You may say I'm a dreamer, but thankfully there are people like me, because without these dreams what are you left with? ....... Your nightmares? ....... the cold and lonely nights they leave
AMAZING!! Make sure you like/share this video and similar others to raise awareness of our current problems + show the way for the new path that is possible.
I..i need to do something. Everyday, every second, i hate my life more and more. I can't just not do anything. We all live in this fake ass fucking life. I am in rage all the time because of this. I turn on the tv, FAKE. i go to wrok, even more fake. It's pathetic. What I do, what we all do, and people call it life? What the fuck is this? I get lost in confusion so much.. This isn't what humans are supposed to do. God. I NEED TO DO SOMETHING BUT I JUST CANT
@hallorand9 Bullshit, you can do something. Here's what you can do: 1st- go to the Venus Project.com. and open an account. 2nd- If you have a printer, download a brochure from the website and make many, many copies of it. 3rd- Put them on every doorstep of every house you can in your neighborhood. We are still an extremely small movement, only a little over 500,000 worldwide, we need to get out there before we are to late to do so. Never, feel that you can do nothing,
They are actually taking an interest (the current system) in ecology but they screwed it up again by handing over the problem salving to the market.
It would be hard to explain the details because there is not enough typing space but if you watch "the story of cap&trade" found also here on youtube, it will become a little more clear to you!
Don't complain to your goverment about the problems, they are sacks of shit, BECOME THE CHANGE you wanna see in the world!
More Americans die every year from peanut allergies than terrorism. Yet, we spend ROUGHLY 50x the amount of money on terrorism, than the #1 cause of death in America - Corinary Heart disease.
Is this not corruption?
Please watch the Zeitgeist trilogy and join the movement.
i love this song. by the way, have you "seen" god lately? he hasn't been very efficient. it seems people are deceiving themselves that god will ultimately save them. oh, no, excuse me. in fact, the media is our religion now....yes. stupid me. Oh dear Mass Media, lie me so beautifully ;))) !!
I want this so much..but everyday the dark side of me, just wanting to destroy everything, grows, with the thought of this never happening. Im tired of hoping.
@polla2256 the power of this song and the ideas behind it greatly outweigh the song that came from john lennon, not to say that song isnt wonderful, but the zeitgeist movement is so much bigger than a song from the Beatles
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Venus project is a Luciferian project, Zeitgeist and Venus project are in reality runs by the Rothschilds familly.
Take care, illuminati have created this project using Jaque Fresco as a puppet to build the artificial paradise of the antichrist (see Brave New World).
You should know that only God can create the real paradise.
Please investigate seriousely, the Illuminati are controlling everything !
@NeoGabriel08 LUCIFER DOES NOT MEAN SATAN, this is a mistranslation the word lucifer was a common hebrew name. and yes i completley agree with you on the illuminati and lucifer, the illuminati are 33rd degree "freemasons" although they have literally nothing to do with freemasonry and its philosophy. theres nothing we can because it is doomed to happen, its in the Bible. we cant stop it nor change it, but Lucifer is NOT satan
In fact yes. I found that Lucifer was Satan at the beguining, in the garden of Eden (the end period) and then became Satan in the medieval part of our history. This is the same soul, but he has change his name. Satan was quite beautiful at the beguining, he has a lot of charm, this is why many (even powerful beings) are trapped.
Satan, Mamon, Belzebuth, Moloch, Baphomet, etc.
You should see The Omen trilogy and the animange serie Monster to understand his personality.
The Solution is Islamic Economic system! Note here i am not saying to adopt Islam as your religion.i am only saying to adopt economic system of Islam, Do share your views But everyone should once read Islamic economic system to solve all these problems!
but so many people would cream there panties if they heard there was no police, so then the civilizations would run for there guns to protect themselves, resulting in death and violence on our streets as the accepted norm, id rather that not happen.....
@santjime crime isn't about the genes peopla are born with, if u put criminals in a peaceful (pacifist) environment, u'll see changes in their behavior and they're not a treath to society anymore. It's harder with criminals who had a bad youth (trauma's etc.) but the reason of a bad youth lays with the people who gave it, which leads back to this first sentense. the media for example makes people afraid and ignorant,which leads to an untrustable environment that doesn't allow to break the cycle
@punkunite123 ohhh and you know this because your a pyschologist and have done the studies? no wrong. sorry. you have nothing to back this up, this is a fantasy simply put. I would LOVE if this were true!!! i truely would!!! Evolution gave us the fact that we put ourselves before anything else, and those of us who realize to put others before us are "the good" in the world. In reality people just dont care. im sorry.
@screwtrix for one to contribute to society and everyone else is contributing to there own best interest because they know that by making a contribution to society is making their life better and hence the world, it is in your best interest is what people need to understand.
@VileMisanthropy as beautiful as this sounds, you sound very ignorant. very many world leaders do sick things for there own personal agenda and bank, look at gadaffi for instance, many leaders know they are in the wrong, but they dont care enough about the world, your making an assumption that there is no evil in the world, only misguidance, NEWS FLASH, some people dont mind being bad. . .go south of your downtown city at 3 am, with bags of cocaine, tell me what is contributed to the world
@screwtrix Its not that people simply "don't mind being bad" thats ridiculously absurd and a cop out, you have to use critical thought to break it down to incentive and the root cause of the symptom (being evil as you put it) you'll find that world leaders do horrible things often out of corporate corruption and exploitation, many people become addicted to drugs because of surrounding environment and social depravity...
@VileMisanthropy some people think being thuggish and "hard" is cool, i understand where your coming from if only everyone became "enlightened" and thought the way we do..I PROMISE, that will NEVER happen. . .its been happening since the begginign of time, its not just gonna change over the next thousand years, people are too selfish.....if most people knew they could absoletley get away with stealing 1,000,000 dollars they would, shit if they could get away with 100$ they would do it.
@screwtrix ...banks and corporations are addicted to power and profit with the fear of letting go, so addicted they can't admit it which is the first sign of addiction which is denial. I could go on, its a value system disorder.
@VileMisanthropy but that has nothing to do with your previous statement above, as i agree with that comment, the comment that everyone does things to contribute to society in there best interest, is so blatantly wrong, because its the complete opposite, some people will kill an old lady for 10$, the second largest crime in the world above armed trades, and drug trafficking is human trafficking, these guys will rape 6 yr old girls. man open your eyes. this world is evil.
@VileMisanthropy america has a terrible problem, houston has the worst sex trafficking, D.C. has the worst child sex trafficking....the only people who can afford that in D.C. are our legislators. . . theres no best interest, only "me"
@screwtrix I am a psychologist, I have done studies, but I thought on my own, ideas based on facts... if u don't know anything about "evolution" than read a book about it and make up your mind... if u do that, u'll see that the only reason people would put theirselves before others is cos we have this "surviving gene". BUT if science (+ the development of humankind) change this competition lifestyle, we don't need leaders, and everybody will have what they want (which will be less than now)
@santjime You can't just take away police immedietly, you first have to eliminate the need for police, the very fact that we need police is a concern and is just a small sign telling us we are still in our infancy of civilization and are still not yet civilized. You have to remember we produce scarcity it results in crime, we produce abundance we produce civility, I can broaden that further if you wish to go into the abyss of detail over what monetary incentive & high stress environment create
I just had an idea. Zeitgiest should make like a sims type game... and use this to design the society now that they wish to see in the future. This would make it a lot easier for people to see what they mean. :-)
@TheaDragonSpirit : I was thinking that they should manufacture the homes they design at the Research Center and sell them so that people could see and live in what the future will be like, while also getting data on how the units actually perform. Your idea sounds more feasible ^-^
Very inspirational video, yes what speaker said in the video is absolute true and completely support his argument because we are in living in materialistic world and feared from many years with COMMUNISM
@NAZMY2003 wars will never stop, i agree, but they will not involve real death, for they will be in cyberspace. wars of information, computer game wars of the cyber kind, etc. use your imagination, it's more valuable than you think ;)
@NAZMY2003 i have seen it, it will not stop. if i could afford the download charges i'd be downloading julian's insurance torrent. some say it will mean politicians will be afraid to say what they really think, but personally i believe it will mean politicians will be more accountable for their actions.
@NAZMY2003 wars will never stop, i agree, but they will not involve real death, for they will be in cyberspace. wars of information, computer game wars of the cyber kind, etc. use your imagination, it's more valuable than you think ;)
@NAZMY2003 wars will never stop, i agree, but they will not involve real death, for they will be in cyberspace. wars of information, computer game wars of the cyber kind, etc. use your imagination, it's more valuable than you think ;)
@NAZMY2003 This isn't a world without problems. It's a world where the problems of survival are solved. No one would go without food, or fresh water, or a house, or a method of fast reliable transportation. What about the problems of interstellar travel, discovering other life in the universe, curing complex diseases like schizophrenia, creating new and profound technologies.
There are billions of "problems" to be solved, but having food to eat shouldn't be one of them.
@NAZMY2003 Haha :D I think many of us fail to strike the correct balance between cold hard "facts" and religion. Many people falsely put all faith into "facts" because they think they are unchangable. But we see revisions in what we "know" all of the time. The idea there is to be open to new possibility while still placing, lets say 99.9% belief in them. Gravity will most always keep me from flying into space, but what we actually know about gravity changes all the time.
