The emperor Napoleon III was favorable to the South but wanted to stay neutral, but that didn't stop many Frenchmen to fight inthe both sides, even if many of them joined the South. The only treaty between France and USA was with Louis XVI and the french monarchy but it didn't prevent the USA to make Britain his first trading partner and hating the French in their back because they had again a british colonist mind. USA were almost ready to declare the war to the 1st french empire.
The main issue that I have with this film is that it is really unlikely that slavery would still exist -- people didn't keep slaves to be mean or prove their dominance, they kept slaves because it was profitable. Emphasis on was. Increasing industrialization made it more profitable to just pay workers, compared to feeding, clothing, and housing people for their entire lives. Morality did help end slavery, but only in combination with economics.
All I can do is laugh at the people who take this mockumentary seriously...a MOCKUMENTARY. AKA, a movie thats bound to have lies and bluffs in it. Its a movie, a jab at what America could have been like.
I also have to laugh at the dumb rednecks who wish this movie was the truth. You idiots truly make your stereotype flourish...
@faelismaegnus You know it wasen't made by the BBC? That's called 'the plot'. It was written by Kevin Willmott and distributed by IFC Films, an American film company. The British had literally nothing to do with this.
Looking up my miracle—praying for a nose, some people can worship anything as long as it's got 2 openings. Nostrils work but one way, not independently. Nobody can inhale through the left whilst exhaling with the right.
America is stil a slave-owning nation: 10 billion nonhuman slaves are murdered every year and millions more used in labs, to pull carts, to entertain, etc.
We should abolish nonhuman slavery and ensure that every donkey, horse and cow have a fair and honest wage. We should allow them to vote, to run for office, and to live as free citizens of the United States. It's the least we could do.
@PaulYorkandBabyVegan I would agree with you, and i wish i could, but the fact of the matter is that non-human lives have powered human development since the dawn of our existence. They have been our food, our transportation, and our pets and "entertainment" as you called it for close to ten thousand years. I would rather have them used and killed than humanity literally crumbling under starvation destruction of commerce. Just my option though.
@hippe45 The "argument from tradition" (we have always done it, therefore it's okay morally) has also been used to justify human slavery, and many other practices that more enlightened societies have abandoned (though to be sure we are not without other serious problems, such as total disregard for the environment and future generations). Also there is no such thing as "humane slaughter" -- getting shot in the head or having your throat slit is not humane.
@PaulYorkandBabyVegan an animal life is not equal to a human's. I am not trying to be cruel or mean, or just cause an arguement, i just want you to understand my side. I do believe that how animals are treated is terrible, but unfortunatly was is correct and what is economic are not always the same. though you have a great point that the arguement of tradition is overused and sometimes pointless, animal use and misuse isn't tradition, it is human, and human is never humane
@DavidGHayes - If you would quit humping your sister, the Stars n Bars flag, and your soiled copy of "Atlas Shrugged" and bothered to watch the film you'd see that the claims of "states rights" and "tariffs" are addressed. And that doesn't mean shit when you're human chattel.
This is so typical and hands down a very leftist, stereotypical, bull shit, politically inadequate, and uneducated example of how this country's ignorance can really turn people against each other. The Confederacy was established for protection of States' Rights, not to mention tariffs. I love Liberal America. In fact, they should make a movie called "L.S.A.", it will be comprised of welfare, lazy people, and a class of people who actually do something, but only reap 25% of the benefits.
Slavery not the issue here? Really? LIncoln finally SUMMONS a measure of moraity to go along with his Christianity after a long protracted war with the most arrogant of all peoples, white Southerners, Euro trash who makes good in the South by hook and crook.
They were the FIRST TO OUTSOURCE AMERICAN JOBS. They never meant for this country to be great, they only meant to keep RAPING IT"S RESOURCES.
If the south had won, they would have abolished slavery themselves and cuba would be a state. Still think the confederates are "racist nazis?" you liberal cunts?
Looks interesting and funny but totally unrealistic. Not everyone in the south was a Negro/Jew hating redneck, a few of the Northern generals were southern defecters.
@LivingoffIndie the point isnt to show what would of happened if the South won, but to shed light on current racism, and show real issues that were and are happening since
@LivingoffIndie The "POINT" of the film is to look at what might have happened, had they possessed the resources. Everyone knows that they didn't and that was why they lost, but what if they had? What if the North was the part of the country that was pro-slavery and the South was anti-slavery? The South still would have lost because they didn't have the resources, but you don't have to say that this is pointless. You could say that a documentary about what Kennedy could have done is poin...
@LivingoffIndie Actually the president of the CSA was very prejudice in the war. He listened to one person over another because they were closer. All signs point to that if he has listened to the smarter politian, and attacked a different base, then the Confederacy would have won the war.
The Civil War was not fought only about slavery. There were many free slaves in the south, over 100,000 in New Orleans alone. Some of these free men (African Americans) had black slaves. The border states had slaves in the Union and slavery was very well permitted in the Union until 1865 when the 13th Amendment was ratified. One Union general had many slaves and Lincoln said if he could avoid war without ending slavery, he would. He also said that whites and blacks were not physically equal.
If the south had any intention to take over the washington they seceded from, they probably should've changed the flag, I'm just sayin', the 13 stars on the confederate battle flag stand for the 13 states in the confederacy. The Battle Flag would've dramatically changed if it had to bear 50 stars... And why use the Battle Flag as the national flag? Even IF you're some low level fake 'documentary' atleast get some historic things right. That's all.
man what a wonderful would if our president was pickin cotton instead!...the dumbest thing we ever did in this country was turning our livestock into pets!
@AjCassells no...actually the world looks up to America..they just don't admit it....the whole "looking down" thing is really called jealousy...we are the leading force in the world and have the hardest working smartest people on the face of the planet...and...this country, like it or not was founded by whites....not surprising right?..the baddest country every established on earth...ever...concieved by whites...:) ur welcome bitch ;)
@SNMmountains I'm welcome for what exactly? I assure you, you are not the smartest people on the face of the planet. Your education system seems 50% of young people fail to pass High School level. Your country was founded by whites yes, British whites. America was founded on the principle of equality for all, it's a joke what the 'first americans' did. Also 'The baddest country every established on earth'? Definitely, you guys are very smart indeed. Moron.
@AjCassells i just saw ur a limey LOL! ur welcome for what exactly?...well lets see fucknut...maybe one thing is the fact ur primary language is ENGLISH still!...and ur freedom..and ur computer...and the internet...ect ect ect...like i said "ur welcome" ...really not suprised u dont know all that being ur a green toothed limey P.O.S., anybody who has a bunch of inbreeders on thier money couldnt be to bright
@AjCassells so 50% of us fail HS huh?...well dunno where ur getting those stats...but atleast 50% of us havent fucked our cousins u small island dwelling freek..man thats why british whites left that foggy shithole to found a new country full of new pussy that ur NOT RELATED TOO!....there are many many reasons why us suck so please dont hate me cuz u aint me mothafucka LMFAO!...and btw..LEARN TO TAKE A JOKE and quit puttin those sickly inbreeders on ur money and shit its just wierd
"I am not in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office...." 9/15/1858 campaign speech "I have no
purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery...." 3/4/1861 "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it...." 8/22/1862
letter to Horace Greeley, New York Tribune editor
The words of president Abraham Lincoln, The war between the states had little to do with slavery and everything to do with politics.
@TheGunslinger91 The civil war's causes were broader than just slavery and Lincoln may have thiought about the Union ahead of emancipation, but saving that slavery had "little" to do with the causes of war completely misinterprets the history.. The dividions in culture, politics and the economies between North and Southv rested on the availability of slave labour in the south and the argument about slavery in new terrtories and protect the status quo was what finally drove the successionists.
