I don't deny that Canadians did assist British forces in keeping the expansionist Americans from taking over their country. But to say that Canadians were responsible for burning Washington? Canadians were ALLIED with those who burnt down the White House, that's the extent of it. You can't take credit for that and then turn around and deny any involvement with the British forces who were routed in the Louisiana bayous in 1815. (I doubt a single Canadian was in either D.C. or NOLA then!)
@jerseydevs2000 funny I cant seem to remember where i always see that smeared and overly stretched ideology from hm... taking some that was accomplished by 99.9% hard work of others and .01% effort of that one sole person and they take all the credit for such accomplishment for example WWII without the russians forget it Germany would still be adorned with black and red flags
@stefrockets actually every conflict pretty much that you guys "won" was with great help and effort from other nations OH RIGHT I REMEMBER NOW YOU AMERICANS!
@stefrockets You're mostly right, but I can think of a few that were all about the USA. 1) The American Revolution (with some help from France and Spain, but not a lot) 2) The Mexican-American War. 3) The Civil War - err does this count? The USA beat the CSA and there are still lots of sore losers down South so hell yeah it does! 4) The Spanish-American War.
@stefrockets While I disagree with my fellow Americans who seem to think we won WWII by ourselves, to say that the Allies could've done it WITHOUT the help of the US is absurd revisionism. You could make that argument about WWI where Pershing & the AEF were "over there" for a French holiday, but not WWII. Maybe the Soviets could've done it by themselves, but then continental Europe might still be a communist paradise. And the Pacific war was definitely 75% USA, 25% UK/ANZAC/Canada.
@jerseydevs2000 China kept Japan very busy in the pacific theater of WW2 even if nothing more then forcing them to shoot wave after wave after wave of them.
Also The British gave the design of the Bomb to the USA which ultimately forced the surrender.
With those 2 factors added I'm not sure the percentages you worked out give due credit.
@Eddythebeast666 I concede your point on China, but not the bomb. If the British "gave the design of the bomb" to the USA, why didn't they threaten Hitler with it in the European front? British scientists might have come up with the scientific breakthrough that made an atomic bomb theoretically possible and gave THAT information to the Americans, but the final design and testing were all thanks to resources based in the USA.
@jerseydevs2000 The British had the advantage of scientists who escaped the Nazi take over of Europe.
"British scientists worked initially alone on the atomic bomb under the cover name of Tube Alloys, later becoming a partner in the tri-national Manhattan Project under the Quebec Agreement. The Manhattan Project resulted in the two nuclear weapons dropped over Japan."
It turns out now even Americans acknowledged loss. Now Hollywood has to produce a few more movies explaining to a dull-film-going public that the Allied forces were in fact long at it in WWII before the US got involved, and that the Russians essentially kicked Nazi ass. This is not to belittle America's efforts in the war; they fought the good fight--but remember: ALONGSIDE the other Allies.
Invading Canada would be a military nightmare (the weather), would shatter the U.S. economy (biggest trading partner), ruin the U.S. air defence system from day one (NORAD is joint, and the HQ shares the building with USNORTHCOM), would be a diplomatic nightmare (seriously, you invaded Canada?), and would be a political disaster (seriously, you invaded Canada?), Canada has actual WMD capability and some of the best trained soldiers.
It was a victory for British North America and in turn led to the survival of it and what would later lead to the confederation of the colonies into Canada. If the U.S. had succeeded the early colonists would have been amalgamated into the republic. Canada has since remained independent and has kept its constitutional monarchy and parliament and its inherited British laws and customs. God Save the Queen and God bless Canada.
@Dslater417 Haha funny. So true too. Wanna know what else would be fun? Lets go take everything that Stephan Colbert/Jon Stewart say seriously too. Seeing as they are all political pundits.
@Windegowally I do hope you are not suggesting that Canada become allies to those wacky Arab states? The fact that the US has not invaded Canada is proof that the "Its all for oil" crowd doesn't know what they are talking about. But I know there are a lot of loony lefties who just like to US bash to no end. Hell there are thousands of US born loony lefties that do nothing but US bash.
@Windegowally Your nation and mine, (Canadian) can't march down to Washington and burn the White House again. The Americans have gotten a little better at the playing war game since 1812. If the US ever tries to take Canada by force again it will only take them about 3 weeks. Hell Alberta would probably be on their side. The US is the last supper power on the planet really. So you tell me how do a people like us whom sit a the kitty table with Iceland tell a super power to be humble.
@Windegowally french? congrats. now you are an idiot in TWO languges. canada did win war of 1812, you wasn't even apart of it. learn some history. Vietnam was a war between north and south vietnam which the south were winning until we decided to leave ( we won ). iraq? the goal was a regime change, that's what we did. war 1812? to send a messege to uk that we weren't going to allow them to interfer with our trade to france. that what we did.
@Windegowally everything i said was correct. you are an idiot to disagree. canada is an isecure, culturaless nation that continue to make false / baseless claims to make you guys feel better.
there is no need for me spew insult because unkike you ... everything i said is true. everything you think you know, everything canada says is about war of 1812 ( or history in general ) is a complete lie
People the facts are this before the US revolution we were one people, Britains North American Colonies whom fought a 7 year long war against Frances North American Colonies. France lost. Later some of Britain's Colonies rebelled creating the United States. The revolution founded the American identity. Just a few years later. 1812, US attempt to take all Brit territory fails, War of 1812 founded the Canadian Identity. Two young nations which started as enemies become great friends and allies..
american went to war with england over"impressment, and disturbing trades with france. all historians agree to that. i don't even understand why canada claim participation to that war?
@mrfwest Uh... because the Americans decided to attack the uk by attacking Canada, which was a British colony? Do you really think your ships went all the way across the sea to fight the naval power at the time? How would that even work? How would they have enough supplies? Btw, historians agree that they DID attack Canada. Because there's physical evidence and historical accounts of various battles.
Funny how Americans are always trying to claim victory in wars they didn't win:
American Revolution - technically a win for France since French regulars outnumbered American "Revolutionaries" in the last year of the war. Neat trick that: claiming victory after your army quit.
WW1 - by the time the Americans arrived the surrender was being negotiated
WW2 - late to the party, delayed the ending by 9 months
Korea - tie
Vietnam - oops, only a "police action" (wink,wink)
@CanadianGuerrilla We have distanced ourselves some what from our British origins & are fully independent but we have never rejected our British heritage.
Sorry Americans, you may be partially right. It wasnt just the war of 1812 you lost. That was your second failed attempt. The first time you tried you were owned by Governor Frontnac.
Source: w w w histori ca /minutes/minute. do? id=10129
You already are just like Bermuda it's Canada's Reserve currency. And you use 90% of American Weapons.. And you use 90% of American Weapons. Please learn you country's history It was a Great American victory/
@TheIceman567 Everyone has a reserve currency. China has the USD, the UK has the Euro, ect. And we dont use 90% American Weapons, we build our own. Yes we do use some, but 90% is built by us.
@TheIceman567 We buy our submarines from the UK, but we build the rest of our fleet. And you babysit us, HA. The 2000 soldiers we have in Afganistan have shown that Canadian regular infantry are superior to US special forces 9dont belive me, ask any US general who served in Afganistan). Babysitting my ass.
@dave19941000 Yeah those 2,00 Troops pulled out. And were get this Johnny were under US command. And even RM said That the US guards Canada just find the one where he is in Afghanistan. You're welcome for the protection.
@TheIceman567 Where pulling out because we said years ago that 2011 was when we pull out. The US does give us some protection due to proximity but we have proven in 3 invasion attempts and 7 wars abroud that we can defend ourselves if a threat arrises.
@TheIceman567 So Canadian born British soldiers who fought off 3 invasions, fought in the Boar wars, WW1, WW2, Korea, and Afganistan are British, how stupid are you. And do you not understand the consept of comedy, because thats what RM does.
@TheIceman567 It was still our people fighting. And WW1 we fought as our own entity, and before WW2 we where already independent. Just because we where not our own country at the time, it was still our people who fought and on.
@dave19941000 Still use it. You don't make shit the British give you your ships and your whole Air force is made up of nothing but American made F-18 Hornets. And we have to baby sit you you nowadays.
Rick Mercer likes to celebrate Canada's victory (well, Britain's technically let's be honest) over the US in 1812 yet at the same time wants to abolish the very thing those 1812 Canadians fought against the Americans for (to remain a Monarchy).
@B21983 Yeah I was put off when Rick bitched about the Monarchy as well. Hard to tell if he is always serious with his rants or just looking for easy targets as material.
