making another state would be too much work. what would people need their license changed to the State of South California? like no. it's too complicated in a time like this. how about we focus on America as a whole and then we can focus on people wanting to make a state for no damn reason other than nobody agrees with their conservative ideas so they want their own state. BOOHOO bitch!
@Iterif1 I can see that you are afraid of work but I and all other freedom loving people are not afraid of hard work. Good luck with your chosen path.
You know, I personally don't advocate secession, BUT...I also DO NOT advocate taking from a producer and giving it to a non-producer, and that's what our politicians have figured out...the buying of votes! I saw a response, who right off the bat screamed race. Race isn't the issue by any means. It's about our freedom. But the liberals scream race. Our neighbor is from Poland. He harps daily about living in a socialist state...ended up...no food, not even milk for your children. Wake up!
@DubandDebs I agree secession is not my first thought either but when you live in a state where the will of the electorate is thrown out by a single rogue judge and the state is strong armed by LA and San Francisco it is time to do something about it. I don't see it happening though. It's more likely the producers will continue to leave to more livable states.
@PilgrimLad IF, there was secession, within 10 years, they'd (the left) be beggin to be allowed in. Why...NO income. My opinion?? Nope, just take a quick peek throughout history. Socialism NEVER works, not for the people anyway. But boy, oh boy...the leaders sure live "high on the hog."
Sadly too many on both sides of the aisle (our elected leaders) are now in it for THEM. Their power, their greed, their betterment...
Oh--- what happened? I thought it was about voting for the u.s. to get rid of California...but now it seems about their North and south splitting. If they did so legally, then that would set a precedent for other american communities to find self-determination, the way they have done in so many other democratic countries aroudn the world, like israel and so on. Independence could actually happen for u.s. communities.
It is not so much the illegals,as it is the crazy fucking liberals in Los Angeles and San Fransisco not to mention Sac-town.
As for California seceding from the United States..........it will turn into Yugoslavia 2.0 overnight.And again not because the Hispanics but because the conservatives and the libs do not get along.
It 'll sound too much like north carolina south carolina who would want another racist south in the west coast F*ck all those racist people the south is never coming to the west coast. Your burning crosses aren't coming to this side of town for sure.
@feote911 Why would you force race into this issue? It is all about being disenfranchised, LA and San Francisco hold the rest of the state hostage. The rest of the state can vote one way but if LA & SF vote the other way they win every time. It's about wanting to have a say in how they are governed. Are you sure you are not accusing people of something with witch you have guilt?
@PilgrimLad but Southern California will be a Conservative one, you should that the guy who wants Southern California to happen is a Republican Extremist. He doesn't just want better voting but he wants southern California to be like Texas. this will not happen too because the nation will have to support another state, also Southern California doesn't have a good capital since LA will be part of the north.
@gato123452 The new state would be Conservative, there is no question about that. The counties in the proposed state are agricultural based and the north would be on the losing end of the secession. The new state would be deregulated and able to grow more food (that is if they can get the water). Water IS and will be the weapon used to take control and power over the state(s). South Cali could cut off the water to LA and North Cali could cut off some sources of water to South Cali.
You're just being subjective and fallacious, the South isn't racist by any means. The south is filled with different cultures, sometimes even more so than the North.
The point is, why are you bring race into the issue? You're probably just a racist yourself with your "I hate those racist white people" and "white people suck" contentions. Yep, that's what you are. A racist. Hypocrite.
Best thing that can happen for USA is for California to have a huge earthquake and slide into the pacific ocean taking everybody and everything with it......then and only then....will there be balance to the Force
California is a total joke...that state couldn't manage a $100 budget at a ball game
I have always said that California needs to just go away...just vanish. I dunno maybe an asteroid will slam into California and solve everything. Cali is an eyesore on USA,...get rid of it
the only thing is that "California" would bitch that they would be broke with out the "South" and never let us to secede, and it would take a big effort since the secession would have to go through the federal government.
But I don't get it.... "California" should be happy, they're getting the Long Beach Port, but that doesn't worry me as a SOUTHERN Californian since cause the LA and Friends are liberal retards that don't two shit about business or saving mon
@2011maxaguilar I don't see how that would happen. California earns most of it's money from farming and if the farmers were not taxed and regulated out of work by northern California they will out earn northern California.
@2011maxaguilar "South California" will NOT be asking for money from California. We will be encouraging the free market which will make our economy stronger!
I'd say 90% of the ones talking shit are doing it to make themselves feel superior. If they actually took a look at the "stupid map" they'd find that it is a lot more than just desert and rednecks. North California would be pay the South a lot of money.
