What bloody idiots in this video! Hey, let's not even discuss the topic we just brought up, let's change the subject altogether! Every video I've seen from Liveaction is a complete joke
They were comparing abortion to slavery. I have a question then. So the government is allowed to force women to bear children. They can force a 13 year old girl a 15 year old girl a 18 year old girl into motherhood. They can turn a women into a 2nd class citizen for 9 months doesnt that sound much closer to slaver than the other way around. Please respond
The individual woman's right to choose whether she wants to bear a child. People are not merely a means to an end, but ends in themselves. A woman treated as an incubator of a fetus by the law is merely a means to an end. You cannot force a women to carry so another person can have life A woman is a person, while an embryo is not a person. The woman's right, as a person, to be treated as an end in herself, accords her the right to choose whether she will accept a pregnancy or not
@esh325 Yea I get that a lot from pro lifers. But they don't seem to understand a simple concept I only get charged with double homicide if the women dies to. Hypotechically if I attack a pregnant women And she loses the unborn fetus but she herself doesnt die I dont get charged with any murders.
@animejerk05 I don't call myself pro life or pro choice. What your saying still doesn't address the issue. Double murder implies that fetus that you said wasn't a life, is a life.
@esh325 For someone to be charge with double homocide if both the mother and fetus dies but not with any murders if only the fetus dies. Means that the person charge with murder is dependent on if the mother dies not the fetus This means the fetus cannot be claimed to be an equal life because a person gets charge with 2 murders if both of them dies but the charged with 0 if only the fetus dies A fetus is not an equal life then is it if it has to be reliant on the mother dying as well
@animejerk05 ""has to be reliant on mother dying""
Not necessarily. There was a Texas case - a guy stomped on his girlfriend's twin fetuses & killed em (she asked him to) . She survived. He was convicted of 1st deg. murder
and got life in prison. Presumably because he couldnt have the intent to undo
the pregnancy (he wasnt pregnant), the logic was he acted with intent to kill &
malice aforethought. That'll get you in big trouble.
@Hexl702 I dont know all the details to that story but apreantly that women was around 8-9months pregnant and she was having contractions so her baby was about to be born when he was stomping on them. If she was like 1 month pregnant and she had an miscarriage sure he woulda still been sent to jail for illegal abortion but wouldnt have been charged with murder. Either way on whether or not someone else attacking and harming a women and killing her fetus and a women seeking
@Hexl702 an abortion because she doesnt have to give birth are two very different things and really shouldnt be a comparison. The government cant force women to bear children for the state.
Im prochoice too, women should not be forced to endure pregnancy if they dont want to.
However, i cant be totally against prosecuting people who kill fetuses under certain circumstances, we dont want guys stomping on girls' stomachs, either.
I guess theres times pro-choicers suck at the message, too - we need to do a
better job of suggesting to women that if theyre gonna abort,
@Hexl702 YES They should do it early in a clinic. But the dam prolifers are trying to kill government funding for poor women and they close abortion clinics near certain womens area. Yes im against back alley abortions because there dangerous to a womens health.
I hate how Prolifers compare abortion and slavery there two completly different things. Yes moral relativism is a valid argument for abortion because the women in question would be force to carry the fetus for 9 months. Get the difference The individual woman's right to choose whether she wants to bear a child. Its also Morally wrong to force a women to bear a child People are not merely a means to an end. Its a two way street for morality.
Im saying -- for all the proloofas screeching that "abortion is murder"" -- they dont actually want to treat it like murder. None of em are proposing that women should be arrested
for the crime of murder & given the death penalty or a long prison stretch.
Nah, they dont want to do THAT. They think its enough to just 'persuade" women.
They just hope their message wins. But thats what we've already HAD
for 40 years now, and through 50 milion abortions.
Getting rid of it would be economically devestating and would change the lives of those who use it.
They don't believe that the "people" who's rights are being violated are actually people at all.
We're not necessarily fighting because we believe it is right. It;s just an issue of individual freedoms. Even if I don't like it, it doesn;t mean the government can be tyrannical and force those views on others.
These are the same basic arguments for abortion and slavery.
Well there is definitely too much red tape to adopt a child, and you want to put them in a safe home but the system is broke. There's too much red tape and waste in most of our Government agencies in this country. But at some point we have to take responsibility for our auctions. We teach our kids to be responsible for there actions and punish them if they aren't. and as adults we seem to forget everything our parents taught us.
