@mitchly...wtf. and a dog is different from a wolf or a monkey because he has been domesticated over a long span of time. hes no longer a wild animal. unless he's one of those dogs mixed with wolves etc.
@NiangoChan I'm not going to argue with you, or dathwampeer either; All I'm saying is, and obviously this is my own opinion and I'm severly out numbered here but.....I think it's cruel and I'd rather see the Monkey swinging about in the trees with it's family where I think it should be, rather than be forced to perform tricks for humans entertainment. That's all. My own opinion. But, I hope other people share it with me. I'm sure they do. Billy. UK
I cant disagree with you. I have jumped to the conclusion that the people are cruel because the monkey shouldn't be there in the first place, it should be in the wild where it belongs. Strangely enough, if it were a human that was forced to do this against it's will (same as the monkey) I'd love it, even pay to see it probably. I'm weird like that. Seriously, if the monkey had a choice, I think I know where it would rather be and what it would rather be doing. Thanks for your reply.
@mitchly No animals natural environment is in captivity. But we're just more accustomed to seeing some in it than others. We assume that because a monkey is quite exotic, (to westerners) that it's cruel for it to domesticate it.
Dogs where all wild once, as were cats, hamsters, rabbits. etc.
Yet somehow training a dog to do tricks whilst on a leash is almost universally acceptable. But doing the exact same thing to monkey is animal cruelty.
really people? animal abuse? ive seen much worse done to animals than this, and people are right, the chain is in case the monkey gets away, like a dog lease, not some fucked up bdsm chain monkey fetish. so quit whining you pansies, go watch people cut animal limbs off or watch animals get beaten by clubs for barking before you whine about "cruelty" i do 100 push ups every morning then again at night to stay in shape. self cruelty?
@ingles13931 just because you can think of other ways of abusing an animal, that doesn't mean this video is not animal cruelty. That would be a pretty illogical way of thinking.
@ingles13931 The thing is, you choose to do pushups. Someone doesn't chain you and force you to do them. You don't have a chain keeping you from leaving. That monkey is alive, and has no reason to be chained and kept somewhere it doesn't want to be, to do something it doesn't want to do. That's still animal cruelty right there.
@shrimpypunk My dogs are given the same food everyday, feed from a dish placed on ground, and sleep on the ground, but they also get pet, loved and adored. This is their life, and this is how it is for them because they dont contribute anything to maintain the household, work, prepare food, nothing. This monkey is not being abused, its not crying out, its job is to do 10 woman-push-ups and get treats for doing so. I worked 8-10 hours a day, and this monkey does 10 push-ups... wtf.
@marcoge100 Maybe it learned not to run away once it was punished for trying. Monkey's aren't that stupid. Once you get hit or starved for trying to run away, you learn not to try.
@ingles13931 you haven't seen what these monkeys had to endure and live in? go on websites for yourself to see what people who have actually been here commented about what happened at the place and the state of the places they had to live in, YEP THAT IS ANIMAL ABUSE
@hannahrobinson92 my family comes from a third world country, El Salvador, before the 80's, peasants were treated like animals, and during the 80's, we had a civil war. the Salvodoran government, backed by Reagan's presidency, and US troops, did things to accused "rebels"; government death squads, dead rebels and soldiers along roads, gas bombs, etc. look up the movie Voces Innocentes, and look up what my people had to endure and live in, then tell me i havent seen bad conditions
@ingles13931 what the fuck has tht gotta do with these monkeys? there's diff types of animal abuse and cruelty this is one of them, just cos you don't see them getting beat up doesn't mean they don't and they should be out in the wild either way not being used for entertainment! sorry but your story is completely irrelevant.
@hannahrobinson92 i mean there is still evidence of the war, as in homeless war veterans with missing limbs, and there are animals that arent pampered like you say they should, and i have my priorities straight, help my fellow humans in need over animals. once we all live comfortably as you, then we can stop animal abuse.
@hannahrobinson92 and anyways of course you ignore all the humans rights abuses that went on during the war, which killed a couple of my uncles and family friends, and some govt officials are still on trial for abuses during the war, which started about 30 years ago. and trust me, those people in india wouldnt do this if they could get a job. so donate money to education of third world countries, it will help many poor people, and it will "save" your precious monkeys if thats all you care about.
@ingles13931 no i didn't ignore it but there's alot of help for humans nowadays and hardly any for animals, it's my right to help whoever and whatever i want, i don't hurt humans but i care more about animals yes, what's wrong with that? most people in this world care more about humans! and no i hardly doubt it i don't believe in them donations thing and that they seem to do anything there was a programme about them the other day saying how most don't actually go to the right places
@hannahrobinson92 you are truely ignorant and insensitive. i see you are from the UK, a 1st world country. i dont know if youve ever seen 1st hand poverty, but its bad in 3rd world countries. honestly if this guy could get a better job, he would. and in india they dont have enough money to go buy their monkey a crystal palace. and you are insensitive because you are telling me you dont care about how my family was killed, but the us ignored it. think about your family. PETA motherfucker.
@ingles13931 hardly ignorant, ooh big woop am from the UK! i also don't really support PETA either "mother fucker". i can care about what i want, just like you don't give a shit about this monkey? i don't give a shit about people who don't give a shit about that!
