Ed Sisson May 2006: part 2 of 6

[260191894]

This is the proof that lawyers and doctors are not "God's gift to the world". (pun intended). They think that they are so smart because they got accepted in a "competitive program" yet, they still believe in imaginary people.

[Alternate2GOP]

Damn it's hard to respond to your comments when they keep showing up as... nevermind. tsk tsk...

[kenthovindspimp]

Alternate2GOP, just respond with the evidence,

These items are still in your queue. please either answer them or own up to them.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating as much and that you have no evidence to back up your claims.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit you are in error. I've got all year, hope you do too

[kenthovindspimp]

I got all year.

Alternate2GOP, just respond with the evidence,

These items are still in your queue. please either answer them or own up to them.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating as much and that you have no evidence to back up your claims.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit you are in error. I've got all year, hope you do too

[Alternate2GOP]

"1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating as much and that you have no evidence to back up your claims."

Didn't Ed bring up abiogenesis in the video because we were talking about design?

"2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any."

So now we keep switching between two things.

And it surely isn't doing you any good to say you aren't switching the goal posts.

[kenthovindspimp]

"Didn't Ed bring up abiogenesis in the video because we were talking about design?"

Sure did. Not sure what you think that means. Please elaborate.

"And it surely isn't doing you any good to say you aren't switching the goal posts. "

"switching goal posts"? I think you mean moving it, and no.

It's simple, just answer the two questions and quit beating around the bush and attacking my comments.

so again....

[kenthovindspimp]

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating as much and that you have no evidence to back up your claims.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

[Alternate2GOP]

"1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating as much and that you have no evidence to back up your claims."

Point to where I said they were the same thing.

[kenthovindspimp]

Are they distinct and sciences?

[kenthovindspimp]

Are abiogenesis and evolution two distinct sciences or not?

[kenthovindspimp]

You are right. I've checked the record and you are right.  You did not say they were the same thing. It was another creationist/design proponent on "darwin vs. design" and I attributed it to you.

[Alternate2GOP]

"Sure did. Not sure what you think that means. Please elaborate."

So now you admit that abiogenesis was brought up for a reason. At last :-D

[kenthovindspimp]

Did I say that it was brought up for a reason? No, I didn't. I said what you quoted, how you extracted that tid bit is beyond me. I asked you to elaborate on what you think him bringing it up means. So please, elaborate.

[kenthovindspimp]

So where do we stand.

I falsely accused you of stating that ABio and TOE were the same.

You attribute brain size to evidence against evolution.

You believe science is a religion, yet havent' defined religion or how science is one. ( at least, and I'm not checking again, I believe it was you)

You haven't explained what him bringing up abio has to do with the validity of the two sciences being one (which, now that I think of it, is a passive way of supporting that position)

[kenthovindspimp]

So please, elaborate on that, and define religion, and explain how science fits into that definition.

AND PLEASE GIVE SOME EVIDENCE AGAINST TOE.

BTW, BRAIN SIZE DOESN'T COUNT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN EXPLAIN HOW THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS EVOLUTION, BUT FIRST, IT'S YOUR TURN TO GIVE VALID EVIDENCE AGAINST TOE.

[iknovate]

Brilliant representation of the blatant protectionism and censorship going on.

[bornagain7777777]

Cool Video, Thanks for helping ID against the unreasonable close minded atheists

[wffarrell]

Six parts of pure fluff.  Where's the beer, Mr. Lawyer?

Where's the case to show breech of contract? Where's the case demonstrating Crocker's "rights" to academic freedom were violated?

You have no case, obviously.

[rbohlin]

Sisson helps put the arrogance of the scientific community in perspective quite well. Defending the universal instruction in materialistic darwinism should be a slam dunk for them. Not showing up and refusing the inquiry of a elected stae board of education certainly suggests they are hiding something. Are they? We can't really know if they don't speak.

[DaveGrossmanSoloBass]

Oh, man ... I'd love to cross examine this chump on these topics. WTF? He just doesn't shut up, does he? Maybe that's why it took 6 videos.

[Alternate2GOP]

I feel like that towards "Dicky D" Dawkins himself.

[kenthovindspimp]

2 inaccuracies in one sentence.