Religion as we know it must concede to its inaccuracies just as science does. Unfortunately, religion doesn't like to do this, and so when it does change, it makes huge changes almost as if God came down to earth and decreed it. And since we never see any obvious signs of God making huge interferences like that, we call bullshit! There may be a God or there might not. There are many great logical arguments on either side. But what IS the truth is that we align with nature, or die :(
@enlightenedone676 "Super high technological humans that we shall call "Ufo's" are coming to visit us here on the Planet Earth. To change the way Human electronics cosmic brain cells information's. About how to behave in the galactic federal law, to a new dimensional thoughts!"
@darkjedi327 They do exist, albeit with major holes. Usually something to do with semantics, and the 'meaning' of a word which is taken out of context or redefined. Personally, I identify with a weak atheist perspective. I require evidence for my beliefs because people act based on their beliefs, and I prefer to act based on reason. That said, I like to keep an open mind. Evolution requires plasticity. It's what got us through tough evolutionary times in the past, and hopefully the future.
@enlightenedone676 we can blaim the banks and government, but if you do the math, if every american contributed 5$ a week, that would be enough to feed most starving children. . . .its in OUR hands, simply put we just arent doing anything, be honest with yourself, how much HAVE YOU contributed to feeding the starving . . . . . .you understand now? the problem is in OUR hand, we shouldnt rely on the government. . .
@screwtrix I help out as much as I can. I've given away most of the things that I don't need and I live a modest life. I help out with the Goodwill, Habitat for Humanity and other groups as much as I can. Apathy and inaction are indeed a huge part of the problem, but regardless, it doesn't matter how many 5$ bills you throw at the earth, it still won't cover the trillions of dollars of debt that the earth is in. The money doesn't exist to pay off that debt, unless more money is 'borrowed'.
@enlightenedone676 LOL the world is not in debt, in 1913 they changed the law that a federal note didnt have to be backed up by gold, we have been asking for this, the elite bankers laught at it, all the money we do have was borrowed from the families anyways, we are in debt to them, and they control the world.
@screwtrix Semantics. I suppose if you define the world as the people who own it, then yes, the world has plenty of money. On the other hand, if you consider the earth the poorest 90% of the people on the planet, including the countries that are supposed to represent them, then we are most definitely in debt. Instead of convincing every american to donate $5, including the over 10% unemployed, how about we convince all americans that the banks are fucking them and actually get the system changed
@enlightenedone676 I agree on the technology part. But there of course is a "resource" problem. It might not be hard for you to find something to eat, but don't forget that %50 of this world lives for under $2 a day. Undoubtedly, there is poverty and this is caused by the management of resources + how the system works. So eating is a huge and an important problem; make some empathy. However, the growth of technology should continue at a faster pace, so that it can help us in a lot of ways.
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Incredible that videos from incredible ppl like him only have 44023 views while Miley Cirus got millions without teachin somethin, only makin this world more ignorant!
take it to the personal messages or email, u guys are fuckin spamming the comment section. im gonna flag every comments of urs soon. Sort it out in private.
A "type 1 civilization", either we are intelligent enough to make it, or we're not. We are going to have the answer very soon ;-) Any species that can't form a natural equilibrium with its environment will go extinct. The "free market" is not free, the cost will the extinction of humanity, which might not be an entirely bad thing.
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary society principles) - applied - radical inclusion is a must -
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary principles) - applied - radical inclusion is a must -
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary principles) - applied - radical inclusion is a must -
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary principles) - applied - radical inclusion is a must -
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary principles) - applied -
Native Americans were "Free," "Generous," and "Femily Oriented," and look, they didn't have a Monetary System. However, them Greed Filled Folks wanted their lad, they exploited them and stole their land, took advantage of their innocence and lack of technology, to end their ways of "True" Freedom. But, now we all have the Tech, let us use it wise, build rather than destroy, revert to the Native American Way. Good Idea, RIGHT !>?
Jacque, I admire your passion. I believe the ones who speak with their heart, gut and mind without fear of judgment while walking in steps of peace need to be heard.
@isolateslowfaults You are the NWO dis-informer! You NWO elitist scum!! It has to be your way or no way doesnt it? If you don't got the dough then too bad, looks like you dont get to eat or have shelter or clean water, looks like you have to die! Is that what you think? Fuck you! I say that anyone supporting this evil corrupt monetary system is a NWO bully! ...You brainwashed little alex jones clone, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY!
For the people who think that things are invented just for profit. You are incorrect. Once an invention is ultimately brought to the market, a company will research it and 'improve' it. This is where the profit comes in because of competition.
80% of all inventions come from back yards, tool sheds and garages by individuals usually with no major economic power. Just regular Joe's. You an me.
WE are CREATORS, and we are INTELLIGENT BEINGS.
Once we start competing its back to ANIMAL INSTINCT.
@koberask RBE'S do not work, see the economic calculation problem. It's absolutely impossible to function because we are not ANTS, we have no idea what's going on in other people's heads.
@ExquisiteDoom First, how do you know they do not work? And why would an RBE require us to read minds? You sound like you know too much about the false game theory or something. A resource based economy not only will work, but is the ONLY system that will work. This one does not, it has NO relation to the earth, NO relation to the well being of humanity, and is totally despotic.
@koberask It can't work because RBE's do not function optimally when sentient beings are involved. Your needs can't be defined by anyone else but you, but an RBE by definition forces a resource allocation system that is top to bottom despite the fact needs come from the bottom up, RBE turns reality on it's head and makes it look like idea. But fine just keep aggressively ignoring economic theories while advocating economic theories of your own. Very authoritarian of you.
Is this name-calling actually appeal to you, guys? You don't even have a dialogue, because each of you speaks, but the words never reach the target. And to answer a question.. Why would anyone create if there are no monetary incentives? We might have a sick relative, and we try to find a cure. We might just be passionate about what we do. We are curious what would happen if... SO MANY ANSWERS!
@sebyhsa There's a video here on YouTube that will answer your question about incentive. It was a study funded by the Federal Reserve, which is the root of all monetary evil: watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
I found it interesting that an institution that TVP is fighting against unknowingly aided us.
@sebyhsa human beings are curious by nature. it is the only human trait that can be put down to nature. everything else we have is learned. we learn fear. we learn monetary incentive. we learn competition. if you observe young children you will see real human nature. children are always asking questions and exploring and taking things apart to see what is inside. these traits are beaten out of us. we are told to shut up, stay put, and don't touch that!
A MUST SEE for anyone that actually cares about another human being and all of the earths's inhabitants!!! We must change or reap our own destruction...the time is NOW...what are we waiting for? We must move out of our narcissistic me, me, me, me, me mentality...social attitudes...rigidity, yes, we are all narcissistic (selfish, self-focused, and arrogant) in this material culture! LOVE is not about us...it is about ALL of us...living as ONE!!! Everyone matters!!!
@Throughthetruth Any new idea or innovation your can call a new World order, there are no THEY its a TENDENCY inside the monetary system because of money produce a scarycity.
@micap20078 zeitgeist is idiocy. The idea of resource calculation has been debunked over and over by economists. Needs come from individuals, you and I. If a bunch of people in a council make a decision as to what things are worth, then there is a huge disconnect between individuals and council. Plus, even though there is no money, there still is profit, incentives or something as subjective as corruption. Why would one work, when it's easier not to work? VP is really stupid.
@ExquisiteDoom "Why would one work, when it's easier not to work"? so what your saying is you would actually like to spend your whole life doing and achieving nothing.... and also technology replaces a persons work. prohit comes from scarcity there are enough resources. and once people are conditioned out of greed rich and poor ownership. people will want to share the earth resources. VP is a great better than what we have now.... shame your so pussy about it..
@micap20078 Why would i work, when someone else literally steals my fruits of labor for himself? Technology doesn't just APPEAR, it takes TIME, EFFORT, RESOURCES.
Enough resources? According to who? You? Not convincing.
People will just share their shit when they don't have extra? You have to first work, plan, capitalize (create extra) to then share. Would you really share shit you barely even have enough of for a perfect stranger?
@ExquisiteDoom You seriously have no idea about the very BASIC things about a resource-based economy and the venus project. And please watch this to understand that this is more than possible if we utilize this technology! /watch?v=M2nxCp9Hwxs
@koberask You did not address the points, way to go buddy. All you have to do is read about the economic calculation problem which refutes zeitgeist and VP in it's entirety. Quit hiding from critiques like a retard and evolve like i have or remain an ignorant peon to be used as a drone for the collective insanity that is the VP and zeitgeist movement. Peter Joseph is a very good demagogue , but i don't think you even know what that is because you just follow what makes you feel good inside.
@micap20078 You're probably without a goal, unemployed, and looking for a reason that doesn't hurt your ego other than the fact that you aren't productive to anyone else's eyes. Finding excuses for others to PAY for your hobbies. Robbing Peter to pay Paul doesn't create wealth (since you idiots can't tell the fucking difference, wealth is abundance) for anyone but Paul.
How much of your life have you spent doing what's easier rather than harder(without future gain for yourself) ? Hypocrite.
@micap20078 If i just consolidated right now and just told you, "Ok you are correct i am wrong you win", you would gain psychological profit. Which i bet is the whole reason you're even replying. Profit.
