I live where the fire happened , Kinglake are and it was 48 degrees celcius at 1pm. Then I saw the huge cloud in the sky, it look like a storm coming. Called 000 for the police and fire brigade, it was broken for the next 12 hours no one could get help, so the all died.
the only thing we need is to stop our govt starting these fires in the first place, they are nothing but rogue nazi despots who are poisoning us daily.. they need to be exposed and stopped otherwise we're in real trouble..
BTW have you been in any fire situation, Uve got no idea, (just supporting others with the same message). These recomendations are simply not going to work. If ur in a fire u would soon realise
It is a known fact that it is safer to stay and defend your place than to try and evacuate in thick smoke. This is the biggest flaw with these recomendatations
I am an experienced Rural firefighter and with proper preparation of a house it is ALWAYS safer to stay and defend bcause of low visibility, Fires travel at massive speeds, and can jump 10km at a time The 10km evacuation zone is not enough recomendations? where is the evidence that it will be better for the community, Alarms will not work
I believe in the home owners right to stay and fight knowing if the CPA pulls out we are on our own. Being safety girl I have contingency plans for everything including a suburban fire storm like those seen in Sydney and Canberra. My cut and run box is always packed and uptodate. Necessary documents, at least one change of cloths for everyone, family pictures and contact details and a small ammount of cash. If the pros pull out you better believe I'm right behind them, praying for those who stay
I am also aware the 09 Vic fires moved like a freight train and many had little or no warning they were in the fire path. For those facing future fire seasons it should be clear that greater self protection is required. Bunkers are an option as is a fire suppression system. You can no longer assume the CFA can worn or save you. There just aren't enough of them to go around and if it comes down to a hospital and your home the choice is obvious.Take responsibility and take action.
Bwhahahahahahhahaaaaaa......hang on let me get my breath back ...deep breath..................BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHHHHAHAHHAAAA.
You don't have any idea do you mate?
Oh god our fires came from 50 kms away, within half an hour. Please don't speak on issues you have no idea about please. Can't wait for all our farmers to be made into criminals. And we do have laws that cover emergency situations including bushfires.
sorry, I fear I'm going to burst out laughing again,
Lol dude, you do understand that the majority of the areas burnt during the bushfires were like that and people moved there because it WAS natural. And in case you didnt hear, ill say that cause its nicer than didnt listen, because the people involved directly said they didnt have time too scratch let alone get out of the way. The best solution ive heard and the only 1 i see worth trying is the cement bunkers. Overkill? maybe, but hey, saves lives. Beats a warning system tho right?
The houses should be built in low risk fire zones, the streets wider, there should be a fire bell or some thing in every house to tell them theres a bushfire coming, and the houses should be BUILD with defence things.
Be it the material its built with, or something external, attatched to the house.
Well Raoul, Some of your comments may warrant some thought but 99% of Australia is Bush land. Aboriginals practiced burning off for thousands of years and it was stopped when the Europeans came here which exacerbated the problem. The biggest problem is the "Greenies" prohibiting clearing of the bush and I'm not talking about willful destruction of bush areas or forests. Some areas are now doing controlled burning off but it's not nearly enough to stop the problem.
The Royal Commission from 1939 stated that it was the whites who first came to Australia who first started burning off. Was it the greenies fault that the hottest day on record in this state tied in with winds of up to 106kmh and dangerously low humidity of 6%? The Kilmore East firestorm picked up force whilst going through a pine forest. The fire initially started because power lines blew over. It was impossible for the greenies to organise all of this isn't it??
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BUSH?? are you going to tell them they can not go to thier homes?? and yes arson would be treated as murder if it caused deaths. you cant beat nature with rules you need actions and different ways of living with nature.
It's clear Raoul hasn't lived in 'the bush' which in many sections, regions, areas covering immense kilometres. I live in one of the worst hit areas. How are we supposed to abandon our homes on every high danger day. 20 days or more every summer? Who looks after our livestock? Who prevents thousands of homes being burgled? Where do kids go to their schools, us to our employers. Shut shops? This fire was unusual. Our home was made fireproof, we fought hard & were some of the lucky ones who won.
What a lot of people do not realise is when the fire is close there are so many people with their hoses on trying to save their homes that its useless, because what happens is the water pressure goes down and you are lucky to get a tricle from your garden Hose. embers are the problem if you live within 500 metres of a forest, especially on a windy day. Also if you water a window that is extremely hot the glass can smash. So, just get the hell out of there
Xclnt txt vhbza01 pg 3 about controlled burnoffs, then higher than normal rainfall Nov/Dec creating rapid regrowth of fuel ie grass etc. Pls look at climate control/chemtrail-geo engineering that is going on Aust wide creating much devastation. Flooding in Qld 75% in Feb08, 65% this yr, many 1000's homes destroyed due to flooding last yr. Check out chemtrails/utube! or Devilvision: the worlds new wireless grid chptr 5 or Australian global warming con. Deepest sadness for those who have lost!
It sounds to me that these "new laws" were based off your own ideas rather than through research. Firstly, a lot of the towns that were destroyed were on fairly elevated ground, so I don't know if a golf course or sports oval would be possible. Secondly, it is still possible for the grass in a clear area to catch fire from burning embers blown onto it by the wind, depending on the dryness of the grass. I think that if they built fireproof housing in dense areas or built...
underground concrete cellars, it may increase the chance of survival. I also don't know if this whole 'red light cameras' thing would even be possible, it may be, I'm not sure, but you'd probably need hundreds if not thousands of them. If there's a high fire danger and noone's allowed to use bush roads, you'd still get people using the roads who wouldn't even know about the fire danger. You should also consider that there's a lot of people that live in the bush and people need to use the roads.
This would have to be the most un-informed video I think I have ever seen. I could explain why but if you are not interested in researching then why should I point it out for you.
Only thing I agree with is the use of fire sirens. All the other things you mentioned are already well established in our legal system. The one thing that needs to change is the stay and fight or leave message, that needs to be dramatically revised.
Hindsight, it's a hell of a word people. doesn't matter where you are from. As a victorian, with family totally affected by the fires. Many people who lived in the forest protected areas, who couldn't clear out their properties,(due to council restrictions) lost their homes, then we have the Greenies, stopping the age old practice of burning off, that the Aboriginies have been doing for generations, just so they seem to be protecting the natural fauna of Australian Bushland and Forests.
7/2/2009 = 9.11 u do the math - the govt planned this, caused it and wiped out communities deliberately to gain funds and energy and assume more control..
Time to wake up folks - You still think they care?? that they have your back??
Think again and get with the programme... !
study the agenda of the New world order and have your eyes opened to what is planned for humanity.. and that includes YOU!
One of the biggest problems was the weather months ago. I am a firefighter in one of the towns that was hit, we did some controlled burns last year. Then we had above average rainfall in November and December last year and everything that was burned grew back almost overnight. Then we had record heat in January which made everything tinder dry, and also made more burn offs too dangerous. When the fires came through, there was nothing we could do to protect our town.
Whenever someting bad happens in Australia, they always investigate the impact of the situation. They never investigate the cause. That is why bad stuff always happens in Australia and those ignorant Aussies always cry. For example the Cronulla Riots, those cops were too busy arresting Lebanese people while nobody tried to find out why the riot was started. Same goes for the bushfires, nobody tried to find out why it happened. They only focus on the impact of the situation.
as an Australian bush firefighter i can speak for anyone who has any fire knowledge. fire cannot be predicted, only fire weather can be predicted. Australia has very tough laws agianst arson, and we are trying to get the fire safety message out there. By the way, the cronulla riots have nothing to do with bushfire, that was about some wanker who decided to bash a lifeguard for no reason.
actually you dumb shit.. they are trying to aid the ppl effected by the fires firstly seeings so much has been lost and ppl are now homeless. But they are also investigating the fire seeings some was deliberately lit. they are doing both. i think ya should do some homework dumbass
I find it difficult to take any notice of a person who won't show his/her eyes? There's going to be a Royal Commission investigating these fires, with the powers of a judge in any court room. People give evidence under oath; people can be made to appearI think we should wait until submissions are called for; experts experiences, suggestions etc and those who experienced this horrific event/s; govt departments and all relevant people. It could be that insurance companies will dictate in future?