I assume he writes his own material not just a mouth piece
In a nutshell, the Americans attacked, and their objective was, to dumb it down, "take over Canada" ..... Canada defended itself and even attacked back, Canada drove the rednecks back to the south where they belong.... it started not far from Quebec..and who does Quebec belong to at this moment?? Canada. The redneck objective to "take over Canada" = failed. Meaning: Canada won the war. Simple as that. The U.S.A is the ONLY country I've been in that actually even ATTEMPTS to say the rednecks won
@ammarios In a nutshell, the Americans attacked, and their objective was, to dumb it down, "take over Canada" Britain defended itself and even attacked back, Britain drove the rednecks back to the south where they belong..it started not far from Quebec..and who does Quebec belong to at this moment? Canada. The USA and Britain signed the Treaty of Ghent, factually neither side won. Things were essentially as they were ante bellum.
@ammarios oh, so even though both sides agreed to stop fighting somehow one side won? the only people to win or lose were the indians who lost lol. By the way, we only wanted the shitty land up north to bargain with england. You put our goal as taking quebec--our goal was to end british support for indian raids and an end to naval impressment, both of which were attained at Ghent (although the british continued to impress our sailors for a while longer)
@oJKBo The Americans wanted the land for themselves..they failed. Simple as that. You can attempt to justify it with whatever reasoning you want, but 'taking the land" was the goal.
Also, the 'shitty land up north' supplies a huge portion of your water, hydroelectricity &a whole bunch of other stuff (not to mention Canada is the US's biggest oil supplier/trading partner)..without Canada, a good portion of U.S would be without water & electricity. Canada/Quebec are full of natural resources.
@ammarios what youre saying is semi equivalent to saying the japanese would have lost wwii simply because they failed to take the aleutian islands. The US DID NOT go to war to get canada, in fact we never would have touched it had you pussies created an independent state. We ONLY wanted it because it was British and controlling it would allow us to force the British to stop impressing sailors and supporting the indians. Taking the land was A goal, stopping impressment was THE goal
@oJKBo As was said, victory goes to whoever achieves their goal: Ultimately, the rednecks wanted to take over Canada. They failed. The British drove the rednecks out (and speaking of "pussies", one of the reasons a big portion of the redneck 'soldiers' fled back was because they couldn't handle the cold), burnt down their whitehouse, and, Quebec is a Canadian province, which is a member of the British Commonwealth. You can attempt to spin it in any way to make yourself feel better, but you lost.
@ammarios EXACTLY, BRITAIN SIGNED A TREATY SAYING THEY WOULD END IMPRESSMENT OF OUR SAILORS------I FUCKING E WE ACHIEVED OUR GOAL. NO, WE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE OVER CANAD YOU FUCKING IDIOT, WE WANTED PART OF IT TO FORCE THE BRITISH TO RE-EXAMINE THEIR NAVAL POLICIES. COLD IS FOR FAGGOTS AND IDIOTS WHICH IS WHY NO ONE LIVES IN CANADA.
@oJKBo "Cold is for faggots and idiots"... BWHAHAHAA... WOW! Your logic is amazing. Because THAT makes alot of sense... (by the way, that is called sarcasm).
Anyways, have fun living in your overcrowded smaller country with insurance companies whose goal is to maximize their profits by providing as LITTLE healthcare that they can get away with.
You can use all the ad-hominem and capital letters and cuss words you like. Your country lost. Get over it.
@ammarios lol you act like that 30 million is spread all over, but even you settle (wait for it....) right next to the US border, most canadians live right next to us. lol sorry to burst your bubble but we dont live in tokyo, we have plenty of room where i live. lol ill admit the US lost if you can explain how a country can lose a war by accomplishing it's objectives. The US wanted to stop impressment (goal) by taking part of canada and then bargaining it away (way to reach said goal)
@oJKBo They wanted to take Canada, but they failed. They failed to achieve their expansionist objectives (under whatever pre-text you want to label it) - (just like going into Iraq had nothing to do with the country's natural resources, I guess). They lost.
Also, that's ok, you don't have to apologize. You didn't burst my bubble. We like our beautiful north natural the way it is. Down south we get all 4 seasons, which is agriculturally important&can be done without having to cross the border.
@ammarios no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we wanted to >>end impressment<< (mainly, as the other reason was stopping british support of indians). The easiest way to make the British stop impressing american sailors was decided to be to take part of canada and then give it back to britain with the condition that Britain end it's impressment on the high seas. We FAILED to accomplish that goal yet SUCCEEDED in forcing the British to sign a treaty that promised an end to impressment
@Eddythebeast666 yeah i had never read the actual text of it (apparently you havent either?) and merely assumed that since impressment ended almost entirely around 1814 that was the cause.
@oJKBo Impressment ended before the war was declared by an act of Parliament in Britain. American merchants had a lot of influence in British Parliament working much the same way as Lobbyists do in the US congress.
The part of the reason it was done was as a means of diplomatic arm twisting to punish the US for the Louisiana Purchase with Napoleon & of course the desperate need for men for the war.
With Napoleons march in to Moscow in 1812 & the destruction of his army the need lessened.
@Eddythebeast666 impressment continued even after the war and didnt end until the napoleonic wars had almost ended, not before 1812, after...? impressment pissed off canadians too. impressment used to piss us off because of the louisiana purchase?? and youre getting your facts from...?
@oJKBo London on May 11, an assassin killed Prime Minister Spencer Perceval, which resulted in Lord Liverpool coming to power. Liverpool wanted a more practical relationship with the United States. He issued a repeal of the Orders in Council, but the U.S. was unaware of this, as it took three weeks for the news to cross the Atlantic.
That just exempted those who could prove American citizenship of course.
General Impresment of British citizens continued until the end of the Napoleonic wars.
@oJKBo Yes impressment, conscription, draft or any forced military service is abominable but every nation used it when it needed to.
Hell during the American Civil war the Northern Union Army kidnapped Canadians (We were still British at the time) to fill the ranks a practice called crimping.
Diplomatic pressure could be used to get any one important released from service.
Happened all the time. You can't force people to serve with out some times sweeping other people in to the ranks.
@Eddythebeast666 article 11? "This Treaty when the same shall have been ratified on both sides without alteration by either of the contracting parties, and the Ratifications mutually exchanged, shall be binding on both parties, and the Ratifications shall be exchanged at Washington in the space of four months from this day or sooner if practicable. In faith whereof, We the respective Plenipotentiaries have signed this Treaty, and have hereunto affixed our Seals."
The United States of America engage to put an end, immediately after the ratification of the present treaty, to hostilities with all the tribes or nations of Indians with whom they may be at war at the time of such ratification; and forthwith to restore to such tribes or nations, respectively, all the possessions, rights, and privileges which they may have enjoyed or been entitled to in one thousand eight hundred and eleven, previous to such hostilities.
@oJKBo Yes "ante bellum" Except the US ignored article IX not only refusing to restore Native lands but continuing to force further concessions. Not that Britain cared preferring to gobble up far more profitable colonies from France.
Even being only 30 years old the US had a history of ignoring treaties by this point unless a gun was to your heads.
Ether way for the US to sign that document was to admit defeat. No right to expand.
@Eddythebeast666 it says to give them what they had in 1811, a return to 1811 would be a return to settlements. No right to expand....yet it happened anyway?
@Eddythebeast666 "Provided always that such Tribes or Nations shall agree to desist from all hostilities against the United States of America, their Citizens, and Subjects upon the Ratification of the present Treaty being notified to such Tribes or Nations, and shall so desist accordingly." "look up the Creek War"
@oJKBo one word trumps anything you can say. OIL! you grub from other countries, invade others. start wars. plant WMDs and still think that you contain the most amount of oil. nope. chuck testa.
@AnotherProGamer what about oil? grub from other countries? Excuse me, but if you're going to complain about america going around fighting wars all over the place then when it comes to world wars 1 and 2 you should keep your fucking mouths shut. Yes, we plant WMD's and then proceed to never 'discover' them. Sorry, we produce well over twice as much oil than canada, you just have more of it--but guess what? id rather have a better, more diverse climate and landscape than a load of black goo
@oJKBo You do realise that in both wars the US came in last when, like all the fighting was starting to end. And if you have THAT much oil why is the US constantly fighting middle eartern countries for their oil supply?
@danielradcliffegirl You realiZe that the wars were not fucking winding down, one would enter into a stalement as russia left and the other was just getting started with virtually nothing to face the japanese and much of europe under axis control. Because we use a fucking lot. Inferiority complex has given rise to ignorant solidarity as seen in the ignorant comments by ammarios where he states that the US just decided to take canada randomly and then britain declared war on us. BIG picture
@ammarios We lost the war in Iraq? hmmmm considering the fact that the wars still going on i dont see how weve 'lost'. lol beautiful north. We get all 4 seasons almost everywhere here lol, plus we can have the wet coasts of washington or maine, the deserts of arizona and nevada, the mountains of the rockies and appalachians, the tropics of florida (and puerto rico), and part of that 'beautiful north' without even needing a passport lol.
@ammarios seems a shame though, that canada's so 'beautiful' yet more tourists visit the US....AAAAASSSS WELL as 30,000 people naming it the coolest nationality--canadians were voted the 4th...most uncool lol.
