Lol... Kieth.... Buddy.... Can you show a scripture that Prohibits the prohibiting of Birthdays???
Try looking up Mark 7:13 and tell me if anything about MODERN celebration might "INVALIDATE" Gods word by saying "Oh.... Its all in Good fun"... when Gods word DOES prohibit over eating, drunkeness, Haughtyness, Etc....
It says NOTHING about their birthday on that cover. It doesn't on the inside, either. This man is making it all up! It says 100 years of Keeping Watch. We still keep track of how long something is. We still know how OLD we are, and other things. This video was silly!
There is a difference between birthday's and anniversaries u know! :D And also, ratehr than posting all these questions how about you go to your local kingdom hall, however close it may be and ask for a bible study, where you will get all the answers you want- FOR FREE rather than wasting your time making and uploading videos.
CHRISTMAS IS NOT REALLY JESUS' BIRTHDAY.Read Matthew, Mark, Luke in bible about 2/3 of way through bible.It never gives a date of his birth.Jesus never celebrated birthdays.HE DID TELL US TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH at Luke 22:19.We keep his Memorial-Jehovah's Witnesses follow exactly what Jesus tells us. The bible says celebrate DEATH-Eccleciastes 7:1-8, verse 4,"The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing.""BIBLE IS TRUTH."
They did not celebrate their own.They just pointed to the fact that they have been around 100 years.There was no Happy Birthday to us involved here. Some people claim we are a cult, a fad.The magazine was emphasing that we have been around a while, not just a temporary religion. We are serious DISCIPLES. We are not perfect, and are constantly learning ourselves.WE CELEBRATE WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES, WEDDING SHOWERS,RETIREMENT,MOVING AWAY GET-TOGETHERS,BARBEQUES, BABY SHOWERS,AND REG. GET-TOGETHERS
According to the bible, is it okay to masturbate? I'm not trying to be perverted or anything... I would really like to know the answer to this questioin. Thanks.
@praiseJah7 boy thats typical..just change wording.Anniversary= commemorate. No matter how you change words its STILL pagan. And you interpret math 23:27, 33 as a means for you to go around judging people and calling them goats?
Dear Soylibre13, He doesn't seem annoying to me. He seems to have a life teaching about what the Bible says, not a group re-translating the Bible to what they want it to say. Lastly, he has more facts about he Bible than the vast, VAST amount of visiting Jehovah Witnesses at my door. I think I'll watch more of the videos
@praiseJah7 please read james 3:8-10......thats all you buddy. You use the same mouth to praise jah and other times to call people goats. And by the way...anniversaries are of pagan origin.
Birthdays (v.) are the most common type of anniversary, where the birth date of a person is commemorated annually. The actual celebration is sometimes moved for practical reasons, as in the case of an official birthday.
Wedding anniversaries are also often celebrated on the same day of the year as the wedding occurred.
Death anniversary. open up any dictionary and read for yourself, here is one defintion
an anniversary is really the same thing as a birthday both celebrate the birth of something one a living being the other not. a wedding anniversary is a celebration of the birth of a marriage union because before the union was brought forth it didnt exist. in principle they are the same thing.An anniversary is a day that commemorates and/or celebrates a past event that occurred on the same day of the year as the initial event
“The Bible does not give us the record of God’s people as celebrating the 100th year of anything. And this morning I am not celebrating the 100th birthday of any man or of any thing..."
he goes on 2 speak of the jubilee year @Lev. 25:10. they didnt celebrate a BD. they took the oportunity to ‘Proclaim liberty in the land to all its inhabitants" as the verse says. they reflected on their progress over the years and how many were set free. thats very difrent.
This is just a dumb question to try to annoy. There is no birth of a person or celebration or party. In your last question i explained to you why JW don't celebrate birthdays so suffice to say that 100 years watchtower publication doesn't have pagan origins.
that was a good one why did they celebrate their own and another thing they claim not to celebrate the birth of jesus on christmas but yet i have a friend who is a jehovah witness and i attended a service with them celebrating the birth of jesus yes thr play with the three wise mwn giving gifths to jesus i was like didnt yall say u shouldnt celebrate the birth of jesus but yet have plays even tho its not on christmas day but u are to celebrating it
If a car company wants to celebrate how long a model has been in production, would they celebrate the car's birthday? No. They would celebrate it's anniversary. In the same sense, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses) celebrated the Watchtower's publication date at 100 years. This also would be an anniversary. The Watchtower was not born it was created like a marriage. Next time your anniversary comes up tell your wife Happy Birthday and see the difference.
@RealBibleAnswers Anniversary of my birth is my birthday. The day my marriage was borne into existence officially is the anniversary. Nice try, though.
it's different. Celebrating a person's birthday and a Religion / corporation (whatever the context outside of "self"). IF you WANT an answer, ask to one qualified Jehova Witness, probably an elder is a good idea, so that he will answer you that:
People's birthdays have Spiritist origins.
I repeat, this is in the Religion or Corporation context. This is all.
When we look at the Bible we see that the number 7 is God's divine number. It signifies perfection and completeness in God's eyes.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness (7 letters) about God's name Jehovah (7 letters) who obey Jesus and "Preach the Good News of the Kingdom" (7 words) and the word Kingdom is 7 letters!!
@flare5544 You're right! It's not being celebrated! Advertising your birthday on the cover of hundreds of millions of magazines is just a subtle mention. I'd hardly call that celebration. I mean it's not like they said anything evil...like this: A truth presented by Satan himself is just as true as a truth stated by God. . . . Accept truth wherever you find it, no matter what it contradicts (WT 7/1879, pp. 8-9). At least they didn't say that! Cheers...
also Colosians 2:16-17, The Bible states: Let no man therefore judge you, in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
THe Bible reveals that many of the early Christians were allowed to celebrate all of the Jewish religious festivals and national holidays even after the coming of Christ and abolition of the Law of Moses. Paul at Romans 14: 5-6 encourage individual freedom on this issue by stating:" One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day , observes if for the Lord...(NASB)
I'm well aware of an unnamed pharaoh's and Herod Antipas's birthdays. No where in the Bible does it say that it is forbidden to celebrate them, though. It was Herod Antipas's stepdaughter who got the gift though, not Herod Antipas.
It is understandable why these clergy or Opposers are spending so much time fault finding & that is all they ever do & focused on they are constantly waging war with us just like the Rabbis & the Priests did to Jesus.
They are angry because people in their churches are leaving them to become JW's to experience real pure worship. They are losing a lot of money. To all of you who wants to experience the very best of Christian love, 7 million of us JW's welcomes everyone!