Considering that orphanages are overflowing and thousands of children die every day from living on the streets, that is not always true. Even so, often times it is not a matter of just what to do with the child when it is born. Unwanted pregnancies can be a result of many, many other things, such as parents, schooling, work, and even social problems.
That's such a mindless argument. Don't tell people what they can or cannot do. Ok, so when someone wants to rob me, I'm morally obligated to allow them to rob me, but at the same time, they must do so with no indication that they're directing me to do anything? They can't say, "Give me your money!"
this is all hilarious. you faggots have yet to actually address the argument made in the video. you all just criticize things these people are associated with, like religious fundamentalism and opposition to welfare, and ignore the argument.
also, you idiots who fetuses who dont have rights...sorry, dumbfuck, there's a name for that. the naturalistic fallacy. i dont give a SHIT whether they HAVE rights or not. im saying they SHOULD have rights. learn to debate, this is a very basic principle.
@ilyLaura1 "Idont give a SHIT whether they HAVE rights or not. im saying they SHOULD have rights, this is a very basic principle." Why should fetuses, who are not even developed enough to know or feel anything, have more rights than people who are already born? Fetuses aren't conscious and can't make decisions..You want fetuses to have rights, but don't give a SHIT whether it will be wanted, cared for or healthy enough to survive once born? That's disgusting, how do you justify this?
i don't like paying taxes to keep lazy dumb fucks alive, i hate kids and don't think is should have to support other people who have kids....with my taxes, so i guess...i shouldn't have to pay taxes.......AM I DOING IT RIGHT?
science says its a human? lol, heres something you probably don't know, humans don't have rights, person's do, a fetus isn't a person
I was arguing morality when I remembered something I should have said in my other comment. It's quite obviously not universally morally wrong to kill someone, it happens all over the world all the time. Government sanctioned killings (both in the justice system and through war), all those women who get murdered for their families honour, people who get in the way of someone who just plain can't afford to feed their family and have to steal. and those thieves because the business owner has to eat
In short, how can you claim something is universally morally wrong when so often it gets justified. Just the fact that someone can justify their actions to themselves removes the ability to claim it is universally wrong.
Also, if it's legal, then does it really matter how wrong it is? It's evil, but you can do it. Pro-loafers who say stuff like 'Abortion is murder! It's PURE EVIL! Its an abomination -- But we don't need to lock women up in jail or give em the death penalty""---
That makes all the sense of some housewife telling her husband "Adultery is wrong, it's immoral, but if you
by the way, any pilitician who says they are pro-life is simply trying to get more votes. in other words, they don't give a shit about you, or your fetuses.
live action needs to do more research on what they are trying to defund. planned parenthood's practices, only 3% of that is abortion. the rest is STD testing, pap smears and contraceptives, which are meant to PREVENT pregnancy, which also means preventing the need for abortion.
because abortions are the same as keeping slaves and having people with real life connections and experiences killed. Just because YOU consider something to be wrong doesn't make that feeling universal. This video is a joke, as are you.
A fetus is not legally a human being, this "logic" is a failure. They forget about medically necessary abortions or what would happen if this was illegal and how many women would die that way. Who is going to adopt all these unwanted babies? It hasn't been happening so far, we just end up with more criminal activity.
Slavery and contract killing are illegal. Abortion is legal, so telling someone not to own slaves or hire a hitman is NOT the same as telling them not to exercise their legal rights. And that kid in the ill-fitting suit really set my gaydar off!!
All this talk about whether to call a fetus a human being is just an irrelevant semantic argument. It's also pointless to discuss whether a living thing does/does not have or should/should not have certain rights. Forget about all that unnecessarily complicated and irrelevant bullshit. The only thing you need in order to arrive at a rational solution is to determine whether the action in question (abortion) makes anyone suffer. And I have yet to see evidence indicating that it does.
@BIOSHIT It's a human being. To say otherwise would be ludicrous and untrue. It's just not a person yet and therefore does not have the full rights of one.
@LiveActionFilms No, you don't have an understanding of the word development. If something is in development that means it is not the end product. You suck at using your own examples. What more could I expect coming from a group who dishonestly portrays a medical procedure that actually helps society. Furthermore, don't lecture about science when the vast majority of the scientific community is against you.
Next time you make an argument against the commission of any act, ask yourself if the act independently causes anyone to suffer. If it does, it would be wise to persuade people not to do it. If it does not, it's none of your business.
