The first people to write were the Sumerians all these stories in the bible an quran come from the Sumerian text, I would sugest going to the source. the Dogon tribe had knowledge about Sirius long before modorn technology could prove them right you dont learn about them because the say they know about Sirius because thats were we came from if your blood is rh- your a hybrid alien/human,
The fact that it says "two bow-lengths" is completely out of context. Most likely, someone looked in verses 49 and 9 and saw some sort of dim correlation. Then everyone accepted it as gospel truth and won't shut up about it.
Sirius A & B orbit eachother with a period of 50.1 years. Please stop uploading videos that claim to have scientific knowledge when in fact it does not.
I really did not count it man! But a little search in google shows me that there are "more than just many" websites referring it as 49.9 years and totally unrelated to Quran or Islam, if the "new" scientific results say .2 years more, is it really "more" true than the old results?
but anyway, tell me honestly, if it was (probably it already is) really 49.9 years, would this thing in Quran mean anything for you?
@HighFlyingDutchman "more true"? Do you know what science is? I dont care how many websites says 49.9 or what way you interpret the Quran, it doesnt change the fact that it is dead wrong.
Like I said, dont claim to have scientific knowledge when do not. What verses something is in the Quran is as irrelevant as it can be. Period.
Search, sirius a on google and read more about it on wikipedia, where it also mentions this. Also the brightess star is sirius a and is believed to be the all seing eye in the illuminati conspiricy, the eye over the pyramid which is on the dollar bill etc.
ha ha ha two bow shots is referring to the distance an arrow flies when fired with a bow. yea i can take random numbers and make them mean anything i want haha 49 and 9 is not 49.9 haha is this just a spoof?
@dirtyvarmint1 Surah An-Najm actually means chapter of the stars too! And at verse 49(only), God said that, Sirius too is His creation. And at verse 9(only), we can also find the Quran talking about the 'TWO BOW LENGTH'. But it is not talking about the normal kind of bow and arrow, it is actually talking about the distance of Angel Gabriel and Muhammad, like a two bow length! ( But Gabriel, in his true form too) And so we have 49.9. Now check the wiki about Sirius and check under 'System'
@FainaruFantajiTen - the ancient Greeks and Egypt knew about Sirus 1000 years before the Koran and nowhere in the Koran does it say the actual cycle period of the star even though this was ancient knowledge because it was required for crops .
The video speaks itself. its not about serious, it's about linking the actual recorded cycle period to the ayahs. or do you really believe that it's coincidence?! Quran doesn't speak about it too directly cause with obtaining a complete proof creation would be pointless. we are given intelligence to use and reach the conclusions through linking those signs god have given us. and al Quran is FULL of those signs. go read about the big crunch and pulsar start and lots more.
You have a lot of possibilities to interpret and take figures from the Quran regarding Sirius.
What they do in this video is choosing the possibility that suits them AFTER THE FACT with doubtful interpretation of the 9th verses. That's too easy to do, but it has NO predictive power at all.
So, before charging other with close-mindness, check if these "miracles" aren't far-fetched.
Neither you nor anyone else has to believe in anything, I'm just telling people that there is something "special" in that book. out of all books in history, it's like the only one to come with miracles, if they were one or two, or say ten, I might have denied them as well, but it has a lot more. there is a reason why over 99% Muslims are believers despite how most aren't religious at all.
Perhaps if you can read Arabic you would have seen everything differently.
to make this short, I don't like the way how people deny any possibility of god's existence and how they wont believe anything no matter how marvellous it was. I don't like the way how they deal with stuff. it looks to me like they intend to have a war rather than trying to reach the truth behind everything we find ourselves in today. this is why I call them "close minded"
you guys are going to deny everything without opening your closed minds and hearts up for a second. can't you see there is anything miraculous in Al Quran?! for real?! open up for god's sake and face facts.
If I don't know it or don't understand it then it doesn't excist or the claim is false that's why people who don't have knowlegde of science say these things. they always say no that's not true even if they are not experts they always need to give an explanation why don't unbelievers say oh I didn't knew that. as soon as they hear the word God or Allah no that's not true it's not in the quran no the quran doesn't say that. If it has to do with God then it's never true. Weird
In the beautiful garden of wisdom, Islam is nothing but a deadly, invasive weed.
Rather than offering up ten thousand prayers for peace and harmony in the world, it would be better simply to outlaw the one Satanic evil of Islam.
Come my non muslim brother and sisters, let us gather the rocks of truth, logic and reason - for with them as our ammunition, together we can stone the illegitimate bastard of islam to death.
the Dogons had this info as well as many others esoteric schools. I respect Islam greatly, but nobody has a corner on the truth. Thinking so makes for war.
Not that Muslims brought down building seven...mind you.
Why is this a miracle? Does the Quran say, "Sirius is a binary star system." Does it then go on to describe its motions in terms of newtonian mechanics?
As we can see, this 'miracle' is based on arbitrary interpretations.
Moreover with this kind of exegesis, in all surahs we'd find many unrelated objects and numbers, which would make the Quran, to your reasoning, scientifically erroneous.
So, the "Sirius miracle" isn't improbable, because with all the links we can create in surahs, one mustn't wonder if, at least, ONE scientifically miraculous occurence is found in the Quran- that's the law of large numbers, God isn't required for that!
The '2 bow-length' used to be a unit of distance for Arabs. But nothing indicates that this expression is intended to allude to the orbits of Sirius stars. I could interpret it as scientifically wrong: eg: a distance between Sirius and all other star and so on....
Also how do you know the verses form the number 49.9, whereas it can form 49E09 or 49/9 or 499? and how do you know 49.9 is in years, wheras it could be in days or months?
Of course! if you pick up other words from the Quran, and applying the same analysis as with Sirius, you won't obtain "scientificaly-related numbers", and yet that wouldn't make them conclude the Quran is scientifically wrong in those passages.
@silveren777 : No brother you are mistaken. The Quran came exactly for that, to give proofs and warnings to make you realize something. It is not for us to find a magical formula that, once applied, will gives us all the answers, making us believing one for all! This is why God(jj) tells us that signs are in the Quran but still you will not believe. What is the purpose of a magic formula that will make even atheist to believe in God. No, step by step, God shows you. You decide to reject or not.
@silveren777 : I can but I also can't. You see your problem is one of interpretation. You read, analyze and decide if you keep or reject the information interpreted. You think that will change my life? or yours? You do whatever you want with the information. Even the title of the video tells us: Coincidence? I cannot give you more reasoning :-)
hucurat 49. 9. If two parties among the Believers fall into a fight, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).
necm 53.9 And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
@xXBlackxrebelXx You said "sub standard". I said its a "humans standard". God can make a different standard than humans, and you can see it in Quran. I believe your assumption is Quran created by humans. It is very, very, very difficult bro, for humans to create Quran and making things fit without changed it time by time. A lot of Scientist & Experts said that it's impossible for humans to create Quran. And as we know, Quran never changed from 1400 years ago.
God (Allah) will close humans heart & mind from the truth to keep them lost until they died, & thats only works for humans who deny, refuse, or doesnt want to find the truth just because of the doctrine behind their religions. God didnt give humans a heart & brain without purpose. But yes, we have to admit that the doctrine & environment have a big change to distract humans from the truth. May peace with you.
@Hulkforall So you're saying that Allah the merciful himself doesn't want me to believe in him. And then condems me to burn in hell forever... because he just chooses so... Do you smell the bullshit?
@Meridia Well, if your condition just like what I said & you dont count a time factor (you wont know what time God will take your life; so dont wait till you've no time)looks like thats what you'll get. Please think what I've said & dont be stubborn. God didnt loose anything even if all of the humans are going to Hell forever because of their stubborn. I believe it wont take a lot of cost today, to try to learn another religions & after that you can choose for the best.
@xXBlackxRebelXx Your statement "to make them seem co-related", it just your opinion. God create us in this condition, so many race, many religions, from different places, to test us if we use our heart & mind in the best way or not. Thats why Quran didn't give you a "very clear answer" like when you read about mathematics book. It need process & you've to search with passion, mind & heart about the truth of Quran. I hope you can get the point & at least try to learn more about Islam & Quran.
@xXBlackxRebelXx Well, if Quran really like what you've said, then every people in this world will be Moslem. And I'm afraid that you cant find any religion in this world that have a HolyBook like that. With believing in Allah & Quran, people will learn Quran & trying to prove Quran statements with mind & heart. Thats the way it works. It give us a change to prove every God's statement. I called it "fairplay". You even can search about another Quran miracles at ytube & bookstore. Its up to you.