@hannahrobinson92 Right, and this is why I don't give a shit about "animal activists", I'm too busy trying to help my family survive. I do care about this monkey, and all animals, but I actually know how it is to be living in poverty, and you have shown how ignorant you are with your comments. However, I have probably done more than you have. To much to list. What have you done? P.S. Look up "El Mozote" and if you still don't give a fuck, I'm done arguing.
Two wrong don't make a right. Just because there's worst things going on doesn't mean this thing depicted in the video is not cruelty. IT IS. The owner probably made de monkey pass through a tiring and stressful training so people can be amazed and make witty comments on youtube. If you are right, people could advocate horrible things, like rape, by simply mentioning the holocaust. "There's stuff worst than rape people, don't be pandy."
@kpnutswales Good point. I'm done with arguing over this video, but I belive to help those monkeys, you need to help the people. They are only doing it because they need the money, and this is a way to make ends meet for them. If we help them, they won't have to do this. You may or may not care, so I'm not trying to shove my ideals down your throat.
@izze97 It is called training. I didn't just pull 100 push ups out of my ass, but since I worked hard, and keep doing them every day, I can. Believe what you want though, I'm not going to force anything on you.
@dathwampeer because unlike you i have a sense of morality and intelligence. morality is not relative. this monkey deserves the same treatment as any other
You gave me the biggest laugh I've had in a while. Well done.
Very high opinion of yourself don't you?
Philosophy reading? What seems relevant to you here?
Nietzsche, Plato, Aristotle, Rand?
I've read a fair few philosophy papers in my time. Not many of them cover the precise and complex world of animal cruelty though. They all seem more obsessed with the nature of being really.
Perhaps you meant behavioural psychology though? Seeing as that is more topic appropriate.
@dathwampeer "could seriously hurt a human if it got agitated enough" I wish it would! Starting with the people who forced the poor thing to do this, then on to the people who think this form of sadistic cruelty is good.
Animals generally live in captivity a lot longer and a lot happier than they do in the wild. Because of medical care and a well measured diet. Not to mention that they aren't at risk of predators anymore.
Putting them on a chain is for human safety.
We see dogs on leashes all the time and it doesn't bother us. How do you think we domesticated dogs?
@dathwampeer you obviously haven't really looked into how dogs became domesticated. and it is not true that such wild animals live longer in captivity. even so id rather live freely in the wild than imprisoned in captivity despite a few less years of life
@NiangoChan That post pretty much moots any argument you have.
That is how dogs were domesticated you nonce. Animals aren't just born in captivity magically.
All modern breeds of dog can be traced back to one species. We captured them, trained them to hunt with us in exchange for safety and food. Then selective breeding and thousands upon thousands of years lead to the hundreds of breeds of dogs we have today.
@NiangoChan You assumed I'm not versed in philosophy (from what evidence I don't know.) and that that somehow meant I wasn't worthy of talking to you.
1: I'm actually pretty interested in philosophy.
2: Reading general philosophy has nothing to do with what I was saying.
Treating a monkey like this is no different from how dogs are treated in shows. But because we're used to seeing a dog dance for our amusement it doesn't shock us like this.
2: All you said was that I was wrong and gave no reason as to why.
3: You told me to go read more philosophy.
4: If by generic you mean worth reading, then yes.
5: I'm arguing that this video shows no actual signs of abusive behaviour. A chain=/=abuse.
6: There are plenty of monkeys in captivity. An animal ceases to be wild when it's born in captivity. Most animals in zoo's etc aren't captured anymore.
@dathwampeer everything. specifically the domestification of dogs. that animals born in captivity are not considered wild. and of course selective breeding has resulted in domestification, but that's not something that was mentioned here
@NiangoChan I don't care about what is considered. If it's not born in the wild, it's not wild. Most animals that are still considered to be wild are 3-4 generations born in captivity. If you released them into the wild they wouldn't last a week.
Selective breeding is a result of domestication (at-least in dogs) not the other way around and I never said otherwise.
@dathwampeer this conversation is over because you have the reasoning capacity of a child. as i've said, ive done extensive research into every subject that has been mentioned here. dont expect others to present a simplification of information which they have put effort into finding for themselves, when you can do just the same
@NiangoChan And don't expect people to believe what you say without showing a even a shred of proof that you've done more than google 'animals' then claim yourself an expert.
I've read a lot of material on the subject and can tell you that if you disagree with the majority of what I said, you don't know as much as you think.
@dathwampeer i've actually asserted very few things in this conversation. you need to learn how to think for yourself, building on sound and valid principles
@NiangoChan All you do is talk in circles and ignore what I'm saying.
What you're expecting me to believe is that you've done any research into this. And you have given me no reason to. You're claiming that the most accepted theory on domestication is incorrect without telling me why.
You see how this presents a problem for anyone with even the smallest amount of rationality.
@signaturemover obviously im not talking about wolves then, right? please don't try to be smart when youre so stupid. you just make yourself look even worse
Actually disgusting. Animals were not created to be chained up and made to do push ups, makes me sick that people can do this- where are their morals?
