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  • Why is everyone calling the call a moron he's defending the droid x ...he did the video to prove there's no death grip and even tho the bars went down he didn't lose the call ...he did it to show apple is the asshole

  • @redwizard27 yep, I am disproving what apple said, yet people only watch part of the video and think I am some apple fanboy, its quite funny.

  • I love my Droid X. And I love my iPhone too. Both phones are beyond awesome!!

  • Its impossible to death grip the droid x.. its too beast And pluss who the. *@%$ is going to hold a phone like that!!!!

  • oh, NOW I FUCKING HATE APPLE. by the way, steve jobs is a kook.

  • I dont unerstand why apple made such a deal about this phone and deathgrip.. i held it like they had it in the video and every way you can think of and i have big hands. I barely goes down by one bar if that..

  • @JG16778 your a funny guy. The DroidX does not suffer from deathgrip period, I still do not get why you posted against the video stating it does not do what this video says it does not do.

  • @JG16778

    why are you telling me this? I got a tip for you, go an actually watch my video instead of being a fool then comment back.

  • @JG16778

    Yes, there is no death grip on the DroidX. Whats your question again?

  • @JG16778

    so what are you saying? Are you agreeing with the video or what?

  • @JG16778

    Comebacks to what? The Droid X does not suffer from DeathGrip, if you say it does prove it.

  • What is with the Increase of morons trying to defend the DroidX, when I am in fact defending the DroidX?

  • @JG16778

    Is dude= Apple? I am not Apple.

  • Dude you sound like ur in the middle of nowhere. It's probably just ur sucky service. Shut up u don't know what your talking about

  • @warnotmything

    So you agree with Apples findings? That the DroidX suffers from Deathgrip?

  • dude, its cdma, cdma cant do 3g during phone calls, so it drops signal, get over it, you had to TRY to deathgrip it, who even can hold a phone like that for that long

  • @saintsallthewaybrees

    Who are you talking to? and Its not because of 3g dropping its, the diversity antenna.

  • Youre dumb buddy that doesnt even happen at all. How much is Steve paying you for this. What a cover up!

  • @frescoscar

    Who are you talking to?

  • That's weird. My friend's does this.

  • PS- thx for the vid!

  • Stop chewing gum plz. No one wants to hear you slurping over your own saliva

  • in any normal grip of the phone, including the one shown by apple, which is extreme, I couldn't get the signal to drop by more that one db.

  • the best way to test it is to just bring up the signal status in settings. I tested it, and even when gripping the entire bottom of the phone three largest signal drop I could induce was 6db. In andy

  • Way to be childish, Apple. How about fixing your own phone rather than attacking other ones?

  • I'm sorry but this doesn't prove *anything*. 3G networks are incredibly complex. For example, their cell sizes can grow and shrink depending on tower load. You have no idea of the exact attenuation or signal-to-noise ratio Apple had in the location where they did their test. Had you been in a worse signal area, your call WOULD have dropped. The Apple video shows holding the phone will attenuate the signal. If that signal is high, u get less bars. If it's already low, the call is dropped.

  • @deejsteriser

    real world testing, I replicated Apples video exactly. I also had less signal then they did to begin with.

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  • @deejsteriser

    Get me the SNR, dBm level , and Attenuation level of the apple test and let me know ill try the test again.

  • @tsslaporte I don't think you're seeing my point. It's *still* not as simple as a number or 3. You would need the handsets in the same location, on the same network forced to the same tower (this could be done with a micro-cell). THEN you may have a reasonable comparison.

  • @deejsteriser

    Why did you remove your comment.. hmm. I don't think YOU understand. I replicated the tests and proved it false. I don't need to do any more work, apple just showed the "bars" which you your self and I agree is the most unscientific way to measure signal strength. If they wanted to really test it they would put it into there state-of-the-art facilities that they talk about all the time now. But you want me a college student to do that?

  • @tsslaporte I removed two of my comment because I replied to the wrong comment. I haven't used the threaded view on youtube much. I cut and pasted them straight back in. I'll say it again - you haven't replicated the test because you're not in the same location as they were.

  • @deejsteriser

    Just keep digging man. 

  • The point of Apple's vids are that phones can lose signal if held a certain way. They never said anything about your call being dropped.

    Why doesn't anyone understand this?

  • @sc0pl355

    My signal loses a normal 8dBm,and that’s holding it in a really odd way, the iphone loses 24.6+ dBm while naturally holding it. That’s the problem. Everyone knows if you block the antenna you can lose some signal, but on the Iphone4 it practically Halts Voice and Data.

    This video is showing how Apples video is a bunch of BS as I still have plenty of signal. Apple should stop being dumb and test by signal strength not by the dummy bars.