There many miraclous aspects of the Quran. One of which is the style and content which is maintained throught the Quran without doubt. Research Nouman Ali Khan
Watch out! Yahya will next find the word "jump" and the word "eye" and claim that the Koran, 1000 years ago, knew the Summer Olympics 2012 would be in London.
Psalms 104:2 he who streches out the heavens.What do you have to say about that.The big bang theory was presented by a catholic priest not an atheist. The bible is nothing but real history and science.Quantum science.
@ave383 Quantum mechanics is in fact for deals with sub atomic particles....but however we can justify anything from HINDU mayaism to BIBLICAL Noah's ark with premature application. And "spread" and "Steadily expanding" is not the same word.
If Bible contain "REAL HISTORY" then you must admit "Unicorn" and "Giants" are real.
@javedmahmood Get a book called Forbidden Land by Robert Lyman, it chronicled a lot of reports since mid-19th century. There are photo's on the web of huge human fibia bones etc but beware of the fake pics, there are hoax's all over the net about digging up full, intact skeletons that are fake.
@javedmahmood They have found remains of giants.I don't have a problem admitting they were real.Thats what the flood was for to kill the giants and the people who worshiped them.Like i said you might want to research it.The smithsonin have the findings in their basement.They have lots of historical things that have to do with or without the bible.They have a statue of Socrates with a afro on his head.Meanwhile people get the fake images.
Everything on the 50 years the star Sirius appeared the Nile floods the earth(ground) and make her(it) fertile for the agricultures(farmings) in Egypt.
The people of Dogon (Mali), them Gods or their ancestors claimed that they came from the star of Sirius
this is stupid.. combining 49 and 9, and u put a dot? so it will be 49.9? why dont u devide 49 with 9? why dont u plus 49 with 9? if the harvard university u mention in your video say the duration is 441 years, will u multiple 49 with 9?
i am muslim.. i believe in quran, i know that is so much knowledge in it.. this video has made non muslim believe that muslims will do anything to get attention to prove the thruth in quran..
i am muslim, iam studyng quran, but this video is not prove anything
i am muslim.. and it dosent mean that i have to believe 100% if other muslim say somthing about islam.. our religion ask us to think, and not to accept whatever someone told us..
do u believe when ur teacher say 2+2=4? never to ask why its 4, and never ask ur teacher to give u the example how 2+2 is 4?
watch this video watch?v=IFBy995TPvY
and see my comment there, i post a link to anther video..
let say i am not muslim, so u guys just believe what u saw?
look at user "koreabanzai" below, he just uploading any video says "muslims", and he had uploaded a video called "The real Islam revealed", that is the video made by zionist, without knowing what they says in the video, he just upload it and proud of it.. do u know that zionist have their own team to make video about islam and upload it to youtube?? and to make muslims looks stupid and desperate? this is one of them..
Oh my Allah, once again you have shown your infamous power to infidels all over the world... Oh Allah, I am now in love with you and what you say will happen for sure, I am your bitch lord, just tell me what you want and I will do it for you no doubt.
We cannot say if it is coincidence or not cause we dont know if God really told us about it or not but what we should think is what Quran posses is never a coincidence cause it is a word from God and God will not do anything by coincidence.
This is one of the weakest, least scientific arguments i've seen so far! 1; Verse 49 mentions the lord of sirius. It is clearly talking abut someone, and there is no indication that the writer even understands what a star is. 2; a binary star system has no resemblance to a bow, it's more of a circular orbit. Vs 9 just happens to mention a bow, so this fantasist decides he can use that as an analogy.
Well since I am not convinced about this analogy myself then I cannot say much.
Though I must point out that this analogy, whether correct of false, is nothing compared to other Quranic scientific indications, I mean, what more do we expect from the Quran since it has allready mentioned black holes describing them as invisible, moving along and sweeping everything in their way?
I'm very curious, but for the record black holes don't 'sweep' things, their gravity pulls them in and compresses them into anti-matter. But please tell me how and why the writer of the koran had reason to mention black holes.
Sorry , the expression "sweep" is my own translation of the word كنس, though I am sure it has a better interpretation.
The mentioned word in Arabic signifies that black holes suck everything in their way, so if you are to fully understand the 3 versus which mention black holes at the Quran, then you are to study the mentioned word from all angles.
Why would the writer of the Quran mention black holes? Well because Mahammed told him to of course, and Mahammed is after all a prophet.
Yes, but in what context? I'm only curious. Does it, for instance, say, "out in the far reaches of the cosmos are black holes which are infinitely dense, and which will swallow all matter in the vicinity, and even light cannot escape"? What is the context?
No, at the Surah, god swears by the stars which move along, stay invisible and suck everything in their way, now for a definition given to black holes (or their properties) 1400 years ago, that should do it.
Not to mention that the Quran, not so far from the previous Surah, mentions Neutron stars, whereas god swears by them too describing them as "knocking" as well as piercing, of course we now know that the sounds observed from the star go hand in hand with the definition above.
Neutron stars do have knocking sounds which is what the word "tariq" in Arabic literally means, not to mention the definition of "piercing" which is more then enough for it to be a miraculous analogy.
It would be good if you could actually quote those surahs here. I'd like to read them because in my experience a lot of things can be twisted to make it look in hindsight like something they're not, and i've found this true on many occasions with religion.(not least with this video above, which really is the shoddiest piecing together of fact and fiction i think i've ever seen.) But, while a skeptic, i have an open mind.
Okay, I have to agree with you here, this video is really not much of an analogy, which is why I did not take it seriously myself.
The Surahs are two, first, Surat Al Tariq, which mentions neutron stars, second, Surat Al Takwir, which mentions black holes (or stars which have the same definition as black holes).
Remember, the English translation is still a bad interpretation, so like I said, if you are to fully understand these analogies, you are to study the Arabic versus from all angels.
Well i've looked at the surat al tariq and already i've seen the koran claim consistently that sperm is made between the breast-bone and the back-bone! And that the stars don't fall down or hit each other only because the creator holds them in place! Clear proof this was written by a man of that age, with no understanding of modern biology, or cosmology. Someone who believed the stars to be held in place on the curtain of night.
I'm afraid i honestly saw nothing about neutron stars!
Hold on, the creator holds them in place yes but that doesn't mean there are no physical means, in Islam, physical means do not contradict divine control or will.
In Surat Al Tariq, god swears by stars which have knocking noise and describes them as piercing stars, now what a better way to describe a neutron star?
The Quran is not a science book, it has scientific indications but they are aggregate, the indication and defenitons are somewhat pandemic, so dont expect too much details.
Th only thing which makes you think that the writer has no understanding of modern biology or cosmology are his divine and metaphysical attributions, which is not reason enough, because like I said, causality does not contradict divine will.
And speaking of cosmology, did I mention hat the Quran, in Surat Al Anbiya, says that the heavens and earth where joined togethor as a single unit of creation untill god clove them asunder? In other words, its the Big Bang theory 1400 years ago.
Oh, before I forget, the Quran also says at Surat Al Thariat, that god has promised to expand or extend the vastness of space, which again is a very accurate scientific indication, for as we know, stars and galaxies are moving further from each other by time, in other words the cosmos is expanding.
Now about man being created from sperm, its not that simple buddy, look:
Because at Surat Al Muminun, the Quran states that mans creation had many levels, clay is the first, and then comes:
Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh.
Of course there could be mistakes due to bad interpretation, but if you want to understand more, then youtube is a poor choice, we will need to take this argument somewhere else.
Oh and about the Big Bang theory stuff, I forgot to tell you that the verse wich states that the heavens and earth where first a single unit of creation, I forgot to tell you that it describes them as "رتق" which literraly means compressed and concentrated.
But it's not the big bang theory at all, unless god said the earth was created roughly 11 billion years after the 'universe', and was formed by gravity over a long period of time
Again, the Quran is not a science book, when it talks about the earth and the heavens, it does so for for the purpose of prodigy, in the Quran, god has promised to present many prodigies to the infidels who disbelieve in his Quran, which was a promise for future infidels exclusively.
no, the only things which lead me to suggest the writer knows nothing of modern cosmology or biology are his complete ignorance of the subjects. I see no evidence of divine or metaphysical attributions at all. Let's face it, if one single thing is wrong it can't be divine. The statement about sperm coming from between the breast-bone and back-bone is wrong.
Neutron stars don't make a noise except on radio wavelengths, as sound needs an atmosphere to travel through...