And so all "easterners make me sick"? Well all these comments are racist, and are plainly generalizations and stereotyping. Should I then make a generalization, and stereotype all Westerners as racist, and are people who like to generalize?
I certainly do not mean to pick a quarrel, just giving my two cents worth. If you would like to reply to this little message, please feel free to do so, but think through it first instead of letting your racist tendencies take over. Cheers.
These comments are plainly generalizing and stereotyping... Shall I then start to generalize and stereotype that all Westerners are racist, and like to generalize and stereotype?
I am not meaning to pick a quarrel or anything like that, just giving my two cents worth. If you have anything to say about what I have typed, I am happy to read it, but let it be processed by your head first, be calm and reasonable, and don't let racist tendencies take over. Thanks.
That is animal abuse and it is bad. I am Asian and I take issue with the various racist comments posted here. Firstly, the guy in the video, while Asian, could possibly be merely an Asian worker in a Western zoo, couldn't he? Furthermore, he is only an employee, I am sure that it is not his idea to do such a thing.
The most preposterous thing is that people on youtube then decide to make comments such as "Asian barbarians" and the like...
@asomeman1223 Excuse me? So you' r saying it's right for them to be chained up? And obvously they have trained it...When i can assure you the monkey would LOVE to be FREE in the WILD. So before you comment, Think. Thanks dumb shit.
that monkey aint changed up.......he wasent even born in wild,thats like putting a cat in a a animale from zoo in wild(you can get a monke yfrom wild only ones that where orn not in wild)
@asomeman1223 Wow ur blind, What is that long "chain" coming off he's neck? So clearly it is "CHAINED" up. Btw before you comment learn to spell. "change?" It's "chained" babes. & How do you know it wasn't born in the wild? Are you there? No? Well then fuck off.
. it look like it was taken out of the wild as BABY. In-fact if it was taken as baby(which looks like it because it not old and it looks like its been living with humans for not even year)or been taking out of store..(It couldn't of been taken out of wild because if it was near adult hood it could not have been tamed because it takes about 2-4 years to tame it if near adulthood in wild and THIS MONKEY IS YOUNG.About 1 year old and this is Asia.monkeys are common pets,observe before comment.
@asomeman1223 Omg dude im on about chaining him UP! jeeez NO animal should be chained up, If its not tamed then tuff take ur time to chain it, Until then dont put it on show. So go away now dude and stop giving me useless shit.
It's not cruel because their muscles function better than ours, so he can do them a lot easier without pain. He is much stronger than we are so that's very easy for him. The way Monkeys muscles are built makes them incredibly flexible and strong.
Can you feel the spark that ignites within you? That is because you feel what this animal feels. You are him when you place yourself there and see through the same eyes. When we have compassion and empathy for all beings of this world we know what is right and what is wrong.
it looks bad cuz he got it on a chain so there s defo smth wrong with this picture! i mean when u train a dog u dun put it on chain. i dun got anything against training the monkeys but i do have smth against that chain. it only says one thing to me, abuse! am sure they cud make more money selling their nasty asses rather than abusing these creatures.
on the other hand its human abuse to make people work, i know i wouldnt work if i didnt have to and others wouldnt either, that monkey is just earning his food, most pets have way better lives than the ones in the wilderness
why is it animal abuse to train a monkey but it isnt child abuse to send tour children to school or to potty train them, or whatever
i see alot of animal talk about them being abused, i bet parents are abusing their children when they are sending them to school because NO child enjoys school, its child abuse when you make them do their homework as well because nobody enjoys that, it's child abuse to teach toddlers to walk because they don't look like they enjoy that, its child abuse to make your kids go to bed before midnight
but i don't expect these morons to realize that for themselvs, they are just cliche machines
when he was counting he missed 9
nolancf00 2 months ago
no, hes just fucking ants as usually :P
Rakaloe 5 months ago
lol awesome cute video!! I like the one where they're playing the guitar better XD
LunatikTokyo 5 months ago
that black man doing the pushups is pretty short
zrx7769 6 months ago
Girl push ups don't count... weak
AcrBeatsM16 6 months ago 2
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i like bruno mars "Lazy song" with his monkey dancing friends better. check it out
RanFutubuki 7 months ago
what a fucking dishonest way to make a living.
jimmyshitbags 7 months ago
how da fuck did i get to this
therealsavageinc 8 months ago
those are fuckin girl push ups, his knees are touching the ground.
supajive 8 months ago 2
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Gllfreak 8 months ago
thats not nice for the monkey it's on chains and it's legs and being pinned to the ground...
petypoopoo 8 months ago
@petypoopoo thats how i do pushups
randumbtimes3 8 months ago
Wait til they give them a uniform and weapons and send them overseas
asthenia166 8 months ago
bad form
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filipinjo95 9 months ago
@mitchly...wtf. and a dog is different from a wolf or a monkey because he has been domesticated over a long span of time. hes no longer a wild animal. unless he's one of those dogs mixed with wolves etc.
