We should fight poverty, ignorance, develope economy and education. You are 200% right in what you say in your video , but fighting the religion is a useless thing to do. A hungry, poor, humiliated person living in a corrupt country, brain-washed day and night won't listen to your arguments. What esle do they have apart from their religion? What hope is there?
Stoning of people, arranged marriages, death threats etc etc happen in POOR IGNORANT societies, religion has nothing to do with it. Whether this religion is true or fault (if a 'true' religion exists). When Europe was undeveloped and ignorant Christians burned witches and Inquisition tortured people etc Today they don't do it. They are still christian... When muslims will have a normal life they won't have time and desire for the stupid things they do today. They wil still be muslims...
Over interpretation is like the cornerstone of Islam. The only ones calling a spade a spade when reading the Koran are the terrorists and those who support terrorism it seems.
you just wait until the dajjal comes out and jews following him an then nabi isa a.s come and imam mahdi comes he will convince you...maybe i just tell yusuf estel to convice you...
Have you been editing this, Neodolph? Because it is very well written and polite for youtube. I commend everyone who has survived the winnowing process.
anther very useful and very succesful way converting infidels to islam, works very good lol
usring the sound of Quran (speciall method converting prisoners)
human way: usineg a wild camel reciting quran verses (natural melody)
inhuman way (called torture): using an untalented gone-wild wanna be fanatic Muezzin recitting Quran in the rythm of JIHAD-melody (warning: this way is very brutal, 50% of prisoners will loose mind control and even die)
I am convinced - because the Creator promises full JUSTICE - everybody shall receive what they earned and none shall be wronged. There is no sacrifice or transfer of sins. Everybody is accountable for his actions, so it really appeals to be the best human possible - to behave yourself. Unlike other religions, Islam does not mix or mingle the Creator with His creation. Because of that, the worshiping aspect is easy.
Only you can convince yourself - but you already knew that, right! LOL! :)
Would you also believe in another god, agents of whom promised full justice? If you step back for a second and take a look at what you are saying I think you will find that your reason for believing is simply your preference for justice. What makes you think that your preferences are any indicator of how the world is? Would you believe anything that confirms your idea about iternal justice?
@hashimimohammed the scientific revolution came well before the industrial revolution but it brought the needed knowledge to turn the industrial revolution possible if much u can say that religion retarded the arrival of the scientific revolution and thus also the industrial revolution, it happened not because religion promoted it..it happen because religion was(finally) taken out from it...it didnt happened elsewere because there wasnt that type of secularism elsewere
@hashimimohammed industrial revolution's main cause was obviously the scientific revolution(and we all know whats the position of religions on science)... and once again u are confusing atheism with nihilism...nihilism can happen when a person loses his faith very suddently(like in my case) but that is just a temporary state..people will adjust to reality and get over it...religion and faith only bring fake prospects that make u do mistakes during all ur life
@hashimimohammed ...and for that i would never need the aproval of a god that would exist only in my mind...oh and i know this is the only life i'll ever get and i'm pretty ok with it
u really do assume alot...u assume that civilization is dependent of religion(it is not), u assume that atheists have no purpose in life(those are nihilists) when the only relevant thing about atheists is that they have no god..i am an atheist and i found the meaning of life(that old philosophical question) and that can never be achieved on a theistic perspective...my life is meaningfull and i do know what i will do with it...
@hashimimohammed religious faith is to a person the basis of his whole life...its arround it a religious person builds his life so everything u do or think got something related to the religion u practice...the problem with religion is that it bends and distorts the real values and objectives in life a person could have...for example u currently do certain things in ur life with an afterlife reward in ur mind right?
@hashimimohammed u still see islam from the inside(of course ur a muslim), but i invite u to look at it from the outside...try and study the history from a secular point of view...forget all the notions u got of right and wrong good and evil and look at it from a utilitarian perspective...
@hashimimohammed well i dont consider my self an islamophobe i just point out a bad policy when i see it...and islam as it is its one of them...its non flexible to the ones who practice it and expantionist to the ones that dont practice it(yet)...trustworthy...u call trustworthy to someone that came up with a dogma...ok...he might have been...but once he enter that road he ceased to be...no matter what other people thought of him...what matters is what happened inside is head
@hashimimohammed its understandable that u regard muhammad as sinless in his life and innocent in his intencions...he did created ur religion made the rules and show u the new concepts he wanted u(muslims) to have..concepts of sin, peace, truth..etc...those concepts are shared among u who were indoctrinated or converted however everyone else dont share those concepts and look at ur prophet and religion with a more critical mind
@hashimimohammed im not talking about an army to serve a nation(as in a nation its everyone in it...u fight for it for the ultimate goal to protect the ones u spend ur life with) im talking about an army for one man...nothing else cares...just like the ant queen who is the only one allowed to reproduce controls the servent steril ants with pheromones...the caliphates realised the potencial of this and other theocracies(even from today) did the same
@hashimimohammed ....and wasnt him that introduced above all a rudimentary law that should be obeyed by muslims (for the quran is mostly a book filled with rules) its unflexible, cannot be questioned or changed, its sometimes brutal and enphacise punishment over rehabilitation...but the worse was the set of rules for the everyday life that turns life into a complicated and unecessary problem
@hashimimohammed ...didnt he introduce u to the notion that peace could only be accieved within islam either u convert or u submit either ur a muslim or stay under islamic rule?(to me this is oppression)...didnt he promissed rewards in the afterlife to those who obey without questioning? didnt he also promissed hell to those who were unbelievers, politheistic, most of jews, most of christians but above all for those who would oppose islam in any way?