..therefore why would god have said this without mentioning radio first? I'm sorry, it just seems to me that you have to put the surahs in historical perspective and say....well, why would god be telling anyone about neutron stars anyway? It was hardly relevant to anything else in their lives. It's hard for someone outside your ideology to understand why it's so important for you to believe every word of the koran. Most christians can seperate their faith from the bible, to their credit.
Like I said, details are not always given by the Quran, in fact, the fact that the noise can only be observed by radio wavelengths shows how miraculous the Quranic definition is given by an illiterate man.
Why would god mention neutron stars 1400 years ago? The Quran was declared to be a holy book for all mankind at all times, this is one of its main principles, that's why it has to present miracles and proof to all nations, whether the Quraishi tribe 1400 years ago or to future nations (us).
You have seen one verse talking about the formation of sperm and thought that you have the whole thing understood, in the Quran, one verse quoted always gives a wrong view, you need to search and look hard in order to find the complement of what you're looking for, in fact, the formation of sperm in the Quran sounds very scientific, but only when you bring togethor all the versus which are dedicated to such subjects, one verse is never enough, neither in science or any other Quranic teaching.
Don't be surprised since Mahammed has provided his people information on what has happened and what is about to happen, like his prediction about Arabia becoming once again a forest with rivers all over it (which is geologically acceptable), not to mention his political predictions on how mongols would be defeated and the conquering of Constantinople and so on.
Again, CT, i find it very hard to see how you can accept all this as truth. Arabia becoming a forest? Not till the himalayas disappear, as they trap the rains from the north.
Neutron stars? It doesn't seem likely to me that god would talk about them without explaining first that we're in a solar system, in an arm of a spiral galaxy (one of 100 billion galaxies), that stars are all suns, and the universe is forever expanding since its creation 15 billion years ago...
...a random comment about stars could've meant anything at the time. This comment about sperm should make sense in any context. Sperm is either made there, or not. Context is irrelevant, so you have only helped to prove that the koran is not the work of any super intelligence. When a biology teacher teaches about sperm production in the testes, it is unequivocal fact, and contradicts the koran.. how can you stubbornly believe an ancient script over hard fact? I don't understand.
The context is not irrelevant, on the contrary, but when you keep on looking at the Quran as if it is nothing but a script of its time only, then you obviously wont accept the fact that it has presented very modern perspectives of science and cosmology.
What about the Mahammeden predictions? Could they too have been an ideal of that time? Mahammed predicted the Mongol invation, the conquering of costantinople, Persia, Rome (which has yet to happen of course)..Too much examples I'm afraid.
Now, I am not believing ancient scripts over hard facts, also, some of these hard facts could very well be arguable, who knows what the future will present?
The Quran is scientifically miraculous, in fact, the Arab philosophers relied very much on the Quranic principles of science, cosmology and biology, and someone as educated as yourself should know that modern science relies essentially on what they have presented.
But just for the sake of argument, let me repeat something that I have been pointing to all long, the interpretations wich you rely on are very bad, they make the Quran look like a sacerdotal text, meanwhile the original text shows otherwise.
Nothing has to disappear, Arabia has allready witnessed its ice age a long tim ago, and will sooner or later return to its original form, this is scientifically accepted.
You want the Quran to talk about the universe as if i was a science book, but its not, look, you haven't been paying any attention to what I have been saying all along, I need not to repeat myself.
Well,you think it was god. I don't think that, if god existed, and he could use a pen, he would only ever choose to write to us once! Obviously, i don;t believe in god, and i believe it is gullible to accept that god used a pen and wrote the koran, just because someone 1400 yrs ago said he did. This mohammed lived at a time when no-one could really disprove his claim, but if i told you i had the new koran, would u believe me? Of course not. So why believe mohammed?
Have you ever seen god write with a pen? For that matter, have you ever seen god? In fact, lets cut the bs and get to the point.. you have no evidence for believing that god can write, or that he/she/it even exists.
yes i have the evidance that he can write he create the whole world so writing....anyway god is not a human we cannot define him with he or she... the existence of god is proved with the way that universe is created everything have it's place even albert einstain (sorry i dont know how to write the name to hard lol) he believes in god!!! commooon! a question: when u believe in hasard and coincidence did u born with coincidence ??or maybe u think that it's marsians like the crazy scientologue lol
Firstly Einstein didn't believe in the god of the bible or koran. His one comment, which is over-used now, was that the universe's essence could be seen as god. You still haven't proved any gods existence, or its ability to hold a pen, sorry!
With the amount we now know about evolution, i can safely say that no deity had anything to do with yours or my birth. It's a biological process called LIFE. Read about RNA and DNA, and you'll get the idea.
ok ok so who created life? who created dna or rna ?? with such a precision! and the goal behind all this creation (born eat sleep die fingers....)? who?do u have an answer? the only answer we have is someone bigger than us created it! and this one is called god!every thing is created by god everything! the god create the universe and the human did just change somthing in it! how can u prove the none existance of god and u can not even go to mars?? or exit the galaxy!
even the theory of darwin is a total bol shit! how can u define that many scholars convert to islam?by fear?? no!or by just loving the way to marrie 4 wifes? i think that they have the ability to marrie 20 and stay athist!! the only thing that convinced them is coran!!!!by the way are u a scholar?
Rna came first, as a self-replicating form of life,and science is getting ever closer to re-creating that moment in the lab. The evidence for evolution is now overwhelming.. as for the goal? Did the dinosaurs have a goal? If you want a goal, then you are free to find one. I have. (it doesn't involve a juvenile religion!)
If you can't get your head around 'no creator', then answer me; Who created god? Where did IT come from?
Having a god creates even more questions that need answers...
..which you are unable to give. If only you people would actually read some PROPER science, i believe at some point you would surely realise that the debate about the truth of evolution is long over! And hopefully one day so will religion be, if we are ever to see peace on earth.
Of course the explications of such versus do vary.
Though I must admit, the fact that the same Surah refers to the star Sirius meanwhile it has such expression as "two bow-lengths" indicates that it cannot be a coincidence, not to mention that the verse of the expression goes hand in hand in its number with the verse that mentions the star Sirius forming the number 49.9, another reason to think its associated.
Okay, miraculous as ever, but I have something to add.
The man in the video says: As we have seen this far, the star Sirius has been referred to in verse 49 of this Surah, and verse 9 of the same Surah contains the expression "two bow lengths" to refer to the two stars orbits...
With all respect, but the "two bow length" expression doesn't refer to the twin stars of Sirius, it actually refers to the distance between Mahammed and Gabriel when Mahammed was at the highest part of the horizon.
Mister surely you must have read one of the verse which tells between relation of husband and wife. If you study Arabic, you would find that there is a chain of punishment for disobedient wives in that verse. A chain if you would learn Arabic.
Women hide their face with their own will, not forced to wear and to show obedience to God as he commanded. At least better than them dancing nude in bars and treated as sex slave in west or non-Muslim states. Women right, HA!
dude every women has different desires, I am pretty darn sure even in your own country where there is no democracy; more than half of the women wants to go to beach, or atleast be able to show their face, apply makeup, look beautiful.
fking muslims get the fk out of UK and stay in the shiithole u belong to.
and about that behading thingy, who the fk do u think u are, u start beheading others we nuke ur country. fk u and ur fking god. hope u die and rot in hell.
As for the other things you mentioned I have a question:
Two identical and equally beautiful sisters are walking down the street. One is covering as God commands in Islam and other in bikini or mini-skirt. There is a rapist down the corner, which one will he catch?
The one covering her body or the one showing off?
Islam means submission of will, want or desire. If you follow Islam, you will never face such a problem.
Mister if you run through different websites you will find different orbital periods and the orbital period is given in two different occasions on wikipedia. One says 50.9, other says 48.9.
Even wikipedia cannot answer this correctly.
Run through different source and you will find different answers.
And there is something else.
[54:2] Then they saw a miracle; but they turned away and said, "Old magic."
[54:3] They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.
And thiz videos the scientist are american they are christian. they are sayin tat it is 49.9 so why are you changing??? hve u discovered it urself.. haha ur funny./ its 49.9 in reality.. nt 50.09 u r lying.
google it there are two different speed of lights.. 1 frm us bereau and the othere of british bereau. em nt sayin in diff countries..may be 49.9 will be prooved in futures... watch thiz (watch?v=06NRxaRi1pw)
also ole roemer discovered the speed of light as 227000000m/s and hippolyte fizeau said it is 313000000m/s wtf tiz again????? y so differnces?? still us and british bureau has differnces. wat u said doesnt make a single sense mi brother.. luv to discuss with u mi bro :)..tatz the same with thiz..
so wat.. even the speed of light is nt the same. the us national bureau say it is 299792.4574 and british national bureau say it iz 299792.4590. wtf?? they are living in the same planet. then y differnece?.which speed u believe u tell me...tatz the same with thiz .. no 1 care if itz 49.9 or 50 or 50.9. 49.9 may be correct..and also watch tiz video..watch?v=06NRxaRi1pw
em nt gettin u but even the speed of light is not perfecrt.!! also 50 years is nt perfect. . and what about the speed of light derived from the Quran??
