this is the only intelligent, heart-rending, utter passionate, riveting interpretation of "La Campanella" I've ever heard!!! (and I've heard quite a few of them... the best can be found in my corresponding list (not allowed to post a link here...) so think twice and listen again!!!
Yes, that's the problem of piano rolls: The speed makes the tempo, in contrast to gramophone records. In the latter, the right key makes the speed of revolutions (which is very often NOT 78 r.p.m.!!
Another crappy realization of a piano roll made by incompetents who had no understanding of Busoni's actual playing. For proof listen to B's 1922 78rpm acoustic recording of Liszt's Rhapsody #13 (also on YT). Incredibly light, fluid, fast, rhythmic playing - not a clunky moment in it. This Campanella is nothing BUT clunk and any fool can tell it's running too slowly by the little unevennesses which would pass unnoticed at a higher speed. Nimbus must know this is lousy but they sell it anyway
@gtimny indeed it is dreadful! The Iles-Stonehill robot player used here NEVER worked proprerly ever despite what was claimed. They never set the reference point for "pppp" correct [the "zero" point in Duo-Art as they always knew better. Result : entire dynamics always start somewhere just below mezzo-forte. Then it gives 8 shades of mf and 5 of fff. Almost all reproducing piano recordings are created by non-musiscian wannabees who drink the reflected glory of the big names on the roll labels.
@pianolaunderground Well said. Amazing the number of lunkheads on here who think this is spectacular. Busoni would roll in his grave if he heard this botch job. What people don't realize is that the performance we hear depends upon the folks operating the reproducing piano NOW. It's their judgment on tempo and to a great extent dynamics, as well as the adjustment of the machine which can give a fabulous result (Josef Lhevinne on Argo, 1966) or a horror show like this.
@gtimny Agreed--this is too slow. And getting that right is really easy. Busoni recorded this at tempo=90, or 9.0 feet per minute, (I have an original roll) and the piano adjusts from 0 to about 11 fpm. It's easy to pencil marks on the roll and calibrate. But it takes months of skilled labor and >$10K to rebuild a player, and if done badly you get lousy dynamics, jerkiness and poor note repetition like this. But rolls can sound great on a better instrument.
Fantastic that anybody can play like this. Have you by the way heard Valentina Lisitsa play La Campanella? I think she hits the nail head-on, happy playing though I get kind of pain in my fingers just by listening :-)
Busoni recorded on gramophone and player roll. The Welte Mignon rolls were mastered with a sophisticated system, where the piano had a bath of mercury under the keyboard. This had a electric current passed through it, which was able to pickup all of the subtlety of an artist's playing. These rolls have special holes that reproduce these qualities. Far better than an audio recording.
Was the speed of Welte Mignon and other rolls ever standardized? Otherwise it must be difficult to reproduce the performances accurately. Not only would the musical tempo be subject to guessing, the length of each note would be affected aswell, leaving little left of what made the performance unique or typical for the artist.
I would think it would have to be, I've seen these players working and they seem to have one speed.
Some players had variable speed control, so you could play a roll a bit faster or slower. Also I believe some systems have a track of perforations set up to indicate what the meter of the piece was.
Thanks. Thinking of those perforated tracks you mentioned - I wonder if their purpose was not rather to syncronize the recordings in systems where the notes and the dynamics were recorded separately, on two different strips of paper. It can't be that complicated to move the strip at a certain given speed measured in inches per second. However, I think the question of whether there was a standard speed is of utmost relevance to the discussion of the accuracy of piano roll recordings in general.
@historydigger lol there's no way in hell a piano roll can be an accurate indication of a human beings actual tactile playing. No matter what you try to equate from it, it's still punching holes in a roll of paper.
audio recording capture the actual minute vibrations of the completed tonal color of the piano, no way a F'ing piano roll can capture that.
I play electric guitar Gibson ES44 with class A tube amps, no F'ing way in hell a roll with holes in it could ever duplicate a persons touch.
@flarbton to continue, listen any old MIDI/sequencer composed music from the 70's-80's pure robot inhuman shit on a stick, missing any nuance that one could call soul, warmth, depth or personality. That is what a piano roll was then and is now, shit.
If you mean that this his is arrangement, can be, but if you mean that he is the person who is actually executing this version in this specific file... I can hardly agree.
However, I will be really happy to believe that if somebody will prove it. It would be a pleasure to heard Busoni who plays that piece.
There are hundreds of recordings of various artists from this era, using this same technology. It was very well documented and a lot of recordings using this technology were released to the public. This is one of those.
