Anjem Choudary calls British troops "war criminals" and Muslim leaders hypocrites - Part 1

[andrewgatward1]

THE ONLY CRIMINALS ARE YOU AND YOUR TERRORIST RADICAL FRIENDS....AGAIN, IF YOUR NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY OUR COUNTRY WORKS, GET OUT STUPID

[RATIONALMIND001]

Its is long overdue that Governments of the world begin to think rationally. Rationalism is not a faith but the humble acknowledgment that WE dont know! Religion cannot be validated! People MUST have the courage, integrity and honesty to admit when they dont have the answer. Religion has a dark side and some religions more than others. See the religion of Islam out of control, download FITNA.

[Dannysupermax]

Anjem Choudrey is NOT A MUSLIM. He may look look like one but his tongue speaks like a serpent. REAL MUSLIMS KEEP YOUR CHILDREN SAFE FROM THIS MAN OF HATE. Islam is a peaceful religion as Muslims have settled here in the UK for over 200 years. Only in the last 20 years have Muslims felt anguish and fear. OUR CHILDREN HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE IN PEACE.

[ronmawla]

Neither would be any of us.

INFINITE ONE FINITE ITSELF

[JMBoleyn]

I hear on a very reliable grapevine that Anjem Choudary will not be around too much longer.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

[KufrAkbar]

Anjem, Judge of the Shari'ah Court of the UK, I wiped my arse with a qur'aan today. I tore out one of the pages that talks about witchcraft and your other primitive superstitions, and I put it to good use. Now convene your fellow Pakistani parasites and sentence me to death again, idiot.

[WulfrunaSufi]

Our Armed Forces are made up of brave, courageous and honourable men and women, who are fighting against injustice and terrorism. Which is a lot more than what I can say for this fanatic! Who does he think he is? I'm a Muslim who knows where my loyalties lie, that's certainly not with fanatics who consider terrorism and the murder of civilians as perfectly acceptable!!! Anjem is a traitor, not only to our country, but also to the religion he claims to follow!

[ryukenb2k]

No they are not courageous but really brainwashed to go over FOLLOW ORDERS. That means if they are led to the slaughter they are going no if's or but's. They are puppets who are expendable to their crooked pay masters. down with the goverment's hypocrisy and tyranny

[javed7867]

i totaly disagree with the iraq and and other wars but this fanatic is going about things in a totaly unacceptable way as a muslim i belive in peaceful protest not forceing your will and law on to other people the uk has been so good and kind to us and most importantly they've been tolerant its about time these people startred to shoe some appreciation...

[luptoneous]

This guy is a weasel. I saw him in another interview and he said that gays should be killed. Peaceful religion huh.

[rcstar07]

he is part of minority. majority muslim does not think like this way.

[slovakland]

Quite simply, do everybody in this country a favour and take you and your mates and fuck off back to the Middle East.You and your kin are not wanted here.You are not British you represent every thing that is bad about this country and your time here is running out..watch your back mate..

You have insulted my old regiment.

[postuni10]

Islam, islam, islam...c/mon dude, this is the 21st century. Just leave with whatever religion you are in. Just prosper in life... stupid!!!

[simpsonswatcher92]

Here he is slagging of OUR goverment etc but still he has the citezenship to live here. Basicly what smogga09 has said is perfect!

[Muslimsson]

britsh troops will loose The mujahideen will win INSHALLAH MAY ALLAH SWT DESTROY YOU KUFAR AND MUNAFIKEEN WHO ARE AGAINTS MUJAHIDEEN AND ISLAM

[kingrapid]

funny how all these comments are INSULTS from the side who hates him...what in this video is inciting hatred? let the dogs bark...cos the whole world must be crazy then innit? half the world is Islam? so what is the world crazy? and a FEW INDIVIDUALS like these BNP right? so be it...HISTORY speaks for itself and so do the realities of today..enjoy ure life now...feel the heat later...GOD BLESS ANJEM CHOUDARY!

[dusty8512]

if you want to live under sharia go back to the middle east

[ashishenh]

Britishers are the stupidest people on earth..how can you tolerate such a dick head in ur country.. shame on british..shame, real shame.