@PoliceRPG Uh, the Brits were nowhere near during the war of 1812. Canada was a colony of the UK, but the US did not go overseas on wooden ships and attack the superpower at the time (who happened to be masters at naval wars). They attacked Canada. Then Mackenzie King went and led a bunch of guys to Washington and burned down the white house.
@PaddySnuffles To bring it together... The Brits DID have a military presence in Canada... That amounted to commanders and shoddy equipment. Most of it was the actual colonists, so yeah. Victory goes to Canada.
And really, calling it a British win, you might as well call the War of 1812 being between France and the Brits, considering their mutual fight.
@Apolloin Same place all the North American colonists were from, if you want to call place of origin. Britain.
But you don't quite have that excuse. See, Britain was kind of busy with another insane, power-mad dictator trying to take over the world... Napoleon.
So when it comes down to it, you can either see the War of 1812 as Canadian troops versus American troops... Or take a step back and call it Britain versus the FRENCH, since they supplied naval and resource support for you.
@ammarios The US invaded canada because they believed it would be easy and force england to stop its impressment on the high seas, that is a FACT, F A C T. We get water from things called oceans and lakes which we have? Canada supplies less than 9% of our energy. We share a power grid you retard, we would both be fine without it. Notice how we have american canada in alaska, and no one lives there. A lot like canada, large, but no one wants to live in that shitty environment
@oJKBo Ok, I thought that I was going to have a conversation with someone who actually read up on stuff and knew a thing or two, but your asinine comments about the water and energy are proving otherwise..and once you start with the ad-hominem, you clearly have nothing rational to say.
Here's an idea : stop buying our natural resources.
Whatever the reasoning was, they wanted to do it by 'taking Canada'..and they failed.
@ammarios Yeah lol, nothing rational to say, except all the facts aforementioned which you choose to ignore because your pride would be hurt if you realized canada needed two other powers to save it from us. IF YOU FAIL >>>>1<<<< OBJECTIVE IN A WAR THAT DOESNT MEAN YOU LOSE. AND SO I ASK YOU, THE RIGHT HONOURABLE FUCKTARD, "WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE US TO DECLARE WAR ON /GREAT BRITAIN/ AND TAKE CANADA?" AND "DID THE US END WHAT IT SET OUT TO STOP?"
@ammarios furthermore, there was a large amount of american loyalists who had fled to canada and our leaders thought we would attain significant support from them
@ammarios you canadians are fucking retarded, first you say you burnt down the white house which is factually untrue, then you call americans rednecks. Apparently you people are too fucking retarded to realize that redneck applies to people of the US South, which didnt do shit the whole war aside from beating the British at New Orleans. lose how?? WE STOPPED IMPRESSMENT!! THAT WAS THE GOAL!!! HOW DO YOU LOSE BY ACCOMPLISHING YOUR GOAL?? YOU CAN LOSE A MILLION BATTLES, THE WAR IS WHAT COUNTS
@oJKBo@oJKBo "Cold is for faggots and idiots"... BWHAHAHAA... WOW! Your logic is amazing. Because THAT makes alot of sense... (by the way, that is called sarcasm).
Anyways, have fun living in your overcrowded smaller country with insurance companies whose goal is to maximize their profits by providing as LITTLE healthcare that they can get away with.
You can use all the ad-hominem and capital letters and cuss words you like. Your country lost. Get over it.
The war in Iraq is still going on, and neither side has won it. & if you guys realized that Canada was only Toronto (which it was not at that time), than why didn't you occupy it, Upper and Lower Canada combined was about the size of the United States at that time, so what your saying is that the Americans stupidly decided to leave the most rich and futile part of North America and not double their tarratory because they were lazy. Your revisionist bullshit astounds me.
@ammarios In a nutshell, the Americans attacked, and their objective was, to dumb it down, "take over Canada" Britain defended itself and even attacked back, Britain drove the rednecks back to the south where they belong..it started not far from Quebec..and who does Quebec belong to at this moment? Canada. The USA and Britain signed the Treaty of Ghent, factually neither side won. Things were essentially as they were ante bellum.
Now now guys, we all know that it was a tie. We don't need to go into sources, so unfortunately we don't know who exactly won. It's a tie, and remember:
@ShayisWY at least out troops managed to land on the correct beaches during D-day, and while your army was busy dieing we took our beaches the fastest despite that the defenses were just as strong as the beaches that you landed on by mistake also without the Canadians the US troops would have been wiped out in the Italian campaign of WWII our experience from Africa helped us aid your useless army win in Italy
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@thedamager16 Your comment is so dumb and idiotic I don't even know where to begin. Americans did land on the right beaches. Americans also did more than Canada on Dday. Juno Beach - Lets start by Saying Canadians served as imbedded with the Brits and served under Brit Commander Crocker. Canadian Commander actually did have command of Juno until around July, Well after the fact. Juno beach was not "Heavily" defended. Juno beach had inferior German defense Weoponary and over 1/2 the mines failed
@ShayisWY Juno Was The 2nd Heaviest Fortified Position & Was Taken With 1 Thousand Men. That's Pretty Good. I'm Not Saying What The Other Guy Said Is Correct, I'm Just Saying What Your Saying Is Wrong. A Pillbox Is A Pillbox. Thanks For Crediting Our Anti-Mining Flotillas, They Where Pretty Good Weren't They? They Saved A Lot Of Lives. All The Allies Worked Hard & Operation Overlord Was Successful. All The Soldiers From All 3 Countries On That Day Are Heroes.
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@MapleBalls It was not the second most heavily defended beach, the mines around the beach suffered over a 50% failure rate. Many mines were the inferior Teller mines. The Canadians did not disable the minest. The mines failed at over 50%..
@ShayisWY You Should Think About What Your Saying. Across The Whole Beach, Which Is Over 1 000 km Long, Of Guns, Anti Air/Tank Guns Pillboxes, Cement Walls & Landmines, The Area That Canadians Take Have Totally Different Landmines, Weaker Pillboxes & Different Troops Who Arn't Allowed To Counter Attack. Thats The Most Ridiculous Thing Ive Ever Heard. You Should Maybe Learn Some More History. Why Not Find One Of These Documentaries With Proof & Post It So We Can All Learn From You, Professor.
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@MapleBalls Juno Beach is not a 1000km long. you idiot . The length of coast line from Saint-Marlo to Brugge is just over 1000km so how the fuck can Juno Beach can be 1000km long. The Rio Grande do Sul is the longest beach in the World at 157 miles so please do tell us how Juno is 1000km long.
Sorry If what offends you, but the truth it what it is. German mines suffered over a 50% failure rate at Juno. See CMHQ Report 34 and Canadian Army Historical Section Report No. 41
@ShayisWY Read Slower & More Carefully. I Didn't Say Juno Beach. I Used The Number 1 000km Because It Is A Small Fraction Of The Length Of The Atlantic Wall, Which Was All The Way Around The Side Of France. So Now That Ive Broken It Down For You, Answer Why Juno Beach Had Different Mines, Pillboxes & Armed Forces Then The Other Allies Dealt With. My Previous Comments Were About The Anti-Ship Mines. If Your Talking About The Land Mines, Then I Can Argue That The Air/Ship Bombardments Worked.
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@MapleBalls 50% of the mines failed. The Germans were ordered not to counterattack for 24 hours. Clearly some did disobey, but this led to a disorganized counterattack. This is noted in the Canadian Military historical documents.
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@Eddythebeast666 I destroyed your sense of national pride and shall I gone on again about the lies I caught you in. Funny as you still cannot muster a single rebutal to me.
@MapleBalls He is not making an argument. He is a troll & I'd thought he gave up on this video. I wish like hell he would at least stick to the subject.
@Eddythebeast666 lol this is fucking hilarious;"I destroyed your sense of national pride"..only a dumbass American would think that they are somehow powerful enough to "destroy one's sense of national pride" through a youtube video comment.... Growing up, I lived in Dubai and a few cities in Europe... the common knowledge there was that Canada won in 1812...we even burned The White House down... lol and at least we HAVE national pride as opposed to a FALSE sense of national pride, eh?
@ammarios He lost the argument about 1812 so changed the topic to attack any & all Canadian accomplishments. Frankly by attacking Canadians he does more to unite us much like the war of 1812. I've made lots of friends dealing with him. Please note he doesn't say what lies I've supposed to have said. I started to copy paste replies to him because he just repeats the same distortions & really isn't worth the effort of debunking more then he has been already.
@MapleBalls Germans were ordered not to counterattack Canadians for up to 24 hours at Juno Beach. Canadian Army Historical Section Report No. 50 "The Campaign in North-West Europe Information From German Sources Part II: Invasion and Battle of Normandy (6 Jun - 22 August 44)" Page M21
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@thedamager16 Additionally the Germans at Juno were ordered not to counterattack for 24 hours as some historians put it ""less serious opposition". Canadians did not win Italy, your taking a handfull of sucesses as being responsible for liberating all of Italy you fucktard.
