It's more likely that this video isn't sped up and that the Richter's version is, because Richter is jumping around so much that you'd think that it would be sped up but this guy sits pretty much still. ( I hope this makes any sense:)
@fuchion15: what? You admit that some people might enjoy the speed, but then warn musicians not to play at that speed. So basically musicians should just play the way that -you- want them to, right?
Problem is that you don't understand the piece the same way Richter did (this is his interpretation). Until you are capable of comprehending Chopin to the extent he did, or until you can at least provide some kind of argument for your claims, don't butt in with your crap opinions.
I never said he was. I only said that Richter played the piece in the way he understood it, I.e. it was his interpretation. And since I doubt anyone here is even 1/100th the musician Richter was, I don't think anyone here has the right to wholly criticize his play. It's fine, of course, to not enjoy it, but to imply his play is "wrong" and "incapable of entertaining" is plain idiotic. I doubt you even read the comment I was responding to.
@fireb0rn Actually, the person you replied to had CLEARLY stated that it was his/her own opinion. Which he/she has a right to. Besides, Richter was only human (i.e. Fallible).
And i find "comprehending Chopin" to be absolute nonsense because we've seen many legendary/ skilled pianists interpret Chopin in ways that were entirely different.
So unless you meant that it was YOUR understanding of Chopin's music, it's somewhat senseless.
"playing fast is extremely enjoyable to the performer, but it may not always be the best entertainment to the listen"
That doesn't appear to be a statement of opinion to me. He is stating a "universal rule" of music, which he was clearly applying negatively to this video (unless you suppose his statement is completely irrelevant). It was this statement I was responding to, and I'm troubled to see you couldn't find it.
@fireb0rn The commenter did say that this was his opinion. He said " to me..." and then he explained specifically why he didn't like the performance. I don't think anyone would be against the statement that "it may not always be the best entertainment to the listen" when a performer plays too fast.
And i had read the comment beforehand, i don't know why you'd assumed i hadn't.
And I still don't see how I'm wrong. Yes, there are many different interpretations of the music. Richter is responsible for this one. Horowitz, Cortot or Rubinstein may be responsible for others. We can trust that they comprehend Chopin to some extent because they are amazing pianists. I had never said Richter's comprehension of Chopin was complete, but certainly there is comprehension: to imply there isn't is ridiculous.
@fireb0rn "We can trust that they comprehend Chopin to some extent because they are amazing pianists"
I don't see a correlation between being a good pianist and a good interpreter of music. Hamelin is a good example. He's a brilliant technician, but a lot of people don't think he's any good at interpreting music.
And i'm not denying that Richter played this beautifully, I'm just saying it's perfectly normal for people to think otherwise. They're just used to a different take on it.
Musicians do not merely take a piece and play it however they please without a care for the messages of the composer. That is not an "interpretation" of a piece, it is simply a fabrication. I may say that 1984 wasn't a dystopian novel but a novel of freedom and happiness (as opposed to the opposite): but when I do, it ceases to be an interpretation, it is merely a fabrication on my part. Musicians must comprehend then form their interpretations. That is what I meant.
@fireb0rn "Musicians must comprehend then form their interpretations" The fact is Musicians' comprehension of pieces differs vastly. And none are right/wrong. Your judgement of a piece mostly depends on what you're used to (or how you're used to hearing the message).
Also I fail to see what is confusing about what I said, "comprehending Chopin." Besides that I find your post very confusing, as it seems you're accusing me of claiming that other people's interpretations are somehow invalid. Which I clearly did not say at all. In fact the person I was responding to was claiming this exactly, which is why I responded in the way I did.
This kind of mindless "virtuosity" is an insult to artists and listeners. This is not beautiful music by any stretch of the imagination. It is ugly, plain and simple.
i'm sure that there are a lot of people who do appreciate this piece played like this. i thought this piece was about showcasing your techniques but i couldn't be more wrong, to me this performance was not at all enjoyable. musicians are entertainers, playing fast is extremely enjoyable to the performer, but it may not always be the best entertainment to the listeners.
Almost every vid I see of this piece on youtube is either too damn fast that it sounds like it's fast forward or it's too damn slow. I mean, he's a good pianist since he can play it so accurately at such a fast speed but the song sounds like crap when it's so fast imo.