1. "it all came about thruogh natural processes"

This is abiogenesis and has nothing to do with "darwinian evolution"

2. "When I go into this and I see, such complexity such code in the dna"

This is the aforementioned argument from ingorance.

Him spewing his "A average" is a plea for the viewer to fall into the argument from authority fallacy. it's silly.

IT'S DOWNRIGHT SILLY.

silly silly silly!!!

[Alternate2GOP]

"This is abiogenesis and has nothing to do with "darwinian evolution""

But it's part of design, so I guess that's your problem. :D

"This is the aforementioned argument from ingorance."

Sounds like an argument from observation to me.

[kenthovindspimp]

"But it's part of design, so I guess that's your problem. :D" 

Define "design"

"Sounds like an argument from observation to me. "

Then you are stupid.

[Alternate2GOP]

"Define "design""

Purposeful arrangement of parts. As if that really needed an answer.

"Then you are stupid."

Gee that sure had substance. I guess by your standards you may as well say that the following statement, "I cannot imagine the Earth being flat" is an argument from ignorance.

[kenthovindspimp]

OK, how is design my problem then? (abiogenesis is not part of design, as you define it... your original assertion is moot)

"I cannot imagine the Earth being flat" is an argument from ignorance. "

No, that's an inability to be that imaginative. I can imagine the earth being all sorts of shapes and sizes and colors.

Stating the earth is flat as a fact and saying your reasoning is that you've found no evidence to the contrary is an argument from ignorance.

you are still stupid.

[Alternate2GOP]

"OK, how is design my problem then? (abiogenesis is not part of design, as you define it... your original assertion is moot)"

So cells don't exhibit a purposeful arrangement of parts???

"Stating the earth is flat as a fact and saying your reasoning is that you've found no evidence to the contrary is an argument from ignorance."

So if I state evolution is a fact and that I've found no evidence contrary then that would be an argument from ignorance?

[kenthovindspimp]

"So cells don't exhibit a purposeful arrangement of parts???"

no

"So if I state evolution is a fact and that I've found no evidence contrary then that would be an argument from ignorance?"

No. Think about the root meaning of ignorant. That is, "to ignore". To put it simply, if there is nothing to ignore, you can't be ignorant. Even more simply, there is no evidence against evolution => nothing to be ignorant of. The earth is round and there is evidence which one could ignore. got it?

[Alternate2GOP]

"no"

Good.

"To put it simply, if there is nothing to ignore, you can't be ignorant."

Then I guess such an argument does not apply to them.

"Even more simply, there is no evidence against evolution => nothing to be ignorant of."

Now this IS an argument from ignorance. :)

[kenthovindspimp]

Correct.  Cells, may, to an untrained eye, exhibit purposeful arrangement as if they had some design. I am not sure what you think this means.

"Now this IS an argument from ignorance. :) "

Yay, you just exposed yourself as willfully ignorant...

Please provide actual scientific evidence that refutes evolution. Now you are on the hook fucktard. Let's have the evidence against TOE or admit there isn't any.

You ignorant fuck.

Where's that evidence....?

[Alternate2GOP]

"Correct. Cells, may, to an untrained eye, exhibit purposeful arrangement as if they had some design."

So to the UNTRAINED eye they don't have parts that work in synergy?

"Yay, you just exposed yourself as willfully ignorant..."

If that's the case then I guess I'm not alone...

"Please provide actual scientific evidence that refutes evolution."

So things that refute TToE?

"Now you are on the hook fucktard."

Indeed, I would argue that you are on a DIFFERENT kind of hook though. :D

[kenthovindspimp]

synergy?

let's stick to the same terms and not introduce new ones that move goal posts.

[Alternate2GOP]

"synergy?

let's stick to the same terms and not introduce new ones that move goal posts."

Synergy is parts working together to perform a function greater then they by themselves could do. Which is design, but I guess maybe you would rather accuse me of moving the posts when you realize just how far they really are. ;D

[kenthovindspimp]

wait, that's a different definition of design.

Please provide one concise definition of "design" then stick with it. Please, for clarity.

[kenthovindspimp]

I'M KEEPING THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF COMMENTS

ALTERNATE2GOP STATES THIS:

"Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc."

THIS PERSON IS STUPID!

THEIR EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZE???

WOW!!!

JUST FUCKING WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW, THEY ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!.

Please check fundies say the darndest things for this delicious morsel to be added.