@ExquisiteDoom ok what you said about me right there is YOUR ego creating ideas, stereotypes and making assumptions about someone whom youve never even met. of course its pychological everything is but you create your own reality think about how ignorant the population is right now of the ego then imagine people becoming educated & aware of their egoic behaviour. people are selfish now because the system forces them noone can trust each other. system changes & awareness& behaviour will change.
@micap20078 People are selfish because if they weren't they would not survive you bloody walking logical fallacy you. Without psychological egoism, you DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR OWN EXISTENCE. Without the various biological feedback mechanisms you have been bestowed there is no way in fuck hell you would even be alive to argue. If you try to remove psychological egoism, you will remove the stud that holds humanity together. By the way, you are projecting onto me also, you hypocrite.
@ExquisiteDoom the ego is going to lead us to our doom it is the reason we hate kill,sorrow, greed is conditioned by scacity & the egoic need for identity that is desperate to enhance itself. when tiger kills its not egoic reason but its need for food.we need a world without rich, poor or scarcity i recommend u read eckhart tolle. the reason why i replied to is not to insult but to get u understand im sure no doubt u will reply again with some desperete egoic insult to boost yourself esteem.
@micap20078 You don't understand how to analyze do you? Ego is going to kill us because of sorrow and greed? So what, magically greed goes away if we have an RBE? Isn't that a bit of a leap of faith? You think MONEY ferments greed and not the other way around?
The reason i use ad hominem is because i want to shame you for spewing non-cognitive horse shit. Not to boost my ego, even though it does to some level isn't why i do it.
You attack the rich because of your self-esteem. I did that too.
@micap20078 you're not reading a 10 minutes read but you're trying to get me to read a book? do you realize how the onus on you and not me here? It's not a fair trade, screw you.
@ExquisiteDoom I'll just repeat it in case you missed it, read the economic calculation problem, it's clean, clear and logical plus it's shorter than a book.
@ExquisiteDoom There is no relevance to what you said and the venus project. And you contradicted yourself. Also, you must not know that the profit motive does not work. There, learn what actually drives us. Also, calling something stupid you know nothing about is totally insane. What council?? What resource calculation? And how does economics prove anything, like saying that the bible is the word of god because it says it in the bible...
@koberask You're an idiot. You say i contradicted myself, yet you do not show where, how convenient. You just make blanket assertions such as "profit motives do not work" without explaining why. You don't understand why a council is required because you don't understand how labor requires a certain orchestration for it to be efficient or even promote wealth. People can't just do what they want without any coordination and expect profitable results. You don't even know what economics are, dolt.
@ExquisiteDoom Dude, I am not your teacher. Grow up an do some research. Fuck economics. I know what I am talking about, that is all that matters. You are attacking what I know without having any real substantial argument against it because you don't know what you are talking about. The profit motive only works in very mechanical tasks. That is what I mean, anything above this and it actually has a negative effect. Watch "The surprising truth about what motivates us". Look it up. And fuck off.
@koberask "Fuck economics. I know what I am talking about, that is all that matters." All that matters is what you say, not what others criticize you for, that's called ego buddy, that much ego won't make the VP work and you know this.
You also fail at epistemology and logic 101. Claiming knowledge without deduction is impossible, and knowing what you know is circular reasoning.
"The profit motive only works in very mechanical tasks." That's vague as shit. What is a mechanical task?
@koberask Secondly, what the fuck is a negative effect? Compared to what? According to who? You? Shit, your analytic skills lack some serious tools , how the hell are you going to find any truth if you commit logical errors and leap over the whole field of economics without even attempting to debunk it first? Everyone knows people are motivated by their rational self-interests, it doesn't take a PHD, or too much philosophical background to figure that one out. You're lying to yourself.
@koberask Thirdly, RBE is part of economics. You're advocating economic solutions, yet you don't know what economics are. That's how stupid you sound to me, also how rediculous you sound to anyone who has SOME background in econ 101.
@ExquisiteDoom RBE can hardly be called economics. it just means, u have a bunch of stuff to do something, and u have to manage those stuff intelligently. theres no trading, only trade offs.
@UnluckyGambler " u have a bunch of stuff to do something, and u have to manage those stuff " which is the art of economizing. You could also say that's how one defines politics, but politics refer to the means to an end, whereas economics deal with cause and effect. RBE means an economy that is based on resources, which is vague as hell seeing as how monetary economics are entirerly based on resources. No resources, no money.
@ExquisiteDoom that is obviously not true. economics as we know it depends greatly on supply and demand. low supply, aka scarcity, drives prices up, so the people who control the resources (which arent theirs to control in the first place) can control the price by controlling the supply, aka artificial scarcity. so even abundant resources can be made scarce.
also, economics is people trading stuff with each other, whereas RBE is people working together to create abundance for everyone.
@UnluckyGambler It's obvious to me you have no experience in investing or understand how supply curves function for if you did you'd see how stupid it is to restrict supply as you are simply destroying your own business because competition obviously will not restrict supply on the off chance that every other industry out there will restrict it. As for saying it's not "theirs" that stems from a property rights misunderstanding, property is subjective, therefore you're only giving an opinion.
@UnluckyGambler Economics - the branch of social science that deals with the production and distribution and consumption of goods and services and their management. I tend to agree with this definition. In which case that is what an RBE is. It's obvious to me you're trying to obfuscate information in order to pull off your agenda. RBE = resource based economy, where does it say people working together to create abundance? Seems to me like you're making stuff up.
@ExquisiteDoom if u look at it in the way that contemporary economics is each person managing what they have, then RBE is the entire human race as a single entity managing what the earth has.
@UnluckyGambler That sounds like collectivistic slavespeak, human race as a single entity... no i'm sorry but that's not a reality, aggregations and recollections and giving it a name is called conceptualizing. Concepts can be reduced to smaller parts because in reality they are the smaller parts, not the other way around. RBE just means an economy that is based on resources, you are again making stuff up. Just because we have resources and no money doesn't mean we can live fuller lives.
@UnluckyGambler You don't need people working "together" to have an economy... So yea, RBE doesn't imply anything you said.
Humanity as a single entity is mental illness, humanity is a concept to describe a group of humans, are you suggesting an aggregation can become the particles? Why do you promote obvious contradictions?
No you don't know what you're talking about because the oil industry is not a monopoly, it is an international cartel protected by third world GOVERNMENTS, the OPEC.
@UnluckyGambler No, i wasn't arguing for the definition of economics, i was arguing for the fact that Resource Based ECONOMIES advocates ironically IGNORES economic principles.
@ExquisiteDoom still u r missing the point, and keeps on picking at trivial details.
yes, oil industry is a cartel, i couldnt remember that word at the time. the point was, that cartel has no competition, therefore its free to limit the oil supply to the world. it was just an example.
RBE implies humanity working together as a single entity, because u cant have separate groups competing against one another while sharing resources.
@UnluckyGambler You have to admit resources require management. And since in an RBE, the supply isn't dictated by demand but by top to bottom management, you have to admit that this said management will probably demand specialized powers, and that's when you form a government, a communist one at that too. If there is no management from top to bottom, how then do we garantee that production will be in synchronization with human needs without losses? You can't do that without money, mate.
@UnluckyGambler My beef with your use of monopoly is that it ignores government action which is what perverts the incentive structure of any economy. The reason why i corrected you is because the OPEC cartel is a government one, funded with extorted money at gunpoint (Well, to make a long story short, it is). I like to differ markets from government as one is voluntary, the other is forced. And i happen to beleive the VP will create a brewing ground for some nasty state.
@ExquisiteDoom and i dont know what u think when u hear the phrase "humanity as a single entity", but the way i meant it is simply everyone cooperating with each other, rather than competing against each other. surely u dont think cooperation is a mental illness.
tell me about the economic principles that u assume RBE ignores. ill probly agree that RBE ignores those, which is precisely why i said RBE isnt exactly an economy in the mainstream sense.
@UnluckyGambler I don't think cooperation is a mental illness, but i certainly think that you have a pretty biased view of how markets function. The only competition you see is amongst firms that deals in the same sector. Have you seen how many workers of different companies actually cooperate with each other with the same productive end in any factory out there? Car manufacturing cooperate with hundreds of other companies just to get you a car at a decent price!
@UnluckyGambler Well it ignores the economic calculation problem for one.It doesn't deny incentives exist, but Peter Joseph does which leads me to consider that being number 2. And 3, money is the only way to calculate subjective valuations. non-subsidized profit is necessarilly a net gain on society as it denotes that the product created is desired and provides more value than it's bare resources. Many factors can enhance this profit, and you would be very surprised how society friendly it is.
@ExquisiteDoom ah, i see ur problem. u forgot that RBE relies heavily on abundance, and that is one of the vital parts of TVP. once everything is abundant, there will be no need for money, just like we dont need money to buy air right now. the so-called "management" in a RBE is merely measuring what the earth is capable of resource-wise, create abundance of the necessities of life first, and the things that MAY be scarce, like rare elements for research projects, will be managed differently.
@UnluckyGambler That's the typical problem VP advocates have, they seem to think abundance is right there, the technology advocated will magically pop out of nowhere and be efficient.
Second issue is that you can't just have an economy that is based on how many resources we currently have. A monetary economy recognizes the complications and demands of said resources. Mining requires energy, how do we know if Iron is worth the trouble of even getting over food? How do we prevent losses?