@hashimimohammed peaceful? well can be if u consider death and total silence peace...i'm not trying to insult here...but isnt he the same muhammad that turn the people from arabia into a military regiment were the few joys they would get in life would be on the battlefield?didnt he valorise more the ones that would fight for god rather than the ones who wanted to stay out the warbusiness?
@hashimimohammed at this question i got no room to answer in this format of 500 leters...please send me a mail with all the questions u want me to answer about evolution...but expect also some questions about ur own stance on the diversity of species
@hashimimohammed the success i was talking was social and economic...not military...what i say is not a conspiracy its actually the conclusion i get to explain the existence and nature of islam according to its creator own personality...if i take out all the claims of divine intervention what i get is a man that started a cult and rose in both political and military power for that he needed people to be submissive and that would obey his every order so he claimed to speak for the divine
@hashimimohammed salaam means peace...islam mean submission(to god) i know this already...
u were told to believe that the jews broke the rules that he commanded just as they broke the rules of god...jewish tribes were among the most successful tribes in that region so it was natural that he envy them and felt threatened by them...and he did gain a lot with his conquests terrain and a legion of followers who follow his every word thinking it came from the divine
@hashimimohammed the list may be long...but its false...i dont think u've got anything against evolution of life that i havent seen before and havent found a reasonable answer for...the problem is that evolution MUST be wrong because it tells another story than the quran and the quran MUST be right otherwise whatever good u found in faith might fall apart...u got a strong bias on this and i understand it however choosing faith over the truth doesnt seem right to me
@hashimimohammed a rational explanation for muslims believe in this is that muhammad didnt wanted his men to trust anyone from outside(that could become a potencial threat to him and his intentions) and so he said "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ..." and countless verses like that...i must say the quran is very repetivive it shows that really was a intention to overshow some ideas
@hashimimohammed Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change state. That's the first law of thermodynamics and has been demonstrated. If you disagree, it's your job to prove it wrong.
The big bang theory, like all other SCIENTIFIC THEORIES, is an explanation of a series of observations, i.e. facts. There is only one theory about how the universe came to be. None of the other guesses qualify as scientific theories.
Please learn the meaning of the terms you're using.
@hashimimohammed ilah is then the arabic word of god...and allah was then one of about 365 gods of pagan arabia...as for the jinns spirits of statues? concepts that existed only in arabia so islam did confirm a regional belief...this the merge and alteration of abrahamic faiths all things muhammad had sources about...his inner intentions of conquest...his dislike of jews...doesnt this all seem a little suspitious to u?
@hashimimohammed how about the name of the god allah(the politheistic god bringer of rain) the concept of jinns non existing in any other faith but in politheistic arabia...the kabba the temple of the main god of that same religion(allah's son in law)..etc.
the claim of islam beeing an abrahamic religion is only half correct because it only got other elements from it
certain elements from abrahamic religion+certain elements from pagan arabia = islam (in 500 letters cant explain more than this)
@hashimimohammed most people in mekka followed a politheistic religion but there were also jewish tribes that u should know...tribes that muhammad expelled when he got stablished in medina...were jewish tribes...also christians were there...his first wife was from a christian background if not christian herself...it was a multireligious land and muhammad found in all those faiths the elements to build a new faith...take the divine out of the equation and think over it again
@hashimimohammed quran is the assembled quotations of a man called muhammad during the last 20 years of his life...during which he leaded a cult and conquered parts of the arabian peninsula...based in parts of his old religion fused with the christian/judaic religion he made a new religion which he used to convince the converts to fight for his conquests- thats how it happened...if u extract anything from this that is positive for ur life...then ok..i guess
@hashimimohammed why do u think there is an higher purpose inerent to everything? things just are as they are...thats a concept made by religion that if something is as it is it must be for a purpose...not really..things happend caused by a certain reason but doesnt mean they happen caused by a certain conscient purpose...to answer this question try the mechanisms of evolution like natural selection...and u come up with an answer that is plausible for this case
@hashimimohammed the assembling of the quran seems very sketchy...do u really take it as the absolute truth?...