  • @tsslaporte The complaints directed at Apple were over the iPhone 4 losing bars when held. Especially in a death grip, which is an unrealistic way to hold a phone too. You call their videos BS, but they aren't lying when they say that signal strength can be lost by holding the phone. They aren't digitally making the bars drop.

    "on the Iphone4 it practically Halts Voice and Data. "

    What's this then?

    watch?v=kQupUZOOIYc

  • @sc0pl355

    Forget death griping, or unrealistic ways of holding the phones, I am left handed and naturally holding the iphone 4 in my left hand not in any special way causes the issue.

  • @tsslaporte

    I don't recall asking you to buy an iPhone. All I said was that your vid is attacking Apple on shit that they never claimed and actually proves shit that they DO claim.

  • @sc0pl355

    I never said anything about buying an iPhone, I was stating what happens when a left handed user naturally uses the phone, I also never stated that they Apple claimed data and voice practically halt, I am stating what happens normally, go check the independent tests.

    Apple Claims bars drop, yes I got bars to drop but the signal never dropped nor did the data test show dramatic slow down, like it does on the iphone 4. Check watch?v=-_q4eVoyNDE

  • @tsslaporte "I got bars to drop but the signal never dropped nor did the data"

    Apple never claimed that your signal for your cellular or 3g data died out.

    Once again, you're attacking Apple on something that they never even claimed.

  • @sc0pl355 lol at "attacking Apple". oh poor Apple, they're being attacked, poor Stevie! No one can contradict THEIR VIDEOS ATTACKING OTHER PHONES, right? Right? Because Apple is a saint. Guess you missed all those years of "Mac vs PC" ads. Petty losers.

  • @sc0pl355

    when did I say they claimed it? Thats my commentary, go look at independent tests. Thats my source.

  • @tsslaporte By getting into the minutia of how much data is lost, you are making a claim that Apple claimed that their phones lost less or the same ammount of data, which they did not do.

    Your whole approach is a strawman argument.

    Apple only said that all phones drop bars. That's it. The didn't say a damn thing about data loss or dropped calls other than the iphone 4 lost more calls than the 3Gs.

  • @sc0pl355  I never claimed apple said that data and calls get dropped, again I was just simply stating what I read from independent testing from honorable sources. It also seems you are illiterate as I have written this statment for you two times now, do I need to draw a picture for you?

  • @tsslaporte " never claimed apple said that data and calls get dropped"

    Then what's the point in you making a video on the subject while using a screnshot from Apple's vid as a comparison?

    I mean, there was NOTHING in your video that has nothing to do With Apple's video, whatsoever. You even say in your video that your call hasn't been dropped. Apple never claimed that your call would drop. Yet, you defensively make a vid that shows that your call won't drop

    Apple's argument =/= your rebuttal

  • @sc0pl355 "Then what's the point in you making a video on the subject while using a screnshot from Apple's vid as a comparison?"

    Uh, I was using the screen shot to show I had my hand in the correct position.

    Yes, I said my call never dropped because there are no bars..... thus proving I really do have signal and "bars" dropping mean absolutely nothing, its just a software glitch. Which I proved by showing the dBm level in my other video.

  • @tsslaporte

    1) Why be so concerned with matching the grip that Apple uses if your vid isn't directed at anything that they said?

    2) Your phone measures bars DIFFERENTLY from other phones on the market. Like I said, bar measurements are not standardized. it isn't a software glitch, it is a different measurement entirely.

  • @sc0pl355

    1. Uh really? Who said that this video is not directed to Apple?

    2. Yes bars do measure differently from phone to phone, but the DroidX has a diversity antenna, The Android OS will take only the main antenna RSSI input, not the Diversity reading. Thus its a software issue

    Thus the Bars dropping do not mean anything. But apple thinks it means everything since they are posting videos, solely showing bars dropping.

  • @tsslaporte

    1) If the video is directed at Apple, then it is a strawman argument, as I stated.

    2) Apple never stated that bars dropping was everything. That's why your argument is a strawman. You're attacking them over shit they never said or claimed.

  • @sc0pl355 My comments are fact from independent testing there is/are no misrepresenting here at all, if your signal is around 88.4 dBm on your iP4 bridging the gap will probably cause data and voice outages, My phone was at -92dBm laying on the table and still working perfectly even when I tried to attenuate the signal, I got no data or voice degradation or interruption.

  • @tsslaporte I don't recall claiming that you misrepresented anything. I only stated that you are attacking apple on something THEY never claimed or stated, nothing more.

    Iphone4 still works at -92db too, so I don't know where you're going with the second half of your statement.

