads against the ground for a living, and you want to plead to them? "Communicate" with them? Over what? Please don't hit me or kidnap me?
Zerafinel 5 months ago
Stef you look so unimpressed when he rambles on about voting. Anyone who's listened to a bunch of your podcasts knows where you're going to bring the conversation next, but at least make some funny faces for us :)
ritherz 5 months ago
stef, your an absolute genius. The corporations gave out bad loans since they knew that they would get covered in the end by robbing the rest of us
nisekicks81 5 months ago
I agree with most of what Steph says. He states "the effect of government power, which is financial corruption" is not an empirical truth. As far as empirical evidence illustrates, the effect of corporatism, (the denial of peoples rights over profits) corrupts government power...NOT the other way around. Thousands of laws & regulations are created for the benefit of the corporations, not the protection of people or as a result of some sort of 'evilness' that comes from governing.
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"Amateur surgery always ends in a bloodbath... " - as always, can count on Stefan to sum up a complex issue into succinct truism!
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573729573 5 months ago
Noam Chomsky announced solidarity with the occupy wall st. folks. Just saying. I am rather dis-heartened that so many of them do seem under-educated on the reasons they are supposedly protesting. But a few of them do know what happened in 1913...and the bigger causes of the economic collapse "symptom".
MCrushala 5 months ago
I dont think the protesters are calling for the government to come in and solve the problem, they're generally just protesting wall street and corporate tyranny, which should have been done a long time ago, especially by anyone believing in freedom. Government tyranny and corporate tyranny are virtually the same thing now, but the corporate elite are the ones in primary control and setting the agenda
oihhow 5 months ago
@oihhow I second that! Well put.
MCrushala 5 months ago
oh Stefan, how I love these videos where you distill your philosophy down to the simple fundamentals - same goes with your Beautiful Freedom video, and other recent vids of yours. they are ripe for sharing and spreading around. keep them coming!
LotharioRowe 5 months ago
People are corrupt, not just government. It doesn't matter what system.
eviljdog 5 months ago
@eviljdog Corruption: dishonesty, esp bribery. People are not born corrupt: it is a learned behavior.
JonathanSeagullUtube 5 months ago
@NoogLeader "Corporations are made as a necessity for business. Not for government."
Wrong again.
A "corporation" is a govt chartered legal person, granted liimited liability in return for special taxes.
The original corporations were things like the East India Company, granted specific monopolies by govt to guarantee profits to their friends and relations.
What people create to facilitate business is called a "firm". While many firms incorporate, to gain limited liability, many do not.
CurtHowland 5 months ago
Good point at around the 20 minute mark. My personal experience backs that up. I put some money into renovating/greening a building. In return, the local government decides to "reevaluate my property" which of course translates to higher property taxes. In other words, I get punished for trying to make a building more efficient not to mention make the neighborhood a little bit better. The work permit triggered this chain of events. This is why slumlords remain slumlords.
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n3rd66 5 months ago
lol unpopular bits of vegetation in their pockets.
DOTCurrency 5 months ago
If these protesters really want to make a difference, each one of them should go out a buy a 10oz bar of silver.
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qwerty94376 5 months ago
SM is an idealist and tends to throw the baby out with the bath water a bit. I think he needs to see change as small steps not one huge swoop. otherwise, love to wallstreet and Steph x
alexkillsdie 5 months ago
@alexkillsdie Stef is not arguing as an idealist in this video. He's accusing the protesters of no principled moral grounding nor causal understanding of the problem. Protests just happen because people are unemployed and complain about high food and gas prices. It's the instinctual reaction, nothing special about it.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@alexkillsdie agreed 100%
eviljdog 5 months ago
This guy seems rather idealistic and mis-educated about democracy. Democracy sucks.
rumco 5 months ago
@rumco Democracy does suck. Stefan is not a fan of democracy.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@truevoice08 Didn't mean Stefan but the guy who was doing the interview with him.
rumco 5 months ago
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@truevoice08 Didn't mean Stefan but the guy who was doing the interview with him.
rumco 5 months ago
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I LOVE THAT.