If they are in the quran, then surely it's based on astronomy and mapping of the stars and not revealed by God, what relevance would it have to us, if it is or not, it doesn't affect our lives at all unless they are going to head our way and crash into the earth at some point in the future
according to the dogon theres actually 3 stars the quran is wrong but not surprizing considering the fact alot of it was taken from the bible
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The first people to write were the Sumerians all these stories in the bible an quran come from the Sumerian text, I would sugest going to the source. the Dogon tribe had knowledge about Sirius long before modorn technology could prove them right you dont learn about them because the say they know about Sirius because thats were we came from if your blood is rh- your a hybrid alien/human,
13MrCaine 6 days ago
The fact that it says "two bow-lengths" is completely out of context. Most likely, someone looked in verses 49 and 9 and saw some sort of dim correlation. Then everyone accepted it as gospel truth and won't shut up about it.
GeckosUnlimited 1 month ago
is 49/9, TheTrueOrder of ?
jaimesssi 1 month ago
Sirius A & B orbit eachother with a period of 50.1 years. Please stop uploading videos that claim to have scientific knowledge when in fact it does not.
thisisnotanick 4 months ago
@thisisnotanick
I really did not count it man! But a little search in google shows me that there are "more than just many" websites referring it as 49.9 years and totally unrelated to Quran or Islam, if the "new" scientific results say .2 years more, is it really "more" true than the old results?
but anyway, tell me honestly, if it was (probably it already is) really 49.9 years, would this thing in Quran mean anything for you?
HighFlyingDutchman 4 months ago 3
@HighFlyingDutchman "more true"? Do you know what science is? I dont care how many websites says 49.9 or what way you interpret the Quran, it doesnt change the fact that it is dead wrong.
Like I said, dont claim to have scientific knowledge when do not. What verses something is in the Quran is as irrelevant as it can be. Period.
thisisnotanick 4 months ago
Lets see: if Muhammad had (i.e.) arm-span AS = 66 inch, draw length DL = 66/2.5 = 26.4 inch ≈ 27 inch. His bow length BL = 66 inches.
Distance between Muhammad and Gabriel = 2 BL = 132 inches = 11 feet or closer = 3.35 meters or closer.
No, there are no 49.9 years of distance. That's all I can say.
llKeon 5 months ago
+ Draw length: see watch?v=RdV8suofTsM Draw length = (Distance of the arm-span, in inches) ÷ 2.5
+ Bow length is determined in function of the draw length of the archer, in inches. In example: for DL = 28 inches, BL = 66 inches.
Quran Sura 53:7 - While he was in the highest part of the horizon
53:8 - Then he approached and came closer,
53:9 - And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer.
llKeon 5 months ago
The quran doesn't say anything about 49.9 years of distance, first of all, in dynamics:
+ Time is not distance.
+ A light-year is not a measure of time, but distance: 4.9 x 10^16 meters.
+ 49.9 years is not a valid distance. The orbit of Sirius lasts 49.9 years, but its not the distance between Muhammad and Jibril or two bows length.
+ Define bow length: its the lenght of an archery bow, determined by the draw lenght of the archer's arm.
llKeon 5 months ago
Isn't Sirius a star worshipped by pagans in the preislamic era?
llKeon 6 months ago
@llKeon
yes
HighFlyingDutchman 5 months ago
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roshan333 6 months ago
Search, sirius a on google and read more about it on wikipedia, where it also mentions this. Also the brightess star is sirius a and is believed to be the all seing eye in the illuminati conspiricy, the eye over the pyramid which is on the dollar bill etc.
Hakkumar 6 months ago
ha ha ha two bow shots is referring to the distance an arrow flies when fired with a bow. yea i can take random numbers and make them mean anything i want haha 49 and 9 is not 49.9 haha is this just a spoof?
dirtyvarmint1 7 months ago
@dirtyvarmint1 Actually the 'two bow length' was talking about the Angel Gabriel!
juujuubie 6 months ago
@dirtyvarmint1 Surah An-Najm actually means chapter of the stars too! And at verse 49(only), God said that, Sirius too is His creation. And at verse 9(only), we can also find the Quran talking about the 'TWO BOW LENGTH'. But it is not talking about the normal kind of bow and arrow, it is actually talking about the distance of Angel Gabriel and Muhammad, like a two bow length! ( But Gabriel, in his true form too) And so we have 49.9. Now check the wiki about Sirius and check under 'System'
juujuubie 6 months ago
another fake miracle !
MegaFraudbuster 9 months ago
@MegaFraudbuster
lol speak sense.
FainaruFantajiTen 9 months ago
@FainaruFantajiTen - the ancient Greeks and Egypt knew about Sirus 1000 years before the Koran and nowhere in the Koran does it say the actual cycle period of the star even though this was ancient knowledge because it was required for crops .
swordofmuhammed 9 months ago
@swordofmuhammed
The video speaks itself. its not about serious, it's about linking the actual recorded cycle period to the ayahs. or do you really believe that it's coincidence?! Quran doesn't speak about it too directly cause with obtaining a complete proof creation would be pointless. we are given intelligence to use and reach the conclusions through linking those signs god have given us. and al Quran is FULL of those signs. go read about the big crunch and pulsar start and lots more.
FainaruFantajiTen 9 months ago
@FainaruFantajiTen
You have a lot of possibilities to interpret and take figures from the Quran regarding Sirius.
What they do in this video is choosing the possibility that suits them AFTER THE FACT with doubtful interpretation of the 9th verses. That's too easy to do, but it has NO predictive power at all.
So, before charging other with close-mindness, check if these "miracles" aren't far-fetched.
silveren777 9 months ago
@silveren777
Neither you nor anyone else has to believe in anything, I'm just telling people that there is something "special" in that book. out of all books in history, it's like the only one to come with miracles, if they were one or two, or say ten, I might have denied them as well, but it has a lot more. there is a reason why over 99% Muslims are believers despite how most aren't religious at all.
Perhaps if you can read Arabic you would have seen everything differently.
FainaruFantajiTen 9 months ago
@FainaruFantajiTen
What are those many miracles you're talking about?
If they are things like scientific anticipation, it's known they are mainly postdiction trick; something useless to both religion and science.
silveren777 9 months ago
@silveren777
of cours you shoud talking that
becous you cant answer
bethoveenzeyad 8 months ago
@bethoveenzeyad
Don't understand what you're saying.
silveren777 8 months ago
@silveren777
to make this short, I don't like the way how people deny any possibility of god's existence and how they wont believe anything no matter how marvellous it was. I don't like the way how they deal with stuff. it looks to me like they intend to have a war rather than trying to reach the truth behind everything we find ourselves in today. this is why I call them "close minded"
FainaruFantajiTen 9 months ago
@swordofmuhammed
you guys are going to deny everything without opening your closed minds and hearts up for a second. can't you see there is anything miraculous in Al Quran?! for real?! open up for god's sake and face facts.
FainaruFantajiTen 9 months ago
@FainaruFantajiTen
If I don't know it or don't understand it then it doesn't excist or the claim is false that's why people who don't have knowlegde of science say these things. they always say no that's not true even if they are not experts they always need to give an explanation why don't unbelievers say oh I didn't knew that. as soon as they hear the word God or Allah no that's not true it's not in the quran no the quran doesn't say that. If it has to do with God then it's never true. Weird
zotje11 3 months ago
alhamdullillah
NAXMUI 9 months ago
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In the beautiful garden of wisdom, Islam is nothing but a deadly, invasive weed.
Rather than offering up ten thousand prayers for peace and harmony in the world, it would be better simply to outlaw the one Satanic evil of Islam.
Come my non muslim brother and sisters, let us gather the rocks of truth, logic and reason - for with them as our ammunition, together we can stone the illegitimate bastard of islam to death.
TheProphetMo 10 months ago
النجم الشعري كان معروفا لدى العرب من قبل أن يولد محمد
و كانت الحضارات الاخرى تعرفه ايضا و ذكروه في آثارهم.