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@thedamager16 "useless army" Lets go over the facts. Canada, Britain, and allies.prior to the US entering the war lost all of mainland Europe and were struggling in a defensive war to save Great Britain. Every single attempt to take back mainland Europe failed miserabley. The Japanese had defeated the Canadians and British in every engagement in the Pacific. Essentially Nazism and the Japanese Imperial Army were winning. This was all reversed, mainly due to the American involvement
although the battle occured after the treaty, the majority of forces in america were not even aware that the treaty was signed. they continued to fight and the result of the battle of new orleans was an American victory. the war consisted of various battles that ultimately ended in a stalement, with no major advances on either side.
Yes, victory goes to those who achieve their objectives. America prooved for the first time that it was not a small nation but one that could defend itself.
@Dtwaine Not really. New Orleans had mostly French defenders, some Natives, Slaves from Haiti, Pirates. You are taking one badly organizes British assault which should have retreated & reorganized its attack when things started to go wrong but due your luck in taking out the commander turned in to a blood bath. The Battle of Ft. Bowyer (British Victory) came after that which would have been a staging ground for a 2nd assault on New Orleans. Nothing was proven of American merit.
no it was a tie. neither side made any substantial advantages throughout the war. land was taken and then taken back. Both sides took each other's land but it was pretty much a stalemate.
That's why they agreed on upon status quo ante bellum. And no the US wasn't going to be crushed. They won the Battle of New Orleans before the treaty was signed which was a huge loss to the British. Even though jackson was outnumbered he still defeated them anyways.
@Dtwaine The Battle of New Orleans was AFTER the treaty & completely irrelevant. The last battle of the war before the signing was the Battle of Lundys lane 25 July 1814 which was a blood bath but one of the few rare times Britain respected the performance of American troops because you kept fighting in spite of terrible losses.
Victory goes to those who achieve their objectives.
@Eddythebeast666 by that logic, the USA won vietnam, because the goal was to stop the north from taking the south, and the US did that. The south fell after the US left
@Dtwaine The problem with saying "it was a tie" is that, had the US been negotiated peace when George Prevost approached them with an armistice in August 1812 when the British had ordered a stop to impressment (which the US had claimed to be the reason for the war) then the peace treaty would have been pretty much the same and they would have returned to the statue quo. The War forced the British to concede nothing - the only major outcome was the collapse of Tecumseh's confederation of tribes.
Briton hadn't wanted to get involved as they were sort of busy with Napoleon & really didn't appreciate the distraction.
Kind of funny the US got such a beating to end up with exactly what they started with but hey if that is a tie in your minds sure. What ever makes you happy. #LOL
@Dtwaine No it was not a tie the British wanted to end it because they ran out of money .If the USA did not agree to stop aggression the British would have killed civilians along the northern states .It was no choice end the war or the northern states would been owned by Britain.
everybody shayiswf is going through tough times because he just realize that since he is a chink he is going to live the rest of his pathetic life alone and so maybe we shouldn't make fun of him, hahahaha even though it's pretty fuckin hilarious but is picking on a loser the right thing to do? we are bullying him, hahahahaha i can't say it, so funny, hahahahahaha because he is a loser hahahahaha i'm sorry can't keep a straight face hahahahaha
@ShayisWY I see how you have already deleted your own messages, the ones you sent me last night, is it because you realized you were wrong and that you found some "sources" that proved you wrong? you probably erased them to avoid some humiliation, well that's good, there you go there's a step in the right direction, the next step for you is to completely stop this life of trolling on youtube and get a job you useless chink, chinks are suppose to be good with math well maybe accounting is right
@ShayisWY you know, the usa is the one who came late to the war while it was already practically done, and who the fuck would want to fight the chinks in japan i mean they put anybody into the army ok even women and children, little chinks like you don't know how to fight so we let the retarded americans have that easy job
have you ever seen a map of the countries of canada and the US who fought in this war
why should anyone west of the mississipi care
lowaces 3 days ago
Canada. Best nation on earth :)
Gammodore 1 week ago
I don't deny that Canadians did assist British forces in keeping the expansionist Americans from taking over their country. But to say that Canadians were responsible for burning Washington? Canadians were ALLIED with those who burnt down the White House, that's the extent of it. You can't take credit for that and then turn around and deny any involvement with the British forces who were routed in the Louisiana bayous in 1815. (I doubt a single Canadian was in either D.C. or NOLA then!)
jerseydevs2000 2 weeks ago
@jerseydevs2000 funny I cant seem to remember where i always see that smeared and overly stretched ideology from hm... taking some that was accomplished by 99.9% hard work of others and .01% effort of that one sole person and they take all the credit for such accomplishment for example WWII without the russians forget it Germany would still be adorned with black and red flags
stefrockets 2 days ago
@stefrockets actually every conflict pretty much that you guys "won" was with great help and effort from other nations OH RIGHT I REMEMBER NOW YOU AMERICANS!
stefrockets 2 days ago
@stefrockets You're mostly right, but I can think of a few that were all about the USA. 1) The American Revolution (with some help from France and Spain, but not a lot) 2) The Mexican-American War. 3) The Civil War - err does this count? The USA beat the CSA and there are still lots of sore losers down South so hell yeah it does! 4) The Spanish-American War.
jerseydevs2000 2 days ago
@stefrockets While I disagree with my fellow Americans who seem to think we won WWII by ourselves, to say that the Allies could've done it WITHOUT the help of the US is absurd revisionism. You could make that argument about WWI where Pershing & the AEF were "over there" for a French holiday, but not WWII. Maybe the Soviets could've done it by themselves, but then continental Europe might still be a communist paradise. And the Pacific war was definitely 75% USA, 25% UK/ANZAC/Canada.
jerseydevs2000 2 days ago
@jerseydevs2000 China kept Japan very busy in the pacific theater of WW2 even if nothing more then forcing them to shoot wave after wave after wave of them.
Also The British gave the design of the Bomb to the USA which ultimately forced the surrender.
With those 2 factors added I'm not sure the percentages you worked out give due credit.
Eddythebeast666 2 days ago
@Eddythebeast666 I concede your point on China, but not the bomb. If the British "gave the design of the bomb" to the USA, why didn't they threaten Hitler with it in the European front? British scientists might have come up with the scientific breakthrough that made an atomic bomb theoretically possible and gave THAT information to the Americans, but the final design and testing were all thanks to resources based in the USA.
jerseydevs2000 2 days ago
@jerseydevs2000 The British had the advantage of scientists who escaped the Nazi take over of Europe.
"British scientists worked initially alone on the atomic bomb under the cover name of Tube Alloys, later becoming a partner in the tri-national Manhattan Project under the Quebec Agreement. The Manhattan Project resulted in the two nuclear weapons dropped over Japan."
Eddythebeast666 2 days ago
@jerseydevs2000 Nor did Britain have the resources to build the thing.
I'm not sure why Canada was involved. Common ground I guess. Or secrecy maybe.
Canada has been the primary supplier of uranium for NATO though I know most members have their own in nation sources.
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TheRealColiboy 3 weeks ago
It turns out now even Americans acknowledged loss. Now Hollywood has to produce a few more movies explaining to a dull-film-going public that the Allied forces were in fact long at it in WWII before the US got involved, and that the Russians essentially kicked Nazi ass. This is not to belittle America's efforts in the war; they fought the good fight--but remember: ALONGSIDE the other Allies.
bartonim 2 months ago
Here is the deal.
The USA does not invade Canada even though it has oil only because they are both part of the UN.
Also the USA does not invade because Canada is a Christian majority country and is "civilized."
Plus Canada sells oil to the USA anyways so why make a big fuss, right?
Everyone trying to argue who is better and who is more powerful needs to get their head out of their ass and shut the fuck up.
We are allies and that is that.
Baboonaiih 2 months ago
@Baboonaiih That's not why at all.
Invading Canada would be a military nightmare (the weather), would shatter the U.S. economy (biggest trading partner), ruin the U.S. air defence system from day one (NORAD is joint, and the HQ shares the building with USNORTHCOM), would be a diplomatic nightmare (seriously, you invaded Canada?), and would be a political disaster (seriously, you invaded Canada?), Canada has actual WMD capability and some of the best trained soldiers.
rpottage 2 months ago
@rpottage My comment was controversial because I was being racist and prejudice.
The point of my comment was to see who would respond appropriately.
You passed :)
Baboonaiih 2 months ago
Just another attempt to take something clearly British and turn it into something Canadian. FAKE BRITS
Dslater417 3 months ago
@Dslater417 Actually, back in 1812 that's what our military wore because we were still a colony of Britain. Dumbass.