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan I'm not going to argue with you, or dathwampeer either; All I'm saying is, and obviously this is my own opinion and I'm severly out numbered here but.....I think it's cruel and I'd rather see the Monkey swinging about in the trees with it's family where I think it should be, rather than be forced to perform tricks for humans entertainment. That's all. My own opinion. But, I hope other people share it with me. I'm sure they do. Billy. UK
mitchly 9 months ago
@mitchly I agree with you
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@mitchly i agree with you
Ollychamberlain 7 months ago
How badly do they have to beat these monkeys in order to make them perform these tricks?
stevedensmore 9 months ago
@stevedensmore About as badly as they beat dogs to do tricks too.
I think you'll find incentive is a much bigger motivator than fear.
They probably feed it a treat when it does well.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
LOL
verosa45 9 months ago
I cant disagree with you. I have jumped to the conclusion that the people are cruel because the monkey shouldn't be there in the first place, it should be in the wild where it belongs. Strangely enough, if it were a human that was forced to do this against it's will (same as the monkey) I'd love it, even pay to see it probably. I'm weird like that. Seriously, if the monkey had a choice, I think I know where it would rather be and what it would rather be doing. Thanks for your reply.
mitchly 9 months ago
@mitchly No animals natural environment is in captivity. But we're just more accustomed to seeing some in it than others. We assume that because a monkey is quite exotic, (to westerners) that it's cruel for it to domesticate it.
Dogs where all wild once, as were cats, hamsters, rabbits. etc.
Yet somehow training a dog to do tricks whilst on a leash is almost universally acceptable. But doing the exact same thing to monkey is animal cruelty.
Surely you can see the logic fail here?
dathwampeer 9 months ago
Who knew Macaque was so talented?
MasterYinko 10 months ago
BIG DEAL. I can do more push ups than that monkey.
Z3rk 10 months ago
fuck ya should of kicked the shit outta the monkey after the workout to for fun hahahaha fucking monkey
cstewart2008 10 months ago
really people? animal abuse? ive seen much worse done to animals than this, and people are right, the chain is in case the monkey gets away, like a dog lease, not some fucked up bdsm chain monkey fetish. so quit whining you pansies, go watch people cut animal limbs off or watch animals get beaten by clubs for barking before you whine about "cruelty" i do 100 push ups every morning then again at night to stay in shape. self cruelty?
ingles13931 10 months ago 44
@ingles13931 well that's your choice. yes ive seen much worse than this, but there are degrees of animal abuse. and this is included
NiangoChan 10 months ago
@ingles13931 your a liar, we both know this. . . .
jimtheadoremorrison 7 months ago
@ingles13931 just because you can think of other ways of abusing an animal, that doesn't mean this video is not animal cruelty. That would be a pretty illogical way of thinking.
Ollychamberlain 7 months ago
@ingles13931 Not to mention that monkeys have MUCH more muscle fibres... They can do like 500 pushups before getting tired I bet lol...
K4inan 7 months ago
@ingles13931 The thing is, you choose to do pushups. Someone doesn't chain you and force you to do them. You don't have a chain keeping you from leaving. That monkey is alive, and has no reason to be chained and kept somewhere it doesn't want to be, to do something it doesn't want to do. That's still animal cruelty right there.
shrimpypunk 7 months ago
@shrimpypunk My dogs are given the same food everyday, feed from a dish placed on ground, and sleep on the ground, but they also get pet, loved and adored. This is their life, and this is how it is for them because they dont contribute anything to maintain the household, work, prepare food, nothing. This monkey is not being abused, its not crying out, its job is to do 10 woman-push-ups and get treats for doing so. I worked 8-10 hours a day, and this monkey does 10 push-ups... wtf.
CelticPoison 6 months ago
@shrimpypunk The monksey is chained so it doesnt run away. And besides if this was really animal abuse the monkey woul dbe trying to run away
marcoge100 6 months ago
@marcoge100 Maybe it learned not to run away once it was punished for trying. Monkey's aren't that stupid. Once you get hit or starved for trying to run away, you learn not to try.
shrimpypunk 6 months ago
@ingles13931 you haven't seen what these monkeys had to endure and live in? go on websites for yourself to see what people who have actually been here commented about what happened at the place and the state of the places they had to live in, YEP THAT IS ANIMAL ABUSE
hannahrobinson92 6 months ago
@hannahrobinson92 my family comes from a third world country, El Salvador, before the 80's, peasants were treated like animals, and during the 80's, we had a civil war. the Salvodoran government, backed by Reagan's presidency, and US troops, did things to accused "rebels"; government death squads, dead rebels and soldiers along roads, gas bombs, etc. look up the movie Voces Innocentes, and look up what my people had to endure and live in, then tell me i havent seen bad conditions
ingles13931 6 months ago
@ingles13931 what the fuck has tht gotta do with these monkeys? there's diff types of animal abuse and cruelty this is one of them, just cos you don't see them getting beat up doesn't mean they don't and they should be out in the wild either way not being used for entertainment! sorry but your story is completely irrelevant.
hannahrobinson92 6 months ago
@hannahrobinson92 i mean there is still evidence of the war, as in homeless war veterans with missing limbs, and there are animals that arent pampered like you say they should, and i have my priorities straight, help my fellow humans in need over animals. once we all live comfortably as you, then we can stop animal abuse.
