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  • I don't get it. Is it metal for the sake of metal. Death metal is always an expression of rage against some form of oppression. The fact that its death metal is inconsequential to the emotion behind it but relevant to the attitude being expressed. So, are you singing "christian death metal" for the sake of it sounding metal or are you enraged with God and expressing that rage towards him. Just like to know.

  • @TheMonsterzero they are showing their hatred towards satan and for what he is doing to humans. It is ok to be angry as long as you are truly angry at the right thing you are supposed to be angry with. just like love the person but hate the sin that they are commiting and that is between them and God. We are not here to judge just to offer a better way of life and to have it more abundantly with Jesus.

  • @TheMonsterzero a lot of death metal is tongue in cheek gore for the sake of tongue in cheek gore. it seems you've got it confused for black metal.

  • Oxymoron.

  • Christian death metal rises on the third day.

  • What about Approbrium (formerly Incubus), albums: Serpent temptation, Beyond the unknown.

  • Christian death metal: satanic death metal...

  • What's next? Christian Black Metal?

  • @breakdownbaker It does exist moron, and it's called unBlack Metal.

  • @xXGhostChuyXx That's the whole point of the joke, idiot.

  • @breakdownbaker Can't read sarcasm :fuckthatshit:

  • @breakdownbaker /watch?v=8oG_KGeJr6o

    ;)

  • This shit is fucking gay because it's christian; fucking christians need to be killed off. I like death metal, but christ ruins it.

  • @beeeefcurtains you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • Im Christian and this is more devil's than DEVIL'S MUSIC..

  • @W8ingforlifetobegin no it's not.

  • LOL irony

  • the music is fair but the message is stupid, Death Metal is a genre that is meant to be evil not fucking Holy

  • This is all well and good, but they honestly sound pretty similar to garage black metal bands, in terms of mixing music, except the examples from Skymetal and Soul Embraced provided here. It's all okay, but there could always be better sound mastering. Otherwise, it's pretty heavy and to my liking. I'm an Atheist and I like music, and I approve this message (comment).

  • (First track) This is metal? This  sounds like punk ;p

  • so do they like god and praise him and this is their way of doing it or is this santanic music and the title is just christain screamo cause i dont even know what there saying but i like that even screamo can be used to praise gods name

  • I'm a christian, and I don't mind bands being considered "satanic"...I still listen to them, anyway. Because, if they are original and have talent, it's not a fucking sin to listen to the bands you like.

  • fuck this shit, death to your non-existant god....your fuckin oxymoron pieces of shit.

  • We should start a band and call it something like Deth2demons. Or maybe the Anti-anti-christs. I was thinking about a band called "Satan" Only it's written upside down. I don't know, just something like that. Metal sounds so much better when it's not satanic. And it sounds even better than that when it's Christian. \m/

  • @MegaAnkylosaurus ok thats retarded because music should sound great no matter what the preference is come on now

  • @crunkbees You have a point, I guess really what I meant to say is that since IT is Christian and I am Christian, I like it better.

  • @MegaAnkylosaurus well u shoulda said that from the start and maybe u wouldnt have so many fuckin negative comments ya know

  • @MegaAnkylosaurus one more thing just cause theres a band thats satanic doesnt mean they suck....like slayer. u know how many people love that band and would right shitty things on here cause u diss them? listen to the music too not just the lyrics

  • @crunkbees I never said that satanic bands suck. Slayer is cool and all, but I feel much better about music when it's not coming down on Jesus.

  • i think killing a demon would be more metal anyway

  • I gotta say, man, THIS is the BEST. I've been in love with death metal for years, almost a decade now, and I've been dying to hear some lately. I've not been listening as of recent, as I've been saved, and the negative and sometimes satanic vibe of the music is no bueno. Great to see there are some GREAT Jesus lovin' dm bands. Keep it [CHRISTIAN] metal! :]

  • MitchelxUnderoath: lol more like

    satan: hey God look what i did to your music!

    God: you didn't change a thing. only the lyrics.*deep metal voice*NOW GIVE IT BACK

    satan: yes sir ///_p

  • tbh they should rename Christian Death metal to Christian LIFE metal :) Sorta I guess

  • I'm sure Jesus had nice long hair to thrash to this wondrousness. And what the fuck is with this notion that the sound of death metal is anti-christian!? Jesus never said "thou shalt not enjoy blast beats and harsh vocals". The only thing that can male such bands unchristian is if they're lyrics are unchristian

  • @skjaldulfr Not only if the lyrics are unChristian, but the motives and vibes behind the music...

