There is nothing to use a 'loophole' for you fucking idiot-- the video footage clears me- past, present, & future and I cant wait to get my money & gloat as they die
I know MIB is supposed to be bad and Jacob is supposed to be good, but neither of them really seems just good or bad. They're both kind of evil in their own way and I feel more for MIB than anyone else. His mom was beat to death by a psychopath right after his birth and the only thing that was wrong with him was that he was intelligent enough to question things. All he wanted was to get off the island, which he would have been allowed to do if Jacob hadn't turned him into the smoke monster.
Jacob was killed twice. Once by his brother. The other by Ben.
jacobs brother does not have a name. Born second,his mothers last wish was to name him Jacob. Jacob came out first thus him earning the right to the name. The second born never earned a name.
It's too bad the series never fully explained the Island, Jacob, the MIB, etc.. Instead, they chose the easy way out by having everybody being already dead and wandering around in Purgatory. Much of the island's philosophy was never explained. I really felt ripped off after the Finale. Oh well. It was a good series -- the final season and Finale were big letdowns, though.
@fhood They weren't already dead!!! What happened on the island happened, that is why Ben, Miles and some of the Freighter people because events took place. Jesus how do you people miss the most importan things?
Purgatory? Omg -.- THEY WERE NOT DEAD GEEZ. How can you guys dont understand that? Besides it was the story of the flight 815 not the story of the island.
@fhood lol I can see that a lot of people have already corrected you on them not being dead.
If you want the answers to everything you posted above, plus the correction, that is; jacob, mib, the island, what's actually going on, you only require three episodes to do so -
Ab Aeterno (island)
Across the Sea (Jacob, MIB)
The End (what's going on - just to correct you on the massive mistake you made)
They were all very clearly answered, didn't even need interpretation.
The Island could have been a prison of some sort, holding in death with light/water. When Jacob sent MIB into the light cave, he dies and the smokey-thing takes his form to escape. All along, in all its perturbations, was taking memories of folks like Mr. Eko, Lock, et-al, to find those that could help it to achieve its goal and eliminate those that stood in its way. (continued).
The final season was just as unanswered, ambiguous,teasing as each and every show..even the ending..BIG DISAPPOINTMENT..TOTAL WASTE OF TV TIME..SHOW COULD HAVE BE SOO GREAT..BUT JUST TVed out as a gooberloo fantasy island ending
@Yeppr It was always a magic island. They said that in episode Season 1, Episode 5. The show wasn't unanswered. Most questions were answered. As for the rest, the show provides the pieces to the puzzles and it's the viewer's job to put them together. It's a show that doesn't dumb things down for the intellectually inept.
@mowingthefrontlawn Did you watch JimmyKimmelLive after the finale? Jimmy was going thru a plethora of theories and answers and Matthew Fox was just smiling and saying..'yep, sounds good..haha' at every one..there was never a clear answer for the show it was meant to be interpretted by the viewer as they liked. Countless flaws and contradicting possibilities..it's just a show that was meant to trick people into wandering what the island and the characters all meant.
@Yeppr I did see Kimmel, but didn't pay too close attention, so I might have to rewatch it. I won't disagree that Lost left a few things for us to think about, just like it has all along. I'd argue that it wasn't made to trick people or that it had or contradictions (if you have one in mind, feel free to enlighten me). I think the show, for some mysteries, has always provided pieces to the puzzle and allowed viewers to put them together. The problem was, not everyone was that good at it.
@andymc32 - it's been well established in "Across the sea" that they in fact do answer to a higher power, their mother, and even beyond her death (hence the need for the loophole).
Jacob=mib.. Meaning.. same person.. different expressions. MIB is just the Bad side of Jacob.. Could he be fighting himself? I had this theory pass thru my mind a few days ago..
do u guys even watch the show? locke already said hes the smoke monster . And the lady that was sent to the island 2 protect the candidates said that he has taken the body of locke and cant change any more. So duh the smoke monster is the bad guy and jacob is the good guy.
In the Jewish bible esauv send's his men to kill Jacob put Jacob gives the men every thing he has for his life and they let him go free so it can't be that story
The Man In Black is good and Jacob is evil. Jacob is the one who made a plane crash a brought death to a ton of people. And whenever Smokey kills someone, it will end up saving one of the candidates in the future.
@webmasterd he was the guy in millenium, he was in the millenium group, and gets kicked out in the end series, frank BLACK was the good guy in the millenium series, not Lockes character, i wonder if the obvious biblical references in the first half so far of the last season are just to obvious??
His name is Esau. In the bible Esau was the brother of jacob. I think lost also combines chirtsainity ideas with egiptian ideas, (the whole osirus, seth thing)
Jacob is higher up then the man i black. That is why the man in black can't kill him. He is governed by rules set probably by jacob. Jacob had to touch the people in order to have some sort of physical connection with then so that he could watch then through the lighthouse and ensure there arrival to the island
@Morcridx1 Yes but remember in the newest episode Ab Aeterno the man i black asked jacob to let him leave. The man in black can not leave unless jacob let's him. Therefor jacob must have authority over the man in black. If he didn't the man in black could freely leave the island.
Something obviously happened to this man #2 because he recognizes richard and jacob. He probaly got banished at the temple or something and some egyptian god shit turned him into the smoke monster.
Man 2 is samuel, he's the monster and want to kill jacob. in season 6 he muatate into a person who belongs to the island... i hope u know is meant by this
I can see why people assume MIB is smokey.. but think about it.. did he just spontaneously become the smoke monster in front of our eyes, or does he disappear from view before returning as smokey, and then disappearing before Unlocke returns.. i'm just saying.. if they wanted it obvious it would be.. i think they can still be seperate
we saw the moster like in every seasons...killing just some especific people right?
and now we presume that the moster/locke is the VERY enemie of Jacob? it doesnt make sense...we took 5 seasons to see Jacob, but the smoke appears every season, if he's the bad guy he should have killed every one on the island...
It's already been confirmed by the creators that the Man In Black is the same as the Man in Locke (i.e. Smokey).
Just like it's been CONFIRMED that Jacob is GOOD and the Man In Black is BAD (which is why it amazes me when people theorize the contrary).
ALSO, Smokey can't kill candidates, nor can he kill Jacob. this explains why he has to manipulate Ben to do it for him. Also, Ben "can't" kill widmore, Dogen "can't" kill Sayid (Jack has to give him the pill willingly).
It has never been specifically confirmed that jacob is good and the man is black is bad. we have just heard it from certain perspectives which, in the past have proven to be wrong.