The argument that abortion may cause the woman to suffer isn't entirely sound because the feelings of guilt which may overcome her are triggered by the influence of others around her. In other words, people who tell her that she's doing something wrong are making her feel bad for getting an abortion. When aborting a pregnancy, it's important to realize that the procedure doesn't cause the unborn to suffer. If she still feels guilty about it, she doesn't understand this.
Slavery and hitmen directly cause suffering. Abortion does not. The analogy in this video is invalid. Furthermore, the claim that it is universally "wrong" to take human life has not met its burden of proof.
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@thefernando1 Are you saying an abortion is justifiable up until the minute of delivery? How many weeks into a pregnancy should a female have to decide? At what point does the pregnancy go from an insignificant collection of growing human tissue, bones and blood-vessels to becoming an innocent unborn human child? At what second does it go from personnel choice to a immoral act? And most importantly, explain WHY?
@alvaboyfilms speaking in legal terms, yeah. it is justifiable until head gets out of vagina. A female now has about 6 months i believe. The unborn human does not exist, until it is born it is just a parasite living off the host until it becomes independent. Then again, parasite isn't the right word since the mother can terminate it... It becomes immoral as soon as YOU say its immoral. We all have our own set of morals bro. Also got is what you call "anti-life" read ur bible b4 playing god card.
The party that opposes abortion is the same party that wants to cut off government support to all of the poor mothers with babies. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference.
@bhouha Maybe that's because people should take responsibility for the children they conceive as opposed to demanding that the government pay their bills. I am a single parent, I work hard for a living, and I don't want to financially support healthy, working-age people too lazy to pay their own way... Most importantly, abortion is murder. There is no disputing that a "fetus" whose development is uninterrupted by abortion grows into a person full of potential and possibility.
@beauty4ashes813 FYI- I don't endorse any political party as they all seem to be incredibly flawed anyways... Up until now I have always voted as a democrat but I am not sure who to stand with now. I guess most political types would label me an independent but those candidates usually are kind of kooky and too "out there" for my taste.
These "mothers" got themselves into that situation. (BTW I am not a Republican.) Lots of times there are women who pump out babies ON PURPOSE so they get bigger welfare checks. Take away the freebies and maybe they'll stop punching them out one after the other, ever think of that?
And there are pregnancy care centers. There's one down the street from me that I've donated to.
Planned Parenthood should be subsidized by the U.S. taxpayers so abortions would be rare. How many of your peers have waited for their wedding night? Lay off the Rockefellers. If you read about them you'd find they have given most of their fortune away to make this a better country;
So one waits for marriage. It's not my problem. Sex is the only way to get pregnant, besides artificial insemination, so having a child can be a consequence.
I will not "lay off" the Rockefellers. They are beneficiaries to the Federal Reserve, a privately owned bank that prints money out of thin air.
The Rockefeller foundation helped found the German Eugenics program, and the eugenics movement in England and set up a subcommittee called the International Planned Parenthood Federation.
@LiveActionFilms good video i applaud your efforts on this one. I also have great problems with moral relativism. I think it is a greatest scourge on civilization. From corruption, and abuse to exploitation of a segment of a population relativistic morality is to blame. How ever i do find one major flaw. Your assumption of when life begins. I for one would be a champion of your cause to end murder, yet for there to be murder life must exist.
A fetus isn't a human being, it's a fetus. If it were a human being, it'd be a human being. People who thing we are just POOF suddenly human beings, and often the same ones who think we just POOF became human beings by being created by a god. We evolved to become human beings, and in the womb, we evolve to become ourselves. So by equivocating human life to that of a fetus, you're basically saying any living thing that we evolved from is a human being, and that's just ignorance talking.
Killing a fetus which is practically still part of the female body isn't really a crime would you prefer it to either go into an orphanage because it was unwanted or get a bad upbringing because the parent feels unfit to have a baby (which will obviously do a lot of good for society ;D)
All those poor little unborn chickens that end up on your plastic trays at McDonald's in the morning? - I guess mass abortion of another species is OK, but we're special...?
until it is independent of the thing it needs to live it is classified as a parasite. Yes a fetus is a parasight as it needs you to live and lives in you.
they are pregnet with waht will become a hunman being but until then it is a parasight and a fetus
of course abortion is wrong past a certain state of pregancy as there is an increase of the chance of a woman dying and of course you could take the oposition that it is a baby once it can feel which i think is wrong as well
also we have made it morally wrong to kill a human. As well in out brain there are certain circuts that it can negativly impact you if you kill someone but morale is a thing of subject. It is only wrong in our society.
and as i stated earlier it is a parasite until a certain stage (for some) or until birth. Of course im no expert but that is that.