@ExquisiteDoom abundance IS right there. i dont know much about economics (and to point out the inaccuracy of ur analogy, i know ENOUGH about X to know Y is better), but i do know technology.
explain ur second issue. i dont understand what ur saying there. prevent losses? not getting iron because it might not be more valuable than food? i cant make sense of these things, do elaborate.
people work for money because we are indoctrinated to do so. this is true. working for free is odd nowadays.
@UnluckyGambler That's silly, how the hell do you even know if you know enough about economics? What, is it fractional banking that got you so worked up? Because if that's so, i'll explain to you in clear words how Peter hid key information while making it's mention.
Mining requires energy, a workforce that is synchronized by a form of management, same way an orchestra functions, it has to produce more efficiently than the capital invested. Without a monetary system, you would have no clue.
@ExquisiteDoom im against the monetary based system because of what jacque fresco said, and from what ive observed in my life. fresco is the reason why i believe i know enough about economics.
mining requires little labor, once we have the technology to mine with little labor. can we acquire such tech? yes. do we have them now in abundance? no. but that is why the transition from here to the venus project will be so hard. once we actually get there, mining would be no problem.
@UnluckyGambler Eh, Jacques is a pretty amazing guy i'll give you that but you can't just solely base your whole life ethics on what one dude says, there are a lot of people on this planet and some of them HAVE put thought into this. You have to weigh arguments, there's lots of shit you can't know a priori which is exactly what VALUE is. I could link you to stuff but i don't think you'll bother looking into it.
"once we have the technology" again, that requires capital (which is not MONEY).
@ExquisiteDoom I really wish you would try to answer this question : How do you isolate value a priori? How do you; keep in mind that you are not paid and can do subjectively easier things at any time (and you know this because you agree with incentives which is a powerful blow to the VP) and do not suffer if you fail or waste resources, magically figure out what to make without consuming more resources than necessarilly could be done when you have NO WAY of comparing with anything?
@ExquisiteDoom if what i assume is correct, then my answer is i dont yet know. jacque and roxanne always said the transition phase would be painful, im still researching more and more about TVP. college is keeping me busy though.
however in recent videos ive heard jacque say things like "if u want to give incentive to people to get them to work night shifts, give them shorter hours". maybe thats part of his solution.
@UnluckyGambler Wait a minute, give them shorter hours? There is no pay involved right,? So they will reduce working hours...instead of raising wages? Isn't this going to lead to less production.... in other words, losses...? How do we get all this technology working in less than 10 years if we just reduce hours to gain incentive to work? Plus, the amount of hours would be arbitrary...
Jacques really is densely retarded when it comes to talking about incentives if i got your comment correctly.
@ExquisiteDoom so u say people cant be changed as dramatically as we want? by what do u base this conclusion on? i cite u many examples that support my stance.
using other peoples labor for myself? what did u mean by this? r u talking about people laying in the sun while other people work? this has also been addressed in numerous TVP videos.
the comment i made about reduced work hours, like i said, is not complete. i dont know how that works yet, i still need to do more research. dont judge.
@UnluckyGambler Unpaid labor is slavery as you work for other people. In your case however it's not that simple, not only do you not know how much you can consume in comparison to how much labor you provided but other people can consume what you created by consuming what you made and perhaps even more than that. It's obvious to me that this will cause many conflicts regardless of how much you indoctrinate people into beleiving that this is virtuous.
@ExquisiteDoom religion and state ARE emergent entities, but they emerge very slowly because they are holding on hard to their established systems, trying to resist change as hard as they can.
state religion and culture are closely related, kinda like a venn diagram when i try to visualize it.
how is indoctrination not a good thing? remember, ur the one who likes to call it indoctrination, what it really is is enlightenment. i was just humoring u. dont confuse what u and i call it.
@UnluckyGambler Indoctrination is enlightenment? You just pretty much said states hold on to their presuppositions and are resistant to change; do you ignore how states control the education system? Is this not indoctrination? Are then states enlightenment? Obviously not. To me, indoctrination is when you force your way of life unto others without giving a shit about that individual's biological and psychological needs. How is that not going to be used in a destructive manner?
@ExquisiteDoom oh no, indoctrination is indoctrination, enlightenment is enlightenment. what the venus project proposes is to enlighten people, but u chose to call such a process indoctrination, a term i only used to humor u.
u keep assuming the people of TVP's future will be just like us. obviously, thats not going to work, like u so elaborately explained, and we couldnt agree more. which is where this enlightenment process (u call indoctrination) comes in. our value system must change first.
@UnluckyGambler wtf, how is your enlightenment process NOT indoctrination? When all you do is dismiss every point i make and summon red herrings to avoid dealing with them? What you just think "educating" people to ignore their rational self interest is going to lead to enlightenment? All you're doing is SAYING this is enlightenment but what IS enlightenment? How do you go about doing it? I even defined indoctrination for you, how much clearer do i have to be?
@ExquisiteDoom i addressed every point u made except from ur last batch of comments. u didnt seem to understand me, so i looked for the root of the problem, which appeared to be ur lack of understanding of what we plan to do to enlighten people. now it is clear, u really think our enlightenment process is not enlightenment but indoctrination, so i shall elaborate on this, because it is the root of our disagreement.
and no, i have absolutely nothing invested in TVP other than my own wellbeing.
@UnluckyGambler You did address them, but here's what you do. I make point A, you address it. I make point B, you address it but you completely ignore point A is still a factor and you tend to make an answer that is invalidated by point A. It's not like you debunked point A because i have carefully explained every time why your response is problematic, but then you just ignore that. It's like you're not trying to learn the arguments, but trying to win the argument.
@ExquisiteDoom i dont think i ever ignored these "point A"s. i guess my arguments just didnt get to u.
correct, good, ur just arguing semantics. no, i guarantee u im not for brainwashing. i am an atheist, after all. this can be analogized with religion. obviously, religious communities indoctrinate/brainwash their young, while atheistic/scientific families present their children with evidence, which is enlightenment.
its not about how u view killing, it was an example regarding indoctrination.
Time for change
DRWMF 1 week ago
You may say I'm a dreamer, but thankfully there are people like me, because without these dreams what are you left with? ....... Your nightmares? ....... the cold and lonely nights they leave
DrQandtheGang 1 month ago
AMAZING!! Make sure you like/share this video and similar others to raise awareness of our current problems + show the way for the new path that is possible.
SuperDiDom 1 month ago
I..i need to do something. Everyday, every second, i hate my life more and more. I can't just not do anything. We all live in this fake ass fucking life. I am in rage all the time because of this. I turn on the tv, FAKE. i go to wrok, even more fake. It's pathetic. What I do, what we all do, and people call it life? What the fuck is this? I get lost in confusion so much.. This isn't what humans are supposed to do. God. I NEED TO DO SOMETHING BUT I JUST CANT
hallorand9 2 months ago
@hallorand9 Bullshit, you can do something. Here's what you can do: 1st- go to the Venus Project.com. and open an account. 2nd- If you have a printer, download a brochure from the website and make many, many copies of it. 3rd- Put them on every doorstep of every house you can in your neighborhood. We are still an extremely small movement, only a little over 500,000 worldwide, we need to get out there before we are to late to do so. Never, feel that you can do nothing,
peterjoseph001 2 months ago 4
I love A Perfect Circle.
moobiful 3 months ago
religion must die
micap20078 3 months ago
"a man ahead of his time"
I look up to this man.
hallorand9 6 months ago 2
testing
VolcanicPenguin 6 months ago
They are actually taking an interest (the current system) in ecology but they screwed it up again by handing over the problem salving to the market.
It would be hard to explain the details because there is not enough typing space but if you watch "the story of cap&trade" found also here on youtube, it will become a little more clear to you!
Don't complain to your goverment about the problems, they are sacks of shit, BECOME THE CHANGE you wanna see in the world!
Beef1188 7 months ago 2
Thx for this awesome video!
JonDOrleans 7 months ago
More Americans die every year from peanut allergies than terrorism. Yet, we spend ROUGHLY 50x the amount of money on terrorism, than the #1 cause of death in America - Corinary Heart disease.
Is this not corruption?
Please watch the Zeitgeist trilogy and join the movement.
hallorand9 7 months ago
THIS SHIT HAS GOT TO GO
hallorand9 8 months ago
i love this song. by the way, have you "seen" god lately? he hasn't been very efficient. it seems people are deceiving themselves that god will ultimately save them. oh, no, excuse me. in fact, the media is our religion now....yes. stupid me. Oh dear Mass Media, lie me so beautifully ;))) !!
bizudana 8 months ago 4
If you want change, join the ZEITGEIST movement!
enough is enough!
zeitgeistmadeira 8 months ago
I want this so much..but everyday the dark side of me, just wanting to destroy everything, grows, with the thought of this never happening. Im tired of hoping.
hallorand9 9 months ago
@hallorand9 hold on my friend, I know it's hard, but we must stay strong in order to bring change.
Change is near!
zeitgeistmadeira 8 months ago
You destroyed a John Lennon masterpiece you bastards.
polla2256 10 months ago
@polla2256 the power of this song and the ideas behind it greatly outweigh the song that came from john lennon, not to say that song isnt wonderful, but the zeitgeist movement is so much bigger than a song from the Beatles
princekrys6 10 months ago
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Venus project is a Luciferian project, Zeitgeist and Venus project are in reality runs by the Rothschilds familly.
