A Jewish gentleman says it straight

[EightAlek]

This is bullshit. Zionism and jews are the same thing. This is a typical smokescreen tactic from them. do not belive a single word from their mouths.

[Alxalifate]

In this Holy Month of Ramadan I hope Judaism will try and grasp the fact that Abraham was a Chaldean! Not a Jew and that Islam can and if you want it to,will-CHANGE your whole religious and spiritual outlook! Of course you would still be jews or Banu Israel,but this great faith with it's simplicity can open a world of happiness and enlightenment for you! Think about it.Abraham was accepted,Moses,Jacob,Ect! Even in London Jews foe jesus !Why not Jews for Mohammed? Eh? No Zion not all that land!

[GanEdenAustralia]

God enrich and strengthen Zionism.

[DavidL999]

Respect to this man, he is right!!

[CCLJunky]

His grandmother is right. The problems started when the AshkeNAZI's won the 2nd WW and established a HQ in Israel, from where they took Zionism to a whole new level.

[mathewjohn5174]

finally the truth from a good jew

[GanEdenAustralia]

@mathewjohn5174 "truth" LOL

[obviouslyFAKE2]

The growth of Haredi Judaism has been exploited by the zionists in order to further its expansion of settlements on Palestinian lands. Haredi families are usually very large in number, hence more room (more land) is needed for them to live.

It is also very convenient for the government to keep these highly orthodox people, not only separate from the more secular citizens, but also far away in the more inflammatory "outposts" of this subliminal, secret empire.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

The Haredi may refuse national service, however, I doubt very much that they'll refuse to fight if the progression and expansion of their communities is halted by any force, be it internal or external.

If only Neturei Karta held more rank in the Haredi hierarchy, things may become more balanced and fair.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

1 of the gr8est ironies of the modern era is that the commander and chief of the world's biggest exporter of violence and injustice has been awarded the Nobel "peace prize."

A nation which has vetoed over 50 UN resolutions regarding israel's human rights abuses and war crimes against the Palestinian peoples of Gaza and the West Bank, since the establishment of the state in '48.

Zionist money determines US policy and the Zionist agenda is for complete domination.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

"Free from desire, you realise the mystery.

caught in desire you see only the manifestations."

"Not-knowing is true knowledge.

Presuming to "know" is a disease.

First realise you are sick;

then you can move toward health."

(Lao Tsu - "Tao Te Ching")

[obviouslyFAKE2]

I think the point which is being missed here is that we "the human race" are just as much a part of nature as human nature is a part of us.

Nature is cruel and un-relentless and unfortunately, for the most part, so is "man."

To claim there is a creator "god" who sees and knows all is to negate the far more wondrous occurrence of existence having issued forth without conscious effort, purpose or plan.

[Freenetnow]

@obviouslyFAKE2 You actually find that far more wondrous?? No purpose, no plan? God created all and the created questioning the creator is normal - but His evidence is overwhelming to me. i'm sad for you. But take care.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

@Freenetnow Please elucidate on this issue of overwhelming evidence? All I see is a mechanism of subjugation, free from empirical substantiation, which preys on primeval anxieties and interpretations of an after-life to substantiate its own existence and ensure its domination of the corporeal body. To hold sway over death is to control life. To manipulate through the propaganda of ritual and spectacle is to control individual expression and ultimately - Free Will.

[TheMhdj]

Neturei Karta is speaking the truth about Zionism, religion is completely used by Liberals in "Israel" as

a tool to keep chaos & rule the ppl, the Western Media is ignoring deliberately this facts, serving the same goal as well.

[taywil64]

The West, to its shame, is complicit with Israel's illegal occupation of Palastine. And it funds it. Thankfully ordinary people boycott Israeli goods and to some extent Egypt's as the latter is a cats paw for Zionism. But the US is the major culprit in allowing the ghetto that is the occupied lands in the Middle East God's plan is for justice for all and an end too hate; Zionism per se is the opposite..

[connorbcfc1875]

What is zionism?

[Rhademanthus]

Zionism is the idea that there SHOULD exist a physical, man-made Jewish state. I would argue that ONLY the Messiah can create a Jewish state, and ONLY after the appearance of the Third Temple.