ingles13931 6 months ago
@hannahrobinson92 and anyways of course you ignore all the humans rights abuses that went on during the war, which killed a couple of my uncles and family friends, and some govt officials are still on trial for abuses during the war, which started about 30 years ago. and trust me, those people in india wouldnt do this if they could get a job. so donate money to education of third world countries, it will help many poor people, and it will "save" your precious monkeys if thats all you care about.
ingles13931 6 months ago
@ingles13931 no i didn't ignore it but there's alot of help for humans nowadays and hardly any for animals, it's my right to help whoever and whatever i want, i don't hurt humans but i care more about animals yes, what's wrong with that? most people in this world care more about humans! and no i hardly doubt it i don't believe in them donations thing and that they seem to do anything there was a programme about them the other day saying how most don't actually go to the right places
hannahrobinson92 6 months ago
@hannahrobinson92 you are truely ignorant and insensitive. i see you are from the UK, a 1st world country. i dont know if youve ever seen 1st hand poverty, but its bad in 3rd world countries. honestly if this guy could get a better job, he would. and in india they dont have enough money to go buy their monkey a crystal palace. and you are insensitive because you are telling me you dont care about how my family was killed, but the us ignored it. think about your family. PETA motherfucker.
ingles13931 6 months ago
@ingles13931 hardly ignorant, ooh big woop am from the UK! i also don't really support PETA either "mother fucker". i can care about what i want, just like you don't give a shit about this monkey? i don't give a shit about people who don't give a shit about that!
hannahrobinson92 6 months ago
@hannahrobinson92 Right, and this is why I don't give a shit about "animal activists", I'm too busy trying to help my family survive. I do care about this monkey, and all animals, but I actually know how it is to be living in poverty, and you have shown how ignorant you are with your comments. However, I have probably done more than you have. To much to list. What have you done? P.S. Look up "El Mozote" and if you still don't give a fuck, I'm done arguing.
ingles13931 6 months ago
@ingles13931
Two wrong don't make a right. Just because there's worst things going on doesn't mean this thing depicted in the video is not cruelty. IT IS. The owner probably made de monkey pass through a tiring and stressful training so people can be amazed and make witty comments on youtube. If you are right, people could advocate horrible things, like rape, by simply mentioning the holocaust. "There's stuff worst than rape people, don't be pandy."
vipercannonmafia 6 months ago
@ingles13931 you do push ups because you can as do I, the monkey does push ups because he has no choice!
kpnutswales 4 months ago
@kpnutswales Good point. I'm done with arguing over this video, but I belive to help those monkeys, you need to help the people. They are only doing it because they need the money, and this is a way to make ends meet for them. If we help them, they won't have to do this. You may or may not care, so I'm not trying to shove my ideals down your throat.
ingles13931 4 months ago
@ingles13931 i dont think you do 100 push ups..
izze97 3 months ago
@izze97 It is called training. I didn't just pull 100 push ups out of my ass, but since I worked hard, and keep doing them every day, I can. Believe what you want though, I'm not going to force anything on you.
ingles13931 3 months ago
@ingles13931 thats a good attitude actually i mean i thought you were gonna get pissed of as lot of people do
izze97 3 months ago
Lol its a show so he has to have a chain to him, the chain isnt connected to anything. CHILL THE FUCK DOWN!
NiTuJHGTkO 10 months ago
I love how everyones an animal activist on here.
You don't let any primate out without some sort of leash if it's near people.
Even one that small could seriously hurt a human if it got agitated enough.
Stop jumping to conclusions.
dathwampeer 10 months ago
@dathwampeer then those people shouldn't have it in the first place
NiangoChan 10 months ago
@NiangoChan Why? Because you say so?
Who are you to tell another country how to look after animals? If you don't think this is acceptable, fine, do something about it.
Armchair activists bug me.
dathwampeer 10 months ago
@dathwampeer because unlike you i have a sense of morality and intelligence. morality is not relative. this monkey deserves the same treatment as any other
NiangoChan 10 months ago
@NiangoChan A sense of intelligence? Wow. What's that like?
And morality IS relative you absolute berk.
dathwampeer 10 months ago
@dathwampeer umm no its not. do some philosophy reading before you feel you deserve to talk to someone such as myself
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan LOL
You gave me the biggest laugh I've had in a while. Well done.
Very high opinion of yourself don't you?
Philosophy reading? What seems relevant to you here?
Nietzsche, Plato, Aristotle, Rand?
I've read a fair few philosophy papers in my time. Not many of them cover the precise and complex world of animal cruelty though. They all seem more obsessed with the nature of being really.
Perhaps you meant behavioural psychology though? Seeing as that is more topic appropriate.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer lolz thank you. i also gave myself the biggest laugh
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan
So you laughed at your own misplaced arrogance aswell?
Zippy for you I suppose.
You did sound like a supreme twat in that post. Especially hen you realise what you where saying had pretty much no relevance to the conversation.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer and 2. you have no idea what i do
NiangoChan 10 months ago
@dathwampeer furthermore, even if dogs were domesticated that way, which is not true, a wrong in the past does not justify a wrong today
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@dathwampeer "could seriously hurt a human if it got agitated enough" I wish it would! Starting with the people who forced the poor thing to do this, then on to the people who think this form of sadistic cruelty is good.
mitchly 9 months ago
@mitchly And for you. Clubs were invented.