Why are JWs so bent on waiting for the end of the world? The Watchtower is a biblically defined false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). Not one single person in the Kingdom Halls or the Watchtower has made a true prophecy. Take a look at what Jesus said in John 5:39-40. We must all go to Jesus to receive eternal life.
anyone let me know when was the last time you went to a birthday and someone got beheaded as a gift..its obvious that it wasnt a problem with the birthday but the PERSON asking for a very strange gifte..Nowadays and for many moons - the celebration is NO different that another unscriptural one - a WEDDING ANNIVERSARY..I never have seen someone worshipped..HAVE YOU...bow down..LOL..
a birthday is something to be celebrated, it was the day GOD give you life, life only come from god, and life is something that is great, so to celebrate someone birthday is to be thankfull of the life GOD gave you, is that not worth celebrating a gift from god, i could see how the devil would twist that, and make it seem as if it was not worth celebrating a gift from GOD, is not life a gift ?, should we not remeber the day god give it to us
I also heard from a Jehovah witness that they do celebrate the anniversary of a wedding since Jesus was at a wedding. I guess they are "allowed" to celebrate an anniversary. I was told that in the bible there were only two birthdays celebrated and one was when a prisoner was beheaded, so therefore they don't celebrate bdays.
dude, a BIRTHday is when a HUMAN is born...celebrating the birth of a man and taking away worship/focus from Jehovah God is the reason for NOT celebrating B-days...commemorating the start of an organization that has given over 7 million people and counting the opportunity to have everlasting life is not CELEBRATING ANY BIRTHDAY....dumb question
@fatchamp215 Jehovah God gives the opportunity to have everlasting life...NOT AN ORGANIZATION. By the way, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for over 30 years. Giving undue attention/worship/focus from Jehovah God does not only occur when done with humans. It happens all the time with objects as well...if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, lead by example, not by calling people dumb, my young brother.
The question was kinda dumb but this question is not. What are you doing on this site? The organization says looking at what would be considered apostate material is like looking at porn. I am sure you don't do that so I think you have a curiousity about the organization. You probably have investigated 1874, 1914, 1925, 1975 and satisfied yourself by reasoning the truth gets brighter. All that means is the lies are getting dimmer. Satan is the father of the lie. Exjw 30yrs.
@torrents4u2c As with my previous comment, the same applies here. I am a student of Jehovah's teachings and have been for over 30 years. The only way anyone, including me, can ever find the answers to some of the most sought after questions is by learning about life, beliefs, spiritual teachings, and self. Failure to do these things because one is "loyal" to an earthly organization is the downfall of any spiritual seeker. I not only have investigated those dates, but the dates and...(1of2)
@torrents4u2c (2of2)...teachings other religions and faiths. The inability to separate being a seeker of truth and belonging to an organization which calls itself "the truth" is where I think most make their mistake. A real seeker of truth and student of spirituality does not believe what man tells them to, or decide anothers level of spirituality based on their own, or others, interpretation of the bible. Spirituality is very personal, not a license to judge others or be hateful. (con't)
@torrents4u2c (cont'd)...Sorry this turned out to be longer than I had intended. You are correct in that I am technically an apostate in the eyes of the loyal followers of the earthly organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. So was Jesus Christ. The thing is, I'm not suggesting that any religion is greater than any other, that simply is not the case. Ones own sincere and genuine search for truth, regardless of religious affiliation, is the only way to attain that ultimate, personal, truth.
Good for you. You have courage something I lacked those decades I was part of the Watchtower organization. I don't mean to be hateful. I just try to get people to think. I hope things go well for you.
@fatchamp215 Jehovah God gives the opportunity to have everlasting life...NOT AN ORGANIZATION. By the way, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for over 30 years. Giving undue attention/worship/focus and taking from Jehovah God does not only occur when done with humans. It happens all the time with objects as well...if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, lead by example, not by calling people dumb, my young brother.
@fatchamp215-Wow. You claim that celebrating a birthday is worship and then you say that an organization gives the opportunity to have everlasting life. What do you call it when you place an organization above Jesus Christ? Here are a few suggestions; Idolatry, blasphemy and anti-Christ.
of something? a lot of things have origens. i dont celebrate my birthdate what makes u say i do, i dont know u and u dont know me. u need to start learning how to write english and about commas. i think u got the wrong person.
That made me laugh.... Well hmm... Jehovah's Witnesses DO recognise their own birthday's even anniversaries HOWEVER it is the pagan celebration which is condemned wikipedia birthday candles for example. Besides your arguament is like saying "ohh i became a vegetarian 10 years ago..." Does that mean the person has celebrated it by saying that ... No--- so clearly your arguament is very thin.
Hi disfellowshipped witness here, just came across your postings, very good questions all wich can be explained simply and logically with your/our powers of reasoning as paul put it, ie acknowledging something has been around or happening for one hundred years does not constitute celebrating it as a birthday.... these are the basic fundamental questions that are answered for 'interested 'people thru the free bible study that Jehovah's Witnesses offer..
smokingNthegraveyard -said "Being around only people who share your own beliefs shows nothing but intolerance and fear."
my responce is:-- then why do u want others to believe wat u are saying? if according to u people who believe the same things as u shows fear n intolerance, what are u talking bout.
i dont think cupcakes only make kids happy, they can have one b4 going to school any other day. jus bcus other celebrate or party all the time doesnt make it right. i respect peoples opinions so .
You keep going back to this nonsense argument about how you can have a party any day, or a cupcake any day. So you can have a party or a cupcake ANY DAY YOU WANT except your birthday, and then it's evil. Because it has Pagan origins, just like wedding rings do, which you guys exchange. So... your argument is totally self refuting.
"nobody said that somebody will die jus because its a birthday. its the origin brithdays have."
Yes and wedding rings have Pagan, Godless, evil origins too but you still use them. Explain your contradiction or admit you have no clue what you're talking about.
"we are talking about a celebration, why some religions dont wear jewlry is another topic."
No, you say birthday parties are wrong because the originated with Pagans. Well, wedding rings originated with Pagans. So is it WRONG to do things that originated with Pagans, or is it OKAY to do things that originated with Pagans? You can't have it both ways and you look foolish when you try.
I'm bringing the rings into it because it's the same thing. You're saying birthday parties are wrong because they originated with Pagans. So did wedding rings.
Tell you what, why don't you show me ONE SCRIPTURE, or heck, I'll be generous, show me even a Watchtower article that says that celebrations are different from other Pagan traditions. Go ahead, find one. I'll wait. I won't hold my breath, but I'll wait.
genesis 41:42, numbers 31:50, esther 8:2,8, job 42:11,12; luke 15:22 etc.. these txts in the bible prove that even though it doesnt mention wedding rings, these true worshipers of God wore rings as a simple decoration. some say it represents love n divotion in marrige. nobody has to wear a wedding ring if they dont want to. its a personal decision. even if it were a fact that pagans were the ones that started wearing rings doesnt mean u cant. a ring is not a false religious practice.