@TheGunslinger91 Finally someone other than me that know the real reason for the war. Yankees always say its slavery but it is not true it was politics.
While there were a number of causes to the Civil War, make no mistake: the Confederacy was fighting to preserve slavery, while the US fought (initially, at least) to preserve the Union.
@milowent How does directly quoting a former president of the United States make me an idiot? These were his words not mine; did you even read my entire post? Maybe you should examine your own intelligence if all you are capable of is ad hominem attacks such as this.
@TheGunslinger91 i'm capable of shitting down your throat you idiot. you really have no clue about history if you think these quotes mean slavery "had little to do" with the Civil War. The southern terrorists were no better than Al Qaeda.
@milowent You make me laugh son. You are good at slinging meaningless profanity, but this only degrades your own intelligence. I have a very good grasp of history that you obviously do not. If you believe that Southerners defending their homeland against an armed attack from their own government is analogous to Al Qaeda, you are even more ignorant than I originally supposed. Come back when you can behave like a rational adult.
@TheGunslinger91 fuck you, you youngster Benedict Arnold. Why don't you go fap to jefferson davis portraits and piss on black people and donate to Rick Secessionist Perry.
@TheGunslinger91 btw, you should google - overall new heresy punch - john overall was an honest southerner who supported the South, not a holocaust-like denier like you.
@milowent You are obviously a very angry, ignorant, under-educated, and misinformed person. For that, I pity you. I simply quoted a historical fact (which is still the top rated comment btw), which you somehow turned into proof that I am a young, traitor, racist, holocaust denier, who is voting for Rick Perry? I first asked you to examine your own intelligence, now I have reason to question your sanity. Please stop before you degrade yourself even further.
@TheGunslinger91 i won't stop until dumbfucks like you get a fucking life. yeah, i am angry, i am angry that idiots like you live in America. George Washington would spit on you.
@milowent Oh, I am sure you won't stop; but it seems that you have thoroughly demonstrated who is the "dumbfuck" here. I am certainly no idiot (my decorum in this conversation compared to yours pretty well proves that) but I am afraid that conversing with you any longer may make me less intelligent by simply having to read your lies and personal attacks. That being said, you have a lot of learning and growing up to do before you deserve to speak to me. Have a nice day.
@TheGunslinger91 Anti-slavery was essential to the Republican party, and Lincoln's election was thus thought to place slavery in jeopardy. The primary motivation for secession, as was expressly stated by the Confederacy's founders and documents, was to preserve the institution of slavery. Please read the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States, as well as the Cornerstone Speech by Stephens. Your Lincoln quotes are also clarified in Lincoln's letter to Alfred G. Hodges.
@TheGunslinger91 How adorably naive! Sorry, but that's total bullshit. It had everything to do with slavery. You just need to look for these little things in books and writings called "facts". You can typically find them in things called "Ordinances of Secession".
@BloodiestMargie And you call me naive? If you actually read these books and writings you speak of, it would be abundantly apparent that factors such as trade, economy, and federal authority had far greater influence than the mythical mission of emancipation. If the abolition of slavery was the sole reason that the federal government saw fit to wage war against it's own brethren, why did the emancipation proclamation apply only to Southern states? Please educate yourself before casting stones.
@TheGunslinger91 I actually have educated myself; clearly you haven't.
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition"
- "Vice President" Alexander Stephens.
I can cite quotations all day saying pretty much exactly the same thing
@TheGunslinger91 "What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession?...a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery." - Henry Benning, Secession commissioner
"The new administration ... only awaits the inauguration of the new government,.. upon the success of which they have proclaimed freedom to the slave, but eternal degradation for you and for us." - William Harris, Secession commissioner
@TheGunslinger91 "They refuse to recognize our rights of property in slaves, to make a division of the territory, to deprive themselves of their constitutional power to abolish slavery in the Territories or District of Columbia, to increase the efficiency of the fugitive slave law, or make provision for the compensation of the owners of runaway or stolen slaves, or place in the hands of the South any protection against the rapacity of an unscrupulous majority." - J.L.M. Curry
@TheGunslinger91 "Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity" - George Williamson, Secession commissioner
"The rights of African slavery in the United States and the relations of the Federal Government to it.. most assuredly demand at this time explicit definition and final recognition by the North" - Governor Magoffin
@TheGunslinger91 "As the slave-holding States have a common interest in the institution of slavery, and must be common sufferers in its overthrow, I deemed it proper, and it appeared to be the general sentiment of the people, that Alabama should consult and advise with the other slave-holding States, so far as practicable, as to what is best to be done to protect their interests and honor in the impending crisis." - Governor Moore, Alabama
@BloodiestMargie Thanks for the quotations, but you have done little to support your assertion. It is no secret that slavery was a contributor to the opinions of many secessionists; but to say that the entire war was caused by this interest is simply false. In your fury of quotes you still did not address the issue of the astounding hypocrisy of outlawing slavery only in the southern states. If the conflict was about principal, slavery would have been outlawed nationwide.
@TheGunslinger91 You're partly right, it wasn't driven entirely by slavery... the primary cause was racism, and fears of racial integration and "degredation" of whites. In my fury of quotes, you say, I did not address the issue of the Emancipation Proclamation.
Except that has NOTHING TO DO with secession! The states had already seceded by then! They couldn't be influenced by a document sent from the future!
This would be my dream America if niggers were all our slaves again. They're so feeble minded and easily enslaved, but really lazy so you always have to keep whipping them!
Alright im from the south and i get the whole idea what it would have been like if the south had won, but this seems to only be about slavery, and if you read up on your facts the entire war wasnt just about slavery, it was about unfair taxes and mistreatment, this video makes it sound like everyone had slaves, when it was quite the opposite. Only rich land owners had slaves, and most of the people were poor farm owners who couldnt afford slaves.
@Fmaack I'm from all the way North and this would be my fucking dream come true! Niggers are not human. In my opinion, they should all be killed, but I'd settle for them all to be in chains again.
@1488rohowa The Bible says that men should be allowed to keep slaves from neighbouring states. I have a lot of American slaves working in my garden. I wonder if Greenland counts as a neighbouring country.
Even if Confederate forces had won, you would have to two separate Americas. The USA and the CSA. In fact, the real reason for the Civil War was not for the North to free Southern Slaves, but to preserve the Union. Remember the South seceded from the USA and formed the CSA.
I know this film is satire. But it is grossly inaccurate and offensive. Not only to black folks but to white southerners as it ridicules them too.
***This is not true according to Politically incorrect, this is just a joke,a gag.....if your looking for real history you have come to the wrong place........... I recommend geting history from books instead of this government roamed PC.*** ◕‿◕
...but there were other countries that abolished slavery without the need of civil war. Even if the confederates won, this country would have eventually come to our morals after the invention of machinery and manufacturing plants. If there wer still slaves to this day, the white trash wouldn't have jobs.
....U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862...
...Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies...
....Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH. NOT in the North. This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious....
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism?...
....Myth's are continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a
@Trent33424 Had Lincoln and the Union Congress ratified the 13th Amendment during the Civil War it is more than a strong possibility that the border states aligned with the Union would have ceded to join the Confederacy as Missouri, Kentucky,Delaware, and Maryland (aforementioned border states) all being slave states . Were this to have occured the North might have indeed negotiated peaceful surrender as Washington D.C. would have found itself surrounded on all dies by the Confederacy.
@Trent33424 So you see, it was not a moral choice, or federal deception, or whatever conspiracy theory you wish to argue that Lincoln and the Union Congress did not ratify the 13th Amendment until after the war, but rather a political and strategical gambit. And as far as the Emancipation Proclamation, it was merely an event that marked the turning of the Civil War from a battle to preserve the Union to a battle to reform the nation (i.e. no slavery).In reality it had no effect other than this.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865....
