What do we physically receive in the Lord's Supper?

[JDNWF66]

Oh.. I promised you my email. Here it is in the light of day. In the public square. Don't be shy... Come one, come all. AllI offer you is Public Resources to go to. I don't teach anything new. Only that which has been passed on from the time of The apostles to today in The Catholic Church. jdnwf55@yahoo.com

2 Thess 2:15

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

[JDNWF66]

Final words on this topic unless there are responses. Here are just 2 quotes of your Founder, Martin Luther. "I shall never be a heretic; I may err in dispute, but I do not wish to decide anything finally".. You want to trust in a Church that can't step up to the plate and DECIDE TRUTH? Seriously? Last one.. "The Holy Christian Church is the principal work of God"..... I would add politely after the many things I covered here for you.. It appears to Martin Luther, God is very confused.

[JDNWF66]

The Pastor above said "Lutherans have many difference with other Protestants".. Correction. Lutherans have many differences with OTHER Lutherans! Wake Up Lutherans, Wake UP!!! Have you ever read any letters yourselves of MARTIN LUTHER, your founder? I sure hope not. You will be be terrified that a man of God would bear the name of Your Churches today. I will present a few and leave you my email because unlike Others...I don't hide from Truth.

[JDNWF66]

I want to empower YOU! Not ME! I don't want you listening one iota of what I am saying WITHOUT RESEARCHING it YOURSELVES!!!! Don't be sheep without a shepherd anymore! Like the abovementioned fellow.. Confused about Consubstantiation. Said it was The OFFICIAL Teaching in Sweden. Who knows, really? Do you? I guess we need to go to Sweden to find out for sure.  he got the term there somehwere.. Maybe a Pastor told him.. It's not a kind of word used in common circles.. let's say that much.

[JDNWF66]

That only scratches the surface. I am presenting this to you only because of this teaching Pastor Lassman taught on public Youtube. I want to help you take charge of your own destiny. Does it make sense to believe what one man has to say about the Bible or 30,000 different men? Which is it? Wouldn't it make sense to have One Church to follow which was established by Christ 2000 years ago in an unbroken line of succession from Sts. Peter and Paul? You tell me where I am off the wall.

[JDNWF66]

I willbe happy to introduce you to them all right here. It is all relevant to this discussion. I am not speaking of anything outside it. The LCMS Lutheran Church, The ELCA, The Wisconsin Synod and the other major Scottish Lutheran Church Synod. And there are many smaller Lutheran Churches spread out over the whole US of A.. All Autonomous. Meaning no one has jurisdiction outside it's confines. That is only speaking of The Lutheran Church, which begun by one ex priest, Martin Luther.

[JDNWF66]

Folks,Luther threw out anything that he did not like or view as Biblical in his day. So that means that The Church was meant to be up for grabs? If someone came by and said he or she didn't agree with The Established Church, it was fine to correct it doctrinally? Seriously, folks? So if you disagree with your Pastor you can go out and build another church according to your liking too, right? That was what Martin Luther did. Now you have at least 4 different competeing Lutheran Churches.

[JDNWF66]

Transfigured is equivalent to Transformation which The dictionary defines as: a change in outward form or appearance; transform." Read your dictionaries. If it was "OK" for a "Peasant to read the bible in his or her language", I think it is just as "OK" to read what The Early Fathers Of The Established Catholic Church had to say. Use the same approach that Martin Luther took. Why shouldn't you? Because now you have to be aware of "Contexts". Sure wasn't Luther's way, was it Pastor Lassman?

[JDNWF66]

Here is a quotation by Ambrose:

Commenting on John 6:55 Ambrose wrote thusly: "Then he added, "For my Flesh truly is food and my Blood truly is drink" You hear of flesh, you hear of blood, and you are aware of the sacraments of The Lord's Death... For as often as we receive the sacrament(s), which through the Mystery of the sacred Prayer, are TRANSFIGURED [TRANSFIGURANTUR] into Flesh and Blood. We announce the death of The Lord"

Source: Ambrose, "De Fide, bk IV, 10, 124; CSEL, 78, 7, page 201

[JDNWF66]

This is a quotation from an early Father of The Church in 380 AD, not 1500 AD with the Council of Trent. Ask yourselves using a dictionary if there are differences. Remember, If Peasants can get the bible according to Luther, you should be able to get the dictionary and challenge yourselves and what you believe or what Pastor Lassman would have you believe. I will not stand for mockery of Catholic Beliefs here by a "Minister" or a "Priest". Please read this and examine for yourselves.