"humans dont know the origins of some celebrations. celebrations is different. "
Show me one Bible scripture or Watchtower publication that says the rules suddenly change when talking about a celebration and not a symbol. You won't be able to because you made it up, but please, take this opportunity to prove you're right about something. Show an uneducated, Godless person like me how wrong I am, using your own books and magazines. Just ONE that says the rules are different re: celebrations.
"i never said birthday parties originated with pagans. the people who kept celebrating them didnt worship God."
Worshiping other gods = Pagan. Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. And guess what! Wedding rings originated with these same people. So please, dig through your Watchtower books and find one that says these rules change between celebrations and symbols. (They don't - it's why you aren't allowed to wear a cross.)
no, im in high school. its that they pulld me back when i came from my country n made me start the third grade all over cus i didnt speak any english.
genesis 41:42, numbers 31:50, esther 8:2,8, job 42:11,12; luke 15:22 etc.. these txts in the bible prove that even though it doesnt mention wedding rings, these true worshipers of God wore rings as a simple decoration. some say it represents love n divotion in marrige. nobody has to wear a wedding ring if they dont want to. its a personal decision. even if it were a fact that pagans were the ones that started wearing rings doesnt mean u cant. a ring is not a false religious practice.
It's not considered a personal decision as you can be disfellowshipped for it. So your explanation is inconsistent. You're saying one thing is wrong because it began with Pagan people, but other things that began the same way are acceptable. You need to show why one thing of Pagan origin is wrong but another is okay, or acknowledge that both must be wrong or both must be right. You can't have it both ways.
"but u cant say both of those things are the same, u cant look at it the same way. how?"
How are they not the same? If one thing is wrong because of its origins, then other things are wrong if they have the same origins. Yes or no?
"its normal for a person to wear rings. the action of exchanging rings is not wrong."
They have a background based on magic and Paganism but they're not wrong? So what you're saying is, you arbitrarily decide instead of using logic to apply to everything equally?
"what about when cameras werent invented back then? people celebrated too, y?"
It's called being happy you are alive and taking joy in your birth, life and existence. You don't need video footage of your emergence from your mother to celebrate your existence. I'm not even sure what your point is.
well that message was for another person who was talking bout birthdays, he couldnt defend himself so all he said to me was that - thats y cameras were invented for. back then they werent n people still had almost the same belief. y?
well yea but some parents have been tought that they have to celebrate there childs birth, well they are choosing 4 u. so then u get mad when others tell u what to do or choosing 4 u. just like people believe in celebrating jesus birth, wich they dont know his real birth day.
"well yea but some parents have been tought that they have to celebrate there childs birth, well they are choosing 4 u. so then u get mad when others tell u what to do or choosing 4 u."
And the WT is choosing for you, so again, what exactly is your point?
no the wt guides, it also provides free of charge -literature n bibles for everyone, thats why jws go door to door mainly.we understand that now a days not everyone has the time to have a conversation.
You missed my point. You said "some parents have been tought that they have to celebrate there childs birth, well they are choosing 4 u." And I was pointing out that the WT is also choosing for you.
I still fail to see the point you're making overall. I asked why God, in a book with thousands of commandments, didn't say not to celebrate this. You haven't provided a single credible reason why to condemn a birthday celebration. You come up with one, we debunk it, and you jump to something else.
hold on. i was commenting on things u said first. a reason, well if u use reasoning u would comprehend that the people that celebrated them didnt worship Jehovah God ect, thats one thing.
That was a long time ago before we decided that birthdays were a bad idea. Theres an example in the bible of Herods b-day... He ended up killing someone.. so we see birthdays as a SELFISH thing to do...
So because one person one time killed someone that means a celebration is to be banned forever? That's some compelling evidence. The Bible is full of hundreds of rules that explicitly state what you can and can't do and somehow God forgot to put in "Don't celebrate birthdays," thank goodness we have the JWs to put words in God's mouth based off of one story.
Do you really mean to tell me that God managed to fill a book with do's and do not's and yet somehow forgot to mention not to celebrate birthdays? Don't you think, with all the rules and laws given, and considering birthdays were practiced by most people at the time, God would have remembered to mention not to do so if he had a problem with it?
it isnt a birthday that tey are anouncing it is more like a annaversery (kinda like the one you have every year with your wife!!!!) if you even have one dout it
In the King James Bible Lucifer is referred to as the morning star or son of the morning Isaiah 14:12 but so is Jesus Revelation 22:16 please answer why this is
I turned 24 the other day, and I told a few people. Was I celebrating my birthday? No. I think there's a pretty clear difference.
The key to the whole "birthday celebration" thing is to keep ourselves clear of things God might disapprove of. If you think God really doesn't care whether you celebrate your birthday or not, then that's up to you. But Jehovah's Witnesses do have enough respect for God not to take that chance.
Why does a Jehovah's Witness elder own a website with nude photos on it? Several other elders are members as well. They regularly talk about their drinking exploits. Their kids attend PUBLIC schools. How dare you send your kids to 12 years of indoctrination in the public school and say you have no part of the world system of things.
Respect for God has nothing to do with it. You fear the regulations of a man made organization which will ban you from your family and friends for blowing out the candle on a birthday cake. There is *nothing* in the Bible which strictly forbids birthdays. Only the twisted interpretation of the WT.
Btw, Happy birthday. I pray that one day you will have the freedom to celebrate it in good consciousness.
They may not have been celebrating their anniversary at all, rather just making it known and acknowleging the duration of time that they have been spreading the good news around the globe. You can not attain this however, just from reading that page that you showed us. Furthermore, even if they did celebrate it, I still wouldn't draw up a parallel to the celebration of one's birth. It doesn't make sense to me.
You are refusing to see the facts. Dedicating a whole issue of the WT to the past 100 years is certainly celebrating the 100 anniversary of the existence of the WT. If you do not believe me, then send cards out to your congregation commemorating the 25th (or whatever) anniversary of your existence. We'll see what happens.
Well now you are just comparing the commemoration of an organization to that of on single person. That doesn't make any sense. It seems that your intentions are not to come to the knowledge of the truth and accept all loving people as you brothers and sisters. On the contrary, you find delight in arguing, instead of reasoning. Get rid of all your biasis before you look for answers, because your biasis will bring you to biased answers which are always untrue.
My point is that the Wt considers birthdays to be the anniversary of ones birth. Why are all other anniversaries allowed, yet the anniversary of ones birth is not?
birthdays arent celebrated because the bible only mentions like 3 stories that have to do with birthdays and the people who celebrated them didnt worship God, etc.
Can you tell me who gave birth to that watchtower? How can it have a birth day if it is a piece of paper. When a company celebrates trading for so many years would that be against the bible. And FYI 1979 was a long time ago. Out of over 40,000 articles you find one that just about may possibly fall in line with your plausible agument. Keep on enjoyong doing satans work lots of love your ex brother
I've never been a JW and again, you are missing the point. It is too bad that the WT frowns upon higher education. A course in logic would help you.