PaddySnuffles 2 months ago
It was a victory for British North America and in turn led to the survival of it and what would later lead to the confederation of the colonies into Canada. If the U.S. had succeeded the early colonists would have been amalgamated into the republic. Canada has since remained independent and has kept its constitutional monarchy and parliament and its inherited British laws and customs. God Save the Queen and God bless Canada.
Prairielander 1 month ago
@Dslater417 Haha funny. So true too. Wanna know what else would be fun? Lets go take everything that Stephan Colbert/Jon Stewart say seriously too. Seeing as they are all political pundits.
loowoo0 1 month ago
Well, Canada burnt down the White house...if that's not a victory...
Teen0o0Icarus 3 months ago 4
@Windegowally I do hope you are not suggesting that Canada become allies to those wacky Arab states? The fact that the US has not invaded Canada is proof that the "Its all for oil" crowd doesn't know what they are talking about. But I know there are a lot of loony lefties who just like to US bash to no end. Hell there are thousands of US born loony lefties that do nothing but US bash.
MegaWolfgang 3 months ago
@Windegowally Your nation and mine, (Canadian) can't march down to Washington and burn the White House again. The Americans have gotten a little better at the playing war game since 1812. If the US ever tries to take Canada by force again it will only take them about 3 weeks. Hell Alberta would probably be on their side. The US is the last supper power on the planet really. So you tell me how do a people like us whom sit a the kitty table with Iceland tell a super power to be humble.
MegaWolfgang 3 months ago
@Windegowally french? congrats. now you are an idiot in TWO languges. canada did win war of 1812, you wasn't even apart of it. learn some history. Vietnam was a war between north and south vietnam which the south were winning until we decided to leave ( we won ). iraq? the goal was a regime change, that's what we did. war 1812? to send a messege to uk that we weren't going to allow them to interfer with our trade to france. that what we did.
mrfwest 3 months ago
@mrfwest Troll
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Jethromcsheepherder 3 months ago
@mrfwest I'm just fucking with ya...not meant seriously. The retarded comment was supposed to goto that windegowally..sorry...
Jethromcsheepherder 3 months ago
@Windegowally yes, you should rest your case. you are an idiot
mrfwest 3 months ago
@Windegowally everything i said was correct. you are an idiot to disagree. canada is an isecure, culturaless nation that continue to make false / baseless claims to make you guys feel better.
there is no need for me spew insult because unkike you ... everything i said is true. everything you think you know, everything canada says is about war of 1812 ( or history in general ) is a complete lie
mrfwest 3 months ago
Canada has the $ to have big fancy parties for the wars we *actually* won!!
OpiatedBliss 3 months ago
People the facts are this before the US revolution we were one people, Britains North American Colonies whom fought a 7 year long war against Frances North American Colonies. France lost. Later some of Britain's Colonies rebelled creating the United States. The revolution founded the American identity. Just a few years later. 1812, US attempt to take all Brit territory fails, War of 1812 founded the Canadian Identity. Two young nations which started as enemies become great friends and allies..
MegaWolfgang 3 months ago
Canadians have no sense of history.
american went to war with england over"impressment, and disturbing trades with france. all historians agree to that. i don't even understand why canada claim participation to that war?
mrfwest 4 months ago
@mrfwest Because America invaded the British North American colonies (now Canada) and a fair few of the participants were Canadian born
aspiringdrummer17 4 months ago
@mrfwest cause it was our people who fought?
hunter2979 4 months ago
@hunter2979 no, it wasn't
mrfwest 4 months ago
@mrfwest Uh... because the Americans decided to attack the uk by attacking Canada, which was a British colony? Do you really think your ships went all the way across the sea to fight the naval power at the time? How would that even work? How would they have enough supplies? Btw, historians agree that they DID attack Canada. Because there's physical evidence and historical accounts of various battles.
PaddySnuffles 4 months ago
Canada is not america, and we burnt the white house which means victory for Canada/Britain.
MostDopeGaming 4 months ago
Funny how Americans are always trying to claim victory in wars they didn't win:
American Revolution - technically a win for France since French regulars outnumbered American "Revolutionaries" in the last year of the war. Neat trick that: claiming victory after your army quit.
WW1 - by the time the Americans arrived the surrender was being negotiated
WW2 - late to the party, delayed the ending by 9 months
Korea - tie
Vietnam - oops, only a "police action" (wink,wink)
Iraq 1 + 2 -TBA
Afghanistan?
FatFred2U 7 months ago 20
Clearly Canada didn't exist in 1812. THe BRITISH won the war.
Dslater417 7 months ago
@Dslater417 Canada was British.
Still is. Same Queen.
God save the Queen!
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
She has no power. We're not British.
CanadianGuerrilla 7 months ago
@CanadianGuerrilla We have distanced ourselves some what from our British origins & are fully independent but we have never rejected our British heritage.
Eddythebeast666 7 months ago
@Eddythebeast666
Maybe you haven't. And we're not all of British heritage. But yes they did nurture us, and I see you're point.
CanadianGuerrilla 7 months ago
@Dslater417
Um it was Canadian Militia and Provincial Regulars along with Natives and British Regulars, who were all hugely important.
CanadianGuerrilla 7 months ago
Sorry Americans, you may be partially right. It wasnt just the war of 1812 you lost. That was your second failed attempt. The first time you tried you were owned by Governor Frontnac.
Source: w w w histori ca /minutes/minute. do? id=10129
lavalois09 8 months ago 6
Well if we had lost the Us would be using the pound. Good thing we won.
TheIceman567 9 months ago
@TheIceman567 And if we had lost Canada would be using the US dollar.
dave19941000 6 months ago
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TheIceman567 6 months ago
You already are just like Bermuda it's Canada's Reserve currency. And you use 90% of American Weapons.. And you use 90% of American Weapons. Please learn you country's history It was a Great American victory/
TheIceman567 6 months ago
@TheIceman567 Everyone has a reserve currency. China has the USD, the UK has the Euro, ect. And we dont use 90% American Weapons, we build our own. Yes we do use some, but 90% is built by us.
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TheIceman567 6 months ago
@TheIceman567 We buy our submarines from the UK, but we build the rest of our fleet. And you babysit us, HA. The 2000 soldiers we have in Afganistan have shown that Canadian regular infantry are superior to US special forces 9dont belive me, ask any US general who served in Afganistan). Babysitting my ass.
dave19941000 6 months ago
@dave19941000 Yeah those 2,00 Troops pulled out. And were get this Johnny were under US command. And even RM said That the US guards Canada just find the one where he is in Afghanistan. You're welcome for the protection.
TheIceman567 6 months ago
@TheIceman567 Where pulling out because we said years ago that 2011 was when we pull out. The US does give us some protection due to proximity but we have proven in 3 invasion attempts and 7 wars abroud that we can defend ourselves if a threat arrises.
dave19941000 6 months ago
@dave19941000 No you first those were the British. Not Canada and even RM (A Canadian) said we protect you.
TheIceman567 6 months ago
@TheIceman567 So Canadian born British soldiers who fought off 3 invasions, fought in the Boar wars, WW1, WW2, Korea, and Afganistan are British, how stupid are you. And do you not understand the consept of comedy, because thats what RM does.
dave19941000 6 months ago
@dave19941000 All war Canadians were fighting under anther countries command. Please learn your country's history. Hey RM said it not me.
TheIceman567 6 months ago
@TheIceman567 It was still our people fighting. And WW1 we fought as our own entity, and before WW2 we where already independent. Just because we where not our own country at the time, it was still our people who fought and on.
dave19941000 6 months ago
@dave19941000 No agreed but before 1947 Canadians were still classed as Canadians.
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@dave19941000 Still use it. You don't make shit the British give you your ships and your whole Air force is made up of nothing but American made F-18 Hornets. And we have to baby sit you you nowadays.
TheIceman567 6 months ago
Rick Mercer likes to celebrate Canada's victory (well, Britain's technically let's be honest) over the US in 1812 yet at the same time wants to abolish the very thing those 1812 Canadians fought against the Americans for (to remain a Monarchy).
B21983 9 months ago
@B21983 Yeah I was put off when Rick bitched about the Monarchy as well. Hard to tell if he is always serious with his rants or just looking for easy targets as material.
I assume he writes his own material not just a mouth piece
Eddythebeast666 9 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 john stewart has a team of writers
audiophile1987 9 months ago
In a nutshell, the Americans attacked, and their objective was, to dumb it down, "take over Canada" ..... Canada defended itself and even attacked back, Canada drove the rednecks back to the south where they belong.... it started not far from Quebec..and who does Quebec belong to at this moment?? Canada. The redneck objective to "take over Canada" = failed. Meaning: Canada won the war. Simple as that. The U.S.A is the ONLY country I've been in that actually even ATTEMPTS to say the rednecks won
ammarios 10 months ago 22
@ammarios there was no Canada in 1812, im also a Canadian i think i should note b4 i get called a dumb american.
draconite420 6 months ago
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oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo Exactly :-)
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios wait...
oJKBo 5 months ago
@ammarios In a nutshell, the Americans attacked, and their objective was, to dumb it down, "take over Canada" Britain defended itself and even attacked back, Britain drove the rednecks back to the south where they belong..it started not far from Quebec..and who does Quebec belong to at this moment? Canada. The USA and Britain signed the Treaty of Ghent, factually neither side won. Things were essentially as they were ante bellum.