[JDNWF66]

Why use a dictionary? You don't need definitions according to Pastor Lassman. He says Ambrose in the 3rd century didn't really mean or say TRANSUBSTANTIATION. Well, that's because he gets very picky about things written by The Early Catholic Church and doesn't use the same process which Luther said about the bible that "even a peasant can understand in his own language"... So a Peasant can UNDERSTAND the bible, but not simple terms that can be "UNWRAPPED" today? How convenient. ;)

[JDNWF66]

TRANSFIGURED means TRANSFORMED by the dictionaries that is why some Lutherans shy away from that term BUT it was used as early as the 200's by Tertulian and others after Him. Yes, including Bishops of an ESTABLISHED Church governed By The Holy Spirit, not by MAN. Teachings were passed down not invented. Definitions of Teachings are like Gifts waiting to be unwrapped so there is no GUESSING as to what they mean or hold inside. Makes sense to me. I'm sure you all use the dictionary sometimes.

[JDNWF66]

So, We have established that if it is ok to read the bible and get 30,000 different interpretations as Luther himself said, "There are as many sects as there are heads"... We need to turn to the help and understanding of The same Church Jesus founded 1500 years before a Flesh and Blood man entered the picture. As I have proven from The book I hope you will all get and read for yourselves. Nothing difficult to understand about the word "TRANSFIGURED".

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub You have so offended me. How dare you laugh at my faith? I am sending this video to several diverse Lutheran Bishops. Your right. They are ALL OVER THE PLACE.... but I sure as heck will try to get someone's attention.

BTW, if Luther had not the inclination to be drawn to AQUINAS, you would be ZWINGLIAN in this understanding.

[JDNWF66]

How dare you laugh at The Catholic Doctrine of The Eucahrist?  How dare you? That is the problem with Lutherans. You claim to be holier than everyone else. You can't seem to realize how sacred this meal Is. jesus Christ Never spoke of the Bread. He said "This IS my Body"...He didn't say "This is my body and bread"...you really have offended me. The Bread and wine has been Transformed ... Read the early Church.

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub stick to teaching about Luther. Don't bring the catholic Church into your discussions ... You want to protest The established church, your free to do it. But when you try to bring The Established Church into your discussions I will be here. I will answer you. If it wasn't for Aquinas, you would be teaching The Lord's Supper as simply a symbol. We in the RCIA do not teach Lutheran doctrine. Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox believe equally. This has been agreed upon.

[gsus573]

and yes, the old covenant forbids drinking blood, however Christ fullfilled that covenant on the cross, when he instituted a new covenant: the covenant of his body and blood. through his body and blood, we are saved. we become one with him. what greater way to connect with the Lord, then by allowing him to enter our bodies. His food is true nurishmemt. Amen

[gsus573]

imaginefree69, Jesus Christ, who was God from the beginning came down from his place on high and died a gruesome human death so that our punishment for sin would be done away with once and for all. isnt it amazing that God cared so much for us that he was willing even give his life. there is no hypocrisy. he didnt tell some human to die for everyone, he sent his son. hallelujah hallelujah halleluja

[gsus573]

lutheranism has nothing to do with the church of england.

[gsus573]

karpov89, lutheranism has nothing to do with the church of englans

[modomnoc1]

Is it a source of division? As a Roman Catholic I receive what the apostles received at the last supper. Do we have to make an assumption? So there is agreement to a sense. Can any language tell us what we receive? It's a sacramental presence. Surely we can agree on that?

[nuduaspiaggia]

It's always funny seeing a Protestant in a ROMAN collar.

[Imaginefree69]

Why does god forbid human sacrifice in one place,

then turn around and demand human sacrifice to appease his rage?

Simlarly, God forbids drinking blood,

then Jesus demands the drinking of his blood,

which, along with ritualized cannibalism,

xians still practice today?

Why did god forbid punishing people for the actions of their fathers,

then condemn us for the actions of Adam?

I think God is a hypocrite.

[karpov89]

The official teachings of the Church of Sweden is the consubstantiation is the explanation of the real presence. According to catholic belief, the Lutheran explanation is not theirs but they do not argue that it is church dividing; there is another reasons why when I go to a catholic mass I am not allowed to recieve the communion.

