@TheSlovakfan VSECHNY staty kolaborovali. Cesi, Slovasi, Madaru hlavne nebo dokonce Holandani a Frantici.
Nikdy jsem nepoprel ze byli i mezi nama, prijde mi naprosto zcestne jak se me nebo jine cechy snazis pomalovat tou nacistikou barvou. Prid nekdy do Prahy, sam uvidis ze krajni pravice nebo levice je VELMI opovrhovana.
@PJ3Life To mozno ano, praveze nejde o otvoreny nacizmus alebo komunizmus ale o skrytu formu kde sa vyuzivaju prave tie dane vyhody a v pravy moment sa obrati kabat, ale taky politici su vsade a vsetko treba posudzovat aj vo svetle okolnosti, nikto na slovensku okrem tuku a radikalov sa asi tazko chcel sa stat satelitom nemcov,nebodaj nacistom. Tiso je kontroverzny tkisto ako benes co vystahoval nemcov aj madarov, vela z nich zahynulo..to je asi nadlhsiu dbatu
@PJ3Life Aj tu na youtube je video o slovenskom state kde cesky historici hovoria o tom ako slovaci moc na vyber nemali a nepomohlo tomu ani to, ze cesi im nechceli dat vacsiu autonomiu, ktora bolu slubena v pittsburgskej dohode a homolov puc a takychto akcii bolo viac. Alebo Benesove legendarne Tiso musi viset, to mi pride pomaly ako monsterprocesy, kde vysledok je jasny pred riadnym sudom.
@TheSlovakfan Tisuv proces byl sam kontroverzni, ale na druhou stranu byl zase otevren sympatizant a dokonce posilal Hitlerovi "dekovny dopis" za potlaceni SNP. Hnus.
To mi stale ale nevysvetluje tvoji nenavist. Ano, Cesi se, budme uprimni k vam nechovali zrovna nefer ale nemuzes mentalitu celeho naroda posuzovat z nekolika malo pripadu.
Ty same ideologie vladly Slovensku pres celou historii, a i presto co sem tady pronesl za sracky si nemyslim ze vetsina z vas by to opet prijala
@PJ3Life Je tazke teraz hovorit co by stalo so Slovenskom keby sem napochodovali Nemci. protektorat by sa nekonal, skor rozdelenie uzemi. Uzemne spory malo Cesko-Slovensko a neskor teda slovensko s polskom, madarskom a rakuskom (nemeckom). Dokonca je tazke to aj porovnavat kedze Slovaci boli do konca prvej svetovej sice narodne uvedomely a kulturne cinny ale stale pod vladou madarov a ostrej madarizacie.
@PJ3Life Tiso vnimal SNP ako komunisticky puc, comu aj zodpovedali jeho dalsie kroky. A pravda je aj to, ze slovensko bolo za prvej republiky na urovni zapadnej europy a nie len vdaka prudiacemu Nemeckemu kapitalu, ale aj schopnosti vtedjsej garnitury, napr. predsedu narodnej banky apod. Komunizmus priniesol obraovsky obrat. Ale na druhej strane ako politik urobil Tiso velke chyby aj ked obesenie bolo skor teatralnym ponizenim pomaly az naroda
@TheSlovakfan Trochu se tu ztracim v prekladu, mas na mysli vasi prvni republiku v 1939-45?
Podle me se na nas spis skopaci napakovali, nez aby nas nijak zvlast podporovali za okupace a obsazeni. Dyt i Ceskoslovenske tanky LT-38 si Wehrmacht vzal a pozdej prestavil na modernejsi verze.
Proto nemam vuci nim prilis kladny postoj at uz se to tyka toho ci onoho.
@PJ3Life Ja mam na neho svoj nazor, neidealizujuci, ale tiez ho snazim vnimat v dobe, v ktorej napriklad Horthy prijmal protizidovske zakony este skor ako samotne necisticke nemecko a podobne veci sa diali vo vacsine krajin okolo. Polsko takisto nebolo ziadnym barankom, ktory by bol vo vojen uplne nevinne. Poliaci napr. neustale vznasali uzene poziadavky voci ceskoslovensku a cast slovenska aj obsadili. V podstate bolo Slovensko obklopene agrasormi a do toho nemecky tlak.
@PJ3Life Suhlasim, ale v sucastnosti aj buducnosti nevidim vobec ziadnu prekazku ani nejaky konflikt nebodaj medzi nasimi narodmi prave naopak. Slovaci studuju v Cechach co sa teda tebe a niekomu mozno nepaci, ale aj to je vysledok blizkosti ako aj spolocneho europskeho priestoru. A je mozno pre CR prinosnejsie mat lekarov Slovakov, ktory rozumeju vsetkemu a doslovne ako napr, ukrajincov alebo albancov.
@PJ3Life Suhlas, to je jednoznacne najlespie riesenie. Ked sa jedna o nejake narodne povedomie vacsinou sa vyostri no. Ale je to skoda pretoze napriek vsetkemu si nemame asi vobec co vycitat a tie vztahy su stale nadstandartne. Aj ten film je v podstate o tom.
@PJ3Life No bolo pd vplyvom hnevu a nasranosti priznavam aj ja :) Za to sa tiez ospravedlnujem a vseobecne Slovaci vnimaju CR a Cechov velmi pozitivne a viem z vlastnej skusenosti, ze vo vacsine pripadov je to tak aj z druhej strany, co ma tesi. Netreba vytvarat problemy kde realne niesu.
@TheSlovakfan Hmm, zajimave, v tom jsme (nejspis bohuzel jedine) asi zajedno.
Nesouhlasil sem s podminkami deleni majetku v 89 a nepopiram ze dnesni vlada stoji za hovno (lepe receno) ale nesouhlasim s tvym porovnanim stalina a hitlera.
Ale jedno mi tady k tobe nesedni, proc nas vlastne tak nenavidis? Co ti udelal prumernej cech ze zakladas tolik casu ve virtualnim svete abys ho musel ponizit? :P
@PJ3Life Nie je to nenavist, ale ja osobne som proti obom extremom a teda diktatorskym rezimom. Nemam vsak nic proti nacionalizmu ani akejsi socialnej solidarite. Vadi mi skor len hrozrnny sovinizmus, potom tak aj reagujem. A nemyslim si, ze sme sa spod reparacii a prehratej vojny vyslobodili iba vdaka benesovi, to mi pride dost kratkozrake, aj pri Tisovom procese bol predsedajucim sudcom Daxner, ktory sa neskor po procese obesil. Takisto sa zabili aj svedok partizan, ktory proti nemu svedcil.
@TheSlovakfan Pokud je mi znamo tak Beneš byl schopen udelit Tisovi milost pokud by souhlasila vlada. Ta pritozene (pry vcetne Slovenske narodni strany) nesouhlasila tak se muselo stat co se stalo.
Mimochodem, spojeni statu bylo podepsano oboustranne a dokonce s vyssi mirou autonomie tykajici se vaseho statu.
Bohuzel pak se k moci dostali komunisti. Nepopiram ale ze vetsina z ceskych hlav take okazale ignorovala snahy o slovenskou samostatnost.
@PJ3Life Ano vtedy sa ostro proti milosti postavili najma komunisti a partizani,veduci (partizanov) neskor komunisti umucili. Je dost zaujimave sledovat ako skoncili ludia ktory sudili Tisa, takisto aj Benes neskoncil najslavnejsie, koministi ho dostali tam kam chceli. Ta autonomia vsak bola bohuzial tiez len podobna tej predmnichovskej, aj ked neskor vznikla federacia apod. treba povedat aj to kolko slovakov bolo v novovzniknutej CSSR vlade- jeden.