Is this a joke? No really. Are you kidding. Let's arrest people for not following your "expert" opinion. I would stop you stopwatch now because your ideas are cracked. I consider that the legal proceedings on arresting and charging all people who break fire regulations and the cost of "investigating" all cars trying to escape a bushfire would be considerable.
just one question. Raoul have you ever been near a bushfire. seen the aftermath, felt the panic as it comes through. I have. I stayed with my folks we defended our home and guess what we are still standing, and so is our house. if your suggestions were ever enacted then youd end up arrest every person in the vicinity of the fire because it is next to impossible to act rationally when you have a force that great and powerful raging towards you.
Hey Raoul, I don't think you have ever been in a bush fire . Provocotive for discussion, but impractical ideas. Are you suggesting on days over 38 deg temps Australia becomes a police state?
Have you ever heard the noise of a bushfire? Who will hear this alarm?
Houses get saved all the time, and people on a golf course are sitting ducks in the path of a fire. Experience and scientific evaluation of this last tragic
No. This problem cannot be solved with regulation and sacrificing EVEN MORE of our civil liberties. We must address the problems directly. I speak as one who was there, in the wake of the fires, and no doubt one who will have to clear up the mess.
A class action suit is brewing blaming the electrical power company for the fires. The community grief has not yet even settled, yet the money trail begins...
"No fuel, no fire." The Greens, bureaocrats and politicians that kiss their collective arse are responsible for much of the death and destruction of these wild fires, mate. Australia is bound & demoralised by too much legislation already but you propose a Police State to fix 'stpidity' which is clearly generated by over government. Common-sense is what Australians were noted for before minority groups of multi-culturalists ripped 'something in common' right out of "community". Stick it Raool.
The fires in Victoria are made possible due to weather conditions, the amount of fuel for the fire and human intervention... The reason why so many poor people lost their lives was due to the fight or flight mentality... which is a neat way for governments to pass on responsability for deaths and property damage... The fire in Victoria was NOT defendable and people weren't warned of the fires... and YES the greens controlling burnoffs is a joke! Look at the last Canberra and Kosiosko fires!
Gee Raoul it would be great for the authorities to improve response to events like these but your proposals sound very much like a police state. As for your statement that a house in the path in a bushfire is undefendable is wrong. A properly prepared home can be defended in normal circumstances. These circumstances were not normal and it is a little extreme to think this is going to all the time, it doesnt. Make sure your house is prepared and you have a better chance of saving it.
I'm sick of ppl blaming the greenies, dse etc too. Like they said the other day, when they want to do a fuel reduction burn, they have to apply for a permit but they only have a certain time frame to conduct it. If weather isn't good enough they have to wait for another window, apply for permit, etc, etc.
I understand you are trying to help, but the people who made it to open space also died in some locations, from radiant heat and lack of oxygen. The red light cameras. LOL thats a joke mate. Also the guy who was fined 50,000 for clearing the trees around his house, he did more than that, he cleared his whole block 100 yards of trees, he left some standing near the house. He was fined for that, not cutting a few trees down around his house, he cut down several hundred I believe.
Maybe people will start to understand that having a landscape full of Eucalyptus trees in not a good thing. Goole up Peter Andrews to see how we can help the country not have fires like this again!
Developing events: One arsonist has been caught and detained.
Will he be hiding under the skirt of an Insanity Plea? Will the lawyers blame society for his condition? Will the judge sentence him with a slap on the wrist?
News link on the details, at the bottom of the text column.
The people who were fined for clearing their land were done so not for clearing a few trees but for flattening every tree over a wide area. Imagine if everyone who wanted a tree change moved to the hills and cleared all the trees and used fire prevention as an excuse, why live there? Read the council laws and you will see that clearing trees around your house is not illegal but common sense must prevail in this case and all the facts looked at and you will see they cleared everything to extreme.
Eucalyptus produce the "haze" and intense oil as an adaption to PROTECT them from bushfires, they do not cause them. Australians are greedy for water and have been warned that the bush is dying. The drought is a side issue, Australia is a land of drought and flood. The "fire bug" ruse has been going on for years to divert from the unsustainable water practises that starve the bush. Where are all the fire bug prosecutions? Not arrests, but prosecutions? The Bush is dying.
Although I agree with some of your ideas, how about the ratepayer funded councils get off their fat overpaid asses, and clear the immediate perimeter of any bush zone, to standards that keep the residents safe. THIS WAS NOT DONE in this instance!
One council fined a resident couple over $50,000 for clearing trees around their home within their farm property a few years ago. It turns out now that they were the only house left standing... It was in the news just today.
Raoul, I don't know the rational behind the fine, since that clearing seems reasonable for this exact purpose. I recognize that there probably was some perception that it would be considered an infraction to clear those tress, but what was the reason? Do you know the reason behind the fine, just out of curiosity? My first guess has to do with environmental concerns, but I've no information, of course. It's just shot in the dark.
Betty here in Australia councils have Enviromental policies in place which state that you can not cut down trees without permission of the council, these policies range from "You can't remove trees from council land or public land" and the more extreme councils will not let you remove trees on your own land. The day that enviromentalists allow low intensity hazard reductions during the winter months the better.
Yeah I saw that a couple of days ago, and not only did the council fine them $50k, it cost them another $50k in costs, ruined them financially, and took 4 years for them to fight the battle.
As you stated, their house was the only one of 7 in the street left standing. They are now going to attempt to have the courts ruling overturned, and hopefully common sense will prevail.
I see that you're taking a few hits for this video, and I'm sorry. I know you're very interested in preventing a future such tragedy, Raoul. Onya, mate.
There is an increased land fire risk in the U.S. over one particular matter of an invasive species called cheat grass, more so on the West coast than East, although we have it here too. I hadn't kept up with the research as of late, but there was a time when I feared that we might be headed for an event such as this as a result.
In Australia, we have the Eucalyptus tree which dominates the Australian flora. They give off a volatile oil vapour which gives our mountains that blue haze... In New South Wales, we have the Blue Mountains, so called because of these volatile oil vapour creating the blue haze. In a bush fire, these lingering haze ignites to form a giant fireball... Like a fire blower does... The leaves and branches are rich in fuel for combustion. Fallen and dried leaves of the trees are like a tinder box.
I don't know, Raoul. I have a background in the fire service and it looks good to me on the surface, but that's just my little ol' background talking.
My background also compels me to mention the issue of delayed reporting, which accounts for a great deal of fire loss in the U.S. One's own fire extinguisher, IMO, is best regarded first as an escape tool, not a firefighting tool.
It seems though, that the only way we know how to prevent past from becoming prologue is for many to die. :(
Some thoughts to ponder upon, Betty... with your background in the Fire Services, I know how you would feel. After the Canberra fires of many years ago, there was much debate and research of the lessons learned, but sadly they were swept under the political rug of the then incumbent government... and now this sad day in history. Yes, many have died, but hopefully they have not perished in vain.
you guys are right.the best plan can come undone on the day because of the weather heat,wind and where you live in regard to topography...extramural is right he or she has a right to go if the area has been made safe to ptotect their property and neighbours,this way they can be accouted for and let authorities know that joe blow was last seen whereever.
and your just a insensitive, arrogant, stuck up, fuck wit american who no one gives a fuck about, your a pathetic excuse for an american, and its people like you, who give americans the bad reputation they have in the world.. When this happens in California and the like, us Australians dont go critisising your country, go fuck yourself.
Your golf course theory might be fine - but if you'd done your home work - you would know that the verocity of this particular season of bush fires has destroyed over 4 of them! Real safe! The safest place for people to be if they can't get out - is underground in a bunker. All communities attend CFA meetings and arrange fire plans - but it was just too quick! Why don't you speak to some of the victims, and residents of the bush to get first hand information about what they've seen.
One other thing. Thank christ your not in charge. I mean making it criminal to try to get to your loved ones by returning to the scene is ridiculous. Its attitudes like these that cause confusion and the laws need to be debated by the people they concern. You need to get out a bit more Easy and study all the facts and hear from people with real time experience which you don't.
to true extramural,even if they take groups to families,it eases the pressure of shock and stress to everyone,it also helps with putting facts to the search grougs where persons could be located that are missing.I bet more than a dozen people saw the firebug but with the trauma they just dont know it yet but they will reflect back later and remember.
every where over the world there are natural disasters and crime. i cant speak for everyone in australia but personally i live here because i love my home, my town, my country and my family are all here! and after such a devistating disaster, organisations such as red cross have raised more than $43,000000 to help everyone in need. it just goes to show that not only do we care for the country we live in, but it also cares just as much in return. i wouldn't want to live anywhere that doesn't.
Brilliant! Im guessing it might have taken almost no time at all to come up with these laws and guidelines.