[Thewizard22uk]

Chowdary, Born in the UK, Claiming DSS benefits and NEVER even left here...How the hell does he know what happens in Iraq?

Notice he does'nt complain about hostages being beheaded.

[smskinner1001]

The only way to deal with these guys is strip them of their citizenship, and/or stick them on trail for treason look them up when they come out deport them to some mulsim country.

Or just deport them they dont deserve citizenship in the this country time to get rid of thses fantatics vote BNP

[lahoreplayer]

Fck the BNP Sideways - This guy shouldnt be speaking agaist the troops even if you disagree with them fighting in a war that you dont agree - whats the real issue here, troops in any country are only following orders. I dont agree with the troops fighting in a war - where the troops get killed the people in foreign lands get killed - the lands are occupied and fools like you make it an issue to vote the disgracefull scum BNP. Why is it he gets a platform to speak against the troops.

[Invesigator]

If the person featured in above video is "the most hated man in Britain", something is seriously wrong with British morality.

[triumphelf]

Vote BNP!!!

[sweetypie000]

jumped up, self righteous nobody wanting to be a somebody in the UK by causing controversy in the name of allah.

He's a prick and he does nothing to promote Islam in a positive light.

where in the world could you go and wish such hostility and trouble on the inhabitants of a country? If he tried this anywhere else in the world he'd be executed, tourtured, raped, imprisoned etc, why? because you don' fucking do it !!We are the only fucking stupid nation to let them get away with constantly.

[sweetypie000]

Our forefathers died in wars and suffered so that scum like this can have freedom of speech outside their own countrys and a roof over their heads in this England.

He should call for all his followers who wish to live by sharia law to go back to their own country. Problem solved.

sharia law will never happen here in england, we have earnt the right to live how we do.

People like this is why Islam has been a problem for thousands of years.

[harshash]

what a wanker

[facejapan]

another muslim that suffers from: SCHIZOPHRENIA!, due to all that goat raping and brainwashing.

anjem Choudary: lives in illford, essex.

you know what to do.

[smogga09]

this fucker needs locking in a room with a group of royal marines

[cwood4ever]

And US Marines

[lahoreplayer]

Royal Marines are men who act like men unlike you couch potatoes - BNP scum. They would know what to do but not what you want.

[lxMaSkYxl]

soldiers haven't done anything wrong i say deport the guy hes a terrorist himself, he lives in england therefore he should be proud of his army and his country or he should leave end of.

[UM911]

how can u say what will happen or wont happen? only God can decree something upon man, yh if one bomb can do that so be it but if one muslim can rise up and probly change the face of opression then im all for it. Che Guvera created a revolution.....its not long before another one is created here...in so called GREAT britain

[UM911]

u can say what u want, the demo was done agasint the anglican solidiers AND U CUDNT DU JACK ALL ABOUT IT!! anjem maybe the hated man in britain but he is speaking the best words from the greatest religion. beat that...well u cnt u kaafir scumbags.

[wonderdog707]

UM911, Can't you see the irony that some Muslims that want to live in a Sharia state do not go and live in one. They are humiliating themselves by constantly going on about creating one here when it will never happen. Are you aware that one Brit nuclear submarine has the power to wipe out 48 cities in one afternoon. I have been to many Islamic countries including Iraq and Afghanistan and they are good people wanting peace and hope.

Choudray needs to get off the dole and become an example.

[swordwind001]

I know some better words

Deus Vult

[WelshFromTheWest]

NUT JOB ,evil muslim ,fuck off ,you have been given a home here ,educated here ,get to live very nicely on our benifit system ,HYPOCRITE go have a drink and take the drugs that youre well known for in your past ha ha ha

[Hamdaman101]

This man fails epicly. THe whole thing actually backfired on him and his little posse. Hence "most hated man in britain."

[Freedomforus2000]

Religious fanatic Anjem Choudary says he wants Shariah law & Islam to rule in Britain. All gays should be stoned to death, beer drinkers flogged, and all women to dress like nuns. He preaches hatred against Britain on TV and radio, & actually called one woman presenter a prostitute ! He's a real trouble maker and gives all muslims a bad name.