Take care, illuminati have created this project using Jaque Fresco as a puppet to build the artificial paradise of the antichrist (see Brave New World).
You should know that only God can create the real paradise.
Please investigate seriousely, the Illuminati are controlling everything !
NeoGabriel08 10 months ago
@NeoGabriel08 LUCIFER DOES NOT MEAN SATAN, this is a mistranslation the word lucifer was a common hebrew name. and yes i completley agree with you on the illuminati and lucifer, the illuminati are 33rd degree "freemasons" although they have literally nothing to do with freemasonry and its philosophy. theres nothing we can because it is doomed to happen, its in the Bible. we cant stop it nor change it, but Lucifer is NOT satan
santjime 10 months ago
@santjime
In fact yes. I found that Lucifer was Satan at the beguining, in the garden of Eden (the end period) and then became Satan in the medieval part of our history. This is the same soul, but he has change his name. Satan was quite beautiful at the beguining, he has a lot of charm, this is why many (even powerful beings) are trapped.
Satan, Mamon, Belzebuth, Moloch, Baphomet, etc.
You should see The Omen trilogy and the animange serie Monster to understand his personality.
NeoGabriel08 9 months ago
The Solution is Islamic Economic system! Note here i am not saying to adopt Islam as your religion.i am only saying to adopt economic system of Islam, Do share your views But everyone should once read Islamic economic system to solve all these problems!
Harward007 10 months ago 2
ELIMINATE:MONEY-GOVERNMENTS-COMPANIES-RELIGIONS.
AND JUST LEAVE COMMON SENCE
awake2012nibiru 10 months ago 5
@awake2012nibiru i wouldnt trust niggers, i like my police
santjime 10 months ago
@santjime WHAT WAS IT ALL ABOUTH?
I DONT GET THE POINT THERE
MAYBE YOURE TOO CLEVER
MAYBE YOU ARE SUPERGIRL
awake2012nibiru 10 months ago
@awake2012nibiru money= evil
but so many people would cream there panties if they heard there was no police, so then the civilizations would run for there guns to protect themselves, resulting in death and violence on our streets as the accepted norm, id rather that not happen.....
santjime 10 months ago
@santjime crime isn't about the genes peopla are born with, if u put criminals in a peaceful (pacifist) environment, u'll see changes in their behavior and they're not a treath to society anymore. It's harder with criminals who had a bad youth (trauma's etc.) but the reason of a bad youth lays with the people who gave it, which leads back to this first sentense. the media for example makes people afraid and ignorant,which leads to an untrustable environment that doesn't allow to break the cycle
punkunite123 9 months ago
@punkunite123 ohhh and you know this because your a pyschologist and have done the studies? no wrong. sorry. you have nothing to back this up, this is a fantasy simply put. I would LOVE if this were true!!! i truely would!!! Evolution gave us the fact that we put ourselves before anything else, and those of us who realize to put others before us are "the good" in the world. In reality people just dont care. im sorry.
screwtrix 9 months ago
@screwtrix for one to contribute to society and everyone else is contributing to there own best interest because they know that by making a contribution to society is making their life better and hence the world, it is in your best interest is what people need to understand.
VileMisanthropy 9 months ago
@VileMisanthropy as beautiful as this sounds, you sound very ignorant. very many world leaders do sick things for there own personal agenda and bank, look at gadaffi for instance, many leaders know they are in the wrong, but they dont care enough about the world, your making an assumption that there is no evil in the world, only misguidance, NEWS FLASH, some people dont mind being bad. . .go south of your downtown city at 3 am, with bags of cocaine, tell me what is contributed to the world
screwtrix 9 months ago
@screwtrix Its not that people simply "don't mind being bad" thats ridiculously absurd and a cop out, you have to use critical thought to break it down to incentive and the root cause of the symptom (being evil as you put it) you'll find that world leaders do horrible things often out of corporate corruption and exploitation, many people become addicted to drugs because of surrounding environment and social depravity...
VileMisanthropy 9 months ago
@VileMisanthropy some people think being thuggish and "hard" is cool, i understand where your coming from if only everyone became "enlightened" and thought the way we do..I PROMISE, that will NEVER happen. . .its been happening since the begginign of time, its not just gonna change over the next thousand years, people are too selfish.....if most people knew they could absoletley get away with stealing 1,000,000 dollars they would, shit if they could get away with 100$ they would do it.
screwtrix 9 months ago
@screwtrix ...banks and corporations are addicted to power and profit with the fear of letting go, so addicted they can't admit it which is the first sign of addiction which is denial. I could go on, its a value system disorder.
VileMisanthropy 9 months ago
@VileMisanthropy but that has nothing to do with your previous statement above, as i agree with that comment, the comment that everyone does things to contribute to society in there best interest, is so blatantly wrong, because its the complete opposite, some people will kill an old lady for 10$, the second largest crime in the world above armed trades, and drug trafficking is human trafficking, these guys will rape 6 yr old girls. man open your eyes. this world is evil.
screwtrix 9 months ago
@VileMisanthropy america has a terrible problem, houston has the worst sex trafficking, D.C. has the worst child sex trafficking....the only people who can afford that in D.C. are our legislators. . . theres no best interest, only "me"
screwtrix 9 months ago
@screwtrix I am a psychologist, I have done studies, but I thought on my own, ideas based on facts... if u don't know anything about "evolution" than read a book about it and make up your mind... if u do that, u'll see that the only reason people would put theirselves before others is cos we have this "surviving gene". BUT if science (+ the development of humankind) change this competition lifestyle, we don't need leaders, and everybody will have what they want (which will be less than now)
punkunite123 5 months ago
@santjime You can't just take away police immedietly, you first have to eliminate the need for police, the very fact that we need police is a concern and is just a small sign telling us we are still in our infancy of civilization and are still not yet civilized. You have to remember we produce scarcity it results in crime, we produce abundance we produce civility, I can broaden that further if you wish to go into the abyss of detail over what monetary incentive & high stress environment create
VileMisanthropy 9 months ago
"We must be the change we wish to see in the world."
Mahatma Gandhi
jorgekan 11 months ago 3
Profound.
sonamy123 11 months ago
I just had an idea. Zeitgiest should make like a sims type game... and use this to design the society now that they wish to see in the future. This would make it a lot easier for people to see what they mean. :-)
TheaDragonSpirit 11 months ago 9
@TheaDragonSpirit : I was thinking that they should manufacture the homes they design at the Research Center and sell them so that people could see and live in what the future will be like, while also getting data on how the units actually perform. Your idea sounds more feasible ^-^
TheMountainMarauder 10 months ago
COMMON PEOPLE... let's chang this WORLD already.
NOW is the time, not tomorrow.
PadawanRJ 11 months ago 9
Very inspirational video, yes what speaker said in the video is absolute true and completely support his argument because we are in living in materialistic world and feared from many years with COMMUNISM
kvsrraju123 1 year ago
@kvsrraju123 Jacques Fresco is the speaker :)
RavenMad101 1 year ago
6 people are bankers
JonnyProductions 1 year ago 14
Let's do it, lets create the future, for our kids. lets show them what we can do besides killing one another.
zeezo69x 1 year ago 15
@enlightenedone676 i think we the eastern are the biggest danger over your project and the world , pulse we will never leave the religion idea behind
wars will never stop bbwwaahhahahahahahaha
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
@NAZMY2003 wars will never stop, i agree, but they will not involve real death, for they will be in cyberspace. wars of information, computer game wars of the cyber kind, etc. use your imagination, it's more valuable than you think ;)
whatAboutWater 1 year ago
@whatAboutWater you see this wikileaks issue ?? i think it is the first step for the new revolution
common people should stick together to create our justice and equality world
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
@NAZMY2003 i have seen it, it will not stop. if i could afford the download charges i'd be downloading julian's insurance torrent. some say it will mean politicians will be afraid to say what they really think, but personally i believe it will mean politicians will be more accountable for their actions.
whatAboutWater 1 year ago
@NAZMY2003 as for common people, we're all human, if that isn't enough for you, perhaps future generations will :)
whatAboutWater 1 year ago
@whatAboutWater :))
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
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@NAZMY2003 wars will never stop, i agree, but they will not involve real death, for they will be in cyberspace. wars of information, computer game wars of the cyber kind, etc. use your imagination, it's more valuable than you think ;)
whatAboutWater 1 year ago
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@NAZMY2003 wars will never stop, i agree, but they will not involve real death, for they will be in cyberspace. wars of information, computer game wars of the cyber kind, etc. use your imagination, it's more valuable than you think ;)
whatAboutWater 1 year ago
the world without problems will be very boring place i guess
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
@NAZMY2003 This isn't a world without problems. It's a world where the problems of survival are solved. No one would go without food, or fresh water, or a house, or a method of fast reliable transportation. What about the problems of interstellar travel, discovering other life in the universe, curing complex diseases like schizophrenia, creating new and profound technologies.