"The corporations messed up, and -"
"How did they mess up?"
"Uh........."
shamgar001 5 months ago 12
@shamgar001 but they did mess up, morally. They basically took advantage of people for profit. How is that morally correct? How is acting immorally not 'messing up'?
eviljdog 5 months ago
@eviljdog I would agree with that, but I mean that he made such a statement without having anything to back it up until he thought about it for a while.
One gets the impression that he just believed it without really thinking it through.
shamgar001 5 months ago
So what, ALL of Wallstreet stole money (or took the stolen money)?! It's not just one big entity. And as long as they pay the most taxes why shouldn't they abuse the state? The rest of the populace hate them and gladly take their money anyway.
These pathetic little monkies "taking over" Wallstreet are a bunch of idiots.
UrbyKris 5 months ago
If they knew about END THE FED it might be a worthy protest. Instead they want free government cheese. Seems like everyone these days wants their 'FREE' government everything. Buying votes, one ignorant at a time. I bet these hippies will vote Obama in the end.
SonjaSmith 5 months ago
This is the best video to send to your liberal friends, if they will listen. Concise.
It has been said, if you are not liberal when you are young you are heartless, if you are not conservative when you are older you are brainless. The OWS protests are anti-capitalist, not very smart. M.Moore went down and gave an anti-capitalist speech. S. Sarandon as well. The Economic Hit Man is a socialist as well. They are saying Ron Paul and the Free Market is part of the problem. It's sad really.
SonjaSmith 5 months ago
Steph states "the effect of government power, which is financial corruption". As far as empirical practice illustrates, the effect of corporatism, (the denial of peoples rights over profits) corrupts government power...NOT the other way around.
JonathanSeagullUtube 5 months ago
@JonathanSeagullUtube Wall Street doesn't have power on it's own. It needs the government to cartelize the banking industry and prop them up through monetary policy (open market operations or buying up toxic assets) and fiscal policy (bail outs). It's like a rich man orders a mafia to punch wholes in the truck tires of his competitors. Without the mafia, the rich man wouldn't be able to do any harm.
truevoice08 5 months ago
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@truevoice08 Yes, the thugs are legitimized by payments from governments. Governments are not THE cause of financial corruption: most governments utilize institutionalized violence as a method of enforcing the laws that protect profits over peoples rights & freedoms. The effect of corporatism, (the denial of peoples rights over profits) is corrupt governmental power. Simple. you tube search "Global Bankers Rule The World"
JonathanSeagullUtube 5 months ago
@JonathanSeagullUtube "corrupts government power"
Government IS corrupt, by definition.
It is for sale to the highest bidder, always has been, always will be.
Corrupting government makes as much sense as wetting water.
jeffiek 5 months ago
@jeffiek "Government IS corrupt, by definition." Are you suggesting that by attempting to govern my ideas, you are corrupt? Government: The office, function, or authority of a governing individual or body. So self governance is by definition corrupt? T o pee in your sleep is lack of self governance...are you a wet wetter?
JonathanSeagullUtube 5 months ago
@JonathanSeagullUtube Go yank someone else's crank.
You know what you meant the first time you used "government", I know what you meant, everyone that reads it knows what you meant.
jeffiek 5 months ago
@jeffiek To govern: governance: Governance is the activity of governing. It relates to decisions that define expectations, grant power, or verify performance. It consists either of a separate process or of a specific part of management or leadership processes...
from wikipedia org wiki Governance To suggest government is "corrupt by definition" is not an accurate statement. There are hundreds of forms of government on earth, not all are "corrupt by definition". "Corruption" is learned.
JonathanSeagullUtube 5 months ago
@JonathanSeagullUtube governMENT
from wikipedia
Government refers to the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the administrative bureaucracy who control a state at a given time,
Learn to spell troll
jeffiek 5 months ago
@jeffiek Great. Is this wiki definition proof that government (self government or group government) is "corrupt by definition"??? Thousands of laws & regulations are created for the benefit of the corporations, not the protection of people or as a result of some sort of 'evilness' that comes from governing. Statism is perhaps by definition "corrupt", government is NOT. I seek knowledge, "trolls" tend to name call...LOL I know you are, but what am I?