[nschaub]

HI...you might want to double check the teaching of the Church of Sweden and "consubstantiation"....because that is NOT the teaching of the Lutheran Confessions......so let me know! Pastor Lassman

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub I guess you were rong again, Pastor Lassman... I told you there are Lutherans who hold that belief. Nut noooooooooo...you want to guard against that...it's too defining, right.?? Well sometimes ya gotta define when errors arise from it's understamdings. The Orthodox and the Catholics signed a document on the agreement of The Eucharist so I guess that leaves Luther's offspring at the mercy of Flesh and Blood men.. I can see how successful it has been here on this site... and elsewhere

[karpov89]

God is using the priest (which should have received the holy orders in apostolic succession with S:t Peter and Paul) as an instrument when he is reading the words and the wine and bread are transformed into the blood and body of Jesus Christ, or that Jesus Christ will become present in the wine and bread. Two different ways to explain the real presence, and both are correct enough, they are not church dividing.

[catchzz]

Hello, I noticed some of your videos and was wondering what exactly the rite is. Is this something in union with the pope? Also, your explaination of Christ will become present in the bread and wine does have a difference from transformed as Jesus did not say that "this is my body and bread" nor did he say "this is my blood and wine", so there is a dividing difference in that aspect.

[karpov89]

Hi! it is not in communion with the Pope, it is high church lutheran, in communion with The Church of England and other lutheran and Anglican churches in the Porvoo communion.

[Schezee]

Martin Luther is the theological father of the protestant revolt and you don't think of yourself as a protestant?

I don't understand how that works.

All protestant means is to "protest", hence "protest-ant". And what are you protesting against? The authority of the Catholic Church.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then it is a duck.

Perhaps you should do a video segment on it on why Lutherans are not protestants?

[JDZwiers19]

why not look past your pointless dissagreements and join The Universal Church in creating One Body. That is what Christ commanded of all his diciples.

[catchzz]

A few points I'll add from St. Thomas Aquinas as to why God established this fact:

It is'nt customary but horrible for men to eat human flesh & drink human blood, so Christs flesh & blood are given to us under the species of those things more commonly consumed by men.

Lest this sacrament might be derided by unbelievers, were we to eat the flesh & blood of Jesus under his own proper species.

While we receive Our Lords Body & Blood invisibly, this may redound to the merit of faith.

[JDZwiers19]

The priest makes it present? You know we dont believe that. At least I hope you dont, your a theologian. You write these false statments, and you teach them in your classes. Dont you see how unfair it is to mislead people into believing things about catholics that are not true. You are just adding to the mountain of misconceptions and hatred that people have for the catholic church. God has kept us more unified than anyother faith in the world. Why do you create division?

[JDZwiers19]

Jesus said, "This is my body, given up for you" not,

"My body is with this bread, given up for you"

Im not trying to say you're wrong, I just think this is a poor atempt to establish a significant differece, for the soul reason of disagreeing. The catholic belief is closer to christs original words than your own.

[aremirfearanna]

You just went back on your own words. Christ himself said, (Of the bread) THIS IS MY BODY. The bread IS his body.

[JDZwiers19]

Not sure how you got that. I said it IS his body. No disagreement.

[nschaub]

Hi.here's the difference: what do we recieve with our mouth? Only the Body and Blood of Jesus? Or the Body with the bread and the Blood with the wine? Yes, there is a difference because Jesus and Paul say the bread is with the Body and Blood..Rome doesn't. Christ makes his Body and Blood present..not the priest. I can't comment on your observation of those Lutherans..I was not there. ..Pastor Lassman

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub Paul said nothing of the sort. You told me to rely on context when reading Ambrose. Do you do the same with Paul? NO, ya don't. You use a double standard whereby Pauline truth is plain as a newspaper to you. But if one wants to simply read AMBROSIAN writings frm 380 AD as is, it isn't that simple, is it? Do I smell a double standard? Pastor, you need to follow what you preach cause you don't. You are not CONSISTENT. Rome IS.

[JDZwiers19]

I dont understand the difference with our beliefs? You believe you "some how" recieve the body and blood, but also the bread and wine? Do you really see a big difference? Jesus said this is my body. We dont try and explain it. We just believe that "some how" through GODS power, not the priests, that it turns into the body.

I have been to a Lutheran mass at a wedding, and all the lutherans looked at us catholics like we were crazy kneeling and praying before and after communion.