Awful sound, but Alexander Melnikov is a genius. He was one of very few people that Richter took under his wing in the last years of his life, and listening to Melnikov's recent Rachmaninov and Scriabin recordings one can tell why.
sped up? Wow we have some people who didn't take basic sixth grade science. You know when you fast forward on a tape recorder it makes that squeaky sound? That's speeding it up and making the pitch higher. If the video were sped up, it would sound higher and be in a different key, which it's not.
The video is not sped up because the pitch is correct - if it were sped up it would be higher. Sounds like he has an important appointment he's late for.
Showmanship, but you can tell by the immediate applause at the end that at least it's thrilling showmanship. As for "fervent," I think all the honor belongs to the infallible Chopin in this regard...
Blah. Pointless showoff. If he didn't play at the edge of his ability, it would probably be a superb performance. This way, it's a Big Jumble Of Fast Notes.
Okay, I admit he can move his fingers pretty darn fast. But why?
Excellent perfomance, Its really great. I think the record is not professional and :) someone decided to make it late, But pianist himself is wonderful!!!
Yeah! Why is it starting in the middle of the piece?! Anyways, it might be nearly as fast as Richter, but nowhere as clean. I think he sacrificed technique for speed. Either that or the acoustics of the hall is just horrible for recording. Still rather impressive =)
This guy is playing like he has diarrhea and he has to go to the washroom really fast!
fartissimo 8 months ago
O O
PianoTHIS 11 months ago
@kdy0984 haha, if u think his fingers are soo damn good, check out cziffra
TripleRhu 1 year ago
It's more likely that this video isn't sped up and that the Richter's version is, because Richter is jumping around so much that you'd think that it would be sped up but this guy sits pretty much still. ( I hope this makes any sense:)
HjalmarGuitarMaster 1 year ago
it's not speed up !
TheNonopiano 1 year ago
the playing is nicely very fast, sound quality mediocre alas..
12345qazx1 1 year ago
Too too fast. A slightly slower tempo would have worked, but parts of it just were not clear and clean enough. But terrific technique none the less.
Grigor99 1 year ago
the reaction of the audience after this performance is cheap. they might have thought it was a rock concert
angramainiuu 1 year ago
早いだけで雑
johannesbrahms1897 1 year ago
これぞ(自分が好きな)クラシック！！
ピアニストがやれ云々戯言を抜かした、心で思っているホンネの音だ。
スカッとする演奏をありがとう！！
CEM3321 1 year ago
@fuchion15: what? You admit that some people might enjoy the speed, but then warn musicians not to play at that speed. So basically musicians should just play the way that -you- want them to, right?
Problem is that you don't understand the piece the same way Richter did (this is his interpretation). Until you are capable of comprehending Chopin to the extent he did, or until you can at least provide some kind of argument for your claims, don't butt in with your crap opinions.
fireb0rn 2 years ago
@fireb0rn "Problem is that you don't understand the piece the same way Richter did"
Who said Richter was an authority on how Chopin's supposed to be played?
He had his own interpretation and so do many other pianists. It doesn't mean that the others are "incapable of comprehending Chopin"
It's ok for people not to enjoy this interpretation. It has nothing to do with "comprehending Chopin" (whatever that's supposed to mean)
th3wing3dpaint3r 2 years ago
@th3wing3dpaint3r
I never said he was. I only said that Richter played the piece in the way he understood it, I.e. it was his interpretation. And since I doubt anyone here is even 1/100th the musician Richter was, I don't think anyone here has the right to wholly criticize his play. It's fine, of course, to not enjoy it, but to imply his play is "wrong" and "incapable of entertaining" is plain idiotic. I doubt you even read the comment I was responding to.
fireb0rn 1 year ago
@fireb0rn Actually, the person you replied to had CLEARLY stated that it was his/her own opinion. Which he/she has a right to. Besides, Richter was only human (i.e. Fallible).
And i find "comprehending Chopin" to be absolute nonsense because we've seen many legendary/ skilled pianists interpret Chopin in ways that were entirely different.