@darkominem your theory is most likely the right one but its for hard vieuwers not so intresting to watch al the stupid episode untill the actually ends starts, btw season 5 last episode is actually the last episode of season 6 it will only end once the rest is just progress ( i mean bullshit )
@darkominem I'm not sure about that... They've been misleading us since the whole beginning... We all thought Jacob was that man in that cabin in the woods (While the real Jacob was hiding in the foot since the beginning) and then they just put too much emphasize on MIB=EVIL
My guess is, if MIB really was evil, things would've happen a way that would make us think he's not evil.
@darkominem Then there is no "twist" ? It seems to me it's been too obvious since the beginning that the smoke was "evil"... We didn't exactly know what it was, but it was evil anyway... But I guess we'll get some more answers with "across the sea"
"Why did [Jin, Sun, and Sayid] have to die? 'Because now you know this show is willing and capable of killing ANYONE.' And why is that so important? To ESTABLISH ONCE AND FOR ALL that the Locke-ness Monster (Terry O'Quinn) is the TRUE VILLAIN of season 6 and quite possibly all of Lost. 'THERE IS NO AMBIGUITY. He IS evil and he HAS TO be stopped.' — Lindleof & Cuse [Entertainment Weekly - Issue #1012]
@darkominem MIB only wants one thing : to leave the island. Jin, Sun and Sayid were candidates to replace Jacob. Remember that episode where Jacob said :
- I just wonder why [you tried to kill me] ?
- Because I want to leave. Just let me leave, Jacob.
- As long as I'm alive, you ain't going anywhere.
- Well now you know why I want to kill you... And I will, Jacob [...]
@Quartrez i just quoted the CREATORS of the show saying he IS evil and you're quoting a conversation that explains Jacob and MIB's goals (but not their intentions for those goals)?
unfortunately, i'm not quite sure why you chose to share this conversation.
thankfully though, this next episode is supposed to be giving us Jacob and MIB's backstory. then i guess we'll know unequivocally the intentions.
@darkominem Please give me the source of your quote :) It's not to verify it myself, it's mostly to see what else they got to say.
Anyway, I seriously hope this is wrong, 'cause I'm quite sick of those "good guy vs. bad guy" stories. Plus, it would mean that ultimately, the whole plot of Lost was predictable.
@Quartrez i'm too lazy to look up the original quote on their site,
BUT i did list the source of my quote (its the LATEST issue of Entertainment Weekly).
also, i wouldn't say that MIB being bad would make the WHOLE plot of Lost unpredictable. each character is complex, there's time travel, flash-forwards, flashbacks, flash-sideways, a backgammon game over people's lives, dead locke, fake locke, polar bears, ghosts, miracles, slave ships — i'd say Lost is ANYTHING but predictable.
That isn't true if you saw the episode across the sea , you see that The Man in Black is Jacob's Brother and that Jacob killed him, so Jacob is the bad guy and Mib the good. Whatever the smoke monster is we still don't know. But it's Jacob's fault why the smoke monster is on the island, he released it
To clear something up for you Smokey IS the mib, to explain as simply as i can MIB lost his body his physical self when he turned into the smoke monster, he simply can ''echo'' his physical image. Evidence for such is Smokey possesses all the knowledge of MIB & can't directly kill jacob (the rules set by their mother).
FURTHERMORE, you can't assume that Jacob is "the bad guy" just yet. The only safe thing to conclude as of right now, is that they're BOTH good, but Jacob's brother i noticeably smarter (not to mention "special").
Did Jacob overreact in attacking his brother? Definitely. But was his intent to kill? It didn't seem that way. What we do know is that MIB stabbed his island "mother" with the intent to kill. So claiming MIB is more "good" than Jacob seems a bit faulty.
Where as when ''echoing'' other forms ie locke etc he only knows his last thoughts & there is still a ''physical'' body (ie lockes dead body) still present. The only history Smokey knows of Locke is what he saw/picked up when manipulating Locke through various forms.
It also explains how Smokey can't be harmed when changing forms as he is merely ''echoing'' their appearence than being a physical body
He manipulated unwanting people to his own ends.The reason that he gave(because they all had something missing in their lives or they had empty lives) is a bad excuse and justification from a man that has a god complex. The fact that he even played it as a game with pawns shows some disregard for human lives. It was never proven that smokey would destroy the world either, Smokey was definately the more human and emotional one and Jacob was the monster. In my eyes at least.
@slayer66616 I blame the cryptic/delusional mother for the mess. Had she made everything clear about what she really knew there may have been less carnage.
Oh i definitely agree with this. Even if Jacob was kinda of emptiness and inhuman and Smokey became more ruthless because his need was always greater, it's the mother who was the real devil here. She pretty much messed up both kids and was evil right from the start. Of course i mean the mother that "took care" of them, not the biological mother.
What Smokey did seemed more desperate. He planned and tried many times yet failed, so every time he went with crazier and more desperate plans to the point that he didn't even care what he would do, only that he got out. It's much easier relate to that. Jacob never showed any emotion or care he never seemed human, even as a child he was little spooky and bland. It seemed that when Jacob killed his brother it was Jacob who died not his brother(metaphorically)
Actually, by now we already know that he's just a poor guy whose mother happen to have been killed by the previous not so good guardian of the island and that this same woman wanted to prevent him to leave the island at any cost (even when he wasn't turned into Smokey yet). At that time the only thing he wanted was just leave the island. And then he was turned into a monster by his own brother just because he killed the woman that killed his mother. So human.
02: if you're referring to my final statement (about them being unable to kill each other), you'll notice i put the word "can't" in quotes intentionally. when i posted this comment, the rules STILL applied.
03: however, if you're referring to my comments on MIB & Jacob, then you're basically stating that Lindleof & Cuse are wrong—since i was simply reiterating their statements.
@darkominem well just seen the video and smug is an understatement-- and by that I mean all video footage clears me- past, present, & future. All video footage clears me-- you cant produce video footage of events which do not occur & I have never explained anything because there is nothing to explain. God I cant wait to get my money & gloat as they die
My theory is that #2 is able to communicate with people in different dimensions, but not able to act (kill).
So he is not in the same itteration as Jacob. His task is to get to the same dimension as Jacob, so he can kill him.
Though #2 has always been in the same dimension as the losties (in the form of smokey). Jacob was the one who has been in the other dimension all the time.