[NorseLuther]

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me...

[JDNWF66]

@NorseLuther Yes, but He didn't say "This is my Body and My Bread"...Or "This is my Body and my Blood". He said "IT IS". Period. Bread and wine are transformed. ALL the early Catholic Christians of East and West believed this and wrote of it clearly and unmistakenly until Martin Luther's reforms were not good enuff for him.  He had to meddle with Doctrine Taught from the first centuries. I guess that would make him a Prophet, right, Pastor Lassman? E.g. Joseph Smith?

[JDNWF66]

@NorseLuther JESUS IS GOD. Catholics worship God In The Eucharist since Jesus is Divine.

[seltian]

I'm afraid that I'm a bit confused. I thought:

That Lutherans were Protestant

That Lutherans called their view of the Real Presence "consubstantiation"

[CBALLEN]

You can be sincere,but sincerely wrong.

[seltian]

Do you mean in worshiping the Eucharist? If we believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, and we worship it for that reason, and ONLY that reason, than it isn't idolatry. It's, at worst, an attempt to worship Christ, who is God.

[nschaub]

Hi..thanks for your question. Roman Catholics would no doubt consider Lutherans as Protestants. But Lutherans have many differences with "other" Protestants..and this is often not understood. Lutherans object to being "lumped in" with "other Protestants"..and Lutherans don't teach "consubstantiation" that term was put on us by those "other Protestants" who don't believe in the Real Presence...thanks again..Pastor Lassman

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub You see all the confusion that arises, Pastor Lassman when THINGS ARE NOT DEFINED? You are a protestant because you protest certain teachings of The Established Church from Luther's era. The other protesatnts call you protestant because they know yours was the founding way. You don't agree, PROTEST IT. Don't dodge your identity. Be a man and at least acknowledge your sad history of inward infights and divisions of understandings even from within Lutheranism.

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub Lutherans have MANY differences with LUTHERANS. Luther predicted it.  "There are as many heads as there are sects"... That's going to source materials and standing straight unless your shy about what you believe, which it appears you are.

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub You already have a problem. Jesus is God.

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub They are the Fathers of Protestatntism. What would you call them? Progressives? That too, maybe. If you seek popularity, you will never find it this side of heaven. Especially when you are so inconsistently brutal to Early Patristics but when it comes to the bible, it's all as clear as yesterdays newspaper. Sure, pastor. Sure.

[JDNWF66]

@seltian You are absolutely correct. When Pastor Lassman says that The Body and Blood of Christ remains WITH the Bread and The Wine after consecration, if he were an honest thinker he would acknowledge that spells CON-SUB-STANTIATION. Don't take it from him. Look at Brittanica encyclopedia. If you have 2 same elements that remain the same and yet change that is Consubstantiation.

[JDNWF66]

@seltian Don't be confused because someone does not want to acknowedge Flesh and Blood truth. The Dictionary, NOT I, defines it this way. It is not my invention. Sounds exactly as Lutherans have believed it since Martin Luther. I go to reference and source. Pastor Lassman hides things that are plain TRUTH. .

con·sub·stan·ti·a·tion

–noun Theology .

the doctrine that the substance of the body and blood of Christ coexist in and with the substance of the bread and wine of the Eucharist.

[JDNWF66]

@seltian Lutherans are Protestant. Pastor Lassman just doesn't know it yet. It's a fact. When you or anyone protest the Teachings or Faith or Substance of any institution, it means you are PROTESTING IT. What do unions do when they are not getting what they think they should from their institutions? They PROTEST. Pastor Lassman is being dishonest and all I need is present source material to show it. I don't have to prove anything. It's called HISTORY. Read the book "HIDDEN MANNA"

[JDNWF66]

I invite you to read what The Early Fathers taught about The Eucharist, The Lord's Supper. Read the book from AMAZON.com called "HIDDEN MANNA" by James T. O'Connor. He presents the Writings of The Fathers of The Church concerning The Lord's Supper and shows you unequivacally that "Tansfiguration" was often their catch pharse which means Transformation of The elements of bread and wine after consecration. "HIDDEN MANNA" will let you read the Early Father's Teachings on The Lord's Supper.

[JDNWF66]

"Transfigure", which was used by Tertullian as early as 200's AD and Ambrose as early as 380 AD and other Early Fathers concerning The Lord's Supper. Put your thinking caps on. If The Bible was meant for everyone to read and understand, then why not The Teachers who succeeded the Bible? Why is it a different standard when St. Ambrose uses the word "Transformation" when describing what happens after?