[goodysun]

My God, I want to shake that mans hand. Stout fellow and completely correct in every single syllable. Zionism is religeous nazism-there lays the tragic irony.

[jaws900]

well said mate. Now if only the thick dumb asses who are the ones with bombs on there cheat can figure it out we may have peace atlast.

[taywil64]

Belief is not a science, it is an answer to God's prayer. Many non-beliefers are better people than beliefers IMHO. But one must be open to God's message before one can respond to God's message. The Bible in not intended to be taken literally in everything, it had to address a primative society and explain complex issues. I believe in evolution. Belief in God is not about empirical measurements or tests. But put this way enough people believe in God to make it empirically evident.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Haven't you heard of brainwashing? Just because someone has been brainwashed to believe something doesn't make it "empirically evident."

That's why the fable about the "Tree of Knowledge" is so crucial to the concept of control.

"God" says, "Don't eat the fruit of that tree." It doesn't say why, just don't do it!

What does it turn out to be? A fruit of knowledge. They eat the fruit - acquire knowledge of shame and sin - get banished to fend for themselves.

A lovely metaphor for control.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

A lovely way to begin the domination of man through guilt and threat of damnation. Restrict the population's access to knowledge, then they are without the intellectual acumen to question the validity of your rules and laws and imposed beliefs. That's why education was restricted to the religious/ruling classes all though history.

That's why it has been denied or restricted on a socio-political level because too many highly educated people ask too many pertinent questions.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Anyway, this video is not about the validity of "God." It is about the tyranny of the Zionists and the ridiculous hypocrisy and hideous crimes and atrocities committed by Israel.

You either have a vested interest in keeping yourself and (maybe) others ignorant, or you really need to start looking outside this thing you've been brainwashed to believe.

Or would that be a sin to you?

[obviouslyFAKE2]

If that's the case then I'm afraid I can't help you. If not then let me direct you toward Philosophical Taoism - within the "Tao Te Ching" ("Book of the Way") you will find your freedom to be your own "God" and "Master." You will find the strength to accept that there is nothing after death, and that what you do here and now on Earth matters because it is your one and only chance.

[taywil64]

God simply said to Adam "Do not eat the apple." In all other matters man had dominion over the earth and its riches. Man was made in God's image and given a soul. That is the crucial element - we are made in God's image. We know what is good and what is evil. Free will permits man to accept or reject God. The story of the apple tells us that man rejected God's truth and so had to be saved by the suffering of Christ our Lord. Mans misuse of free will causes hhis to sin.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Get it right. It doesn't mention apple, it simply says fruit.

"Since man is free, and since he already exists in this world, it is implied that his freedom is only in this world, and that it, too, is restricted by it."

It seems to me to be hypocrisy to give freewill then take it away again by calling certain actions and behaviours "Sin," thus negating the real concept of freewill.

Your arguments are flawed and your eyes are blinded by faith in a nonentity. There is no hope for you. How sad.

[taywil64]

The important message of the video is to focus on the exploitation and humilitation of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state. The latter not concerned with prmoting the Jewish faith but rather with its imperialistic absorption of lands that belong to their neighbour. It is not religious it is about exerting control over a people. Religion cannot be blamed for such action. It is a secular drive for land and control over resources. If God does not exist then it is solely mans fault.

[atticfinch]

I totally agree on this. As much as i enjoy your debate, one must never forget that these states are using religion as a political means. A serious discussion about the conflict between Israel and Palestine must not be held on religious grounds.

[atticfinch]

I meant to post this under taywil64's comment about the conflict being a secular drive for land and resources...

[taywil64]

I agree with one. But what has happened is politics has used religion as a stick to beat its opponent with. For example, if I am a Muslim and try and enter Israel I will be subjected to humiliating treatment, even if I am an Israeli- Arab. Being Israeli does not count; being an Arab does. Being an Arab it is assumed I am Musliml but Christian Arabs suffer too. Jews do not; for politcial reasons.