  • I have no Idea what they're saying. They must be speaking in tongues.

  • Satin was like, "Hey God, look at what I did to your music. It's all heavy and crap and now everyone is screaming my name, glorifying me though metal." Then God was like, "Hey Satin, look at what I did to your music. It's even heavier than yours, and now everyone is screaming MY name, glorifying ME through METAL!!" ...true story

  • @MitchelxUnderoath lol it's spelled satan. satin is a type of fabric.

  • Look forward to seeing this stuff performed on a 'church tour' of Britain. Can you imagine the Womens Institute moshing to this? bersides: Good luck to them. It's a free society and they can do what they want.

  • wow...they're REALLY reaching out now huh? to be honest... And this is just MY opinion which really shouldn't count for much in a sea of opinions... But "Christian Death Metal" seem pretty fuckin' stupid. <--PERIOD! Although... It seems like a good way to make 1/3 of the younger christian populous switch to actual GOOD death and/or black metal, realize that we all rot in the ground to feed something else, and kill each other for no reason in masses on the daily...yup, way to help your cause.

  • @SUP3R10Rzombie stupid ? haha hoow? there is nothing different at all between regular deathmetal and Christian deathmetal. plus, it's still worshiping God.

  • where is Deicide?

  • @666hyperionhellas deicide??

  • Why does it matter to anyone if someone wants to play death metal if they are a Christian. The Bible says "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord." -Psalm 100:1. These bands are awesome and anyone who is a true Christian should not judge them.

  • @steura01 YES!<3 FINALLY I AM AMONG MY PEOPLE!

  • I'm gonna search christian black metal.

  • Christian metal...pfff.....is this a joke.

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  • @divinitycove89 just because you associate one thing with another doesnt mean everyone else does and by the way their is no human being who doesnt contradict themselves, whether their atheist or religious. You seem to have a problem with religion which is understandable, but believe me if religion didnt exist it would be something else. The genre is anti-christian to the core. Well your definition of christian and death metal may be different from others.

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  • @divinitycove89 i also get sick of seeing people like you generalize. CLOSE MINDED, and i love how you assumed i was believed in Jesus ("you're Jesus). please dont assume, if you want to look like an ass keep me out of it

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  • @divinitycove89 by the way who is that mainspring band on your page, the music sounds good by i cant find them anywhere else

  • @centralbeeee

    Oh, yeah. Mainspring. If you're looking for them, just look at the bottom of the info on one of the videos I uploaded. I provided a link of the discography, considering how hard it is to find. If you like bands that keep into the vein of Rites of Spring and that Dischord Records sound, but also like a pinch of that mid 90s Emotive Hardcore sound, bands like Indian Summer, Frail, and Portraits of Past. Then you may appreciate it.

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  • @centralbeeee

    Wow, I actually want to apologize to you for assuming I was talking to someone who did. That was something that didn't cross my mind. I simply came here to express my opinion on the subject, because for many reasons, as I said, I just can't support anything involving the religion.

  • @centralbeeee "Death Metal = Very detailed gore, disgusting death, vomit, blood, piss, shit, rape, necrophilia, Satan, and everything sick, twisted," You haven't listened to every single death metal band so you just look ignorant and close minded. HAHA your comments got removed because they realized how ignorant and close minded you are. I feel sorry for you,you cant even challenge anything i said because you know im right. All you can say is "stay out of it". Come on at least a challenge haha

  • @centralbeeee

    Lol Hey now, I stood up and apologized. I can accept the fact that people, you being one, listen to it, even though they don't believe it. I'm simply saying now, that "I" can't accept this. Simply for what it is, and for how unforgivably hypocritical of Christians it is, for them to associate with anything remotely related to the genre, for the reasons of what the genres majority of bands symbolize, and for how Christianity affects things. Christianity is silly. lol

  • @centralbeeee "unforgivably hypocritical of Christians it is, for them to associate with anything remotely related to the genre"

    please explain why its hypocritical

  • @centralbeeee

    Eh, because my whole life, especially in my home state, they've always been against music like Death Metal, Hardcore, etc. Then suddenly, in recent years, you have Christians taking genres, changing the lyrics, and suddenly it's OK. It doesn't sound "evil" to them anymore either. Lol.. I mean, I guess it's good they are becoming that way, but it's still kind of irritating. Also, my local music scene is overrun with Christian Metal and Christian "Hardcore" (breakdown bullshit)

  • Satan didn't create anything...he is a deceiver and a dog on a leash. his death is imminent. Mosh it up!