@blapgat Hahaha Yeah that about right. I'd say that's about the same reaction the majority of people in America have. If it's not about dancing with the stars most sheeple don't want to hear it.
Their own 1800s world? They just want to keep what they earn and stop supporting the corrupt parasites who are killing them. It's simply a matter of "I don't want to play with you, so I'm taking my toys and going home."
Good for them! When the socialists don't have anyone else's money to spend, maybe they will stop being so wasteful.
@Heathh49008 so what's the point of voting? ppl vote and those ppl are in charage what dont you understand? If they were comservative then you would not secede. this just a bunch of rednecks who live in the desert and so of course they going to complain but this has been brought up before many times nothing new from conservatives that are not in power so this is what they do.
@skiesgrayful Voting will have a purpose... to allow them to keep their money and freedoms. People in the Socialist areas don't have to worry about "rednecks in the desert". Win win, right?
@Heathh49008 again its only when conservatives are not in charge they throw this out there which is funny as hell lol Reality is californmia is a progressive state. Ever state has it small pocket of rednecks, ultra conservatives but its not texas or arizona were small minded conservatives force their right agenda, oh no thats okay as the agenda is conservative? which makes no sence if they dont like california i am sure arizona is a great fit for ther backwards thinking lol.
@AGeekWithAShotgun conservatives dont give crap about others just the rich abnd if you aint rich your nothing if conservative way of thinking is so good look at the bush tax cuts that were supoosed to create jmillions of jobs and improve the economy ....oh yeah that dident work so lets keep doing it LOL
"look at the bush tax cuts that were supoosed to create jmillions of jobs and improve the economy ....oh yeah that dident work so lets keep doing it LOL"
The tax cuts would have worked if Bush didn't throw us in the War on Terror. By the way, Bush wasn't a conservative, nor was he a libertarian.
""conservatives dont give crap about others just the rich abnd if you aint rich your nothing ""
The first Conservative President (Ronald Reagan) cared for everybody. He even legalized millions of illegal immigrants to increase Federal Revenue. His tax cuts boosted the economy out of the Jimmy Cater Depression (Jimmy Carter was "progressive liberal", hurr durr). By the time Reagan left office, unemployment was down to 5.5%. The only thing that rose was the National Debt
Back into debt? This country has been in debt since it was founded. We probably still owe money to the French, for fuck sakes. Yes, Ronald Reagan near doubled the national debt, but it's only logical to conclude that it was due to several proxy wars against Soviet aggression (the cost of war is justified.)
Want to hear something no left-wing president ever did for this country? 5 percent unemployment rate.
@AGeekWithAShotgun no fallacies just facts and you want to talk about the constitution every fuck President in history has violated the constitution why cause a paper written 1788 doesn't mean shit today the only paper that valued is green.
Of which, the reason to the National Debt rising was primarily due to several Proxy wars against the Soviet Union trying to ward off communist aggression
@ratcabob L.A. and Ventura Counties vote for the liberal agenda so they are on-board with what the Governor and Legislature are doing. So they will stay with Old California.
@PilgrimLad this is beyond stupid and bunch of small desert cities want to act like its the 1800's it would be funny if it wasent really patheltic and sad. Whats next in 2030 they want to make everyone were dress in 1700's gear? lol using horse buggies lol how about fix your budget and stop complaining every 20 seconds about how great the 1800's were.
@Heathh49008 yeah cause so many ppl would live to live in kings county or riverside LOL There small towns that nobody gives a crap about and rightfully so but what else is new from the conservatives always wanting to secede and make their own 1800's world LOL losers.
If Southern California wants to succeed from the oppressive communist North California, they have every right to do so.
You're just too brainwashed and subjective, and thus you dismiss anything from the right-wing of ideologies.
Socialist liberals and communists of California have forced their left-wing centralization ideologies on California, and it's about time a chunk of California leaves. California is bankrupt because of the communist liberals of CA.
Being progressive doesn't mean constituting bullshit laws and horrible economics.
Face it, conservatives have a better sense of morality, economics and rule of law.
I'm a very liberal person and I can vouch for the conservatives. By the way, New York is a TERRIBLE example. New York is an absolute terrible place to live: high crime rates, terrible health-care, congested city environments and bad law system.