and its ok that u find that spirituality gave u strenght in life but i can assure u that u could equally get motivated by ur self...find morals by ur self...and find happiness by ur self...without needing faith...because faith its a knife with two ends...it can help u...but never without a big price...ur whole life
@hashimimohammed i dont know what happened to that specimen but i can give hipotesis...either they died off...merged with the homosapiens...or a bit of both...one thing i tell u nehanderthals aint refered in any religious text book to them is as if they havent even existed...and the very existence of nehanderthals shows us that really there wasnt any couple we can claim "the first 2 humans"
@hashimimohammed what makes u think that ever were a single pair of first humans? what do u know about biological evolution tell me?
about the quran tell me...who wrote it?
that last statment is the very well known pascals wager i tell u what u got to lose...the only life that u'll ever get...i'm not saying u couldnt find meaning to it in phylosophy(cuz i did)...but basing ur beliefs on faith will lead u to false conclusions and thats not an outcome u should accept for ur life
@hashimimohammed how are we here?well most of us do have a mother and a father that were in our origin..the quran was told by a human..memorised by humans..assembled by humans and written by humans..i'm reading the quran and so far i havent found anything in it that couldnt be invented by a human...see who's right when we die?if us atheist are correct..no one will see anything after we die...thats like making a bet if the world ends in 2012 then i'll pay u 50 bucks but if it doesnt u will pay me
What about Sufis? Don't they consider themselves to Muslim? They have open depths of naturalistic and interpretive philosophy dealing with language, poetry, geometry, dance, trance, emotional nuance... I like your videos and encourage you to continue on but I'd warn of throwing out the baby with bathwater.
@teleomorph Sure, the Sufis have a lot of admirable practices, and yes, they are (self-identified) Muslims.
But I'm not particularly interested in what can be gained by believing a certain thing (in this case, a version of Islam). I'm interested only in whether it's a reflection of reality or not.
I also find it worth noting that pretty much every non-Sufi Muslim in the world would consider Sufis "not Muslim". Not that that's anything new for different sects or denominations within religions
I respect your views Neo and I'm not replying to the question in this video, purely because I'm not a muslim, but, like you (I believe) I question everything around me, including 'God'. I mean, yeah I admit the idea of a 'creator' is stupid to some, and also the argument that all of this must have come from a creator, I'm not too sure how everything came to be. But I do know there is more to atoms and mass.
@hashimimohammed I am here because my mother gave birth to me. The universe as we know it is here because of the Big Bang. And the matter and energy that the universe contains have always existed.
What you are presenting is a logical fallacy known as an argument from ignorance, i.e. "Since we don't know how this happened, God (or Allah) must have done it". Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Muslims = death threats, trolling and stoning 13 year old girls, who have been raped.
killing people for a poor made drawing, no sense of humor, always bitching about how their rights have been violated by our freedom of speech, DUDE!!! CHILL!!!
i dont understand why people cant spot the glaring irony in the fact that you become exactly what you claim to loathe so much. its also the case of staunch atheists that hate religion so much. they become the same pompous self righteous, loud mouthed, annoying asses that fundamentalists are
@NeoDolph1n No it means I am Muslim because I love this religion. I don't have to convince you or present an "evidence" for my believe because you are staunch atheist who has no interest in my religion other then to mock it.
@mbleek2001 So, in other words, you agree that, because I require evidence to be convinced, rather than just "loving a religion" or "having faith", you can't convince me.... Right, got it.
@NeoDolph1n. Its funny because you are not the 1st or will be the last one asking for evidence to be convinced. I don't have problem with it, as along as it has honest intentions. But you on the other hand wants to simply disproof and ridicule this religion. You will never except what billions of Muslims practice everyday around the world due to the fact you are staunch atheist who can't stand any faith. So why are you seeking evidence when your mind is made up already?
@mbleek2001 I notice you're still not bothering to present any evidence. Is that because you don't have any, or is it just that you are sufficiently hateful that you enjoy the thought of others burning in the hell you believe we're bound for?
lol This video is pointless. your motivation is clear yet ask us Muslims to convince you? Why waist your time making a video about a religion you dislike so much? In the quran it says "you keep your believe and we (Muslims) keep our Deen" meaning you will never except our Deen and we will never except what you bring to us. Spiritual experience is real and is a part of the human experience. It is not something to deride, to hate, to mock. .
They got the same problem as Christians. Circular Reasoning regards "the holy book being the word of god because it says so" backed up by inherited religion, which is difficult to openly break out of if you stay within your society.
Check the C.I.A Fact Sheet, and Goggle it , you'll see, if am wrong, it means that the Muslim population HAS INCREASED, And this brother(forgot the name) got a PhD In Divinity in Havard University, and he worked for a Church, later he became a muslim! Can you imagine?!.... reflect!
