i am planning to dig my pond deeper and add shelves and a cascade but i have a hoselock box filter will this do for the cascade or will i need a better pump or a seprate pump?
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I still say it needs rock work on all the sides, and the bottom to totally hide it, many people don't like gravel cause of the cleaning, Well why not mortar in stone on the bottom and make it look like a flagstone patio on the bottom? that would look SO nice! =)
Its not a very deep pond so the blackness gives a bit of a depth illusion. I've never done one with stone totally covering the liner (except in cascades) so may try that on a more formal one. Only lazy people will use gravel or cobbles - you're right it is a nightmare to clean and if used on the sides will end up in the pond, exposing the liner.
Actually i think people who DON'T add gravel on the bottom of the ponds are lazy... cause they are lazy to drain it every year and wash it out, or they are lazy to install a under gravel filter system... You are a pro installer so it is better for you and easier for your customers if you just make a bare liner pond as you can clean it with a pond vac. But it looks MUCH better with gravel of something covering all the liner, plus it is a instillation, and much needed UV protection...
Under gravel filters work fairly well but need to be totally stripped down every few years for maintenance. The external filter I use is meant to catch the muck from the pond which would get stuck in gravel or cobbles. The liner I use is 1mm rubber and even if left in direct sunlight will take 40+ years to break down. Sunlight under water is much weakened as the majority of UV is reflected from th pond surface. Ease of maintenance is the key for long term pondkeeping.
@pondguru Under gravel filters NEVER need to be cleaned if installed correctly with a back flush, were water can be pumped trough the line mixed with air, and into the bottom of the pond, through the same tubes as were the suction is! A well built pond never needs cleaning and draining as well. I say a pond for me must look natural to be called a pond, I use pond liner that would take 90 + years to break down, but i am not taking a chance. The aesthetics of the pond are really important!
Ponds that look ascetically pleasing, people seem to enjoy them more and work harder for, because they look nicer, I am sorry, but if you like smooth bottom ponds, the LEAST i would do for my customers, is mortar a flagstone bottom, and lay flagstone along the entire length of the walls it will look so much nicer than just an edge in rocks, in nature, rocks don't tend just to hang out around the edge, they are all over the pond, and the bottom always has sediments, like course sand or gravel.
What is the name / thickness of the pond liner you use?
I use Firestome 1mm which considering it has only been around since the 1950's has done fairly well (the test run still has not broken down at the firestone test ponds).
The Firestone 1mm that I use also has a 'lifetime warranty' but as the material has only been in existence since the 1950's, Firestone themselves class this as 40+ years, since that is all the field test time they have to go on. Flexible plastics and sheet rubbers only started being used mid last century.
@pondguru Well Firestone® Pond liner you use is 1mm or 39.3700787 Mil, Which is why Firestone® is Junk, and it is impossible for it to have a lifetime warranty, unless the store sells it with one...
Anjon Pond Liners are 1.14300 mm Think or 45 Mil Much better, plus the have patented "Pond-Guard®" Thus resulting in Exceptional Quality, and The absolute best 45 Mil liner on the market. Firestone is a imitation as it does not have an even thickness on the liners the manufacture.
i am planning to dig my pond deeper and add shelves and a cascade but i have a hoselock box filter will this do for the cascade or will i need a better pump or a seprate pump?
0h4yd3n0 4 months ago
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Gregmills007 1 year ago
I still say it needs rock work on all the sides, and the bottom to totally hide it, many people don't like gravel cause of the cleaning, Well why not mortar in stone on the bottom and make it look like a flagstone patio on the bottom? that would look SO nice! =)
Arteolike 1 year ago
Its not a very deep pond so the blackness gives a bit of a depth illusion. I've never done one with stone totally covering the liner (except in cascades) so may try that on a more formal one. Only lazy people will use gravel or cobbles - you're right it is a nightmare to clean and if used on the sides will end up in the pond, exposing the liner.
pondguru 1 year ago
Actually i think people who DON'T add gravel on the bottom of the ponds are lazy... cause they are lazy to drain it every year and wash it out, or they are lazy to install a under gravel filter system... You are a pro installer so it is better for you and easier for your customers if you just make a bare liner pond as you can clean it with a pond vac. But it looks MUCH better with gravel of something covering all the liner, plus it is a instillation, and much needed UV protection...
Sorry...
Arteolike 1 year ago
Under gravel filters work fairly well but need to be totally stripped down every few years for maintenance. The external filter I use is meant to catch the muck from the pond which would get stuck in gravel or cobbles. The liner I use is 1mm rubber and even if left in direct sunlight will take 40+ years to break down. Sunlight under water is much weakened as the majority of UV is reflected from th pond surface. Ease of maintenance is the key for long term pondkeeping.
pondguru 1 year ago
@pondguru Under gravel filters NEVER need to be cleaned if installed correctly with a back flush, were water can be pumped trough the line mixed with air, and into the bottom of the pond, through the same tubes as were the suction is! A well built pond never needs cleaning and draining as well. I say a pond for me must look natural to be called a pond, I use pond liner that would take 90 + years to break down, but i am not taking a chance. The aesthetics of the pond are really important!
Arteolike 1 year ago
Ponds that look ascetically pleasing, people seem to enjoy them more and work harder for, because they look nicer, I am sorry, but if you like smooth bottom ponds, the LEAST i would do for my customers, is mortar a flagstone bottom, and lay flagstone along the entire length of the walls it will look so much nicer than just an edge in rocks, in nature, rocks don't tend just to hang out around the edge, they are all over the pond, and the bottom always has sediments, like course sand or gravel.
Arteolike 1 year ago
What is the name / thickness of the pond liner you use?
I use Firestome 1mm which considering it has only been around since the 1950's has done fairly well (the test run still has not broken down at the firestone test ponds).
pondguru 1 year ago
@pondguru
Anjon® 45 Mil EPDM Pond Liner with Pond-Guard or Fish-Guard i forget, but the reason i chose it because it comes with a LIFETIME WARRANTY!
Arteolike 1 year ago
The Firestone 1mm that I use also has a 'lifetime warranty' but as the material has only been in existence since the 1950's, Firestone themselves class this as 40+ years, since that is all the field test time they have to go on. Flexible plastics and sheet rubbers only started being used mid last century.
pondguru 1 year ago
@pondguru Well Firestone® Pond liner you use is 1mm or 39.3700787 Mil, Which is why Firestone® is Junk, and it is impossible for it to have a lifetime warranty, unless the store sells it with one...
Anjon Pond Liners are 1.14300 mm Think or 45 Mil Much better, plus the have patented "Pond-Guard®" Thus resulting in Exceptional Quality, and The absolute best 45 Mil liner on the market. Firestone is a imitation as it does not have an even thickness on the liners the manufacture.
Arteolike 1 year ago
Oh.
OK.
pondguru 1 year ago
Beautiful pond :-)
kevinb1908 1 year ago
Thanks, man.
pondguru 1 year ago