[JDNWF66]

@seltian Indeed. Confusion reigns supreme in The Lutheran Church as in all the other 30,000 denominations it has begotten.  Go back to The Early Fathers of The Church and do some serious study for yourself so you will One True and Unambiguous Teacher Jesus left us in The Catholic Church. It's been around for 2000 years vs 450 years of Lutheran.. I would do some research, if i were you and someone gave me a blueprint. Try "Faith of the Early Fathers: Three-Volume Set", by William Jurgens.

[CBALLEN]

The early church,according to Paul,were getting drunk and being gluttonous on the blood and flesh of Jesus if transubstantiation is true.

[CBALLEN]

The Catholic Eucharist,as you practice must sacrifice Jesus over and over.The Bible tells us that there is one sacrifice for all times,this is why Catholics worship the waffler and the wine, this is idolatry.When Jesus gave communion at the last supper His body and blood was not in the bread and wine,this is merely a symbol.

[seltian]

I'm afraid that you don't understand the Catholic teaching. We don't teach that Christ is sacrificed over and over again. We believe that Jesus was sacrificed once-for all, and that we ENTER INTO Jesus's Sacrifice in the Mass.

[seltian]

Whether you believe in the Real Presence or not, it's not idolatry for Catholics to worship the Eucharist, because Catholics worship the Eucharist ONLY because we believe that Jesus is present. We wouldn't worship the Eucharist if we didn't believe that Jesus was present. Therefore, it's not idolatry. It is, at worst, an attempt to worship the One True God.

[Norskyone]

Pastor, I am really sorry; but every time I post a reply to a viewer comment, it jumps up as a new comment. It's really weird. I didn't really mean to flood the comments with randomness.

[nschaub]

Hi...well thanks for your comments...the Lord be with you.....Pastor Lassman

[Norskyone]

Wow, I posted replies to specific comments, and instead of those replies appearing appropriately after those comments; they just all piled up as new comments.  Is there a youtube bug going around?

[Norskyone]

The 12th century was not the 1200's. Otherwise, mostly agree...as a cradle Lutheran. And, as one of those (cradle Lutherans), who happens to have a sense of humor (need an Ole and Lena joke?), isn't this a little like "Ferris Bueller goes to Lutheran Confirmation Class?"

[916bigAl]

marcie Im going to a non denominational church now. I look at all major denomantions in a different light now. check this site out satansrapture. com/dispense.htm

[schmarcie]

Al

Having been a RC & now Lutheran [I've also been to nondenominational churches]

I have never heard a pastor preach "that we are to follow Paul"

I disagree with that website

Romans 10:11-13

As the Scripture says "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame".

For there is no difference between Jew & Gentile the same Lord is Lord of all & richly blesses all who call on him for Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

[schmarcie]

Romans 11:1-3

I ask then Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself a descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Benjamin

God did not reject his people whom he foreknew.

Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah how he appealed to God against Israel

"Lord, they have killed your prophets & torn down your altars I am the only one left & they are trying to kill me"?

[schmarcie]

cont

4-6

And what was God's answer to him?

"I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

So too at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace & if by grace then it is no longer by works if it were grace would no longer be grace.

Al,

Paul's commision was to preach the gospel to all the world. Paul was faithful to Jesus and all His commands.

[schmarcie]

Ephesians 2:8-9

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

[schmarcie]

1 Thes 5:19-24

Do not put out the Spirit's fire do not treat prophecies with contempt.

Test everything.

Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.

May God himself the God of peace sanctify you through & through. May your whole spirit soul & body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful & he will do it.

Al, I pray that you keep searching for the truth & may God bless you always.

Peace,

Marcie

[jiminiflix]

Where are the scriptures that prove transubstantiation or the catholic view. Jesus only said to take and eat whenever in felowship in rememberence of Him.This does not in anyway take away the importance of communion but helps us always symbolically remember what Jesus did for us.Jesus FINISHED it on the cross, He is still not being tortured.Could you really drink his blood and eat his flesh? Isn't that canabolism? Isn't that blasphemous?

[semwife]

Pastor Lassman isn't teaching transubstantiation. The Lutheran Church opposes transubstantiation.