Good thing Republicans were able to abolish slavery, give blacks the voting rights act and the civil rights act, all while the Democrats fought them. The Demcorats only gave us the KKK.
Honestly, slavery is the first thing taught nowadays to bring up why the South wanted to leave the Union, but actually it was not the biggest issue. Had the south won, slavery would have eventually died out for economic reasons anyway. I found the movie entertaining, but pretty innacurate from the historical perspective.
@S0N0FLIBERTY I agree with everything you said... if anything blacks would probably be treated the way mexicans are today probably required to get a green card and if they didnt paid extremely low wages...or more than likely just completely abolished but to be honest I think the nation would be better off if they had won...its to central nowadays and its way too undeveloped...we fuckin buy everything from china!
You guys are all idiots. Do some research, slavery wasn't even abolished by lincoln until about half way through the war ... when the north was losing. Lincoln freed the slaves, if and only if they would fight for the north. The civil war was about secession not slavery, yes slavery was a big part, but it wasnt the reason. Everyone plays the south out to be evil, but the north were murderers, rapists, and thieves, they hated the african americans, and caused many of them to die.
@controversyking No, it's in the Constitution that the Union can be dissolved, by agreement of 3/4s of the states (or thru Amending the Constitution), but no state may leave on it's own, nor a group to go form another nation on this continent.. Either the whole thing goes and we're 50 countries or we are one, there's no middle ground.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong. The battle of Fort Sumter started the shooting war, the Confederate army attacked first and captured a Union stronghold. Not to mention secession was itself a declaration of war, you don't get to take United States land.
This movie was good. but sooo Bias. 1st off Slavery was Dying EVEN in the Confederacy Virgina was about to Abolish it. & back then Virgina was like the Popular Kid in High School, once it did something all the others followed. Also Hitler HATED America. He even Supported Abe Lincoln so the idea of Hitler aiding the CSA is also something to Laugh at
Okay, all you southerners who are still mad at the north for winning, you do know your little southern nation would be worth crap. Your economy would go bust after about 1890 and your'e "nation" would probably be the equivalent of North Korea today if you still had segregation or slavery. Also your country would be dirt poor and you'd be still even more uneducated. So be thankful you live in the USA, because in spite of its problems, it's a great nation. The CSA would of been a craphole
I agree its hilarious, and i am a born Confederate. Even a blue-blooded yankee knows that this is nothing like what would have happened. The South wanted independence, and nothing to do with the Union, let alone annex it (though it was not opposed to additional states in the union joining). In addition, with the cotton boom over and abolition spreading among its trade partners, the CSA would have rid itself of slavery. but for now it is an occupied nation, and for now i can take a small joke
this is so full of crap the south wanted freedom form the north not to take over the north. the same thing the US wanteed from england. the war was more then a black and white issue. but people don't want to see that. And are we that better off staing togeather as a union our country is dieing. I truly feel that if the south would have won atleast the southern half country would still have good jobs. and how is the race issue ever going to not be an issue if people like you keep bring it up?
I dare anyone of you southerners this question - Would the Southerners, if they won the Civil War, sooner or later emancipate the Black slaves themselves? If so, which person would lead the emancipation?
@TheVoiceOfReason93@TheVoiceOfReason93 How about Robert E. Lee, who, like Jefferson, opposed slavery but was afraid of the economic repercussions of immediate emancipation. with his status as a war hero, he could have risen to the presidency as grant did in the union. in fact, in the late 1700s early 1800s, their was a trend towards emancipation in the South which ended because of the cotton boom. during the war, when the CSA threatened to cut off Britains cotton supply, Britain (continued)
@TheVoiceOfReason93 increased cotton production in Egypt and India, so that its supply would not be threatened again. This drove cotton prices to rock bottom, ending the cotton boom. the same trend as before would have occurred, even more so now that its primary potential trade partners in europe were abolitionist.. gradual emancipation would have been better for all involved. The south entered a chronic era of poverty that did not end until the 50s and 60s. Not only did whites (continued)
@TheVoiceOfReason93 but african americans as well. you know those slave chronicles you yankees love quoting? 70% actually reported a drop in standard in living after the war due to the fact that they had no way of adjusting to managing homes or wages, and ended up broke and unable to afford the food, shelter, and health care that was before provided by their masters (this is not advocating slavery, but simply condemning the mistake of not considering the consequences of immediate emancipation)
@grufle1906 Sorry but it sounds to me like you're saying "Stupid darkies shoulda stayed in bondage till they we were damn good and ready to let them go" I know that's not what you meant, but it sounds like that.
Would the south have eventually abandoned slavery? Yes, but I highly doubt they would've started treating them like equals or things would've turned out better. It probably would've taken longer to get rid of than what Emancipation accomplished.
I think that slavery is far enough in the past for America that it is safe for me to say that I find this to be hilarious. How can anyone watch this and respond with a serious and heavy-handed attitude? It is like getting offended by the Onion Network. This is a gag.
@JoshuaH688 --thats exactly why there is racial tension between us , because you dont want to honor the past that made this present day , I will always honor my ancesters and never laugh at O.J. SIMPSON Jokes - truth
Ah, and here on white horses ride in the Knights of Southern Apologetics. The south gave us slavery, segregation, and by and large today still makes us the laughing stock of the world with their religious bigotry and editing of high school textbooks. Frankly, if they want to secede again, I say we let them. Mark Twain was the last good thing to come out of those woods.
The director of this movie is black. I have watched it and it is crap. This entire thing is crap. Slavery was dying at the begining of the War. How many times does this have to be repeated?
Robert The Bruce once said (not just in the movie) "History is written by those who have hanged heroes" ...but of course this is not the case I found the film both humorous and appalling...the end..
of course it's stupid. its flogging a dead horse, too. The truth became clear a long time ago and is stronger than ever, but for some it is and will remain a hard thing to swallow.
"It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision.." Gen Patrick Cleburne
Wow.... I'm glad the CSA is remembered for what they believed in.... I wonder what the first set of American rebels would have been remembered as if they lost the war in 76. Would it be for their genocidal attitudes toward Indians or their disrespect for the rule of law?
@majicdragon51 They believed the insitution of Slavery should be protected, thats why they were seceeding, their states rights to own slaves were being encroached on by the federal government. It was in the CSA constitution.
@FNGLHR to the common confederate though, it was an issue of control. Taxes are necessary, but the fact that the British parliament forced them on Americans without representation was what convinced them to secede from the British Empire. It was simply the fact that the north wielded to much control over the lives of people on the other side of the country
@grufle1906 That's not how the North saw it, they saw it as Rich southern slave owners having too much power in Congress and turned the tables by electing Lincoln instead. Southern lobbyists kept pushing for new territories to become slave owning, there was the law passed in Congress that made any slave that had escaped to the north eligible to be returned to his master by force. When the North tried to even the balance of power in congress and the senate the South took offence.
Nobody voted for Lincoln in the south because they thought he was gonna free the slaves, Lincoln of course may have hated the institution but he wasn't prepared to get rid of it at the risk of breaking up the union. However the Rich Slave owning people of the south convinced the regular joes you mentioned that the North were taking away their rights, namely Slavery. Even those who did not own slaves had lived with the institution so long that they accepted it as something of the norm.
Yes the south saw it as the north controlling their rights, but again, rights over what? Slaves, their right to own slaves. And meanwhile the North saw it in terms of control too, as it appeared for a long time the South had far too much power in the Government and was able to pass any legislation they wanted, mostly about expanding Slavery.
You can't run from it, no matter how hard you try everything comes back to the founders of the Confederacy not wanting to give up their slaves. That was a primary reason for their actions and they passed along this propaganda to the regular folks who didn't own slaves that this was about protecting their freedoms from "yankee" oppression.
@Bigmoonproductions Um... okay, I have no idea what you were trying to say in that incredibly grammar deprived statement. I'll try and understand.