[Alternate2GOP]

"You ignorant fuck."

Oh come on now. :)

We all know this won't do the evo-fundamentalists any good in their PR campaign, assuming that they even have one capable of functioning. XD

"Where's that evidence....?

Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc.

What a sec...

Why is that the case? Is there any evolutionary benefit to a bigger cerebral chunk of mass?

[kenthovindspimp]

""Where's that evidence....?

Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc.

What a sec...

Why is that the case? Is there any evolutionary benefit to a bigger cerebral chunk of mass? "

AS USUAL, YOUR SUPPOSED EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RIDICULOUS ATTACK ON EVOLUTION.

[Alternate2GOP]

"AS USUAL, YOUR SUPPOSED EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RIDICULOUS ATTACK ON EVOLUTION."

I know. That's what you asked for so that's what we're discussing. Gotta keep those goalposts tied down buddy. ;D

[kenthovindspimp]

so me pointing out a flaw in your reasoning is a moving goal post???

I'm beginning to think you don't know what the analogy means...do you?

[kenthovindspimp]

really, are you that dumb?

[kenthovindspimp]

I'm serious. do you not know what "moving goal post" means?

[kenthovindspimp]

"Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc.

What a sec...

Why is that the case? Is there any evolutionary benefit to a bigger cerebral chunk of mass? "

THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE OF DESIGN.

i REPEAT,

THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE OF DESIGN.

Do you or do you not have evidence of design as you define it? Or, are you going to just try and bash TOE???

[Alternate2GOP]

It's not supposed to be, I repeat, it's not supposed to be. ;)

"Do you or do you not have evidence of design as you define it? Or, are you going to just try and bash TOE???"

I'm just giving what you asked for buddy. tsk tsk...

[kenthovindspimp]

Yes, yes, it's true. EVOLUTION HAS BEEN DISPROVEN BY AN ANONYMOUS USER ON YOUTUBE NAMED ALTERNATE2GOP.

ALTERNATE2GOP, YOU ARE A GIFT TO MANKIND.

thank you for letting evolutionary scientists know their work will no longer be needed.

WOW, IT'S SO SIMPLE TOO. DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZES MEANS EVOLUTION IS WRONG. why didn't anyone think of that before??? you are just too damn smart!!

[Alternate2GOP]

"ALTERNATE2GOP, YOU ARE A GIFT TO MANKIND."

I try not to be vain, but yes, I can agree with that. Ahhh yes, let me scroll through and admire my progress (by your implosion). ;)

[kenthovindspimp]

I think you need a course in fallacies. You have no idea what "move the goal posts means.

[Alternate2GOP]

We'll just let onlookers of this discourse decide for that.

[kenthovindspimp]

"We'll just let onlookers of this discourse decide for that."

absolutely...

[Alternate2GOP]

Is there a need to reposting this comment again and again???

[kenthovindspimp]

I imploded.

your evidence against evolution is brain size. I am just admiring your work.

[kenthovindspimp]

care to elaborate on the whole "brain size" thing and cut your whole head off? or are you going to stop cutting at the scalp???

[kenthovindspimp]

correction: not for design, but against TOE

ALTERNATE2GOP STATES THIS:

"Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc."

THIS PERSON IS STUPID!

THEIR EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZE???

WOW!!!

JUST FUCKING WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW, THEY ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!.

Please check fundies say the darndest things for this delicious morsel to be added.

[Alternate2GOP]

"THEIR EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZE???"

Speaking of which, I don't know if it's because my knowledge has increased, or if you simply have become a bit to defensive of your religious beliefs, but either way you seem to have degenerated since a previous encounter.

"WOW, WOW, WOW, THEY ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!."

I didn't think you would implode on yourself so easily. XD

And I think that sentence might apply to yourself....

[kenthovindspimp]

My religious beliefs... do tell. But first, define religion.

[kenthovindspimp]

"WOW, WOW, WOW, THEY ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!."

I didn't think you would implode on yourself so easily. XD

And I think that sentence might apply to yourself....

what part didn't you understand?

[kenthovindspimp]

oh, I get it... you are having problems with grammar.

google "use of they" you damn idiot.

[Alternate2GOP]

"correction: not for design, but against TOE"

Right, don't move the goal posts! :D

[kenthovindspimp]

You've defined design two different ways.

misused "moving goalpost"

"disproved" evolution by citing different brain size in primates.

miscorrected my use of "they".

and claimed victory.

wow, you design/yec folks sure are a dense bunch.