There are billions of "problems" to be solved, but having food to eat shouldn't be one of them.
enlightenedone676 1 year ago 75
@enlightenedone676 ;)
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
i love you western people :))
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
@NAZMY2003 :D
I love you eastern people never saying what you really mean. Sarcasm is a terrific device :P
enlightenedone676 1 year ago
@enlightenedone676 loool
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
@enlightenedone676 i think we the eastern are the biggest danger over your project and the world , pulse we will never leave the religion idea behind
wars will never stop bbwwaahhahahahahahaha
NAZMY2003 1 year ago
@NAZMY2003 Haha :D I think many of us fail to strike the correct balance between cold hard "facts" and religion. Many people falsely put all faith into "facts" because they think they are unchangable. But we see revisions in what we "know" all of the time. The idea there is to be open to new possibility while still placing, lets say 99.9% belief in them. Gravity will most always keep me from flying into space, but what we actually know about gravity changes all the time.
enlightenedone676 1 year ago
Religion as we know it must concede to its inaccuracies just as science does. Unfortunately, religion doesn't like to do this, and so when it does change, it makes huge changes almost as if God came down to earth and decreed it. And since we never see any obvious signs of God making huge interferences like that, we call bullshit! There may be a God or there might not. There are many great logical arguments on either side. But what IS the truth is that we align with nature, or die :(
enlightenedone676 1 year ago 98
@enlightenedone676 "Super high technological humans that we shall call "Ufo's" are coming to visit us here on the Planet Earth. To change the way Human electronics cosmic brain cells information's. About how to behave in the galactic federal law, to a new dimensional thoughts!"
bikines 1 year ago
@enlightenedone676 Please tell me this many great logical arguments proving that god exists.
TheChocolateSoul 1 year ago 2
@enlightenedone676 logical arguments for religion? name two!
darkjedi327 8 months ago
@darkjedi327 They do exist, albeit with major holes. Usually something to do with semantics, and the 'meaning' of a word which is taken out of context or redefined. Personally, I identify with a weak atheist perspective. I require evidence for my beliefs because people act based on their beliefs, and I prefer to act based on reason. That said, I like to keep an open mind. Evolution requires plasticity. It's what got us through tough evolutionary times in the past, and hopefully the future.
enlightenedone676 8 months ago
@enlightenedone676 we can blaim the banks and government, but if you do the math, if every american contributed 5$ a week, that would be enough to feed most starving children. . . .its in OUR hands, simply put we just arent doing anything, be honest with yourself, how much HAVE YOU contributed to feeding the starving . . . . . .you understand now? the problem is in OUR hand, we shouldnt rely on the government. . .
screwtrix 9 months ago
@screwtrix I help out as much as I can. I've given away most of the things that I don't need and I live a modest life. I help out with the Goodwill, Habitat for Humanity and other groups as much as I can. Apathy and inaction are indeed a huge part of the problem, but regardless, it doesn't matter how many 5$ bills you throw at the earth, it still won't cover the trillions of dollars of debt that the earth is in. The money doesn't exist to pay off that debt, unless more money is 'borrowed'.
enlightenedone676 9 months ago
@enlightenedone676 LOL the world is not in debt, in 1913 they changed the law that a federal note didnt have to be backed up by gold, we have been asking for this, the elite bankers laught at it, all the money we do have was borrowed from the families anyways, we are in debt to them, and they control the world.
screwtrix 9 months ago
@screwtrix Semantics. I suppose if you define the world as the people who own it, then yes, the world has plenty of money. On the other hand, if you consider the earth the poorest 90% of the people on the planet, including the countries that are supposed to represent them, then we are most definitely in debt. Instead of convincing every american to donate $5, including the over 10% unemployed, how about we convince all americans that the banks are fucking them and actually get the system changed
enlightenedone676 9 months ago
@enlightenedone676 I agree on the technology part. But there of course is a "resource" problem. It might not be hard for you to find something to eat, but don't forget that %50 of this world lives for under $2 a day. Undoubtedly, there is poverty and this is caused by the management of resources + how the system works. So eating is a huge and an important problem; make some empathy. However, the growth of technology should continue at a faster pace, so that it can help us in a lot of ways.
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ivylsp 1 year ago
Incredible that videos from incredible ppl like him only have 44023 views while Miley Cirus got millions without teachin somethin, only makin this world more ignorant!
blingwithme 1 year ago
333 likes? it seems... perfect...
crittinger 1 year ago
a little too cheezzyyyy
'barnak
TTamRR 1 year ago
This song should be zeitgeist anthem
halfcolombian72 1 year ago
to ExquiisteDoom and UnluckyGambler :
take it to the personal messages or email, u guys are fuckin spamming the comment section. im gonna flag every comments of urs soon. Sort it out in private.
TBG1984 1 year ago
@TBG1984 Don't care.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
This mad world .... Look at the people they do not know what they are ! Total distorted society !
Unexpec7ed 1 year ago
The only way forward for the human race is to harness the clean power/energy of the sun, wave, wind, and thermal power/energy?
Free seems to be uncomprehending?
Cost seems to annihilate any future development! Why?
If we don`t move forward soon we all perish, including our children!
If you`re happy and content in this delusional world so be it!
May kindness,love and peace weep for us all!
TheLetsbegin 1 year ago
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Ultra4 1 year ago
A "type 1 civilization", either we are intelligent enough to make it, or we're not. We are going to have the answer very soon ;-) Any species that can't form a natural equilibrium with its environment will go extinct. The "free market" is not free, the cost will the extinction of humanity, which might not be an entirely bad thing.
Appleriver3 1 year ago 2
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary society principles) - applied - radical inclusion is a must -
Quform 1 year ago
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Quform 1 year ago
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary principles) - applied - radical inclusion is a must -
Quform 1 year ago
One simple, personal ethical step is required - from unenlighted self interest (ie. self interest at the expense or exclusion of others) to enlightened self interest where the good of one is the good of all (as in the rotary principles) - applied -
Quform 1 year ago
YA!!! A Perfect Circle another reason why I like the Zeitgeist movement
Stinkfist43 1 year ago
Move forward...
TZMRussia 1 year ago
Native Americans were "Free," "Generous," and "Femily Oriented," and look, they didn't have a Monetary System. However, them Greed Filled Folks wanted their lad, they exploited them and stole their land, took advantage of their innocence and lack of technology, to end their ways of "True" Freedom. But, now we all have the Tech, let us use it wise, build rather than destroy, revert to the Native American Way. Good Idea, RIGHT !>?
Dragnoxz 1 year ago
Jacque, I admire your passion. I believe the ones who speak with their heart, gut and mind without fear of judgment while walking in steps of peace need to be heard.
ikesideas 1 year ago
NWO fucking bullshit!
isolateslowfaults 1 year ago
@isolateslowfaults You are the NWO dis-informer! You NWO elitist scum!! It has to be your way or no way doesnt it? If you don't got the dough then too bad, looks like you dont get to eat or have shelter or clean water, looks like you have to die! Is that what you think? Fuck you! I say that anyone supporting this evil corrupt monetary system is a NWO bully! ...You brainwashed little alex jones clone, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY!
koberask 1 year ago
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alexk20z3 1 year ago
Maynard is GOD
alexk20z3 1 year ago
For the people who think that things are invented just for profit. You are incorrect. Once an invention is ultimately brought to the market, a company will research it and 'improve' it. This is where the profit comes in because of competition.
80% of all inventions come from back yards, tool sheds and garages by individuals usually with no major economic power. Just regular Joe's. You an me.
WE are CREATORS, and we are INTELLIGENT BEINGS.
Once we start competing its back to ANIMAL INSTINCT.
lukerides666 1 year ago
Resource-Based Economy!
koberask 1 year ago 11
@koberask RBE'S do not work, see the economic calculation problem. It's absolutely impossible to function because we are not ANTS, we have no idea what's going on in other people's heads.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom First, how do you know they do not work? And why would an RBE require us to read minds? You sound like you know too much about the false game theory or something. A resource based economy not only will work, but is the ONLY system that will work. This one does not, it has NO relation to the earth, NO relation to the well being of humanity, and is totally despotic.
koberask 1 year ago
@koberask It can't work because RBE's do not function optimally when sentient beings are involved. Your needs can't be defined by anyone else but you, but an RBE by definition forces a resource allocation system that is top to bottom despite the fact needs come from the bottom up, RBE turns reality on it's head and makes it look like idea. But fine just keep aggressively ignoring economic theories while advocating economic theories of your own. Very authoritarian of you.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom look like a good idea*
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
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song is annoying
darpa322 1 year ago
Is this name-calling actually appeal to you, guys? You don't even have a dialogue, because each of you speaks, but the words never reach the target. And to answer a question.. Why would anyone create if there are no monetary incentives? We might have a sick relative, and we try to find a cure. We might just be passionate about what we do. We are curious what would happen if... SO MANY ANSWERS!
sebyhsa 1 year ago
@sebyhsa There's a video here on YouTube that will answer your question about incentive. It was a study funded by the Federal Reserve, which is the root of all monetary evil: watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
I found it interesting that an institution that TVP is fighting against unknowingly aided us.
gregariousjb 1 year ago
@sebyhsa human beings are curious by nature. it is the only human trait that can be put down to nature. everything else we have is learned. we learn fear. we learn monetary incentive. we learn competition. if you observe young children you will see real human nature. children are always asking questions and exploring and taking things apart to see what is inside. these traits are beaten out of us. we are told to shut up, stay put, and don't touch that!
creation is just a by-product of curiosity.
sacraficialangel7 1 year ago
@sacraficialangel7 I agree
sebyhsa 1 year ago
Jacque Fresco...amazing!
killerkatfilms 1 year ago
A MUST SEE for anyone that actually cares about another human being and all of the earths's inhabitants!!! We must change or reap our own destruction...the time is NOW...what are we waiting for? We must move out of our narcissistic me, me, me, me, me mentality...social attitudes...rigidity, yes, we are all narcissistic (selfish, self-focused, and arrogant) in this material culture! LOVE is not about us...it is about ALL of us...living as ONE!!! Everyone matters!!!
loveiswhatIam 1 year ago 26
VIDEO: ZeitGesit New Age propaganda AND New Global Order
Throughthetruth 1 year ago
@Throughthetruth Any new idea or innovation your can call a new World order, there are no THEY its a TENDENCY inside the monetary system because of money produce a scarycity.