Okay, so, the war was about State rights and freedom from oppressive government. Fair enough, state rights to what? Why did the south feel the government was oppressive and unfair? What was the greatest fear Southerners had about Lincoln? I've mentioned all of this before, it all comes back to slavery.
Why would any of those soldiers care about slavery? 96% didnt even own slaves, so why the fuck did they risk their lives? Your still following the false victor side of the story. Davis, Lee, and Jackson all didnt like slavery and even knew it would few away eventually. They fought the same reasons like in the revolution. Ya reall think it comes back to slavery? Then you really have some reading to do. Ive done mine...ive checked both sides of the story.
@Bigmoonproductions Lee was an abolitionist, fair enough, this movie itself even says he was. Why would they care about slavery? Because even to those who didn't own slaves, slavery was just a fact a life. It was something they believed they had a right too. And most importantly, protecting slavery, WAS IN THEIR CONSTITUTION!
@Bigmoonproductions It was the reason they hated Lincoln because he was described as someone who would free the slaves, its why no one voted for him south of the mason dixon, it was on Anti-Lincoln posters back then that he would end slavery! When given the option to free the slaves completely and make them soldiers the Confederate congress, Davis included, shouted it down!
@Bigmoonproductions For claiming to look at both sides of the story you're awfully bias in favor of one group calling the other "false victors" does not raise my confidence in your historian credentials. Also you ignored my intial question. You said the war was about state rights, I didn't say that was wrong, I asked state rights to what? You didn't answer that particular question. By in large you are correct on quite a few points, but you've skewed to take the blame of the confederacy.
Dude, wtf do u mean what states rights? How bout better representation in the goverment, AND THE RIGHT TO GOVERN YOURSELF, HELLO? That was a right given by our founding fathers in the revoltuion....disrespectful. The civil asr was obviously a counter revolution to free the federal goverment of power restrictions under the constitution, it sure fucking worked. Look at our goverment today....
@Bigmoon Again you dance around the question, why did the south feel they weren't properly represented? Why did the south want to govern itself? What were the state rights they believed were being infringed?
@Bigmoon Hint, I've mentioned what their constitution flat out declared it was protecting and what the South kept fighting for when a new territory was adopted into the union. When you say the war was about state rights, you are deliberatly ignoring exactly what those rights were. The right to own people.
@Bigmoon Oh and that little, "free federal government of power restrictions", yeah it's so horrible that the government can regulate say "how much lead can be in a child's toy" for example. Obviously if you want the government making laws you also want them becoming the Third Reich, that makes sense.
@Bigmoonproductions And what power restrictions did the Civil War remove from the Federal government? The inability for the Federal government to outlaw a barbaric practice that allowed one to treat people like horses at auction perhaps? You're dancing around this core issue like a mexican hat. I'm not disagreeing with you on how the South felt about the war, I'm trying to show you you're leaving out an important reason they felt that way that you're deliberatly ignoring.
this is actually a really great idea for a movie i gotta see it now
TheHONKYLIPS 1 week ago
The emperor Napoleon III was favorable to the South but wanted to stay neutral, but that didn't stop many Frenchmen to fight inthe both sides, even if many of them joined the South. The only treaty between France and USA was with Louis XVI and the french monarchy but it didn't prevent the USA to make Britain his first trading partner and hating the French in their back because they had again a british colonist mind. USA were almost ready to declare the war to the 1st french empire.
CutyBecky 1 week ago
The france would have joined the north because they had a teaty with them so the sides would be balanced
Gadjet567 1 week ago
I don't think their would have been as much involving slaves.Just one more country in north america.
mconly92 3 weeks ago
The main issue that I have with this film is that it is really unlikely that slavery would still exist -- people didn't keep slaves to be mean or prove their dominance, they kept slaves because it was profitable. Emphasis on was. Increasing industrialization made it more profitable to just pay workers, compared to feeding, clothing, and housing people for their entire lives. Morality did help end slavery, but only in combination with economics.
Migratoryprimate 4 weeks ago
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Tzelemel 4 weeks ago
Meanwhile in the U.S.A.
Southerndragon100 1 month ago
And again fuck you douche bag suck my confederate balls and kiss my ass you lieing yankee scum
tomrad1001 1 month ago
This video is direspectful to me and any southern person I damn this video and its creater you narrow minded fuck
tomrad1001 1 month ago
All I can do is laugh at the people who take this mockumentary seriously...a MOCKUMENTARY. AKA, a movie thats bound to have lies and bluffs in it. Its a movie, a jab at what America could have been like.
I also have to laugh at the dumb rednecks who wish this movie was the truth. You idiots truly make your stereotype flourish...
civiccruiser117 2 months ago
What... the.... fuck.....
thefightmaster3000 2 months ago
There would have been an exodus of blacks to Mexico and latinamerica. They would be the illegal aliens, but they would have been free.
In latinamerica slavery was abolished in the 1820's.
brestingheedness 2 months ago
The BBC is full of retarded people. They make a lot of ignorant crap like this. Cheap, shallow Monty Python knock-off.
faelismaegnus 3 months ago
@faelismaegnus You know it wasen't made by the BBC? That's called 'the plot'. It was written by Kevin Willmott and distributed by IFC Films, an American film company. The British had literally nothing to do with this.
AjCassells 2 months ago
That was scary.
xosophiegrl 3 months ago
im from the north and this offended me. when will people give the south a break?
MsFriedchiken 3 months ago
THESE THINGS TERRESTRIAL
MONKEY OPENINGS
Looking up my miracle—praying for a nose, some people can worship anything as long as it's got 2 openings. Nostrils work but one way, not independently. Nobody can inhale through the left whilst exhaling with the right.
CelestialEmbodiment 4 months ago
I think I just threw up... XP
gogdee 4 months ago
“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State.”
— James Angleton, C.I.A.
CelestialEmbodiment 4 months ago
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt
CelestialEmbodiment 4 months ago
America is stil a slave-owning nation: 10 billion nonhuman slaves are murdered every year and millions more used in labs, to pull carts, to entertain, etc.
PaulYorkandBabyVegan 4 months ago
@PaulYorkandBabyVegan
Yes, I agree.
We should abolish nonhuman slavery and ensure that every donkey, horse and cow have a fair and honest wage. We should allow them to vote, to run for office, and to live as free citizens of the United States. It's the least we could do.
pkattk 4 months ago
@PaulYorkandBabyVegan I would agree with you, and i wish i could, but the fact of the matter is that non-human lives have powered human development since the dawn of our existence. They have been our food, our transportation, and our pets and "entertainment" as you called it for close to ten thousand years. I would rather have them used and killed than humanity literally crumbling under starvation destruction of commerce. Just my option though.
hippe45 3 months ago
@hippe45 The "argument from tradition" (we have always done it, therefore it's okay morally) has also been used to justify human slavery, and many other practices that more enlightened societies have abandoned (though to be sure we are not without other serious problems, such as total disregard for the environment and future generations). Also there is no such thing as "humane slaughter" -- getting shot in the head or having your throat slit is not humane.
PaulYorkandBabyVegan 3 months ago
@PaulYorkandBabyVegan an animal life is not equal to a human's. I am not trying to be cruel or mean, or just cause an arguement, i just want you to understand my side. I do believe that how animals are treated is terrible, but unfortunatly was is correct and what is economic are not always the same. though you have a great point that the arguement of tradition is overused and sometimes pointless, animal use and misuse isn't tradition, it is human, and human is never humane
hippe45 3 months ago
@DavidGHayes - If you would quit humping your sister, the Stars n Bars flag, and your soiled copy of "Atlas Shrugged" and bothered to watch the film you'd see that the claims of "states rights" and "tariffs" are addressed. And that doesn't mean shit when you're human chattel.
wesleystreet 4 months ago
This is so typical and hands down a very leftist, stereotypical, bull shit, politically inadequate, and uneducated example of how this country's ignorance can really turn people against each other. The Confederacy was established for protection of States' Rights, not to mention tariffs. I love Liberal America. In fact, they should make a movie called "L.S.A.", it will be comprised of welfare, lazy people, and a class of people who actually do something, but only reap 25% of the benefits.