Honestly. You see a chain and you jump to the conclusion that the people are cruel.
Well done. Now go picket outside dog shows and horse riding schools. Because they're doing exactly the same thing.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer well obviously animals don't belong on chains
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan Why?
Animals generally live in captivity a lot longer and a lot happier than they do in the wild. Because of medical care and a well measured diet. Not to mention that they aren't at risk of predators anymore.
Putting them on a chain is for human safety.
We see dogs on leashes all the time and it doesn't bother us. How do you think we domesticated dogs?
We captured them from the wild and trained them.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer you obviously haven't really looked into how dogs became domesticated. and it is not true that such wild animals live longer in captivity. even so id rather live freely in the wild than imprisoned in captivity despite a few less years of life
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan That post pretty much moots any argument you have.
That is how dogs were domesticated you nonce. Animals aren't just born in captivity magically.
All modern breeds of dog can be traced back to one species. We captured them, trained them to hunt with us in exchange for safety and food. Then selective breeding and thousands upon thousands of years lead to the hundreds of breeds of dogs we have today.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer actually you just misunderstood my comment
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan You assumed I'm not versed in philosophy (from what evidence I don't know.) and that that somehow meant I wasn't worthy of talking to you.
1: I'm actually pretty interested in philosophy.
2: Reading general philosophy has nothing to do with what I was saying.
Treating a monkey like this is no different from how dogs are treated in shows. But because we're used to seeing a dog dance for our amusement it doesn't shock us like this.
You simply have a childish grasp on morality.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer lmao.
1. you continue to misunderstand my statement
2. i was referring to absolute vs. relative morality in my comment not animal cruelty
3. i never assumed you weren't interested in philosophy
4. from your list of highly generic philosophers i can see that you really do not have much philosophic background
5. youre arguing that this video is not wrong because you believe dog shows are not wrong when that is highly debateable
6. a monkey is a wild animal. a dog is not
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan 1: No I don't.
2: All you said was that I was wrong and gave no reason as to why.
3: You told me to go read more philosophy.
4: If by generic you mean worth reading, then yes.
5: I'm arguing that this video shows no actual signs of abusive behaviour. A chain=/=abuse.
6: There are plenty of monkeys in captivity. An animal ceases to be wild when it's born in captivity. Most animals in zoo's etc aren't captured anymore.
How do you think animals become domesticated?
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer i've done plenty of research into all the nonsense that you are spewing here. you can do the same
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan What nonsense is that?
There are a fair few subjects flying around here. What are you actually talking about?
The selective breeding of dogs is the accepted theory.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer everything. specifically the domestification of dogs. that animals born in captivity are not considered wild. and of course selective breeding has resulted in domestification, but that's not something that was mentioned here
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan I don't care about what is considered. If it's not born in the wild, it's not wild. Most animals that are still considered to be wild are 3-4 generations born in captivity. If you released them into the wild they wouldn't last a week.
Selective breeding is a result of domestication (at-least in dogs) not the other way around and I never said otherwise.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer you have a lot of growing up to do
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan I notice when people don't have a genuine point to make or a rebuttal to give, they resort to cli-che'd insults in an attempt to end it.
Either give reasons for your claims or don't show up at all.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@dathwampeer this conversation is over because you have the reasoning capacity of a child. as i've said, ive done extensive research into every subject that has been mentioned here. dont expect others to present a simplification of information which they have put effort into finding for themselves, when you can do just the same
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan And don't expect people to believe what you say without showing a even a shred of proof that you've done more than google 'animals' then claim yourself an expert.
I've read a lot of material on the subject and can tell you that if you disagree with the majority of what I said, you don't know as much as you think.
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NiangoChan 9 months ago
@dathwampeer i've actually asserted very few things in this conversation. you need to learn how to think for yourself, building on sound and valid principles
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan All you do is talk in circles and ignore what I'm saying.
What you're expecting me to believe is that you've done any research into this. And you have given me no reason to. You're claiming that the most accepted theory on domestication is incorrect without telling me why.
You see how this presents a problem for anyone with even the smallest amount of rationality.
dathwampeer 9 months ago
@NiangoChan
there are different types of dogs. wolves are wild. chihuahuas arent, unless they are raised in the wild.
signaturemover 9 months ago
@signaturemover obviously im not talking about wolves then, right? please don't try to be smart when youre so stupid. you just make yourself look even worse
NiangoChan 9 months ago
@NiangoChan
i admit i look stupid. now, admitting it even made me stupider! and mispelling stupider even made me more stupid!!!
Please.
One of your reasons doesnt need a major correction, but its worth correcting.
oh, that sentence didnt make sence! i guess im stupid again!
signaturemover 9 months ago
the monkey cheated with girl push-ups
daphnebabb 10 months ago
the monkey cheated
daphnebabb 10 months ago
wtf. poor monkey. that may appear funny but is not.
bekesir12 11 months ago
Cruel. It's a chain and doesn't have any freedom.
tambokate 11 months ago
I can't help but wonder what methods they used in training it to do that.