13.3.1939 o 18.00 Tisu prijal kancelár Hitler,rozhovor trval 75minút...Hitler Tisovi oznámil že sa rozhodol likvidovať "zvyšné Česko"(resttsechei) ale že jeho záujmy končia pri Karpatoch."Ak sa slovensko rozhodne pre samostatnosť,on je ochotný ho uznať.Ináč ho ponechá svojmu osudu"
Minister von Ribbentrop predložil "práve došlý"telegram,že Maďarsko koncentruje svoje vojsko smerom na slovenské hranice.Hitler opätovne zdôraznil,že slováci sa musia rohodnúť bleskurýchle....
Slovenští vojáci aktivně bojovali na straně Německa jak proti Polákům (armádní sbor Bernolák), tak proti Rusům (rychlá brigáda později divize a zajišťovací divize). Z nich se mimo jiné rekrutoval i J.Nálepka. Stačí se podívat do Wikipedie. Kdyby se Slováci zpětně nespojili s Čechy, patřilo by Slovensko k poraženým zemím osy a platilo válečné reparace jako ostatní...
Já mám Slováky rád. Ale stačí nezavírat oči před fakty. Slovensko bylo ve válce německým satelitem a slovenská klerofašistická vláda plnila německé příkazy. Dnes mají někteří její zasloužilí členové různě po Slovensku pomníky, mimo jiné i na náměsí SNP. Mimochodem Slovensko se oddělilo od ČSR jednostrannou deklarací již 14.3.1939. Čechy a Morava byly anektovány o den později.
všetkým ktorí nadávajú na Slovákov že sú fašisti odporúčam si niečo zistiť - Otto Smik, Nemecká, SNP, Ján Nálepka, Jozef Gabčík atď a nakoniec zistíte že sme MY urobili pre zničenie nacizmu VIAC ako VY.
Ja mám rád keď sa píše pravdivo a ver že kôli mne už boli vymazané aj slovenské videá propagujúce Slovenský štát.
Ľudia čo nadávajú na čehúňov by si mali niečo prečítať o pomoci v slovákom v povstaní roku 1848 ale aj bojoch o slovensko v roku 1919 keď češi vyhnali maďarské vojská. Nejaký zlý čechoslovakizmus ktorým tu operujú poniektorí ,toto nemôže prevýšiť :-)
T tom traileru je úplně stejně děje,jako v celým filmu. Na ten film se mi pěkně koukalo, protože mám ráda válečný filmy, ale přišlo mi to spíš jako dokument..
I don't see any Germans Maybe this is before the Germans came down to lend a hand to the Italians that were getting beaten by the English who had inferior numbers. The Germans held on for three years out numbered by about ten to one tank wise.
My pop was an AUSSIE rats of TOBRUK .. It just so happens that i had the privilege of serving on the grand ole girl HMAS TOBRUK in the ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY NAVY . Went to HAWAII to be part of exercise RIMPAC 2008
@jimsy73 Of course we fought there. Australians liked us, becouse we were like them. You are from Italia, so I will tell you that when italian soldiers were in the line of sight of polish soldiers usually they ignored them. We wanted to kill germans not you.
@lostinspace013 Don't talk shite, the guy that is shooting at you is the one you want to kill, doesn't bloody matter whether he likes sausages or pasta. Idiot.
@moomoo1337 I read about this.When Polish soldiers in Tobruk saw far away (not attacking) italian soldier,they ignored him.When they saw german - they fired all the weapon they had to kill him.
@moomoo1337 Well I sugest read some books about Tobruk. War sometimes is strange. Polish soldiers fought there beacouse Germany invaded and destroyed our country, killing about 7 milions of people. Italians ? We had nothing against them really. Italians ... well this war was not theirs. Maybe that's why Italian army fought so bad, they had no spirit to fight, no reason.
@lostinspace013 Maybe you should read a little about the Italian army, they weren't rubbish because they had no reason, they were just badly unprepared for war, if you don't have correct or sufficient equipment you can't do much when you're fighting. On your Polish Italian point, the US had nothing against the Germans at the start of WW2 but they fought them because they knew it was the right thing to do
@moomoo1337 Of course - italian army equipment was really bad, i know.This and no commitment to fight - this was main reason why they usually lose battles.US fought this war just becouse they knew Hitler wont be their friend after he win the war.But this is another story.
@lostinspace013 There were committed Italians, there were also ones who didn't want to be there. Same as anyone. They still shot at people though so why wouldn't Polish soldiers shoot them?
@moomoo1337 I can attest to this. I have a collection of Italian rifles and wartime ammunition. Of the cartridges I have, few have most are not the same overall length, the cases are different lengths, the crimp that holds the bullet in is crude by any standard. The bullets literally can be wobbled by hand!!! The M33 helmet was the best part of a Soldato's equipment by far.
@OldBobo83 : You dont have to make an apology to us for occupation. It was very clear it will happen. Many people in Czech republic adore your Solidarita. My uncle was in 1981 in Poland and was amazed by this.
@OldBobo83 : Its so hard to answer. Czechoslovakia had to take this black country, because we couldnt have existed withoutmineral resources(grizzle...etc.) And some part of Těšínsko(Zaolzie) wanted to be the component of the Czechoslovakia. I know the poles hated us because of taken Tesinsko. And in 1938 we were betrayed by western powers.And as far as I am concerned in 1968, you arent guilty....our fuckcommunist goverment invited you. have a nice day
@ThePribina jo?:D ve filmu mozna to nebyla ceskoslovenska armada ale uprchlici z ceska takovych par stovek vojaku kteri bojovali po boku britu a ti se fakt neproslavili...cesko nebylo pro silnou nemeckou armadu zadny orisek a slovensko stim jak jim lezlo doprdele a na konci valky rekli jak jsou najednou proti nacistum taky ne...
@ThePribina co se tyce toho tvrdeho orisku tak ta radoby ceskoslovenska armada kde uz bylo teda vic cechu nez slovaku by bez dalsich otevrenych front s Ruskem a USA dostala na prdel behem 2 dnu SS a wermachtu by se to rovnalo jako slon se lvem vs moucha.Ceskoslovensko udelalo naproti ruske a americke armade temer hovno,nj malo kdo zaseje ale kazdy by sklizel slavu co?po valce ted slovaci machruji.Lezli doprdele nemcum a kdyz vedeli ze konci tak najednou delali jak jdou proti nackum poserove
@Rfxy víc čechú než slováku ...podľa toho že kde. Napr.v SSSR paradesantná brigáda bola najmä slovenská. Ale nejde o to:-)
Celý wermacht by sa zosypal keby spojenci už v roku 1938 zautočili na nemecko. Pretože v tom čase a aj neskôr boli stavy nemeckej výzbroje len na papiery !
Československo keďže prakticky neexistovalo aj hovno mohlo urobiť. Pretože naši vojaci mohli bojovať až keď boli vyzbrojení inými štátmi!
@Rfxy "po valce ted slovaci machruji" ...lenže slováci boli ve válce krátko po rozbití ČSrepubliky Hitlerom. Ešte v roku 1938 sme mali vojenský konflikt s poľskom a v 1939 vojna z maďarskom! Žiadna okupácia zo sklonenou hlavou sa nekonala
Odboj na slovensku existoval od začiatku vojny -bol skutočný, takých Lidic bolo na slovensku vyše 50 !