  • Jesus ouuuuuuuuuuuu shit

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  • @laciebarrett27 Read the lyrics retard.

  • @laciebarrett27 Really? Maybe you cant hear the message as you aren't used to this form of music but I have no problem hearing it. And nothing belongs to satan! If you think this music is so horrible then why are you hear? to bring everybody else down for listening to it? You base a sound as evil yet the message is Godly and brings salvation to those who may never have listened to it otherwise. Your too narrow minded and wont reach anyone outside your church.

  • @777ProdigalSon777 maybe i was wrong. im sorry. I didnt realize people get worship out of this

  • @laciebarrett27 haha, thats a first i dont think ive ever seen someone admit they were wrong on youtube. I RESPECT that

  • "Ratings Disabled"

    /\ how to tell early-on that a youtube video sucks.

  • rubbish

  • /watch?v=2APpknzmDoA WATCH AND READ

  • You people will condemn yourselves straight to Heaven for listening to all this God-worshiping music!

  • There is nothing more metal than Jesus! Hail Jesus!

  • @26mollyroxy Zombie Jesus is more metal than Jesus... just sayin'...

  • excellent video

  • as is pantokrator

  • i assure you people, living sacrifice and feast eternal are both much better than they seem from this video

  • filone musicale che non ha nulla da invidiare al metal non cristiano

  • Pig snorting vocals?

  • every one of these bands serves as empirical evidence that jesus DOES NOT ROCK!

  • @bellydweller no everyone of these bands is proof that no matter what you're singing about or anything there's going to be a few bands that just dont deserve to make a record. but to be honest with most death metal I've listened to, the Christian side of things is just SO much better. these bands here being the exception that is. you want some awesome bands that are christian? Try Becoming the Archtype, Demon Hunter, and As I Lay Dying

  • are they fuckin real ?

  • This is just god-awful. The old testament is more hardcore than most of these groups, down to its foreskin chopping glory.

  • Metal and Religion only goes hand in hand when Gods head is on a pike during a live concert.

  • I'm Christian myself, but all of those bands were horrible... Check out Antestor for some real Christian Black metal.

  • @luridangel777 ummm dude encryptor is freaking BRUTAL!!

  • @CGDrummer96

    HEY COOKIE MONSTER! NOTHING IS AS BRUTAL AS NYEAHHHHHHHHHOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!

  • FUCK ALL RELIGION \m/

  • @26mollyroxy Christianity isn't a religion

  • what is the name of these songs??

  • Not weird at all, yahweh is as brutal and evil as any god, they can sing about crushing baby skulls and fucking their sexslaves. Loads of material :D

  • More christian death metal, heavy metal and speed metal. KEEP ROCKN FOR THE KING!!

    MetalCrossTV

  • @MetalCrossTV Yeah, let's rock for a baby murdering, gay bashing, sexist King! All hail the most sadistic character in all of fiction.

  • well well cool, im forming a christian hairmetal band this is not that great you cant understand them.

  • the best kind of death metal.

  • ...Who the fuck divided by zero?

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  • christian death metal?? that´s like jewish people making nazi-punk :D

  • @liaMuc87 hey my gpa died in the holocaust.....he fell off of a guard tower

  • @Boobiespudding oh come on, how lame are you? this is one of the oldest jokes around....

  • @liaMuc87 problem?

  • @Boobiespudding yep... lame old jokes are the problem.

  • @liaMuc87 no i think you are the problem

  • @Boobiespudding think about this: why should i give a fuck about you?

  • @liaMuc87 you're obviously ignorant to the metal scene. Some of the heaviest bands are Christian bands. Randy from Lamb of God often wears an As I Lay Dying shirt onstage. (As I Lay Dying is a Christian band).

  • @liaMuc87 not saying the songs in this video were good, because they sucked major balls.