[Norskyone]

Was it cannibalism when the apostles ate and drank it *before* it was "FINISHED?" That "finished" thing is offered to us in a very tangible way every time we eat and drink it because He offered it to us "as often as we eat and drink of it in remembrance of [Him]." It seems blasphemous in human terms because it is blasphemous to human sentiment; but it is revolutionarily divine. God is much bigger than human ideology and He comes to us in unexpected ways. And, always in ways that sustain.

[Norskyone]

Was it cannibalism when the apostles ate and drank it *before* it was "FINISHED?" That "finished" thing is offered to us in a very tangible way every time we eat and drink it because He offered it to us "as often as we eat and drink of it in remembrance of [Him]." It seems blasphemous in human terms because it is blasphemous to human sentiment; but it is revolutionarily divine. God is much bigger than human ideology and He comes to us in unexpected ways. And, always in ways that sustain.

[dan0898]

Yes, I did watch the video, and you explain the difference between the views of Lutherans and Catholics (although you didn't mention that Catholics believe the bread and wine become the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ). What I am asking is that you explain how the Lutheran view, being different from the Catholic, came into existence with the reformation.

[nschaub]

Did you listen to the video? Both Lutherans and Roman Catholics believe in the real presence. Transubstantian is an attempt to explain the unexlainable with the philosophy of Aristotle. Pastor Lassman

[dan0898]

Please explain why it was that the Lutheran view of the real presence, the sacramental union, did not come about until the Reformation. You may not attempt to explain the mystery of the real presence, but you should explain that it is a realatively new concept when compared to the Catholic view of transubstantiation.

[nschaub]

The real presence has always been taught in the church until the 16 cent when the  radical reformers made it a symbol (that's the Lutheran position). Transubstantiation,an EXPLANTION of the real presence, has NOT always been taught in the history of the church. The word TRANSUBSTANTION came in the early middle ages and was solidified by Thomas Aquinas.

[Norskyone]

The real presence has always been the position of the Lutheran Church.

[916bigAl]

Im a catholic how do I join the lutheran church? do I have to be baptized all over again?

[nschaub]

Hi...you can inquire about an Adult Information Class and becoming Luthran at Saint Andrew Lutheran Church

4910 Claremont Ave Stockton, CA 95207-5708.Phone: (209)957-8750. Let me know how it goes! Pastor Lassman

[dan0898]

"Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved." Vatican Council 2, Lumen Gentium, paragraph 14.

[schmarcie]

bigAl

Have converted to the Lutheran church?

I'm a cradle Catholic who converted to the LCMS prior to marriage to my cradle

L husband

I believe that the LCMS is correct in it's doctrine teaching & worship of our triune God.

And keeps the proper perspective/respect

for the virgin Mary.

I respect/love Catholics.

Peace be with you

[Norskyone]

As long as you were rightly baptized in the Triune name, you do not need to be rebaptized. Usually you would attend simple, relaxed conversion classes or sessions with a pastor and make an affirmation of faith in the Lutheran Church (basically a little Confirmation). Any Lutheran pastor would be happy to tell you what is required of you. RCatholics usually have an easy time of conversion to Lutheranism, since they don't differ quite as much as with some of the protestants.

[Norskyone]

As long as you were rightly baptized in the Triune name, you do not need to be rebaptized. Usually you would attend simple, relaxed conversion classes or sessions with a pastor and make an affirmation of faith in the Lutheran Church (basically a little Confirmation). Any Lutheran pastor would be happy to tell you what is required of you. RCatholics usually have an easy time of conversion to Lutheranism, since they don't differ quite as much as with some of the protestants.

[FelicisFeline]

Thank you for an informative comparison of the different views of the Lord's Supper. Of course, the Lutheran view is the correct one! (Because it is the most consistent with Scripture).

[nschaub]

Thanks for your encourging response. Pastor Lassman

[jaysunz]

Sadly, I have a friend who refers to the Lutheran/Catholic view of the Lord's Supper as "Ritual Cannibalism". The idea that it is a means of grace is also foreign.

[nschaub]

They don't understand the "Real Presence",that there is a "mystery"- a "Presence" that is "Real" and received with the mouth with the bread and wine. Such "mysteries" separate out those who say they believe what the bible says from those who actually do. All we can do is consitently and lovingly point out what the bible actually says. At that point our responsibility ends. Thank you for your comment and I wish you God's blessings in your baptismal walk and witness. Pastor Lassman