DavidGHayes91 4 months ago
did ya'll miss that the film was an ifc and spike lee presentation?
wineeyes 5 months ago
at 1:18, whats "Darkie"?
getexcitedd 5 months ago
What a great Tea Party ad.
spinningthirdeye 5 months ago
Slavery not the issue here? Really? LIncoln finally SUMMONS a measure of moraity to go along with his Christianity after a long protracted war with the most arrogant of all peoples, white Southerners, Euro trash who makes good in the South by hook and crook.
They were the FIRST TO OUTSOURCE AMERICAN JOBS. They never meant for this country to be great, they only meant to keep RAPING IT"S RESOURCES.
Abraham Lincoln. What a phony country we are.
janejoad 5 months ago
If the south had won, they would have abolished slavery themselves and cuba would be a state. Still think the confederates are "racist nazis?" you liberal cunts?
samuriguy909 5 months ago
My best friend is sitting next to me. She's black... and she thinks this is hilarious.
ytnate93 6 months ago
If we had of won the civil war, I really doubt we would've conquered the rest of the US, much less attempted to do so...
mrmaster117 6 months ago
Looks interesting and funny but totally unrealistic. Not everyone in the south was a Negro/Jew hating redneck, a few of the Northern generals were southern defecters.
Wizdome1 6 months ago
Well there would be no Obama
Flamesofthunder 6 months ago
Pointless. The South couldn't have won. They didn't have the resources to win.
LivingoffIndie 7 months ago 5
@LivingoffIndie the point isnt to show what would of happened if the South won, but to shed light on current racism, and show real issues that were and are happening since
hippe45 7 months ago
@LivingoffIndie dont count on weapons.. its been prooven before ..
iSlash96 6 months ago
@LivingoffIndie Amen to that!!!
Wizdome1 6 months ago
@LivingoffIndie The "POINT" of the film is to look at what might have happened, had they possessed the resources. Everyone knows that they didn't and that was why they lost, but what if they had? What if the North was the part of the country that was pro-slavery and the South was anti-slavery? The South still would have lost because they didn't have the resources, but you don't have to say that this is pointless. You could say that a documentary about what Kennedy could have done is poin...
cwalk50rice 3 weeks ago
@LivingoffIndie ...tless because he got shot and never stood a chance. I think your comment was pointless, personally.
cwalk50rice 3 weeks ago
@LivingoffIndie Actually the president of the CSA was very prejudice in the war. He listened to one person over another because they were closer. All signs point to that if he has listened to the smarter politian, and attacked a different base, then the Confederacy would have won the war.
CormorantFive 6 days ago
@MrBenCaesar Twice as many yanks were killed you dumb ass.
bman12349 7 months ago
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The Civil War was not fought only about slavery. There were many free slaves in the south, over 100,000 in New Orleans alone. Some of these free men (African Americans) had black slaves. The border states had slaves in the Union and slavery was very well permitted in the Union until 1865 when the 13th Amendment was ratified. One Union general had many slaves and Lincoln said if he could avoid war without ending slavery, he would. He also said that whites and blacks were not physically equal.
bbouch111 8 months ago
If the south had any intention to take over the washington they seceded from, they probably should've changed the flag, I'm just sayin', the 13 stars on the confederate battle flag stand for the 13 states in the confederacy. The Battle Flag would've dramatically changed if it had to bear 50 stars... And why use the Battle Flag as the national flag? Even IF you're some low level fake 'documentary' atleast get some historic things right. That's all.
TheWackoDouche 8 months ago
What music is that at 1:03?
ploccoson 8 months ago
man what a wonderful would if our president was pickin cotton instead!...the dumbest thing we ever did in this country was turning our livestock into pets!
SNMmountains 8 months ago
@SNMmountains Wow. So -that- is why the world looks down on Americans.
AjCassells 7 months ago
@AjCassells no...actually the world looks up to America..they just don't admit it....the whole "looking down" thing is really called jealousy...we are the leading force in the world and have the hardest working smartest people on the face of the planet...and...this country, like it or not was founded by whites....not surprising right?..the baddest country every established on earth...ever...concieved by whites...:) ur welcome bitch ;)
SNMmountains 3 months ago
@SNMmountains I'm welcome for what exactly? I assure you, you are not the smartest people on the face of the planet. Your education system seems 50% of young people fail to pass High School level. Your country was founded by whites yes, British whites. America was founded on the principle of equality for all, it's a joke what the 'first americans' did. Also 'The baddest country every established on earth'? Definitely, you guys are very smart indeed. Moron.
AjCassells 2 months ago
@AjCassells i just saw ur a limey LOL! ur welcome for what exactly?...well lets see fucknut...maybe one thing is the fact ur primary language is ENGLISH still!...and ur freedom..and ur computer...and the internet...ect ect ect...like i said "ur welcome" ...really not suprised u dont know all that being ur a green toothed limey P.O.S., anybody who has a bunch of inbreeders on thier money couldnt be to bright
SNMmountains 2 months ago
@AjCassells so 50% of us fail HS huh?...well dunno where ur getting those stats...but atleast 50% of us havent fucked our cousins u small island dwelling freek..man thats why british whites left that foggy shithole to found a new country full of new pussy that ur NOT RELATED TOO!....there are many many reasons why us suck so please dont hate me cuz u aint me mothafucka LMFAO!...and btw..LEARN TO TAKE A JOKE and quit puttin those sickly inbreeders on ur money and shit its just wierd
SNMmountains 2 months ago
"I am not in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office...." 9/15/1858 campaign speech "I have no
purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery...." 3/4/1861 "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it...." 8/22/1862
letter to Horace Greeley, New York Tribune editor
The words of president Abraham Lincoln, The war between the states had little to do with slavery and everything to do with politics.
TheGunslinger91 9 months ago 16
@TheGunslinger91 The civil war's causes were broader than just slavery and Lincoln may have thiought about the Union ahead of emancipation, but saving that slavery had "little" to do with the causes of war completely misinterprets the history.. The dividions in culture, politics and the economies between North and Southv rested on the availability of slave labour in the south and the argument about slavery in new terrtories and protect the status quo was what finally drove the successionists.
DRDFOX 6 months ago
@TheGunslinger91 Finally someone other than me that know the real reason for the war. Yankees always say its slavery but it is not true it was politics.
JandJproductions1809 6 months ago
@TheGunslinger91
While there were a number of causes to the Civil War, make no mistake: the Confederacy was fighting to preserve slavery, while the US fought (initially, at least) to preserve the Union.
TheOx129 6 months ago
@TheGunslinger91 i'm sorry to see what an idiot you are.
milowent 1 month ago
@milowent How does directly quoting a former president of the United States make me an idiot? These were his words not mine; did you even read my entire post? Maybe you should examine your own intelligence if all you are capable of is ad hominem attacks such as this.
TheGunslinger91 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 i'm capable of shitting down your throat you idiot. you really have no clue about history if you think these quotes mean slavery "had little to do" with the Civil War. The southern terrorists were no better than Al Qaeda.
milowent 1 month ago
@milowent You make me laugh son. You are good at slinging meaningless profanity, but this only degrades your own intelligence. I have a very good grasp of history that you obviously do not. If you believe that Southerners defending their homeland against an armed attack from their own government is analogous to Al Qaeda, you are even more ignorant than I originally supposed. Come back when you can behave like a rational adult.