Ano slováci nemuseli ísť proti náckúm...mohli kľudne čakať ,až prejde front. Lenže oni v Banskej Bystrici 1944 vyhlásili slobodnú ČS republiku !
@ThePribina Nepředstírej že ste byli nějací velcí bojovníci za svobodu a my ne. Takových hnutí bylo po česku spousta, jedním z nich dokonce Tři Králové a další. ;)
In 1941 The Rats of Tobruk held Tobruk since April and stubbornly defended the perimeter although they made several truces with Afrikan Korps to remove the dead and wounded ones back to their own lines. When the Aussies were replaced by Polish soldiers, the Poles kept to maintain truces to avoid the Germans to find out the changes despite of that Poles hated the Germans.
If my own country (Australia) had been invaded by another country then I would hate the invaders too.
My 2nd cousin married a polish man who was a young boy during WWII and the germans forced him to be slave labourer for them and mistreated him badly before he eventually escaped.
Josef never recovered fully from illnesses caused by his mistreatment and he suffered with them until the day he died.
If Poland is so blameless, why did it join with Hitler in dismembering Czechoslovakia?
Why did Poland, after the First World war, ignore the Right of Self-Determination for Germans in Silesia and Danzig when they voted to remain part of Germany?
Was it not Polish General Rydz-Smigly who in August 1939 said: "Poland wants war with Germany..."?
poland got a chunk of germany due to the treaty of versailes. germans didnt like this, especially hittler. the polish had it bad they where up against the germans and the russians
I salute you, Polishdude68. I've been "wrestling" on YouTube for ages and you're the first "adversary" to say something so perfectly reasonable to me.
I don't want anyone's country. The age of "gain" at the expense of other European nations is passed. The Germans of Silesia and the Danzig should've had their Self-Determination respected after WW1, but time has gone, so I'll let it be. We should now work together as we did in 1683 at Vienna.
@TheFirstApparition I dont know about working together like in 1683 Polish history states that Jan Sobieski, who came to the aid of Vienna due to a pact Poland had with Austria, after returning to Poland fell critically ill. This illness eventually led to his death and it is suspected, though not certain, that because of his jealousy of the greatness the Polish army showed in this battle the Austrian leader had our king poisoned. Mean while without our army Austria would have fallen.
@Escobarx69 That's quite a claim. Any proof? Other than "suspicion"? I'm kind of tired- after 65 years or so of claims and stories against German peoples including "soap, lampshades, shrunken heads", etc. I can see no reason why the Austrian kaiser would do such a thing out of "jealousy". Without proof, it sounds like slander you want to try to foment hatred between Germans and Poles. Why?
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS "the Germany"? Uh, the Versailles Treaty did take land away from Germany and put German civilians under Polish rule. Was that "fair"? If you're against "land grabbing", how do you feel about Poland seizing territory pre-war from Czechoslovakia (Teschen) after the 1938 Munich Conference? Many people suffered in Europe before, during and after the war. Germans were used as slave labor by the western Allies right after the war. Where's your objection?
Real and the first victim of WW2 was Czechoslovakia. We were betrayed by France and England and Poland too. Polish soldiers preoccupied the part of our country (Tesinsko)afther the Municht diktat and its OK ? Did France, England and Polish eventually Hungary feel any guilt or remorse ??
@janborrowitz the Czech had signed no treaties with any one that is why no body came to yr rescue, Poland & the U.K. were in agreement to defence to one another if came under invasion. the Czech's r fine ppl but a little bit silly to not sign a treaty...
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS To Tobruk the most greater part of the soldiers of Africa Korpses were Italian and it were to Italians that the English were surrendered... However all the armies' behavior in North Africa was correct and the prisoners were respected unlike what happened in Europe (only French didn't involve well). Then the General commander of Italians and the Germans Rommel was a good soldier and a German patriot to the point that I try to kill Hitler and dark hung
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS : I'll surprise you, but it isn't what we know. Actually, England asked Poland to hamper Germany on the Eastern border : they have killed thousands of German farmers. Later Hitler decided to invade Poland...the underground of the WWII is not to be known by anyone. Anyway, Germany was ready for war after the tirannial WWI sanctions. Polish soldiers ? Come on, let's be serious ! Read Jan van Helsing in Secret Organizations / Geheim Gesellschaften. For WWI read Balfour Declation.
@tjcash123 During both wars, America only shortened the war, Germans already started losing.Especially during II war.Land Lease - that was big help,true.But in 1944 ? Germany was on the RUN and red army was like fast train to the west.You invaded Europe just becouse you were afraid Russians would not stop at Berlin.
Poles bought bitterness and hatred to the germans, and if your country was invavded and occupied youd be the same mate, any Australian Tobruk digger will tell you mate the poles were very good soldiers with combat experience in 1939 and 1940, and many a times had a crack at pommy red caps helping out aussies at bar fights. Good mates at the end of the day who also enjoyed a pint or 2. The bond was so big that after the war a few hundread Polish Tobruk veterans ended up living in Australia ;-)
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VaucluseVanguard. I think your contribution to the debate is helpful and constructive - and I utterly agree with all points made.
And - lest we forget - Czeckoslovakia and Poland - about whom this string ostensibly is - lost a much greater part of their populations than Australia and the UK put together...not to mention 50 years' liberty.
I think it's also worth noting, seeing as you seem to be slighting uninformed.
The Australian 9th Divison remained in Tobruk untill the very end. They also were heavily involved in the "Tobruk breakout" where the 2/13th battalion earned the title of "The Fighting 13th" amongst the allies.
Er, that's one (very good) battalion. The rest of the 9th were withdrawn for well-earned rest and was replaced by a British Division (with strong Polish and Czech elements) which in turn distinguished itself. and broke out...No argument about Churchill, but - Bob Menzies? - As far as I'm aware, the 2/13th, the Northumberland Fusiliers and the Tobruk Tanks - plus some signals etc. people - were the only troops to stay through the whole siege...
Most of the Division remained in Tobruk up to the end of the Tobruk break out. Someone had to train the Polish on how it all worked there and the Australians knew it best, along with the Fusiliers. They taught the Poles how to patrol properly out on the line, the best defensive positions and how the German tactics worked. After that the Polish were pretty self sufficient, very good soldiers. But the problem with them is that they brought the hate to the Tobruk battle.
"After that the Polish were pretty self sufficient, very good soldiers. But the problem with them is that they brought the hate to the Tobruk battle."
And what we were suppose to bring, love and peace?
You don't understand the uniqueness of the Siege of Tobruk. When it came to the Australians and the Germans it was a war without hate. You would see on both sides of the conflict doctors from each nationality working on the wounded according to severity of their condition rather than race, without anyone guarding them. Australian and German medics working together.
In another account, a German Officer even prevented the meaningless death of some Australians.
Not my place to really say anything, I'm just stating the fact that the Polish brought the bitterness and hatred to the Siege of Tobruk. Before they came, it was merely soldiers doing their job, then it became a vengeance trip.
adeptrainer. Australia is a fairly young country without the long military history of the UK. Our contributions although perhaps small in the big picture, were pretty big to us. So we do tend to emphasize the few major campaigns (Gallipoli, Tobruk etc). This is generally not self publicity. Having said that I do find an unfortunate anti-British element in much of our popular history. I have read Fitzsimmons' books and heard him speak and he can be one of the worst purveyors of anti-British crap
There is a fair point to make about the British using the Aussies as cannon fodder though. Enough so that in WW2 Blamey had to make a clause that Australian troops would remain under Australian command. Lets face it WW1 was a disaster for the Australians, for the main reason that they were under British officers, who achieved their rank through social standing, not merit.