This is Britain 2009, not the stone age, and anyone that says it's right to kill on behalf of religion is barbaric. Shariah law isn't wanted in the UK !

[Counterrevolutionite]

I disagree, Anjem Choudhary called for the assasination of the Pope.... if a Crusade was announced and him and his fellow apostates were brutally decimated in the name of Christ by a Papal Militia it would be a beautiful thing.

Crusade > Jihad.

[XRayMajik]

well is it the mos practised religion in the world? dipshit ...

ill keep defendin it

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

PS dipshit, your holy books fails. Galen and other great greeks knew of the embryo and a great deal more things centuries before Muhammad was even born. You simply tried to steal credit for the achievements of others. Epic fail muzzy, epic fail.

[XRayMajik]

No i have read it myself!!!

your and ignorant person.....misscarriage...and what goes in the womb of the women are different things...and im telling you the quran speaks of how the embryo develops in the womb not the miscarriage crap.....WHAT Dont you understand?

people like are you weak minded you need to see to believe

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

"your and ignorant person"

I think you mean "you're", maybe it's you who is ignorant.

I guess you aren't smart enough to understand. If a woman miscarries a fetus, it is not fully developed so people can see that it was in development. The only difference between an embryo and a fetus is 8 weeks. Maybe you should take a fucking biology class. People already knew that human children develop in the womb.

You think demanding evidence is weak minded? How back asswards is that? dumbass muslims.

[XRayMajik]

No you faggot im not speaking about miscarriage im talking about the embryo develops into a being..in the stomach with limbs etc..!!

you should take fucking reading lessons and read what i write..

Shut the fuck up asswipe....Keep hating..when you die you will find out and the devil will laugh at you as you both burn in hell

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

Yes dumbass, and i'm saying miscarriages is how we would have known. If an underdeveloped fetus drobs out of someone i think people get the idea that babies don't just appear inside wombs. My word muslims are stupid.

"when you die you will find out and the devil will laugh at you as you both burn in hell"

There is no devil or hell, they were made up to scare pussies like you into being part of a dirty religion.

[XRayMajik]

looooolwatever MINGER......Muslims are increasing in the world....so what you say doesnt change nothing.

your a hater so keep hating

lool i said you will find out one day

[XRayMajik]

bullshit...god himselfs says in the book...create something better if it cannot be done den you cannot deny him...........

It Is Gods final revelation....i told you of embyronic development.....and quran being revealed way before science was discovered...so then who could of spoken of the embryonic development ..before science was discovered???

[JACKtheRIPP3R189]

"god himselfs says in the book"

You mean people said that god said it. Learn the difference, and try not to be so gullible. Anyone of Shakespeare's works is better than the Koran, it's a boring and useless book which isn't even interesting fiction.

"It Is Gods final revelation"

I'm sure you think so. People knew about embryonic development before the 7th century dumbass, do you think people didn't notice when a woman miscarries until the koran came?

[XRayMajik]

if you have read and deny it still then no more to be said...i still think you havnt read it as most people in the world are thickle liars. i have read many books of which confuse me and contradictory to themselves. People waste efforts on reading silly books which are of no use......Quran was the final revelation. ...Heaven and hell isnt something physical i can prove to you. the quran speaks of it and God is the Author of the quran not a mere man with so called authority.

[XRayMajik]

Islam taught men how to live life and how it would bring peace amongst all people and all times and stop the ideology of men thinking they are "gods" and stop men being unjust to people and the world itself even in business Quran teaches us how to do business in a correct manner

[XRayMajik]

well you fool ...if you read the quran...your rational will tell you someone greater then man has wrote this......your such a coward you wont even bother to read the proper Quran!

Islam is a way of life....all these battles in the past were not because of gold or land...it was challenging mens ideas...Islam contributed to civilisation itself....Hell and Heaven exist...when you die you will find out but it will be to late

laugh all your want

[hjm218]

This benefit scrounger Anjem Choudary wants a pure Islamic state with Sharia law in Britain. This would mean the end of our precious hard won freedom. Sharia advocates slavery and does not recognize democracy.