One more thing, did you watch the video, 'Child Imam', watch it and you will BE SHOCKED!!
if you are wrong it means the muslim population has increased? you claimed it did. talk about a contradiction. every population has increased in the last 20 years, the atheists have grown the fastest.
I don't know where you get your numbers, but you really need to check your sources. You also probably need to watch the video again. Argument from popularity is a logical fallacy. I don't care if everyone else but me in the world is Muslim, you'd still need to convince me.
so 20 years ago, the muslim population of the arabian peninsula, pakistan, palestine, indonesia, afghanistan, and turkey was less than 5 million? i was in istambul 25 years ago, and there were 7 million muslims just there. oops.
Ha, I doubt Muslims would be able to accept your challenge, especially that you've basically thrown out all the illogical 'arguments and political bullshit.
btw, I watched your other vids on your other channel. I'm sorry to hear that your vids are being censored by the YouTube bot due to Islamic fanatics. I signed the petition and I'm grateful for that honor.
Good luck finding someone that does not use some variation of these arguments or arguments that rely on similar fallacies. That's all they have, really.
One argument i've heard could be called the "argument from simplicity", that monotheism of islam beats the Holy Trinity or the Hindu pantheon of multiple gods.
But fewer gods is better? how about zero gods? heh
I think this challenge could be open to ANY religion. Seems any theist brings circular logic and rectally extracted assertions to the 'debate'. It's so tiring hearing the same old shit for 44 yrs now. Not a single convincing argument yet. I, as well, impatiently wait for this.
I used to tolerate the religious but have become much less tolerant. Since internet communication and knowledge at fingertips has come along, there is no excuse for anyone to still hold onto sky daddy delusions.
You restricted out all 'arguments' I've ever seen used by Muslims. Good Luck finding one that can even make an attempt without them. I have zero respect for their ability to actually think for themselves enough to come up with something remotely new.
i'd just like to hear an argument for their religion that is unique to their religion. they always give the deistic arguments, or as in every faith, the same appeals to authority after pointing to their particular holy book.
expect lots of circular logic, and a whole bunch of ignorant fucks to reply with all the things you said not to. Its not about them convincing you it about you submitting as islam means. plus most muslims are so ignorant they might even think your video is a calling and you are ready to convert. respect for trying to be sensible about this tho, as i can see why you posed the question. btw do you know what the outcome of wilders court case was?
Doubtful. Christianity has been in steady decline ever since the beginning of the enlightenment, as more and more people realise that it has zero basis for its supernatural claims.
The reason the western world is ahead in science is precisely because we no longer depend on magic sky-pixies to explain natural phenomena.
Bet: The only arguments will all be self referential to the Q'uran and the only external refeences will be unreliable historical ones and even more unreliable science ones.
We should fight poverty, ignorance, develope economy and education. You are 200% right in what you say in your video , but fighting the religion is a useless thing to do. A hungry, poor, humiliated person living in a corrupt country, brain-washed day and night won't listen to your arguments. What esle do they have apart from their religion? What hope is there?
milkyroadtube 5 months ago
Stoning of people, arranged marriages, death threats etc etc happen in POOR IGNORANT societies, religion has nothing to do with it. Whether this religion is true or fault (if a 'true' religion exists). When Europe was undeveloped and ignorant Christians burned witches and Inquisition tortured people etc Today they don't do it. They are still christian... When muslims will have a normal life they won't have time and desire for the stupid things they do today. They wil still be muslims...
milkyroadtube 5 months ago
Over interpretation is like the cornerstone of Islam. The only ones calling a spade a spade when reading the Koran are the terrorists and those who support terrorism it seems.
80smusicfanNO1 7 months ago
you just wait until the dajjal comes out and jews following him an then nabi isa a.s come and imam mahdi comes he will convince you...maybe i just tell yusuf estel to convice you...
lastakuzcooze 8 months ago
Have you been editing this, Neodolph? Because it is very well written and polite for youtube. I commend everyone who has survived the winnowing process.
TreehouseOnMars 1 year ago
anther very useful and very succesful way converting infidels to islam, works very good lol
usring the sound of Quran (speciall method converting prisoners)
human way: usineg a wild camel reciting quran verses (natural melody)
inhuman way (called torture): using an untalented gone-wild wanna be fanatic Muezzin recitting Quran in the rythm of JIHAD-melody (warning: this way is very brutal, 50% of prisoners will loose mind control and even die)
Fravahar 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
another Torture methode to accept islam >> sound of Quran >> you can choose your favorite quran singer:
A: a wild Camel
B: untalented gone-wild islamic fanatic guy
result: loosing control over brain >>> converting to islam
Fravahar 1 year ago
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Fravahar 1 year ago
i have the best argument for islam >> it has worked for islam in the last 1400 years lol get this :
Convert to Islam or they will KILL you, you have the free choice of this methods:
A: Beheading
B: raped to death
lol now who can disagree ?