Mar8les. The head of the British Army for much of the first world war, Willi Roberts was a working class lad who joined the army as a private and became a Field Marshall purely on talent. General French, who initially commanded the BEF was from an average middle class family (father middle ranking RN officer). Most of the Army and Corps commanders from a similar background. If you look at their fathers professions, they were very similar to that of Australian generals of that time.
I'd just point out that the reviews on Fitzsimmons' book universally condemn offensively anti-British stance....I'd recommend Frank Harrison's excellent books- and he had the advantage of being present throughout the entirety of the siege...
I lived in Tobruk for five years (as a child) so I am naturally interested in it and read pretty much all that's been published - except Fitzsimmonds' book - I saw the reviews first .
You obviously haven't read the book then. Peter Fitzsimons was not Anti-British. He points out the extreme professionalism of the fighting forces from England in Tobruk. Especially that of the North English and the British Artillery Batteries.
He only points out FACT that most of the higher levels of British command including the Prime Minister were useless at this stage of the war and made many mistakes.
Leslie Morshead was charged to hold Tobruk for 2 months, he held it for 8.
.I've since discovered it's a Czech film - my mistake
On the subject of the Australian-led first half of the siege (with useful input from the Northumberland Fusiliers among others) - it's a great example of Aussie fortitude. Sadly the secondf half of the siege is largely forgotten, partly becase the Division involved (50th, I think) was tragically sent to Singapore and disappeared into captivity and death.
Ballarat, eh-Oddly, Gp. Cpt. Bell, 1960 C.O. of El Adem was from there too
I guess this film - which looks pretty good to me - is set in the milieu of the Polish Carpathian Brigade which - along with a Czech Battalion - formed part of the mainly British-led second half of the siege of Tobruk . This is the often-overlooked part of the siege which did not benefit from the obsessive self-publicity of the Australians (who had mosatly left by then).
Obsessive self-publicity? We take credit for what is earned mate. A large majority of the siege of Tobruk was credited to the Australians, New Zealanders and the British lead by an AUSTRALIAN. And the rest of the siege would of been mostly Australian if not for the Japanese knocking at our door.
I find that offensive, obsessive self-publicity? Tobruk was mainly an Australian, New Zealander, Indian and British battle. Leslie Morshead, the genius who spearheaded the defense of Tobruk was Australian. The Australians were the bulk of the frontline troops in the delicate opening months of the siege. They were hard bastards, and you should at least show some respect.
(This is all referenced from the book "Tobruk" by Peter Fitzsimmons.
neco vam reknu jeto dobry dost nato ze to natocili cesi ale aj dost brutalni jak se umiva ten chlapik a padne tam bomba a utrhne mu to nohi on se tam jeste plazi tak to je brutus
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TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@TheSlovakfan VSECHNY staty kolaborovali. Cesi, Slovasi, Madaru hlavne nebo dokonce Holandani a Frantici.
Nikdy jsem nepoprel ze byli i mezi nama, prijde mi naprosto zcestne jak se me nebo jine cechy snazis pomalovat tou nacistikou barvou. Prid nekdy do Prahy, sam uvidis ze krajni pravice nebo levice je VELMI opovrhovana.
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life To mozno ano, praveze nejde o otvoreny nacizmus alebo komunizmus ale o skrytu formu kde sa vyuzivaju prave tie dane vyhody a v pravy moment sa obrati kabat, ale taky politici su vsade a vsetko treba posudzovat aj vo svetle okolnosti, nikto na slovensku okrem tuku a radikalov sa asi tazko chcel sa stat satelitom nemcov,nebodaj nacistom. Tiso je kontroverzny tkisto ako benes co vystahoval nemcov aj madarov, vela z nich zahynulo..to je asi nadlhsiu dbatu
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Aj tu na youtube je video o slovenskom state kde cesky historici hovoria o tom ako slovaci moc na vyber nemali a nepomohlo tomu ani to, ze cesi im nechceli dat vacsiu autonomiu, ktora bolu slubena v pittsburgskej dohode a homolov puc a takychto akcii bolo viac. Alebo Benesove legendarne Tiso musi viset, to mi pride pomaly ako monsterprocesy, kde vysledok je jasny pred riadnym sudom.
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@TheSlovakfan Tisuv proces byl sam kontroverzni, ale na druhou stranu byl zase otevren sympatizant a dokonce posilal Hitlerovi "dekovny dopis" za potlaceni SNP. Hnus.
To mi stale ale nevysvetluje tvoji nenavist. Ano, Cesi se, budme uprimni k vam nechovali zrovna nefer ale nemuzes mentalitu celeho naroda posuzovat z nekolika malo pripadu.
Ty same ideologie vladly Slovensku pres celou historii, a i presto co sem tady pronesl za sracky si nemyslim ze vetsina z vas by to opet prijala
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Je tazke teraz hovorit co by stalo so Slovenskom keby sem napochodovali Nemci. protektorat by sa nekonal, skor rozdelenie uzemi. Uzemne spory malo Cesko-Slovensko a neskor teda slovensko s polskom, madarskom a rakuskom (nemeckom). Dokonca je tazke to aj porovnavat kedze Slovaci boli do konca prvej svetovej sice narodne uvedomely a kulturne cinny ale stale pod vladou madarov a ostrej madarizacie.
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Tiso vnimal SNP ako komunisticky puc, comu aj zodpovedali jeho dalsie kroky. A pravda je aj to, ze slovensko bolo za prvej republiky na urovni zapadnej europy a nie len vdaka prudiacemu Nemeckemu kapitalu, ale aj schopnosti vtedjsej garnitury, napr. predsedu narodnej banky apod. Komunizmus priniesol obraovsky obrat. Ale na druhej strane ako politik urobil Tiso velke chyby aj ked obesenie bolo skor teatralnym ponizenim pomaly az naroda
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@TheSlovakfan Trochu se tu ztracim v prekladu, mas na mysli vasi prvni republiku v 1939-45?
Podle me se na nas spis skopaci napakovali, nez aby nas nijak zvlast podporovali za okupace a obsazeni. Dyt i Ceskoslovenske tanky LT-38 si Wehrmacht vzal a pozdej prestavil na modernejsi verze.
Proto nemam vuci nim prilis kladny postoj at uz se to tyka toho ci onoho.
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Ja mam na neho svoj nazor, neidealizujuci, ale tiez ho snazim vnimat v dobe, v ktorej napriklad Horthy prijmal protizidovske zakony este skor ako samotne necisticke nemecko a podobne veci sa diali vo vacsine krajin okolo. Polsko takisto nebolo ziadnym barankom, ktory by bol vo vojen uplne nevinne. Poliaci napr. neustale vznasali uzene poziadavky voci ceskoslovensku a cast slovenska aj obsadili. V podstate bolo Slovensko obklopene agrasormi a do toho nemecky tlak.
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@TheSlovakfan Vim o polacich. Take sem nekde se nekde dozvedel ze pri okupaci si take utrhli nejake to uzemi od vas/nas.
Na druhou stranu si taky myslim ze se porad zaobirat minulosti je nanic, jde jen se z ni poucit nez se o ni porad otirat.