Islamization of the West will mean the end of our civilization. If we dont act now, we will betray our Western values, we will lose our culture, we will lose our democracy and we will lose the dearest of our many liberties: the right to speak our mind.

[manoynav]

islam is a cult. it's not even a religion.

[XRayMajik]

shut up....you ignorant coward...talk and talk ..read up your facts and history ISlam contributed to civilisation

[XRayMajik]

hmmm well look at the human system ..the quran speaks of embyro development, speaks of the moutains......if you had read it and deny it then thats your problem. ..you will defo find out when you die ...then its too late

isnt in order? dunno what book your on about part of me thinkgs you either havnt read it or have read something else

allah knows best

not sure what you read but ok ill take your word for it ..so youve read the Quran not KORAN/FURQAN and deny it. you will find out in soon.

[darkpawuk]

Yes, it does speak of embryology, and IT GETS IT WRONG!!!

The mountains - a 50/50 chance that mountains continued underground. However, we KNOW how they are formed, and we KNOW that they DO NOT stabilise the earth. The Koran IS WRONG AGAIN.

And you'll find out when you die if it's actually Zeus you should've been worshipping... ort Ba'al... or Wotan... etc.

It's in order of size of chapter, not chronological order. That makes it completely insane.

Koran = English for Qu'ran. Idiot.

[XRayMajik]

u idiot....how did you know that mountains continued underground? Quran was revealed way before science was discovered!!! YOU PPL HAVE sabataged the name in english Quran...wITH a Q U R A N doesnt take much effort ....burn in helll Zeus and all the other stupid names people have is utter bullshit!

there is no god but allah swa..and muhammed pbuh was his final prophet

watch in hell you will burn with the devil while he laffs at your stupidty

[darkpawuk]

See how you resort to threats of hell fire and burning in hell when someone disagrees with your religion. This is pathetic.

I have not sabotages the name "Qu'ran", "Koran" is simply the English spelling.

Zeus was a Greek god that humans invented. Just as Allah is a god that the pagans invented and Muhammad took as his own.

Well, I don't believe that hell exists, so I won't be burning in it, and I won't be scared of burning in it. Your threats are baseless, and you are delusional.

[XRayMajik]

pagan doent just  have one meaning...but ISLAM isnt pagan whatsoever

[darkpawuk]

Yes it is.

And there's no historical evidence that suggests Abraham and his son ever went to Mecca, so how could they have built the Kabah? If you have such evidence, please provide it, or a reference for me to check out myself. Don't provide me verses from the koran or hadith, as they cannot be considered as historical fact without implying massive bias.

[XRayMajik]

well darkpaw the evidence is the Quran and Hadith...because quran was revealed after Moses Jesus and Abraham PBUH....and speaks of them and what they did......theres evidence within itself.

you want evidence the quran is evidence..not wrrite by a man or woman...written by GOD himself and is perfection. Saying dnt give me Quran and HADITH evidence.... is like saying dont teach pythagoras theorom using methods!

[darkpawuk]

The koran was written by men. It was collated from what men had remembered Muhammad saying. The hadith are simply what Muhammad did. There are some pretty vile things in there. I guess you haven't read them? Why would you worship a god whose 'prophet' did such things?

And what about the hadith that says you have to clean your nostrils out in the morning because the devil lived up there at night? MADNESS!

If the koran were perfect, it wouldn't be possible to misinterpret it, but you can.

[darkpawuk]

"is like saying dont teach pythagoras theorom using methods!":

No it's not.

Pythagoras' theorem is base don facts and mathematical proof. You can use his theorem to PROVE the length of the sides of right angled triangles.

You cannot use the koran to PROVE there's a god. If you could, then it would've been done long ago and ALL other religions wouldn't exist. I've read the koran; it didn't prove anything to me. And no, I'm not closed-minded, nor do I have a veil over my eyes.

[XRayMajik]

yes it is because the information came from the man himself n using logic it proves it right

the only way you can prove me wrong is reading the quran ..to prove to yourself that it wasnt written by god if you read it and still think a man wrote it..then i fear for you.

other religions are man made...you have to read up on history to know that! ISlam is not man made

yee veil woman are much better then your woman sluts!

