Kwilla2001 so sorry that the truth is so painful for you. The Leftist world-wide may fall for Islamist propaganda but fair-minded people with a functioning brain (especially those of us who have read the Qur'an) realize that no amount of words can fool us. We know what your plans are and daily more people are waking-up
actually , people who pretend to have read the Quran are so easy to spot. The question is how much of the Quran have you read. because if you only read what Mr. Shoebat and his backers wanted you to read than you have not read much. People are waking up , true, and some of them when they read the whole thing they find out how much of a fraud this guy is.
so he planted the bomb or tossed it on top of the roof?
The most important question is:how did a known "terrorist" ended up in America?
and how come someone with this guy's background in terrorism inside the US has not been arrested by the FBI or even investigated? I never heard of a terrorist being forgiven by the FBI coz he turned Christian.
The FBI did not have knowledge of their plans. until there is evidence they cannot arrest anyone.This guy in his website,blogs,and videos admits he was involved in terrorist activities including training some Jihadists in Chicago, when asked he said that he does not know their whereabouts right now.my question is:why isn't the FBI investigating him? and if he did so then how do we guarantee that none of the ppl he trained is not gonna hurt u or me or other US citizens?
@kwilla2001 There are many other people, islamic fundamentalist mainly in the US that writes, blogs and produce videos too. The FBI is not going to just arrest people because of their belief.
I'm not talking about arresting ppl because of their belief. I'm talking about investigating ppl who claim they were involved in training people who could be still roaming the streets of this country trying to harm US citizens. I think that's a legitimate request don't u think?
@kwilla2001 Well if the FBI is investigating, they wouldn't be telling you about it would they? If its just about investigating, how do you know they are already not on it? Remember the arrest they made of the 4 Yemenis who were plotting a bombing? They were clandestinely investigating them prior to their arrest.
he has been telling his story 4 years since the 90s.so it's not a matter of time.The other possibility is that the FBI had already checked him out(especially with how things have been since 911)and I assume that they did not find anything,meaning that his story is bogus.
The other thing is that if he is a known "ex" terrorist Israel would have never allowed him back in on a visit.Everybody who knows Israelis would say no way in hell.So his claim of terrorism in Israel is also bogus.
@kwilla2001 How did you get from the FBI not finding anything to his story being bogus? That flow of logic is incoherent.
Your claim about Israelis not allowing him also does not make sense. Why wouldn't Israel allow him back. Israel would even free convicted terrorist from jail, why wouldn't they let an ex-terrorist back?
the reason why I said so is because if they had found anything of his story to be true then he would have been in Gitmo by now don't u think? especially when he admitted in many of his videos and interviews on FOX that he trained the future wave of Jihadists. I was amazed that O'Reilly did not even ask him on the consequences of that training and how grave that could be on the lives of US citizens. I was shocked at how soft he was on him.really shocked!!
@kwilla2001 "what's the statute of limitation on something like that"
Nothing. He did not commit a crime, at least not in the United States. The only thing you get get him for would be the bombing of the Bank in Israel and the lynching of the Israeli soldier.
"Nothing. He did not commit a crime, at least not in the United States."
You don't call training terrorists for operations in the US a Crime?? This was his own confession in interviews just watch this interview with O'Reilly:
@kwilla2001 I don't know. US is a free country. If you train people to fight, that does not mean its a crime. Its only a crime when you commit a crime, not when you train to commit a crime. In other countries, he may be arrested via the internal security police. Too much freedom is not necessary a good thing.
I'll have to disagree, because some other people were training here and plotting to commit acts of terrorism in Somalia and Iraq were arrested by the FBI. the charge was conspiracy to commit terrorism. They don't wait for a crime to happen in these cases. Mr Shoebat was never charged with that eventhoguh he admits to it. The O'Reilly show interview and others could easily be used as evidence. I think if he were not a "Christian" convert he would be in jail by now.
@kwilla2001 "so you are saying tha the stoning of a woman regardless of the resaon is a way of life that is acceptable?"