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Suhlasim, ale v sucastnosti aj buducnosti nevidim vobec ziadnu prekazku ani nejaky konflikt nebodaj medzi nasimi narodmi prave naopak. Slovaci studuju v Cechach co sa teda tebe a niekomu mozno nepaci, ale aj to je vysledok blizkosti ako aj spolocneho europskeho priestoru. A je mozno pre CR prinosnejsie mat lekarov Slovakov, ktory rozumeju vsetkemu a doslovne ako napr, ukrajincov alebo albancov.
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@TheSlovakfan Musim jen poznamenat ze bys mel brat ty me blafy ohledne imigrantech s rezervou protoze jsem je psal v ponekud agresivnejsi nalade ;)
Pokud jde o to, za ty kraviny hodne 13-letyho decka behem tech 3 dnu se omlouvam.
Myslim ze smazani tech prispevku by bylo nejlepsim resenim? Preci jen by si nikdo nechtel cist na video o Tobruku jak si dva lidi nadavaji do hoven :P
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Suhlas, to je jednoznacne najlespie riesenie. Ked sa jedna o nejake narodne povedomie vacsinou sa vyostri no. Ale je to skoda pretoze napriek vsetkemu si nemame asi vobec co vycitat a tie vztahy su stale nadstandartne. Aj ten film je v podstate o tom.
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life No bolo pd vplyvom hnevu a nasranosti priznavam aj ja :) Za to sa tiez ospravedlnujem a vseobecne Slovaci vnimaju CR a Cechov velmi pozitivne a viem z vlastnej skusenosti, ze vo vacsine pripadov je to tak aj z druhej strany, co ma tesi. Netreba vytvarat problemy kde realne niesu.
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@TheSlovakfan Hmm, zajimave, v tom jsme (nejspis bohuzel jedine) asi zajedno.
Nesouhlasil sem s podminkami deleni majetku v 89 a nepopiram ze dnesni vlada stoji za hovno (lepe receno) ale nesouhlasim s tvym porovnanim stalina a hitlera.
Ale jedno mi tady k tobe nesedni, proc nas vlastne tak nenavidis? Co ti udelal prumernej cech ze zakladas tolik casu ve virtualnim svete abys ho musel ponizit? :P
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Nie je to nenavist, ale ja osobne som proti obom extremom a teda diktatorskym rezimom. Nemam vsak nic proti nacionalizmu ani akejsi socialnej solidarite. Vadi mi skor len hrozrnny sovinizmus, potom tak aj reagujem. A nemyslim si, ze sme sa spod reparacii a prehratej vojny vyslobodili iba vdaka benesovi, to mi pride dost kratkozrake, aj pri Tisovom procese bol predsedajucim sudcom Daxner, ktory sa neskor po procese obesil. Takisto sa zabili aj svedok partizan, ktory proti nemu svedcil.
TheSlovakfan 2 weeks ago
@TheSlovakfan Pokud je mi znamo tak Beneš byl schopen udelit Tisovi milost pokud by souhlasila vlada. Ta pritozene (pry vcetne Slovenske narodni strany) nesouhlasila tak se muselo stat co se stalo.
Mimochodem, spojeni statu bylo podepsano oboustranne a dokonce s vyssi mirou autonomie tykajici se vaseho statu.
Bohuzel pak se k moci dostali komunisti. Nepopiram ale ze vetsina z ceskych hlav take okazale ignorovala snahy o slovenskou samostatnost.
PJ3Life 2 weeks ago
@PJ3Life Ano vtedy sa ostro proti milosti postavili najma komunisti a partizani,veduci (partizanov) neskor komunisti umucili. Je dost zaujimave sledovat ako skoncili ludia ktory sudili Tisa, takisto aj Benes neskoncil najslavnejsie, koministi ho dostali tam kam chceli. Ta autonomia vsak bola bohuzial tiez len podobna tej predmnichovskej, aj ked neskor vznikla federacia apod. treba povedat aj to kolko slovakov bolo v novovzniknutej CSSR vlade- jeden.
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@8Risko8 Závidět vám? Ses asi posral ne?
Doslova ste Němcům kouřili ptáky když ste se od nás trhly. A propó, vy ste dokonce fašounům sami otevřeli dveře.
Tak tu laskavě nemel chujoviny, hlupče.
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13.3.1939 o 18.00 Tisu prijal kancelár Hitler,rozhovor trval 75minút...Hitler Tisovi oznámil že sa rozhodol likvidovať "zvyšné Česko"(resttsechei) ale že jeho záujmy končia pri Karpatoch."Ak sa slovensko rozhodne pre samostatnosť,on je ochotný ho uznať.Ináč ho ponechá svojmu osudu"
Minister von Ribbentrop predložil "práve došlý"telegram,že Maďarsko koncentruje svoje vojsko smerom na slovenské hranice.Hitler opätovne zdôraznil,že slováci sa musia rohodnúť bleskurýchle....
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WolfhoundMercenary 1 month ago
upnite sem ten film niekto, je to fakt vydarený vojnový film rovnako ako tmavomodrý svět
Sefco26 1 month ago
A very good war movie ... in fact surprisingly good. Not the typical shit from Hollywood.
CapKorzeniowski 2 months ago
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Slovenští vojáci aktivně bojovali na straně Německa jak proti Polákům (armádní sbor Bernolák), tak proti Rusům (rychlá brigáda později divize a zajišťovací divize). Z nich se mimo jiné rekrutoval i J.Nálepka. Stačí se podívat do Wikipedie. Kdyby se Slováci zpětně nespojili s Čechy, patřilo by Slovensko k poraženým zemím osy a platilo válečné reparace jako ostatní...
mrakoslap50 5 months ago
Já mám Slováky rád. Ale stačí nezavírat oči před fakty. Slovensko bylo ve válce německým satelitem a slovenská klerofašistická vláda plnila německé příkazy. Dnes mají někteří její zasloužilí členové různě po Slovensku pomníky, mimo jiné i na náměsí SNP. Mimochodem Slovensko se oddělilo od ČSR jednostrannou deklarací již 14.3.1939. Čechy a Morava byly anektovány o den později.
mrakoslap50 5 months ago
všetkým ktorí nadávajú na Slovákov že sú fašisti odporúčam si niečo zistiť - Otto Smik, Nemecká, SNP, Ján Nálepka, Jozef Gabčík atď a nakoniec zistíte že sme MY urobili pre zničenie nacizmu VIAC ako VY.
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@robo1945 Opravdu? A co takhle generál Svoboda? Kubiš? Josef Buršík? Otakar Jaroš?
Tři Králové? Balabán? Morávek?
Pokud tu budeš blít ty svoje anti-české chujoviny tak si napřed ověř fakta. Lidi jako ty sou důvod proč je taková rivalita mezi námi.
WolfhoundMercenary 1 month ago
@WolfhoundMercenary overil a máš pravdu ale over si aj ty
robo1945 1 month ago
@WolfhoundMercenary chlapče nemáš základné vedomosti o histórii a chceš diskutovať
ThePribina 1 month ago
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@ThePribina Diskutovat s kým? S člověkem kterej na nás porád plive a svádí na "čehúny" všechno zlé co se událo (teď neukazuju nutně na tebe)?
Já proti vám nic nemám, dokonce má přítelkyně je ze Slovenska, ale nehorázně mě sere když tu vidím xindly co se do nás porád naváží.
Nikdo vám neupírá zásluhy v 2. světové válce (ano, vím o česko-SLOVENSKÝCH vojácích v zahraničí co se uplatnili), tak tu laskavě nedělejte bordel.
WolfhoundMercenary 1 month ago
@WolfhoundMercenary pozri ja nemám problém nazvať ťa "bratře" .