[MuDfx]

Good upload , Need to make more people aware of this.

peace

[obviouslyFAKE2]

And Again:

danndan6:

Quote:

FYI we havent killed any messiah because the messiah hasnt come yet. when he comes it wont be a matter of debate it will be a historical fact that all will agree upon.

[taywil64]

Christ was the chosen one whom the Jews sentenced to death to please their Roman master. There can ne no Messiah for Christ has come and you rejected his message of love and peace.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

God never existed - therefore the son of God also never existed. Its all an illusion.

I do not reject peace and love or any other positive and productive action and sentiment. I do not need any fabled character's support or so called blessing.Only the living shall give me succour and comfort from the darkness.

If God and Christ existed then why are paedophiles and murderers and wicked fuckers allowed to persist in torturing the innocent?

Did Jesus forgive their sins as well?if so he's a cunt.

[taywil64]

God gave man a free will, and man abuses the freedom given by God. We are imperfect but by prayer we can become better. We must communicate with God. Why so much sin exists is a paradox until we realise that if we loved our neighbour as ourselves we all would be better off. It is wrong to blame God for mans greed and sinfulness, it is only man acting without being in a state of grace. Our belief is something we must nurture and engender within ourselves.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Man had free will before the creation of god. It is a bi-product of evolution - you know, the thing that NATURE has been doing for billions of years.

I'm all for free will - so if you freely will yourself into subjection to an illusion, then eat your heart out mate.

Oh bye the way, "Man first of all exists, encounters himself, surges up in the world and defines himself afterwards," this is the fundamental truth of our existence.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Its true, we have choices, thus we are essentially neither good or evil.  we have the choice of whether or not to be 'good' or 'bad,' and our essential Self is determined by our actions and the choices we make.

Humans do not stand apart from nature, We Are A Part Of Nature. And Nature is free from the moralising and procrastinations of so-called 'civilisation.'

'Good' and 'Bad' are human constructs and their meanings are relative to the values of the society in which we live.

Don't be fooled

[obviouslyFAKE2]

"When they lose their sense of awe,

people turn to religion.

When they no longer trust themselves,

they begin to depend upon authority."

One can attain a state of "Grace" without any religious influence or interference. Nurturing positive values within children from birth, and providing them with Education; Knowledge and Information; and the Freewill to believe what they wish, is real compassion. The only way to ensure confident, productive and positive individuals.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

What is prayer, but a conversation with yourself. If you tell someone to pray to an imaginary being, who never ever responds to that prayer, people stop listening to themselves because their prayers are never answered. Thus, all their "Good" intentions become mere illusions as well.

The threat of Hell and the promise of Heaven are just carrot and stick and irrelevant to the physical, "Real" life. Too many inconsistencies, too many lies, too much selective editing of religious texts.

[taywil64]

I disagree with the premise of your thesis. The Bible, the OT, informs us how God created man, and how man rejected God. Our Jewish brethern, like Christains, subscribe to the tenets of the Bible. Man, not God, created sin. Sin was not inevitable until man rejected God's message.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Empirical physical scientific evidence can not be disputed, as it is tried and tested fact! "God" no more created Man than it created the universe.

Where is the empirical evidence of "God?"

Why doesn't it make itself known?

According to the fairy story of the bible, it "spoke" to "Adam and Eve," so why not speak to us (physically)?

Why prove itself to them and not us?

Scientific Fact: The Earth is around 4.5 billion years old.

Scientific Fact backed up by hard evidence: Evolution happened.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

I wholeheartedly agree with you when you say: "Man, not God, created sin." As I said above, the concept of "Sin" is a human construct and its meaning is relative to the values of the society in which we live. Each society has its own collection of rules, values and morals etc. to which it adheres. Therefore each separate society has its own, different, interpretation of what "Good" and "Bad(Evil/Sin)" is.

To me and in my society, Human Sacrifice is "Bad" - So why did your God demand it?

[taywil64]

God does not want human sacrafice or suffering. Man does. God cannot stop force man how to behave, but he has told him how he should. It is a dilemnia for us all how an all powerful God created the world where so much suffering exists. But it is not God who committs such evil, only man can do that. And yes, each society has its set of rules but many agree on basic elements re: what is evil.