True to Busoni, very Unique, Inventive and Maverick approach to both his playing and the reworking/enhancing of the original score... which I think overall works out very well!! It's Fresh, Spontaneous, Innovative, Daring like Horowitz, who also I might add revered Busoni.
this is the only intelligent, heart-rending, utter passionate, riveting interpretation of "La Campanella" I've ever heard!!! (and I've heard quite a few of them... the best can be found in my corresponding list (not allowed to post a link here...) so think twice and listen again!!!
BerlinerTourGuide 4 days ago
Maravilhoso!
AurelioJr 2 months ago
Yes, that's the problem of piano rolls: The speed makes the tempo, in contrast to gramophone records. In the latter, the right key makes the speed of revolutions (which is very often NOT 78 r.p.m.!!
Bluetooth6483 2 months ago
very original and personal
cualquie 4 months ago
i can't watch the whole video, I have to practice NOW.
meesbroersen 4 months ago
...nicht so schnell...aber Prachtig!!!......schoen~
irenedou 6 months ago
This is real Busoni. From paper roll. Sound is so good, because this roll drive real grand piano.
ryka1ful 6 months ago
独特のリズム感。音がたっている。
shoichi72 8 months ago
えらく屈折したカンパネラだが、オレは嫌いじゃない。こういうのがあってもいい。
オレはこいつが好きだ。いい。
select900amd 1 year ago
Another crappy realization of a piano roll made by incompetents who had no understanding of Busoni's actual playing. For proof listen to B's 1922 78rpm acoustic recording of Liszt's Rhapsody #13 (also on YT). Incredibly light, fluid, fast, rhythmic playing - not a clunky moment in it. This Campanella is nothing BUT clunk and any fool can tell it's running too slowly by the little unevennesses which would pass unnoticed at a higher speed. Nimbus must know this is lousy but they sell it anyway
gtimny 1 year ago 12
@gtimny indeed it is dreadful! The Iles-Stonehill robot player used here NEVER worked proprerly ever despite what was claimed. They never set the reference point for "pppp" correct [the "zero" point in Duo-Art as they always knew better. Result : entire dynamics always start somewhere just below mezzo-forte. Then it gives 8 shades of mf and 5 of fff. Almost all reproducing piano recordings are created by non-musiscian wannabees who drink the reflected glory of the big names on the roll labels.
pianolaunderground 3 months ago
@pianolaunderground Well said. Amazing the number of lunkheads on here who think this is spectacular. Busoni would roll in his grave if he heard this botch job. What people don't realize is that the performance we hear depends upon the folks operating the reproducing piano NOW. It's their judgment on tempo and to a great extent dynamics, as well as the adjustment of the machine which can give a fabulous result (Josef Lhevinne on Argo, 1966) or a horror show like this.
gtimny 3 months ago
@gtimny I could give it a slight speed-up with no distorted side-effects. Would that be of interest any one?
SimonKinland 1 month ago
@gtimny Agreed--this is too slow. And getting that right is really easy. Busoni recorded this at tempo=90, or 9.0 feet per minute, (I have an original roll) and the piano adjusts from 0 to about 11 fpm. It's easy to pencil marks on the roll and calibrate. But it takes months of skilled labor and >$10K to rebuild a player, and if done badly you get lousy dynamics, jerkiness and poor note repetition like this. But rolls can sound great on a better instrument.
bartolomochristofari 1 week ago
It's little bit choppy, don't you think? It's like brokedown robot playing...despite that, I like Busoni's performance...
Kapomafioso 1 year ago
@Kapomafioso mechanical compared to sara ott this is a level up
caligula9413 4 months ago
速度和炫技不一定要成正比！
seremerow 1 year ago
速度和炫技不一定要成正比！
seremerow 1 year ago
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flarbton 1 year ago
Fantastic that anybody can play like this. Have you by the way heard Valentina Lisitsa play La Campanella? I think she hits the nail head-on, happy playing though I get kind of pain in my fingers just by listening :-)
AlfaAxel 1 year ago
Great. His non legato is genial.
domisoldo12 2 years ago 2
Kinda difficult to listen to after hearing all the versions played like the sheet music, but I like his improvisation.