As for the statement "It is estimated that to implement these ideas would not cost much. And In fact it would cost very little.
Please provide reference to where one could find some evidence of these facts.
Maybe the statement; The cost blowout would be the delay these practical laws would suffer by debates, discussions, research papers. means they dont exist.
Why don't they just put people in prison for life, and life meaning life if they start a bush fire? As for the Victorian bush fire with the horrific death toll I would like to see these firebug F#@%ING A@@HOLE get a life sentence for every person they kill ...... that would offset the chance of them getting off with it, with stories of their bad childhood ...etc etc. from a limp wristed judge
there should be a law which orders that every house
in endangered regions has a proper shelter/bunker/cellar. as well wood as building material for houses in this regions should be avoided in future, use concrete and similar materials, every town or settlement should povide one communal shelter/bunker at a central location, where basic medical equiptment and water supplies are stored, maybe additional radio communication and internet acces
They were talking about making bunkers compulsory on ABC last night (on qanda).
Another thing with these fires was many phone lines/towers went down quickly. To me, the best warning system is still the ABC radio broadcast. Everyone should have an emergency battery or wind-up radio.
In South Australia the police visited every known arsonist to let them know they were being watched, telling them that if they left home they would be followed...Result: no serious bushfires in SA.
Politicians are thinking of passing a law making it illegal for known arsonists to leave home during a bushfire alert.
seems to be a lot of ideas and experts saying how it shoud be and what to do next.say what you will but no fire is the same,no fire is friendly and every human has a different opinion how and what to do next time.there is no 100% safeguard especially with the idiot firebugs about and they must know the way in and their way out so someone knows them or saw them coming from a fire area.
You've got to understand these fires were BAD. A lot of people were well prepared and went to meetings beforehand on what to do - it was just too big and fast.
Most of your ideas just aren't feasible (practically or economically). And it's already against the law to disobey legislation (total fire bans etc) but dimwits still do.
What's needed is an sms/phone warning system but that's been talked about for years now without anything happening. Anyway, you can see and smell smoke.
Why people want to light fires to cause mass destruction is beyond me. If they do catch and prove the arsenists behind these fires, jorget jail sentences, bring back capital punishment, let the people who lost their families and homes deal with them, personally I think hang them in trees by their nuts and set them on fire, see how they like it.
hey nice vid i just hope it will be as simple as you point out but i am not shure there is a simple solution for this austraila is a big country with alot of fire prone areas alot of wich are populated so chances of a bushfire with no casualtys is very slim esspecialy in populated areas like VIC NSW QLD WA and SA i feel your ideas are great but to little to late sorry
Expect the whinging nutters to come out of the woodwork to blame anybody except themselves... From senators, scientist, looney columnist with political agendas, radio shock jocks... the circus begins.
But let the common people with their humble ideas be heard and and be allowed to contribute.
while I agree with much said here, you have to remember that the fire in which most died but NOT deliberately lit. For the fires that were a result of firebugs, yes they should get the book thrown at them. However I also think that the authorities must not be bullied by the conservation mob. Here in western Australia they whinge about the prescribed burned done each year by calm, we don't often get wildfires like they do in the eastern states.
a law dosnt help if the people dont have the morals not to do it in the first place,,so basically..if people dont think that it will kill people then a law wont stop them.you should just prevent it by mabe digging trenches around the land that water can collect in,,it would collect water for wildlife in the hot parts of the year, and the water would limmit the spread of fire by causing a boundry..
please let me know what you think of this, send me a message
In a firestorm like what happened, the fire front can jump over highways and even rivers... With almost 100 Kph winds, the flaming embers come raining down 200 to 300 metres downwind... starting new fires. Great ideas come from well meaning people like you, Scott, so keep that dream alive.
Well, that's one idea Scott and good on you for trying to think of one solution but I'm afraid it can't work. Huge fires don't spread by running along the ground. They spot ahead by kilometres via gale force winds shooting embers. Moats as you suggest would have to be as wide as an ocean. Many highways were jumped.
nothing like knee-jerk reactionism. Where are you going to get the resources/people to enforce these exclusions? Seems to me people have better things to do during a fire than monitor cameras-which will be burned if the fire comes near them. I understand your concern but do your grieving then sit down, look at the data and decide what measures could be taken to minimize the probability of this happening again ( ie training, construction codes, preparedness, etc.)
The police will also catch the Victorian firebugs. Hope that those tender hearted judges in court don't just give them a slap on the wrist and a week's probation...
Oh you can be sure they'll be extended the heaviest punishment possible, Raoul. It is also worth noting that not all of the fires in ALL of the many regions were NOT deliberately lit. For me, my blame goes to the over zealous environmentalists who wouldn't let most of us clear our blocks.
I'm not sure enviromentalists are the whole problem. It's mainly a local council issue, and a lot of the time they disallow clearing not for environmental reasons but for asthetic ones. In other words, it doesn't look 'nice'.
I do not feel that removing all vegetation from everywhere is a great idea.
Yeah, you're right BT. I guess initially it's a sort of knee-jerk reaction by many and I agree that removing all vegetation would be a bad thing. Like most who choose to I live in the bush for a reason and that is that I love its seclusion and quiet and love the wildlife that comes with it. Yep, I'd hate to see too much bushland disappear. I really only want obvious dangerous (far too close) trees removed. I'm glad I'm a stickler for insurance too losing everything outside the actual house.
Agreed. I'm lucky enough to live in a place where the few trees I did remove years ago went un-noticed by council, unless they actually came up to the house and looked they wouldn't notice. There is also the issue that the roof is where my drinking water comes from.
I still have trees close to the sheds, but we just decided that if a fire came through, the sheds would go and that would be that. That isn't going to change, it's just a decision we've made.
Well, most of these ideas will not be implemented because they are not enforceable, impossible to implement or - and here's the biggie - totally useless.
Bush-fires are not a one size fits all kind of thing. Properly prepared houses are defendable against bushfire most of the time. What I saw on Saturday was not a bushfire. It was in a league of it's own.
Correct BTPossum. You saw it too, huh? Yep, nothing prepares anyone for the monster I also saw and fought against. You & I are some of the lucky ones.
But I will not shed a tear or sympathy for a country that takes every opportunity to offend and insult the rest of the world.
Especially since this was self inflicted by stupidity, & by Australian terrorists who have deliberately set the fires to cause maximum mayhem & damage.
These are the same actions you accuse other nations of doing, and call us uncivilised and barbaric.
So, look to your own situation and think on how the world see you now.
We don't need more laws - especially draconian laws like you're proposing.
We are adults. We can make our own decisions.
One other thing, do you realize the fires were so swift and unpredictable sirens and gps would not have worked? Do you think evacuation drills would have helped when fire storms were out running people and cars?
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People should be encourage to build bunkers or fireproof rooms with oxygen masks but not forced.
Thank you, Cytuber. All true what you've said. Rauol, how does one prepare, or be warned if a stealth bomber flies overhead and drops an atomic bomb? For that is what it was like for most areas.
Bushfires are so unpredictable. They tear through the bush with amazing speed, I heard up to 60 km per hour. One man built an underground bunker, and he stayed under in there while his house burnt down. He and his wife and two kids amazingly survived. Maybe all properties could do the same and build underground bunkers. His was concrete with steel for the roof. Well done.
To true schrap even this guy seems to be laying down laws that are with us now, it just needs a sentence.Then again he sounds like hes enjoying his voice and sunnies but hes having a go.
dont think that is needed stumpy.if your there connected with the fire it must be difficult with all the chiefs wanting to make their own decisions and people want to go recover anything that connects them with what happend to their home.There has been a lot of misakes and those ready to blame,untill this is over more decisions will be questioned as wind,heat,lay of the land and growth determine the type of fire but im no expert.
great...lets have a healthy dose of Martial Law every summer. What a Fucking Idiot. This has Government "False Flag" written all over it.....wait and see just what new LAWS! we will be forced to swallow...when are the army with their APC'S going to be removed from our streets....This whole thing smells very fishy...
to true tyrbolo but i think local councils also have a roll to play as they stop people cutting trees over a certain size in some areas and tax people on storing water in tanks and dams,if water storage is not in a water course what is the problem.i also agree with schrapnel
you are setting down guidlines that are already set in place.All that is needed is 25yrs for putting human life in danger by lighting a fire deliberately and life for lighting a fire deliberately where a person lost their life.with multible deaths never to be released or take the needle.
i cannott see how an idiot is so brain blind he cant visualise what the outcome of lighting a fire.there should be 181 crosses so this or these idiots can see them coming and going every day,maybe the numbers of crosses will hurt him enough to hand himself in to police.