Here is the point. They celebrated an anniversary. The WT even states that a birthday can be considered the anniversary of one's birth. Why are ALL anniversaries fine except birthdays?
when u are a little baby you cant remember anything so why do u have to celebrate it? youre parents as a "tradition" make the party for you, u are not makeing the choice. now when u are older you might want to have your wedding anniversary because it was one of the happiest times of your life, you can actually remember y u are celebrating it.
"doing satan's work". This hateful attacking of someone is proof that EM is right. After all the true believers will be persecuted.
It's okay, "chamone" we are used to it and consider it a pleasure to be found worthy to suffer your persecution. Just like Jesus and his followers did.
u should visit a Kingdom hall, sorry if u didnt understand my words its that this wasnt my first language n am still learning english. so u know im not an elder of a congragation so i dont know most things, im still studying in a way.
There was no "birth" nor was there a celebration. It was simply a mention of something that happened. No body bought gifts or had cake or got drunk. You are picking a fight where you have no footing.
were to you see that there was a celebration Did you at liste read what was in there or are did you just look at the picture and make your own interpretation.
Hi Keith,
It appears you don't know the difference between a birthday celebration and an anniversary celebration.
MOREHARTH 3 months ago
Lol... Kieth.... Buddy.... Can you show a scripture that Prohibits the prohibiting of Birthdays???
Try looking up Mark 7:13 and tell me if anything about MODERN celebration might "INVALIDATE" Gods word by saying "Oh.... Its all in Good fun"... when Gods word DOES prohibit over eating, drunkeness, Haughtyness, Etc....
U TEll MEE :)
letusreason1234 4 months ago in playlist QQFJW (Quick Questions For Jehovah's Witnesses)
It says NOTHING about their birthday on that cover. It doesn't on the inside, either. This man is making it all up! It says 100 years of Keeping Watch. We still keep track of how long something is. We still know how OLD we are, and other things. This video was silly!
eternityandforever 6 months ago
There is a difference between birthday's and anniversaries u know! :D And also, ratehr than posting all these questions how about you go to your local kingdom hall, however close it may be and ask for a bible study, where you will get all the answers you want- FOR FREE rather than wasting your time making and uploading videos.
PhilPho1 7 months ago
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CHRISTMAS IS NOT REALLY JESUS' BIRTHDAY.Read Matthew, Mark, Luke in bible about 2/3 of way through bible.It never gives a date of his birth.Jesus never celebrated birthdays.HE DID TELL US TO CELEBRATE HIS DEATH at Luke 22:19.We keep his Memorial-Jehovah's Witnesses follow exactly what Jesus tells us. The bible says celebrate DEATH-Eccleciastes 7:1-8, verse 4,"The heart of the wise ones is in the house of mourning, but the heart of the stupid ones is in the house of rejoicing.""BIBLE IS TRUTH."
eternityandforever 8 months ago
They did not celebrate their own.They just pointed to the fact that they have been around 100 years.There was no Happy Birthday to us involved here. Some people claim we are a cult, a fad.The magazine was emphasing that we have been around a while, not just a temporary religion. We are serious DISCIPLES. We are not perfect, and are constantly learning ourselves.WE CELEBRATE WEDDING ANNIVERSARIES, WEDDING SHOWERS,RETIREMENT,MOVING AWAY GET-TOGETHERS,BARBEQUES, BABY SHOWERS,AND REG. GET-TOGETHERS
eternityandforever 8 months ago
According to the bible, is it okay to masturbate? I'm not trying to be perverted or anything... I would really like to know the answer to this questioin. Thanks.
MrSusielove 8 months ago
how is that a birthday more like an anniversary?
masterchiefb11 9 months ago
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An anniversary is not a Birthday...lololol
I get your point though.....
However, if you look at what we believe.... The Only True religion is the ONLY one that is Married to the Lamb....
This is totally within scripture and is not an Birthday but Anniversary
letusreason42262 9 months ago
i believe you would call this an anniversary! stooge!!
vielasi 10 months ago 2
@vielasi LOL
teddet87 9 months ago
@vielasi- Real mature there. Even the WT says that a birthday is nothing more than the anniversary of one's birth. You are missing the point.
EvidenceMinistries 6 months ago
Jehovahs witnesses on yt are scared Lil chumps
kogamisamurai 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 boy thats typical..just change wording.Anniversary= commemorate. No matter how you change words its STILL pagan. And you interpret math 23:27, 33 as a means for you to go around judging people and calling them goats?
kogamisamurai 11 months ago
Dear Soylibre13, He doesn't seem annoying to me. He seems to have a life teaching about what the Bible says, not a group re-translating the Bible to what they want it to say. Lastly, he has more facts about he Bible than the vast, VAST amount of visiting Jehovah Witnesses at my door. I think I'll watch more of the videos
maine932 11 months ago
@praiseJah7 please read james 3:8-10......thats all you buddy. You use the same mouth to praise jah and other times to call people goats. And by the way...anniversaries are of pagan origin.
kogamisamurai 11 months ago
Birthdays (v.) are the most common type of anniversary, where the birth date of a person is commemorated annually. The actual celebration is sometimes moved for practical reasons, as in the case of an official birthday.
Wedding anniversaries are also often celebrated on the same day of the year as the wedding occurred.
Death anniversary. open up any dictionary and read for yourself, here is one defintion
urinfamousr79 11 months ago
an anniversary is really the same thing as a birthday both celebrate the birth of something one a living being the other not. a wedding anniversary is a celebration of the birth of a marriage union because before the union was brought forth it didnt exist. in principle they are the same thing.An anniversary is a day that commemorates and/or celebrates a past event that occurred on the same day of the year as the initial event
urinfamousr79 11 months ago
Is Jesus birthday good or evil?
Is Jesus birthday pagan?
tdickensheets 11 months ago
the actual quote from w79 11/1 p. 30
“The Bible does not give us the record of God’s people as celebrating the 100th year of anything. And this morning I am not celebrating the 100th birthday of any man or of any thing..."
he goes on 2 speak of the jubilee year @Lev. 25:10. they didnt celebrate a BD. they took the oportunity to ‘Proclaim liberty in the land to all its inhabitants" as the verse says. they reflected on their progress over the years and how many were set free. thats very difrent.
mendalz 1 year ago
This is just a dumb question to try to annoy. There is no birth of a person or celebration or party. In your last question i explained to you why JW don't celebrate birthdays so suffice to say that 100 years watchtower publication doesn't have pagan origins.
silkyhands914 1 year ago
Maybe they will come out with a "Special Addition 100 Years Watch Tower" publication.