فهو من أكثر النجوم لمعانا
جاء محمد و وأقسم به في قرآنه الذي ألفه, أين الإعجاز في هذا يا من عجزت عقولهم؟
باقي الكلام هو عبارة عن أعمال شعوذة من جمع أرقام و طرح أرقام
Lenusful 11 months ago
@Lenusful
بدال ماترد على المقطع كتبت كلام فاضي
رد على المقطع بشكل علمي ( أن أستطعت ) ولن تستطيع
قال شو قال نجم الشعري معروف قبل محمد !! ههههههههههه طيب مهو معروف من 5 آلالاف سنه والفراعنه وكل الحضارات
القديمه كانت تراه بالسماء نقطه صغيره وبعدين ؟؟؟ وين موضوع النقد ؟؟؟ مسكين ماعرفت ترد
bethoveenzeyad 11 months ago
@Lenusful
رد يا جبان بشكل علمي الشعري(ب) صغير جدآ لايمكن رؤيته بالعين المجرده حتى الشعري( أ )يظهر نقطه صغيره
كيف سوف يشعوذ الرسول بشيئ استحاله رؤيته بالعين المجرده بهذه الدقه الآسره للعقل والروح
bethoveenzeyad 11 months ago
the Dogons had this info as well as many others esoteric schools. I respect Islam greatly, but nobody has a corner on the truth. Thinking so makes for war.
Not that Muslims brought down building seven...mind you.
linelites 11 months ago
@linelites just think about it though not a fucking plane hit building 7 and it just went down for fun.
PhuQuangLe111 9 months ago
Are you even a little bit Sirius ???
MaitreyaRocket 1 year ago
hahaha
LIE
كذب
lifeveryhard 1 year ago
@lifeveryhard
مووووووووووووووت قهر
بس دير بالك ما يجيك سرطان بطيزك
أهبل أبن أهبل مايعرف يكتب عربي صح جاي يتفلسف
روح شخ ونام
this is real , ask nasa
bethoveenzeyad 1 year ago
Why is this a miracle? Does the Quran say, "Sirius is a binary star system." Does it then go on to describe its motions in terms of newtonian mechanics?
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
Do you notice that SIRIUS is the ninth word of the verse?
IT IS HE WHO IS THE LORD OF SIRIUS.
GiaIsTheBest 1 year ago
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@GiaIsTheBest "Do you notice that SIRIUS is the ninth word of the verse?" So what?
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
As we can see, this 'miracle' is based on arbitrary interpretations.
Moreover with this kind of exegesis, in all surahs we'd find many unrelated objects and numbers, which would make the Quran, to your reasoning, scientifically erroneous.
So, the "Sirius miracle" isn't improbable, because with all the links we can create in surahs, one mustn't wonder if, at least, ONE scientifically miraculous occurence is found in the Quran- that's the law of large numbers, God isn't required for that!
silveren777 1 year ago
The '2 bow-length' used to be a unit of distance for Arabs. But nothing indicates that this expression is intended to allude to the orbits of Sirius stars. I could interpret it as scientifically wrong: eg: a distance between Sirius and all other star and so on....
Also how do you know the verses form the number 49.9, whereas it can form 49E09 or 49/9 or 499? and how do you know 49.9 is in years, wheras it could be in days or months?
silveren777 1 year ago
@silveren777 It's just dishonest retro-exegesis mixed in with the human mind's excellent ability to recognize patterns.
quidproquo2004 1 year ago
@quidproquo2004
Of course! if you pick up other words from the Quran, and applying the same analysis as with Sirius, you won't obtain "scientificaly-related numbers", and yet that wouldn't make them conclude the Quran is scientifically wrong in those passages.
silveren777 1 year ago
@silveren777 : No brother you are mistaken. The Quran came exactly for that, to give proofs and warnings to make you realize something. It is not for us to find a magical formula that, once applied, will gives us all the answers, making us believing one for all! This is why God(jj) tells us that signs are in the Quran but still you will not believe. What is the purpose of a magic formula that will make even atheist to believe in God. No, step by step, God shows you. You decide to reject or not.
swiftspy 1 year ago
@swiftspy
No, I'm not mistaken at all. I was just making a "reductio ad absurdum" of the argument from this video.
If we mustn't find formulas in the Quran ,then why don't you tell people this video doesn't prove anything?
silveren777 1 year ago
@silveren777 : I can but I also can't. You see your problem is one of interpretation. You read, analyze and decide if you keep or reject the information interpreted. You think that will change my life? or yours? You do whatever you want with the information. Even the title of the video tells us: Coincidence? I cannot give you more reasoning :-)
swiftspy 1 year ago
hucurat 49. 9. If two parties among the Believers fall into a fight, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies then make peace between them with justice and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).
necm 53.9 And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
Sura necm is NOT 49 BUT 53
karakan1453 1 year ago
siritus star has something to do with the Juiblee 49 Year Cycle
its one of god station
PhuQuangLe111 1 year ago
@xXBlackxrebelXx You said "sub standard". I said its a "humans standard". God can make a different standard than humans, and you can see it in Quran. I believe your assumption is Quran created by humans. It is very, very, very difficult bro, for humans to create Quran and making things fit without changed it time by time. A lot of Scientist & Experts said that it's impossible for humans to create Quran. And as we know, Quran never changed from 1400 years ago.
Hulkforall 1 year ago
God (Allah) will close humans heart & mind from the truth to keep them lost until they died, & thats only works for humans who deny, refuse, or doesnt want to find the truth just because of the doctrine behind their religions. God didnt give humans a heart & brain without purpose. But yes, we have to admit that the doctrine & environment have a big change to distract humans from the truth. May peace with you.
Hulkforall 1 year ago
@Hulkforall So you're saying that Allah the merciful himself doesn't want me to believe in him. And then condems me to burn in hell forever... because he just chooses so... Do you smell the bullshit?
Meridia 1 year ago
@Meridia Well, if your condition just like what I said & you dont count a time factor (you wont know what time God will take your life; so dont wait till you've no time)looks like thats what you'll get. Please think what I've said & dont be stubborn. God didnt loose anything even if all of the humans are going to Hell forever because of their stubborn. I believe it wont take a lot of cost today, to try to learn another religions & after that you can choose for the best.
Hulkforall 1 year ago
Something you folks are missing out is that Sirius A is the brighest star in night sky.
Many, many, many cultures and ancient civilizations in the world all closely studied this star and made observations and calculations.
Astronomers even of those times made accurate astronomical notations of stars.
What is much more difficult is to study about this galaxy in its entirety. Which only recent advanced technology can help to figure out about.
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
@xXBlackxRebelXx Your statement "to make them seem co-related", it just your opinion. God create us in this condition, so many race, many religions, from different places, to test us if we use our heart & mind in the best way or not. Thats why Quran didn't give you a "very clear answer" like when you read about mathematics book. It need process & you've to search with passion, mind & heart about the truth of Quran. I hope you can get the point & at least try to learn more about Islam & Quran.
Hulkforall 1 year ago
@Hulkforall "Thats why Quran didn't give you a "very clear answer" like when you read about mathematics book"
errr in a mathematics book. a specific branch of mathematics has to be presented clearly. if its not, then it is of sub-standards.
quran is not even that. you folks are making things fit whatever you want to.
the rest of your comment is non-sequitur
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
@xXBlackxRebelXx Well, if Quran really like what you've said, then every people in this world will be Moslem. And I'm afraid that you cant find any religion in this world that have a HolyBook like that. With believing in Allah & Quran, people will learn Quran & trying to prove Quran statements with mind & heart. Thats the way it works. It give us a change to prove every God's statement. I called it "fairplay". You even can search about another Quran miracles at ytube & bookstore. Its up to you.
Hulkforall 1 year ago
are Sirius A and B have to be from the same star in order for this verse to even seem worthy of consideration.
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
also this 49.9 thing is just bogus.
you're just trying to find whatever to make them seem co-related. theres no systematic way of finding things from the quran.
you're just doing whatever it takes to seem like it has facts.
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
first of all the verse 53:9 is a reference to Jibril
"And was at a distance of two bow lengths or nearer."
First of all do you know what a bow even is?
The orbit of Sirius A and B are intertwining helixes.
A bow has a knot.not to mention that its from two loops made from the single ribbon.
Pathetic isnt it.
read again "distance of two bow lengths or nearer"
so I don't see quite how this matches.
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
@mrphew it does not say "it is we who are steadily expanding it"
but
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
Just like it is we who have created the universe. And we are its Creator.
gnomesayin' ?