Light & Dark came together at the end of the timeshift in Se5.. or they never did, so #2 used John and Ben to act
The statue is holding two Ankhs, or the Key of Life, jacob is the one who is being referred to as What lies in the shadow of the statue. the answer : "the one who will save us all" so this could be how jack, kate sawyer etc survive to the end of the show as they were touched by jacob.
for what i know, Locke wouldn't have survived the fall from the building if Jacob hadn't touched him (gave him life).this is clearly visible in the episode :)
I think it will sort of represent a little bit of a mixture of these theories. The Seth and Osiris & Isa and Jacob story are very similar, and similar to the Lost story-line. This show takes a lot from both Biblical stories and Egyptian stories. But who knows, this could only be a small piece to the puzzle.
I like the Egyptian theory the most. Seems most probable. I really do not think that the smoke monster and Jacobs nemesis are the same 'being'. I think the smoke monster is a tool of sorts that he uses.
I also like the point brought up about there being a higher power than these two men. It makes sense.
I don't think Jacobs Nemesis is the smoke monster at all. A nice bit of theory in that is every time the smoke monster portrays a deceased person, the body is gone. How ever John Lockes body isn't gone.. Though, I definitely feel Jacobs Nemesis is somehow in relation with the smoke monster and can possibly control it.
He can't be Magnus Hanso if the ship that MIB and Jacob were watching was indeed the Black Rock because Magnus Hanso would be on that ship piloting it towards it's crash since he was the captain.
he touched ben; said " it just needed a little push " wich makes the doc get his father fired ( and later on dead ) ben get's hiss dad & ends up on the plane
he touches kate so kate can't stop doin anybad stuff & get's on the plane with the marshall
lock would have already been dead if it wasn't for jacob reviving him after locke fell out of the window.
decided to change the fate of the future by influencing the characters on the show throughout the years by shape shifting in and out of characters and the black smoke and eventually influenced them to kill Jacob because for some reason he wasnt able to kill Jacob himself, so therefore that also hints that there is in some way an even higher being than them.
And much like this island Atlantis just one day disappeared . I think that maybe this whole show could be something as simple as these two beings/ gods / mytholigical men / lost souls ( Jacob and the myserious man ) , have been recruituing the characters on this island for a long time ( maybe to take over, or maybe to recivilize this island ), and metophorically the man number 2 ,
Opinion: I think this island is the lost island of Atlantis. If you do any kind of research of what Atlantis was believed to be like its described much like this island. It was known to have a civilization much smarter and more advanced in technology than any other, and it was said to have an Egyptian like presence , which would describe the large annubis like statues.
did you hear the recent revelation that jacobs nemesis is in fact an alternate version of richard alpert had he not been granted immortality. seriously look it up.
The significance of Jacob touching the survivors is easy, he touched them to influence them. If he could touch John Locke and bring him back to life and in the same sense influence him then this guy can do anything
Either there is more to who the MiB can mimic or there is something more to Walt.
Jacob is pretty much ruled out as appearing as Walt since Lindelof , when asked at Comic Con,if Jacob has appeared to any of the characters as another character, said no. My guess is that MiB can also mimic those who have left the island as well as the unburied dead.
this is my theory, he is the monster, he is locke (after his death), he is jack's dead father, but i dont have any thoeries why he wants to kill jacob
My theorie about why man#2 wants to kill Jacob is about the Numbers, the numbers is a equation about the end of the world, the date when humans self-destruct.
Jacob wants to save human but the only way there is to guide humans to help themselves, so he has faith in humans and man# 2 is not.
That's the conflict. the conflict of Jacob and Man #2 is like the conflict of Jack and Locke.
According to Man2, mainkind is dangerous for The Creation and itself. He represents the pessimistic side, "desHumanism" while Jacob represents this Humanist thought that consists to believe in mainkind progress at every level.
( Science, Philosophy, Moral, Art, Creation). No good or Evil side here, just two spirits illustrating in human souls and history.
If I absolutely had to guess both their full names. I would say the Jacob guy is actually a grown up Aaron and the black haired guy is someone like Magnus Hanso. We know he was buried near the black rock so it would make sense story-wise kind of. Dunno.
My favorite thing would be if the MIB turned out to be Walt grown up inhabiting that body like he did with Locke in 2007. That would be epic, grown up Walt versus grown up Aaron...Special indeed.
Let's see Jacob and this man outline part of the reason why the passengers crashed on the island John Locke is the focal character to this event. However, what does the other survivors time traveling have to do with it. Let us know.
i rekon man number 2 could somehow be aaron you no, coz that psyhcic bloke said that if aaron was raised by anyone but claire bad things would happen or something, and he hasnt been raised by claire as far as we no and man number 2 dnt look like the friendlyest of people now does he?
claire is coming back in season 6 so its not to late to raise aaron, the only reason aaron is so important its because he is the treu native of the island.
I liked the egyptian theory best. There are too many egyptian artifacts involved for the egyptian allusion to come into play. I think its pretty obvious that Richard was on the black rock. Alvar hanzo has to come into play somehow too. Lets not foret that Richard said he watched jack and company die
well, my theory was in this video. cool. and since you guys dont know the name of man #2, but you think he is the human form of the smoke monster, wouldn't his name be cerberus?
Not necessarily, we know that Dharma referred to it as Cerberus (swan hatch, cerberus system, cerberus vents) but is that only a Dharma reference?
Also, cerberus was 3 headed, so if is Smokie is cerberus, it may have 3 diff parts or be 3 entities.(the MiB used the word "we" in the scene with Jacob) But if smokie is controlled by the MiB then that changes everything.
Personally I think MiB is assuming the forms of everyone seen that should be gone or dead in dreams or otherwise.
I believe he's on the good side. The writers want to turn us into the wrong direction thinking Jacob is the great one. Jacob & Richard a brothers, Jacob kills everyone on the island sparing Richards life to become servant-Aj wants to rule the island but can't unless he makes a war.
Another mythology reference overlooked: Horus vs. Seth (or Set).
Btw, one of Seth's many wives was Tawaret, the goddess who the statue at the beach supposedly represents. Seth hated Osiris and Horus and fought them for control and was able to kill Osiris.Tho Seth was also killed but returned as a giant snake. (like the jagged snake drawing on the walls beneath the temple?)
the smoke monster takes peoples figures and bodys all the time... so it is probably lock.... and everybody seems to be talking about a war... its prob the smoke monster vs jacob or whatever
lol it would be more shocking if they didnt answer alot of questuions for example who is jacob and the man in black and the smoke monster whispers time travel very large box ghosts bla bla bla temple powers and so on
I'm glad this is going to be that lat season of this show. I'm tired of trying to figure out what is going on. I'm just gonna sit back, wait, and let the answers come to me. I've heard so many theories and each one of them is completely plausible, but the writers of the show had this all planned out after the first week, so it can't be as complicated as we're making it. However it ends, it's gonna be shocking. It better not have anything to do with Rembaldi... I'd be pissed...