Fravahar 1 year ago
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aliluto 1 year ago
I am convinced - because the Creator promises full JUSTICE - everybody shall receive what they earned and none shall be wronged. There is no sacrifice or transfer of sins. Everybody is accountable for his actions, so it really appeals to be the best human possible - to behave yourself. Unlike other religions, Islam does not mix or mingle the Creator with His creation. Because of that, the worshiping aspect is easy.
Only you can convince yourself - but you already knew that, right! LOL! :)
beameout 1 year ago
@beameout
Would you also believe in another god, agents of whom promised full justice? If you step back for a second and take a look at what you are saying I think you will find that your reason for believing is simply your preference for justice. What makes you think that your preferences are any indicator of how the world is? Would you believe anything that confirms your idea about iternal justice?
omegavalerius 8 months ago
@hashimimohammed the scientific revolution came well before the industrial revolution but it brought the needed knowledge to turn the industrial revolution possible if much u can say that religion retarded the arrival of the scientific revolution and thus also the industrial revolution, it happened not because religion promoted it..it happen because religion was(finally) taken out from it...it didnt happened elsewere because there wasnt that type of secularism elsewere
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed industrial revolution's main cause was obviously the scientific revolution(and we all know whats the position of religions on science)... and once again u are confusing atheism with nihilism...nihilism can happen when a person loses his faith very suddently(like in my case) but that is just a temporary state..people will adjust to reality and get over it...religion and faith only bring fake prospects that make u do mistakes during all ur life
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed ...and for that i would never need the aproval of a god that would exist only in my mind...oh and i know this is the only life i'll ever get and i'm pretty ok with it
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed ...an afterlife that will never come...
u really do assume alot...u assume that civilization is dependent of religion(it is not), u assume that atheists have no purpose in life(those are nihilists) when the only relevant thing about atheists is that they have no god..i am an atheist and i found the meaning of life(that old philosophical question) and that can never be achieved on a theistic perspective...my life is meaningfull and i do know what i will do with it...
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed religious faith is to a person the basis of his whole life...its arround it a religious person builds his life so everything u do or think got something related to the religion u practice...the problem with religion is that it bends and distorts the real values and objectives in life a person could have...for example u currently do certain things in ur life with an afterlife reward in ur mind right?
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed u still see islam from the inside(of course ur a muslim), but i invite u to look at it from the outside...try and study the history from a secular point of view...forget all the notions u got of right and wrong good and evil and look at it from a utilitarian perspective...
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed well i dont consider my self an islamophobe i just point out a bad policy when i see it...and islam as it is its one of them...its non flexible to the ones who practice it and expantionist to the ones that dont practice it(yet)...trustworthy...u call trustworthy to someone that came up with a dogma...ok...he might have been...but once he enter that road he ceased to be...no matter what other people thought of him...what matters is what happened inside is head
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed its understandable that u regard muhammad as sinless in his life and innocent in his intencions...he did created ur religion made the rules and show u the new concepts he wanted u(muslims) to have..concepts of sin, peace, truth..etc...those concepts are shared among u who were indoctrinated or converted however everyone else dont share those concepts and look at ur prophet and religion with a more critical mind
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed im not talking about an army to serve a nation(as in a nation its everyone in it...u fight for it for the ultimate goal to protect the ones u spend ur life with) im talking about an army for one man...nothing else cares...just like the ant queen who is the only one allowed to reproduce controls the servent steril ants with pheromones...the caliphates realised the potencial of this and other theocracies(even from today) did the same
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed ....and wasnt him that introduced above all a rudimentary law that should be obeyed by muslims (for the quran is mostly a book filled with rules) its unflexible, cannot be questioned or changed, its sometimes brutal and enphacise punishment over rehabilitation...but the worse was the set of rules for the everyday life that turns life into a complicated and unecessary problem
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed ...didnt he introduce u to the notion that peace could only be accieved within islam either u convert or u submit either ur a muslim or stay under islamic rule?(to me this is oppression)...didnt he promissed rewards in the afterlife to those who obey without questioning? didnt he also promissed hell to those who were unbelievers, politheistic, most of jews, most of christians but above all for those who would oppose islam in any way?
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed peaceful? well can be if u consider death and total silence peace...i'm not trying to insult here...but isnt he the same muhammad that turn the people from arabia into a military regiment were the few joys they would get in life would be on the battlefield?didnt he valorise more the ones that would fight for god rather than the ones who wanted to stay out the warbusiness?