Those people were probably on the "watch list" prior to their arrest and they actually have a plan to commit terrorism on a specific target/location. You can't just arrest someone just because they said they were ex-terrorists more than 20 years ago, at least not in America.
anti-terrorism has not started after 911. if this guy claimed to be ex-terrorist and trained ppl 4 terrorism who he said in O'Reilly video and others that he does not know their whereabouts then he should be charged with something. I'm actually shocked at the idea that u r trying to find excuses for this guy. I'm pretty sure that if another one pops up tomorrow claiming the same thing but who was still Muslim the media would jump all over him and he would be in jail in no time.
I don't think you get it. All his speeches are the same. watch some others please and u'll find out... he always starts by befriending the audience with something humorous like his belly and the podium, etc. then he starts talking about his "ex" terrorism story, then he turns to attacking Islam and the Quran. he may as well just make a CD and let ppl listen to it while he stands there.
he says he "studied" the bible or 6 months, yet he only finds violence in the Quran... amazing!
actually his consistency varies in his story about the bank bombing. sometimes he claimed he "planted" the bomb, sometimes he claimed he threw the bomb on top of the building after seeing children in the vicinity of the bank. the story was disputed by everybody even the Jerusalem post. and there was never in the news anything about any bombing that day. so I'm assuming it was a work of his imagination. and in his speeches he quickly mentions it briefly with varying details each time.
Most ppl who actually Read the Quran (not take verses out of context and understand the circumstances the "violent" verses fell in) end up understanding it better. Most references to the fights against the unbelievers were pointing to the ppl who were in war with Muslims. Nowhere in the Quran would u find verses that will command Muslims to kill anyone innocent. on the other hand Mr. Shoebat must have skipped 1 Samuel 15:3 or Deuteromony 13:16 when he was "studying" the Bible.
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Kwilla2001 so sorry that the truth is so painful for you. The Leftist world-wide may fall for Islamist propaganda but fair-minded people with a functioning brain (especially those of us who have read the Qur'an) realize that no amount of words can fool us. We know what your plans are and daily more people are waking-up
pigsinbed 1 year ago
@pigsinbed
actually , people who pretend to have read the Quran are so easy to spot. The question is how much of the Quran have you read. because if you only read what Mr. Shoebat and his backers wanted you to read than you have not read much. People are waking up , true, and some of them when they read the whole thing they find out how much of a fraud this guy is.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
so he planted the bomb or tossed it on top of the roof?
The most important question is:how did a known "terrorist" ended up in America?
and how come someone with this guy's background in terrorism inside the US has not been arrested by the FBI or even investigated? I never heard of a terrorist being forgiven by the FBI coz he turned Christian.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 FBI does not catch terrorist that well. Remember the 9/11 guys, the FBI had reports on them too, but they did nothing.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
The FBI did not have knowledge of their plans. until there is evidence they cannot arrest anyone.This guy in his website,blogs,and videos admits he was involved in terrorist activities including training some Jihadists in Chicago, when asked he said that he does not know their whereabouts right now.my question is:why isn't the FBI investigating him? and if he did so then how do we guarantee that none of the ppl he trained is not gonna hurt u or me or other US citizens?
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 There are many other people, islamic fundamentalist mainly in the US that writes, blogs and produce videos too. The FBI is not going to just arrest people because of their belief.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
I'm not talking about arresting ppl because of their belief. I'm talking about investigating ppl who claim they were involved in training people who could be still roaming the streets of this country trying to harm US citizens. I think that's a legitimate request don't u think?
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 Well if the FBI is investigating, they wouldn't be telling you about it would they? If its just about investigating, how do you know they are already not on it? Remember the arrest they made of the 4 Yemenis who were plotting a bombing? They were clandestinely investigating them prior to their arrest.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
he has been telling his story 4 years since the 90s.so it's not a matter of time.The other possibility is that the FBI had already checked him out(especially with how things have been since 911)and I assume that they did not find anything,meaning that his story is bogus.
The other thing is that if he is a known "ex" terrorist Israel would have never allowed him back in on a visit.Everybody who knows Israelis would say no way in hell.So his claim of terrorism in Israel is also bogus.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 How did you get from the FBI not finding anything to his story being bogus? That flow of logic is incoherent.
Your claim about Israelis not allowing him also does not make sense. Why wouldn't Israel allow him back. Israel would even free convicted terrorist from jail, why wouldn't they let an ex-terrorist back?