  • @BradE17 right. but i didn´t mean the quality anyway. i just think its kinda paradox to make christian death-metal.

  • @liaMuc87 perhaps the genre is in need of a name change, but distorted tones and dropped tuning doesn't make something less christian. At least that's the way i look at it.

  • @BradE17 i´m neither a christian nor a satanist, but i just think death metal fits better with satanistic lyrics

  • @liaMuc87 there are some bands that I really respect and listen to often that use satanic imagery, but I find the concept of being a satanist retarded (not just as a Christian, but as a rational person). So, I tend to appreciate death metal that doesn't sing about Satanic themes.

  • @BradE17 well, i´m jewish and in our religion satan is more an employee of god who is responsible for testing us humans than a really evil being, so maybe there´s a different point of view. i´m simply a big fan of horror-movies , brutal death metal & stuff like this. satanism isn´t really a smart thing, but it´s more a philosophy than a real religion. somebody who really worships satan must have some serious problems, though ;) but everybody´s free to do what he/she wants

  • theres alot of brutality in the bible

  • which pantokrator song is that playing at 3:40

  • Christian Death Metal SUCK!!.I prefer Anti-Christian or CC kind of Lyrics

  • I hate youtube trolls get a life and grow up. Shut your mouth and listen for once and maybe your small mind can learn something!!!

  • @Railfan88 Learn about what? How christianity shits on everything and steals credit for an musical genre that was created to battle shit like religion? I think we've pretty much learned that decades ago. It's the religious morons who think that because it kisses their god's ass, that justifies calling it metal? Not to mention how these bands are making money (false idol) off a belief that condemns the entire world to eternal suffering based on a finite crime. Duh.

  • @clipsryan Sad to see so many lost souls in the world. Anyways my friend you made me laugh keep on arguing on youtube because it serves no purpose and gets you nowhere, have a nice day :)

  • @Railfan88 First, you must prove a soul even exists and then you must prove that the person it's attached to is actually lost. It servs a great purpose for those that can swallow their pride and not run away when their views are challenged.

  • @clipsryan

    have much take in just leave, you're free to say what you want as well whatever, but to say blunt negative remarks for something you could simply ignore you have nothing much else too do im guessing. I don't see how the excuses you've said have given you reasoning to continue and further an argument without an appropriate answer to the questions i've asked you.

  • @TickleMeTroy I've got plenty to do but while I'm doing it, I have a minute to spare checking out comments and videos that are sent to me buy my friends. I would ignore it if I felt that it wasn't that big of a deal but I hate religion and I love metal so, obviously I'm gonna attack this contradicting combination. You don't see how? That's too bad cause I made myself clear with great points and I guess your denial has set in.

  • Christianity has a right to be in metal and it is so get over it.

  • @Railfan88 "Christianity has a right to scare little children into believe and it does so get over it." makes just has much sense.

  • well this is better than regular death metal u that for all you sanatic pieces of CRAP

  • @fuzzybanna99 sanatic pieces of crap? lol a clone can never be better than the original.

  • YEAH!! Hail SATAN!!!.....wait.....I took the wrong elevator.

  • Amen sounds good.

  • @Binkeh9 If a group of Christian people making music in a mostly non-Christian scene causes the non-Christians to stop liking that type of music, that just means those people are retarded bigots. What's wrong with making Metal with a positive message, huh?! Man, you people are idiotic.

  • @mgsfan15 Yes, the positive bigotry message of "Believe in my god or suffer for eternity." as apposed to honest writing by true death metal bands like Deicide. You christians take land after land, try to put your creationism crap in science class, attempt to beat down gays and non-believers, push a fake act of "positive" christianity, and you think we're just gonna smile while you shit on the music that gives the opressed, a voice? That's not idiotic, that's sad and insane. Retarded? Nice, bigot

  • @clipsryan Man, you must be a pothead.

    There's nothing bigoted about the Christian faith. You are just a moron.

    So what exactly is a "true death metal band"? I thought it was just a way of playing instruments and doing vocals. I didn't know it HAD to be about violence and negativity.

    And Christianity is a "fake act of positive"? I got an idea, dummy. How about you read some of the book you bash before talkin B.S?