Ja mám rád keď sa píše pravdivo a ver že kôli mne už boli vymazané aj slovenské videá propagujúce Slovenský štát.
Ľudia čo nadávajú na čehúňov by si mali niečo prečítať o pomoci v slovákom v povstaní roku 1848 ale aj bojoch o slovensko v roku 1919 keď češi vyhnali maďarské vojská. Nejaký zlý čechoslovakizmus ktorým tu operujú poniektorí ,toto nemôže prevýšiť :-)
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@ThePribina Máš samozřejmě pravdu. Idioti se najdou na obou stranách, tak už to holt bývá.
Předem se omlouvám pokud jsem tě nějak urazil, to spíš bylo míněno na extremisty, a ne normálně smýšlející Slovenské bratry ;)
WolfhoundMercenary 1 month ago
T tom traileru je úplně stejně děje,jako v celým filmu. Na ten film se mi pěkně koukalo, protože mám ráda válečný filmy, ale přišlo mi to spíš jako dokument..
krysap 5 months ago
a good shocking recently made desert war movie.....now this is the saving private ryan of the desert.
panzerfile63 9 months ago
Is this in polish :P?
froseo9 1 year ago
@froseo9 no, czech
ppetrnosek 11 months ago
@froseo9 in czech and slovak
ThePribina 11 months ago
@froseo9 lol slovak and czech, what a stereotype you are.
robo1945 6 months ago
@robo1945 ahahahahahahhahaha, i guesss you can say that ;)
froseo9 6 months ago
I don't see any Germans Maybe this is before the Germans came down to lend a hand to the Italians that were getting beaten by the English who had inferior numbers. The Germans held on for three years out numbered by about ten to one tank wise.
IIJG27Rich 1 year ago
@IIJG27Rich In North Africa
IIJG27Rich 1 year ago
ENGLISH
jamscon13 1 year ago
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A very good movie!
Savarli 1 year ago
hahaha 0:50 "i have a dildo"
MephedroneMonster 1 year ago 2
this is actually a really good movie, ending is kind of annoying though.
Potat0eMasher 1 year ago
My pop was an AUSSIE rats of TOBRUK .. It just so happens that i had the privilege of serving on the grand ole girl HMAS TOBRUK in the ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY NAVY . Went to HAWAII to be part of exercise RIMPAC 2008
polly326 1 year ago
Were there polish soldiers among allied troops in North Africa? I didn't know that...
jimsy73 1 year ago
@jimsy73 Of course we fought there. Australians liked us, becouse we were like them. You are from Italia, so I will tell you that when italian soldiers were in the line of sight of polish soldiers usually they ignored them. We wanted to kill germans not you.
lostinspace013 1 year ago
@lostinspace013 Don't talk shite, the guy that is shooting at you is the one you want to kill, doesn't bloody matter whether he likes sausages or pasta. Idiot.
moomoo1337 1 year ago
@moomoo1337 Clearly you don't understand what i'm saying.
lostinspace013 1 year ago
@lostinspace013 Clearly you don't know what you are saying. As I said before, if the guy is shooting at you, why would you ignore him?
moomoo1337 1 year ago
@moomoo1337 I read about this.When Polish soldiers in Tobruk saw far away (not attacking) italian soldier,they ignored him.When they saw german - they fired all the weapon they had to kill him.
lostinspace013 1 year ago
@lostinspace013 I don't think that is true, doesn't make any sense
moomoo1337 1 year ago
@moomoo1337 Well I sugest read some books about Tobruk. War sometimes is strange. Polish soldiers fought there beacouse Germany invaded and destroyed our country, killing about 7 milions of people. Italians ? We had nothing against them really. Italians ... well this war was not theirs. Maybe that's why Italian army fought so bad, they had no spirit to fight, no reason.
lostinspace013 1 year ago
@lostinspace013 Maybe you should read a little about the Italian army, they weren't rubbish because they had no reason, they were just badly unprepared for war, if you don't have correct or sufficient equipment you can't do much when you're fighting. On your Polish Italian point, the US had nothing against the Germans at the start of WW2 but they fought them because they knew it was the right thing to do
moomoo1337 1 year ago
@moomoo1337 Of course - italian army equipment was really bad, i know.This and no commitment to fight - this was main reason why they usually lose battles.US fought this war just becouse they knew Hitler wont be their friend after he win the war.But this is another story.
lostinspace013 1 year ago
@lostinspace013 There were committed Italians, there were also ones who didn't want to be there. Same as anyone. They still shot at people though so why wouldn't Polish soldiers shoot them?
moomoo1337 1 year ago
@moomoo1337 I can attest to this. I have a collection of Italian rifles and wartime ammunition. Of the cartridges I have, few have most are not the same overall length, the cases are different lengths, the crimp that holds the bullet in is crude by any standard. The bullets literally can be wobbled by hand!!! The M33 helmet was the best part of a Soldato's equipment by far.
1985typ944 1 year ago
@OldBobo83 : You dont have to make an apology to us for occupation. It was very clear it will happen. Many people in Czech republic adore your Solidarita. My uncle was in 1981 in Poland and was amazed by this.
janborrowitz 1 year ago
@OldBobo83 : Its so hard to answer. Czechoslovakia had to take this black country, because we couldnt have existed withoutmineral resources(grizzle...etc.) And some part of Těšínsko(Zaolzie) wanted to be the component of the Czechoslovakia. I know the poles hated us because of taken Tesinsko. And in 1938 we were betrayed by western powers.And as far as I am concerned in 1968, you arent guilty....our fuckcommunist goverment invited you. have a nice day
janborrowitz 1 year ago
Skvelý film ! žiadny bezduchý krvák.
Československá armáda bola tvrdým protivníkom pre nacistov :-)
ThePribina 1 year ago
@ThePribina jo?:D ve filmu mozna to nebyla ceskoslovenska armada ale uprchlici z ceska takovych par stovek vojaku kteri bojovali po boku britu a ti se fakt neproslavili...cesko nebylo pro silnou nemeckou armadu zadny orisek a slovensko stim jak jim lezlo doprdele a na konci valky rekli jak jsou najednou proti nacistum taky ne...
Rfxy 5 months ago
@Rfxy si nevzdelaný ,preto píšeš chujoviny !
Československé jednotky bojovali v Poľsku,Francúzku,Británii,SSSR,Afrike a nakoniec aj na slovensku a v čechách =žiadnych pár stoviek vojakov!
Nemcom liezli do prdele hlavne Maďari ,Poliaci a nakoniec aj Francúzi a Briti keď ČS republiku darovali Hitlerovi!
Slovenský štát bol iba následkom tejto politiky - určite nevieš že morava nedostala povolenie od Hitlera aby sa pripojila k slovensku !
ThePribina 5 months ago
@ThePribina co se tyce toho tvrdeho orisku tak ta radoby ceskoslovenska armada kde uz bylo teda vic cechu nez slovaku by bez dalsich otevrenych front s Ruskem a USA dostala na prdel behem 2 dnu SS a wermachtu by se to rovnalo jako slon se lvem vs moucha.Ceskoslovensko udelalo naproti ruske a americke armade temer hovno,nj malo kdo zaseje ale kazdy by sklizel slavu co?po valce ted slovaci machruji.Lezli doprdele nemcum a kdyz vedeli ze konci tak najednou delali jak jdou proti nackum poserove
Rfxy 5 months ago
@Rfxy víc čechú než slováku ...podľa toho že kde. Napr.v SSSR paradesantná brigáda bola najmä slovenská. Ale nejde o to:-)
Celý wermacht by sa zosypal keby spojenci už v roku 1938 zautočili na nemecko. Pretože v tom čase a aj neskôr boli stavy nemeckej výzbroje len na papiery !