@AGeekWithAShotgun your boring me conservatives if their ideas are so great they would have worked when the republicans were in charge the last 8 years with the economy but keep trying to convince your self that though lol
making another state would be too much work. what would people need their license changed to the State of South California? like no. it's too complicated in a time like this. how about we focus on America as a whole and then we can focus on people wanting to make a state for no damn reason other than nobody agrees with their conservative ideas so they want their own state. BOOHOO bitch!
Iterif1 1 week ago
@Iterif1 I can see that you are afraid of work but I and all other freedom loving people are not afraid of hard work. Good luck with your chosen path.
PilgrimLad 1 week ago
You know, I personally don't advocate secession, BUT...I also DO NOT advocate taking from a producer and giving it to a non-producer, and that's what our politicians have figured out...the buying of votes! I saw a response, who right off the bat screamed race. Race isn't the issue by any means. It's about our freedom. But the liberals scream race. Our neighbor is from Poland. He harps daily about living in a socialist state...ended up...no food, not even milk for your children. Wake up!
DubandDebs 1 month ago
@DubandDebs I agree secession is not my first thought either but when you live in a state where the will of the electorate is thrown out by a single rogue judge and the state is strong armed by LA and San Francisco it is time to do something about it. I don't see it happening though. It's more likely the producers will continue to leave to more livable states.
PilgrimLad 1 month ago
@PilgrimLad IF, there was secession, within 10 years, they'd (the left) be beggin to be allowed in. Why...NO income. My opinion?? Nope, just take a quick peek throughout history. Socialism NEVER works, not for the people anyway. But boy, oh boy...the leaders sure live "high on the hog."
Sadly too many on both sides of the aisle (our elected leaders) are now in it for THEM. Their power, their greed, their betterment...
DubandDebs 1 month ago
Oh--- what happened? I thought it was about voting for the u.s. to get rid of California...but now it seems about their North and south splitting. If they did so legally, then that would set a precedent for other american communities to find self-determination, the way they have done in so many other democratic countries aroudn the world, like israel and so on. Independence could actually happen for u.s. communities.
westchesterny 4 months ago
It is not so much the illegals,as it is the crazy fucking liberals in Los Angeles and San Fransisco not to mention Sac-town.
As for California seceding from the United States..........it will turn into Yugoslavia 2.0 overnight.And again not because the Hispanics but because the conservatives and the libs do not get along.
Urdalibertine 6 months ago
@Urdalibertine why don't you just go to mexico. they have a vote there. maybe that would work better for you.
westchesterny 4 months ago
why don't we just Secede for the USA altogether fuck the US we can do will as are own country
TheZeonMovement1 6 months ago
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"we can do will as are own country "
Do well as your own country? LOL, what would be your top exports, corrupt Hollywood politicians and dairy cows?
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
It 'll sound too much like north carolina south carolina who would want another racist south in the west coast F*ck all those racist people the south is never coming to the west coast. Your burning crosses aren't coming to this side of town for sure.
feote911 6 months ago
@feote911 Why would you force race into this issue? It is all about being disenfranchised, LA and San Francisco hold the rest of the state hostage. The rest of the state can vote one way but if LA & SF vote the other way they win every time. It's about wanting to have a say in how they are governed. Are you sure you are not accusing people of something with witch you have guilt?
PilgrimLad 6 months ago 6
@PilgrimLad but Southern California will be a Conservative one, you should that the guy who wants Southern California to happen is a Republican Extremist. He doesn't just want better voting but he wants southern California to be like Texas. this will not happen too because the nation will have to support another state, also Southern California doesn't have a good capital since LA will be part of the north.
gato123452 4 months ago
@gato123452 The new state would be Conservative, there is no question about that. The counties in the proposed state are agricultural based and the north would be on the losing end of the secession. The new state would be deregulated and able to grow more food (that is if they can get the water). Water IS and will be the weapon used to take control and power over the state(s). South Cali could cut off the water to LA and North Cali could cut off some sources of water to South Cali.
PilgrimLad 4 months ago
@PilgrimLad yes but then you have to change the history books, your have to change the flag, and etc, money that government doesn't have.
gato123452 4 months ago
@feote911
"racist south"
You're just being subjective and fallacious, the South isn't racist by any means. The south is filled with different cultures, sometimes even more so than the North.