So unless you meant that it was YOUR understanding of Chopin's music, it's somewhat senseless.
th3wing3dpaint3r 1 year ago
@th3wing3dpaint3r
"playing fast is extremely enjoyable to the performer, but it may not always be the best entertainment to the listen"
That doesn't appear to be a statement of opinion to me. He is stating a "universal rule" of music, which he was clearly applying negatively to this video (unless you suppose his statement is completely irrelevant). It was this statement I was responding to, and I'm troubled to see you couldn't find it.
fireb0rn 1 year ago
@fireb0rn The commenter did say that this was his opinion. He said " to me..." and then he explained specifically why he didn't like the performance. I don't think anyone would be against the statement that "it may not always be the best entertainment to the listen" when a performer plays too fast.
And i had read the comment beforehand, i don't know why you'd assumed i hadn't.
th3wing3dpaint3r 1 year ago
@fireb0rn And i'm not sure it's accurate to call it "universal" since the commenter DID say "may not always be".
th3wing3dpaint3r 1 year ago
@th3wing3dpaint3r
And I still don't see how I'm wrong. Yes, there are many different interpretations of the music. Richter is responsible for this one. Horowitz, Cortot or Rubinstein may be responsible for others. We can trust that they comprehend Chopin to some extent because they are amazing pianists. I had never said Richter's comprehension of Chopin was complete, but certainly there is comprehension: to imply there isn't is ridiculous.
fireb0rn 1 year ago
@fireb0rn "We can trust that they comprehend Chopin to some extent because they are amazing pianists"
I don't see a correlation between being a good pianist and a good interpreter of music. Hamelin is a good example. He's a brilliant technician, but a lot of people don't think he's any good at interpreting music.
And i'm not denying that Richter played this beautifully, I'm just saying it's perfectly normal for people to think otherwise. They're just used to a different take on it.
th3wing3dpaint3r 1 year ago
@th3wing3dpaint3r
Musicians do not merely take a piece and play it however they please without a care for the messages of the composer. That is not an "interpretation" of a piece, it is simply a fabrication. I may say that 1984 wasn't a dystopian novel but a novel of freedom and happiness (as opposed to the opposite): but when I do, it ceases to be an interpretation, it is merely a fabrication on my part. Musicians must comprehend then form their interpretations. That is what I meant.
fireb0rn 1 year ago
@fireb0rn "Musicians must comprehend then form their interpretations" The fact is Musicians' comprehension of pieces differs vastly. And none are right/wrong. Your judgement of a piece mostly depends on what you're used to (or how you're used to hearing the message).
th3wing3dpaint3r 1 year ago
@th3wing3dpaint3r
Also I fail to see what is confusing about what I said, "comprehending Chopin." Besides that I find your post very confusing, as it seems you're accusing me of claiming that other people's interpretations are somehow invalid. Which I clearly did not say at all. In fact the person I was responding to was claiming this exactly, which is why I responded in the way I did.
fireb0rn 1 year ago
He's a great technician and a strong musician, but sometimes to slow down a bit makes everything more clear .
frank147h 2 years ago
Just curious,,, why wonderful man & human? Many great musicians are not sooo wonderful as person, too bad..
bramobali 2 years ago
This kind of mindless "virtuosity" is an insult to artists and listeners. This is not beautiful music by any stretch of the imagination. It is ugly, plain and simple.
trustiful 2 years ago
i'm sure that there are a lot of people who do appreciate this piece played like this. i thought this piece was about showcasing your techniques but i couldn't be more wrong, to me this performance was not at all enjoyable. musicians are entertainers, playing fast is extremely enjoyable to the performer, but it may not always be the best entertainment to the listeners.
fuchion15 2 years ago
Richter plays better in musical aspect
OlegGultayev 2 years ago 2
вот это темп.... шопен интересно сам так мог исполнить?
yudjine 2 years ago
this is absolutely too fast it sounds like nonsense
davidbaker03 2 years ago
I'm a huge fan of Melnikov. This is not his finest moment, but what the hell, why not give the folks a bit of wow factor?
edgeley8 3 years ago
Almost every vid I see of this piece on youtube is either too damn fast that it sounds like it's fast forward or it's too damn slow. I mean, he's a good pianist since he can play it so accurately at such a fast speed but the song sounds like crap when it's so fast imo.
smzig 3 years ago
クラシックのうざったい部分を払拭してくれたとてもすばらしい演奏ですね。
爽快、快活、明快な演奏方が私は好きです。
CEM3321 3 years ago
This speed is totally possible !