    And you are retarded by choice. So I'm not talking about people that can't help it

  • @mgsfan15 A crack head could understand how bigoted christianity and the rest of the abrahamic religions are.

    There isn't? So instead of calling me a moron, next time, try some actual evidence for your claim like I (the moron) did.

    Death is violent and negative, idiot. Lyrics have just as much to do with a style as the music. Stick to MGS.

    I have :).

    No, just stubborn to your ways of thinking. The same people that your loving god made to be child-like for the rest of their lifes?

  • What a load of bullshit. Goddamn christians trying to take everything that isn't their's. Isn't their something in the bible about being a theif?

  • @clipsryan Oh, so you're saying that a type of music is reserved for people that aren't Christian? That's smart.

  • @mgsfan15 You got it. Makes you look less like hypocrites that way. Wouldn't wanna be too liberal in your worshipping would you?

  • @clipsryan

    Cry me a river, I don't judge your stupid ass. It's what they believe in and if they want to put it to music so be it.

  • @TickleMeTroy First, you have no reason to judge me. Second, you just did. If they wanna put a contradictiong concept into metal, they can try but it'll never be anything but a joke and if me and other rationalists wanna attack them for it, so be it. No, fuck off :).

  • @clipsryan

    This is where your close mind secedes you, the comment stating that you're a "stupid ass" was in no way judging you, but to make a simple statement with how ignorant your statements are. If anyone here is contradicting themselves its you, homie. You claim they're trying to take over the things that aren't theirs, so now we claim life's tangible/intangible items? I'm not sure how metal and its sub-genres could belong to any religion.. Grow up and use your brain.. or what lies there.

  • @TickleMeTroy I'm a very open minded person, I just refuse to believe in the supernatural and the combination of christianity and the music that's anything but christian. Black metal is satanic (more of an anti-christian tradition than religion) though we have these morons trying to make christian black metal or "white metal". Aside from that, metal in general has always been against christianity. Christianity has no place in metal. Nice way in saying I'm contradiction myself without ANY proof.

  • @clipsryan

    You see here's the thing, if your mind was more open you'd see that the only reason ignorant people such as yourself believe any music with some sort of dark blistering sound and harsh lyrics to be satanic is from biblical stories. So, you still feel you're open minded? Or just assuming something belongs to a particular religious group?

  • @TickleMeTroy No, just black metal is satanic. Always has been. An open minded metal head would already know that. The rest of the metal scene is for anything but bible thumping. Wanna hear christian music, go to church.

  • @clipsryan

    Once again you've contradicted yourself. You keep stating metal and genres related are satanic and anti-christian but you just stated only black metal is but in the same sentence said its not for "Christians". Let me ask you, what's wrong with Christians? Is it such a big deal to let a particular religious group in on a music genre that belongs to no particular religion? Or are you so fucking ignorant you think everything in your putrid mind that was brought upon you is correct?

  • @TickleMeTroy I'm starting to think you have no idea what a contradiction is. BLACK metal is inspired by the character called satan. It's a anti-christian philosophy and metal as a whole, is about freedom and individuality. These are things religion (especially the abrahamic religions) doesn't provide. It's not what's wrong with "christians" more than what's wrong with religion in general. Religion is nothing but an elitist position that convinces people they don't have to answer to reality.

  • @clipsryan

    It's you I believe who'd misreading my logic. Your missing the big picture here, this I believe is death metal, this is in no way black metal. The genre is quite different actually, although you inexplicably can't tell the difference. In fact there is no creature by the likes named "Satan" as you yourself I believe to be a satanist, you should well know his name is Lucifer. I'm all for religious freedom, but if you're here to solicit and troll for something you don't believe in or

  • @TickleMeTroy Your logic? I never said this was black metal. I was adding black metal into the picture so you'd understand how christianity is trying to sneak itself into something that never needed it and too be honest, doesn't fit with it. There's a big difference between death and black metal. For one, the lyrics and vocals are very different along with what kinda background instruments are used. Satan has MANY names and no, I'm not a satanist, I idolize the character called Satan.

  • @clipsryan

    I'm beginning to wonder how stupid you really are, im also curious as to how you believe you're open minded as well. You're saying it's "sneaking into something that never needed it", what about you there hombre? The world has plenty of ignorant self absorbed kids who ride the yellow bus with a helmet, why would we need you? Since you so called idolize this "Satan" but have yet to as I said be satanist im not sure where you're going with this, its all the same.