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed go to ur messages
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed at this question i got no room to answer in this format of 500 leters...please send me a mail with all the questions u want me to answer about evolution...but expect also some questions about ur own stance on the diversity of species
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed the success i was talking was social and economic...not military...what i say is not a conspiracy its actually the conclusion i get to explain the existence and nature of islam according to its creator own personality...if i take out all the claims of divine intervention what i get is a man that started a cult and rose in both political and military power for that he needed people to be submissive and that would obey his every order so he claimed to speak for the divine
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed salaam means peace...islam mean submission(to god) i know this already...
u were told to believe that the jews broke the rules that he commanded just as they broke the rules of god...jewish tribes were among the most successful tribes in that region so it was natural that he envy them and felt threatened by them...and he did gain a lot with his conquests terrain and a legion of followers who follow his every word thinking it came from the divine
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed the list may be long...but its false...i dont think u've got anything against evolution of life that i havent seen before and havent found a reasonable answer for...the problem is that evolution MUST be wrong because it tells another story than the quran and the quran MUST be right otherwise whatever good u found in faith might fall apart...u got a strong bias on this and i understand it however choosing faith over the truth doesnt seem right to me
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed a rational explanation for muslims believe in this is that muhammad didnt wanted his men to trust anyone from outside(that could become a potencial threat to him and his intentions) and so he said "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ..." and countless verses like that...i must say the quran is very repetivive it shows that really was a intention to overshow some ideas
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change state. That's the first law of thermodynamics and has been demonstrated. If you disagree, it's your job to prove it wrong.
The big bang theory, like all other SCIENTIFIC THEORIES, is an explanation of a series of observations, i.e. facts. There is only one theory about how the universe came to be. None of the other guesses qualify as scientific theories.
Please learn the meaning of the terms you're using.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago 2
@hashimimohammed ilah is then the arabic word of god...and allah was then one of about 365 gods of pagan arabia...as for the jinns spirits of statues? concepts that existed only in arabia so islam did confirm a regional belief...this the merge and alteration of abrahamic faiths all things muhammad had sources about...his inner intentions of conquest...his dislike of jews...doesnt this all seem a little suspitious to u?
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed how about the name of the god allah(the politheistic god bringer of rain) the concept of jinns non existing in any other faith but in politheistic arabia...the kabba the temple of the main god of that same religion(allah's son in law)..etc.
the claim of islam beeing an abrahamic religion is only half correct because it only got other elements from it
certain elements from abrahamic religion+certain elements from pagan arabia = islam (in 500 letters cant explain more than this)
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed most people in mekka followed a politheistic religion but there were also jewish tribes that u should know...tribes that muhammad expelled when he got stablished in medina...were jewish tribes...also christians were there...his first wife was from a christian background if not christian herself...it was a multireligious land and muhammad found in all those faiths the elements to build a new faith...take the divine out of the equation and think over it again
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed have u studied evolution at all? point me the flaw in the theory of evolution...i fail to see what it is...
and by the way what would be ur own answer to ur own question?
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed quran is the assembled quotations of a man called muhammad during the last 20 years of his life...during which he leaded a cult and conquered parts of the arabian peninsula...based in parts of his old religion fused with the christian/judaic religion he made a new religion which he used to convince the converts to fight for his conquests- thats how it happened...if u extract anything from this that is positive for ur life...then ok..i guess
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed why do u think there is an higher purpose inerent to everything? things just are as they are...thats a concept made by religion that if something is as it is it must be for a purpose...not really..things happend caused by a certain reason but doesnt mean they happen caused by a certain conscient purpose...to answer this question try the mechanisms of evolution like natural selection...and u come up with an answer that is plausible for this case
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed the assembling of the quran seems very sketchy...do u really take it as the absolute truth?...
and its ok that u find that spirituality gave u strenght in life but i can assure u that u could equally get motivated by ur self...find morals by ur self...and find happiness by ur self...without needing faith...because faith its a knife with two ends...it can help u...but never without a big price...ur whole life
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed i dont know what happened to that specimen but i can give hipotesis...either they died off...merged with the homosapiens...or a bit of both...one thing i tell u nehanderthals aint refered in any religious text book to them is as if they havent even existed...and the very existence of nehanderthals shows us that really there wasnt any couple we can claim "the first 2 humans"
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed what makes u think that ever were a single pair of first humans? what do u know about biological evolution tell me?
about the quran tell me...who wrote it?
that last statment is the very well known pascals wager i tell u what u got to lose...the only life that u'll ever get...i'm not saying u couldnt find meaning to it in phylosophy(cuz i did)...but basing ur beliefs on faith will lead u to false conclusions and thats not an outcome u should accept for ur life
cuscardo 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed how are we here?well most of us do have a mother and a father that were in our origin..the quran was told by a human..memorised by humans..assembled by humans and written by humans..i'm reading the quran and so far i havent found anything in it that couldnt be invented by a human...see who's right when we die?if us atheist are correct..no one will see anything after we die...thats like making a bet if the world ends in 2012 then i'll pay u 50 bucks but if it doesnt u will pay me
cuscardo 1 year ago
What about Sufis? Don't they consider themselves to Muslim? They have open depths of naturalistic and interpretive philosophy dealing with language, poetry, geometry, dance, trance, emotional nuance... I like your videos and encourage you to continue on but I'd warn of throwing out the baby with bathwater.
teleomorph 1 year ago
@teleomorph Sure, the Sufis have a lot of admirable practices, and yes, they are (self-identified) Muslims.