Československo keďže prakticky neexistovalo aj hovno mohlo urobiť. Pretože naši vojaci mohli bojovať až keď boli vyzbrojení inými štátmi!
Prečítaj si knihu "Povinnost nade vše" :-)
ThePribina 5 months ago
@Rfxy "po valce ted slovaci machruji" ...lenže slováci boli ve válce krátko po rozbití ČSrepubliky Hitlerom. Ešte v roku 1938 sme mali vojenský konflikt s poľskom a v 1939 vojna z maďarskom! Žiadna okupácia zo sklonenou hlavou sa nekonala
Odboj na slovensku existoval od začiatku vojny -bol skutočný, takých Lidic bolo na slovensku vyše 50 !
Ano slováci nemuseli ísť proti náckúm...mohli kľudne čakať ,až prejde front. Lenže oni v Banskej Bystrici 1944 vyhlásili slobodnú ČS republiku !
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@ThePribina Nepředstírej že ste byli nějací velcí bojovníci za svobodu a my ne. Takových hnutí bylo po česku spousta, jedním z nich dokonce Tři Králové a další. ;)
WolfhoundMercenary 1 month ago
In 1941 The Rats of Tobruk held Tobruk since April and stubbornly defended the perimeter although they made several truces with Afrikan Korps to remove the dead and wounded ones back to their own lines. When the Aussies were replaced by Polish soldiers, the Poles kept to maintain truces to avoid the Germans to find out the changes despite of that Poles hated the Germans.
deaftvaussie 1 year ago
A big part of the uk prisoners of tobruk were killed by RAF that has bombing an italian hospital whitw ship.
GrandeurFrancaise 1 year ago 2
Bad movie :O
Osiwaw 1 year ago
@Osiwaw more like you did not understand the movie right?
OspreyCZ 1 year ago
good or vad movie?
Juuhemmo 1 year ago
@Juuhemmo good :P
OspreyCZ 1 year ago
The Germany started the conflict not Poland.
If my own country (Australia) had been invaded by another country then I would hate the invaders too.
My 2nd cousin married a polish man who was a young boy during WWII and the germans forced him to be slave labourer for them and mistreated him badly before he eventually escaped.
Josef never recovered fully from illnesses caused by his mistreatment and he suffered with them until the day he died.
Poland, I salute you and your brave soldiers.
AUSSIEDAVEROCKS 2 years ago 2
If Poland is so blameless, why did it join with Hitler in dismembering Czechoslovakia?
Why did Poland, after the First World war, ignore the Right of Self-Determination for Germans in Silesia and Danzig when they voted to remain part of Germany?
Was it not Polish General Rydz-Smigly who in August 1939 said: "Poland wants war with Germany..."?
TheFirstApparition 2 years ago
poland got a chunk of germany due to the treaty of versailes. germans didnt like this, especially hittler. the polish had it bad they where up against the germans and the russians
TheSzemelak 1 year ago 2
@TheFirstApparition im sure you wouldnt like it if a country tried to take part of yours.
Polishdude68 1 year ago
I salute you, Polishdude68. I've been "wrestling" on YouTube for ages and you're the first "adversary" to say something so perfectly reasonable to me.
I don't want anyone's country. The age of "gain" at the expense of other European nations is passed. The Germans of Silesia and the Danzig should've had their Self-Determination respected after WW1, but time has gone, so I'll let it be. We should now work together as we did in 1683 at Vienna.
TheFirstApparition 1 year ago
@TheFirstApparition I dont know about working together like in 1683 Polish history states that Jan Sobieski, who came to the aid of Vienna due to a pact Poland had with Austria, after returning to Poland fell critically ill. This illness eventually led to his death and it is suspected, though not certain, that because of his jealousy of the greatness the Polish army showed in this battle the Austrian leader had our king poisoned. Mean while without our army Austria would have fallen.
Escobarx69 1 year ago
@Escobarx69 That's quite a claim. Any proof? Other than "suspicion"? I'm kind of tired- after 65 years or so of claims and stories against German peoples including "soap, lampshades, shrunken heads", etc. I can see no reason why the Austrian kaiser would do such a thing out of "jealousy". Without proof, it sounds like slander you want to try to foment hatred between Germans and Poles. Why?
TheFirstApparition 1 year ago
¿Brave soldiers? lol
Johan0791 1 year ago
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS "the Germany"? Uh, the Versailles Treaty did take land away from Germany and put German civilians under Polish rule. Was that "fair"? If you're against "land grabbing", how do you feel about Poland seizing territory pre-war from Czechoslovakia (Teschen) after the 1938 Munich Conference? Many people suffered in Europe before, during and after the war. Germans were used as slave labor by the western Allies right after the war. Where's your objection?
TheFirstApparition 1 year ago
Real and the first victim of WW2 was Czechoslovakia. We were betrayed by France and England and Poland too. Polish soldiers preoccupied the part of our country (Tesinsko)afther the Municht diktat and its OK ? Did France, England and Polish eventually Hungary feel any guilt or remorse ??
janborrowitz 1 year ago
@janborrowitz the Czech had signed no treaties with any one that is why no body came to yr rescue, Poland & the U.K. were in agreement to defence to one another if came under invasion. the Czech's r fine ppl but a little bit silly to not sign a treaty...
mobscene111 1 year ago
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS To Tobruk the most greater part of the soldiers of Africa Korpses were Italian and it were to Italians that the English were surrendered... However all the armies' behavior in North Africa was correct and the prisoners were respected unlike what happened in Europe (only French didn't involve well). Then the General commander of Italians and the Germans Rommel was a good soldier and a German patriot to the point that I try to kill Hitler and dark hung
normannodelsud 1 year ago
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS : I'll surprise you, but it isn't what we know. Actually, England asked Poland to hamper Germany on the Eastern border : they have killed thousands of German farmers. Later Hitler decided to invade Poland...the underground of the WWII is not to be known by anyone. Anyway, Germany was ready for war after the tirannial WWI sanctions. Polish soldiers ? Come on, let's be serious ! Read Jan van Helsing in Secret Organizations / Geheim Gesellschaften. For WWI read Balfour Declation.
RIGHTWORD8 1 year ago
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS where are you from?
kamilusiek69 1 year ago
@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS id solute the USA because Germany would be the all mighty ruler without us not once but twice
tjcash123 1 year ago
@tjcash123 During both wars, America only shortened the war, Germans already started losing.Especially during II war.Land Lease - that was big help,true.But in 1944 ? Germany was on the RUN and red army was like fast train to the west.You invaded Europe just becouse you were afraid Russians would not stop at Berlin.
lostinspace013 1 year ago
this film about czechoslovak soldiers
CrazyBoss89 2 years ago 2
Poles bought bitterness and hatred to the germans, and if your country was invavded and occupied youd be the same mate, any Australian Tobruk digger will tell you mate the poles were very good soldiers with combat experience in 1939 and 1940, and many a times had a crack at pommy red caps helping out aussies at bar fights. Good mates at the end of the day who also enjoyed a pint or 2. The bond was so big that after the war a few hundread Polish Tobruk veterans ended up living in Australia ;-)
piechota1939 2 years ago 2
1700 czechoslovak soldiers in tobruk
pravda vitezi
CrazyBoss89 2 years ago
tobruk is my city i love it so mush
00218925804369 2 years ago
Where can I get hold of this movie?
biltongbru 2 years ago
I wanna know to!