The comment before this one was made by a person who's identity remains hidden using a spare channel, and is obviously promoting their own agenda. I have allowed this comment to stand and not be deleted to show you folks what kind of comments will be deleted in the future. Those that have no identity and promoting a cause deemed inappropriate for the topic at hand.
Thats what the white man gets for being so racist and destroying nature with his neolibral system that exploits others through freetrade. hope all the euro auzis burn up for the land they stold!
Why the f*ck does race have to come into everything?? We are ALL HUMAN. Who gives a f*ck what colour you are or where you come from?? You wishing death upon fellow HUMANS casts yourself into your own little group, and then you wonder why the f*ck people create stereotypes of races. YOU are the reason the world can't all just accept one another as fellow inhabitants of this planet.. Its YOU who should burn.
re@hastaeltope: what the why write that shit you hartless peice of poo i bet you like rapeing grandmothers too you realy are worthless get a life a job and stop writing stupid comments on youtube
A terrorist is the lowest form of a human being. These firebugs are not larrikins or joy riders, as they think they are. They have the same brain and background as terrorists... social misfits, impoverished life, uneducated, etc.. except they have no idealogy or cause. Martin Bryant could be classified as a terrorist for what he has done.
Seriously, the nutters are coming out of the woodwork to score political points and attention, but no one cares about throwing in ideas to make a rule or guideline at least! 1. Breaking the speeding or parking laws don't make one a criminal, but they will be if they break the bush fire laws... 2. Summer is when the bush becomes a tinderbox. Other seasons, it is quite good to go camping and open the bush to recreation.
3. Easy to monitor only a handful of personnel during the alert season. GPS is cheap techno, as is other devices.
4. People have died defending their homes thinking the fire will pass all aound them if they dose it down with a garden hose. Authorities have allowed them to stay and defend...
5. Other seasons the fuel (bush) would be a lot more stable.
6. Just a guideline for evacuation decision.
7. Australia wanted DEATH to the Bali bombers... they are no different to firebugs!
but hay this is only somthing other countrys do ! ,,camrers at every forestry exit ? harhar your joking right ? people have the right to be in the bush . i go riding in 40+ deg ,you just cant police the forestry every hot day
for fuck sake do you relise how many hot days we have dowb here/
Mediawatch is correct. I was caught in one of the major fires (Kinglake) - for many people they had seconds (those on upslopes and crests of hills etc.) We are a smidge over a crest and down into a basin. We had a whole 7 minutes. No warning, an unprecedented cyclone of fire. That was the problem. Some people were LITERALLY vapourised and their remains will never be found. Hotter than a crematorium and a helluva lot faster than one.
I live where the fire happened , Kinglake are and it was 48 degrees celcius at 1pm. Then I saw the huge cloud in the sky, it look like a storm coming. Called 000 for the police and fire brigade, it was broken for the next 12 hours no one could get help, so the all died.
eppingoz 1 year ago
WTF it's 38 degrees every second day?!
arrrz0rrr9 1 year ago
the only thing we need is to stop our govt starting these fires in the first place, they are nothing but rogue nazi despots who are poisoning us daily.. they need to be exposed and stopped otherwise we're in real trouble..
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
mate you have no idea how to deal with bushfires.
as has been said by many others, homes can, have been, and will continue to be saved, if defended properly
do you even live in Australia?
Don't try and pretend to know so much about the subject.
You have not the faitist idea how to cope with bushfires
mattsdisturbed 2 years ago
BTW have you been in any fire situation, Uve got no idea, (just supporting others with the same message). These recomendations are simply not going to work. If ur in a fire u would soon realise
myarmy33 2 years ago
It is a known fact that it is safer to stay and defend your place than to try and evacuate in thick smoke. This is the biggest flaw with these recomendatations
I am an experienced Rural firefighter and with proper preparation of a house it is ALWAYS safer to stay and defend bcause of low visibility, Fires travel at massive speeds, and can jump 10km at a time The 10km evacuation zone is not enough recomendations? where is the evidence that it will be better for the community, Alarms will not work
myarmy33 2 years ago 2
I believe in the home owners right to stay and fight knowing if the CPA pulls out we are on our own. Being safety girl I have contingency plans for everything including a suburban fire storm like those seen in Sydney and Canberra. My cut and run box is always packed and uptodate. Necessary documents, at least one change of cloths for everyone, family pictures and contact details and a small ammount of cash. If the pros pull out you better believe I'm right behind them, praying for those who stay
Rachaelj1975 2 years ago
I am also aware the 09 Vic fires moved like a freight train and many had little or no warning they were in the fire path. For those facing future fire seasons it should be clear that greater self protection is required. Bunkers are an option as is a fire suppression system. You can no longer assume the CFA can worn or save you. There just aren't enough of them to go around and if it comes down to a hospital and your home the choice is obvious.Take responsibility and take action.
Rachaelj1975 2 years ago
P.s. i do agree with prosecuting arsonists, ..........
coopmen 2 years ago
I agree there should be laws, but to turn ppl into criminals for being in a particular area is just dumb........in my opinion.
Try setting up fire bans during the times you have mentioned.......
coopmen 2 years ago
pretend like hes talking about a vagina
adamaldhanki 2 years ago
Bwhahahahahahhahaaaaaa......hang on let me get my breath back ...deep breath..................BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHHHHAHAHHAAAA.
You don't have any idea do you mate?
Oh god our fires came from 50 kms away, within half an hour. Please don't speak on issues you have no idea about please. Can't wait for all our farmers to be made into criminals. And we do have laws that cover emergency situations including bushfires.
sorry, I fear I'm going to burst out laughing again,
magentasoot 2 years ago
Lol dude, you do understand that the majority of the areas burnt during the bushfires were like that and people moved there because it WAS natural. And in case you didnt hear, ill say that cause its nicer than didnt listen, because the people involved directly said they didnt have time too scratch let alone get out of the way. The best solution ive heard and the only 1 i see worth trying is the cement bunkers. Overkill? maybe, but hey, saves lives. Beats a warning system tho right?
sinnsmd 2 years ago
lol thats exactly what i first thought... all he needs is a patch of white powder on his nose and he would be a perfect fit! haha
WarXerxes 2 years ago 6
Oi its simple.
The houses should be built in low risk fire zones, the streets wider, there should be a fire bell or some thing in every house to tell them theres a bushfire coming, and the houses should be BUILD with defence things.
Be it the material its built with, or something external, attatched to the house.
dannoz123 2 years ago
That doesn't sound simple at all.
Logicbeatslies 2 years ago
Well Raoul, Some of your comments may warrant some thought but 99% of Australia is Bush land. Aboriginals practiced burning off for thousands of years and it was stopped when the Europeans came here which exacerbated the problem. The biggest problem is the "Greenies" prohibiting clearing of the bush and I'm not talking about willful destruction of bush areas or forests. Some areas are now doing controlled burning off but it's not nearly enough to stop the problem.
baccus61 2 years ago
The Royal Commission from 1939 stated that it was the whites who first came to Australia who first started burning off. Was it the greenies fault that the hottest day on record in this state tied in with winds of up to 106kmh and dangerously low humidity of 6%? The Kilmore East firestorm picked up force whilst going through a pine forest. The fire initially started because power lines blew over. It was impossible for the greenies to organise all of this isn't it??
Quest1989 2 years ago
Aboriginals lit fires as an easy way to force animals out of the bush into clearings where they could kill them.
Of course they did any controlled burning.
This is why the Australian bush is so combustible 50,000 years of bushfire hunting techniques created the problem.
It also forced 1000's of mega fauna species into extinction.
Logicbeatslies 2 years ago
I didn't deserve a thumbs down. I was telling the truth - no bias, just facts.
Logicbeatslies 2 years ago
dude the aborignal people have warned us to back burn,
they knew this would happen
but we didnt listen
jaydendrums111 2 years ago
Aboriginals politicking after the fact won't save lives.