[Rhademanthus]

God can do ANYTHING. He is OMNIPOTENT.

Isaiah 45:7

The whole book of Habakkuk. God does create evil. To say otherwise is to limit God, which is blasphemy.

[taywil64]

God cannot act contrary to His will. Would you have God stop the sun from rising or the tides from ebbing? God created the world for the sun to rise and the tide to flow. If people die because of daylight robbery or drown due to high water is God to end light and end tides? He cannot act contrary to what was created and was good.

[taywil64]

Jesus Christ did not create murder; man created murder. God gave man a free will. God did not create evil but he knew that giving man free will sin would follow. But sin is mans creation not God's. Christ was the victim of murder by the Romans and Jews both of whom he created. God submited to death to redemn the world but that does not make murder good. Man must listen to God to hear his message if man does not listen God is not to blame; man is at fault.

[codarkstarxx13]

Supposedly: God created man. God gave man free will. By doing this, he knew sin would ensue. Knowing this, he still allowed all of this. I believe it's his fault.

It's like having a vicious crazed wolf trapped in a cage rabidly trying to get out and attack the man standing in front of the cage. You open the cage and let the wolf out. The wolf kills the man in front. You're crazy if you say the wolf is at fault. Which is exactly where the debate of logic comes in.

[taywil64]

You miss the point of free will and your analogy is flawed. Man is not by nature evil, a small minority may be but unless man had a free will he could not wilfully choose God's message of his free will and so secure salvation. Evil exists because greedy warmongers use war for their own evil ends. That is not God's fault. It is not God's will that anyone needlessly suffer.

[codarkstarxx13]

Yeah, no my analogy isn't flawed. That was really a vague statement. What makes you conclude that man is not inherently evil? A small majority are greedy warmongers? No. That's most of every country's population supporting military actions and huge businesses who devour economies and destroy living quality. A military who hates and scorns is easily accepted and a huge subject of patronage. People are evil. People are good. You don't know. Nor do I. Don't try to convince me that you do.

[taywil64]

Your analogy is flawed with all due respect. God made the earth and all that is in it. Yet, tides cause death. Has God set about to kill people by having tides? People have accidents or don't take due care. Most people are decent but misled. We are all not Americans, Chinese, Iranians, or Koreans. In England a million people demonstrated against war but our then evil PM brought us into the conflict; British people are against the war if not our political elite. Now they are evil.

[codarkstarxx13]

and i guarantee one time in your life you have said, "god has a plan for us all" and what you just said proved that wrong.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

If your god can do anything then how about stopping the suffering of innocents?

If it creates evil then what is the point of Satan?

What is the point and purpose of Earth and our physical realities ? If it is to test our worthiness to enter heaven, then wouldn't it be best done in heaven. And if your god created everything and everyone wouldn't it be instantly aware of the evil thus negating the need for a test on Earth?

[taywil64]

Religion in western Christendom cannot be summed up in a few words. Different demoninations within the Christian have some differeing beliefs. Hell is not a fire, it is being not in God's presence. Prayer changes us and the relationship we enjoy with God. Prayer engages us with God and he hears us and snswers us in His own way. To believe is to put God before ourselves; it is hard to do.

[danndan6]

this guy doesnt understand that in judaism the messiah will be a zionist. neturei karta represent 0.04% of jews so its hardly imaginable that they know the torah better

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Are the Jews going to kill this new messiah as well?

[obviouslyFAKE2]

But I don't see that as being the case. If you watch Occupation 101 there are a number of Jewish contributors - All different - who condemn the occupation of Palestinian lands and the Genocide and ethnic cleansing policies of the Zionists.

Do you really want to ally yourself to murder, torture, theft, human rights abuse, starvation of aspiration and independence, Genocide, forced evictions and demolitions (Ethnic Cleansing)?

[obviouslyFAKE2]

And this has been going on for 60 odd years!