[hjm218]

It's time this preacher of hate had his benefits stopped. Why should he get £25,000 per year in handouts from the british taxpayer when all he wants to do is preach hatred against us.

Where else in the world would he get away with it ? These are dangerous people and need to be stopped.

If our weak government won't stop them, my vote is going to the BNP !

[connielane]

War is neanderthal behavior! Time to evolve!

[guitardrew05]

propogating hate of the country he lives in , calling for jihad on his own government, just saying that non muslims should be subjected to sharia law in my mind alone constitutes that he should be tossed the fuck out, i hope he has quite heavy security around him, some offended non muslims with hurt feelings no doubt might want to take this to the streets, muslim style, as if he were a gay or a jew. if england changed to sharia law he would be the first one put to death for his pre muslim days

[XRayMajik]

but i do not know*

[XRayMajik]

governmental control? he was offered to give up islam for materilistic objects by Kings and was offered kingdoms...he never accepted because he didnt care about things in this life. Islam does not come from christianity theres no logic....jesus pbuh refered to muhammed pbuh!!!!!!....and said clearly he will come after me and guid you all..everyone forgets Abraham..pharoh challenged abraham , jews challenged jesus

ONE GOD, ONE TRU RULER OF THE WORLD!..

[guitardrew05]

and go ahead and try flying the muslim flag over major streets in london i bet the first day it will be torn down and trampled on, like you do with the flags of the country you live in, and the us flag. i would set fire to it where it hung, not even bother to tear it down, it has no place whatsoever in free society, your free to practice your religion here, but we are free to our opinions about your religion, and you are not free to try to impose your barbaric disgusting views on me.

[XRayMajik]

Anjem chaudhry says some good stuff and bad ..hes quite a contreversial character amongst the muslim world! but i do know enough about him yet to judge him

[didyoustealmycountry]

You say that you "do not know enough about him"! Just open your bloody eyes you idiot!

[XRayMajik]

as ignorant idiot you are

you havnt opened your eyes to your own government?

[didyoustealmycountry]

This man Choudary is a threat to my way of life and I and many many Muslims don't like him. He is part of a small minority that makes all Muslims look stupid. Disown him or look stupid too.

Maajid Nawaz says some "good stuff". Choudary spouts rubbish. If you have to have a hero in your antiquated belief system then at least make a wise choice. Find out about the Quilliam Foundation. Listen to Nawaz not Choudary and be a truly GOOD Muslim.

[darkpawuk]

According to your channel, it's your government as well.

[XRayMajik]

it is ye not all muslims governments are doing Islam and Muslims good...thats somethin all muslims know that

[darkpawuk]

Please convert that sentence into English so that I and many others can understand it. As it is, it's utter gibberish.

So sad that someone in the UK can't speak English.

[XRayMajik]

how was the quran wrong about emrbyology?

have your scientist invented something new again?

[darkpawuk]

The koran says that bones are formed first and then flesh grows over it. That's completely untrue. ANd where does sperm come from again? The backbone? The kidneys?

The Greek Galen made the mistake in AD150.

The desert pirate Muhammad copied that mistake, or had his followers copy it probably because they thought it would lend credence to Muhammad if he knew such things.

Trouble is, they were wrong. The info was wrong. The koran is wrong.

[EnglishLoon09]

Luton 28th

[mikew55555]

Is this guy an "agent" for anti-muslim factions, or is he for real ?,scary either way,trouble is how many UK muslims support his views ?. Bit like the "Irish Problem" a few years back,the average Irishman may not have supported the PIRA,but "they could understand them",(until they had a few drinks inside them,then the truth came out !).Unfortunately you can't get this lot p*ssed to get the truth !.

[EnglishLoon09]

We've heard too much about muslims in this country in recent years,muslims are suffering etc etc,frankly ive had enough like many Englishmen & Women it's time to make a stand for our fellow country men.......

[XRayMajik]

those who are non muslim..i ask you this

If america came to britain and started killing british citizens for land? oil? terrorism? or watever you wanna call it.

you would call them terrortist for doing so....the war troops in iraq especially are being used as puppets and sadly young soliders are dieing. There muslim soliders in the british army aswell! the government lies to you and tricks you!

thats what anjem choudhry is stating

[ParadigmaticShift]

XRayMajik, we are ready for you here in Texas. Please come to Texas and bring as many Muslims as you can. I cannot tell you how long it has been since I have fird my AK-47, I sooooo need the practice.