And what evidence do you have saying when someone is a human being.
And those victems of rape yea there keeping that baby.
@LiveActionFilms you dont have the right to tell someone what they can do with their own body, how would you like it if you had worms? you cant kill the worms because their not your body whilst the worms attack yours.
I just had a similar conversation with a friend. She told me that there is no absolute right and wrong. What is wrong is relative to the law and what people believe. She actually said that if a country doesn't forbid people to kill a person who has been born, then it must be okay for them to do it.
@amberose91 If your friend said that there is no absolute right or wrong, ask her how she knows that's absolutely right. It's called a self-defeating statement.
Also, ask her if she gets her 'opinion' of right or wrong by what other people say in the form of the law. Does it mean that abortion was wrong in the past but is OK now? Does it mean that slavery was right in the past but is wrong now?
If everything is relative, the whole universe just collapsed on itself(because there are no constants)
@TheHardout2005 Thanks. That's basically what I was thinking. I wasn't really able to say anything, she kept going off on crazy tangents. I was just trying to listen so I could here how she thinks. I couldn't seem to say the things I was thinking.
Something I think I'd like to start doing is prime them to change their mind at the beginning of the conversation. I want to ask people if they are a seeker of the truth - that is, do they believe something because it is true, or do they believe something because they've been told it or because they want to.
Then I demonstrate that the pro-life position is true.
The reason for this is that most people don't want to change their beliefs as that causes cognitive dissonance.
@finishstrongdoc and other with the same sentiments: In a book titled Disorientation that discusses deceptive "isms" there is one known as Sentimentalism that puts feelings over hallowed authority saying "The God I believe in wouldn't..." which shrinks God into a narrow space of a fickle conventional wisdom. Doing so, even with good intentions, is really an act of freeing ourselves from sharing in the responsibility that we are faced with. All of us need to take responsibility and promote life
@finishstrongdoc and those with similar sentiments about God: there is an "ism" known as Sentimentalism (read book: Disorientation) which puts feelings over hallowed authority and reason by using noble sounding words like "the God I believe in wouldn't..."(fill in the blank). The Sentimentalist divorces self from the issue at hand and shrinks God into a narrow space of a fickle conventional wisdom. We cannot disassociate ourselves from defending human life by sentimental appeals. Pray & Act.
@KuroNajja I would like to give you the best direction I can, so I will point you to Professor Peter Kreeft...Google his name and listen to some of his lectures; he can answer these questions of yours much better than I can in 500 characters...good luck and God Bless You.
@KuroNajja Don't be too sure...God allows us free will, and we can abuse it, make mistakes in judgement..lots of things can happen to affect our lives which we can't control. I won't try here to convince you one way or another; I have done what my conscience says is the loving thing to do. We will all have at least a few regrets in our lives. Making the best of our lives is all we can do. Hope you'll follow the best advice available...Good luck and God Bless...
@KuroNajja Google search "One More Soul"....and give yourself a good chance for happiness with your partner in life. I think the stat was 1/10 to 1/25% of women who used NFP with their husbands were divorced compared to those who didn't. Sex between males and females should be open to life...things go badly if you don't love completely....commitment to ONE ANOTHER pretty much DEMANDS that you respect the fertility cycle of the woman, and make choices based on that. Good luck..God bless you.
This is a simplistic stupid video, like every aspect of human decision making has the same result, "you may want to appear in a backward thinking ignorant video, but dont tell me what to do". Week 1 pregnancy is 100 cells, to put that into perspective, a flys brain has over 1 million.
Its all about god putting a soul into a womens body at conception, this is a huge claim, & requires huge evidence. Not ignorant trash.
Whether an abortion kills innocent human beings depends on the stage of embryonic development. A collection of a few undifferentiated cells is not a human being. Humans have inherited their proteins that make up their bodies from previous generations of non-humans. A human fetus at a few weeks is indistinguishable from a chimpanzee fetus.
@Sueezee1 A mass of undifferentiated cells is not a human. Humans and chimpanzees share ~ 98% of genes inherited from a common ancestor. It is the differential activation and deactivation of regulatory genes during embryological development that results in a chimpanzee rather than a Human.
Both Humans and Chimpanzees have 24 pairs of chromosomes. A legal definition is not a scientifically proven fact. For example, " insanity " is a legal term not a scientific term.
@chroniclerofthe70s says: . It is the differential activation and deactivation of regulatory genes during embryological development that results in a chimpanzee rather than a Human.