  • @TickleMeTroy Being honest about a topic that I don't agree with, is far from closed minded. There are MANY things I approve of that many don't and considering I think about things before I decide if they makes sense or not, I'm anything but closed minded. Self absorbed retards? That's mature and open minded. Look at all the moderate christians idolizing Jesus. I idolize the rebel character, satan, among others. Atleast he's not bent on eternal worship or blaming those less powerful than him.

  • @clipsryan

    Amazing, now you're realizing what you sound like. At least you have some sense as to what you say you believe in, if you were to say that you're satanist i'd strangle you. Idolizing is an overbearing cynical word everyone uses to describe their iridescent devout beliefs. You're welcome to keep commenting, but I haven't the time to keep up some game you intend on pursuing based on YOUR self-righteous religious beliefs. Have fun in your endeavors.

  • @TickleMeTroy Strangling someone for their beliefs is obviously a sign of insecurity. I prefer education than violence but that's me and I should have some sense of what I believe because that would atleast justify me believing it. No, idolizing is what moderate christians do to jesus when they can't force themselvs to believe in an old testament god. I idolize any being that rebels against a corrupt authority and you apparently don't understand what an atheist is. Run away, coward.

  • @clipsryan

    As my final and last reply i'd like to say as insecure as you are about yourself to argue over the internet and to consistently reply with such an arrogant mindset, you don't go far in life. You're talking about idolizing any power that corrupts any justified system, but earlier it was about how a particular genre of music doesn't fit. Once again you're contradicting yourself, you're probably goggling everything you've said to sound as if you have any idea as to what you've said.

  • @clipsryan

    My insecurities are nothing more than self absorbed middle aged virgins who sit on the internet and claim they're ideals are correct. It's funny how you act, you seem to know what you're talking about but looking back you haven't done much but end up fooling yourself, any other comments you're going to reply with: CoolStoryBro. You obviously have nothing better to do with your life.

  • @TickleMeTroy Those are you're false assumptions used to replace your lack of argument. Insecurites don't have an age nor a sex life. Nice try. Don't confuse something better with something to do while I'm already on youtube and if I seem to know what I'm talking about it's because I do and that's why I don't use ad hominem bullshit like you ;).

  • @clipsryan That's really close-minded and biased. Do yourself (and us) a favor and don't speak further. Thanks in advance.

  • @QFuzzle No, a belief that says you're nothing and you deserve eternal suffering, is close-minded and biased. Applying this belief to a genre that was never meant to promote christianity, is dishonest and the thousands of denominations under christianity. Do yourself a favor and think before you comment.

  • funniest think ever

  • What the fuck? This is terrible. Shameful.

    

  • 0:47 that chick has some big tits

  • Jajajajajajaja xD

  • @Binkeh9 me gusta que chupar el pene

  • @Binkeh9

    That made me laugh pretty hard. Totally agree.

  • @Binkeh9 satanists, eatin babies since 30 bc

  • HELLYEAH.. INFLUENCES BY DEICIDE...!! THE SATAN RYTHMS INFLUENCES TO CHRISTIAN PEOPLE !! UFF ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • All you have to do to make something un-cool is put Christian in front of it.

  • @IsolationInstigation All You Have To Do To MAke Something Un-Cool Is Put Satan On THe Front.

  • @kidharris55 A being that rebelled against a control freak and is now known as a symbol of wisdom and anti-opression, cool to me.

  • @Binkeh9 burn in hell then. u dont see us turning down ur religion dont do it to us

  • Why does there have to be Christian version of everything?

  • @Tubadude888 cause im better then u<3

  • @1FineTerd  *than you

  • @Tubadude888 u called my bluff

  • The Pope of the Catholic church approves.

  • Crush satans head

  • how can christian bands play demonic rythms??????

  • @cyberspace123 because demons are angles, if demons play metal angels can too. angels are just as brutal.

  • @TheLetter31 sounds like crap to me what you are saying - but it's your oppinion and I let you have it (free speech)

  • FUCK YEAH JESUS, THANK YOU FOR DEATH METAL

  • Its ironic that they are Christian and they play DEATH METAL

  • um, some of these band names do not sound so positive to me. and the album titles are questionable as well.