What - do you and all your other blind, cruel, ignorant, murderous Zionist friends not remember what happened in WWII, or did you think it was such a good idea you decided to employ similar techniques as the NAZI' s when dealing with the Arabs.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

I am ashamed that the British government - influenced by the newly emerging super power of the Devil (USA) - over compensated on their lack of vigilance and created the whole mess back in 1948. Furthermore, I am disgusted that the UN has been constantly blocked by the US government (Funded and owned by Zionists) in over 40 attempts to bring Israel to trial over the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Especially when there have been subsequent recurrences of Genocide since 1940 - 45. (Bosnia, Rwanda, Cambodia). You don't here them banging on about it and forcing everyone (even through law) to recognise their suffering.

Why am I even bothering to converse with you? People like you are the root to everyone else's suffering - YOU, THE CHRISTIANS, THE MUSLIMS - You're all as bad as each other.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Blind Faith and Ignorance and InHumanity: Greed and Power and Domination. That's all you follow.

You and all the other extremist fundamentalist Daemons are here to create a Hell on Earth - And what a good job you're all doing.

Well Done. Give yourself a pat on the back.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

The Jews sold Jesus down the river and forced Pilate into executing him because they thought of him as a heretic and blasphemer.

Heresy and Blasphemy were excellent excuses to use to get rid of trouble makers in those days and for several hundred years afterwards.

Back in those days people believed in Dragons and other mythical beasts. Thus they were easily convinced by magicians and charlatans.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

They were also governed by religious doctrine and religious ideology - no secular politics then. So when someone came along claiming to be the son of God and King of the Jews, the religious hierarchy had to stamp on it and show no mercy.

Hence, they were not satisfied with simple torture. They wanted the trouble maker out of the way for good so they got the Romans to kill him for them.

What makes you so sure that the Zionists are going to welcome this so-called messiah this time around?

[obviouslyFAKE2]

I tell you - THEY WONT.

What they'll do is assassinate him, but this time they'll get mosad to do it. They wont have to pass the buck this time because in truth they don't give a shit as they get away with murder every day, so what's the difference.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

The Zionists will blow your so-called 'Messiah' away, but this time - instead of heresy - it will be for treason.

You don't think the Christian Evangelist Zionists in the States really support Israel do you? All they are waiting for is Armageddon, when they believe all the Jews and Muslims are going to be wiped out so they get to claim the so-called 'Holy-Land' for their own.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Wake up and smell the coffee danndan6. I'm not anti-semetic, I just don't believe that people who call themselves 'The Chosen One's,' can treat other human beings worse than animals then claim the moral/spiritual high ground.

Your arguments are weak and flawed because you are blinded by bullshit propaganda and a sick ideology.

Why is my message completely idiotic and clearly hate filled to you?

Because you people don't like hearing the truth.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

I don't hate Jewish people who treat others with respect and humanity. I don't hate anyone apart from War Mongers; Despots; Tyrants; Murderers; Bullies; and paedophiles - All of which should suffer long excruciatingly painful deaths.

The truth is, the land of PALESTINE was stolen from the Arabs and given to the Jews, who's pseudo-settlers continue to steal the most fertile and best land today. Just like the Urgun and Haganah did from the 40's through to the 70's and 80's.

Truth hurts don't it.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

danndan6: I have now employed your tactics and blocked you from sending me any more ridiculous messages in private.

I see you want me to express my opinion in public so the above is in response to the shit you sent me today. For everybody else, here's a snippet of what I've had to put up with:

Quote:

danndan6:

since when did the jews kill jesus? jesus told the roman leader that he was the king. this was a threat to the roman leader.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

And Again:

danndan6:

Quote:

your message is completely idiotic and clearly hate filled so it doesnt really deserve a reply. if you really must know according to jewish scripture the people who are attacking israel in the end of days will kill the messiah which uuuhhhrrr.........is the arabs

[obviouslyFAKE2]

Tell that to the Zionists - They've had it all their own way for sixty odd years.

[KimSuBok]

Spot on analysis. This is also why America's "special relationship" with Israel brought on the September 11 attacks and has dragged our country into this petty ethnic quarrel. Enough is enough. Let us declare our independence from Israel.

[obviouslyFAKE2]

If only the whole of America felt this way.

Well Done KimSuBok.

[AdorIslam]

Have you Zionist supporting American and the European Zombies heard the man said?