[XRayMajik]

LOL well Spastic if your so on it to kill Muslims..come to Us and KILL US lool

aaah you pyscho....the Islamic Flag will always be raised..no matter how many you Kill! the Prophet muhammed saw delivered the message protected the law over 15000 years ago and more more people are becoming muslims..facts cannot be changed

[guitardrew05]

haha i feel sorry for you your prophet was a fraud pedophile and coward, just accept it religion is shit, and if you insist on religion, pick a different one you are involved in the dumbest most backward non accepted morally fucked religion ever created, and the quran is a plaigerism from the other idiotic monotheisms. your religion is the reason people say religions are all fake.

[XRayMajik]

Muhammed PBUH was the best of men..he was the only man who saw his vision in his life. He was offered all materilistic things money? women? he didnt give up the word of god fot those things.

christianity is actually made by the pagans! and woship the sun hence SUN-DAY

actually i feel sorry for you people...who are brainwashed by their own government...who are sent to iraq/afghanistan for a war that doesnt even exist and young soldiers are dying leaving families in tears and Pain.

[darkpawuk]

"Muhammed PBUH was the best of men":

Actually, Muhammad personally beheaded between 600-900 people.

There's one simple statement that completely refutes your assertion that Muhammad was the best of men...

BETTER MEN HAVE NOT KILLED!

[XRayMajik]

IN BATTLE in WAR.....he didnt kill them for his own personal booty....like people do now.

ROMAN,persians crusaders all killed in battle

Muhammed message of One god and ISLAm will live on no matter what anyone does

[darkpawuk]

How many poets did he have killed because they wrote things about him that he didn't like? Was that a battle? A war? No.

I would say I am a better man than Muhammad because I have not killed at all, and I'm not the one peddling a supremacist ideology disguised as a religion.

[XRayMajik]

now thats a lie because Prophets dont kill people unless in battle why else would they be on earth allah swa is a perfectionist no errors in what he created and has done....

humans raitonale that tries sniffing for errors but you wnt find errors because its your own mind playin tricks with you

[darkpawuk]

PROVE IT.

Prove that your god is a perfectionist. I could list a bunch of things that you claim it created that are far from perfect...

So, what you're saying is that prophets were sent here to kill people in battle? Why would I want to to worship something like that?! What a horrid little creature.

[XRayMajik]

well you have maps..which i do believe are not 100% accurate because its impossible for a person to map the big world.

put forward the errors you have in mind?

In battles occured because kings and people who didnt like the what mohammed pbuh was doing attacked him and attacked MUSLIMS....Mohammed saw didnt go out and attack people on the street just with a click of a finger.

[darkpawuk]

Erm, we have photographs of the earth. We have satellites that can take high resolution pictures of the earth. Our maps are pretty damn accurate.

Ok, things that are not perfect... Let's start with humans and the earth.

No, Muhammad attacked people to spread his new religion. He had 'revelations' at just the right time to justify his behaviour. First you can't fight in the holy month (the holy month was pagan by the way), then you CAN fight in the holy month if it's for Allah. How convenient.

[XRayMajik]

People attacked the prophets...people attakced muslims areas...prophets killed only in battle/a WAR..not randomly on the streets of arabia or anything....

people waged war with the prophets because of theyre message of one god... Moses pbuh lead people through the sea away from pharoh for example.

they were all muslims .jews tried to kill Jesus pbuh but allah swa replaced him with another in his likeness (4:157).

more like the non muslims were killers not Prophets PUBH

[darkpawuk]

Yes, people attacked the 'prophets'. Well, Muhammad was an unwanted child, abused, neglected, and he grew up to be a warlord, inflicting abuse onto others.

So, was it a war when he asked someone to kill the poets? No. Your point is moot.

Your 'holy' book that says it is proof of a divine being cannot be used as proof of a divine being just because it says so. You need evidence. You have none. The sentences in that book do not prove anything.