Logicbeatslies 2 years ago
raoul for presidente (i think not)
simyan2008 2 years ago
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE BUSH?? are you going to tell them they can not go to thier homes?? and yes arson would be treated as murder if it caused deaths. you cant beat nature with rules you need actions and different ways of living with nature.
simyan2008 2 years ago
toss a foster's on that brush fire OY OY OY
why760nitro 2 years ago
It's clear Raoul hasn't lived in 'the bush' which in many sections, regions, areas covering immense kilometres. I live in one of the worst hit areas. How are we supposed to abandon our homes on every high danger day. 20 days or more every summer? Who looks after our livestock? Who prevents thousands of homes being burgled? Where do kids go to their schools, us to our employers. Shut shops? This fire was unusual. Our home was made fireproof, we fought hard & were some of the lucky ones who won.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
What a lot of people do not realise is when the fire is close there are so many people with their hoses on trying to save their homes that its useless, because what happens is the water pressure goes down and you are lucky to get a tricle from your garden Hose. embers are the problem if you live within 500 metres of a forest, especially on a windy day. Also if you water a window that is extremely hot the glass can smash. So, just get the hell out of there
AliciaPTLAlicia 2 years ago
Xclnt txt vhbza01 pg 3 about controlled burnoffs, then higher than normal rainfall Nov/Dec creating rapid regrowth of fuel ie grass etc. Pls look at climate control/chemtrail-geo engineering that is going on Aust wide creating much devastation. Flooding in Qld 75% in Feb08, 65% this yr, many 1000's homes destroyed due to flooding last yr. Check out chemtrails/utube! or Devilvision: the worlds new wireless grid chptr 5 or Australian global warming con. Deepest sadness for those who have lost!
cockycunt 2 years ago
you need help from regular people in the begining get the water hoses and sprinklers out help not run away
harold17562 2 years ago
Fire may be arsoned by Paul Watson
TokyoModern 2 years ago
It sounds to me that these "new laws" were based off your own ideas rather than through research. Firstly, a lot of the towns that were destroyed were on fairly elevated ground, so I don't know if a golf course or sports oval would be possible. Secondly, it is still possible for the grass in a clear area to catch fire from burning embers blown onto it by the wind, depending on the dryness of the grass. I think that if they built fireproof housing in dense areas or built...
yourbigbadauntie 2 years ago
underground concrete cellars, it may increase the chance of survival. I also don't know if this whole 'red light cameras' thing would even be possible, it may be, I'm not sure, but you'd probably need hundreds if not thousands of them. If there's a high fire danger and noone's allowed to use bush roads, you'd still get people using the roads who wouldn't even know about the fire danger. You should also consider that there's a lot of people that live in the bush and people need to use the roads.
yourbigbadauntie 2 years ago
This was a good video. Thanks for sharing your opinions. You seem like a very moral and sincere individual.
PR0GRAMMING 2 years ago
This would have to be the most un-informed video I think I have ever seen. I could explain why but if you are not interested in researching then why should I point it out for you.
Only thing I agree with is the use of fire sirens. All the other things you mentioned are already well established in our legal system. The one thing that needs to change is the stay and fight or leave message, that needs to be dramatically revised.
RustyDK 2 years ago
Hindsight, it's a hell of a word people. doesn't matter where you are from. As a victorian, with family totally affected by the fires. Many people who lived in the forest protected areas, who couldn't clear out their properties,(due to council restrictions) lost their homes, then we have the Greenies, stopping the age old practice of burning off, that the Aboriginies have been doing for generations, just so they seem to be protecting the natural fauna of Australian Bushland and Forests.
twinsubs 2 years ago
7/2/2009 = 9.11 u do the math - the govt planned this, caused it and wiped out communities deliberately to gain funds and energy and assume more control..
Time to wake up folks - You still think they care?? that they have your back??
Think again and get with the programme... !
study the agenda of the New world order and have your eyes opened to what is planned for humanity.. and that includes YOU!
SovereignBeing 2 years ago
Raoul, we already take precautions but times things get so out of control with out warning that nothing can be done we are not stupid
gothicaminotaur 2 years ago
One of the biggest problems was the weather months ago. I am a firefighter in one of the towns that was hit, we did some controlled burns last year. Then we had above average rainfall in November and December last year and everything that was burned grew back almost overnight. Then we had record heat in January which made everything tinder dry, and also made more burn offs too dangerous. When the fires came through, there was nothing we could do to protect our town.
vhbza01 2 years ago
Whenever someting bad happens in Australia, they always investigate the impact of the situation. They never investigate the cause. That is why bad stuff always happens in Australia and those ignorant Aussies always cry. For example the Cronulla Riots, those cops were too busy arresting Lebanese people while nobody tried to find out why the riot was started. Same goes for the bushfires, nobody tried to find out why it happened. They only focus on the impact of the situation.
HanasakiDream88 2 years ago
as an Australian bush firefighter i can speak for anyone who has any fire knowledge. fire cannot be predicted, only fire weather can be predicted. Australia has very tough laws agianst arson, and we are trying to get the fire safety message out there. By the way, the cronulla riots have nothing to do with bushfire, that was about some wanker who decided to bash a lifeguard for no reason.
rfs102 2 years ago 2
actually you dumb shit.. they are trying to aid the ppl effected by the fires firstly seeings so much has been lost and ppl are now homeless. But they are also investigating the fire seeings some was deliberately lit. they are doing both. i think ya should do some homework dumbass
xxxxsaleenxxxx 2 years ago
Don't dumbass me you dumber dumbass
HanasakiDream88 2 years ago
I find it difficult to take any notice of a person who won't show his/her eyes? There's going to be a Royal Commission investigating these fires, with the powers of a judge in any court room. People give evidence under oath; people can be made to appearI think we should wait until submissions are called for; experts experiences, suggestions etc and those who experienced this horrific event/s; govt departments and all relevant people. It could be that insurance companies will dictate in future?
nannyomi45 2 years ago
mr mafia in the sunnies,in this country we got laws it just needs judges with guts,hey you make a lot of videos do you look at em much
austscout 2 years ago 3
By forcing people to leave, we would do more damage than any bushfire could. Yet another civil liberty/freedom taken due to tragedy.
The answer is in education. Make people firewise so that when the fire service suggest you leave; you leave.
xFENRISx 2 years ago 3
Is this a joke? No really. Are you kidding. Let's arrest people for not following your "expert" opinion. I would stop you stopwatch now because your ideas are cracked. I consider that the legal proceedings on arresting and charging all people who break fire regulations and the cost of "investigating" all cars trying to escape a bushfire would be considerable.
PouLeeps 2 years ago 3
just one question. Raoul have you ever been near a bushfire. seen the aftermath, felt the panic as it comes through. I have. I stayed with my folks we defended our home and guess what we are still standing, and so is our house. if your suggestions were ever enacted then youd end up arrest every person in the vicinity of the fire because it is next to impossible to act rationally when you have a force that great and powerful raging towards you.
secindlis 2 years ago
Too Bad No One Takes Youtube Videos Seriously.
petters27 2 years ago
Hey Raoul, I don't think you have ever been in a bush fire . Provocotive for discussion, but impractical ideas. Are you suggesting on days over 38 deg temps Australia becomes a police state?
Have you ever heard the noise of a bushfire? Who will hear this alarm?
Houses get saved all the time, and people on a golf course are sitting ducks in the path of a fire. Experience and scientific evaluation of this last tragic
event will bring more effective proceedures.
rust88888 2 years ago
No. This problem cannot be solved with regulation and sacrificing EVEN MORE of our civil liberties. We must address the problems directly. I speak as one who was there, in the wake of the fires, and no doubt one who will have to clear up the mess.
Let's all keep our heads.
xFENRISx 2 years ago
Developing events:
The Blame Game begins.
A class action suit is brewing blaming the electrical power company for the fires. The community grief has not yet even settled, yet the money trail begins...
EasyRaoul 2 years ago
wow you're so right,
It all comes down to money.
hsvnow 2 years ago
"No fuel, no fire." The Greens, bureaocrats and politicians that kiss their collective arse are responsible for much of the death and destruction of these wild fires, mate. Australia is bound & demoralised by too much legislation already but you propose a Police State to fix 'stpidity' which is clearly generated by over government. Common-sense is what Australians were noted for before minority groups of multi-culturalists ripped 'something in common' right out of "community". Stick it Raool.
cr4zyu 2 years ago
The fires in Victoria are made possible due to weather conditions, the amount of fuel for the fire and human intervention... The reason why so many poor people lost their lives was due to the fight or flight mentality... which is a neat way for governments to pass on responsability for deaths and property damage... The fire in Victoria was NOT defendable and people weren't warned of the fires... and YES the greens controlling burnoffs is a joke! Look at the last Canberra and Kosiosko fires!
vk8nat 2 years ago
Gee Raoul it would be great for the authorities to improve response to events like these but your proposals sound very much like a police state. As for your statement that a house in the path in a bushfire is undefendable is wrong. A properly prepared home can be defended in normal circumstances. These circumstances were not normal and it is a little extreme to think this is going to all the time, it doesnt. Make sure your house is prepared and you have a better chance of saving it.
jscott1969 2 years ago 2
Spot on jscott.