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egdqv13234 6 months ago
one more thing: Tabitha & my relatives death will be orgasmic for me- multiple orgasms and I cant wait.
belziebub 7 months ago
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belziebub 7 months ago
There is nothing to use a 'loophole' for you fucking idiot-- the video footage clears me- past, present, & future and I cant wait to get my money & gloat as they die
belziebub 8 months ago
I know MIB is supposed to be bad and Jacob is supposed to be good, but neither of them really seems just good or bad. They're both kind of evil in their own way and I feel more for MIB than anyone else. His mom was beat to death by a psychopath right after his birth and the only thing that was wrong with him was that he was intelligent enough to question things. All he wanted was to get off the island, which he would have been allowed to do if Jacob hadn't turned him into the smoke monster.
FuckItSnoopy 1 year ago
its just quite simple jacob is the Good in person and the man in black is the Evil in person, that makes sense,doesn`t it?
deansgirl333 1 year ago
Titus and the blond dude came outta nowhere TvLand obscurity..Great actors
Yeppr 1 year ago
Jacob was killed twice. Once by his brother. The other by Ben.
jacobs brother does not have a name. Born second,his mothers last wish was to name him Jacob. Jacob came out first thus him earning the right to the name. The second born never earned a name.
KarliKawaii 1 year ago
I know the name and i know the importance of it - yeah as if it mattered in the end
AntonGorodetsky 1 year ago
It's too bad the series never fully explained the Island, Jacob, the MIB, etc.. Instead, they chose the easy way out by having everybody being already dead and wandering around in Purgatory. Much of the island's philosophy was never explained. I really felt ripped off after the Finale. Oh well. It was a good series -- the final season and Finale were big letdowns, though.
fhood 1 year ago
@fhood They weren't already dead!!! What happened on the island happened, that is why Ben, Miles and some of the Freighter people because events took place. Jesus how do you people miss the most importan things?
martinrobo123 1 year ago
@fhood
Purgatory? Omg -.- THEY WERE NOT DEAD GEEZ. How can you guys dont understand that? Besides it was the story of the flight 815 not the story of the island.
WakkaOwnages 1 year ago
@fhood i actually thought the last season was the only good season
Dycelot 1 year ago
@fhood lol I can see that a lot of people have already corrected you on them not being dead.
If you want the answers to everything you posted above, plus the correction, that is; jacob, mib, the island, what's actually going on, you only require three episodes to do so -
Ab Aeterno (island)
Across the Sea (Jacob, MIB)
The End (what's going on - just to correct you on the massive mistake you made)
They were all very clearly answered, didn't even need interpretation.
Damon242 1 year ago
Wrong, he doesn't have a name.
kokobonk 1 year ago
the man in black is HOT !
saudibint 1 year ago
@saudibint : omg true! I thought I was the only one to find him hot
Jemma19 1 year ago
SO:
The Island could have been a prison of some sort, holding in death with light/water. When Jacob sent MIB into the light cave, he dies and the smokey-thing takes his form to escape. All along, in all its perturbations, was taking memories of folks like Mr. Eko, Lock, et-al, to find those that could help it to achieve its goal and eliminate those that stood in its way. (continued).
karmasoul68 1 year ago
So was the MIB & Jacobs mother a smoke monster herself?
I ask this because how did she rough up MIB in the "donkey-wheel cave" then proceed to kill all MIB's people and destroy their small village?
All by herself?
karmasoul68 1 year ago
@karmasoul68 She wasn't another smoke monster, no. She did have some kind of power, though, like Jacob.
mowingthefrontlawn 1 year ago
The final season was just as unanswered, ambiguous,teasing as each and every show..even the ending..BIG DISAPPOINTMENT..TOTAL WASTE OF TV TIME..SHOW COULD HAVE BE SOO GREAT..BUT JUST TVed out as a gooberloo fantasy island ending
Yeppr 1 year ago
@Yeppr It was always a magic island. They said that in episode Season 1, Episode 5. The show wasn't unanswered. Most questions were answered. As for the rest, the show provides the pieces to the puzzles and it's the viewer's job to put them together. It's a show that doesn't dumb things down for the intellectually inept.
mowingthefrontlawn 1 year ago
@mowingthefrontlawn Did you watch JimmyKimmelLive after the finale? Jimmy was going thru a plethora of theories and answers and Matthew Fox was just smiling and saying..'yep, sounds good..haha' at every one..there was never a clear answer for the show it was meant to be interpretted by the viewer as they liked. Countless flaws and contradicting possibilities..it's just a show that was meant to trick people into wandering what the island and the characters all meant.
Yeppr 1 year ago
@Yeppr I did see Kimmel, but didn't pay too close attention, so I might have to rewatch it. I won't disagree that Lost left a few things for us to think about, just like it has all along. I'd argue that it wasn't made to trick people or that it had or contradictions (if you have one in mind, feel free to enlighten me). I think the show, for some mysteries, has always provided pieces to the puzzle and allowed viewers to put them together. The problem was, not everyone was that good at it.
mowingthefrontlawn 1 year ago
@Yeppr ...your big piece of evidence is Jimmy Kimmel? You're not meant to take what he says seriously. That's the entire point of Jimmy Kimmel.
Damon242 1 year ago
Good point and the reason why they can't kill each other. I still feel feel there are alot of questions that really should have been answered.
andymc32 1 year ago
@andymc32 Like what?
mowingthefrontlawn 1 year ago
None of this ties up in the Final season. MIB has no name, and neither Jacob nor he answer to a higher power.
andymc32 1 year ago
@andymc32 - it's been well established in "Across the sea" that they in fact do answer to a higher power, their mother, and even beyond her death (hence the need for the loophole).
hespora 1 year ago
They got me so interested in Jacob and MIB that I now think that all these other characters (aka candidates) are too much :p
Quartrez 1 year ago
people are stuck on theorizing about the mib/jacob good bad thing because they're so used to lost producers swerving them
but yeah, mib = evil, jacob = good and that will become clear as ever after next tuesday
MMAFIGHTSHOPVIDEOS 1 year ago
Jacob=mib.. Meaning.. same person.. different expressions. MIB is just the Bad side of Jacob.. Could he be fighting himself? I had this theory pass thru my mind a few days ago..
robinsings 1 year ago
fan theories are so much more creative than what the actual show has sometimes.
avenger1000 1 year ago 4
do u guys even watch the show? locke already said hes the smoke monster . And the lady that was sent to the island 2 protect the candidates said that he has taken the body of locke and cant change any more. So duh the smoke monster is the bad guy and jacob is the good guy.