JonathanSeagullUtube 5 months ago
Arrogant, condescending and just plain wrong. I thought I liked Stefan, but not after this video.
goldstockbull 5 months ago
The issue is not moral, it is systemic. They don't just want more government, they want money out of politics, so that we have government representing the people and not the corporations and banks. The banks run the government, so that is the obvious target. The banks have corrupted the government, not the other way around Stefan.
goldstockbull 5 months ago
@goldstockbull Saying that the banks run the government while at the same time advocating a "peoples' government" is the main cognitive dissonance of the Left that Stef is exposing. It's like asking the mafia to stop being a mafia. Watch the video again.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@truevoice08 Saying the government is equal to the mafia is extremism. You do realize that throughout human history, power structures have always existed/appeared when there was none? Its otherwise known as "might makes right". The point is you can't just wish it away with idealistic thinking - the job of political philosophy, is to understand how that government can be given power while protecting its citizens from external/internal harm. If anarchy is so perfect, why isn't Somalia a paradise?
radscorpion8 5 months ago
@radscorpion8 Before spouting some pseudo intellectualism that no one falls for here, you might first educate yourself and maybe you'll find out that Somalia has not been and is not an anarchy. I can understand that your lazy thinking doesn't allow you to check facts, just repeat like a good repeater the nonsense you hear on youtube from other morons.
grumpone 5 months ago
@truevoice08 This is in affect the overwhelming cognitive dissonance that Stefan displays. He says how libertarianism will never happen, and is an unrealistic goal because government's never decrease in power. And yet he somehow thinks anarchy, which has an even poorer track record (see all of human history, including Somalia, which is one of the worst places to live in the world) is not only perfectly plausible, but immune from violence and the formation of new power structures.
radscorpion8 5 months ago
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Amazing.
DionysusAlS 5 months ago
Amazing.
DionysusAlS 5 months ago
turn off auto iris and white balance
charged220 5 months ago
I feel it was disingenuous of Stefan to title this video "The Wall Street Protests" when he simply spewed the same Orwellian rhetoric he always does and spent very little time on what the protests were really about. I'll admit some of the things he says are thought provoking, but he's got the protesters all wrong. He's exploiting their mission for his own soapbox and that is disingenuous.
ShadeToSun 5 months ago
@ShadeToSun Orwellian rhetoric?!? Are you serious? Stefan doesn't have to use rhetorical bombast and abstractions to get his point across unlike smug leftist intellectualism. Everything he says he says in simple terms that anybody can understand. The politically incorrect truth is that those protesters have no principled moral grounding nor understanding of how they got f****d. They're just there cause of unemployment and dissatisfaction which they vaguely pin on the 'rich'.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@ShadeToSun
I would say that the reason for that is because libertarians are more economically minded. They have been talking about this shit before it even happened. This audience doesnt need a primer on what happened in 08, an understanding of that stuff is kinda prerequisite.
Equity213 5 months ago
I also don't understand your view that we should just ignore politics and not get involved. Again, correct me if I am wrong, but the attitude seems to be 'let the system collapse' That seems very naive to me. What is to stop some insane dictator from taking over, and putting us in a situation 10x worse? People are so ignorant and misinformed in the US today, I can see it happening rather easily.
eviljdog 5 months ago 2
@eviljdog The libertarian recommendation is to withdraw consent by not voting. Participation in politics implies that the system is legitimate. You see, that's the premise that the protesters accept. They want to take power from the 'rich' whom they think are the problem and impose their own brand of Statism. They don't understand the universal lesson that violence doesn't work. Watch the video again.
truevoice08 5 months ago
I really don't understand the system you all seem to want. Please correct me if I am wrong, but you want what is called a 'free market', correct? What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days? The Libertarian / anarchist thing won't work unless we have an educated and informed society, which we are very, very far away from, and I seriously doubt we will get there any time soon.