~~~~~~~~~~~ A one day gestation zygote can easily be identified as a human species. The process of less speicalized cells becomng more specialized has no effetc on what is human & what isnt.
It is universally wrong to kill a human being, unless it's a male old enough to join the military, or people in a country that we're not getting along with.
Because owning slaves or hiring hitman is the same as killing an (As used by most anti-abortionists) innocent being who has not experienced anything in this world and so on.
@TomRaphaelWolf says:owning slaves or hiring hitman is the same as killing a being who has not experienced anything
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT??? You compare an entity with no higher consciousness than that of an earthworm, to slaves OR your damned family?? . Do you have ANY idea how disturbed that thinking is? Its like being obsessed with aliens from outer space! You have irrationally connected with something that dosent even come close to being an intrical part of our human beingness
@Sueezee1 One should note the sarcasm in the post. I think I even over-did the sarcasm. I quoted the chick who said that exact same quote (Because "owning slaves or hiring hitmen is the same as killing a being..."), who made the stupid remark of "well, if you don't like it, just don't do it" and made it = abortions. Basically, I said what your post said about what "I' said, in a very sarcastic way.
No, we don't agree that it is universally wrong to kill a human being. It is wrong to kill a born baby, but it is not wrong to kill a fetus.
The line about slavery might have been used back when slavery was legal, before we agreed that slavery was wrong. Likewise, we don't agree that abortion is wrong.
@Mattmon2 So what you're saying is that if it's legal, it's right? So you let the government decide your own morals? Boy, and I thought conservatives were sheep!
@Mattmon2 "No, we don't agree that it is universally wrong to kill a human being." Why is it ok to kill some humans but not others? Would it be wrong if society thought some humans of say a particular race or age were fine to kill?
but you just said we know that it is universally wrong to kill a human, and now you are saying we dont agree to that, or that it isnt universally wrong to all people.
@LiveActionFilms Because those "humans" are residing in the body of an actual existing human being. Sorry, but no matter how much you believe it is so, the rights of an unborn being do not override the rights of the existing human being whose body said unborn is currently residing in.
we know universally that its morally wrong to kill a human being? really? whys the bible have so many instances where god or someone commanded by god kills people? why are people being killed everyday if we know its morally wrong? maybe people just say its wrong and take the saying at face value, without determining whether its a fact. science doesnt make moral judgments.
@KnightOwl2006 r u seriously asking that? those are illegal abortions that are not supposed to be done...you cannot have an abortion when u are in ur 2nd trimester...educate urself and don't listen or believe the first thing u hear
@lysolluvswindex says: you cannot have an abortion when u are in ur 2nd trimester...educate urself
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, you CAN. Women can STILL have late term abortion under certain circumstance., and youre tellling someone else to get educated? LOL
@Sueezee1 yes your right i worded that incorrectly but not anyone can have a late term abortion and that person made it sound like EVERY abortion ends in dismembered body parts which it does not.
@lysolluvswindex says: that person made it sound like EVERY abortion ends in dismembered body parts which it does not.
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Oh, Im sorry, and I know what you mean. I dont know if these people dont know all abortions dont end in dismemberment, or they just dont want to admit MOST dont.
@lysolluvswindex Almost every abortion ends in dismembered body parts. The human heart begins beating at 21 days post conception. Unborn children begin sucking their thumb at 9 weeks post conception. You should go to the Endowment for Human Development website to get the information. For example, "The hands begin to move" at 6.5 weeks. Most abortions are after this point.
@LiveActionFilms that's not true at all. and because there is a heartbeat does not make a fetus viable outside of the womb thus constitutionally a woman is allowed to have an abortion...and i don't trust websites that interest groups supporting them. Why do you feel like it's your job to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies? If you cared and fought for children living outside of the womb as you do inside the womb the world would be a MUCH better place
@LiveActionFilms You claim that life begins at conception. But that's some backwards 1400's Vatican bullshit talk. I'll tell you exactly when life begins...it begins the moment you're finally self-aware. The moment you finally understand your existence is when you first begin to appreciate the value of life.
If you don't have self-awareness you're nothing...you might as well be a parasite dwelling inside a womb.
@SaintJimmy76 It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception. Read any biology book. As for your definition of "self-aware", born children are not "self-aware". That is sick that you support the killing of born babies. Messed up!
@LiveActionFilms if life begins at conception then how come 80% of fertilized eggs are flushed out onto a maxipad during the woman's period?
That's sick that you believe women are sick & twisted Mass Murders.