The point is, why are you bring race into the issue? You're probably just a racist yourself with your "I hate those racist white people" and "white people suck" contentions. Yep, that's what you are. A racist. Hypocrite.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
Shit this can't be good
SouthernSalute 6 months ago
Best thing that can happen for USA is for California to have a huge earthquake and slide into the pacific ocean taking everybody and everything with it......then and only then....will there be balance to the Force
California is a total joke...that state couldn't manage a $100 budget at a ball game
I have always said that California needs to just go away...just vanish. I dunno maybe an asteroid will slam into California and solve everything. Cali is an eyesore on USA,...get rid of it
MatrixFactoryGuy 7 months ago
jeff stone should move out of California
stringlov 7 months ago
I would totally support this ...
the only thing is that "California" would bitch that they would be broke with out the "South" and never let us to secede, and it would take a big effort since the secession would have to go through the federal government.
But I don't get it.... "California" should be happy, they're getting the Long Beach Port, but that doesn't worry me as a SOUTHERN Californian since cause the LA and Friends are liberal retards that don't two shit about business or saving mon
TheseYeahThese 7 months ago
Its not gonna happen, even if it does SOCAL is gonna be hella poor asking money from NORCAL
2011maxaguilar 7 months ago
@2011maxaguilar I don't see how that would happen. California earns most of it's money from farming and if the farmers were not taxed and regulated out of work by northern California they will out earn northern California.
PilgrimLad 7 months ago 2
@2011maxaguilar "South California" will NOT be asking for money from California. We will be encouraging the free market which will make our economy stronger!
godstenrules 7 months ago
I'd say 90% of the ones talking shit are doing it to make themselves feel superior. If they actually took a look at the "stupid map" they'd find that it is a lot more than just desert and rednecks. North California would be pay the South a lot of money.
TheCrazyKakoos 7 months ago
@blapgat Hahaha Yeah that about right. I'd say that's about the same reaction the majority of people in America have. If it's not about dancing with the stars most sheeple don't want to hear it.
PilgrimLad 7 months ago
Their own 1800s world? They just want to keep what they earn and stop supporting the corrupt parasites who are killing them. It's simply a matter of "I don't want to play with you, so I'm taking my toys and going home."
Good for them! When the socialists don't have anyone else's money to spend, maybe they will stop being so wasteful.
Heathh49008 7 months ago 10
@Heathh49008 so what's the point of voting? ppl vote and those ppl are in charage what dont you understand? If they were comservative then you would not secede. this just a bunch of rednecks who live in the desert and so of course they going to complain but this has been brought up before many times nothing new from conservatives that are not in power so this is what they do.
skiesgrayful 7 months ago
@skiesgrayful Voting will have a purpose... to allow them to keep their money and freedoms. People in the Socialist areas don't have to worry about "rednecks in the desert". Win win, right?
Heathh49008 7 months ago
@Heathh49008 again its only when conservatives are not in charge they throw this out there which is funny as hell lol Reality is californmia is a progressive state. Ever state has it small pocket of rednecks, ultra conservatives but its not texas or arizona were small minded conservatives force their right agenda, oh no thats okay as the agenda is conservative? which makes no sence if they dont like california i am sure arizona is a great fit for ther backwards thinking lol.
skiesgrayful 7 months ago
@skiesgrayful
You retarded, being conservative doesn't mean being close-minded. I'm very socially liberal but the conservatives have the right idea economically.
Southern California succeeding from North California is a great idea. They can make their own libertarian-based laws which are much better.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun conservatives dont give crap about others just the rich abnd if you aint rich your nothing if conservative way of thinking is so good look at the bush tax cuts that were supoosed to create jmillions of jobs and improve the economy ....oh yeah that dident work so lets keep doing it LOL
skiesgrayful 6 months ago
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"look at the bush tax cuts that were supoosed to create jmillions of jobs and improve the economy ....oh yeah that dident work so lets keep doing it LOL"
The tax cuts would have worked if Bush didn't throw us in the War on Terror. By the way, Bush wasn't a conservative, nor was he a libertarian.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@skiesgrayful
""conservatives dont give crap about others just the rich abnd if you aint rich your nothing ""
The first Conservative President (Ronald Reagan) cared for everybody. He even legalized millions of illegal immigrants to increase Federal Revenue. His tax cuts boosted the economy out of the Jimmy Cater Depression (Jimmy Carter was "progressive liberal", hurr durr). By the time Reagan left office, unemployment was down to 5.5%. The only thing that rose was the National Debt
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun ronald reagan also put the country back in debt
TheZeonMovement1 6 months ago
@TheZeonMovement1
"put the country back in debt "
Back into debt? This country has been in debt since it was founded. We probably still owe money to the French, for fuck sakes. Yes, Ronald Reagan near doubled the national debt, but it's only logical to conclude that it was due to several proxy wars against Soviet aggression (the cost of war is justified.)