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
There many miraclous aspects of the Quran. One of which is the style and content which is maintained throught the Quran without doubt. Research Nouman Ali Khan
jihadulnafs 1 year ago
Watch out! Yahya will next find the word "jump" and the word "eye" and claim that the Koran, 1000 years ago, knew the Summer Olympics 2012 would be in London.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago
Very interesting indeed.
Harun did it again! Only the sad part is "He discovered this miracle in Quran" after the western scientist did.
But again Quran is not a book of science but Signs. I thank harun for his deep thinking, it takes a lot to find a linkage like this.
javedmahmood 1 year ago
Psalms 104:2 he who streches out the heavens.What do you have to say about that.The big bang theory was presented by a catholic priest not an atheist. The bible is nothing but real history and science.Quantum science.
ave383 1 year ago
@ave383 Quantum mechanics is in fact for deals with sub atomic particles....but however we can justify anything from HINDU mayaism to BIBLICAL Noah's ark with premature application. And "spread" and "Steadily expanding" is not the same word.
If Bible contain "REAL HISTORY" then you must admit "Unicorn" and "Giants" are real.
javedmahmood 1 year ago
@javedmahmood I would encourage you to do some research on giants and archeological findings.
ave383 1 year ago
@javedmahmood Giants were real bro, there is archeological findings to prove such claims.
E13Greengategoon 1 year ago
@E13Greengategoon Cool! can you show me one?
javedmahmood 1 year ago
@javedmahmood Get a book called Forbidden Land by Robert Lyman, it chronicled a lot of reports since mid-19th century. There are photo's on the web of huge human fibia bones etc but beware of the fake pics, there are hoax's all over the net about digging up full, intact skeletons that are fake.
E13Greengategoon 1 year ago
@E13Greengategoon Thanks; but I have no interest in Science fiction.
javedmahmood 1 year ago
@javedmahmood They have found remains of giants.I don't have a problem admitting they were real.Thats what the flood was for to kill the giants and the people who worshiped them.Like i said you might want to research it.The smithsonin have the findings in their basement.They have lots of historical things that have to do with or without the bible.They have a statue of Socrates with a afro on his head.Meanwhile people get the fake images.
ave383 1 year ago
@javedmahmood "but however we can justify anything from HINDU mayaism"
excuse me?
xXBlackxRebelXx 1 year ago
@ave383 The bible is also full of scientific errors
jihadulnafs 1 year ago
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Without forgetting the people Dogon (Mali) and the Pharaons of Egypt knew stud him(it) with Sirrius star before the Quran
thx to share :) allahuakbar
kundyavaraman 1 year ago
@kundyavaraman
Everything on the 50 years the star Sirius appeared the Nile floods the earth(ground) and make her(it) fertile for the agricultures(farmings) in Egypt.
The people of Dogon (Mali), them Gods or their ancestors claimed that they came from the star of Sirius
kundyavaraman 1 year ago
there is still so much to discover about the Quran and its mysteries. this is an interesting point of view.
4ndiland 1 year ago
Serious desperation! The bow lengths in v.9 refer to the supposed distance mohammad to supposedly sighted angel gabriel. Yet even that is a hoax.
jabbanene 1 year ago
this is stupid.. combining 49 and 9, and u put a dot? so it will be 49.9? why dont u devide 49 with 9? why dont u plus 49 with 9? if the harvard university u mention in your video say the duration is 441 years, will u multiple 49 with 9?
i am muslim.. i believe in quran, i know that is so much knowledge in it.. this video has made non muslim believe that muslims will do anything to get attention to prove the thruth in quran..
i am muslim, iam studyng quran, but this video is not prove anything
kimie126 1 year ago
you cannot fool us muslims and your are not muslim
why lie? lier is the most lowest in existence
why 49.9? cause it says so
why not plus or devide cause its unlogical
in your bible the creation is in question
you cannot answer it, and now you question other religion
even if it says there is two sirius any logic athiest will become muslim
which kind of person can see sirius b 1400years ago in desert, naked eye
koreabanzai 1 year ago
i am muslim.. and it dosent mean that i have to believe 100% if other muslim say somthing about islam.. our religion ask us to think, and not to accept whatever someone told us..
do u believe when ur teacher say 2+2=4? never to ask why its 4, and never ask ur teacher to give u the example how 2+2 is 4?
watch this video watch?v=IFBy995TPvY
and see my comment there, i post a link to anther video..
kimie126 1 year ago
@kimie126
you are right
ANTIDARWINISMO 1 year ago
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c000lb000y 1 year ago
let say i am not muslim, so u guys just believe what u saw?
look at user "koreabanzai" below, he just uploading any video says "muslims", and he had uploaded a video called "The real Islam revealed", that is the video made by zionist, without knowing what they says in the video, he just upload it and proud of it.. do u know that zionist have their own team to make video about islam and upload it to youtube?? and to make muslims looks stupid and desperate? this is one of them..
kimie126 1 year ago
Oh my Allah, once again you have shown your infamous power to infidels all over the world... Oh Allah, I am now in love with you and what you say will happen for sure, I am your bitch lord, just tell me what you want and I will do it for you no doubt.
c1cter 1 year ago
omg, it is just me, or someone else here noticed that the orbit of Sirius A and B is drawing the DNA spiral???
Peace!
BlackWindLayer 2 years ago
allahuakbar !!!
sayajin1988 2 years ago
male honybees have 16 chromosones...............and that is the 16th chapter of the Quran Al-Nahl
16x2=32 female honeybee chromosones each dived into 2 sets of 16
also For queen bees, it takes 16 days from egg to emergence.
She lays up to 2000 eggs per day.
16th chapter has 128 verses if you 16x128=2048
It is the only insect that produces food eaten by man.
j3rus4l3m 2 years ago
I'm sorry but I believe everything in the Qur'an but the context of the video is just a coincidence.
hasnath08 2 years ago
We cannot say if it is coincidence or not cause we dont know if God really told us about it or not but what we should think is what Quran posses is never a coincidence cause it is a word from God and God will not do anything by coincidence.
pluaboect 2 years ago
see man be logic
he guides you. you search it
never give up to find the answer even if its hinduism
find answer and choose it whether it islam.hinduism.zionism.jew.or anything else
He the lord says search for me i will guide you
koreabanzai 1 year ago
This is one of the weakest, least scientific arguments i've seen so far! 1; Verse 49 mentions the lord of sirius. It is clearly talking abut someone, and there is no indication that the writer even understands what a star is. 2; a binary star system has no resemblance to a bow, it's more of a circular orbit. Vs 9 just happens to mention a bow, so this fantasist decides he can use that as an analogy.
What a shamefully science-less piece of bollox!
glyderau 2 years ago
Well since I am not convinced about this analogy myself then I cannot say much.
Though I must point out that this analogy, whether correct of false, is nothing compared to other Quranic scientific indications, I mean, what more do we expect from the Quran since it has allready mentioned black holes describing them as invisible, moving along and sweeping everything in their way?
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Could you possibly quote that here, i context?
I'm very curious, but for the record black holes don't 'sweep' things, their gravity pulls them in and compresses them into anti-matter. But please tell me how and why the writer of the koran had reason to mention black holes.
glyderau 2 years ago
now u know that the writer of ''coran'' is god so say simply god!!!!!=D
MrMino503 2 years ago
Sorry , the expression "sweep" is my own translation of the word كنس, though I am sure it has a better interpretation.
The mentioned word in Arabic signifies that black holes suck everything in their way, so if you are to fully understand the 3 versus which mention black holes at the Quran, then you are to study the mentioned word from all angles.
Why would the writer of the Quran mention black holes? Well because Mahammed told him to of course, and Mahammed is after all a prophet.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Yes, but in what context? I'm only curious. Does it, for instance, say, "out in the far reaches of the cosmos are black holes which are infinitely dense, and which will swallow all matter in the vicinity, and even light cannot escape"? What is the context?
glyderau 2 years ago
No, at the Surah, god swears by the stars which move along, stay invisible and suck everything in their way, now for a definition given to black holes (or their properties) 1400 years ago, that should do it.
Not to mention that the Quran, not so far from the previous Surah, mentions Neutron stars, whereas god swears by them too describing them as "knocking" as well as piercing, of course we now know that the sounds observed from the star go hand in hand with the definition above.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Neutron stars do have knocking sounds which is what the word "tariq" in Arabic literally means, not to mention the definition of "piercing" which is more then enough for it to be a miraculous analogy.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
It would be good if you could actually quote those surahs here. I'd like to read them because in my experience a lot of things can be twisted to make it look in hindsight like something they're not, and i've found this true on many occasions with religion.(not least with this video above, which really is the shoddiest piecing together of fact and fiction i think i've ever seen.) But, while a skeptic, i have an open mind.
glyderau 2 years ago
Okay, I have to agree with you here, this video is really not much of an analogy, which is why I did not take it seriously myself.