EinundzwanzigPanzer 2 years ago
wer can i watch this
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AdrianAwesome69 2 years ago
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Irmatin 2 years ago
VaucluseVanguard. I think your contribution to the debate is helpful and constructive - and I utterly agree with all points made.
And - lest we forget - Czeckoslovakia and Poland - about whom this string ostensibly is - lost a much greater part of their populations than Australia and the UK put together...not to mention 50 years' liberty.
adeptrainer 2 years ago 2
I think it's also worth noting, seeing as you seem to be slighting uninformed.
The Australian 9th Divison remained in Tobruk untill the very end. They also were heavily involved in the "Tobruk breakout" where the 2/13th battalion earned the title of "The Fighting 13th" amongst the allies.
DivineHardOn 2 years ago
Er, that's one (very good) battalion. The rest of the 9th were withdrawn for well-earned rest and was replaced by a British Division (with strong Polish and Czech elements) which in turn distinguished itself. and broke out...No argument about Churchill, but - Bob Menzies? - As far as I'm aware, the 2/13th, the Northumberland Fusiliers and the Tobruk Tanks - plus some signals etc. people - were the only troops to stay through the whole siege...
adeptrainer 2 years ago
Most of the Division remained in Tobruk up to the end of the Tobruk break out. Someone had to train the Polish on how it all worked there and the Australians knew it best, along with the Fusiliers. They taught the Poles how to patrol properly out on the line, the best defensive positions and how the German tactics worked. After that the Polish were pretty self sufficient, very good soldiers. But the problem with them is that they brought the hate to the Tobruk battle.
DivineHardOn 2 years ago
"After that the Polish were pretty self sufficient, very good soldiers. But the problem with them is that they brought the hate to the Tobruk battle."
And what we were suppose to bring, love and peace?
xxeb4sgxx 2 years ago
@xxeb4sgxx
You don't understand the uniqueness of the Siege of Tobruk. When it came to the Australians and the Germans it was a war without hate. You would see on both sides of the conflict doctors from each nationality working on the wounded according to severity of their condition rather than race, without anyone guarding them. Australian and German medics working together.
In another account, a German Officer even prevented the meaningless death of some Australians.
Polish screwed that up.
DivineHardOn 2 years ago
@DivineHardOn
"Polish screwed that up."
Germans screwed that up when they invaded us, bombed our cities, built concentration camps and bagan the mass executions of our civilians.
xxeb4sgxx 2 years ago 2
@xxeb4sgxx
Not my place to really say anything, I'm just stating the fact that the Polish brought the bitterness and hatred to the Siege of Tobruk. Before they came, it was merely soldiers doing their job, then it became a vengeance trip.
DivineHardOn 2 years ago 2
you are so right dude
mynamespoppa 2 years ago
adeptrainer. Australia is a fairly young country without the long military history of the UK. Our contributions although perhaps small in the big picture, were pretty big to us. So we do tend to emphasize the few major campaigns (Gallipoli, Tobruk etc). This is generally not self publicity. Having said that I do find an unfortunate anti-British element in much of our popular history. I have read Fitzsimmons' books and heard him speak and he can be one of the worst purveyors of anti-British crap
VaucluseVanguard 2 years ago 2
There is a fair point to make about the British using the Aussies as cannon fodder though. Enough so that in WW2 Blamey had to make a clause that Australian troops would remain under Australian command. Lets face it WW1 was a disaster for the Australians, for the main reason that they were under British officers, who achieved their rank through social standing, not merit.
mar8les 2 years ago
Mar8les. The head of the British Army for much of the first world war, Willi Roberts was a working class lad who joined the army as a private and became a Field Marshall purely on talent. General French, who initially commanded the BEF was from an average middle class family (father middle ranking RN officer). Most of the Army and Corps commanders from a similar background. If you look at their fathers professions, they were very similar to that of Australian generals of that time.
VaucluseVanguard 2 years ago 2
Thats a fair point. The quality of alot of the British officers was terrible though, reminds of the old saying, lions led by donkeys.
mar8les 2 years ago
I'd just point out that the reviews on Fitzsimmons' book universally condemn offensively anti-British stance....I'd recommend Frank Harrison's excellent books- and he had the advantage of being present throughout the entirety of the siege...
I lived in Tobruk for five years (as a child) so I am naturally interested in it and read pretty much all that's been published - except Fitzsimmonds' book - I saw the reviews first .
adeptrainer 2 years ago
You obviously haven't read the book then. Peter Fitzsimons was not Anti-British. He points out the extreme professionalism of the fighting forces from England in Tobruk. Especially that of the North English and the British Artillery Batteries.
He only points out FACT that most of the higher levels of British command including the Prime Minister were useless at this stage of the war and made many mistakes.
Leslie Morshead was charged to hold Tobruk for 2 months, he held it for 8.
DivineHardOn 2 years ago
i have just finished reading that book how fucking good is it hey i could not put it down.
mynamespoppa 2 years ago
hooray for Czechs and Polaks :-)
LittleToyGunsRicardo 2 years ago
.I've since discovered it's a Czech film - my mistake
On the subject of the Australian-led first half of the siege (with useful input from the Northumberland Fusiliers among others) - it's a great example of Aussie fortitude. Sadly the secondf half of the siege is largely forgotten, partly becase the Division involved (50th, I think) was tragically sent to Singapore and disappeared into captivity and death.
Ballarat, eh-Oddly, Gp. Cpt. Bell, 1960 C.O. of El Adem was from there too
adeptrainer 2 years ago
Always appreciate the contribution of the Czechs and the Poles. Well done fellas.
wattlebough 2 years ago 2
I guess this film - which looks pretty good to me - is set in the milieu of the Polish Carpathian Brigade which - along with a Czech Battalion - formed part of the mainly British-led second half of the siege of Tobruk . This is the often-overlooked part of the siege which did not benefit from the obsessive self-publicity of the Australians (who had mosatly left by then).
adeptrainer 2 years ago 2
never the less you still can't over look at the contribution the Australians had in Tobruk, and can't forget the Scotsman who led the Australians
mobscene111 2 years ago
You mean Leslie Morsehead (Ming the Merciless)? The Victorian Aussie veteran of Gallipoli and the Western Front from Ballarat?
wattlebough 2 years ago
Obsessive self-publicity? We take credit for what is earned mate. A large majority of the siege of Tobruk was credited to the Australians, New Zealanders and the British lead by an AUSTRALIAN. And the rest of the siege would of been mostly Australian if not for the Japanese knocking at our door.
yourarando 2 years ago
I find that offensive, obsessive self-publicity? Tobruk was mainly an Australian, New Zealander, Indian and British battle. Leslie Morshead, the genius who spearheaded the defense of Tobruk was Australian. The Australians were the bulk of the frontline troops in the delicate opening months of the siege. They were hard bastards, and you should at least show some respect.
(This is all referenced from the book "Tobruk" by Peter Fitzsimmons.
DivineHardOn 2 years ago
naprosto bezkonkurenční, super!!!
RCruella 2 years ago
neco vam reknu jeto dobry dost nato ze to natocili cesi ale aj dost brutalni jak se umiva ten chlapik a padne tam bomba a utrhne mu to nohi on se tam jeste plazi tak to je brutus
syruvky 2 years ago
uplně suprovej filmeček.
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