TheMedievalMan 1 year ago
that was a good one why did they celebrate their own and another thing they claim not to celebrate the birth of jesus on christmas but yet i have a friend who is a jehovah witness and i attended a service with them celebrating the birth of jesus yes thr play with the three wise mwn giving gifths to jesus i was like didnt yall say u shouldnt celebrate the birth of jesus but yet have plays even tho its not on christmas day but u are to celebrating it
2hottric 1 year ago
Why are there so many Homosexual clergy? Google Homosexual Clergy and see what comes up. I like to hear your comments please.
gabbsdad 1 year ago
lol
kackleyjarrod 1 year ago
You kidding? Right? lol
Omiloparmenos 1 year ago
Wow. A 100 year celebration. Of WHAT? Being False Prophets? They still haven't hit the target on any of their prophecies.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
If a car company wants to celebrate how long a model has been in production, would they celebrate the car's birthday? No. They would celebrate it's anniversary. In the same sense, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses) celebrated the Watchtower's publication date at 100 years. This also would be an anniversary. The Watchtower was not born it was created like a marriage. Next time your anniversary comes up tell your wife Happy Birthday and see the difference.
RealBibleAnswers 1 year ago
@RealBibleAnswers Anniversary of my birth is my birthday. The day my marriage was borne into existence officially is the anniversary. Nice try, though.
BlackCalvinist 1 year ago
Really? They celebrated their birthday? WHERE WAS THE PARTY DUDE?! Where was the birthday cake?
IamDMStheH3r0 1 year ago
Message me please i my inbox. Hello I am one of Jehovahs Witness, I will tell you why we dont celebrate Bdays. OK? :)
TASHA32891 1 year ago
it's different. Celebrating a person's birthday and a Religion / corporation (whatever the context outside of "self"). IF you WANT an answer, ask to one qualified Jehova Witness, probably an elder is a good idea, so that he will answer you that:
People's birthdays have Spiritist origins.
I repeat, this is in the Religion or Corporation context. This is all.
Kry0nz 1 year ago
When we look at the Bible we see that the number 7 is God's divine number. It signifies perfection and completeness in God's eyes.
Currently there are over 7 million people soon to be in number 7,777,777 (7x7) who are a witness (7 letters) about God's name Jehovah (7 letters) who obey Jesus and "Preach the Good News of the Kingdom" (7 words) and the word Kingdom is 7 letters!!
W-O-R-S-H-I-P 7 letters J-E-H-O-V-A-H 7 letters
Whois-GodDotcom
CanWeKnowDotcom
False-ReligionDotcom
ReligionOrTruth 1 year ago
Brilliant point!!!
robotwookie 2 years ago
Its not being celebrated. Its just something good to hear thats it been around for that long and is still going . These questions are alll to easy.
flare5544 2 years ago
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DSLS06 2 years ago
@flare5544 You're right! It's not being celebrated! Advertising your birthday on the cover of hundreds of millions of magazines is just a subtle mention. I'd hardly call that celebration. I mean it's not like they said anything evil...like this: A truth presented by Satan himself is just as true as a truth stated by God. . . . Accept truth wherever you find it, no matter what it contradicts (WT 7/1879, pp. 8-9). At least they didn't say that! Cheers...
robotwookie 2 years ago
This is so funny I can't stop watching it.. well done bro.. brilliant!!!
chrisinblackpool 2 years ago
also Colosians 2:16-17, The Bible states: Let no man therefore judge you, in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
loveladyriza91 2 years ago
THe Bible reveals that many of the early Christians were allowed to celebrate all of the Jewish religious festivals and national holidays even after the coming of Christ and abolition of the Law of Moses. Paul at Romans 14: 5-6 encourage individual freedom on this issue by stating:" One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day , observes if for the Lord...(NASB)
loveladyriza91 2 years ago
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macmanxxxx 2 years ago
From what I can tell, it's still celebrating it.
BlaineKatsura 2 years ago
JW can Celebrate ANNIVERSARY'S 2 ppl in the bible Celebrated Birthday 1 had john killed? oh yeah john got beheaded as a gift
macmanxxxx 2 years ago
I'm well aware of an unnamed pharaoh's and Herod Antipas's birthdays. No where in the Bible does it say that it is forbidden to celebrate them, though. It was Herod Antipas's stepdaughter who got the gift though, not Herod Antipas.
BlaineKatsura 2 years ago
do jews celebrate their birthdays?
WERE`NT JESUS AND HIS DECIPLES JEWISH?
there is absolutly no logic in the wts
arnie365 2 years ago
@arnie365 Great point!
robotwookie 2 years ago
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leo290210 2 years ago
Good question.
Sarai217 2 years ago
It is understandable why these clergy or Opposers are spending so much time fault finding & that is all they ever do & focused on they are constantly waging war with us just like the Rabbis & the Priests did to Jesus.
They are angry because people in their churches are leaving them to become JW's to experience real pure worship. They are losing a lot of money. To all of you who wants to experience the very best of Christian love, 7 million of us JW's welcomes everyone!
We teach free of charge!
Matthew24O14 2 years ago
Why are JWs so bent on waiting for the end of the world? The Watchtower is a biblically defined false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22). Not one single person in the Kingdom Halls or the Watchtower has made a true prophecy. Take a look at what Jesus said in John 5:39-40. We must all go to Jesus to receive eternal life.
BlaineKatsura 2 years ago
anyone let me know when was the last time you went to a birthday and someone got beheaded as a gift..its obvious that it wasnt a problem with the birthday but the PERSON asking for a very strange gifte..Nowadays and for many moons - the celebration is NO different that another unscriptural one - a WEDDING ANNIVERSARY..I never have seen someone worshipped..HAVE YOU...bow down..LOL..
rhdtv2002 2 years ago
that's a freakin' lie!
deekid311 2 years ago
they didnt celebrate they mark time
cherkas009 2 years ago
a birthday is something to be celebrated, it was the day GOD give you life, life only come from god, and life is something that is great, so to celebrate someone birthday is to be thankfull of the life GOD gave you, is that not worth celebrating a gift from god, i could see how the devil would twist that, and make it seem as if it was not worth celebrating a gift from GOD, is not life a gift ?, should we not remeber the day god give it to us
greatestgiftis 2 years ago
Hypocrites!
What more proof do you want?
jakedevon 2 years ago
I also heard from a Jehovah witness that they do celebrate the anniversary of a wedding since Jesus was at a wedding. I guess they are "allowed" to celebrate an anniversary. I was told that in the bible there were only two birthdays celebrated and one was when a prisoner was beheaded, so therefore they don't celebrate bdays.
great question thanks for posting it
daisyseedsower 2 years ago
That wasn't celebrating a birthday....that was commemorating the founding of the religion....
EscapeTruth 2 years ago
it is the "birth" of their cult. Not a commermoration.
iPhoneAndrew 2 years ago
The Watchtower does not forbid the celebrating of birthdays.
And that is an anniversary. Anniversaries, like wedding anniversaries, are showing accomplishments. That is something to celebrate.