And dumbass, babies ARE self-aware...even before they're born. Why else do parents talk to the womb? So that the baby will already recognize their voices when the baby is finally born.
But thanks for your insight. You truly do care MORE for unborns than born babies.
@LiveActionFilms BTW, please show me the scientific fact. I'm so sick of you Religious Whackos claiming science when the REAL scientific community is saying the exact opposite of what YOUR "scientific" facts are.
Ya'll claim to have "science" that the world is 6000 years old while the REAL scientific community claims that it's more like SIX BILLION YEARS OLD!!!
Piss off retard, you're clearly unequipped to exchange wits with me.
These are AWFUL and are completely irrational! Not to mention the girls look like streetwalkers. Jesus. I guess this is where all those sex slaves are ending up :/ Doing films for LiveAction!
@KuroNajja While we sit here typing lives are following the very pattern I've described. Your life is being influenced by a false god whether you're happy or not. People with severe brain injuries sometimes smile a lot,too. But they don't know why. People who abstain UNTIL Marriage& use natural family planning, ARE happiest, have almost 0% divorce rate, live longer. They think they're smiling because they're following God's plan.It's Now not my business what you do with your life. Kbyeeee
What's good for girls? Same as what's good for guys: sex ed, try it,find playmate,fall in love,lose cherry,more sex,condom breaks,heart breaks,break up. Go home,feel sad.
Get drunk,sleep around,new playmate,more sex,condom breaks,break up,hate sex. Change sex,crotch hurts,go to"PP",Get "Pill",try Bi,more sex,forget"Pill",get PG,go to "PP",bye bye baby. Go home,feel sad,get drunk,get laid,get high get laid.
@LiveActionFilms They are not legally equivalent, and depending on the person, they are not morally equivalent, either. Also, killing innocent human beings is not "universally wrong," seeing as how there have been many cultures throughout history where such actions were an acceptable part of society. Societies change, and cultures change; there are no universals.
@LiveActionFilms because abortion doesnt affect others negatively. and if you think negative 8 months old babies know whats going on youre the retard. and souls dont have any standing in science so they are no argument.
@DarthMambo no it wont... it doesnt have feelings or a brain or nerves so no it doesnt react it reacts LESS than a tree. im against abortion once the baby is starting to get seriously developed however early i dont mind. youre getting woked up over something that doesnt even exist yet. by my logic things that dont exist cant feel pain or be bothered by what was done to them (nothing because they dont exist).
What bloody idiots in this video! Hey, let's not even discuss the topic we just brought up, let's change the subject altogether! Every video I've seen from Liveaction is a complete joke
loathedandabhorred 3 days ago
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it s not the same shit
and what about the 12 year old little girl who get s raped and because of that she gets pregnant
so ya Pro-Life assholes are say she should have the kid because abortion is bad
she is still a kid have would u tell that girl that her life is over
MADNEES1 3 weeks ago
They were comparing abortion to slavery. I have a question then. So the government is allowed to force women to bear children. They can force a 13 year old girl a 15 year old girl a 18 year old girl into motherhood. They can turn a women into a 2nd class citizen for 9 months doesnt that sound much closer to slaver than the other way around. Please respond
animejerk05 1 month ago
The individual woman's right to choose whether she wants to bear a child. People are not merely a means to an end, but ends in themselves. A woman treated as an incubator of a fetus by the law is merely a means to an end. You cannot force a women to carry so another person can have life A woman is a person, while an embryo is not a person. The woman's right, as a person, to be treated as an end in herself, accords her the right to choose whether she will accept a pregnancy or not
animejerk05 1 month ago
@animejerk05 The law would disagree with you. Kill a pregnant woman and it's double homicide.
esh325 3 weeks ago
@esh325 Yea I get that a lot from pro lifers. But they don't seem to understand a simple concept I only get charged with double homicide if the women dies to. Hypotechically if I attack a pregnant women And she loses the unborn fetus but she herself doesnt die I dont get charged with any murders.
animejerk05 3 weeks ago
@animejerk05 I don't call myself pro life or pro choice. What your saying still doesn't address the issue. Double murder implies that fetus that you said wasn't a life, is a life.
esh325 3 weeks ago
@esh325 For someone to be charge with double homocide if both the mother and fetus dies but not with any murders if only the fetus dies. Means that the person charge with murder is dependent on if the mother dies not the fetus This means the fetus cannot be claimed to be an equal life because a person gets charge with 2 murders if both of them dies but the charged with 0 if only the fetus dies A fetus is not an equal life then is it if it has to be reliant on the mother dying as well
animejerk05 3 weeks ago
@animejerk05 ""has to be reliant on mother dying""
Not necessarily. There was a Texas case - a guy stomped on his girlfriend's twin fetuses & killed em (she asked him to) . She survived. He was convicted of 1st deg. murder
and got life in prison. Presumably because he couldnt have the intent to undo
the pregnancy (he wasnt pregnant), the logic was he acted with intent to kill &
malice aforethought. That'll get you in big trouble.