Arikiel 11 months ago
hes pledging, loool
bnjmnwng 1 year ago
wouldve been better watching the monkey making the sub-human do push ups while tied to a chain.....
CookedUnit 1 year ago 25
@CookedUnit Sorry, I only just read your comment but....Hell Yeah!!!!!! I agree! And so do loads of others. Why can't we get this cruelty stopped?
Billy. UK
mitchly 9 months ago
he is a communist monkey,he had his family assasinated before he was forced to do this
djenthead 1 year ago
not gonna lie pretty amazing... but damn.
TREYmichaels 1 year ago
this is so not cute..pure animal abuse right there
chizzygirl18 1 year ago
I didnt want to learn piano when i was young but now im glad i did cause i can do something a lot of other humans can't do.
iannowacki 1 year ago
Actually disgusting. Animals were not created to be chained up and made to do push ups, makes me sick that people can do this- where are their morals?
Higgs008 1 year ago
And so all "easterners make me sick"? Well all these comments are racist, and are plainly generalizations and stereotyping. Should I then make a generalization, and stereotype all Westerners as racist, and are people who like to generalize?
I certainly do not mean to pick a quarrel, just giving my two cents worth. If you would like to reply to this little message, please feel free to do so, but think through it first instead of letting your racist tendencies take over. Cheers.
Museboyxx 1 year ago
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These comments are plainly generalizing and stereotyping... Shall I then start to generalize and stereotype that all Westerners are racist, and like to generalize and stereotype?
I am not meaning to pick a quarrel or anything like that, just giving my two cents worth. If you have anything to say about what I have typed, I am happy to read it, but let it be processed by your head first, be calm and reasonable, and don't let racist tendencies take over. Thanks.
Museboyxx 1 year ago
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Museboyxx 1 year ago
That is animal abuse and it is bad. I am Asian and I take issue with the various racist comments posted here. Firstly, the guy in the video, while Asian, could possibly be merely an Asian worker in a Western zoo, couldn't he? Furthermore, he is only an employee, I am sure that it is not his idea to do such a thing.
The most preposterous thing is that people on youtube then decide to make comments such as "Asian barbarians" and the like...
Museboyxx 1 year ago
little slave monkey :(
DeadBeatBlast 1 year ago
Asian barbarians.
PompousFlea 1 year ago
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u idiots dont see that hes tired all say is One Tow Treh Fiour
robertstojs 1 year ago
u idiots dont see that hes tired all i say is One Tow Treh Fiour
robertstojs 1 year ago
sick as fuck. That animal is being held down in a chain. You easterners make me sick.
martintod2006 1 year ago
I don't think any of you understand the gravity of the term "animal abuse." This is just in fun, like teaching your dog to roll over.
nicknkub 1 year ago
kill that asian ballsack eater
nugg69 1 year ago
A poem 4 all U If a redneck rides a bull is awesome but if an random asian teach a trick to a monkey is awfull.
cutiko 1 year ago
Watch out you might get it to strong so it kicks your asses
Twistedpung1 1 year ago
why fuck is he chained animal abuse bitch free him
lance1236451 1 year ago
does not looks like push ups to me o_O
rasmusbeggar 1 year ago
gif the monkey his life back!
1sjirk1 1 year ago 2
That is horrible, People like that should be shot.
HabboHacksta 1 year ago
@HabboHacksta
Your a dumbshit,he is not making the monkey do push ups,the monkey is doing push ups,total dips hits like you should shut up
asomeman1223 1 year ago
@asomeman1223 Excuse me? So you' r saying it's right for them to be chained up? And obvously they have trained it...When i can assure you the monkey would LOVE to be FREE in the WILD. So before you comment, Think. Thanks dumb shit.
HabboHacksta 1 year ago
@HabboHacksta
that monkey aint changed up.......he wasent even born in wild,thats like putting a cat in a a animale from zoo in wild(you can get a monke yfrom wild only ones that where orn not in wild)
asomeman1223 1 year ago
@asomeman1223 Wow ur blind, What is that long "chain" coming off he's neck? So clearly it is "CHAINED" up. Btw before you comment learn to spell. "change?" It's "chained" babes. & How do you know it wasn't born in the wild? Are you there? No? Well then fuck off.
HabboHacksta 1 year ago
. it look like it was taken out of the wild as BABY. In-fact if it was taken as baby(which looks like it because it not old and it looks like its been living with humans for not even year)or been taking out of store..(It couldn't of been taken out of wild because if it was near adult hood it could not have been tamed because it takes about 2-4 years to tame it if near adulthood in wild and THIS MONKEY IS YOUNG.About 1 year old and this is Asia.monkeys are common pets,observe before comment.
asomeman1223 1 year ago
@asomeman1223 Omg dude im on about chaining him UP! jeeez NO animal should be chained up, If its not tamed then tuff take ur time to chain it, Until then dont put it on show. So go away now dude and stop giving me useless shit.