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo Well, the way I see it, The American attempt to "take over Quebec" failed, hence Britain/Canada won.
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios oh, so even though both sides agreed to stop fighting somehow one side won? the only people to win or lose were the indians who lost lol. By the way, we only wanted the shitty land up north to bargain with england. You put our goal as taking quebec--our goal was to end british support for indian raids and an end to naval impressment, both of which were attained at Ghent (although the british continued to impress our sailors for a while longer)
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo The Americans wanted the land for themselves..they failed. Simple as that. You can attempt to justify it with whatever reasoning you want, but 'taking the land" was the goal.
Also, the 'shitty land up north' supplies a huge portion of your water, hydroelectricity &a whole bunch of other stuff (not to mention Canada is the US's biggest oil supplier/trading partner)..without Canada, a good portion of U.S would be without water & electricity. Canada/Quebec are full of natural resources.
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios what youre saying is semi equivalent to saying the japanese would have lost wwii simply because they failed to take the aleutian islands. The US DID NOT go to war to get canada, in fact we never would have touched it had you pussies created an independent state. We ONLY wanted it because it was British and controlling it would allow us to force the British to stop impressing sailors and supporting the indians. Taking the land was A goal, stopping impressment was THE goal
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo As was said, victory goes to whoever achieves their goal: Ultimately, the rednecks wanted to take over Canada. They failed. The British drove the rednecks out (and speaking of "pussies", one of the reasons a big portion of the redneck 'soldiers' fled back was because they couldn't handle the cold), burnt down their whitehouse, and, Quebec is a Canadian province, which is a member of the British Commonwealth. You can attempt to spin it in any way to make yourself feel better, but you lost.
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios EXACTLY, BRITAIN SIGNED A TREATY SAYING THEY WOULD END IMPRESSMENT OF OUR SAILORS------I FUCKING E WE ACHIEVED OUR GOAL. NO, WE DIDNT WANT TO TAKE OVER CANAD YOU FUCKING IDIOT, WE WANTED PART OF IT TO FORCE THE BRITISH TO RE-EXAMINE THEIR NAVAL POLICIES. COLD IS FOR FAGGOTS AND IDIOTS WHICH IS WHY NO ONE LIVES IN CANADA.
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo "Cold is for faggots and idiots"... BWHAHAHAA... WOW! Your logic is amazing. Because THAT makes alot of sense... (by the way, that is called sarcasm).
Anyways, have fun living in your overcrowded smaller country with insurance companies whose goal is to maximize their profits by providing as LITTLE healthcare that they can get away with.
You can use all the ad-hominem and capital letters and cuss words you like. Your country lost. Get over it.
ammarios 5 months ago 42
@ammarios lol you act like that 30 million is spread all over, but even you settle (wait for it....) right next to the US border, most canadians live right next to us. lol sorry to burst your bubble but we dont live in tokyo, we have plenty of room where i live. lol ill admit the US lost if you can explain how a country can lose a war by accomplishing it's objectives. The US wanted to stop impressment (goal) by taking part of canada and then bargaining it away (way to reach said goal)
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo They wanted to take Canada, but they failed. They failed to achieve their expansionist objectives (under whatever pre-text you want to label it) - (just like going into Iraq had nothing to do with the country's natural resources, I guess). They lost.
Also, that's ok, you don't have to apologize. You didn't burst my bubble. We like our beautiful north natural the way it is. Down south we get all 4 seasons, which is agriculturally important&can be done without having to cross the border.
ammarios 5 months ago 34
@ammarios no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we wanted to >>end impressment<< (mainly, as the other reason was stopping british support of indians). The easiest way to make the British stop impressing american sailors was decided to be to take part of canada and then give it back to britain with the condition that Britain end it's impressment on the high seas. We FAILED to accomplish that goal yet SUCCEEDED in forcing the British to sign a treaty that promised an end to impressment
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo No treaty was signed to end Impressment & artical XI of the Ghent treaty clearly states you were to return Native lands.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 yeah i had never read the actual text of it (apparently you havent either?) and merely assumed that since impressment ended almost entirely around 1814 that was the cause.
oJKBo 4 months ago
@oJKBo Impressment ended before the war was declared by an act of Parliament in Britain. American merchants had a lot of influence in British Parliament working much the same way as Lobbyists do in the US congress.
The part of the reason it was done was as a means of diplomatic arm twisting to punish the US for the Louisiana Purchase with Napoleon & of course the desperate need for men for the war.
With Napoleons march in to Moscow in 1812 & the destruction of his army the need lessened.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 impressment continued even after the war and didnt end until the napoleonic wars had almost ended, not before 1812, after...? impressment pissed off canadians too. impressment used to piss us off because of the louisiana purchase?? and youre getting your facts from...?
oJKBo 4 months ago
@oJKBo London on May 11, an assassin killed Prime Minister Spencer Perceval, which resulted in Lord Liverpool coming to power. Liverpool wanted a more practical relationship with the United States. He issued a repeal of the Orders in Council, but the U.S. was unaware of this, as it took three weeks for the news to cross the Atlantic.
That just exempted those who could prove American citizenship of course.
General Impresment of British citizens continued until the end of the Napoleonic wars.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@oJKBo Yes impressment, conscription, draft or any forced military service is abominable but every nation used it when it needed to.
Hell during the American Civil war the Northern Union Army kidnapped Canadians (We were still British at the time) to fill the ranks a practice called crimping.
Diplomatic pressure could be used to get any one important released from service.
Happened all the time. You can't force people to serve with out some times sweeping other people in to the ranks.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 article 11? "This Treaty when the same shall have been ratified on both sides without alteration by either of the contracting parties, and the Ratifications mutually exchanged, shall be binding on both parties, and the Ratifications shall be exchanged at Washington in the space of four months from this day or sooner if practicable. In faith whereof, We the respective Plenipotentiaries have signed this Treaty, and have hereunto affixed our Seals."
oJKBo 4 months ago
@oJKBo My mistake article IX.
The United States of America engage to put an end, immediately after the ratification of the present treaty, to hostilities with all the tribes or nations of Indians with whom they may be at war at the time of such ratification; and forthwith to restore to such tribes or nations, respectively, all the possessions, rights, and privileges which they may have enjoyed or been entitled to in one thousand eight hundred and eleven, previous to such hostilities.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 yes, the entire agreement was essentially to return to the way things were ante bellum
oJKBo 4 months ago
@oJKBo Yes "ante bellum" Except the US ignored article IX not only refusing to restore Native lands but continuing to force further concessions. Not that Britain cared preferring to gobble up far more profitable colonies from France.
Even being only 30 years old the US had a history of ignoring treaties by this point unless a gun was to your heads.
Ether way for the US to sign that document was to admit defeat. No right to expand.
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 it says to give them what they had in 1811, a return to 1811 would be a return to settlements. No right to expand....yet it happened anyway?
oJKBo 4 months ago
@oJKBo The US returned nothing to Natives look up the Creek War
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
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@Eddythebeast666 "Provided always that such Tribes or Nations shall agree to desist from all hostilities against the United States of America, their Citizens, and Subjects upon the Ratification of the present Treaty being notified to such Tribes or Nations, and shall so desist accordingly." "look up the Creek War"
oJKBo 4 months ago
@oJKBo one word trumps anything you can say. OIL! you grub from other countries, invade others. start wars. plant WMDs and still think that you contain the most amount of oil. nope. chuck testa.
AnotherProGamer 3 months ago
@AnotherProGamer what about oil? grub from other countries? Excuse me, but if you're going to complain about america going around fighting wars all over the place then when it comes to world wars 1 and 2 you should keep your fucking mouths shut. Yes, we plant WMD's and then proceed to never 'discover' them. Sorry, we produce well over twice as much oil than canada, you just have more of it--but guess what? id rather have a better, more diverse climate and landscape than a load of black goo
oJKBo 3 months ago
@oJKBo You do realise that in both wars the US came in last when, like all the fighting was starting to end. And if you have THAT much oil why is the US constantly fighting middle eartern countries for their oil supply?
danielradcliffegirl 3 months ago
@danielradcliffegirl You realiZe that the wars were not fucking winding down, one would enter into a stalement as russia left and the other was just getting started with virtually nothing to face the japanese and much of europe under axis control. Because we use a fucking lot. Inferiority complex has given rise to ignorant solidarity as seen in the ignorant comments by ammarios where he states that the US just decided to take canada randomly and then britain declared war on us. BIG picture
oJKBo 3 months ago
@oJKBo You should work on your grammar and punctuation before you try to seem intelligent and/or make a point.