But the celebration of the anniversary of one's birth is not an accomplishment. What is there to celebrate?
sklemetti 2 years ago
turning one year older lol
blademanx 2 years ago
dude, a BIRTHday is when a HUMAN is born...celebrating the birth of a man and taking away worship/focus from Jehovah God is the reason for NOT celebrating B-days...commemorating the start of an organization that has given over 7 million people and counting the opportunity to have everlasting life is not CELEBRATING ANY BIRTHDAY....dumb question
fatchamp215 2 years ago
@fatchamp215
Ignoring the fact that there's only room for 144 000 persons in kingdom come. The others are left out in the cold.
Aren't those the lucky ones?
SLORRIFJART321 2 years ago
@fatchamp215 i agree
cunnis1234 1 year ago
@fatchamp215 Jehovah God gives the opportunity to have everlasting life...NOT AN ORGANIZATION. By the way, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for over 30 years. Giving undue attention/worship/focus from Jehovah God does not only occur when done with humans. It happens all the time with objects as well...if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, lead by example, not by calling people dumb, my young brother.
jfloyd03 8 months ago
@jfloyd03
The question was kinda dumb but this question is not. What are you doing on this site? The organization says looking at what would be considered apostate material is like looking at porn. I am sure you don't do that so I think you have a curiousity about the organization. You probably have investigated 1874, 1914, 1925, 1975 and satisfied yourself by reasoning the truth gets brighter. All that means is the lies are getting dimmer. Satan is the father of the lie. Exjw 30yrs.
torrents4u2c 7 months ago
@torrents4u2c As with my previous comment, the same applies here. I am a student of Jehovah's teachings and have been for over 30 years. The only way anyone, including me, can ever find the answers to some of the most sought after questions is by learning about life, beliefs, spiritual teachings, and self. Failure to do these things because one is "loyal" to an earthly organization is the downfall of any spiritual seeker. I not only have investigated those dates, but the dates and...(1of2)
jfloyd03 7 months ago
@torrents4u2c (2of2)...teachings other religions and faiths. The inability to separate being a seeker of truth and belonging to an organization which calls itself "the truth" is where I think most make their mistake. A real seeker of truth and student of spirituality does not believe what man tells them to, or decide anothers level of spirituality based on their own, or others, interpretation of the bible. Spirituality is very personal, not a license to judge others or be hateful. (con't)
jfloyd03 7 months ago
@torrents4u2c (cont'd)...Sorry this turned out to be longer than I had intended. You are correct in that I am technically an apostate in the eyes of the loyal followers of the earthly organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. So was Jesus Christ. The thing is, I'm not suggesting that any religion is greater than any other, that simply is not the case. Ones own sincere and genuine search for truth, regardless of religious affiliation, is the only way to attain that ultimate, personal, truth.
jfloyd03 7 months ago
@jfloyd03
Good for you. You have courage something I lacked those decades I was part of the Watchtower organization. I don't mean to be hateful. I just try to get people to think. I hope things go well for you.
torrents4u2c 7 months ago
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@fatchamp215 Jehovah God gives the opportunity to have everlasting life...NOT AN ORGANIZATION. By the way, I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for over 30 years. Giving undue attention/worship/focus and taking from Jehovah God does not only occur when done with humans. It happens all the time with objects as well...if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, lead by example, not by calling people dumb, my young brother.
jfloyd03 8 months ago
@fatchamp215-Wow. You claim that celebrating a birthday is worship and then you say that an organization gives the opportunity to have everlasting life. What do you call it when you place an organization above Jesus Christ? Here are a few suggestions; Idolatry, blasphemy and anti-Christ.
EvidenceMinistries 6 months ago
i agree with soylibre13 and kaney. its time for u to get s life.
Estefyy17 2 years ago
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BobDDevil 2 years ago
How the hell is this celebrating a bithday
and how is it a birth day if its made not born.....dumb question
Kaney 2 years ago 3
"quick question for jehovahs witnesses"
UGH!!!!! YOUR SO ANNOYING! GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!! quick qustion for YOU do YOU even know all the facts about jw's of course you dont!!
soylibre13 2 years ago
I'd be willing to bet that I know what they don't want you to know. That is enough for me.
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago 2
does it say birthday there? no, it doesnt.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
doesnt matter. the inception, the start, the origin of something. you celebrate it, you silly wt brainwashed drone.
you go muppet!! God is in the brooklyn company. God speaks directly to them! haha..
jamesoneill112 2 years ago
of something? a lot of things have origens. i dont celebrate my birthdate what makes u say i do, i dont know u and u dont know me. u need to start learning how to write english and about commas. i think u got the wrong person.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
Recognizing a B-DAY is MUCH!!! DIFFERENT THAN celebrating it.
ignorance2010 2 years ago
Oh and ultimately that copy of the Watchtower was to praise and recognise Jehovah God as it's backer
mkwatson10 2 years ago
That made me laugh.... Well hmm... Jehovah's Witnesses DO recognise their own birthday's even anniversaries HOWEVER it is the pagan celebration which is condemned wikipedia birthday candles for example. Besides your arguament is like saying "ohh i became a vegetarian 10 years ago..." Does that mean the person has celebrated it by saying that ... No--- so clearly your arguament is very thin.
mkwatson10 2 years ago
Good question !
Onyxrose24 2 years ago
question? did JESUS condemn celebrating birthdays?.
sic1974 2 years ago
no, nor did he tell people who wish to follow him to celebrate them,
IamNismo 2 years ago
well it doesnt say in the bible that Jesus celebrated his birthday either. the bible doesnt mention it.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
Hi disfellowshipped witness here, just came across your postings, very good questions all wich can be explained simply and logically with your/our powers of reasoning as paul put it, ie acknowledging something has been around or happening for one hundred years does not constitute celebrating it as a birthday.... these are the basic fundamental questions that are answered for 'interested 'people thru the free bible study that Jehovah's Witnesses offer..
IamNismo 2 years ago
smokingNthegraveyard -said "Being around only people who share your own beliefs shows nothing but intolerance and fear."
my responce is:-- then why do u want others to believe wat u are saying? if according to u people who believe the same things as u shows fear n intolerance, what are u talking bout.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
what u said--"Being around only people who share your own beliefs shows nothing but intolerance and fear"
- --- so u are saying that u feel like that when u are with your friends n people who share your beliefs? intolerance n fearful?
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
i dont think cupcakes only make kids happy, they can have one b4 going to school any other day. jus bcus other celebrate or party all the time doesnt make it right. i respect peoples opinions so .
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
You keep going back to this nonsense argument about how you can have a party any day, or a cupcake any day. So you can have a party or a cupcake ANY DAY YOU WANT except your birthday, and then it's evil. Because it has Pagan origins, just like wedding rings do, which you guys exchange. So... your argument is totally self refuting.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
i said that a ring is not a celebration. in most of those birthday parties people act very bad, its looks like regular street parties.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
i never said it was evil, u saying i said things i havent.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
u had contradicted yourself a couple of times
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"u had contradicted yourself a couple of times"
Show me where.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
dont say that, some people have made very good friends. they arent scared of anything.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
nobody said that somebody will die jus because its a birthday. its the origin brithdays have.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"nobody said that somebody will die jus because its a birthday. its the origin brithdays have."