HabboHacksta 1 year ago
@HabboHacksta
my dog is tamed and it has a fence around it...........that chain is basically a fence or rope(chains look more harsh than ropes but same thing)
asomeman1223 1 year ago
@asomeman1223 Well its still around its neck!
HabboHacksta 1 year ago
Take the chains from him & see how he performs for you all then.
People are so stupid. Slavery is not natural you morons.
darrenpollard1st 1 year ago
Take the chains from him & see how he performs for you all then.
People are so stupid. Slavery is not natural you morons.
darrenpollard1st 1 year ago
good fitness
khaledmome 1 year ago
cruel people. He's on a chain and some idiot is holding his legs..
jadedianthe 1 year ago
This monkey is better me
linkster9010 1 year ago
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thats bull shit he dont want to be doing tat
preston9ful 1 year ago
thats bull shit he dont want to be doing that
preston9ful 1 year ago
I love it!!!! :)
Jena7896 1 year ago
I doubt they use cruel methods teach it. Reward is a more effective method than punishment
Walabinx 1 year ago
thats amazing
johnburnett100 1 year ago
I like the cut of that monkey's rip.
GeneralCane 1 year ago
@GeneralCane eh why not the same
MrRoderik3000 1 year ago
why would anyone chain up an animal?
anandaostii 1 year ago
@anandaostii u chain up ur dog???
loginname7 1 year ago
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@loginname7 Why would you chain up your dog?!
HaniiPuppy 1 year ago
It's still on a fucking chain though.
pea6 1 year ago 56
@pea6 so are so many other animals on this earth from big cats to your common household dog. where is the crime now
loginname7 1 year ago
@loginname7 I merely repeat my original comment and add that it doesn't make it right.
pea6 1 year ago
chuck norris' pet monkey.
thammerle89 1 year ago 3
It's not cruel because their muscles function better than ours, so he can do them a lot easier without pain. He is much stronger than we are so that's very easy for him. The way Monkeys muscles are built makes them incredibly flexible and strong.
nesnaj21 1 year ago
they should make monkeys weightlight, i wanna see a monkey vs a gorilla!
lucirz 1 year ago
only nine, cause after 10th time he beat the sh!* out of that guy who is holding his legs.
xYukicore777 1 year ago 2
Lmfao
NiKeSbDuNkiN 1 year ago
poor thing
patronmelvin 1 year ago
I hope one day he will be strong enough to kill all these motherf*****
Ozymandia13 1 year ago
@xFLeeGZx its cruel because he has a chain on him.
100JASmithy100 1 year ago
he training to beat up chuck nores
wtfboy32 1 year ago
poor litle monkey :( wtf why?
janoshrasok 1 year ago
how could u think this is cool!! poor thing!!
MrMikeeg3 1 year ago
Hes just gently holding his legs down else they wouldn't stay down, thus not giving us this push up show
Kilowarning2 1 year ago
what the fuck??
jakeencpd 1 year ago
thats nasty :(
zorlac88 1 year ago
Can you feel the spark that ignites within you? That is because you feel what this animal feels. You are him when you place yourself there and see through the same eyes. When we have compassion and empathy for all beings of this world we know what is right and what is wrong.
mordsith05 1 year ago
it looks bad cuz he got it on a chain so there s defo smth wrong with this picture! i mean when u train a dog u dun put it on chain. i dun got anything against training the monkeys but i do have smth against that chain. it only says one thing to me, abuse! am sure they cud make more money selling their nasty asses rather than abusing these creatures.
smukase 1 year ago
What next? "waterboarding monkey"?
MrMoodang 1 year ago
horrible.
calkitten 1 year ago
because monkeys aren't strong enough
kingny17 1 year ago
on the other hand its human abuse to make people work, i know i wouldnt work if i didnt have to and others wouldnt either, that monkey is just earning his food, most pets have way better lives than the ones in the wilderness
why is it animal abuse to train a monkey but it isnt child abuse to send tour children to school or to potty train them, or whatever
TheRiceOfEvil 1 year ago
i see alot of animal talk about them being abused, i bet parents are abusing their children when they are sending them to school because NO child enjoys school, its child abuse when you make them do their homework as well because nobody enjoys that, it's child abuse to teach toddlers to walk because they don't look like they enjoy that, its child abuse to make your kids go to bed before midnight
but i don't expect these morons to realize that for themselvs, they are just cliche machines
TheRiceOfEvil 1 year ago
the guy who holds the monkey is more animal than the monkey
mikekite19 1 year ago
that dosen't look like a happy monkey :/ poor thing
900922sep 1 year ago
I really dont think that the orangutang minds, honstly it probbaly enjoys it.
sulthus 1 year ago
poor monkey :(
maximilli111 1 year ago 2
fuck off! Why is it connected to USB???? Looks cruel to me, I doubt it said it wanted to do this!!!!!! Grow Up!!!
Stinkfist49 1 year ago 3
hahaha fayt monkey boy!!!
ynnub87 1 year ago
fucking animal abuse
mrjasonbuorne 1 year ago 61
@mrjasonbuorne not really they aint forcing him.
Liam0125 1 year ago
HOW CRUEL
wildnotmild1 1 year ago 4
omg he is in chains
cruel :(
SophiePatterson 1 year ago 4