09BlackJesus 1 year ago
In the Jewish bible esauv send's his men to kill Jacob put Jacob gives the men every thing he has for his life and they let him go free so it can't be that story
Gaby5770 1 year ago
The Man In Black is good and Jacob is evil. Jacob is the one who made a plane crash a brought death to a ton of people. And whenever Smokey kills someone, it will end up saving one of the candidates in the future.
MissileGluePictures 1 year ago
What else tv shows or movies has the actor who plays the MIB been in. He sure looks familiar!
webmasterd 1 year ago
@webmasterd he was the guy in millenium, he was in the millenium group, and gets kicked out in the end series, frank BLACK was the good guy in the millenium series, not Lockes character, i wonder if the obvious biblical references in the first half so far of the last season are just to obvious??
boazandjiacinth 1 year ago
His name is Jose
masondarko 1 year ago
can anyone spell correctly?
hangsambo12 1 year ago
His name is Esau. In the bible Esau was the brother of jacob. I think lost also combines chirtsainity ideas with egiptian ideas, (the whole osirus, seth thing)
LeRoseBassist13 1 year ago
JJ Abrams stated the man in black is Set where Jacob is tawret. Read your mythology buddy
Wolfendale69 1 year ago
Jacob is higher up then the man i black. That is why the man in black can't kill him. He is governed by rules set probably by jacob. Jacob had to touch the people in order to have some sort of physical connection with then so that he could watch then through the lighthouse and ensure there arrival to the island
LEGnewTube 2 years ago
sorry legnewtube that's not true, because Light and Dark holds weight in this movie.
remeber the rocks on a balance scale?
Jacob in white and the other man in dark...
Jacob can't be a "higher up" than the other man. They can't kill each other, both on equal playing ground.
Morcridx1 1 year ago
@Morcridx1 Yes but remember in the newest episode Ab Aeterno the man i black asked jacob to let him leave. The man in black can not leave unless jacob let's him. Therefor jacob must have authority over the man in black. If he didn't the man in black could freely leave the island.
LEGnewTube 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
wish they would get rid of this silly fagboy and get a real man to host this show
pockmarkedbuttocks 2 years ago
Something obviously happened to this man #2 because he recognizes richard and jacob. He probaly got banished at the temple or something and some egyptian god shit turned him into the smoke monster.
FLIMFLAMification 2 years ago
ManNtwo is the smoke and LOCK, it took his body, like a repossession and jacob has taken the body of SAID. that's my theory...
gndesign 2 years ago
@gndesign nice , i think you may have something there, but what about the light haired kid that turns up?
tealeafsen 1 year ago
man 2 is the good guy, jacob is the bad guy, hes gonna come back in sayids body. maybe?
SharkyRoll 2 years ago
nope wrong.
Man 2 is samuel, he's the monster and want to kill jacob. in season 6 he muatate into a person who belongs to the island... i hope u know is meant by this
Smocky05 2 years ago
I can see why people assume MIB is smokey.. but think about it.. did he just spontaneously become the smoke monster in front of our eyes, or does he disappear from view before returning as smokey, and then disappearing before Unlocke returns.. i'm just saying.. if they wanted it obvious it would be.. i think they can still be seperate
FLPman 2 years ago
they are not separate.. thats why he told Ben: Im sorry you had to see me like that
Alexmg123 2 years ago
@Alexmg123
Which also happens to be one of the best lines ever ;)
brainwashedmasses 2 years ago
@FLPman no pretty much confirmed he is the smoke monster
dont need to make something more complex then it is
Maplesyrup41 2 years ago
@FLPman
no but the fact that he said to jacob ''do you know how much i want to kill you?....someday i'll find a way''
few odd years later jacob locke & ben are in a temple & jacob says to him ''so you found your loophole'' (roughly)
& then he said to Ben after killing people in smoke form ''i'm sorry you had to see me like that''
so unless the man in black is somebody altogether, the person posing in Lockes form is DEFINITELY the smoke monster
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
nice point
cobf22 2 years ago
yes, i think smokey/locke is not MAN 2...
the type of dialog that man 2 and Jacob have on the beach in the 5th season is diferent that they had in locke's body dont u think?
like, on the beach they are enemies, but they speak calm...now in the locks body he's more agressive...i think they're two diferent people
gustavojdc 2 years ago
(cont)
guys see:
we saw the moster like in every seasons...killing just some especific people right?
and now we presume that the moster/locke is the VERY enemie of Jacob? it doesnt make sense...we took 5 seasons to see Jacob, but the smoke appears every season, if he's the bad guy he should have killed every one on the island...
they have to be two different guys!
gustavojdc 2 years ago
It's already been confirmed by the creators that the Man In Black is the same as the Man in Locke (i.e. Smokey).
Just like it's been CONFIRMED that Jacob is GOOD and the Man In Black is BAD (which is why it amazes me when people theorize the contrary).
ALSO, Smokey can't kill candidates, nor can he kill Jacob. this explains why he has to manipulate Ben to do it for him. Also, Ben "can't" kill widmore, Dogen "can't" kill Sayid (Jack has to give him the pill willingly).
darkominem 2 years ago 9
It has never been specifically confirmed that jacob is good and the man is black is bad. we have just heard it from certain perspectives which, in the past have proven to be wrong.
gooboberti 2 years ago
@darkominem your theory is most likely the right one but its for hard vieuwers not so intresting to watch al the stupid episode untill the actually ends starts, btw season 5 last episode is actually the last episode of season 6 it will only end once the rest is just progress ( i mean bullshit )
Davidmonser 1 year ago
@darkominem I'm not sure about that... They've been misleading us since the whole beginning... We all thought Jacob was that man in that cabin in the woods (While the real Jacob was hiding in the foot since the beginning) and then they just put too much emphasize on MIB=EVIL
My guess is, if MIB really was evil, things would've happen a way that would make us think he's not evil.