[Alternate2GOP]

"You've defined design two different ways."

Is a synergy of parts not an aspect of design?

"misused "moving goalpost""

So going from asking for evidence against Evolution to asking for evidence for ID isn't moving the goalposts?

[kenthovindspimp]

"Is a synergy of parts not an aspect of design?"

third try.

So going from asking for evidence against Evolution to asking for evidence for ID isn't moving the goalposts?

no.

[Alternate2GOP]

"third try."

It seems like it's taken a bit longer then that for you to figure out what synergy means... is fourth time a charm for you in that case?

"no."

So both those things are interchangeable?

[kenthovindspimp]

"third try."

It seems like it's taken a bit longer then that for you to figure out what synergy means... is fourth time a charm for you in that case?

Third try at reworking your definition of design... got it pork chop?

"no."

"So both those things are interchangeable? "

that, pork chop, is moving the goal posts. got it?

[Alternate2GOP]

"Third try at reworking your definition of design... got it pork chop?"

Except you've admitted they are the same definitions.

"that, pork chop, is moving the goal posts. got it?"

And you've just admitted here that the switch between Negative evidence for evolution and evidence for Design is moving the goal posts.

[kenthovindspimp]

"And you've just admitted here that the switch between Negative evidence for evolution and evidence for Design is moving the goal posts. "

where?

[kenthovindspimp]

So please, let's get back on topic.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit there aren't any.

[kenthovindspimp]

"Synergy is parts working together to perform a function greater then they by themselves could do. Which is design,"

design "purposeful arrangement of parts"

two definitions of the same thing.

then

"Is a synergy of parts not an aspect of design?"

I know what design means. I know what synergy means.

that's three different statements. Please define design. If you want to define synergy and how it relates to design, as you define design, go ahead and try again.

[Alternate2GOP]

"two definitions of the same thing."

So you admit they are the same thing therefore the goal posts have been where they have always been. Good.

"Please define design. If you want to define synergy and how it relates to design, as you define design, go ahead and try again."

"Synergy is parts working together to perform a function greater then they by themselves could do. Which is no different from design, the purposeful arrangement of parts.

[kenthovindspimp]

""two definitions of the same thing."

So you admit they are the same thing therefore the goal posts have been where they have always been. Good."

are you really that stupid?

[kenthovindspimp]

"Synergy is parts working together to perform a function greater then they by themselves could do."

Design is the purposeful arrangement of parts.

So synergy is the purposeful arrangement of parts???

You are tripping over your own words.

[Alternate2GOP]

"Design is the purposeful arrangement of parts.

So synergy is the purposeful arrangement of parts???"

No, synergy is parts working together to perform a function greater then they could by themselves.

"You are tripping over your own words."

It's more along the lines of skipping definitions. And I guess maybe your own words might be doing more harm then you may think.

[Alternate2GOP]

I know maybe you're done for now, and I don't mean to say that I like to troll sites, but out of all the people set ablaze after I've made just a few comments, you most definitely beat them all in terms of anger, determination, and just plain putting on a good show. <;D

[kenthovindspimp]

You haven't put anyone ablaze except design advocates.

to recap:

1. two definitions of design and a few attempts at reconciling the two.

2. misrepresenting what I said to suggest I feel they are the same...childish, but to be expected.

3. Claimed that brain size is evidence against evolution. And won't recant.

4. claimed abiogenesis is part of design.

5. claimed abiogenesis and evolution are one in the same.

6. misconstrued "moving goal post"... repeatedly.

cont...

[kenthovindspimp]

cont...

7. Repeated asserted that I have "imploded" as if my anger over your idiocy is relevant.

8. misconstrued the meaning of the term, "evidence".

8a. haven't given any against TOE... btw, there isn't any.

So please, let's get back on topic.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit there aren't any.

[kenthovindspimp]

Alternate2GOP,

These items are still in your queue. please either answer them or own up to them.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating as much and that you have no evidence to back up your claims.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit you are in error. I've got all year, hope you do too...

[kenthovindspimp]

Alternate2GOP,

These items are still in your queue. please either answer them or own up to them.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating THEY WERE "PRETTY MUCH" THE SAME and that you have no evidence to back up your claims.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit you are in error. I've got all year, hope you do too...