I'm sick of ppl blaming the greenies, dse etc too. Like they said the other day, when they want to do a fuel reduction burn, they have to apply for a permit but they only have a certain time frame to conduct it. If weather isn't good enough they have to wait for another window, apply for permit, etc, etc.
jangerman 2 years ago
I understand you are trying to help, but the people who made it to open space also died in some locations, from radiant heat and lack of oxygen. The red light cameras. LOL thats a joke mate. Also the guy who was fined 50,000 for clearing the trees around his house, he did more than that, he cleared his whole block 100 yards of trees, he left some standing near the house. He was fined for that, not cutting a few trees down around his house, he cut down several hundred I believe.
Vetiwitch 2 years ago
Maybe people will start to understand that having a landscape full of Eucalyptus trees in not a good thing. Goole up Peter Andrews to see how we can help the country not have fires like this again!
Natural Sequence Farming!:)
sizercam 2 years ago
Developing events: One arsonist has been caught and detained.
Will he be hiding under the skirt of an Insanity Plea? Will the lawyers blame society for his condition? Will the judge sentence him with a slap on the wrist?
News link on the details, at the bottom of the text column.
EasyRaoul 2 years ago
The people who were fined for clearing their land were done so not for clearing a few trees but for flattening every tree over a wide area. Imagine if everyone who wanted a tree change moved to the hills and cleared all the trees and used fire prevention as an excuse, why live there? Read the council laws and you will see that clearing trees around your house is not illegal but common sense must prevail in this case and all the facts looked at and you will see they cleared everything to extreme.
extramural 2 years ago 2
Eucalyptus produce the "haze" and intense oil as an adaption to PROTECT them from bushfires, they do not cause them. Australians are greedy for water and have been warned that the bush is dying. The drought is a side issue, Australia is a land of drought and flood. The "fire bug" ruse has been going on for years to divert from the unsustainable water practises that starve the bush. Where are all the fire bug prosecutions? Not arrests, but prosecutions? The Bush is dying.
mikontisot 2 years ago
Although I agree with some of your ideas, how about the ratepayer funded councils get off their fat overpaid asses, and clear the immediate perimeter of any bush zone, to standards that keep the residents safe. THIS WAS NOT DONE in this instance!
trulykiwi 2 years ago
One council fined a resident couple over $50,000 for clearing trees around their home within their farm property a few years ago. It turns out now that they were the only house left standing... It was in the news just today.
EasyRaoul 2 years ago
Raoul, I don't know the rational behind the fine, since that clearing seems reasonable for this exact purpose. I recognize that there probably was some perception that it would be considered an infraction to clear those tress, but what was the reason? Do you know the reason behind the fine, just out of curiosity? My first guess has to do with environmental concerns, but I've no information, of course. It's just shot in the dark.
kalacaw 2 years ago
Betty, I have provided links on the video details about this story. It's on the bottom of the text column.
EasyRaoul 2 years ago
Betty here in Australia councils have Enviromental policies in place which state that you can not cut down trees without permission of the council, these policies range from "You can't remove trees from council land or public land" and the more extreme councils will not let you remove trees on your own land. The day that enviromentalists allow low intensity hazard reductions during the winter months the better.
HAZY6996YZAH 2 years ago
Maybe they'll listen ... now.
kalacaw 2 years ago
Betty U are 100% right !!!
It's all about FUEL REDUCTION !!!
Which means .......
CONTROLLED BURNING !!!!!!
Its about having CLEARANCE around structures.!!!!!!!
and I am open to any comment from enviromentlists .
My heart felt sympathy to all affected by this disaster :(
fellow SMOKE CHASER (South Africa )
bricksterbang 2 years ago
Yeah I saw that a couple of days ago, and not only did the council fine them $50k, it cost them another $50k in costs, ruined them financially, and took 4 years for them to fight the battle.
As you stated, their house was the only one of 7 in the street left standing. They are now going to attempt to have the courts ruling overturned, and hopefully common sense will prevail.
trulykiwi 2 years ago
I see that you're taking a few hits for this video, and I'm sorry. I know you're very interested in preventing a future such tragedy, Raoul. Onya, mate.
There is an increased land fire risk in the U.S. over one particular matter of an invasive species called cheat grass, more so on the West coast than East, although we have it here too. I hadn't kept up with the research as of late, but there was a time when I feared that we might be headed for an event such as this as a result.
kalacaw 2 years ago
In Australia, we have the Eucalyptus tree which dominates the Australian flora. They give off a volatile oil vapour which gives our mountains that blue haze... In New South Wales, we have the Blue Mountains, so called because of these volatile oil vapour creating the blue haze. In a bush fire, these lingering haze ignites to form a giant fireball... Like a fire blower does... The leaves and branches are rich in fuel for combustion. Fallen and dried leaves of the trees are like a tinder box.
EasyRaoul 2 years ago
I don't know, Raoul. I have a background in the fire service and it looks good to me on the surface, but that's just my little ol' background talking.
My background also compels me to mention the issue of delayed reporting, which accounts for a great deal of fire loss in the U.S. One's own fire extinguisher, IMO, is best regarded first as an escape tool, not a firefighting tool.
It seems though, that the only way we know how to prevent past from becoming prologue is for many to die. :(
kalacaw 2 years ago
Some thoughts to ponder upon, Betty... with your background in the Fire Services, I know how you would feel. After the Canberra fires of many years ago, there was much debate and research of the lessons learned, but sadly they were swept under the political rug of the then incumbent government... and now this sad day in history. Yes, many have died, but hopefully they have not perished in vain.
Bless ya, mate.
EasyRaoul 2 years ago
you guys are right.the best plan can come undone on the day because of the weather heat,wind and where you live in regard to topography...extramural is right he or she has a right to go if the area has been made safe to ptotect their property and neighbours,this way they can be accouted for and let authorities know that joe blow was last seen whereever.
austscout 2 years ago
and your just a insensitive, arrogant, stuck up, fuck wit american who no one gives a fuck about, your a pathetic excuse for an american, and its people like you, who give americans the bad reputation they have in the world.. When this happens in California and the like, us Australians dont go critisising your country, go fuck yourself.
Sarov101 2 years ago
why not???
abdu2s 2 years ago
Your golf course theory might be fine - but if you'd done your home work - you would know that the verocity of this particular season of bush fires has destroyed over 4 of them! Real safe! The safest place for people to be if they can't get out - is underground in a bunker. All communities attend CFA meetings and arrange fire plans - but it was just too quick! Why don't you speak to some of the victims, and residents of the bush to get first hand information about what they've seen.
belindaallchin 2 years ago
One other thing. Thank christ your not in charge. I mean making it criminal to try to get to your loved ones by returning to the scene is ridiculous. Its attitudes like these that cause confusion and the laws need to be debated by the people they concern. You need to get out a bit more Easy and study all the facts and hear from people with real time experience which you don't.
extramural 2 years ago
to true extramural,even if they take groups to families,it eases the pressure of shock and stress to everyone,it also helps with putting facts to the search grougs where persons could be located that are missing.I bet more than a dozen people saw the firebug but with the trauma they just dont know it yet but they will reflect back later and remember.
schrapnel1969 2 years ago
red cross raised nothing,australians gave something,the red cross did a great job collecting.rtcpenquin has got to be a septic tank.
schrapnel1969 2 years ago
every where over the world there are natural disasters and crime. i cant speak for everyone in australia but personally i live here because i love my home, my town, my country and my family are all here! and after such a devistating disaster, organisations such as red cross have raised more than $43,000000 to help everyone in need. it just goes to show that not only do we care for the country we live in, but it also cares just as much in return. i wouldn't want to live anywhere that doesn't.
NavyGirLtapitA 2 years ago
Brilliant! Im guessing it might have taken almost no time at all to come up with these laws and guidelines.
As for the statement "It is estimated that to implement these ideas would not cost much. And In fact it would cost very little.
Please provide reference to where one could find some evidence of these facts.
Maybe the statement; The cost blowout would be the delay these practical laws would suffer by debates, discussions, research papers. means they dont exist.