Quartrez 1 year ago
@Quartrez
like i already said, they CONFIRMED it almost a year ago that MIB was evil.
and if THAT wasn't enough, they CONFIRMED it again on their website that this past episode was MEANT TO SOLIDIFY THAT HE WAS EVIL.
stop looking so hard for a "twist." the twist is there IS no twist. he IS evil.
darkominem 1 year ago
@darkominem Then there is no "twist" ? It seems to me it's been too obvious since the beginning that the smoke was "evil"... We didn't exactly know what it was, but it was evil anyway... But I guess we'll get some more answers with "across the sea"
Quartrez 1 year ago
"Why did [Jin, Sun, and Sayid] have to die? 'Because now you know this show is willing and capable of killing ANYONE.' And why is that so important? To ESTABLISH ONCE AND FOR ALL that the Locke-ness Monster (Terry O'Quinn) is the TRUE VILLAIN of season 6 and quite possibly all of Lost. 'THERE IS NO AMBIGUITY. He IS evil and he HAS TO be stopped.' — Lindleof & Cuse [Entertainment Weekly - Issue #1012]
darkominem 1 year ago
@darkominem MIB only wants one thing : to leave the island. Jin, Sun and Sayid were candidates to replace Jacob. Remember that episode where Jacob said :
- I just wonder why [you tried to kill me] ?
- Because I want to leave. Just let me leave, Jacob.
- As long as I'm alive, you ain't going anywhere.
- Well now you know why I want to kill you... And I will, Jacob [...]
- If you do, somebody else's gonna take my place.
- Well, then I'll kill them too.
There you go.
Quartrez 1 year ago
@Quartrez i just quoted the CREATORS of the show saying he IS evil and you're quoting a conversation that explains Jacob and MIB's goals (but not their intentions for those goals)?
unfortunately, i'm not quite sure why you chose to share this conversation.
thankfully though, this next episode is supposed to be giving us Jacob and MIB's backstory. then i guess we'll know unequivocally the intentions.
darkominem 1 year ago
@darkominem Please give me the source of your quote :) It's not to verify it myself, it's mostly to see what else they got to say.
Anyway, I seriously hope this is wrong, 'cause I'm quite sick of those "good guy vs. bad guy" stories. Plus, it would mean that ultimately, the whole plot of Lost was predictable.
Quartrez 1 year ago
@Quartrez i'm too lazy to look up the original quote on their site,
BUT i did list the source of my quote (its the LATEST issue of Entertainment Weekly).
also, i wouldn't say that MIB being bad would make the WHOLE plot of Lost unpredictable. each character is complex, there's time travel, flash-forwards, flashbacks, flash-sideways, a backgammon game over people's lives, dead locke, fake locke, polar bears, ghosts, miracles, slave ships — i'd say Lost is ANYTHING but predictable.
darkominem 1 year ago
@darkominem
That isn't true if you saw the episode across the sea , you see that The Man in Black is Jacob's Brother and that Jacob killed him, so Jacob is the bad guy and Mib the good. Whatever the smoke monster is we still don't know. But it's Jacob's fault why the smoke monster is on the island, he released it
nicholasvanheester 1 year ago
@nicholasvanheester
Whoa, whoa. Slow down.
Don't base everything on that ONE episode. First off, Jacob's brother does appear to be good. But that doesn't mean the SMOKE MONSTER isn't evil.
Given the Adam & Eve burial, it appears that Smokey's been using the form of Jacob's brother this whole time.
So the MIB we've known thus far (as Smokey) is STILL evil (and like I've said, this has already been CONFIRMED by Lost's creators).
darkominem 1 year ago
@darkominem
To clear something up for you Smokey IS the mib, to explain as simply as i can MIB lost his body his physical self when he turned into the smoke monster, he simply can ''echo'' his physical image. Evidence for such is Smokey possesses all the knowledge of MIB & can't directly kill jacob (the rules set by their mother).
tvrulesnation 1 year ago
@nicholasvanheester
FURTHERMORE, you can't assume that Jacob is "the bad guy" just yet. The only safe thing to conclude as of right now, is that they're BOTH good, but Jacob's brother i noticeably smarter (not to mention "special").
Did Jacob overreact in attacking his brother? Definitely. But was his intent to kill? It didn't seem that way. What we do know is that MIB stabbed his island "mother" with the intent to kill. So claiming MIB is more "good" than Jacob seems a bit faulty.
darkominem 1 year ago
@darkominem
Where as when ''echoing'' other forms ie locke etc he only knows his last thoughts & there is still a ''physical'' body (ie lockes dead body) still present. The only history Smokey knows of Locke is what he saw/picked up when manipulating Locke through various forms.
It also explains how Smokey can't be harmed when changing forms as he is merely ''echoing'' their appearence than being a physical body
tvrulesnation 1 year ago
@darkominem
Well obviosly those then CONFIRMED theories seemed to be utter bull... Jacob was the evil one in my eyes.
slayer66616 1 year ago
@slayer66616 How was he evil?
mowingthefrontlawn 1 year ago
@mowingthefrontlawn
He manipulated unwanting people to his own ends.The reason that he gave(because they all had something missing in their lives or they had empty lives) is a bad excuse and justification from a man that has a god complex. The fact that he even played it as a game with pawns shows some disregard for human lives. It was never proven that smokey would destroy the world either, Smokey was definately the more human and emotional one and Jacob was the monster. In my eyes at least.
slayer66616 1 year ago
@slayer66616 I blame the cryptic/delusional mother for the mess. Had she made everything clear about what she really knew there may have been less carnage.
karmasoul68 1 year ago
@karmasoul68
Oh i definitely agree with this. Even if Jacob was kinda of emptiness and inhuman and Smokey became more ruthless because his need was always greater, it's the mother who was the real devil here. She pretty much messed up both kids and was evil right from the start. Of course i mean the mother that "took care" of them, not the biological mother.
slayer66616 1 year ago
@mowingthefrontlawn
What Smokey did seemed more desperate. He planned and tried many times yet failed, so every time he went with crazier and more desperate plans to the point that he didn't even care what he would do, only that he got out. It's much easier relate to that. Jacob never showed any emotion or care he never seemed human, even as a child he was little spooky and bland. It seemed that when Jacob killed his brother it was Jacob who died not his brother(metaphorically)
slayer66616 1 year ago
@darkominem
Actually, by now we already know that he's just a poor guy whose mother happen to have been killed by the previous not so good guardian of the island and that this same woman wanted to prevent him to leave the island at any cost (even when he wasn't turned into Smokey yet). At that time the only thing he wanted was just leave the island. And then he was turned into a monster by his own brother just because he killed the woman that killed his mother. So human.
MOCoutinho 1 year ago
Jacob is not that good either.. he left Richard and Ben out.. keep them in the dark..
detheroc98 1 year ago
@darkominem WRONG ANSWER
belziebub 8 months ago
@belziebub
01: pretty smug of you to respond a YEAR later.