TheGunslinger91 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 fuck you, you youngster Benedict Arnold. Why don't you go fap to jefferson davis portraits and piss on black people and donate to Rick Secessionist Perry.
milowent 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 btw, you should google - overall new heresy punch - john overall was an honest southerner who supported the South, not a holocaust-like denier like you.
milowent 1 month ago
@milowent You are obviously a very angry, ignorant, under-educated, and misinformed person. For that, I pity you. I simply quoted a historical fact (which is still the top rated comment btw), which you somehow turned into proof that I am a young, traitor, racist, holocaust denier, who is voting for Rick Perry? I first asked you to examine your own intelligence, now I have reason to question your sanity. Please stop before you degrade yourself even further.
TheGunslinger91 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 i won't stop until dumbfucks like you get a fucking life. yeah, i am angry, i am angry that idiots like you live in America. George Washington would spit on you.
milowent 1 month ago
@milowent Oh, I am sure you won't stop; but it seems that you have thoroughly demonstrated who is the "dumbfuck" here. I am certainly no idiot (my decorum in this conversation compared to yours pretty well proves that) but I am afraid that conversing with you any longer may make me less intelligent by simply having to read your lies and personal attacks. That being said, you have a lot of learning and growing up to do before you deserve to speak to me. Have a nice day.
TheGunslinger91 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 go put some coal in stockings tonight, satan.
milowent 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 did you read the Overall editorial btw? Learn from actual confederates who weren't liars.
milowent 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 Anti-slavery was essential to the Republican party, and Lincoln's election was thus thought to place slavery in jeopardy. The primary motivation for secession, as was expressly stated by the Confederacy's founders and documents, was to preserve the institution of slavery. Please read the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States, as well as the Cornerstone Speech by Stephens. Your Lincoln quotes are also clarified in Lincoln's letter to Alfred G. Hodges.
CheckOutMeSweetSN 1 month ago
@TheGunslinger91 How adorably naive! Sorry, but that's total bullshit. It had everything to do with slavery. You just need to look for these little things in books and writings called "facts". You can typically find them in things called "Ordinances of Secession".
BloodiestMargie 1 week ago
@BloodiestMargie And you call me naive? If you actually read these books and writings you speak of, it would be abundantly apparent that factors such as trade, economy, and federal authority had far greater influence than the mythical mission of emancipation. If the abolition of slavery was the sole reason that the federal government saw fit to wage war against it's own brethren, why did the emancipation proclamation apply only to Southern states? Please educate yourself before casting stones.
TheGunslinger91 1 week ago
@TheGunslinger91 I actually have educated myself; clearly you haven't.
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition"
- "Vice President" Alexander Stephens.
I can cite quotations all day saying pretty much exactly the same thing
BloodiestMargie 1 week ago
@TheGunslinger91 "What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession?...a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery." - Henry Benning, Secession commissioner
"The new administration ... only awaits the inauguration of the new government,.. upon the success of which they have proclaimed freedom to the slave, but eternal degradation for you and for us." - William Harris, Secession commissioner
BloodiestMargie 1 week ago
@TheGunslinger91 "They refuse to recognize our rights of property in slaves, to make a division of the territory, to deprive themselves of their constitutional power to abolish slavery in the Territories or District of Columbia, to increase the efficiency of the fugitive slave law, or make provision for the compensation of the owners of runaway or stolen slaves, or place in the hands of the South any protection against the rapacity of an unscrupulous majority." - J.L.M. Curry
BloodiestMargie 1 week ago
@TheGunslinger91 "Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity" - George Williamson, Secession commissioner
"The rights of African slavery in the United States and the relations of the Federal Government to it.. most assuredly demand at this time explicit definition and final recognition by the North" - Governor Magoffin
BloodiestMargie 1 week ago
@TheGunslinger91 "As the slave-holding States have a common interest in the institution of slavery, and must be common sufferers in its overthrow, I deemed it proper, and it appeared to be the general sentiment of the people, that Alabama should consult and advise with the other slave-holding States, so far as practicable, as to what is best to be done to protect their interests and honor in the impending crisis." - Governor Moore, Alabama
BloodiestMargie 1 week ago
@BloodiestMargie Thanks for the quotations, but you have done little to support your assertion. It is no secret that slavery was a contributor to the opinions of many secessionists; but to say that the entire war was caused by this interest is simply false. In your fury of quotes you still did not address the issue of the astounding hypocrisy of outlawing slavery only in the southern states. If the conflict was about principal, slavery would have been outlawed nationwide.
TheGunslinger91 1 week ago
@TheGunslinger91 You're partly right, it wasn't driven entirely by slavery... the primary cause was racism, and fears of racial integration and "degredation" of whites. In my fury of quotes, you say, I did not address the issue of the Emancipation Proclamation.
Except that has NOTHING TO DO with secession! The states had already seceded by then! They couldn't be influenced by a document sent from the future!
BloodiestMargie 6 days ago
This would be my dream America if niggers were all our slaves again. They're so feeble minded and easily enslaved, but really lazy so you always have to keep whipping them!
1488rohowa 9 months ago
This movie is funny, cus it shows how messed up the US would be of the southerners had won!!!!! its poking fun at their stupid ideologies!!!
Ranciddroog 9 months ago
HAHAHA!!! I love it...wish it were true :(
GuMpAkC 10 months ago
Alright im from the south and i get the whole idea what it would have been like if the south had won, but this seems to only be about slavery, and if you read up on your facts the entire war wasnt just about slavery, it was about unfair taxes and mistreatment, this video makes it sound like everyone had slaves, when it was quite the opposite. Only rich land owners had slaves, and most of the people were poor farm owners who couldnt afford slaves.
TheMisterBowie 10 months ago
God I love the music from 1:00 to the ending. I gotta keep listening.
S0N0FLIBERTY 10 months ago
Disturbing to everyone in the North, fantasy for everyone in the South. :)
Fmaack 10 months ago
@Fmaack I'm from all the way North and this would be my fucking dream come true! Niggers are not human. In my opinion, they should all be killed, but I'd settle for them all to be in chains again.
1488rohowa 9 months ago
@1488rohowa The Bible says that men should be allowed to keep slaves from neighbouring states. I have a lot of American slaves working in my garden. I wonder if Greenland counts as a neighbouring country.
Fmaack 9 months ago
how digusting
MrMnx666 11 months ago
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neonrainbowful 11 months ago
@neonrainbowful Why?
amandaj781 11 months ago
@amandaj781 I don't know at first I it did then I watched it again.....
neonrainbowful 11 months ago
Even if Confederate forces had won, you would have to two separate Americas. The USA and the CSA. In fact, the real reason for the Civil War was not for the North to free Southern Slaves, but to preserve the Union. Remember the South seceded from the USA and formed the CSA.
I know this film is satire. But it is grossly inaccurate and offensive. Not only to black folks but to white southerners as it ridicules them too.
Lalo3001 11 months ago
You all know that the north held just as many if not more slaves than the south right?
bbouch111 11 months ago
***This is not true according to Politically incorrect, this is just a joke,a gag.....if your looking for real history you have come to the wrong place........... I recommend geting history from books instead of this government roamed PC.*** ◕‿◕
Trent33424 1 year ago
THE SOUTH EARN HIS INDIPENDECE
FREEDOM FOR THE SOUTH FUCK YANKEES
BUT FUCK SLAVERY JUST 10 %
GREETINGS FROM GERMANY
makedeido 1 year ago
...but there were other countries that abolished slavery without the need of civil war. Even if the confederates won, this country would have eventually come to our morals after the invention of machinery and manufacturing plants. If there wer still slaves to this day, the white trash wouldn't have jobs.
BlackSupraC2 1 year ago 9
@BlackSupraC2
Watch the mockumentry.
Flamesofthunder 6 months ago
....U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862...