Hexl702 1 week ago
@Hexl702 I dont know all the details to that story but apreantly that women was around 8-9months pregnant and she was having contractions so her baby was about to be born when he was stomping on them. If she was like 1 month pregnant and she had an miscarriage sure he woulda still been sent to jail for illegal abortion but wouldnt have been charged with murder. Either way on whether or not someone else attacking and harming a women and killing her fetus and a women seeking
animejerk05 1 week ago
@Hexl702 an abortion because she doesnt have to give birth are two very different things and really shouldnt be a comparison. The government cant force women to bear children for the state.
animejerk05 1 week ago
@animejerk05
Im prochoice too, women should not be forced to endure pregnancy if they dont want to.
However, i cant be totally against prosecuting people who kill fetuses under certain circumstances, we dont want guys stomping on girls' stomachs, either.
I guess theres times pro-choicers suck at the message, too - we need to do a
better job of suggesting to women that if theyre gonna abort,
its better to do it in a clinic, early.
Hexl702 1 week ago
@Hexl702 YES They should do it early in a clinic. But the dam prolifers are trying to kill government funding for poor women and they close abortion clinics near certain womens area. Yes im against back alley abortions because there dangerous to a womens health.
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animejerk05 1 month ago
I hate how Prolifers compare abortion and slavery there two completly different things. Yes moral relativism is a valid argument for abortion because the women in question would be force to carry the fetus for 9 months. Get the difference The individual woman's right to choose whether she wants to bear a child. Its also Morally wrong to force a women to bear a child People are not merely a means to an end. Its a two way street for morality.
animejerk05 1 month ago
@animejerk05 """its morally wrong to force a woman to bear a child""
For all their struttin' and posturin' -- the pro-loofas have their limits. They wouldnt do just ANYTHING to "save a baby."
So it behooves em to answer -- just what it is they WOULD do. Simply running their big mouths has been 40 years of fail.
Hexl702 1 month ago
@Hexl702 What are you talking about.
animejerk05 1 month ago
@animejerk05
Im saying -- for all the proloofas screeching that "abortion is murder"" -- they dont actually want to treat it like murder. None of em are proposing that women should be arrested
for the crime of murder & given the death penalty or a long prison stretch.
Nah, they dont want to do THAT. They think its enough to just 'persuade" women.
They just hope their message wins. But thats what we've already HAD
for 40 years now, and through 50 milion abortions.
Hexl702 1 month ago
Live Action is a joke. Do you guys seriously think these comparisons are equal? Complete idiots.
keilareadman 3 months ago 5
Getting rid of it would be economically devestating and would change the lives of those who use it.
They don't believe that the "people" who's rights are being violated are actually people at all.
We're not necessarily fighting because we believe it is right. It;s just an issue of individual freedoms. Even if I don't like it, it doesn;t mean the government can be tyrannical and force those views on others.
These are the same basic arguments for abortion and slavery.
heatbucspies55 3 months ago
The chaos of moral relativism always distills down to this paradox: Telling people to not tell people what they can or cannot do is wrong, too.
Trev0r98 3 months ago
Well there is definitely too much red tape to adopt a child, and you want to put them in a safe home but the system is broke. There's too much red tape and waste in most of our Government agencies in this country. But at some point we have to take responsibility for our auctions. We teach our kids to be responsible for there actions and punish them if they aren't. and as adults we seem to forget everything our parents taught us.
mustangpassurchevy 3 months ago
LIFE is LIFE... Murder is Murder.. Period. Give it away if you cant afford it or don't want it. Someone else does.
mustangpassurchevy 3 months ago
@mustangpassurchevy
Considering that orphanages are overflowing and thousands of children die every day from living on the streets, that is not always true. Even so, often times it is not a matter of just what to do with the child when it is born. Unwanted pregnancies can be a result of many, many other things, such as parents, schooling, work, and even social problems.