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
the reason why I said so is because if they had found anything of his story to be true then he would have been in Gitmo by now don't u think? especially when he admitted in many of his videos and interviews on FOX that he trained the future wave of Jihadists. I was amazed that O'Reilly did not even ask him on the consequences of that training and how grave that could be on the lives of US citizens. I was shocked at how soft he was on him.really shocked!!
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 No, Gitmo takes in only current terrorist, not ex-terrorist.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
ex-terrorist? and how did the transition happened? did he serve time for his past "terrorism" activities to pay his dues to society? No.
if he committed a crime he is still guilty since he himself admitted. and what's the statute of limitation on something like that?
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 "what's the statute of limitation on something like that"
Nothing. He did not commit a crime, at least not in the United States. The only thing you get get him for would be the bombing of the Bank in Israel and the lynching of the Israeli soldier.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
"Nothing. He did not commit a crime, at least not in the United States."
You don't call training terrorists for operations in the US a Crime?? This was his own confession in interviews just watch this interview with O'Reilly:
watch?v=GFULT90Wk1U
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 I don't know. US is a free country. If you train people to fight, that does not mean its a crime. Its only a crime when you commit a crime, not when you train to commit a crime. In other countries, he may be arrested via the internal security police. Too much freedom is not necessary a good thing.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
I'll have to disagree, because some other people were training here and plotting to commit acts of terrorism in Somalia and Iraq were arrested by the FBI. the charge was conspiracy to commit terrorism. They don't wait for a crime to happen in these cases. Mr Shoebat was never charged with that eventhoguh he admits to it. The O'Reilly show interview and others could easily be used as evidence. I think if he were not a "Christian" convert he would be in jail by now.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 "so you are saying tha the stoning of a woman regardless of the resaon is a way of life that is acceptable?"
Those people were probably on the "watch list" prior to their arrest and they actually have a plan to commit terrorism on a specific target/location. You can't just arrest someone just because they said they were ex-terrorists more than 20 years ago, at least not in America.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
anti-terrorism has not started after 911. if this guy claimed to be ex-terrorist and trained ppl 4 terrorism who he said in O'Reilly video and others that he does not know their whereabouts then he should be charged with something. I'm actually shocked at the idea that u r trying to find excuses for this guy. I'm pretty sure that if another one pops up tomorrow claiming the same thing but who was still Muslim the media would jump all over him and he would be in jail in no time.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
"ex-terrorist? and how did the transition happened?"
Didn't he explained that? You should really watch the video. There's not enough space here for me to type that all out again.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
I don't think you get it. All his speeches are the same. watch some others please and u'll find out... he always starts by befriending the audience with something humorous like his belly and the podium, etc. then he starts talking about his "ex" terrorism story, then he turns to attacking Islam and the Quran. he may as well just make a CD and let ppl listen to it while he stands there.
he says he "studied" the bible or 6 months, yet he only finds violence in the Quran... amazing!
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 "All his speeches are the same"
I agree that he is consistent. Even his ex terrorism story is consistent.
"attacking Islam and the Quran"
Many do. Most non-muslims who read the Quran will attack it, it contains many passages of violence and commands to fight against unbelievers.
"yet he only finds violence in the Quran"
Again you are lying. Did you even see the video. He was ask if there is good verses in the Quran and his answer was yes.
bochap21 1 year ago
@bochap21
actually his consistency varies in his story about the bank bombing. sometimes he claimed he "planted" the bomb, sometimes he claimed he threw the bomb on top of the building after seeing children in the vicinity of the bank. the story was disputed by everybody even the Jerusalem post. and there was never in the news anything about any bombing that day. so I'm assuming it was a work of his imagination. and in his speeches he quickly mentions it briefly with varying details each time.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@bochap21
Most ppl who actually Read the Quran (not take verses out of context and understand the circumstances the "violent" verses fell in) end up understanding it better. Most references to the fights against the unbelievers were pointing to the ppl who were in war with Muslims. Nowhere in the Quran would u find verses that will command Muslims to kill anyone innocent. on the other hand Mr. Shoebat must have skipped 1 Samuel 15:3 or Deuteromony 13:16 when he was "studying" the Bible.
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@bochap21
" He was ask if there is good verses in the Quran and his answer was yes"
oh really? did he ever show any of his audience what are these good verses in the Quran? of course not!!
kwilla2001 1 year ago
@kwilla2001 He asked the same question too.
bochap21 1 year ago