[darkpawuk]

"christianity is actually made by the pagans! and woship the sun hence SUN-DAY":

Yes, and Allah was one of many pagan idols in the Kabah.

The Hajj was a pagan ritual.

Throwing stones at seven depictions of the devil was pagan.

The Kabah itself was pagan.

Walking around the Kabah 7 times was pagan.

[XRayMajik]

no u fool you got it wrong again..nothing inside kabah..the kabah is centered in the middle of the earth and is the high energy point..good engery!

christmas is PAGAN

christianity is pagan and islam has no link to PAGANS gosh your so stupid.....dumbass go to hell

your thick its unbelievable your just ignorant and dont know what your talking about... i hope allah swa shows his mercy on you..if not then the hell with your HATER and ignorant Moose!

[darkpawuk]

Actually the Kabah was built ~991BCE well before Muhammad was born. It was PAGAN.

It's not centered in the middle of the earth. What nonsense! Have you looked at a globe or atlas recently?

I know Christmas is pagan. I'm not a Christian, so attempting to insult me in that way is pointless.

I don't believe in hell, so your threats are meaningless.

"Ignorant moose"?! You're so childish. Your threats don't work. You resort to name-calling because you're unable to have a proper discussion.

[XRayMajik]

well ok fine carrying on with this discusiion the kabah was built by prophet abraham with his son .....the kabah is a focal point when muslims pray they all face the kabah so no is actually face anothers back whilst in postrationg..so in order to do this is must be in the centre..check the maps again as far i can tell from my eye on the map middle east is the central part of the world?

theres no idols or statues of god of prophets in the kabah or in any mosque.

[darkpawuk]

From what viewpoint are you saying that the middle east is the centre of the world? ANYWHERE on the planet is the centre in that case! (On a side note, how do you find the centre of the surface of an oblate spheroid?)

Are you intentionally misreading my comments? I never said there are pagan idols in the Kabah NOW. I said Allah WAS one of many.

[XRayMajik]

well ...why is it alled middle east? saudi arabia is apart of the middle east contingent be borderline or not

Allah swa is not like humans in any shape or form..we do not know what he looks like and that is out incentive because those who believe will see him in the afterlife. Those who worship idols are not Muslims and Allah forbids the worship of idols because theres no comparions to allah swa

[darkpawuk]

Ah yes, you aren't allowed to worship idols, yet you idolise Muhammad, and hold him up as the best of men.

And that black stone in the corner of the Kabah. No, you can't worship that, yet you'll wander round it seven times, touch it and kiss it. How is that not worship?!

If you're saying that a specific point on the SURFACE of the earth is the CENTRE of the earth, then ANY POINT on the surface can be called the centre! The actual centre of the earth is right below you.

[darkpawuk]

"the Prophet muhammed saw delivered the message protected the law over 15000 years ago":

Spastic. It was 1400 years ago.

More and more people are BORN to Muslim parents. Islam is only growing because your ugly fat Muslim women don't know how to keep their legs closed! And you say it is the West that is obsessed with sex! Ha!

Besides, of those who CHOOSE to become a Muslim, 75% of them leave it within two years.

[oclandestin]

I'm no fan of Anjem Choudary (may Allah guide him), and I think he often makes things worse for Muslims in this country, but he does make some sense here regarding the protests.

[phr00zen2009]

Finally, someone is brave enough to speak the truth. I wish the muslims around the world should learn from him, if we had brothers like this in India, Gujurat massacre would never have taken place. Indian Muslims should wake up and stand up for their rights. Funny how on Eid ud Duhaa, muslims had to publicly explain that we are the cowards and like Hindus to rape and burn our fellow muslims..

[antistupidity84]

I'm not Muslim, but I can safely say that this fat cow Choudhary has done more damage to Muslims than any Islamophobe could. How do you feel about normal Muslims in England copping the heat due to this man's statements?

[darkpawuk]

antistupidity84 is right. Just a few hours ago he said that muslims hate Anjem Choudary, too.

Clearly, however, not all muslims hate him, as you have clearly decided that Anjem Choudary speaks for you.

THAT is the problem. Choudary's words are vile and evil, and YOU think he's right.