  • @sc0pl355

    If you bridge the gap at anything passed -90dBm around, you can loose ~24.6 dBm once you pass -113 dbm you loose connectivity. ie no service

    My statement that you are so focused on is my response to apples video as well, I am further discussing it by a comparison, between the Droid X and the iP4. The iP4 would of lost connection and possibly drop the call if I would of death gripped it if it was at the Same Signal as the Droid X.

  • @sc0pl355

    All phones experience attenuation of the signal, the whole point is that Apples choice in putting the antenna outside of the phone, is a design issue which they are trying to cover up by pointing fingers at other phones which experience a similar issue,but no were as bad, you can call it a strawman argument

  • @tsslaporte My take of apples ids are that apple came under fire for the bars dropping on their phones. When Steve Jobs stated that all phones can drop bars if held a certain way, he was flat out called a liar. On top of that, apples opponents were taking cheap shots at them in actual advertisements. Gotta expect a response.

    The fact is that, the ids that apple made, can only really be found if you go LOOKING for them. Apple hasn't made a single advertisement featuring the signal test footage.

  • @sc0pl355

    They have not made advertisement but they are spending the money to go out of there way to Video tape and post on their youtube page, how other phones have a similar issue rather then fixing the problem its self. In a Sense the iP4 is the only phone to experience the problem that bad all while holding the phone naturally. You might not hold it that way but alot of people do.

  • @tsslaporte Dude, I can make the same vids with almost no money. Do you really think apple is spending millions of dollars on those vids?

    Actually, I own a nokia, but I have used an iPhone before. No problems here. Interestingly enough, I hold my nokia the same way that they grip the droid x in their video. No dropped bars. Of course, my phone is a phone and not a smartphone, which I would imagine has less space for a robust antenna.

  • @sc0pl355

    You need to buy the devices or find someone who has it, they are most probably buying the devices. But either or they are putting some effort into it and some money.

  • @tsslaporte I have used the iPhone 4 I have also used the Evo4g among other phones. Neither phone gave me any real trouble, bro. Tho, I did not like the evo's interface. I don't have a reason to buy a smartphone as I have an ipad 3g which does EVERYTHING the iPhone does, aside from take pictures, obviously.

  • @sc0pl355

    I had the problem with the iphone4, I am a lefty and I hold the phone alot in my left hand, any how ATT is horrible down here with dropped calls regardless of the phone so I stayed on VZW.

  • @tsslaporte I can understand why you would have an issue. You're a lefty and you're in an area with bad AT&T reception.

    My AT&T reception is very good, however. In fact, this entire time, I have been responding from my iPad while on 3G.

  • @sc0pl355

    The reception is good here, but just driving down the highway with full signal I would get dropped calls. That was right after the Cingular/ATT merger so possibly they have fixed some of that by now, but VZW has been stellar.

  • @tsslaporte Thats cool. I think that CDMA is more stable than HSDPA. So it is little wonder as to why verizon gives better wireless service.

    Personally, I want to get a Sprint mobile broadband box, kinda like that thing that Verizon has. I'm really kind pised at AT&T for pulling the swtcharoo with their iPad service. Word is verizon is looking into doing the same thing. Really tired of phone companies trying to find a new way to nickel and dime their users.

  • @sc0pl355 Hey not to ruin your fun but Droid x is Verizon coverage.

  • @BellyHop94 Um, I know that it is verizon coverage. What does that have to do with how the phone measures bars?

    Nothing, that's what.

  • @sc0pl355 Okay just making sure.

  • @tsslaporte Apples vids are possible with the use of only one iphone or some other device with a digital camera.

    I find it hard to believe that they are spending any real money on those vids. Steve jobs' breakfast probably costs more. At most, they probably paid a hand model to handle the phones. But who wants to look at grimy unkempt fingernails?

  • @sc0pl355 "your vid is attacking Apple" HUH? He was trying to replicate the same conditions as in the Apple video. How is that "attacking Apple"? And what is Apple exactly doing with those videos if not attacking others in a issue that is not as severe as being reported for the iPhone 4 (dropping calls). You can't replicate iPhone 4's severity of dropping calls in other phones, that's why Apple is being petty as fuck, they can't fix their problem so they attack others.

  • Apple is waving its cock in the air. They will never fix it. That's why.

  • It's so sad that Apple advertised the new antenna as revolutionary and "magical", they failed miserably (AT&T already reported it drops more calls than the 3GS) and instead of admitting the flaw they're pointing fingers to other phones whose issues are far more limited (only drop bars with a full death grip but don't drop calls, the iPhone 4 drops calls even with one finger in the left corner and need a fucking bumper now)

    So a big FUCK YOU APPLE for acting so childish. I'm buying the Droid X

  • Try not to chew gum the next time you make a video!

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