MadMacISmad 2 years ago
thanks for this vid ! I feel for all who suffered.
take care,
DC
dagocleo 3 years ago
Arson should also be considered as animal cruelty.
ohworldgirl 3 years ago
Why don't they just put people in prison for life, and life meaning life if they start a bush fire? As for the Victorian bush fire with the horrific death toll I would like to see these firebug F#@%ING A@@HOLE get a life sentence for every person they kill ...... that would offset the chance of them getting off with it, with stories of their bad childhood ...etc etc. from a limp wristed judge
ElvisGrey 3 years ago
there should be a law which orders that every house
in endangered regions has a proper shelter/bunker/cellar. as well wood as building material for houses in this regions should be avoided in future, use concrete and similar materials, every town or settlement should povide one communal shelter/bunker at a central location, where basic medical equiptment and water supplies are stored, maybe additional radio communication and internet acces
truthspeaker969 3 years ago
They were talking about making bunkers compulsory on ABC last night (on qanda).
Another thing with these fires was many phone lines/towers went down quickly. To me, the best warning system is still the ABC radio broadcast. Everyone should have an emergency battery or wind-up radio.
jangerman 2 years ago
In South Australia the police visited every known arsonist to let them know they were being watched, telling them that if they left home they would be followed...Result: no serious bushfires in SA.
Politicians are thinking of passing a law making it illegal for known arsonists to leave home during a bushfire alert.
youngmoigle 3 years ago
seems to be a lot of ideas and experts saying how it shoud be and what to do next.say what you will but no fire is the same,no fire is friendly and every human has a different opinion how and what to do next time.there is no 100% safeguard especially with the idiot firebugs about and they must know the way in and their way out so someone knows them or saw them coming from a fire area.
schrapnel1969 3 years ago
Disaster is because Australians destroyed nature too much.
Settlers developed wide range of forests and killed numerous wildlife.
mothernaturetalk 3 years ago
You've got to understand these fires were BAD. A lot of people were well prepared and went to meetings beforehand on what to do - it was just too big and fast.
Most of your ideas just aren't feasible (practically or economically). And it's already against the law to disobey legislation (total fire bans etc) but dimwits still do.
What's needed is an sms/phone warning system but that's been talked about for years now without anything happening. Anyway, you can see and smell smoke.
jangerman 3 years ago
Why people want to light fires to cause mass destruction is beyond me. If they do catch and prove the arsenists behind these fires, jorget jail sentences, bring back capital punishment, let the people who lost their families and homes deal with them, personally I think hang them in trees by their nuts and set them on fire, see how they like it.
weztech 3 years ago
hey nice vid i just hope it will be as simple as you point out but i am not shure there is a simple solution for this austraila is a big country with alot of fire prone areas alot of wich are populated so chances of a bushfire with no casualtys is very slim esspecialy in populated areas like VIC NSW QLD WA and SA i feel your ideas are great but to little to late sorry
towns21 3 years ago
means well, but does not have a clue
anthony9thompson 3 years ago
Thanks for contributing.
Expect the whinging nutters to come out of the woodwork to blame anybody except themselves... From senators, scientist, looney columnist with political agendas, radio shock jocks... the circus begins.
But let the common people with their humble ideas be heard and and be allowed to contribute.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
They will be caught.
Thanks, muchas gracias, for your concerns.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
while I agree with much said here, you have to remember that the fire in which most died but NOT deliberately lit. For the fires that were a result of firebugs, yes they should get the book thrown at them. However I also think that the authorities must not be bullied by the conservation mob. Here in western Australia they whinge about the prescribed burned done each year by calm, we don't often get wildfires like they do in the eastern states.
juleigh1959 3 years ago
a law dosnt help if the people dont have the morals not to do it in the first place,,so basically..if people dont think that it will kill people then a law wont stop them.you should just prevent it by mabe digging trenches around the land that water can collect in,,it would collect water for wildlife in the hot parts of the year, and the water would limmit the spread of fire by causing a boundry..
please let me know what you think of this, send me a message
thanks
scott (bubbles240681)
bubbles240681 3 years ago
In a firestorm like what happened, the fire front can jump over highways and even rivers... With almost 100 Kph winds, the flaming embers come raining down 200 to 300 metres downwind... starting new fires. Great ideas come from well meaning people like you, Scott, so keep that dream alive.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Well, that's one idea Scott and good on you for trying to think of one solution but I'm afraid it can't work. Huge fires don't spread by running along the ground. They spot ahead by kilometres via gale force winds shooting embers. Moats as you suggest would have to be as wide as an ocean. Many highways were jumped.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
nothing like knee-jerk reactionism. Where are you going to get the resources/people to enforce these exclusions? Seems to me people have better things to do during a fire than monitor cameras-which will be burned if the fire comes near them. I understand your concern but do your grieving then sit down, look at the data and decide what measures could be taken to minimize the probability of this happening again ( ie training, construction codes, preparedness, etc.)
seajayf 3 years ago
tasmanian police caught a copycat firebug last night, so it looks like the more they are spoken about, the more that come out of the woodwork.
austscout 3 years ago
The police will also catch the Victorian firebugs. Hope that those tender hearted judges in court don't just give them a slap on the wrist and a week's probation...
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Oh you can be sure they'll be extended the heaviest punishment possible, Raoul. It is also worth noting that not all of the fires in ALL of the many regions were NOT deliberately lit. For me, my blame goes to the over zealous environmentalists who wouldn't let most of us clear our blocks.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
I'm not sure enviromentalists are the whole problem. It's mainly a local council issue, and a lot of the time they disallow clearing not for environmental reasons but for asthetic ones. In other words, it doesn't look 'nice'.
I do not feel that removing all vegetation from everywhere is a great idea.
BTPossum 2 years ago
Yeah, you're right BT. I guess initially it's a sort of knee-jerk reaction by many and I agree that removing all vegetation would be a bad thing. Like most who choose to I live in the bush for a reason and that is that I love its seclusion and quiet and love the wildlife that comes with it. Yep, I'd hate to see too much bushland disappear. I really only want obvious dangerous (far too close) trees removed. I'm glad I'm a stickler for insurance too losing everything outside the actual house.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
Agreed. I'm lucky enough to live in a place where the few trees I did remove years ago went un-noticed by council, unless they actually came up to the house and looked they wouldn't notice. There is also the issue that the roof is where my drinking water comes from.
I still have trees close to the sheds, but we just decided that if a fire came through, the sheds would go and that would be that. That isn't going to change, it's just a decision we've made.
BTPossum 2 years ago
well said, the australian fires are all over the news channels where I am from here in the U.S. its really scary :(
tiffanyrox79 3 years ago
Nothing like the forest fires of California, Tiff...
The eucalyptus and gum trees are like gun powder kegs...
Bless ya.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Well, most of these ideas will not be implemented because they are not enforceable, impossible to implement or - and here's the biggie - totally useless.
Bush-fires are not a one size fits all kind of thing. Properly prepared houses are defendable against bushfire most of the time. What I saw on Saturday was not a bushfire. It was in a league of it's own.
BTPossum 3 years ago
It was a league of it's own.
You are so spot on.
A black day in history.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Correct BTPossum. You saw it too, huh? Yep, nothing prepares anyone for the monster I also saw and fought against. You & I are some of the lucky ones.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
Yeah, luck is the only reason I'm here. If the change didn't come through when it did, I'd be toast.
The fire was so fast that I thought I was tripping out in some way. I literally couldn't believe it.
BTPossum 2 years ago
I will hope that it does not get worse.
But I will not shed a tear or sympathy for a country that takes every opportunity to offend and insult the rest of the world.
Especially since this was self inflicted by stupidity, & by Australian terrorists who have deliberately set the fires to cause maximum mayhem & damage.
These are the same actions you accuse other nations of doing, and call us uncivilised and barbaric.
So, look to your own situation and think on how the world see you now.
SylvieKloot 3 years ago
We don't need more laws - especially draconian laws like you're proposing.
We are adults. We can make our own decisions.
One other thing, do you realize the fires were so swift and unpredictable sirens and gps would not have worked? Do you think evacuation drills would have helped when fire storms were out running people and cars?