02: if you're referring to my final statement (about them being unable to kill each other), you'll notice i put the word "can't" in quotes intentionally. when i posted this comment, the rules STILL applied.
03: however, if you're referring to my comments on MIB & Jacob, then you're basically stating that Lindleof & Cuse are wrong—since i was simply reiterating their statements.
darkominem 8 months ago
@darkominem well just seen the video and smug is an understatement-- and by that I mean all video footage clears me- past, present, & future. All video footage clears me-- you cant produce video footage of events which do not occur & I have never explained anything because there is nothing to explain. God I cant wait to get my money & gloat as they die
belziebub 8 months ago
your wrong it is the guy from beach..jacob even said so you finnaly found your loophole
anilraj420 2 years ago
My theory is that #2 is able to communicate with people in different dimensions, but not able to act (kill).
So he is not in the same itteration as Jacob. His task is to get to the same dimension as Jacob, so he can kill him.
Though #2 has always been in the same dimension as the losties (in the form of smokey). Jacob was the one who has been in the other dimension all the time.
Light & Dark came together at the end of the timeshift in Se5.. or they never did, so #2 used John and Ben to act
Smiiley24 2 years ago
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Smiiley24 2 years ago
The statue is holding two Ankhs, or the Key of Life, jacob is the one who is being referred to as What lies in the shadow of the statue. the answer : "the one who will save us all" so this could be how jack, kate sawyer etc survive to the end of the show as they were touched by jacob.
Just my opinion, i realize its rpobably not right
ClutchFR4G 2 years ago
He touched Sayid AFTER the 815 crash...
justin7560 2 years ago
but he touched them before the other events that happen in season 5
ClutchFR4G 2 years ago
lol walt is jacob. thats great.
nym5cb 2 years ago
for what i know, Locke wouldn't have survived the fall from the building if Jacob hadn't touched him (gave him life).this is clearly visible in the episode :)
nastik1987 2 years ago
never woulda guessed carltons voice.
dylanleonard 2 years ago
I think it will sort of represent a little bit of a mixture of these theories. The Seth and Osiris & Isa and Jacob story are very similar, and similar to the Lost story-line. This show takes a lot from both Biblical stories and Egyptian stories. But who knows, this could only be a small piece to the puzzle.
TheGoldenProject 2 years ago
I like the Egyptian theory the most. Seems most probable. I really do not think that the smoke monster and Jacobs nemesis are the same 'being'. I think the smoke monster is a tool of sorts that he uses.
I also like the point brought up about there being a higher power than these two men. It makes sense.
dasfx 2 years ago
I don't think Jacobs Nemesis is the smoke monster at all. A nice bit of theory in that is every time the smoke monster portrays a deceased person, the body is gone. How ever John Lockes body isn't gone.. Though, I definitely feel Jacobs Nemesis is somehow in relation with the smoke monster and can possibly control it.
DarkLordKoji 2 years ago
@DarkLordKoji lol so wrong haha
primo6711 2 years ago
Wrong
matdevil01 2 years ago
lol right
bemjamin 2 years ago
Jacob and MIB are gay lovers. Ben was their bastard chid. Ha.
sinkryap 2 years ago
@AwesomePictures
He can't be Magnus Hanso if the ship that MIB and Jacob were watching was indeed the Black Rock because Magnus Hanso would be on that ship piloting it towards it's crash since he was the captain.
tittyslapper7 2 years ago 2
man no2 was the guy in the cabin in series 3?
neilam6 2 years ago
I think so
Thewarrior26 2 years ago
he touched them so he changed their future.
he touched ben; said " it just needed a little push " wich makes the doc get his father fired ( and later on dead ) ben get's hiss dad & ends up on the plane
he touches kate so kate can't stop doin anybad stuff & get's on the plane with the marshall
lock would have already been dead if it wasn't for jacob reviving him after locke fell out of the window.
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tokkepoes 2 years ago
decided to change the fate of the future by influencing the characters on the show throughout the years by shape shifting in and out of characters and the black smoke and eventually influenced them to kill Jacob because for some reason he wasnt able to kill Jacob himself, so therefore that also hints that there is in some way an even higher being than them.
mbudhillmbudhill 2 years ago
@mbudhillmbudhill the mother the man in black said he had a nut job for a mother to claire i think.......
tealeafsen 1 year ago
And much like this island Atlantis just one day disappeared . I think that maybe this whole show could be something as simple as these two beings/ gods / mytholigical men / lost souls ( Jacob and the myserious man ) , have been recruituing the characters on this island for a long time ( maybe to take over, or maybe to recivilize this island ), and metophorically the man number 2 ,
mbudhillmbudhill 2 years ago
Opinion: I think this island is the lost island of Atlantis. If you do any kind of research of what Atlantis was believed to be like its described much like this island. It was known to have a civilization much smarter and more advanced in technology than any other, and it was said to have an Egyptian like presence , which would describe the large annubis like statues.
mbudhillmbudhill 2 years ago
the smoke monster is the MIB. source darkUFO
DL551 2 years ago
did you hear the recent revelation that jacobs nemesis is in fact an alternate version of richard alpert had he not been granted immortality. seriously look it up.
benyblancofrmthabrnx 2 years ago
where, could you give a link, or give a source, is it a theory, or something revealed?
kokopelli121123 2 years ago
its actually just a lie idiot.
benyblancofrmthabrnx 2 years ago
i think that hes magnus hanso.
AwesomePictures 2 years ago 2
Gimme a thumbs up if your bored of these dam Teken adverts :p
heald111111111111111 2 years ago
The significance of Jacob touching the survivors is easy, he touched them to influence them. If he could touch John Locke and bring him back to life and in the same sense influence him then this guy can do anything
jacks1bonnielass 2 years ago
I think the whole shit is just a cocktail of different religions and mythology stuff?!
Like the beginning of last episode Jacob says it takes time to make one of the threads? Threads of faith? Like the Norns in norse mythology?
stonecoldanders 2 years ago
Either there is more to who the MiB can mimic or there is something more to Walt.
Jacob is pretty much ruled out as appearing as Walt since Lindelof , when asked at Comic Con,if Jacob has appeared to any of the characters as another character, said no. My guess is that MiB can also mimic those who have left the island as well as the unburied dead.
rpgfantatic 2 years ago
jacob and man #2 are adam and eve, the skeletons from the cave!
you heard it here 1st... probably
Quanny7 2 years ago
two men are a man and a woman?
that does nt make any sense!
bazza8 2 years ago 3
yet an island that can move with an ageless man and time travel does????
lol
dont remember the episode but how doe we know its a woman?