eviljdog 5 months ago 2
@eviljdog "What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days? "
I think where you're confused is WHY corporations get away with what they do - regulation. Regulations work opposite the way you were taught they do in social studies - they GIVE corporations power, not restrain them. The book 'The Jungle' is propaganda. In a free market, corporations don't even exist cuz corps are government entities
MoneyIsSilver 5 months ago
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@eviljdog "What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days? "
I think where you're confused is WHY corporations get away with what they do - regulation. Regulations work opposite the way you were taught they do in social studies - they GIVE corporations power, not restrain them. The book 'The Jungle' is propaganda. In a free market, corporations don't even exist cuz corps are government entities
MoneyIsSilver 5 months ago
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"The Libertarian / anarchist thing won't work unless we have an educated and informed society, which we are very, very far away from, and I seriously doubt we will get there any time soon."
Now you're right about that. You're proof of it.
MoneyIsSilver 5 months ago
@eviljdog "What is to stop corporations from mistreating their employees, polluting the environment, and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days?" Definitely not the government which you admit doesn't stop corporations even today with thousands of regulations in the Federal Register. Admitting that corporations 'own' the government while advocating a "peoples' government" is the main cognitive dissonance of the Left. It's like asking the mafia to stop being a mafia.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@truevoice08: thanks for a reasonable answer without insulting. I guess what I am trying to figure out is what do you do about human greed, and thirst for power over others? These things would still be present, even without the state.
eviljdog 5 months ago
@eviljdog Human greed is a constant. I agree with you on that point. The modern fractional reserve banking system is harmful, it is a negative-sum game due to State control of the money supply. There are no rational boundaries for human greed here. However, the rational boundaries inherent in a free market would make human greed pretty much irrelevant just as iPod buyers don't care what makes Steve Jobs get up in the morning. Stefan has very short and brilliant books. I recommend you download.
truevoice08 5 months ago
@eviljdog Are you fucking kidding me? How do you stop corporations from mistreating their employees? DO NOT WORK FOR THEM ASSHOLE. Polluting the environment? DO NOT BUY FROM THEM. Heck, if they want to continue to pollute the environment, demolish the device doing the polluting. You are a stupid son of a bitch. The reason the world sucks is because of people like you.
SmutFi 5 months ago
@SmutFi Exactly. But don't get angry, the majority of people will always be morons, they just cannot think and it isn't an accident that they cannot - most are raised by dumb parent, the others are dumbed down through "education" and some just don't have any curiosity and are ignorant but not dumb. Unfortunately the result in the end is the same.
grumpone 5 months ago
@SmutFi In a perfect world, sure that would work. The world is not perfect though, and people often do not have the liberty of just not working for them if they need to pay the rent, put food on the table, etc. Insulting me when I am just asking a question is real mature buddy.
eviljdog 5 months ago
@eviljdog Its amazing how you cannot spot the complete lack of logic in your comment. You say "and all the other nonsense large corporations do thee days..." Yes these days are the operate words. You see even with your beloved government (hmmm or is it BECAUSE OF IT) the corporations (a legal entity FORMED by the government and given individual right by the GOVERNMENT) are doing this. And you of course extrapolate that in a peaceful system you'd get the same? LOL, think, use your grey matter.
grumpone 5 months ago
Why get all defensive and insult me for asking legitimate questions? OK, so the gov. is gone, hooray! Now what? You really think power structures would not be formed to oppress people? You really think businesses would not ally to get bigger and more profitable? You are living in a fantasy land. The non-aggression principle is great in theory, but getting people to follow it is another matter entirely. I'm all for this system, it sounds great on paper, but it won't happen for a long time
eviljdog 5 months ago
@eviljdog of course this is true - remember, all governments essentially arose from a stateless society. the only way to maintain a peaceful stateless society therefore, is through a massive philosophical shift in the minds of society - which yes, will take time.
