BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
why are there two different versions of meikyo kata? One version (that one of the video), in the "uke" passages, has: 1) gedan barai 2) gedan barai 3) uchi uke An other version has: 1) gedan barai 2) uchi uke 3) age uchi - age uke Which one is the original shotokan version of Sensei G. Funakoshi? Thanks for any answere! Osu
I say this with total respect for Kanazawa Sensei. His performance is a little changed from original JKA version. His- #11 & #13 move is a middle outside block as apposed to a down block in JkA. His #19  moves are up block instead of middle blocks in JKA. I'm just wondering, did he change for his organization, as all the other JKA Masters teach the JKA version I suggested here.
@TheJonBoy72 Yes, as head of ISKF he made changes in certain kata, as well as developed kata of his own. Azai Sensei, on the other hand, kept the 26 kata the same, but implemented a whole new style with over 60 kata. Couldn't do that if they were still under JKA. They pretty much stick to the script passed down by Gichin Funakoshi and his son Gigo.
@deek77 - Thanks for reply. That just about answers other questions I had along same lines re: Jiin, Gojushio- sho & dai. My Sensei teaches traditional JKA. Thks again.
@TheJonBoy72 Most welcome, bro. It's always best to go with first-hand information from your own intstructors. But I can tell from your attention to detail that you're not a newbie to karate. Good to see. OSU!
@FlipUltraHD Yes it does start similar to Taikyoku Shodan, but that should be expected to some degree. All advanced kata and technique are rooted in the basics of the system in question. That's the one commonality in all of karate, or martial arts for that matter.
1- Beginners, KYU belts..you donot need to apply/perform this kata! its for higher than 3rd dan! but if you like it better to learn lower kata..however up to u!
2- Kanazawa Shihan has changed uchu oki to aguoki in this kata and he has no uriyachi in some moves....if you are anything than SKIF donot lern it from this clip..as many katas has been changed by Kanazawa Shihan- with respect.
Thank you for syaing this I am a beginner and get lessons from JKA sensei (a very very good one btw, I'm very honoured to have him as my sensei). Could you tell me the differences between the SKIF and JKA performance of this Kata?
Is it correct that he punches in Hanmi iso Shomen? Sorry, like I said beginner , only have a green belt :) Thanks in advance.
Sorry just saw your comment..with SKIF - Kanazawa Shihan has performed AguOki, but orginaly its AchuOki..and this Kata is followed by SKIF members only..
its not approved by WKF nor JKA (world karate federation) or JKA. so you better stick to JKA. I would be happy to answer any of ur questions-
In Shorin, this Kata's counterpart is just as difficult, but it is at the least a High Brown Belt Kata. I learned it at Green by watching Brown, and Black Belts. With effort, anything is possible.
I learnt this kata when i had a kyu grade, by paying attention when older people were doing it, it made me train harder, so i could get to their level. Although it isn't usually taught, if you pay attention 100% of the time in a mixed grade class you end up picking these advanced kata up. Before i had my shodan i knew perhaps 3 or 4 advanced kata that i went on to learn in more detail.
Actually I don't see the issue of a green belt learning advanced kata. Learning different kata may give them greater insights into their karate. Their understanding will evolve with time.
And some students may have had different style backgrounds too, so their 'maturity' may be of a different level than some.
@zedosix not really when u are learning katas i think it is handy to know the movements of the next one u will learn as well as it makes it easier for the person later on
@zedosix I disagree, as many karate styles still teach Heian Nidan first as Pinan Shodan. Gichin Funakoshi changed the order as he felt Heian Shodan was easier.
@karatefella its never to early to learn kata, if his sensei wants him to learn it than by all means he should learn it! im an orange belt but i practice karate everyday for at least an hour out side of normal dojo hours. ofcourse i know heian shodan, nidan, sandan and yondan. but look at tekki it has no technical reference to any other of the kata families so why not learn it right away. im currently practicing kanku dai and our neighboring goju-ryu dojo's sensei has offered to teach me seipai!
@chiluzzdia I'm a black belt in Shotokan, and I disagree. The kata are ordered for a reason: they build on each other and increase in difficulty. All of the Heians come out of Kanku Dai, which is why they are learned first and Kanku Dai is often the last kata before black belt. I admire your passion for karate-do, but remember patience: karate-do, as Funakoshi O Sensei taught, is a pursuit of a lifetime.
I agree, you should really stick with the Heian kata for now. Im only at 6th kyu and all I currently practice are the Heian Kata and Tekki Shodan. Remember, "Karate is a lifelong pursuit."