But I'm not particularly interested in what can be gained by believing a certain thing (in this case, a version of Islam). I'm interested only in whether it's a reflection of reality or not.
I also find it worth noting that pretty much every non-Sufi Muslim in the world would consider Sufis "not Muslim". Not that that's anything new for different sects or denominations within religions
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
I respect your views Neo and I'm not replying to the question in this video, purely because I'm not a muslim, but, like you (I believe) I question everything around me, including 'God'. I mean, yeah I admit the idea of a 'creator' is stupid to some, and also the argument that all of this must have come from a creator, I'm not too sure how everything came to be. But I do know there is more to atoms and mass.
Soonni2k6 1 year ago
@hashimimohammed I am here because my mother gave birth to me. The universe as we know it is here because of the Big Bang. And the matter and energy that the universe contains have always existed.
What you are presenting is a logical fallacy known as an argument from ignorance, i.e. "Since we don't know how this happened, God (or Allah) must have done it". Sorry, doesn't work that way.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
Muslims = death threats, trolling and stoning 13 year old girls, who have been raped.
killing people for a poor made drawing, no sense of humor, always bitching about how their rights have been violated by our freedom of speech, DUDE!!! CHILL!!!
Multimorten 1 year ago 7
@Multimorten yes they wan't western countrys to accept Islam, but they won't allow non muslims to enter Mecca!
MrAlexanderXII 8 months ago
@MrAlexanderXII Well said
Multimorten 8 months ago
i dont understand why people cant spot the glaring irony in the fact that you become exactly what you claim to loathe so much. its also the case of staunch atheists that hate religion so much. they become the same pompous self righteous, loud mouthed, annoying asses that fundamentalists are
mbleek2001 1 year ago
@mbleek2001 I take it that means you can't actually present any evidence for your beliefs?
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n No it means I am Muslim because I love this religion. I don't have to convince you or present an "evidence" for my believe because you are staunch atheist who has no interest in my religion other then to mock it.
mbleek2001 1 year ago
@mbleek2001 So, in other words, you agree that, because I require evidence to be convinced, rather than just "loving a religion" or "having faith", you can't convince me.... Right, got it.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n. Its funny because you are not the 1st or will be the last one asking for evidence to be convinced. I don't have problem with it, as along as it has honest intentions. But you on the other hand wants to simply disproof and ridicule this religion. You will never except what billions of Muslims practice everyday around the world due to the fact you are staunch atheist who can't stand any faith. So why are you seeking evidence when your mind is made up already?
mbleek2001 1 year ago
@mbleek2001 I notice you're still not bothering to present any evidence. Is that because you don't have any, or is it just that you are sufficiently hateful that you enjoy the thought of others burning in the hell you believe we're bound for?
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
lol This video is pointless. your motivation is clear yet ask us Muslims to convince you? Why waist your time making a video about a religion you dislike so much? In the quran it says "you keep your believe and we (Muslims) keep our Deen" meaning you will never except our Deen and we will never except what you bring to us. Spiritual experience is real and is a part of the human experience. It is not something to deride, to hate, to mock. .
mbleek2001 1 year ago
They got the same problem as Christians. Circular Reasoning regards "the holy book being the word of god because it says so" backed up by inherited religion, which is difficult to openly break out of if you stay within your society.
pilgrimpater 2 years ago
Check the C.I.A Fact Sheet, and Goggle it , you'll see, if am wrong, it means that the Muslim population HAS INCREASED, And this brother(forgot the name) got a PhD In Divinity in Havard University, and he worked for a Church, later he became a muslim! Can you imagine?!.... reflect!
One more thing, did you watch the video, 'Child Imam', watch it and you will BE SHOCKED!!
sulayman360 2 years ago
Link your source, please. I'm not wasting my time finding statistics that you already claim to have.
IF you can prove that the Muslim population worldwide was 5 million only 20 years ago, I shall be very impressed.
And for the record, brainwashed children only shock me because I find it disgusting what their parents and society has done to them.
NeoDolph1n 2 years ago
i was in istambul 25 years ago, and there were 7 million muslims just in istambul at the time. this guy is a total fail.
brownbigb 2 years ago
if you are wrong it means the muslim population has increased? you claimed it did. talk about a contradiction. every population has increased in the last 20 years, the atheists have grown the fastest.
brownbigb 2 years ago
Thats sufficient to convince you, provided you are AMONG those who, reflect...
sulayman360 2 years ago
I don't know where you get your numbers, but you really need to check your sources. You also probably need to watch the video again. Argument from popularity is a logical fallacy. I don't care if everyone else but me in the world is Muslim, you'd still need to convince me.