TZMRussia 1 year ago
@Throughthetruth BULLSHIT zeitgeist is awesome
micap20078 1 year ago
@micap20078 zeitgeist is idiocy. The idea of resource calculation has been debunked over and over by economists. Needs come from individuals, you and I. If a bunch of people in a council make a decision as to what things are worth, then there is a huge disconnect between individuals and council. Plus, even though there is no money, there still is profit, incentives or something as subjective as corruption. Why would one work, when it's easier not to work? VP is really stupid.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom "Why would one work, when it's easier not to work"? so what your saying is you would actually like to spend your whole life doing and achieving nothing.... and also technology replaces a persons work. prohit comes from scarcity there are enough resources. and once people are conditioned out of greed rich and poor ownership. people will want to share the earth resources. VP is a great better than what we have now.... shame your so pussy about it..
micap20078 1 year ago
@micap20078 Why would i work, when someone else literally steals my fruits of labor for himself? Technology doesn't just APPEAR, it takes TIME, EFFORT, RESOURCES.
Enough resources? According to who? You? Not convincing.
People will just share their shit when they don't have extra? You have to first work, plan, capitalize (create extra) to then share. Would you really share shit you barely even have enough of for a perfect stranger?
Use your bloody head.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom You seriously have no idea about the very BASIC things about a resource-based economy and the venus project. And please watch this to understand that this is more than possible if we utilize this technology! /watch?v=M2nxCp9Hwxs
koberask 1 year ago
@koberask You did not address the points, way to go buddy. All you have to do is read about the economic calculation problem which refutes zeitgeist and VP in it's entirety. Quit hiding from critiques like a retard and evolve like i have or remain an ignorant peon to be used as a drone for the collective insanity that is the VP and zeitgeist movement. Peter Joseph is a very good demagogue , but i don't think you even know what that is because you just follow what makes you feel good inside.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@micap20078 You're probably without a goal, unemployed, and looking for a reason that doesn't hurt your ego other than the fact that you aren't productive to anyone else's eyes. Finding excuses for others to PAY for your hobbies. Robbing Peter to pay Paul doesn't create wealth (since you idiots can't tell the fucking difference, wealth is abundance) for anyone but Paul.
How much of your life have you spent doing what's easier rather than harder(without future gain for yourself) ? Hypocrite.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@micap20078 If i just consolidated right now and just told you, "Ok you are correct i am wrong you win", you would gain psychological profit. Which i bet is the whole reason you're even replying. Profit.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom ok what you said about me right there is YOUR ego creating ideas, stereotypes and making assumptions about someone whom youve never even met. of course its pychological everything is but you create your own reality think about how ignorant the population is right now of the ego then imagine people becoming educated & aware of their egoic behaviour. people are selfish now because the system forces them noone can trust each other. system changes & awareness& behaviour will change.
micap20078 1 year ago 2
@micap20078 People are selfish because if they weren't they would not survive you bloody walking logical fallacy you. Without psychological egoism, you DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR OWN EXISTENCE. Without the various biological feedback mechanisms you have been bestowed there is no way in fuck hell you would even be alive to argue. If you try to remove psychological egoism, you will remove the stud that holds humanity together. By the way, you are projecting onto me also, you hypocrite.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom the ego is going to lead us to our doom it is the reason we hate kill,sorrow, greed is conditioned by scacity & the egoic need for identity that is desperate to enhance itself. when tiger kills its not egoic reason but its need for food.we need a world without rich, poor or scarcity i recommend u read eckhart tolle. the reason why i replied to is not to insult but to get u understand im sure no doubt u will reply again with some desperete egoic insult to boost yourself esteem.
micap20078 1 year ago
@micap20078 You don't understand how to analyze do you? Ego is going to kill us because of sorrow and greed? So what, magically greed goes away if we have an RBE? Isn't that a bit of a leap of faith? You think MONEY ferments greed and not the other way around?
The reason i use ad hominem is because i want to shame you for spewing non-cognitive horse shit. Not to boost my ego, even though it does to some level isn't why i do it.
You attack the rich because of your self-esteem. I did that too.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom you just dont get at all...and you are not even trying to, just read eckhart tolle and leave me alone.
micap20078 1 year ago
@micap20078 you're not reading a 10 minutes read but you're trying to get me to read a book? do you realize how the onus on you and not me here? It's not a fair trade, screw you.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom I'll just repeat it in case you missed it, read the economic calculation problem, it's clean, clear and logical plus it's shorter than a book.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom There is no relevance to what you said and the venus project. And you contradicted yourself. Also, you must not know that the profit motive does not work. There, learn what actually drives us. Also, calling something stupid you know nothing about is totally insane. What council?? What resource calculation? And how does economics prove anything, like saying that the bible is the word of god because it says it in the bible...
koberask 1 year ago
@koberask You're an idiot. You say i contradicted myself, yet you do not show where, how convenient. You just make blanket assertions such as "profit motives do not work" without explaining why. You don't understand why a council is required because you don't understand how labor requires a certain orchestration for it to be efficient or even promote wealth. People can't just do what they want without any coordination and expect profitable results. You don't even know what economics are, dolt.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom Dude, I am not your teacher. Grow up an do some research. Fuck economics. I know what I am talking about, that is all that matters. You are attacking what I know without having any real substantial argument against it because you don't know what you are talking about. The profit motive only works in very mechanical tasks. That is what I mean, anything above this and it actually has a negative effect. Watch "The surprising truth about what motivates us". Look it up. And fuck off.
koberask 1 year ago
@koberask "Fuck economics. I know what I am talking about, that is all that matters." All that matters is what you say, not what others criticize you for, that's called ego buddy, that much ego won't make the VP work and you know this.
You also fail at epistemology and logic 101. Claiming knowledge without deduction is impossible, and knowing what you know is circular reasoning.
"The profit motive only works in very mechanical tasks." That's vague as shit. What is a mechanical task?
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@koberask Secondly, what the fuck is a negative effect? Compared to what? According to who? You? Shit, your analytic skills lack some serious tools , how the hell are you going to find any truth if you commit logical errors and leap over the whole field of economics without even attempting to debunk it first? Everyone knows people are motivated by their rational self-interests, it doesn't take a PHD, or too much philosophical background to figure that one out. You're lying to yourself.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@koberask Thirdly, RBE is part of economics. You're advocating economic solutions, yet you don't know what economics are. That's how stupid you sound to me, also how rediculous you sound to anyone who has SOME background in econ 101.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom RBE can hardly be called economics. it just means, u have a bunch of stuff to do something, and u have to manage those stuff intelligently. theres no trading, only trade offs.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler " u have a bunch of stuff to do something, and u have to manage those stuff " which is the art of economizing. You could also say that's how one defines politics, but politics refer to the means to an end, whereas economics deal with cause and effect. RBE means an economy that is based on resources, which is vague as hell seeing as how monetary economics are entirerly based on resources. No resources, no money.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom that is obviously not true. economics as we know it depends greatly on supply and demand. low supply, aka scarcity, drives prices up, so the people who control the resources (which arent theirs to control in the first place) can control the price by controlling the supply, aka artificial scarcity. so even abundant resources can be made scarce.
also, economics is people trading stuff with each other, whereas RBE is people working together to create abundance for everyone.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler It's obvious to me you have no experience in investing or understand how supply curves function for if you did you'd see how stupid it is to restrict supply as you are simply destroying your own business because competition obviously will not restrict supply on the off chance that every other industry out there will restrict it. As for saying it's not "theirs" that stems from a property rights misunderstanding, property is subjective, therefore you're only giving an opinion.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler Economics - the branch of social science that deals with the production and distribution and consumption of goods and services and their management. I tend to agree with this definition. In which case that is what an RBE is. It's obvious to me you're trying to obfuscate information in order to pull off your agenda. RBE = resource based economy, where does it say people working together to create abundance? Seems to me like you're making stuff up.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom if u look at it in the way that contemporary economics is each person managing what they have, then RBE is the entire human race as a single entity managing what the earth has.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler That sounds like collectivistic slavespeak, human race as a single entity... no i'm sorry but that's not a reality, aggregations and recollections and giving it a name is called conceptualizing. Concepts can be reduced to smaller parts because in reality they are the smaller parts, not the other way around. RBE just means an economy that is based on resources, you are again making stuff up. Just because we have resources and no money doesn't mean we can live fuller lives.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom ur taking all my words out of context.
u cant have RBE without all people working together. so the latter is implied when talking about the former.
humanity as a single entity is not a reality yet, never said it was. but thats what the venus project hopes to achieve.
if u go by that definition of economics, sure, RBE is an economy. but that doesnt imply much else.
limiting supply for high profit is a strategy used by monopolies like the oil industry. i know what im talking about.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler You don't need people working "together" to have an economy... So yea, RBE doesn't imply anything you said.