I am a Shodan in Shotokan and totally agree. This kata is far too advanced to learn for anyone at a kyu level. I have been training for over 10 years and still wont go near this kata. To the beginners eye it may look simple and do-able, but there are so many subtle details that have to be appreciated that you can only understand if you train properly ie: stick to the Heian Katas for now. As a white belt heian shodan and nidan should be done 1000 times till they are finally understood. Osu.
The meaning of Meikyo kata is Bright/Polished mirror of Mirror of the Soul. It will help you in your training if you know the meaning of the kata you are doing.
The meaning of Meikyo kata is Bright/Polished mirror or mirror of the soul. I train with Tak Kubota 10th dan Gosoku Ryu (Hard and Fast). We are in Glendale, Ca.
need to learn this kata, it was a great help;)
13hollz13 1 month ago
very good osssss!!!
academiadragaopnn 1 month ago
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BEST ANSWER on this subject: I do not like to get in the habit of saying one style is better than others. In regards to karate as a sport-I believe tournament compeition, that while it has some benefits, it does create a mindset and habits that will not work for actual combat. I also agree that when you can not attck the joints, eyes, throat, fingers, groin, etc that a true martial artist would not be able to effectively use their style.
pomminsu 1 month ago
TheWolfjr 3 months ago
Does any one know the name of that man performing the kata ??
medoduel 5 months ago
@medoduel his name his Hirokazu Kanazawa.
Chief Instructor, Shotokan Karate International Federation.
karatefella 4 months ago
Working on this kata - Meikyo
Karategillon 6 months ago
In my dojo there's only Taikyoku Shodan for white belt. Heian Shodan and Heian Nidan are for yellow.
Krzysztex 9 months ago
SteTheWickerman 1 year ago
Old style
francotiodio 1 year ago
I say this with total respect for Kanazawa Sensei. His performance is a little changed from original JKA version. His- #11 & #13 move is a middle outside block as apposed to a down block in JkA. His #19  moves are up block instead of middle blocks in JKA. I'm just wondering, did he change for his organization, as all the other JKA Masters teach the JKA version I suggested here.
TheJonBoy72 1 year ago
@TheJonBoy72 Yes, as head of ISKF he made changes in certain kata, as well as developed kata of his own. Azai Sensei, on the other hand, kept the 26 kata the same, but implemented a whole new style with over 60 kata. Couldn't do that if they were still under JKA. They pretty much stick to the script passed down by Gichin Funakoshi and his son Gigo.
deek77 1 year ago
@TheJonBoy72 Sorry, meant to say head of SKIF.
deek77 1 year ago
@deek77 - Thanks for reply. That just about answers other questions I had along same lines re: Jiin, Gojushio- sho & dai. My Sensei teaches traditional JKA. Thks again.
TheJonBoy72 1 year ago
@TheJonBoy72 Most welcome, bro. It's always best to go with first-hand information from your own intstructors. But I can tell from your attention to detail that you're not a newbie to karate. Good to see. OSU!
deek77 1 year ago
Has no - one said that the first four moves are exactly like Taikyoku Shodan?
FlipUltraHD 1 year ago
@FlipUltraHD Yes it does start similar to Taikyoku Shodan, but that should be expected to some degree. All advanced kata and technique are rooted in the basics of the system in question. That's the one commonality in all of karate, or martial arts for that matter.
deek77 1 year ago
PAY ATTENTION!!
1- Beginners, KYU belts..you donot need to apply/perform this kata! its for higher than 3rd dan! but if you like it better to learn lower kata..however up to u!
2- Kanazawa Shihan has changed uchu oki to aguoki in this kata and he has no uriyachi in some moves....if you are anything than SKIF donot lern it from this clip..as many katas has been changed by Kanazawa Shihan- with respect.
Have fun.
deadooo 2 years ago
Thank you for syaing this I am a beginner and get lessons from JKA sensei (a very very good one btw, I'm very honoured to have him as my sensei). Could you tell me the differences between the SKIF and JKA performance of this Kata?
Is it correct that he punches in Hanmi iso Shomen? Sorry, like I said beginner , only have a green belt :) Thanks in advance.
JazzyWous 2 years ago
Sorry just saw your comment..with SKIF - Kanazawa Shihan has performed AguOki, but orginaly its AchuOki..and this Kata is followed by SKIF members only..
its not approved by WKF nor JKA (world karate federation) or JKA. so you better stick to JKA. I would be happy to answer any of ur questions-
deadooo 2 years ago
I also know up to Gojushiho...
Battoubro 2 years ago
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MoisesDLaCruzShihan 2 years ago
In Shorin, this Kata's counterpart is just as difficult, but it is at the least a High Brown Belt Kata. I learned it at Green by watching Brown, and Black Belts. With effort, anything is possible.