Yes and wedding rings have Pagan, Godless, evil origins too but you still use them. Explain your contradiction or admit you have no clue what you're talking about.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
we are talking about a celebration, why some religions dont wear jewlry is another topic.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"we are talking about a celebration, why some religions dont wear jewlry is another topic."
No, you say birthday parties are wrong because the originated with Pagans. Well, wedding rings originated with Pagans. So is it WRONG to do things that originated with Pagans, or is it OKAY to do things that originated with Pagans? You can't have it both ways and you look foolish when you try.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
im talking bout celebrations though, i dont know y u bringing the ring into it.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
I'm bringing the rings into it because it's the same thing. You're saying birthday parties are wrong because they originated with Pagans. So did wedding rings.
Tell you what, why don't you show me ONE SCRIPTURE, or heck, I'll be generous, show me even a Watchtower article that says that celebrations are different from other Pagan traditions. Go ahead, find one. I'll wait. I won't hold my breath, but I'll wait.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
i gave u biblical txts that show u that people that served the true God also wore rings n they were married people.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
genesis 41:42, numbers 31:50, esther 8:2,8, job 42:11,12; luke 15:22 etc.. these txts in the bible prove that even though it doesnt mention wedding rings, these true worshipers of God wore rings as a simple decoration. some say it represents love n divotion in marrige. nobody has to wear a wedding ring if they dont want to. its a personal decision. even if it were a fact that pagans were the ones that started wearing rings doesnt mean u cant. a ring is not a false religious practice.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
wow you have some great points. I've been studying with JW since 9 months.
Bobby2k4 2 years ago
cool thanks, i've been a jehovahs witness since i was 4 years old. i've pritty much experienced a lot. don't loose your faith. :)
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
yes I'm deaf and have a sign language congregation. I've been studying with JW since 9 months
Bobby2k4 2 years ago
its not an argument.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"its not an argument."
Argument: a discussion involving differing points of view; debate.
Do you ever say anything that isn't completely wrong?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
humans dont know the origins of some celebrations. celebrations is different.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"humans dont know the origins of some celebrations. celebrations is different. "
Show me one Bible scripture or Watchtower publication that says the rules suddenly change when talking about a celebration and not a symbol. You won't be able to because you made it up, but please, take this opportunity to prove you're right about something. Show an uneducated, Godless person like me how wrong I am, using your own books and magazines. Just ONE that says the rules are different re: celebrations.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
its just shows u are married when worn all the time from then on. n u r making that decision instead of ur parents.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
my point wasnt that jus bcus they began, they are anyways.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"my point wasnt that jus bcus they began, they are anyways."
And you have yet to explain how.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
i never said birthday parties originated with pagans. the people who kept celebrating them didnt worship God.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"i never said birthday parties originated with pagans. the people who kept celebrating them didnt worship God."
Worshiping other gods = Pagan. Once again, you don't know what you're talking about. And guess what! Wedding rings originated with these same people. So please, dig through your Watchtower books and find one that says these rules change between celebrations and symbols. (They don't - it's why you aren't allowed to wear a cross.)
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
k hold on, im kinda doing homework k.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
Are you in college?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
no, im in high school. its that they pulld me back when i came from my country n made me start the third grade all over cus i didnt speak any english.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
im a senior
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
a birthday is not like a ring.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
genesis 41:42, numbers 31:50, esther 8:2,8, job 42:11,12; luke 15:22 etc.. these txts in the bible prove that even though it doesnt mention wedding rings, these true worshipers of God wore rings as a simple decoration. some say it represents love n divotion in marrige. nobody has to wear a wedding ring if they dont want to. its a personal decision. even if it were a fact that pagans were the ones that started wearing rings doesnt mean u cant. a ring is not a false religious practice.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"its a personal decision."
Birthday celebrations should be a personal decision as well. Why aren't they?
"even if it were a fact that pagans were the ones that started wearing rings doesnt mean u cant."
Even if birthday celebrations were started by pagans doesn't mean you can't.
"a ring is not a false religious practice. "
A birthday party isn't religious at all. Unfortunately, wedding rings *are* religious as they have mystical and magical backgrounds and significance.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
lol yea thats what im saying a birthday party isnt religious at all so y celebrated? a religous person does religious things.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
unfortunately not everybody has money to buy rings or gold especially in other countries, thats y its ur decision.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
did u look them up in the bible?
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
look well of course everything u do is your personal decision, but there r reasons for everything.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
It's not considered a personal decision as you can be disfellowshipped for it. So your explanation is inconsistent. You're saying one thing is wrong because it began with Pagan people, but other things that began the same way are acceptable. You need to show why one thing of Pagan origin is wrong but another is okay, or acknowledge that both must be wrong or both must be right. You can't have it both ways.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
but u cant say both of those things are the same, u cant look at it the same way. how?
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"but u cant say both of those things are the same, u cant look at it the same way. how?"
How are they not the same? If one thing is wrong because of its origins, then other things are wrong if they have the same origins. Yes or no?
"its normal for a person to wear rings. the action of exchanging rings is not wrong."
They have a background based on magic and Paganism but they're not wrong? So what you're saying is, you arbitrarily decide instead of using logic to apply to everything equally?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago 2
its normal for a person to wear rings. the action of exchanging rings is not wrong.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
ill look it up tommorow
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
a ring isnt a practice like u said. a ring is a band or a circular piece of jewelry.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
nobody said that we stay away completely? we can but depends where n for what. we dont go to public schools to party, right.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
He's not very humble is he?
Dethbane74 2 years ago
what about when cameras werent invented back then? people celebrated too, y?
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"what about when cameras werent invented back then? people celebrated too, y?"
It's called being happy you are alive and taking joy in your birth, life and existence. You don't need video footage of your emergence from your mother to celebrate your existence. I'm not even sure what your point is.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
well that message was for another person who was talking bout birthdays, he couldnt defend himself so all he said to me was that - thats y cameras were invented for. back then they werent n people still had almost the same belief. y?
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
people can be happy and alive all the time that doesnt mean that your parents have to make a celebration when u are born.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"people can be happy and alive all the time that doesnt mean that your parents have to make a celebration when u are born."
It doesn't mean your parents can't, either. Still waiting for a single shred of evidence from you that God is against doing so.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
well yea but some parents have been tought that they have to celebrate there childs birth, well they are choosing 4 u. so then u get mad when others tell u what to do or choosing 4 u. just like people believe in celebrating jesus birth, wich they dont know his real birth day.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"well yea but some parents have been tought that they have to celebrate there childs birth, well they are choosing 4 u. so then u get mad when others tell u what to do or choosing 4 u."