The Surahs are two, first, Surat Al Tariq, which mentions neutron stars, second, Surat Al Takwir, which mentions black holes (or stars which have the same definition as black holes).
Remember, the English translation is still a bad interpretation, so like I said, if you are to fully understand these analogies, you are to study the Arabic versus from all angels.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Well i've looked at the surat al tariq and already i've seen the koran claim consistently that sperm is made between the breast-bone and the back-bone! And that the stars don't fall down or hit each other only because the creator holds them in place! Clear proof this was written by a man of that age, with no understanding of modern biology, or cosmology. Someone who believed the stars to be held in place on the curtain of night.
I'm afraid i honestly saw nothing about neutron stars!
glyderau 2 years ago
Hold on, the creator holds them in place yes but that doesn't mean there are no physical means, in Islam, physical means do not contradict divine control or will.
In Surat Al Tariq, god swears by stars which have knocking noise and describes them as piercing stars, now what a better way to describe a neutron star?
The Quran is not a science book, it has scientific indications but they are aggregate, the indication and defenitons are somewhat pandemic, so dont expect too much details.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Th only thing which makes you think that the writer has no understanding of modern biology or cosmology are his divine and metaphysical attributions, which is not reason enough, because like I said, causality does not contradict divine will.
And speaking of cosmology, did I mention hat the Quran, in Surat Al Anbiya, says that the heavens and earth where joined togethor as a single unit of creation untill god clove them asunder? In other words, its the Big Bang theory 1400 years ago.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Oh, before I forget, the Quran also says at Surat Al Thariat, that god has promised to expand or extend the vastness of space, which again is a very accurate scientific indication, for as we know, stars and galaxies are moving further from each other by time, in other words the cosmos is expanding.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Now about man being created from sperm, its not that simple buddy, look:
Because at Surat Al Muminun, the Quran states that mans creation had many levels, clay is the first, and then comes:
Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Of course there could be mistakes due to bad interpretation, but if you want to understand more, then youtube is a poor choice, we will need to take this argument somewhere else.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Oh and about the Big Bang theory stuff, I forgot to tell you that the verse wich states that the heavens and earth where first a single unit of creation, I forgot to tell you that it describes them as "رتق" which literraly means compressed and concentrated.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
But it's not the big bang theory at all, unless god said the earth was created roughly 11 billion years after the 'universe', and was formed by gravity over a long period of time
sorry, not science.
glyderau 2 years ago
Again, the Quran is not a science book, when it talks about the earth and the heavens, it does so for for the purpose of prodigy, in the Quran, god has promised to present many prodigies to the infidels who disbelieve in his Quran, which was a promise for future infidels exclusively.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
no, the only things which lead me to suggest the writer knows nothing of modern cosmology or biology are his complete ignorance of the subjects. I see no evidence of divine or metaphysical attributions at all. Let's face it, if one single thing is wrong it can't be divine. The statement about sperm coming from between the breast-bone and back-bone is wrong.
Neutron stars don't make a noise except on radio wavelengths, as sound needs an atmosphere to travel through...
glyderau 2 years ago
..therefore why would god have said this without mentioning radio first? I'm sorry, it just seems to me that you have to put the surahs in historical perspective and say....well, why would god be telling anyone about neutron stars anyway? It was hardly relevant to anything else in their lives. It's hard for someone outside your ideology to understand why it's so important for you to believe every word of the koran. Most christians can seperate their faith from the bible, to their credit.
glyderau 2 years ago
Like I said, details are not always given by the Quran, in fact, the fact that the noise can only be observed by radio wavelengths shows how miraculous the Quranic definition is given by an illiterate man.
Why would god mention neutron stars 1400 years ago? The Quran was declared to be a holy book for all mankind at all times, this is one of its main principles, that's why it has to present miracles and proof to all nations, whether the Quraishi tribe 1400 years ago or to future nations (us).
CryingTruth 2 years ago
You have seen one verse talking about the formation of sperm and thought that you have the whole thing understood, in the Quran, one verse quoted always gives a wrong view, you need to search and look hard in order to find the complement of what you're looking for, in fact, the formation of sperm in the Quran sounds very scientific, but only when you bring togethor all the versus which are dedicated to such subjects, one verse is never enough, neither in science or any other Quranic teaching.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Don't be surprised since Mahammed has provided his people information on what has happened and what is about to happen, like his prediction about Arabia becoming once again a forest with rivers all over it (which is geologically acceptable), not to mention his political predictions on how mongols would be defeated and the conquering of Constantinople and so on.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Again, CT, i find it very hard to see how you can accept all this as truth. Arabia becoming a forest? Not till the himalayas disappear, as they trap the rains from the north.
Neutron stars? It doesn't seem likely to me that god would talk about them without explaining first that we're in a solar system, in an arm of a spiral galaxy (one of 100 billion galaxies), that stars are all suns, and the universe is forever expanding since its creation 15 billion years ago...
glyderau 2 years ago
...a random comment about stars could've meant anything at the time. This comment about sperm should make sense in any context. Sperm is either made there, or not. Context is irrelevant, so you have only helped to prove that the koran is not the work of any super intelligence. When a biology teacher teaches about sperm production in the testes, it is unequivocal fact, and contradicts the koran.. how can you stubbornly believe an ancient script over hard fact? I don't understand.
glyderau 2 years ago
The context is not irrelevant, on the contrary, but when you keep on looking at the Quran as if it is nothing but a script of its time only, then you obviously wont accept the fact that it has presented very modern perspectives of science and cosmology.
What about the Mahammeden predictions? Could they too have been an ideal of that time? Mahammed predicted the Mongol invation, the conquering of costantinople, Persia, Rome (which has yet to happen of course)..Too much examples I'm afraid.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Now, I am not believing ancient scripts over hard facts, also, some of these hard facts could very well be arguable, who knows what the future will present?
The Quran is scientifically miraculous, in fact, the Arab philosophers relied very much on the Quranic principles of science, cosmology and biology, and someone as educated as yourself should know that modern science relies essentially on what they have presented.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
But just for the sake of argument, let me repeat something that I have been pointing to all long, the interpretations wich you rely on are very bad, they make the Quran look like a sacerdotal text, meanwhile the original text shows otherwise.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Nothing has to disappear, Arabia has allready witnessed its ice age a long tim ago, and will sooner or later return to its original form, this is scientifically accepted.
You want the Quran to talk about the universe as if i was a science book, but its not, look, you haven't been paying any attention to what I have been saying all along, I need not to repeat myself.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
u always find somthing to say hopefully ur arguments are weak!
MrMino503 2 years ago
Well,you think it was god. I don't think that, if god existed, and he could use a pen, he would only ever choose to write to us once! Obviously, i don;t believe in god, and i believe it is gullible to accept that god used a pen and wrote the koran, just because someone 1400 yrs ago said he did. This mohammed lived at a time when no-one could really disprove his claim, but if i told you i had the new koran, would u believe me? Of course not. So why believe mohammed?
glyderau 2 years ago
so who write it?
MrMino503 2 years ago
A human, or humans. They're the only creatures that ever learnt to use pens and paper.
Definitely the most plausible suspects.
glyderau 2 years ago
euuuh so god do not write? he could not write?? so u said that humans are ''creatures'' so who create them?
MrMino503 2 years ago
Have you ever seen god write with a pen? For that matter, have you ever seen god? In fact, lets cut the bs and get to the point.. you have no evidence for believing that god can write, or that he/she/it even exists.
glyderau 2 years ago
yes i have the evidance that he can write he create the whole world so writing....anyway god is not a human we cannot define him with he or she... the existence of god is proved with the way that universe is created everything have it's place even albert einstain (sorry i dont know how to write the name to hard lol) he believes in god!!! commooon! a question: when u believe in hasard and coincidence did u born with coincidence ??or maybe u think that it's marsians like the crazy scientologue lol
MrMino503 2 years ago
Firstly Einstein didn't believe in the god of the bible or koran. His one comment, which is over-used now, was that the universe's essence could be seen as god. You still haven't proved any gods existence, or its ability to hold a pen, sorry!