Battoubro 2 years ago
Beautiful and advanced Kata
negoni08 2 years ago
I learnt this kata when i had a kyu grade, by paying attention when older people were doing it, it made me train harder, so i could get to their level. Although it isn't usually taught, if you pay attention 100% of the time in a mixed grade class you end up picking these advanced kata up. Before i had my shodan i knew perhaps 3 or 4 advanced kata that i went on to learn in more detail.
AlexScottSlough 2 years ago
I am of Shodan level going for Nidan.
So does anyone have any tips for learning this kata, because I would really like to grade with it.
sharpshootermaster 2 years ago
Very easy kata to learn, I was taught at shodan level and it was learned rather quickly compared to most katas.
zedosix 2 years ago
its a kata for 4th dan to 5th dan
your sensei is very good if h teach u that ^^
noune92 3 years ago 2
what belt kata is this cuz im white belt and my sensei teach me that
GhostDotClear 3 years ago
Why is your Sensei teaching you this Kata when you are just a white belt ??
Stick to Kihon, Heian Shodan and maybe Heian Nidan.
karatefella 3 years ago 16
One on our karate is green and know all katas up tu enpi. :S
Sidney600 3 years ago
Well, they shouldn't.
The waza of green belts are not up to the maturity that the advanced Kata require.
karatefella 3 years ago 3
Actually I don't see the issue of a green belt learning advanced kata. Learning different kata may give them greater insights into their karate. Their understanding will evolve with time.
And some students may have had different style backgrounds too, so their 'maturity' may be of a different level than some.
Age too may give better perspective.
robjomabri 3 years ago
I agree, but even Heian Nidan is too advanced for white belt.
zedosix 2 years ago 18
@zedosix not really when u are learning katas i think it is handy to know the movements of the next one u will learn as well as it makes it easier for the person later on
0iCeCoCaCOLa0 1 year ago
@zedosix I disagree, as many karate styles still teach Heian Nidan first as Pinan Shodan. Gichin Funakoshi changed the order as he felt Heian Shodan was easier.
onthekantrary 3 months ago
@karatefella its never to early to learn kata, if his sensei wants him to learn it than by all means he should learn it! im an orange belt but i practice karate everyday for at least an hour out side of normal dojo hours. ofcourse i know heian shodan, nidan, sandan and yondan. but look at tekki it has no technical reference to any other of the kata families so why not learn it right away. im currently practicing kanku dai and our neighboring goju-ryu dojo's sensei has offered to teach me seipai!
chiluzzdia 4 months ago
@chiluzzdia I'm a black belt in Shotokan, and I disagree. The kata are ordered for a reason: they build on each other and increase in difficulty. All of the Heians come out of Kanku Dai, which is why they are learned first and Kanku Dai is often the last kata before black belt. I admire your passion for karate-do, but remember patience: karate-do, as Funakoshi O Sensei taught, is a pursuit of a lifetime.
deosullivan3 2 months ago
I agree, you should really stick with the Heian kata for now. Im only at 6th kyu and all I currently practice are the Heian Kata and Tekki Shodan. Remember, "Karate is a lifelong pursuit."
UtahShotokan 3 years ago 2
I am a Shodan in Shotokan and totally agree. This kata is far too advanced to learn for anyone at a kyu level. I have been training for over 10 years and still wont go near this kata. To the beginners eye it may look simple and do-able, but there are so many subtle details that have to be appreciated that you can only understand if you train properly ie: stick to the Heian Katas for now. As a white belt heian shodan and nidan should be done 1000 times till they are finally understood. Osu.
Bulosan21 2 years ago 4
as well as meaning bright/polished mirror it also means "mind like water" - Mizu No Kokoro.
djmoscow 4 years ago
Eu sei faze MeiKyo
GahKARATE 5 years ago
The meaning of Meikyo kata is Bright/Polished mirror of Mirror of the Soul. It will help you in your training if you know the meaning of the kata you are doing.
earlwhelm 5 years ago
The meaning of Meikyo kata is Bright/Polished mirror or mirror of the soul. I train with Tak Kubota 10th dan Gosoku Ryu (Hard and Fast). We are in Glendale, Ca.
earlwhelm 5 years ago
What is the meaning of the name of this form?
Shaitan295 5 years ago
Bright/Polished mirror or Mirror of the Soul.
earlwhelm 5 years ago
Thanks!
Shaitan295 5 years ago
it also means "mind like water" - Mizu No Kokoro.
the concept is to have a peaceful undisturbed clear mind and awareness, like the surface of still water.
djmoscow 4 years ago