FFPianoDude 2 years ago
Busoni recorded on gramophone and player roll. The Welte Mignon rolls were mastered with a sophisticated system, where the piano had a bath of mercury under the keyboard. This had a electric current passed through it, which was able to pickup all of the subtlety of an artist's playing. These rolls have special holes that reproduce these qualities. Far better than an audio recording.
historydigger 2 years ago 2
@historydigger
Was the speed of Welte Mignon and other rolls ever standardized? Otherwise it must be difficult to reproduce the performances accurately. Not only would the musical tempo be subject to guessing, the length of each note would be affected aswell, leaving little left of what made the performance unique or typical for the artist.
Chopiano 2 years ago
I would think it would have to be, I've seen these players working and they seem to have one speed.
Some players had variable speed control, so you could play a roll a bit faster or slower. Also I believe some systems have a track of perforations set up to indicate what the meter of the piece was.
historydigger 2 years ago
Thanks. Thinking of those perforated tracks you mentioned - I wonder if their purpose was not rather to syncronize the recordings in systems where the notes and the dynamics were recorded separately, on two different strips of paper. It can't be that complicated to move the strip at a certain given speed measured in inches per second. However, I think the question of whether there was a standard speed is of utmost relevance to the discussion of the accuracy of piano roll recordings in general.
Chopiano 2 years ago
@historydigger lol there's no way in hell a piano roll can be an accurate indication of a human beings actual tactile playing. No matter what you try to equate from it, it's still punching holes in a roll of paper.
audio recording capture the actual minute vibrations of the completed tonal color of the piano, no way a F'ing piano roll can capture that.
I play electric guitar Gibson ES44 with class A tube amps, no F'ing way in hell a roll with holes in it could ever duplicate a persons touch.
flarbton 1 year ago
@flarbton to continue, listen any old MIDI/sequencer composed music from the 70's-80's pure robot inhuman shit on a stick, missing any nuance that one could call soul, warmth, depth or personality. That is what a piano roll was then and is now, shit.
flarbton 1 year ago
This is not really Busoni, I mean it is impossible that anything from these years sounds like this! I wonder who is actually playing here.
summermogwai 2 years ago
I bought a CD years ago with this recording. All the recordings are taken from piano rolls.
maxscriptguru 2 years ago
Sorry but... I have quite a lot of doubts that this is actually Master Busoni.
He died in the 1924.
Have you ever listen a roll from that period?
Even the best one NO WAY is like this.
NO WAY!
Lecrob3 2 years ago
This has to be off of a roll, still brilliant nonetheless. Busoni is truly one of the gods of Piano, if i may use the term.
tasteslikechicken55 2 years ago
wow!!!nderful, I cannot believe what he does here, beyond my imagination!
arwena55 2 years ago
It may be slow but it's still a 5 star performance!
gerryrains 2 years ago
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WTf O_o too slow and ugly
TheAngeldoom 2 years ago
It's original version. (La Campanella, Arranged by Busoni)
FolderFILEneT 2 years ago
If you mean that this his is arrangement, can be, but if you mean that he is the person who is actually executing this version in this specific file... I can hardly agree.
However, I will be really happy to believe that if somebody will prove it. It would be a pleasure to heard Busoni who plays that piece.
Lecrob3 2 years ago
There are hundreds of recordings of various artists from this era, using this same technology. It was very well documented and a lot of recordings using this technology were released to the public. This is one of those.
daniel15671 2 years ago
Let the prestige of genius rule the world!!!!!!!
jasonextreme 2 years ago 4
very unique interpretation....i love it :)
siyang2 2 years ago 3
I was fortunate to have studied with a man who may be considered the world's No.1 living expert on Busoni - Larry Sitsky.
Think this: Liszt - Busoni - Richter. Though, this has been stated before.
Busoni, if you get what I'm saying, didn't "play" the notes of a score - he played what lays between them.
Neilhoven 2 years ago 3
It´s the "Busoni-Liszt-Paganini" campanella...
mdfl123456 3 years ago 16
True to Busoni, very Unique, Inventive and Maverick approach to both his playing and the reworking/enhancing of the original score... which I think overall works out very well!! It's Fresh, Spontaneous, Innovative, Daring like Horowitz, who also I might add revered Busoni.
NordicHealingLight 3 years ago 7
Many of the greats revered Busoni. In his own time, he was at the forefront of piano writing.
ReturnOfTheStienway 2 years ago
the playing seems to be a little uneven
onewingedhedgehog 3 years ago 3
It's the roll.
ayso78 3 years ago 2
busoni's playing is actually un-even. His rubato can be heard in his audio recordings.
ReturnOfTheStienway 2 years ago
right, uneven, that is why that is so interesting and unique, great interpretation, very characteristic.
arwena55 2 years ago 4