And the WT is choosing for you, so again, what exactly is your point?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
no the wt guides, it also provides free of charge -literature n bibles for everyone, thats why jws go door to door mainly.we understand that now a days not everyone has the time to have a conversation.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
You missed my point. You said "some parents have been tought that they have to celebrate there childs birth, well they are choosing 4 u." And I was pointing out that the WT is also choosing for you.
I still fail to see the point you're making overall. I asked why God, in a book with thousands of commandments, didn't say not to celebrate this. You haven't provided a single credible reason why to condemn a birthday celebration. You come up with one, we debunk it, and you jump to something else.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
hold on. i was commenting on things u said first. a reason, well if u use reasoning u would comprehend that the people that celebrated them didnt worship Jehovah God ect, thats one thing.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
That was a long time ago before we decided that birthdays were a bad idea. Theres an example in the bible of Herods b-day... He ended up killing someone.. so we see birthdays as a SELFISH thing to do...
shorXshot 2 years ago
So because one person one time killed someone that means a celebration is to be banned forever? That's some compelling evidence. The Bible is full of hundreds of rules that explicitly state what you can and can't do and somehow God forgot to put in "Don't celebrate birthdays," thank goodness we have the JWs to put words in God's mouth based off of one story.
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
it wasnt one time only. n like ive said b4 the people who celebrated those celebrations didnt worship jehovah (God). they worshiped many Gods,etc.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
Do you really mean to tell me that God managed to fill a book with do's and do not's and yet somehow forgot to mention not to celebrate birthdays? Don't you think, with all the rules and laws given, and considering birthdays were practiced by most people at the time, God would have remembered to mention not to do so if he had a problem with it?
happypranksgiving 2 years ago
it isnt a birthday that tey are anouncing it is more like a annaversery (kinda like the one you have every year with your wife!!!!) if you even have one dout it
kikilita4 2 years ago
In the King James Bible Lucifer is referred to as the morning star or son of the morning Isaiah 14:12 but so is Jesus Revelation 22:16 please answer why this is
FreeAztlan 2 years ago
This is the second time you've posted this off topic question. Please don't do it again.
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago
I turned 24 the other day, and I told a few people. Was I celebrating my birthday? No. I think there's a pretty clear difference.
The key to the whole "birthday celebration" thing is to keep ourselves clear of things God might disapprove of. If you think God really doesn't care whether you celebrate your birthday or not, then that's up to you. But Jehovah's Witnesses do have enough respect for God not to take that chance.
reecewagner 2 years ago
Why does a Jehovah's Witness elder own a website with nude photos on it? Several other elders are members as well. They regularly talk about their drinking exploits. Their kids attend PUBLIC schools. How dare you send your kids to 12 years of indoctrination in the public school and say you have no part of the world system of things.
f8beenthere 2 years ago
the jw at the begining were calld bible students then another man was the one who named the religion not Russell k.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
Respect for God has nothing to do with it. You fear the regulations of a man made organization which will ban you from your family and friends for blowing out the candle on a birthday cake. There is *nothing* in the Bible which strictly forbids birthdays. Only the twisted interpretation of the WT.
Btw, Happy birthday. I pray that one day you will have the freedom to celebrate it in good consciousness.
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago
They may not have been celebrating their anniversary at all, rather just making it known and acknowleging the duration of time that they have been spreading the good news around the globe. You can not attain this however, just from reading that page that you showed us. Furthermore, even if they did celebrate it, I still wouldn't draw up a parallel to the celebration of one's birth. It doesn't make sense to me.
youbintubinallday 2 years ago
You are refusing to see the facts. Dedicating a whole issue of the WT to the past 100 years is certainly celebrating the 100 anniversary of the existence of the WT. If you do not believe me, then send cards out to your congregation commemorating the 25th (or whatever) anniversary of your existence. We'll see what happens.
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago
Well now you are just comparing the commemoration of an organization to that of on single person. That doesn't make any sense. It seems that your intentions are not to come to the knowledge of the truth and accept all loving people as you brothers and sisters. On the contrary, you find delight in arguing, instead of reasoning. Get rid of all your biasis before you look for answers, because your biasis will bring you to biased answers which are always untrue.
youbintubinallday 3 years ago
My point is that the Wt considers birthdays to be the anniversary of ones birth. Why are all other anniversaries allowed, yet the anniversary of ones birth is not?
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago
birthdays arent celebrated because the bible only mentions like 3 stories that have to do with birthdays and the people who celebrated them didnt worship God, etc.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
So?
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago
Can you tell me who gave birth to that watchtower? How can it have a birth day if it is a piece of paper. When a company celebrates trading for so many years would that be against the bible. And FYI 1979 was a long time ago. Out of over 40,000 articles you find one that just about may possibly fall in line with your plausible agument. Keep on enjoyong doing satans work lots of love your ex brother
chamone2406 3 years ago
I've never been a JW and again, you are missing the point. It is too bad that the WT frowns upon higher education. A course in logic would help you.
Here is the point. They celebrated an anniversary. The WT even states that a birthday can be considered the anniversary of one's birth. Why are ALL anniversaries fine except birthdays?
EvidenceMinistries 2 years ago
when u are a little baby you cant remember anything so why do u have to celebrate it? youre parents as a "tradition" make the party for you, u are not makeing the choice. now when u are older you might want to have your wedding anniversary because it was one of the happiest times of your life, you can actually remember y u are celebrating it.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
"doing satan's work". This hateful attacking of someone is proof that EM is right. After all the true believers will be persecuted.
It's okay, "chamone" we are used to it and consider it a pleasure to be found worthy to suffer your persecution. Just like Jesus and his followers did.
f8beenthere 2 years ago
u should visit a Kingdom hall, sorry if u didnt understand my words its that this wasnt my first language n am still learning english. so u know im not an elder of a congragation so i dont know most things, im still studying in a way.
nicegirlatmiami 2 years ago
LOL ur shirt and ur beliefs
how ironic
betocool 3 years ago
No irony there at all.
EvidenceMinistries 3 years ago
That's funny! You're funny :) :)
firstpeterthree 3 years ago
There was no "birth" nor was there a celebration. It was simply a mention of something that happened. No body bought gifts or had cake or got drunk. You are picking a fight where you have no footing.
Fastangboi 3 years ago
Are you saying that you can come to my bday party as long as there are no gifts cake and alcohol? ;-)
EvidenceMinistries 3 years ago
I think he trying to say that the watch cannot be born like a baby so they cannot celebrat the birth.
akabigron 3 years ago 2
A birthday is a birthday. If it is wrong for humans, then the same goes for an organization.
EvidenceMinistries 3 years ago
were to you see that there was a celebration Did you at liste read what was in there or are did you just look at the picture and make your own interpretation.
akabigron 3 years ago