No one should learn anything from this man other than how NOT to speak. Choudary is a loser. He's angry because this NON-MUSLIM country isn't enacting HIS islamic law.

WE DO NOT WANT ISLAMIC LAW HERE.

[darkpawuk]

What pisses me off about this is that muslims keep telling us we can't say all muslims are bad based on the actions of a few, but this guy is saying the 'atrocities' were perpetrated by all UK soldiers. If he weren't, then he should be making claims against specific people. But he isn't.

He is tarring all UK soldiers with the actions of a few - the few that HE cannot name.

He is a hypocrite of the highest order. Articulate or not, he's still a prick.

[antistupidity84]

This guy is hated by Muslims as well.

[akadir]

The reason why ALL British soldiers CAN be tarred with the same brush, is because ALL of them as an entire unit DID occupy Iraq. The occupation itself was bad enough, and as a whole they ALL killed innocents.

I see your logic if we were just talking about the abuses. but we are widening the scope to the "occupation" itself as a crime.

On the other hand, you are correct that only a FEW Muslims condoned 7/7, 9/11 and therefore ALL Muslims cannot be blamed for this.

[darkpawuk]

These soldiers are acting on behalf of the UK government. The soldiers aren't occupying it for themselves, they are doing it for the government. Complain to the government NOT the soldiers.

Let's widen the scope of the 9/11 perpetrators. We can blame Islam for it instead. Those people who did 9/11 were following Islam's teachings. Thus, Islam is at fault because it lends itself to being used in that way.

When a muslim man rapes a woman, do we blame all men? All muslims? Or just that one man?

[akadir]

If am a gangster, and if I send a murderer to your house to invade and rob your property, and to kill your family UNDER my orders - who do you protest against? JUST me ? or against my soldiers??

I suppose your next argument is that the Iraqis shouldn't fight against the British soldiers, because the Govt is at fault and not the soldiers?? If its ok to kill british soldiers, why is it not ok to merely protest vocally??!!

[darkpawuk]

Your hypothetical situation is invalid. YOUR family are not being killed.

Besides, are the UK forces over there randomly killing people? NO. They are responding to the daily attacks by other muslims against both the UK forces AND other muslims!

You can protest vocally, but calling them baby-killers is incorrect. Should I take to the streets calling all muslims 'gay killers' because Iran executes gay men?

[akadir]

British soldiers placed themselves in Iraq, and occupied Iraq. The fact that a few of them committed abuses only makes it worse. But certainly and definitely, ALL British soldiers had a part to play in the OCCUPATION, and BOMBINGS of Iraq and its infrastructure.

Therefore ALL soldiers can be condemned, and this not analagous to the issue Muslims being tarred by the same brush (extremists etc).

[darkpawuk]

Then we can call all muslims terrorists because they all follow the same 'holy' book.

ALL muslims are reading the same texts and thus perpetuating the very thing that causes the issue in the first place - Islam; just as the British soldiers are in Iraq as part of the occupation.

However, the allied forces are there at the request of the democratically-elected governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.

[XRayMajik]

BUT The british soldiers amongst them small percentage do not want to be there after finding out the truth to why they are

One muslim bad acts doesnt represent all muslims

[darkpawuk]

You're trying to excuse your own point by claiming discrepancies in my point, when they're exactly the same.

ALL muslims read the SAME koran. They ALL follow the SAME religion/supremacist ideology. Yes, ALL those British soldiers are over there, but if the actions of ONE British soldier means you can blame all of them, then the actions of ONE muslim means we can blame all muslims.

Your position deserves no special treatment and has already been answered.

[bluesmurfs87]

Soldiers are deployed, they do not act of their own accord, and are thereby not liable for the actions of their governments. You are an imbecile, why do you not condemn the actions of Ansar al Sunna and the Wahabi bigots that comprise the bloodiest part of the Iraqi insurgency when they bomb the holy places in Najaf? Because you despise the Shia and are a proven sectarian bigot. You claim rights you deny others, theofascist scumbag.

[gotnowt]

Another sand nigger on white mans benifits.

[gotti786]

anjem choudary is probably the most articulate person in britain if more so than honey monster (gordon brown)