Baboonaiih 2 months ago
@AnotherProGamer love the windows and xbox360 logos on your profile picture, that made me laugh
oJKBo 3 months ago
@ammarios We lost the war in Iraq? hmmmm considering the fact that the wars still going on i dont see how weve 'lost'. lol beautiful north. We get all 4 seasons almost everywhere here lol, plus we can have the wet coasts of washington or maine, the deserts of arizona and nevada, the mountains of the rockies and appalachians, the tropics of florida (and puerto rico), and part of that 'beautiful north' without even needing a passport lol.
oJKBo 5 months ago
@ammarios seems a shame though, that canada's so 'beautiful' yet more tourists visit the US....AAAAASSSS WELL as 30,000 people naming it the coolest nationality--canadians were voted the 4th...most uncool lol.
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo 30,000 people? thats about 0.00000000000000001% of the world? you have no argument. plus the poll was probably rednecks.
AnotherProGamer 3 months ago
@ammarios neither canada nor america won it idiots it was the british who fought the war
PoliceRPG 3 months ago
@PoliceRPG Dude Canada is British. Same Queen.
Eddythebeast666 3 months ago
@PoliceRPG Uh, the Brits were nowhere near during the war of 1812. Canada was a colony of the UK, but the US did not go overseas on wooden ships and attack the superpower at the time (who happened to be masters at naval wars). They attacked Canada. Then Mackenzie King went and led a bunch of guys to Washington and burned down the white house.
PaddySnuffles 2 months ago
@PaddySnuffles To bring it together... The Brits DID have a military presence in Canada... That amounted to commanders and shoddy equipment. Most of it was the actual colonists, so yeah. Victory goes to Canada.
And really, calling it a British win, you might as well call the War of 1812 being between France and the Brits, considering their mutual fight.
UltimateKingSonic 1 month ago
@UltimateKingSonic - You do remember where all those colonists came from, right?
Apolloin 1 week ago
@Apolloin Same place all the North American colonists were from, if you want to call place of origin. Britain.
But you don't quite have that excuse. See, Britain was kind of busy with another insane, power-mad dictator trying to take over the world... Napoleon.
So when it comes down to it, you can either see the War of 1812 as Canadian troops versus American troops... Or take a step back and call it Britain versus the FRENCH, since they supplied naval and resource support for you.
UltimateKingSonic 1 week ago
@ammarios The US invaded canada because they believed it would be easy and force england to stop its impressment on the high seas, that is a FACT, F A C T. We get water from things called oceans and lakes which we have? Canada supplies less than 9% of our energy. We share a power grid you retard, we would both be fine without it. Notice how we have american canada in alaska, and no one lives there. A lot like canada, large, but no one wants to live in that shitty environment
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo Ok, I thought that I was going to have a conversation with someone who actually read up on stuff and knew a thing or two, but your asinine comments about the water and energy are proving otherwise..and once you start with the ad-hominem, you clearly have nothing rational to say.
Here's an idea : stop buying our natural resources.
Whatever the reasoning was, they wanted to do it by 'taking Canada'..and they failed.
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios Yeah lol, nothing rational to say, except all the facts aforementioned which you choose to ignore because your pride would be hurt if you realized canada needed two other powers to save it from us. IF YOU FAIL >>>>1<<<< OBJECTIVE IN A WAR THAT DOESNT MEAN YOU LOSE. AND SO I ASK YOU, THE RIGHT HONOURABLE FUCKTARD, "WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE US TO DECLARE WAR ON /GREAT BRITAIN/ AND TAKE CANADA?" AND "DID THE US END WHAT IT SET OUT TO STOP?"
oJKBo 5 months ago
@ammarios And considering the fact that we have 10x more people and less land, more people have come to the US.
oJKBo 5 months ago
@ammarios furthermore, there was a large amount of american loyalists who had fled to canada and our leaders thought we would attain significant support from them
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo Anywho, you can send a million replies back, but hey, whatever makes you feel better. The rednecks lost, that's a fact, simple as that.
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios you canadians are fucking retarded, first you say you burnt down the white house which is factually untrue, then you call americans rednecks. Apparently you people are too fucking retarded to realize that redneck applies to people of the US South, which didnt do shit the whole war aside from beating the British at New Orleans. lose how?? WE STOPPED IMPRESSMENT!! THAT WAS THE GOAL!!! HOW DO YOU LOSE BY ACCOMPLISHING YOUR GOAL?? YOU CAN LOSE A MILLION BATTLES, THE WAR IS WHAT COUNTS
oJKBo 5 months ago
@oJKBo @oJKBo "Cold is for faggots and idiots"... BWHAHAHAA... WOW! Your logic is amazing. Because THAT makes alot of sense... (by the way, that is called sarcasm).
Anyways, have fun living in your overcrowded smaller country with insurance companies whose goal is to maximize their profits by providing as LITTLE healthcare that they can get away with.
You can use all the ad-hominem and capital letters and cuss words you like. Your country lost. Get over it.
ammarios 5 months ago
@ammarios
the war in iraq was won in 2009, its been over for nearly 2 yrs now.
where the fuck do you get your news from
USMarineRifleman0311 5 months ago
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The war in Iraq is still going on, and neither side has won it. & if you guys realized that Canada was only Toronto (which it was not at that time), than why didn't you occupy it, Upper and Lower Canada combined was about the size of the United States at that time, so what your saying is that the Americans stupidly decided to leave the most rich and futile part of North America and not double their tarratory because they were lazy. Your revisionist bullshit astounds me.
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@ammarios
the war in iraq was won in 2009, its been over for nearly 2 yrs now.
where the fuck do you get your news from
USMarineRifleman0311 5 months ago
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@ammarios In a nutshell, the Americans attacked, and their objective was, to dumb it down, "take over Canada" Britain defended itself and even attacked back, Britain drove the rednecks back to the south where they belong..it started not far from Quebec..and who does Quebec belong to at this moment? Canada. The USA and Britain signed the Treaty of Ghent, factually neither side won. Things were essentially as they were ante bellum.
oJKBo 5 months ago
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oJKBo 5 months ago
Hahaha awesome
MmeLEnfer 10 months ago
And now this NWO shit threatens to kill you all, way to fucking go on the past victories of killing eachother.
101101101777 10 months ago
hahahahaha this is brilliant. as an american it's complete bollocks to say we won
MichaelCasanovaMusic 11 months ago 3
Now now guys, we all know that it was a tie. We don't need to go into sources, so unfortunately we don't know who exactly won. It's a tie, and remember:
The red coats are coming!
Casketta 11 months ago
@ShayisWY at least out troops managed to land on the correct beaches during D-day, and while your army was busy dieing we took our beaches the fastest despite that the defenses were just as strong as the beaches that you landed on by mistake also without the Canadians the US troops would have been wiped out in the Italian campaign of WWII our experience from Africa helped us aid your useless army win in Italy
thedamager16 11 months ago
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@thedamager16 Your comment is so dumb and idiotic I don't even know where to begin. Americans did land on the right beaches. Americans also did more than Canada on Dday. Juno Beach - Lets start by Saying Canadians served as imbedded with the Brits and served under Brit Commander Crocker. Canadian Commander actually did have command of Juno until around July, Well after the fact. Juno beach was not "Heavily" defended. Juno beach had inferior German defense Weoponary and over 1/2 the mines failed
ShayisWY 10 months ago
@ShayisWY Juno Was The 2nd Heaviest Fortified Position & Was Taken With 1 Thousand Men. That's Pretty Good. I'm Not Saying What The Other Guy Said Is Correct, I'm Just Saying What Your Saying Is Wrong. A Pillbox Is A Pillbox. Thanks For Crediting Our Anti-Mining Flotillas, They Where Pretty Good Weren't They? They Saved A Lot Of Lives. All The Allies Worked Hard & Operation Overlord Was Successful. All The Soldiers From All 3 Countries On That Day Are Heroes.
MapleBalls 10 months ago 2
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@MapleBalls It was not the second most heavily defended beach, the mines around the beach suffered over a 50% failure rate. Many mines were the inferior Teller mines. The Canadians did not disable the minest. The mines failed at over 50%..
There were more than 1000 involved btw
ShayisWY 10 months ago
@ShayisWY You Should Think About What Your Saying. Across The Whole Beach, Which Is Over 1 000 km Long, Of Guns, Anti Air/Tank Guns Pillboxes, Cement Walls & Landmines, The Area That Canadians Take Have Totally Different Landmines, Weaker Pillboxes & Different Troops Who Arn't Allowed To Counter Attack. Thats The Most Ridiculous Thing Ive Ever Heard. You Should Maybe Learn Some More History. Why Not Find One Of These Documentaries With Proof & Post It So We Can All Learn From You, Professor.