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People should be encourage to build bunkers or fireproof rooms with oxygen masks but not forced.
cytuber 3 years ago 2
Thank you, Cytuber. All true what you've said. Rauol, how does one prepare, or be warned if a stealth bomber flies overhead and drops an atomic bomb? For that is what it was like for most areas.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
Bushfires are so unpredictable. They tear through the bush with amazing speed, I heard up to 60 km per hour. One man built an underground bunker, and he stayed under in there while his house burnt down. He and his wife and two kids amazingly survived. Maybe all properties could do the same and build underground bunkers. His was concrete with steel for the roof. Well done.
ada7indo 3 years ago
Well I can agree with number 7
5*
Gigolo8 3 years ago
Good onya, Geoff!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Sorry I'm late viewing, been drying things out up here when possible hehehe
Gigolo8 3 years ago
Yeah I knew about the flooding up North, mate! Hope Thuringoa and Townsville are doing OK!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Yeah, it's ok here - it's just hard to type in full SCUBA Gear hehehe
Gigolo8 3 years ago
i hope they catch them rip to all thoses who lost their lives
rebecka2008 3 years ago
May justice be swift for the sake of those innocent lives.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
To true schrap even this guy seems to be laying down laws that are with us now, it just needs a sentence.Then again he sounds like hes enjoying his voice and sunnies but hes having a go.
austscout 3 years ago
dont think that is needed stumpy.if your there connected with the fire it must be difficult with all the chiefs wanting to make their own decisions and people want to go recover anything that connects them with what happend to their home.There has been a lot of misakes and those ready to blame,untill this is over more decisions will be questioned as wind,heat,lay of the land and growth determine the type of fire but im no expert.
schrapnel1969 3 years ago
great...lets have a healthy dose of Martial Law every summer. What a Fucking Idiot. This has Government "False Flag" written all over it.....wait and see just what new LAWS! we will be forced to swallow...when are the army with their APC'S going to be removed from our streets....This whole thing smells very fishy...
stumpyjammer 3 years ago
to true tyrbolo but i think local councils also have a roll to play as they stop people cutting trees over a certain size in some areas and tax people on storing water in tanks and dams,if water storage is not in a water course what is the problem.i also agree with schrapnel
austscout 3 years ago
If you've ever burned eucalyptus, you know how
dangerous it is. Big fires are terrible things
but you have to make some effort to cut the hazards.
tyrbolo 3 years ago
The fuel within those eucaluyptus and gum trees are unbelievably volatile!
A great fireball occurs when the fuel steams out of the heated branches and ignites...
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
you are setting down guidlines that are already set in place.All that is needed is 25yrs for putting human life in danger by lighting a fire deliberately and life for lighting a fire deliberately where a person lost their life.with multible deaths never to be released or take the needle.
schrapnel1969 3 years ago
i cannott see how an idiot is so brain blind he cant visualise what the outcome of lighting a fire.there should be 181 crosses so this or these idiots can see them coming and going every day,maybe the numbers of crosses will hurt him enough to hand himself in to police.
tripz250 3 years ago
The comment before this one was made by a person who's identity remains hidden using a spare channel, and is obviously promoting their own agenda. I have allowed this comment to stand and not be deleted to show you folks what kind of comments will be deleted in the future. Those that have no identity and promoting a cause deemed inappropriate for the topic at hand.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Thats what the white man gets for being so racist and destroying nature with his neolibral system that exploits others through freetrade. hope all the euro auzis burn up for the land they stold!
hastaeltope78 3 years ago
hastaeltope78 ...the only person being racist around here is you!
That fire didn't discriminate.
Fore once in ya life start being man.
MRMILO57 3 years ago
@ hastaeltope78
Why the f*ck does race have to come into everything?? We are ALL HUMAN. Who gives a f*ck what colour you are or where you come from?? You wishing death upon fellow HUMANS casts yourself into your own little group, and then you wonder why the f*ck people create stereotypes of races. YOU are the reason the world can't all just accept one another as fellow inhabitants of this planet.. Its YOU who should burn.
senorquax 3 years ago
re@hastaeltope: what the why write that shit you hartless peice of poo i bet you like rapeing grandmothers too you realy are worthless get a life a job and stop writing stupid comments on youtube
towns21 3 years ago
Heya, Sammi
A terrorist is the lowest form of a human being. These firebugs are not larrikins or joy riders, as they think they are. They have the same brain and background as terrorists... social misfits, impoverished life, uneducated, etc.. except they have no idealogy or cause. Martin Bryant could be classified as a terrorist for what he has done.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Do they have to use the word terrorist? It instantly gets my guard up. I hate that word, it is used as a scare tactic.
StylidiumLane 3 years ago
The great Canberra fires about 14 years ago had some great guidelines... but was swept under the political rug... by the then incumbent government.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Just for arguments sake:
1>> Doesn't the creation of a law come bundled with the assumption that it is illegal to break said law?
2>> Why make it seasonal? Water restrictions are not and fire certainly isn't.
3>>What a quagmire to wade through! Sounds like a modified 'Homeland Security' clause.
4>>Why?
5>>Good idea! Why limit the season?
6>>Seems difficult to enforce...
7>>Arguable. It might be easier to get voluntary manslaughter, but not a bad idea. :)
This seem like a good start.
Loadie 3 years ago
Had too much sugar at brekkie, Aaron? LOL!
Seriously, the nutters are coming out of the woodwork to score political points and attention, but no one cares about throwing in ideas to make a rule or guideline at least! 1. Breaking the speeding or parking laws don't make one a criminal, but they will be if they break the bush fire laws... 2. Summer is when the bush becomes a tinderbox. Other seasons, it is quite good to go camping and open the bush to recreation.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
3. Easy to monitor only a handful of personnel during the alert season. GPS is cheap techno, as is other devices.
4. People have died defending their homes thinking the fire will pass all aound them if they dose it down with a garden hose. Authorities have allowed them to stay and defend...
5. Other seasons the fuel (bush) would be a lot more stable.
6. Just a guideline for evacuation decision.
7. Australia wanted DEATH to the Bali bombers... they are no different to firebugs!
YASHRN!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Interesting ideas Raoul.
Arthur40TwoDent 3 years ago
Good onya, Nick!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Great ideas.
qiranger 3 years ago
Thanks muchly, Steve!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
I bet arsonist is the eco-terrorist Paul Watson
laundryatta 3 years ago
just listening mang raoul!
next month sa pinas fire prevention month na naman!
trebornoican 3 years ago
Good one!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
your ideas are a good start.
GrahamAndFriends 3 years ago
Yes, mate I want to throw it out there, instead of these whingers who blame anything to score political points and attention.
Onya!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
I agree man every thing you put forward sounds to me to be a good idea, Now let WAIT and see *****stars;)
Kabuki0009 3 years ago
Yes. That's it.
Lets see how long the politicians will turn out a law on bush fires, particularly...
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
one smart monky i give him that
but hay this is only somthing other countrys do ! ,,camrers at every forestry exit ? harhar your joking right ? people have the right to be in the bush . i go riding in 40+ deg ,you just cant police the forestry every hot day
for fuck sake do you relise how many hot days we have dowb here/
450hp202turbo 3 years ago
In a Firestorm you cant win Easy people had Seconds if that to think but where burned to DEATH
I guy put his children in his car went back to get something came out and the car was on fire he lost his whole family in SECONDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Mediawatch08 3 years ago
No one can ever predict the events in a freak firestorm.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Mediawatch is correct. I was caught in one of the major fires (Kinglake) - for many people they had seconds (those on upslopes and crests of hills etc.) We are a smidge over a crest and down into a basin. We had a whole 7 minutes. No warning, an unprecedented cyclone of fire. That was the problem. Some people were LITERALLY vapourised and their remains will never be found. Hotter than a crematorium and a helluva lot faster than one.
HagsTheHorrible 2 years ago
Firestorm one in 30 years hell, on Earth people gone....
Mediawatch08 2 years ago
You have a lot of good ideas there (:
Wiselala 3 years ago
Thanks muchly, mate.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Great ideas
KyphosisKiel 3 years ago
Hope the politicians have the same mind, mate!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
i agree
lightweight69 3 years ago
Bless ya, mate.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Yer everyone needs a RDID chip implant to track their every move.
Should bring over the chinese and wood chip every forest and never have a tree again.
OinkyDag 3 years ago 2
Yes, yes, yes.
auschickie 3 years ago
Onya, mate.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
You can get a bulldozer and clear the sides of
the roads of flammable vegetation. Nobody
should ever burn while escaping on a road
tyrbolo 3 years ago
The Greenies would shoot you lol
Mediawatch08 3 years ago
One survivor described the flames crossing the road as lava... only faster. There were winds of up to 100 KPH.
EasyRaoul 3 years ago
Spot on mate
Nicko
robjnixon 3 years ago 2
Thanks, Nicko!
Onya!
EasyRaoul 3 years ago