Trent33424 1 year ago
...Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies...
Trent33424 1 year ago
....Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH. NOT in the North. This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901.
Trent33424 1 year ago
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious....
Trent33424 1 year ago
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
Trent33424 1 year ago 2
The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism?...
Trent33424 1 year ago 2
....Myth's are continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a
bandwagon with loose wheels.
Trent33424 1 year ago 2
@Trent33424 Had Lincoln and the Union Congress ratified the 13th Amendment during the Civil War it is more than a strong possibility that the border states aligned with the Union would have ceded to join the Confederacy as Missouri, Kentucky,Delaware, and Maryland (aforementioned border states) all being slave states . Were this to have occured the North might have indeed negotiated peaceful surrender as Washington D.C. would have found itself surrounded on all dies by the Confederacy.
MrSamMagus 1 year ago
@Trent33424 So you see, it was not a moral choice, or federal deception, or whatever conspiracy theory you wish to argue that Lincoln and the Union Congress did not ratify the 13th Amendment until after the war, but rather a political and strategical gambit. And as far as the Emancipation Proclamation, it was merely an event that marked the turning of the Civil War from a battle to preserve the Union to a battle to reform the nation (i.e. no slavery).In reality it had no effect other than this.
MrSamMagus 1 year ago
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
Trent33424 1 year ago
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865....
Trent33424 1 year ago
Good thing Republicans were able to abolish slavery, give blacks the voting rights act and the civil rights act, all while the Democrats fought them. The Demcorats only gave us the KKK.
flyboymd82 1 year ago
everyone who did anything but laugh at this video is a moron. that would be like buying a spinal tap album for the riffs.
dirtybooner 1 year ago
I hate that lady on 1:00 she's a dimwitted Witch!!!
live4marilyn 1 year ago
@live4marilyn She's an actress?
TokiWartoothNABB 1 year ago
Honestly, slavery is the first thing taught nowadays to bring up why the South wanted to leave the Union, but actually it was not the biggest issue. Had the south won, slavery would have eventually died out for economic reasons anyway. I found the movie entertaining, but pretty innacurate from the historical perspective.
S0N0FLIBERTY 1 year ago 2
@S0N0FLIBERTY I agree with everything you said... if anything blacks would probably be treated the way mexicans are today probably required to get a green card and if they didnt paid extremely low wages...or more than likely just completely abolished but to be honest I think the nation would be better off if they had won...its to central nowadays and its way too undeveloped...we fuckin buy everything from china!
CopenSomeGrizzly 1 year ago
whats the music starting @ 1:03
S0N0FLIBERTY 1 year ago
You guys are all idiots. Do some research, slavery wasn't even abolished by lincoln until about half way through the war ... when the north was losing. Lincoln freed the slaves, if and only if they would fight for the north. The civil war was about secession not slavery, yes slavery was a big part, but it wasnt the reason. Everyone plays the south out to be evil, but the north were murderers, rapists, and thieves, they hated the african americans, and caused many of them to die.
xGeNoCiDeReBoRnx 1 year ago 2
and this is coming from the guy named GenocideReborn
ppppleeeeaaaassse dude.
PhotoFilmEffect 1 year ago
@xGeNoCiDeReBoRnx A FUCKING MEN!
CopenSomeGrizzly 1 year ago
And produced by Spike Lee.
Buckeyecat2002 1 year ago
@controversyking No, it's in the Constitution that the Union can be dissolved, by agreement of 3/4s of the states (or thru Amending the Constitution), but no state may leave on it's own, nor a group to go form another nation on this continent.. Either the whole thing goes and we're 50 countries or we are one, there's no middle ground.
CaptainTr1pps 1 year ago
Wrong wrong wrong wrong. The battle of Fort Sumter started the shooting war, the Confederate army attacked first and captured a Union stronghold. Not to mention secession was itself a declaration of war, you don't get to take United States land.
CaptainTr1pps 1 year ago
This movie was good. but sooo Bias. 1st off Slavery was Dying EVEN in the Confederacy Virgina was about to Abolish it. & back then Virgina was like the Popular Kid in High School, once it did something all the others followed. Also Hitler HATED America. He even Supported Abe Lincoln so the idea of Hitler aiding the CSA is also something to Laugh at
chuckbear 1 year ago
Okay, all you southerners who are still mad at the north for winning, you do know your little southern nation would be worth crap. Your economy would go bust after about 1890 and your'e "nation" would probably be the equivalent of North Korea today if you still had segregation or slavery. Also your country would be dirt poor and you'd be still even more uneducated. So be thankful you live in the USA, because in spite of its problems, it's a great nation. The CSA would of been a craphole
MrBenjammin07 1 year ago
@controversyking With, I meant "with a response"
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@controversyking I will not dignify that will lengthy detailed response. Unlike Bigmoon who is just mistaken, you don't deserve it.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@FNGLHR Wish I had taken your approach
CaptainTr1pps 1 year ago
lol that was funny but jacked up in its own way
ascrysis3 1 year ago
I agree its hilarious, and i am a born Confederate. Even a blue-blooded yankee knows that this is nothing like what would have happened. The South wanted independence, and nothing to do with the Union, let alone annex it (though it was not opposed to additional states in the union joining). In addition, with the cotton boom over and abolition spreading among its trade partners, the CSA would have rid itself of slavery. but for now it is an occupied nation, and for now i can take a small joke
grufle1906 1 year ago
this is so full of crap the south wanted freedom form the north not to take over the north. the same thing the US wanteed from england. the war was more then a black and white issue. but people don't want to see that. And are we that better off staing togeather as a union our country is dieing. I truly feel that if the south would have won atleast the southern half country would still have good jobs. and how is the race issue ever going to not be an issue if people like you keep bring it up?
deathunter25 1 year ago
@deathunter25 settle down. the south will rise again soon enough. for now, one can take a joke or two
grufle1906 1 year ago
I dare anyone of you southerners this question - Would the Southerners, if they won the Civil War, sooner or later emancipate the Black slaves themselves? If so, which person would lead the emancipation?
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 year ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 @TheVoiceOfReason93 How about Robert E. Lee, who, like Jefferson, opposed slavery but was afraid of the economic repercussions of immediate emancipation. with his status as a war hero, he could have risen to the presidency as grant did in the union. in fact, in the late 1700s early 1800s, their was a trend towards emancipation in the South which ended because of the cotton boom. during the war, when the CSA threatened to cut off Britains cotton supply, Britain (continued)
grufle1906 1 year ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 increased cotton production in Egypt and India, so that its supply would not be threatened again. This drove cotton prices to rock bottom, ending the cotton boom. the same trend as before would have occurred, even more so now that its primary potential trade partners in europe were abolitionist.. gradual emancipation would have been better for all involved. The south entered a chronic era of poverty that did not end until the 50s and 60s. Not only did whites (continued)
grufle1906 1 year ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93 but african americans as well. you know those slave chronicles you yankees love quoting? 70% actually reported a drop in standard in living after the war due to the fact that they had no way of adjusting to managing homes or wages, and ended up broke and unable to afford the food, shelter, and health care that was before provided by their masters (this is not advocating slavery, but simply condemning the mistake of not considering the consequences of immediate emancipation)
grufle1906 1 year ago
@grufle1906 Sorry but it sounds to me like you're saying "Stupid darkies shoulda stayed in bondage till they we were damn good and ready to let them go" I know that's not what you meant, but it sounds like that.
Would the south have eventually abandoned slavery? Yes, but I highly doubt they would've started treating them like equals or things would've turned out better. It probably would've taken longer to get rid of than what Emancipation accomplished.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Hairysteed That can work both ways, ya' know. What if we'd had 'em, think about that.
Of course we'd have only used them on military bases, instead of bobmin' cities like yer implyin'
southernfennecvixen 1 year ago
Same old lib shit!