With the amount we now know about evolution, i can safely say that no deity had anything to do with yours or my birth. It's a biological process called LIFE. Read about RNA and DNA, and you'll get the idea.
glyderau 2 years ago
ok ok so who created life? who created dna or rna ?? with such a precision! and the goal behind all this creation (born eat sleep die fingers....)? who?do u have an answer? the only answer we have is someone bigger than us created it! and this one is called god!every thing is created by god everything! the god create the universe and the human did just change somthing in it! how can u prove the none existance of god and u can not even go to mars?? or exit the galaxy!
MrMino503 2 years ago
even the theory of darwin is a total bol shit! how can u define that many scholars convert to islam?by fear?? no!or by just loving the way to marrie 4 wifes? i think that they have the ability to marrie 20 and stay athist!! the only thing that convinced them is coran!!!!by the way are u a scholar?
MrMino503 2 years ago
Rna came first, as a self-replicating form of life,and science is getting ever closer to re-creating that moment in the lab. The evidence for evolution is now overwhelming.. as for the goal? Did the dinosaurs have a goal? If you want a goal, then you are free to find one. I have. (it doesn't involve a juvenile religion!)
If you can't get your head around 'no creator', then answer me; Who created god? Where did IT come from?
Having a god creates even more questions that need answers...
glyderau 2 years ago
..which you are unable to give. If only you people would actually read some PROPER science, i believe at some point you would surely realise that the debate about the truth of evolution is long over! And hopefully one day so will religion be, if we are ever to see peace on earth.
glyderau 2 years ago
@glyderau God never Wrote The Quran because it means 'speach' or 'recitation'. It was forced upon muhammed to recite. Remember he was illiterate too.
jihadulnafs 1 year ago
@jihadulnafs You are so gullible.
glyderau 1 year ago
Of course the explications of such versus do vary.
Though I must admit, the fact that the same Surah refers to the star Sirius meanwhile it has such expression as "two bow-lengths" indicates that it cannot be a coincidence, not to mention that the verse of the expression goes hand in hand in its number with the verse that mentions the star Sirius forming the number 49.9, another reason to think its associated.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
Okay, miraculous as ever, but I have something to add.
The man in the video says: As we have seen this far, the star Sirius has been referred to in verse 49 of this Surah, and verse 9 of the same Surah contains the expression "two bow lengths" to refer to the two stars orbits...
With all respect, but the "two bow length" expression doesn't refer to the twin stars of Sirius, it actually refers to the distance between Mahammed and Gabriel when Mahammed was at the highest part of the horizon.
CryingTruth 2 years ago
we have distortion of every religion by people in the world priest molest children
and we have "muslims" who distort islam
so by these haters logic
molesting priest= christianty
i dont think so
akhouston 2 years ago
And as for you abused, I think your religion does not prohibits it. Even if it does, you might never have learned about your religion or book.
And if you are an atheist, that will prove that God exist for each of your abuse will be answered and you will be punished.
pluaboect 2 years ago
If Qur'an would have commanded to behead those who dont follow Islam, you would not have been alive or i would have beheaded you.
Since Qur'an command to kill those who FIGHT you against Islam, i guess there is no way of any Muslim killing innocents.
pluaboect 2 years ago
yes but in case of war!
ALGfunk 2 years ago
By the way one way or the other Quran will always be right.
pluaboect 2 years ago
lmaoo?? beating wifes, giving no rights to women, women having to hide their face and all parts of their body, is that right? u f@Gs.
"behead those who don't follow islam" fk u f@GS, is that right?
nepalihercules 2 years ago
Beating wife?
Mister surely you must have read one of the verse which tells between relation of husband and wife. If you study Arabic, you would find that there is a chain of punishment for disobedient wives in that verse. A chain if you would learn Arabic.
Women hide their face with their own will, not forced to wear and to show obedience to God as he commanded. At least better than them dancing nude in bars and treated as sex slave in west or non-Muslim states. Women right, HA!
pluaboect 2 years ago
dude every women has different desires, I am pretty darn sure even in your own country where there is no democracy; more than half of the women wants to go to beach, or atleast be able to show their face, apply makeup, look beautiful.
fking muslims get the fk out of UK and stay in the shiithole u belong to.
and about that behading thingy, who the fk do u think u are, u start beheading others we nuke ur country. fk u and ur fking god. hope u die and rot in hell.
nepalihercules 2 years ago
Women can show face in Islam.
As for the other things you mentioned I have a question:
Two identical and equally beautiful sisters are walking down the street. One is covering as God commands in Islam and other in bikini or mini-skirt. There is a rapist down the corner, which one will he catch?
The one covering her body or the one showing off?
Islam means submission of will, want or desire. If you follow Islam, you will never face such a problem.
pluaboect 2 years ago 2
And before nuking my country, you better stop Iran from gaining access to those weapons or all your posing will be going down in dirt.
And your UK, a couple years before, was imposing Sharia Law. Why if it is harmful?
pluaboect 2 years ago
I will give my sources claiming its orbital period 49.9 years.
You present yours.
pluaboect 2 years ago
Give me the sources saying 50.9
pluaboect 2 years ago
Mister even wikipedia gives two different orbital period.
1. 48.9
2. 50.9
Even wikipedia does not have exact orbital period.
The video gives the names of the institutes which claims its orbital period is 49.9.
Tell me you have more knowledge or research than those institutes.
And how far can you go to say that Quran is wrong.
And as you said in your message "accept it", i will say to you that Quran is better than any book and has true knowledge and you should accept it.
pluaboect 2 years ago
All the sources claim different orbital periods but why not non-Muslims see that all are 49.9 approximately.
No confirm orbital time is present yet.
pluaboect 2 years ago
But all the different answers would also be around 49.9 approx.
pluaboect 2 years ago
Mister if you run through different websites you will find different orbital periods and the orbital period is given in two different occasions on wikipedia. One says 50.9, other says 48.9.
Even wikipedia cannot answer this correctly.
Run through different source and you will find different answers.
And there is something else.
[54:2] Then they saw a miracle; but they turned away and said, "Old magic."
[54:3] They disbelieved, followed their opinions, and adhered to their old traditions.
pluaboect 2 years ago
the orbital value is rediscovered as 49.9. no doubt.
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
Orbit of Sirius Star is 49.9, i don't believe 50.09 neither on 50. Quran is correct and all other value of orbit of sirius star are false
spyhunt14 2 years ago
And thiz videos the scientist are american they are christian. they are sayin tat it is 49.9 so why are you changing??? hve u discovered it urself.. haha ur funny./ its 49.9 in reality.. nt 50.09 u r lying.
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
google it there are two different speed of lights.. 1 frm us bereau and the othere of british bereau. em nt sayin in diff countries..may be 49.9 will be prooved in futures... watch thiz (watch?v=06NRxaRi1pw)
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
tatz same wit tiz..may be scientis are wrong nw may it is 49.9 or 50 in real. becoz light has also several differnt values in differnt centuries..
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
us bereau has other speed and british breuae has another.. both are follwed..
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
also ole roemer discovered the speed of light as 227000000m/s and hippolyte fizeau said it is 313000000m/s wtf tiz again????? y so differnces?? still us and british bureau has differnces. wat u said doesnt make a single sense mi brother.. luv to discuss with u mi bro :)..tatz the same with thiz..
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
so wat.. even the speed of light is nt the same. the us national bureau say it is 299792.4574 and british national bureau say it iz 299792.4590. wtf?? they are living in the same planet. then y differnece?.which speed u believe u tell me...tatz the same with thiz .. no 1 care if itz 49.9 or 50 or 50.9. 49.9 may be correct..and also watch tiz video..watch?v=06NRxaRi1pw
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
Also the Quran has proved tat Iron was later crashed with earth then got into the core..
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
em nt gettin u but even the speed of light is not perfecrt.!! also 50 years is nt perfect. . and what about the speed of light derived from the Quran??
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
tatz nt perfect ..even light speed is nt perfect.. may be 49.9 is average..
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
it takes over 50 years for the orbit to occur...
Oops! Fail.
TaurusCanser 2 years ago
jeoluz u knw wat is right,,
EbeerIglesias 2 years ago
This video insults my intelligence. The Qu'ran code. Nice.....
robotwookie 2 years ago
the 9th verse is a part of the 49 chapter and a verse can be seen as a decimal from a chapter away, so why adding it? :)
FahadKhan1988 2 years ago 5
If they are in the quran, then surely it's based on astronomy and mapping of the stars and not revealed by God, what relevance would it have to us, if it is or not, it doesn't affect our lives at all unless they are going to head our way and crash into the earth at some point in the future
smskinner1001 2 years ago