[Alternate2GOP]

Alternate2GOP,

These items are still in your queue. please either answer them or own up to them.

1. Admit abiogenesis and TOE are distinct and you were wrong in stating THEY WERE "PRETTY MUCH" THE SAME and that you have no evidence to back up your claims.

2. Provide evidence AGAINST The theory of evolution or admit there isn't any.

I'll ask this again until you provide answers are admit you are in error. I've got all year, hope you do too...

[Alternate2GOP]

How was that for an imitation? XD

[Alternate2GOP]

"miscorrected my use of "they"."

Where?

"and claimed victory."

And not for the reasons you think! :D

"wow, you design/yec folks sure are a dense bunch."

Think maybe you ruined any credibility in making such a statement about someone else?

[kenthovindspimp]

"Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc."

YOUR EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZE???

WOW!!!

JUST FUCKING WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW, YOU ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!.

Please check fundies say the darndest things for this delicious morsel to be added.

[kenthovindspimp]

""Even more simply, there is no evidence against evolution => nothing to be ignorant of."

Now this IS an argument from ignorance. :) "

1. Please provide this evidence.

2.  Where is your evidence.

3. You are willfully ignorant and have no evidence.

4. Please give me some verifiable scientific evidence that disproves evolution.

please please please fucktard.

[Alternate2GOP]

"1. Please provide this evidence."

On it's way my friend!

"2. Where is your evidence."

You asked that question in the same comment, how can you expect the evidence to show up out of thin air on the spot? That might be how EF's get their evidence but for people like me we need a little more time. ;)

"3. You are willfully ignorant and have no evidence."

Whoa dude, you don't really think the answer will come to you before you even post the question do you?

[kenthovindspimp]

Where's your evidence...???

"On it's way my friend!"

means you have none. Which means when you made all of your assertions you did so without evidence to back them up. As we say in chess, you are lost.

[Alternate2GOP]

"4. Please give me some verifiable scientific evidence that disproves evolution."

Hold up, didn't you just say that I had no evidence to disprove evolution? Gotta keep those goalposts open dude! ;D

[kenthovindspimp]

""Hold up, didn't you just say that I had no evidence to disprove evolution? Gotta keep those goalposts open dude! ;D ""

MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF EVIDENCE!

[Alternate2GOP]

Please please please...

...be nice. Judging by the comments on your wall it seems like you've formed a bad habit. While I don't think it does you any good I think your list of four statements there sums up the reasoning employed by Darwinists quite nicely.

[kenthovindspimp]

Still no evidence for design eh?

[kenthovindspimp]

say I've given you every opportunity and will continue to do so. PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR DESIGN.

REMEMBER, FOR DESIGN, NOT BASHING EVOLUTION...

[Alternate2GOP]

"REMEMBER, FOR DESIGN, NOT BASHING EVOLUTION..."

Remember, evidence against evolution, which is what you asked for, no need to implode on yourself. XD

[kenthovindspimp]

EVEN BETTER. wow, you just don't know when to quit, do you...

HERE YE HERE YE. ALTERNATE2GOP, YES THEE ALTERNATE2GOP HAS DISPROVEN EVOLUTION WITH THE MOST AMAZING FIND IN RECORDED HISTORY

evolution is utterly destroyed because humans have different brain sizes than monkeys.

wow, you are a friggen genius, surprised you haven't won a nobel prize.

you are a friggen idiot.

[kenthovindspimp]

I REPEAT:

"Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc."

YOUR EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZE???

WOW!!!

JUST FUCKING WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW, YOU ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!.

Please check fundies say the darndest things for this delicious morsel to be added.

[kenthovindspimp]

I'M KEEPING THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF COMMENTS

ALTERNATE2GOP STATES THIS:

"Seem to be asking that a little soon, but now that you've asked, it's in what is called a brain. One which in homosapiens is larger then that of apes, chimps, etc."

THIS PERSON IS STUPID!

THEIR EVIDENCE OF DESIGN IS DIFFERENT BRAIN SIZE???

WOW!!!

JUST FUCKING WOW!!!

WOW, WOW, WOW, YOU ARE ONE DENSE MOTHER FUCKER!.

Please check fundies say the darndest things for this delicious morsel to be added.