MapleBalls 10 months ago 6
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@MapleBalls Juno Beach is not a 1000km long. you idiot . The length of coast line from Saint-Marlo to Brugge is just over 1000km so how the fuck can Juno Beach can be 1000km long. The Rio Grande do Sul is the longest beach in the World at 157 miles so please do tell us how Juno is 1000km long.
Sorry If what offends you, but the truth it what it is. German mines suffered over a 50% failure rate at Juno. See CMHQ Report 34 and Canadian Army Historical Section Report No. 41
ShayisWY 10 months ago
@ShayisWY Read Slower & More Carefully. I Didn't Say Juno Beach. I Used The Number 1 000km Because It Is A Small Fraction Of The Length Of The Atlantic Wall, Which Was All The Way Around The Side Of France. So Now That Ive Broken It Down For You, Answer Why Juno Beach Had Different Mines, Pillboxes & Armed Forces Then The Other Allies Dealt With. My Previous Comments Were About The Anti-Ship Mines. If Your Talking About The Land Mines, Then I Can Argue That The Air/Ship Bombardments Worked.
MapleBalls 10 months ago 6
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@MapleBalls 50% of the mines failed. The Germans were ordered not to counterattack for 24 hours. Clearly some did disobey, but this led to a disorganized counterattack. This is noted in the Canadian Military historical documents.
ShayisWY 10 months ago
@ShayisWY We Burned Your Whitehouse down!! #LOL
Copy paste this comment in reply to all American trolls. Thumbs up.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago 9
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@Eddythebeast666 I destroyed your sense of national pride and shall I gone on again about the lies I caught you in. Funny as you still cannot muster a single rebutal to me.
ShayisWY 10 months ago
@ShayisWY Just Forget About It. You Cant Win The Argument, Besides, It Has Nothing To Do With The War Of 1812 Wich Is What This Video Is About.
MapleBalls 10 months ago 6
@MapleBalls He is not making an argument. He is a troll & I'd thought he gave up on this video. I wish like hell he would at least stick to the subject.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago 5
@Eddythebeast666 lol this is fucking hilarious;"I destroyed your sense of national pride"..only a dumbass American would think that they are somehow powerful enough to "destroy one's sense of national pride" through a youtube video comment.... Growing up, I lived in Dubai and a few cities in Europe... the common knowledge there was that Canada won in 1812...we even burned The White House down... lol and at least we HAVE national pride as opposed to a FALSE sense of national pride, eh?
ammarios 10 months ago 5
@ammarios He lost the argument about 1812 so changed the topic to attack any & all Canadian accomplishments. Frankly by attacking Canadians he does more to unite us much like the war of 1812. I've made lots of friends dealing with him. Please note he doesn't say what lies I've supposed to have said. I started to copy paste replies to him because he just repeats the same distortions & really isn't worth the effort of debunking more then he has been already.
Eddythebeast666 10 months ago 3
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@MapleBalls Germans were ordered not to counterattack Canadians for up to 24 hours at Juno Beach. Canadian Army Historical Section Report No. 50 "The Campaign in North-West Europe Information From German Sources Part II: Invasion and Battle of Normandy (6 Jun - 22 August 44)" Page M21
ShayisWY 10 months ago
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@thedamager16 Additionally the Germans at Juno were ordered not to counterattack for 24 hours as some historians put it ""less serious opposition". Canadians did not win Italy, your taking a handfull of sucesses as being responsible for liberating all of Italy you fucktard.
ShayisWY 10 months ago
@ShayisWY I Don't Think So.
MapleBalls 10 months ago 4
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@thedamager16 "useless army" Lets go over the facts. Canada, Britain, and allies.prior to the US entering the war lost all of mainland Europe and were struggling in a defensive war to save Great Britain. Every single attempt to take back mainland Europe failed miserabley. The Japanese had defeated the Canadians and British in every engagement in the Pacific. Essentially Nazism and the Japanese Imperial Army were winning. This was all reversed, mainly due to the American involvement
ShayisWY 10 months ago
although the battle occured after the treaty, the majority of forces in america were not even aware that the treaty was signed. they continued to fight and the result of the battle of new orleans was an American victory. the war consisted of various battles that ultimately ended in a stalement, with no major advances on either side.
Yes, victory goes to those who achieve their objectives. America prooved for the first time that it was not a small nation but one that could defend itself.
Dtwaine 11 months ago
@Dtwaine Not really. New Orleans had mostly French defenders, some Natives, Slaves from Haiti, Pirates. You are taking one badly organizes British assault which should have retreated & reorganized its attack when things started to go wrong but due your luck in taking out the commander turned in to a blood bath. The Battle of Ft. Bowyer (British Victory) came after that which would have been a staging ground for a 2nd assault on New Orleans. Nothing was proven of American merit.
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago
no it was a tie. neither side made any substantial advantages throughout the war. land was taken and then taken back. Both sides took each other's land but it was pretty much a stalemate.
That's why they agreed on upon status quo ante bellum. And no the US wasn't going to be crushed. They won the Battle of New Orleans before the treaty was signed which was a huge loss to the British. Even though jackson was outnumbered he still defeated them anyways.
Dtwaine 1 year ago
@Dtwaine The Battle of New Orleans was AFTER the treaty & completely irrelevant. The last battle of the war before the signing was the Battle of Lundys lane 25 July 1814 which was a blood bath but one of the few rare times Britain respected the performance of American troops because you kept fighting in spite of terrible losses.
Victory goes to those who achieve their objectives.
USA: Take Canada #FAIL
British: Defend Canada #FTW
Eddythebeast666 11 months ago 62
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we torched toronto and realized that was all there was to canada so we went back
USMarineRifleman0311 5 months ago
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@Eddythebeast666
we torched toronto and realized that was all there was to canada so we went back
USMarineRifleman0311 5 months ago
@Eddythebeast666 by that logic, the USA won vietnam, because the goal was to stop the north from taking the south, and the US did that. The south fell after the US left
so herp a derp
jimjamrocks 4 months ago
@jimjamrocks Canada didn't fall when Britain left, still Commonwealth, still the same Queen.
The Problem comes from expanding objectives. Mission creep.
Afghanistan kill Bin La din: Win
Destroy Al quada: mostly win
Prevent from ever returning: Are you nuts?
Iraq kill Saddam: Win
Install democracy: Mostly win
Prevent from becoming hostile to US interests: Good luck buddy.
Even when Britain had all the advantages early in the war there was never any demand for the US to submit to British rule
Eddythebeast666 4 months ago
@Dtwaine The problem with saying "it was a tie" is that, had the US been negotiated peace when George Prevost approached them with an armistice in August 1812 when the British had ordered a stop to impressment (which the US had claimed to be the reason for the war) then the peace treaty would have been pretty much the same and they would have returned to the statue quo. The War forced the British to concede nothing - the only major outcome was the collapse of Tecumseh's confederation of tribes.
11nytram11 11 months ago
it was technically a tie....
Dtwaine 1 year ago
@Dtwaine Not for Canada. It was a huge win.
Not for Natives. It was a loss.
Briton hadn't wanted to get involved as they were sort of busy with Napoleon & really didn't appreciate the distraction.
Kind of funny the US got such a beating to end up with exactly what they started with but hey if that is a tie in your minds sure. What ever makes you happy. #LOL
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@Dtwaine No it was not a tie the British wanted to end it because they ran out of money .If the USA did not agree to stop aggression the British would have killed civilians along the northern states .It was no choice end the war or the northern states would been owned by Britain.
Bryannia25 1 year ago
@Dtwaine USA failed to complete their objectives hence they lost.
ZuluDawn88 1 year ago
why are the 2 highest rated comment is fucking nipanese?
nilloc93 1 year ago
@nilloc93 You missed a 3 week campaign with an American troll ShayisWY who didn't like Rick claiming victory for Canada in 1812.
It got pretty weird. #LOL
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
everybody shayiswf is going through tough times because he just realize that since he is a chink he is going to live the rest of his pathetic life alone and so maybe we shouldn't make fun of him, hahahaha even though it's pretty fuckin hilarious but is picking on a loser the right thing to do? we are bullying him, hahahahaha i can't say it, so funny, hahahahahaha because he is a loser hahahahaha i'm sorry can't keep a straight face hahahahaha
1hugedik 1 year ago
@ShayisWY I see how you have already deleted your own messages, the ones you sent me last night, is it because you realized you were wrong and that you found some "sources" that proved you wrong? you probably erased them to avoid some humiliation, well that's good, there you go there's a step in the right direction, the next step for you is to completely stop this life of trolling on youtube and get a job you useless chink, chinks are suppose to be good with math well maybe accounting is right
1hugedik 1 year ago 11
@ShayisWY you know, the usa is the one who came late to the war while it was already practically done, and who the fuck would want to fight the chinks in japan i mean they put anybody into the army ok even women and children, little chinks like you don't know how to fight so we let the retarded americans have that easy job
1hugedik 1 year ago