Humanity as a single entity is mental illness, humanity is a concept to describe a group of humans, are you suggesting an aggregation can become the particles? Why do you promote obvious contradictions?
No you don't know what you're talking about because the oil industry is not a monopoly, it is an international cartel protected by third world GOVERNMENTS, the OPEC.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler No, i wasn't arguing for the definition of economics, i was arguing for the fact that Resource Based ECONOMIES advocates ironically IGNORES economic principles.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom still u r missing the point, and keeps on picking at trivial details.
yes, oil industry is a cartel, i couldnt remember that word at the time. the point was, that cartel has no competition, therefore its free to limit the oil supply to the world. it was just an example.
RBE implies humanity working together as a single entity, because u cant have separate groups competing against one another while sharing resources.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler You have to admit resources require management. And since in an RBE, the supply isn't dictated by demand but by top to bottom management, you have to admit that this said management will probably demand specialized powers, and that's when you form a government, a communist one at that too. If there is no management from top to bottom, how then do we garantee that production will be in synchronization with human needs without losses? You can't do that without money, mate.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler My beef with your use of monopoly is that it ignores government action which is what perverts the incentive structure of any economy. The reason why i corrected you is because the OPEC cartel is a government one, funded with extorted money at gunpoint (Well, to make a long story short, it is). I like to differ markets from government as one is voluntary, the other is forced. And i happen to beleive the VP will create a brewing ground for some nasty state.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom and i dont know what u think when u hear the phrase "humanity as a single entity", but the way i meant it is simply everyone cooperating with each other, rather than competing against each other. surely u dont think cooperation is a mental illness.
tell me about the economic principles that u assume RBE ignores. ill probly agree that RBE ignores those, which is precisely why i said RBE isnt exactly an economy in the mainstream sense.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler I don't think cooperation is a mental illness, but i certainly think that you have a pretty biased view of how markets function. The only competition you see is amongst firms that deals in the same sector. Have you seen how many workers of different companies actually cooperate with each other with the same productive end in any factory out there? Car manufacturing cooperate with hundreds of other companies just to get you a car at a decent price!
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler Well it ignores the economic calculation problem for one.It doesn't deny incentives exist, but Peter Joseph does which leads me to consider that being number 2. And 3, money is the only way to calculate subjective valuations. non-subsidized profit is necessarilly a net gain on society as it denotes that the product created is desired and provides more value than it's bare resources. Many factors can enhance this profit, and you would be very surprised how society friendly it is.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom ah, i see ur problem. u forgot that RBE relies heavily on abundance, and that is one of the vital parts of TVP. once everything is abundant, there will be no need for money, just like we dont need money to buy air right now. the so-called "management" in a RBE is merely measuring what the earth is capable of resource-wise, create abundance of the necessities of life first, and the things that MAY be scarce, like rare elements for research projects, will be managed differently.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler That's the typical problem VP advocates have, they seem to think abundance is right there, the technology advocated will magically pop out of nowhere and be efficient.
Second issue is that you can't just have an economy that is based on how many resources we currently have. A monetary economy recognizes the complications and demands of said resources. Mining requires energy, how do we know if Iron is worth the trouble of even getting over food? How do we prevent losses?
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom abundance IS right there. i dont know much about economics (and to point out the inaccuracy of ur analogy, i know ENOUGH about X to know Y is better), but i do know technology.
explain ur second issue. i dont understand what ur saying there. prevent losses? not getting iron because it might not be more valuable than food? i cant make sense of these things, do elaborate.
people work for money because we are indoctrinated to do so. this is true. working for free is odd nowadays.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler That's silly, how the hell do you even know if you know enough about economics? What, is it fractional banking that got you so worked up? Because if that's so, i'll explain to you in clear words how Peter hid key information while making it's mention.
Mining requires energy, a workforce that is synchronized by a form of management, same way an orchestra functions, it has to produce more efficiently than the capital invested. Without a monetary system, you would have no clue.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom im against the monetary based system because of what jacque fresco said, and from what ive observed in my life. fresco is the reason why i believe i know enough about economics.
mining requires little labor, once we have the technology to mine with little labor. can we acquire such tech? yes. do we have them now in abundance? no. but that is why the transition from here to the venus project will be so hard. once we actually get there, mining would be no problem.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler Eh, Jacques is a pretty amazing guy i'll give you that but you can't just solely base your whole life ethics on what one dude says, there are a lot of people on this planet and some of them HAVE put thought into this. You have to weigh arguments, there's lots of shit you can't know a priori which is exactly what VALUE is. I could link you to stuff but i don't think you'll bother looking into it.
"once we have the technology" again, that requires capital (which is not MONEY).
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom I really wish you would try to answer this question : How do you isolate value a priori? How do you; keep in mind that you are not paid and can do subjectively easier things at any time (and you know this because you agree with incentives which is a powerful blow to the VP) and do not suffer if you fail or waste resources, magically figure out what to make without consuming more resources than necessarilly could be done when you have NO WAY of comparing with anything?
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom if what i assume is correct, then my answer is i dont yet know. jacque and roxanne always said the transition phase would be painful, im still researching more and more about TVP. college is keeping me busy though.
however in recent videos ive heard jacque say things like "if u want to give incentive to people to get them to work night shifts, give them shorter hours". maybe thats part of his solution.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler Wait a minute, give them shorter hours? There is no pay involved right,? So they will reduce working hours...instead of raising wages? Isn't this going to lead to less production.... in other words, losses...? How do we get all this technology working in less than 10 years if we just reduce hours to gain incentive to work? Plus, the amount of hours would be arbitrary...
Jacques really is densely retarded when it comes to talking about incentives if i got your comment correctly.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom so u say people cant be changed as dramatically as we want? by what do u base this conclusion on? i cite u many examples that support my stance.
using other peoples labor for myself? what did u mean by this? r u talking about people laying in the sun while other people work? this has also been addressed in numerous TVP videos.
the comment i made about reduced work hours, like i said, is not complete. i dont know how that works yet, i still need to do more research. dont judge.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler Unpaid labor is slavery as you work for other people. In your case however it's not that simple, not only do you not know how much you can consume in comparison to how much labor you provided but other people can consume what you created by consuming what you made and perhaps even more than that. It's obvious to me that this will cause many conflicts regardless of how much you indoctrinate people into beleiving that this is virtuous.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom religion and state ARE emergent entities, but they emerge very slowly because they are holding on hard to their established systems, trying to resist change as hard as they can.
state religion and culture are closely related, kinda like a venn diagram when i try to visualize it.
how is indoctrination not a good thing? remember, ur the one who likes to call it indoctrination, what it really is is enlightenment. i was just humoring u. dont confuse what u and i call it.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler Indoctrination is enlightenment? You just pretty much said states hold on to their presuppositions and are resistant to change; do you ignore how states control the education system? Is this not indoctrination? Are then states enlightenment? Obviously not. To me, indoctrination is when you force your way of life unto others without giving a shit about that individual's biological and psychological needs. How is that not going to be used in a destructive manner?
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom oh no, indoctrination is indoctrination, enlightenment is enlightenment. what the venus project proposes is to enlighten people, but u chose to call such a process indoctrination, a term i only used to humor u.
u keep assuming the people of TVP's future will be just like us. obviously, thats not going to work, like u so elaborately explained, and we couldnt agree more. which is where this enlightenment process (u call indoctrination) comes in. our value system must change first.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler wtf, how is your enlightenment process NOT indoctrination? When all you do is dismiss every point i make and summon red herrings to avoid dealing with them? What you just think "educating" people to ignore their rational self interest is going to lead to enlightenment? All you're doing is SAYING this is enlightenment but what IS enlightenment? How do you go about doing it? I even defined indoctrination for you, how much clearer do i have to be?
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom i addressed every point u made except from ur last batch of comments. u didnt seem to understand me, so i looked for the root of the problem, which appeared to be ur lack of understanding of what we plan to do to enlighten people. now it is clear, u really think our enlightenment process is not enlightenment but indoctrination, so i shall elaborate on this, because it is the root of our disagreement.
and no, i have absolutely nothing invested in TVP other than my own wellbeing.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago
@UnluckyGambler You did address them, but here's what you do. I make point A, you address it. I make point B, you address it but you completely ignore point A is still a factor and you tend to make an answer that is invalidated by point A. It's not like you debunked point A because i have carefully explained every time why your response is problematic, but then you just ignore that. It's like you're not trying to learn the arguments, but trying to win the argument.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom i dont think i ever ignored these "point A"s. i guess my arguments just didnt get to u.
correct, good, ur just arguing semantics. no, i guarantee u im not for brainwashing. i am an atheist, after all. this can be analogized with religion. obviously, religious communities indoctrinate/brainwash their young, while atheistic/scientific families present their children with evidence, which is enlightenment.
its not about how u view killing, it was an example regarding indoctrination.
UnluckyGambler 1 year ago