NeoDolph1n 2 years ago
F.B.I
F-Firm
B-Believer
I-in Islam
I cant wait, seeing these videos tells me 'What are you waiting for!?'
Very soon Inshallah.
In the end, only Truth shall Prevail,
20 years ago, we were ONLY 5 million, now? we are are over 1.5 Billion, Allahu Akbar!
We just CANT stop.
sulayman360 2 years ago
so 20 years ago, the muslim population of the arabian peninsula, pakistan, palestine, indonesia, afghanistan, and turkey was less than 5 million? i was in istambul 25 years ago, and there were 7 million muslims just there. oops.
brownbigb 2 years ago 3
@sulayman360 I.S.L.A.M
I. International.
S. Sect of
L. Liars.
A. And.
M. Murderers.
Malsipots 1 year ago
Ha, I doubt Muslims would be able to accept your challenge, especially that you've basically thrown out all the illogical 'arguments and political bullshit.
btw, I watched your other vids on your other channel. I'm sorry to hear that your vids are being censored by the YouTube bot due to Islamic fanatics. I signed the petition and I'm grateful for that honor.
KnightOfGod82291 2 years ago
Good luck finding someone that does not use some variation of these arguments or arguments that rely on similar fallacies. That's all they have, really.
AzmodanKijur 2 years ago
Do people really think that music is Haram?
makaisenki 2 years ago
Many Muslims do, yes.
NeoDolph1n 2 years ago
One argument i've heard could be called the "argument from simplicity", that monotheism of islam beats the Holy Trinity or the Hindu pantheon of multiple gods.
But fewer gods is better? how about zero gods? heh
Elvisdogg 2 years ago 15
And now the Gequapo will get to work....
(Geheimes Quran Polizei)
Clausfarre 2 years ago
ISLAM is the TRUTH because the QUR'AN says so ... ;)
keep it up ... !!!
TheLiquidLight 2 years ago 3
Nice challenge. I wonder how many people will take up this challenge.
jebus6kryst 2 years ago
I think this challenge could be open to ANY religion. Seems any theist brings circular logic and rectally extracted assertions to the 'debate'. It's so tiring hearing the same old shit for 44 yrs now. Not a single convincing argument yet. I, as well, impatiently wait for this.
I used to tolerate the religious but have become much less tolerant. Since internet communication and knowledge at fingertips has come along, there is no excuse for anyone to still hold onto sky daddy delusions.
saxmanchiro 2 years ago 10
saxmanchiro, agreed. watch?v=w7WX2fSeXVE - I've been having a discussion with them and they hold the sky daddy idea firmly.
farvision 2 years ago
You restricted out all 'arguments' I've ever seen used by Muslims. Good Luck finding one that can even make an attempt without them. I have zero respect for their ability to actually think for themselves enough to come up with something remotely new.
renegade4dio 2 years ago 2
i'd just like to hear an argument for their religion that is unique to their religion. they always give the deistic arguments, or as in every faith, the same appeals to authority after pointing to their particular holy book.
sheepwshotguns 2 years ago
If u want to learn about science in the quran watch?v=6VesTrnW9UA
I just made it today, 1400 years of stupidity.
Takfir!
allah akhra!
IHateAllReligion 2 years ago
The Quran speaks of Jinns/Genies all the fucking time.... and how retarded is that???
And muslims call their book scientific... LOL.
Its full of bronze-age superstition. Just like the bible.
JegHarEnLillePik 2 years ago
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JegHarEnLillePik
Be fair - its full of iron-age superstition not bronze age.
Naeron66 2 years ago
@Naeron66
yes but it's based on a bronze age one Judayism (spell check fail)
ManicMalcolm 2 years ago
expect lots of circular logic, and a whole bunch of ignorant fucks to reply with all the things you said not to. Its not about them convincing you it about you submitting as islam means. plus most muslims are so ignorant they might even think your video is a calling and you are ready to convert. respect for trying to be sensible about this tho, as i can see why you posed the question. btw do you know what the outcome of wilders court case was?
prankmypants 2 years ago
Islam fails.
You muslims say that allah is on your side.... but when you look at the world it dosent seem that way.
You muslims are dead last in science, art and military might compared to all other peoples, religions and countries.
I think Allah converted to Christianity 500 years ago.
StrapOnDildoSexRulez 2 years ago 2
Doubtful. Christianity has been in steady decline ever since the beginning of the enlightenment, as more and more people realise that it has zero basis for its supernatural claims.
The reason the western world is ahead in science is precisely because we no longer depend on magic sky-pixies to explain natural phenomena.
NeoDolph1n 2 years ago
Bet: The only arguments will all be self referential to the Q'uran and the only external refeences will be unreliable historical ones and even more unreliable science ones.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Yeah, I'm not taking that bet.
NeoDolph1n 2 years ago