LotharioRowe 5 months ago
@eviljdog If we are not educated enough to live in a society where no one can legitimately initiate force against someone else, then we are even more not educated enough to give that power to someone.
ahtremblay 5 months ago
@NoogLeader Roads, defense, water, healthcare and education can be provided by the free market at a lower cost and with much better quality than any government can provide. It is what you fail to understand. I am willing to pay for those, but I want to have the choice of providing it myself and not pay for it if I want,choose the quality, choose the quantity, choose the terms, negotiate them or to do it my way. A bureaucrat a hundred or a thousand miles away cannot understand my specific needs.
remyroyster 5 months ago
This kind of money could solve every budgetary crisis in the United States. This happens, and all the while, governments continually raise taxes. All of this can be verified by looking at Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports. An introduction to these issues can be found in the video "Corporation Nation": /watch?v=QkfMuvVuETQ
Blissentia 5 months ago
The "government" is more corrupt than even you can imagine. It now hides billions and billions and billions of dollars in investments that have absolutely nothing to do with the money they make taxing us. What governments don't tell you is that city governments are corporations that go around and invest in other corporations and make massive amounts of money that they obfuscate.
Blissentia 5 months ago
Stefan could whip Moore's ass : )
1977Melville 5 months ago
I agree with Stefan. The feds are just as bad as Wall Street.
1977Melville 5 months ago
@1977Melville That's imprecise phrasing. The feds are the 'guns' of Wall Street and the reason they can do damage.
truevoice08 5 months ago
I agree with Stefan. The feds are just as bad as Wall Street.
1977Melville 5 months ago
I think he is spot on.
3o4Titties 5 months ago 2
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'purifying' democracy like athens is wrong. The Athenian democracy destroyed themselves through imperialism just like every other democracy. They got very very rich because they mined a lot of silver. Built a big big navy and army to respond to the Persian threat. Beat the Persians. Then they 'convinced' other smaller city states to come under their 'protection', leading to the very imperialistic Delian League. For those encroachments the Peloponnesian city states led by Sparta beat them.
funfsinn14 5 months ago
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'purifying' democracy like athens is wrong. The Athenian democracy destroyed themselves through imperialism just like every other democracy. They got very very rich because they mined a lot of silver. Built a big big navy and army to respond to the Persian threat. Beat the Persians. Then they 'convinced' other smaller city states to come under their 'protection', leading to the very imperialistic Delian League. For those encroachments the Peloponnesian city states led by Sparta beat them.
funfsinn14 5 months ago
'purifying' democracy like athens is wrong. The Athenian democracy destroyed themselves through imperialism just like every other democracy. They got very very rich because they mined a lot of silver. Built a big big navy and army to respond to the Persian threat. Beat the Persians. Then they 'convinced' other smaller city states to come under their 'protection', leading to the very imperialistic Delian League. For those encroachments the Peloponnesian city states led by Sparta beat them.
funfsinn14 5 months ago
@NoogLeader Have you tried leaving? If you voluntary pays taxes, you could also stop, right? Have you tried it? What if I cannot leave for various reasons or what if every other places I can go have governments that are as violent or worst than the one I have. Is this still a voluntary relationship? What if I do not want the services that the government I have provides or what if I want different or better services?
remyroyster 5 months ago
he's a vaginatarian
Denomolise 5 months ago
@Denomolise lmao
steviesama 5 months ago
Stef are you a vegan?
steviesama 5 months ago
@steviesama I don't know about Vegan. He 'is' vegetarian.
Panpiper 5 months ago
@Panpiper That's a good enough answer actually; thanks.
steviesama 5 months ago
" We are not informed "... FAIL !! we are informed that's why we are and WILL OCCUPY OUR Cities, while you make videos on youtube .
Nuwaupu999 5 months ago
The most important thing this protest is doing is waking people up.... I don't see why stef thinks this is only about convincing the powers that be. ITS WAKING PEOPLE UP!!
Travis123086 5 months ago
@Travis123086 Waking people up from what? Everybody knows there's high unemployment and rising food and gas prices. But few know about the root moral cause of the problem which is State sanctioned violence in the form of control over the money supply which was the root causal element of booms and busts and subsequent interventions, the results of which the protesters now complain about. As Stef said, people are protesting the effects and not the cause. Philosophy works. Learn about it.
truevoice08 5 months ago