Quanny7 2 years ago
think jack said one was man and the orther a woman!
then someone else said they are like adam n eve!
cud be anyone tho in lost!!
bazza8 2 years ago 2
arent they rose and bernard?
Simbadwashere90 2 years ago
The "others" couldn't have kids on the island because the radiation from the hydrogen bomb. Right?
tetchcyn 2 years ago
good one!!!!!!!!
nawafmm 2 years ago
no no-one ever said that
Thewarrior26 2 years ago
SPOILER ALERT!!!
***** gives ***** to ***** ...but off island this time!! She is driven in a taxi to hospital that has been hijacked by none other than ****!!!
TheHeuristicIslander 2 years ago
the man in black IS the smoke monster
cocainesnooter 2 years ago 3
this is my theory, he is the monster, he is locke (after his death), he is jack's dead father, but i dont have any thoeries why he wants to kill jacob
LostMomentsandClues 2 years ago
My theorie about why man#2 wants to kill Jacob is about the Numbers, the numbers is a equation about the end of the world, the date when humans self-destruct.
Jacob wants to save human but the only way there is to guide humans to help themselves, so he has faith in humans and man# 2 is not.
That's the conflict. the conflict of Jacob and Man #2 is like the conflict of Jack and Locke.
AdrianFarenheights99 2 years ago 3
According to Man2, mainkind is dangerous for The Creation and itself. He represents the pessimistic side, "desHumanism" while Jacob represents this Humanist thought that consists to believe in mainkind progress at every level.
( Science, Philosophy, Moral, Art, Creation). No good or Evil side here, just two spirits illustrating in human souls and history.
Manzeron 2 years ago
no shit
tylerp76 2 years ago
If I absolutely had to guess both their full names. I would say the Jacob guy is actually a grown up Aaron and the black haired guy is someone like Magnus Hanso. We know he was buried near the black rock so it would make sense story-wise kind of. Dunno.
My favorite thing would be if the MIB turned out to be Walt grown up inhabiting that body like he did with Locke in 2007. That would be epic, grown up Walt versus grown up Aaron...Special indeed.
thecolorunknown 2 years ago
Let's see Jacob and this man outline part of the reason why the passengers crashed on the island John Locke is the focal character to this event. However, what does the other survivors time traveling have to do with it. Let us know.
QuickPic2 2 years ago
LOL...Supernatural's Lucifer and War face to face. I love it.
BrookLynn74 2 years ago
i rekon man number 2 could somehow be aaron you no, coz that psyhcic bloke said that if aaron was raised by anyone but claire bad things would happen or something, and he hasnt been raised by claire as far as we no and man number 2 dnt look like the friendlyest of people now does he?
Nickibbz123 2 years ago
claire is coming back in season 6 so its not to late to raise aaron, the only reason aaron is so important its because he is the treu native of the island.
Venomonia 2 years ago 2
The island is real. Do you know that the prophet Muhammad told us of the supernatural Island LOST Island.
Check out the story on HotConflict
HotConflict 2 years ago
Another egyptian related fact that may be related to Jacob and MiB:
For egyptians (i don't know if this was in the past or if they still belive this) white means death and black means life
jorimassa 2 years ago
I liked the egyptian theory best. There are too many egyptian artifacts involved for the egyptian allusion to come into play. I think its pretty obvious that Richard was on the black rock. Alvar hanzo has to come into play somehow too. Lets not foret that Richard said he watched jack and company die
shlobs422 2 years ago
i think that if jacob's enemy is the black smoke monster, then jacob can be a white smoke monster.
chaveton2009 2 years ago 3
lol xD Disagreed.
cReepLeZz 2 years ago
jacob is locke
ilikemike987 2 years ago
i think that since ben linus as a kid was taken into the sacred temple, he became the one and only loophole to kill jacob
KosmoKramer911 2 years ago 2
well, my theory was in this video. cool. and since you guys dont know the name of man #2, but you think he is the human form of the smoke monster, wouldn't his name be cerberus?
jakeatollah 2 years ago
Not necessarily, we know that Dharma referred to it as Cerberus (swan hatch, cerberus system, cerberus vents) but is that only a Dharma reference?
Also, cerberus was 3 headed, so if is Smokie is cerberus, it may have 3 diff parts or be 3 entities.(the MiB used the word "we" in the scene with Jacob) But if smokie is controlled by the MiB then that changes everything.
Personally I think MiB is assuming the forms of everyone seen that should be gone or dead in dreams or otherwise.
rpgfantatic 2 years ago
I believe he's on the good side. The writers want to turn us into the wrong direction thinking Jacob is the great one. Jacob & Richard a brothers, Jacob kills everyone on the island sparing Richards life to become servant-Aj wants to rule the island but can't unless he makes a war.
charliiebabiie 2 years ago
?Man (im sayin Esau)=Black shirt, Black smoke monster.
Jacob=white shirt, possible white smoke monster (altered logo @ th end of season 5)
ccRHCP1 2 years ago
Another mythology reference overlooked: Horus vs. Seth (or Set).
Btw, one of Seth's many wives was Tawaret, the goddess who the statue at the beach supposedly represents. Seth hated Osiris and Horus and fought them for control and was able to kill Osiris.Tho Seth was also killed but returned as a giant snake. (like the jagged snake drawing on the walls beneath the temple?)
Just thought that was interesting.
rpgfantatic 2 years ago
The Man in Black does not look like that man, he does not have a face he's just a shapeshifter.
metsjets333 2 years ago
I think the Final Season will beguin in the Black Rock in XIX century!!!!!
And Jack, Kate, LaFleur, Hurley and Juliet will wake up on the ship!!!!! :0
luarionte 2 years ago 3
the smoke monster takes peoples figures and bodys all the time... so it is probably lock.... and everybody seems to be talking about a war... its prob the smoke monster vs jacob or whatever
donnny101 2 years ago
lol it would be more shocking if they didnt answer alot of questuions for example who is jacob and the man in black and the smoke monster whispers time travel very large box ghosts bla bla bla temple powers and so on
ixgw 2 years ago
I'm glad this is going to be that lat season of this show. I'm tired of trying to figure out what is going on. I'm just gonna sit back, wait, and let the answers come to me. I've heard so many theories and each one of them is completely plausible, but the writers of the show had this all planned out after the first week, so it can't be as complicated as we're making it. However it ends, it's gonna be shocking. It better not have anything to do with Rembaldi... I'd be pissed...
DudemanJBR 2 years ago 2
LMAO! But you know it ALWAYS has something to do with Rembaldi!
Sirethe 2 years ago