Lisitsa even plays faster !
bunnyoneedge 3 years ago
he's NOT faking! I've seen him play it that fast in a concert!
hiwidakiwi 3 years ago
its not not a fake, stop shittin.
this speed is so very possible and ive seen in my own eyes ppl playin at that speed.
shut up if u dunno what ur talkin about.
anyothernickistaken 3 years ago
Awful sound, but Alexander Melnikov is a genius. He was one of very few people that Richter took under his wing in the last years of his life, and listening to Melnikov's recent Rachmaninov and Scriabin recordings one can tell why.
nycanonymous 3 years ago
This is... SO fast. Slow down :)
chaussettegauche 3 years ago
bullshit - fake
listen to Richter's, Argerich's and Lisitsta's preformances of the same etude instead.
davit1982 3 years ago
doesn't look or sound fake to me; i've heard others play it that fast
pianojjab79 3 years ago
No se entiende nada
leocoral
leocoral 3 years ago
this speed up is possible using a plugin called "time/pitch stretch". anyway, the video is edited (see 0:54)
mars90125 3 years ago
Sound orri bull. Blurred & botched. Cheap flashy effect.
fartlestucks 3 years ago
Chopin's rolling over in his grave.
Ckorn123 3 years ago 10
SLOW
DOWN
!!!
murraytaylor123 4 years ago 3
sped up? Wow we have some people who didn't take basic sixth grade science. You know when you fast forward on a tape recorder it makes that squeaky sound? That's speeding it up and making the pitch higher. If the video were sped up, it would sound higher and be in a different key, which it's not.
fatalfuz 4 years ago
Today everyone can change the time, without change pitch (higher or lower) welcome to the digital world!
ClauGriggio 3 years ago 3
pointless and gross
eddtheduck83 4 years ago
Impressionnant, mais pas très beau, finalement...
Emlomor 4 years ago
The video is not sped up because the pitch is correct - if it were sped up it would be higher. Sounds like he has an important appointment he's late for.
But alas, the fans roared! :)
zolessi 4 years ago
sounds realy slpoppy! its nice played fast..but not that fast..wel maybe itd b better it it wasnt so messy..
KearneyPiano 4 years ago
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video's sped up.
i can tell by the camera movement. now if you would have had a tripod, no one would have been able to tell.
Nerris121 4 years ago
Video is not sped up. I wasnt recording the video, but I was there (Seoul Art Centre in KOREA.)
camael83 4 years ago
Too fast, we can't hear the melody, it'a a bit messy.
The technique is perfect on another hand.
TakeoJo 4 years ago
For an encore it's a perfect piece.
Why he shouldn't play it that fast if he's able to?The audition seems to like it.
parule 4 years ago
sorry.I meant the audience
parule 4 years ago
Showmanship, but you can tell by the immediate applause at the end that at least it's thrilling showmanship. As for "fervent," I think all the honor belongs to the infallible Chopin in this regard...
fadedgreyheaven 4 years ago
Blah. Pointless showoff. If he didn't play at the edge of his ability, it would probably be a superb performance. This way, it's a Big Jumble Of Fast Notes.
Okay, I admit he can move his fingers pretty darn fast. But why?
Sylverling 4 years ago 2
not as perfect as richter...
Ams271090 4 years ago
Excellent perfomance, Its really great. I think the record is not professional and :) someone decided to make it late, But pianist himself is wonderful!!!
Muzzfan 4 years ago
Yes....this piece was recoreded in the middle, maybe it is recorded personally by crude cell phone.
Though I think Richter's play is the best, but Alexander's play was very impressive to me, not just flying, but very emotional!
camael83 4 years ago
@camael83 well i find it to fast! richter´s tempo is accompanied with more than sheer notes, yet he is nice to hear as another approach
alejandrothefader 1 year ago
Yeah! Why is it starting in the middle of the piece?! Anyways, it might be nearly as fast as Richter, but nowhere as clean. I think he sacrificed technique for speed. Either that or the acoustics of the hall is just horrible for recording. Still rather impressive =)
pixelsage 4 years ago
Richter is still faster... This piece started in the middle, not in the beginning!
SkiddyBlade 4 years ago