Anyone with any sense of history knows where slavery was, went , and would have gone. (as if the rest of the western hemisphere didnt have slaves).
What a joke!
The South forever!!!
White, black, red, brown, whatever, as long as you aint yankee blue.
bluegrassreb 2 years ago 7
Too bad nukes didn't exist in the 1860's! They should've turned everything south of Mason-Dixie into fucking glass!!
Hairysteed 2 years ago
and then the nuclear fallout wuld blow north lol
friskydeadman 1 year ago
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billfurd1 1 year ago
I think that slavery is far enough in the past for America that it is safe for me to say that I find this to be hilarious. How can anyone watch this and respond with a serious and heavy-handed attitude? It is like getting offended by the Onion Network. This is a gag.
JoshuaH688 2 years ago 32
@JoshuaH688
I got offended by the onion, WHEN THEY FUCKING LIED ABOUT GOD DAMN MODERN WARFARE 3!!!!!!!
inick1000 1 year ago
@JoshuaH688 --thats exactly why there is racial tension between us , because you dont want to honor the past that made this present day , I will always honor my ancesters and never laugh at O.J. SIMPSON Jokes - truth
ELtheScorpioMoor 1 year ago
@JoshuaH688 i know i was like LAMO when it started
Kuntudog 9 months ago
Ah, and here on white horses ride in the Knights of Southern Apologetics. The south gave us slavery, segregation, and by and large today still makes us the laughing stock of the world with their religious bigotry and editing of high school textbooks. Frankly, if they want to secede again, I say we let them. Mark Twain was the last good thing to come out of those woods.
Ate0s 2 years ago
The director of this movie is black. I have watched it and it is crap. This entire thing is crap. Slavery was dying at the begining of the War. How many times does this have to be repeated?
jamesg1968 2 years ago 2
Robert The Bruce once said (not just in the movie) "History is written by those who have hanged heroes" ...but of course this is not the case I found the film both humorous and appalling...the end..
eden362009 2 years ago 2
This movie is ignorant and if any of you think any of this would have any truth your ignorant too.
stud915 2 years ago 4
of course it's stupid. its flogging a dead horse, too. The truth became clear a long time ago and is stronger than ever, but for some it is and will remain a hard thing to swallow.
theacleire 2 years ago 3
"It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision.." Gen Patrick Cleburne
marcovachon 2 years ago 9
Wow.... I'm glad the CSA is remembered for what they believed in.... I wonder what the first set of American rebels would have been remembered as if they lost the war in 76. Would it be for their genocidal attitudes toward Indians or their disrespect for the rule of law?
majicdragon51 2 years ago 4
@majicdragon51 They believed the insitution of Slavery should be protected, thats why they were seceeding, their states rights to own slaves were being encroached on by the federal government. It was in the CSA constitution.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@FNGLHR to the common confederate though, it was an issue of control. Taxes are necessary, but the fact that the British parliament forced them on Americans without representation was what convinced them to secede from the British Empire. It was simply the fact that the north wielded to much control over the lives of people on the other side of the country
grufle1906 1 year ago
@grufle1906 That's not how the North saw it, they saw it as Rich southern slave owners having too much power in Congress and turned the tables by electing Lincoln instead. Southern lobbyists kept pushing for new territories to become slave owning, there was the law passed in Congress that made any slave that had escaped to the north eligible to be returned to his master by force. When the North tried to even the balance of power in congress and the senate the South took offence.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
Nobody voted for Lincoln in the south because they thought he was gonna free the slaves, Lincoln of course may have hated the institution but he wasn't prepared to get rid of it at the risk of breaking up the union. However the Rich Slave owning people of the south convinced the regular joes you mentioned that the North were taking away their rights, namely Slavery. Even those who did not own slaves had lived with the institution so long that they accepted it as something of the norm.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
Yes the south saw it as the north controlling their rights, but again, rights over what? Slaves, their right to own slaves. And meanwhile the North saw it in terms of control too, as it appeared for a long time the South had far too much power in the Government and was able to pass any legislation they wanted, mostly about expanding Slavery.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
You can't run from it, no matter how hard you try everything comes back to the founders of the Confederacy not wanting to give up their slaves. That was a primary reason for their actions and they passed along this propaganda to the regular folks who didn't own slaves that this was about protecting their freedoms from "yankee" oppression.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@FNGLHR, people please to staying rights to slaves. Thats complete shit. States rights, and freedom from opressive and unfair goverment, THE TYRANTS!
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions Um... okay, I have no idea what you were trying to say in that incredibly grammar deprived statement. I'll try and understand.
Okay, so, the war was about State rights and freedom from oppressive government. Fair enough, state rights to what? Why did the south feel the government was oppressive and unfair? What was the greatest fear Southerners had about Lincoln? I've mentioned all of this before, it all comes back to slavery.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
Why would any of those soldiers care about slavery? 96% didnt even own slaves, so why the fuck did they risk their lives? Your still following the false victor side of the story. Davis, Lee, and Jackson all didnt like slavery and even knew it would few away eventually. They fought the same reasons like in the revolution. Ya reall think it comes back to slavery? Then you really have some reading to do. Ive done mine...ive checked both sides of the story.
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions Lee was an abolitionist, fair enough, this movie itself even says he was. Why would they care about slavery? Because even to those who didn't own slaves, slavery was just a fact a life. It was something they believed they had a right too. And most importantly, protecting slavery, WAS IN THEIR CONSTITUTION!
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions It was the reason they hated Lincoln because he was described as someone who would free the slaves, its why no one voted for him south of the mason dixon, it was on Anti-Lincoln posters back then that he would end slavery! When given the option to free the slaves completely and make them soldiers the Confederate congress, Davis included, shouted it down!
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions For claiming to look at both sides of the story you're awfully bias in favor of one group calling the other "false victors" does not raise my confidence in your historian credentials. Also you ignored my intial question. You said the war was about state rights, I didn't say that was wrong, I asked state rights to what? You didn't answer that particular question. By in large you are correct on quite a few points, but you've skewed to take the blame of the confederacy.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
Dude, wtf do u mean what states rights? How bout better representation in the goverment, AND THE RIGHT TO GOVERN YOURSELF, HELLO? That was a right given by our founding fathers in the revoltuion....disrespectful. The civil asr was obviously a counter revolution to free the federal goverment of power restrictions under the constitution, it sure fucking worked. Look at our goverment today....
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
@Bigmoon Again you dance around the question, why did the south feel they weren't properly represented? Why did the south want to govern itself? What were the state rights they believed were being infringed?
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Bigmoon Hint, I've mentioned what their constitution flat out declared it was protecting and what the South kept fighting for when a new territory was adopted into the union. When you say the war was about state rights, you are deliberatly ignoring exactly what those rights were. The right to own people.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Bigmoon Oh and that little, "free federal government of power restrictions", yeah it's so horrible that the government can regulate say "how much lead can be in a child's toy" for example. Obviously if you want the government making laws you also want them becoming the Third Reich, that makes sense.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions And what power restrictions did the Civil War remove from the Federal government? The inability for the Federal government to outlaw a barbaric practice that allowed one to treat people like horses at auction perhaps? You're dancing around this core issue like a mexican hat. I'm not disagreeing with you on how the South felt about the war, I'm trying to show you you're leaving out an important reason they felt that way that you're deliberatly ignoring.
FNGLHR 1 year ago
@Bigmoonproductions so, if today, a single state decided to reintroduce slavery, you'd be okay with that? after all, it is self governing.
LordAmbitious 1 year ago
@LordAmbitious, No?! Wtf are u tlaking about?
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
@LordAmbitious We still have Slavery.It's called Abortion.
Robo1415 1 year ago
@Robo1415 stfu
jordanmeltzer1 1 year ago