Want to hear something no left-wing president ever did for this country? 5 percent unemployment rate.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun bill clinton got national deficit to 0
TheZeonMovement1 6 months ago
@TheZeonMovement1
No, he did not. Creating fallacies will get you nowhere.
Clinton also violated many constitution rights of American citizens. How do you feel about that?
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun no fallacies just facts and you want to talk about the constitution every fuck President in history has violated the constitution why cause a paper written 1788 doesn't mean shit today the only paper that valued is green.
TheZeonMovement1 6 months ago
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"the only paper that valued is green. "
Not true. The dollar has been worth essentially nothing since they got rid of the Gold Standard.
"fuck President in history has violated the constitution "
Not true at all.
"a paper written 1788 doesn't mean shit today "
It means EVERYTHING today. I'm righteous about my rights, you should be too.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@skiesgrayful
Of which, the reason to the National Debt rising was primarily due to several Proxy wars against the Soviet Union trying to ward off communist aggression
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
>South California w/o LA county
goodluckwiththat.jpg
TamanaGuy 7 months ago
@TamanaGuy
LA sucks and is a detriment.
Most of CA's income is from farmers and tourist, more so farmers. The new South California should do economically well
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
LA wouldn't be included? That is just strange...
ratcabob 7 months ago
@ratcabob L.A. and Ventura Counties vote for the liberal agenda so they are on-board with what the Governor and Legislature are doing. So they will stay with Old California.
PilgrimLad 7 months ago
@PilgrimLad this is beyond stupid and bunch of small desert cities want to act like its the 1800's it would be funny if it wasent really patheltic and sad. Whats next in 2030 they want to make everyone were dress in 1700's gear? lol using horse buggies lol how about fix your budget and stop complaining every 20 seconds about how great the 1800's were.
skiesgrayful 7 months ago
@PilgrimLad as oppossed to the butt kissing corperate conservative right agenda counties lol
skiesgrayful 7 months ago
I hope they do it. Good luck folks!
Heathh49008 7 months ago
@Heathh49008 yeah cause so many ppl would live to live in kings county or riverside LOL There small towns that nobody gives a crap about and rightfully so but what else is new from the conservatives always wanting to secede and make their own 1800's world LOL losers.
skiesgrayful 7 months ago
@skiesgrayful
"and make their own 1800's world LOL losers. "
They never wanted a "1800's" world, they just want to get away from this hippie/communist culture in California.
"small towns that nobody gives a crap about"
Nobody gives a crap about California in general. What is your point?
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun then live in arizona or texas where these conservative rednecks and corperate ass kissers can mock ppl that are not like them
skiesgrayful 6 months ago
@skiesgrayful
No.
If Southern California wants to succeed from the oppressive communist North California, they have every right to do so.
You're just too brainwashed and subjective, and thus you dismiss anything from the right-wing of ideologies.
Socialist liberals and communists of California have forced their left-wing centralization ideologies on California, and it's about time a chunk of California leaves. California is bankrupt because of the communist liberals of CA.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun california is a progressive state deal with it like new york is like california it will never be conservative sorry dude.
skiesgrayful 6 months ago
@skiesgrayful
Being progressive doesn't mean constituting bullshit laws and horrible economics.
Face it, conservatives have a better sense of morality, economics and rule of law.
I'm a very liberal person and I can vouch for the conservatives. By the way, New York is a TERRIBLE example. New York is an absolute terrible place to live: high crime rates, terrible health-care, congested city environments and bad law system.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun yeah cause ppl want to live in arizona so bad lol the heat and nothingness very conservative
skiesgrayful 6 months ago
@skiesgrayful
That's not a feasible contention.
Oh, and good job avoiding my arguments.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun your boring me conservatives if their ideas are so great they would have worked when the republicans were in charge the last 8 years with the economy but keep trying to convince your self that though lol
skiesgrayful 6 months ago
@skiesgrayful
"when the republicans were in charge the last 8 years with the economy"
Two words. Federal Spending: ergo, the War on Terror in the Middle East.
Your logic is that of a German Nazi Sympathizer, that the Ends justifies the Means, which is never the correct way to conduct logical reasoning.
"but keep trying to convince your self that though lol"
The economy is now even worse.
You're boring me, it seems. You don't even have the capacity to use proper grammar.
AGeekWithAShotgun 6 months ago
Maybe they should become West Arizona.
PilgrimLad 7 months ago
@PilgrimLad yeah their already a bunch of rednecks their anyway lol
skiesgrayful 7 months ago