OverdosedXO 3 months ago
You guys are awesome...never give up!
texaswoodsmith 4 months ago
That's such a mindless argument. Don't tell people what they can or cannot do. Ok, so when someone wants to rob me, I'm morally obligated to allow them to rob me, but at the same time, they must do so with no indication that they're directing me to do anything? They can't say, "Give me your money!"
FancyFeast3 4 months ago
@FancyFeast3 ""'Okay so when someone wants to rob me'"
LOL not this silly-ass crap again, where you bring up clear-cut cases of harm against an unwilling
second party and try to equate it to abortion? No one wants to be robbed, but clearly women want
abortions hell it only happens 1.2 million times a year.
Hexl702 4 months ago
@Hexl702
Ok.
FancyFeast3 4 months ago
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SuperMilitantAtheist 5 months ago
this is all hilarious. you faggots have yet to actually address the argument made in the video. you all just criticize things these people are associated with, like religious fundamentalism and opposition to welfare, and ignore the argument.
also, you idiots who fetuses who dont have rights...sorry, dumbfuck, there's a name for that. the naturalistic fallacy. i dont give a SHIT whether they HAVE rights or not. im saying they SHOULD have rights. learn to debate, this is a very basic principle.
ilyLaura1 5 months ago
@ilyLaura1
We get it -- you dont like abortion. But its not about you liking it -- it's about women being able to do it.
Hexl702 5 months ago in playlist Choice
@ilyLaura1 ""Im saying they SHOULD have rights'"
By doing what? How does that manifest -- we make abortion illegal? Whats the crime and what's the punishment?
Because you clucks have counted on your "wordpower" for all 38 years of Roe and through all 50 million
abortions. Its clear your words DONT have any power, not much anyway.
Clearly you clucks need to GET TUFF!
Hexl702 5 months ago in playlist Choice
@ilyLaura1 """Learn to debate""
LOL you silly dips have been congratulating yourselves on being Master Debators for 38 years now --
"""What a debate, we sure PWN!ed them!""
But abortions been legal for 38 years -- does that make you PWN!ed by the prochoicers?
Hexl702 5 months ago in playlist Choice
@ilyLaura1 "Idont give a SHIT whether they HAVE rights or not. im saying they SHOULD have rights, this is a very basic principle." Why should fetuses, who are not even developed enough to know or feel anything, have more rights than people who are already born? Fetuses aren't conscious and can't make decisions..You want fetuses to have rights, but don't give a SHIT whether it will be wanted, cared for or healthy enough to survive once born? That's disgusting, how do you justify this?
loathedandabhorred 5 months ago 3
i don't like paying taxes to keep lazy dumb fucks alive, i hate kids and don't think is should have to support other people who have kids....with my taxes, so i guess...i shouldn't have to pay taxes.......AM I DOING IT RIGHT?
science says its a human? lol, heres something you probably don't know, humans don't have rights, person's do, a fetus isn't a person
SuperMilitantAtheist 5 months ago 2
@SuperMilitantAtheist this guy has the right idea
alakbakbak 5 months ago
Don't like other people having sex? Don't think about it!
It seems the pro-loafers just can't stop obsessing over the sex OTHER people are having!
AshleyH777 6 months ago
I only favor Abortion to the 7th month
HowardSternn 6 months ago
Don't want a baby? Don't get pregnant.
000ZetyN 6 months ago 3
@000ZetyN
Don't like abortion? Don't get one. Hell, this isnt hard.
Hexl702 6 months ago in playlist Choice
@Hexl702 It's obviously easy enough for you to rip the title of the vid. Good job. Very original.
000ZetyN 6 months ago
@000ZetyN
You sure are pissing and moanin as if someone's trying to make you get an abortion against your will.
Nah, that's the beauty of choice -- ifyou dont want an abortion, no one will make you get one.
Hexl702 6 months ago in playlist Choice
@000ZetyN ""good job ... very original"""
The classics never die !
Hexl702 6 months ago in playlist Choice
ugh i had to comment to get rid of the 666th comment! btw..good job Lila!
patriciacarrasco 6 months ago
I was arguing morality when I remembered something I should have said in my other comment. It's quite obviously not universally morally wrong to kill someone, it happens all over the world all the time. Government sanctioned killings (both in the justice system and through war), all those women who get murdered for their families honour, people who get in the way of someone who just plain can't afford to feed their family and have to steal. and those thieves because the business owner has to eat
willgimon 6 months ago
In short, how can you claim something is universally morally wrong when so often it gets justified. Just the fact that someone can justify their actions to themselves removes the ability to claim it is universally wrong.
willgimon 6 months ago
@willgimon
Also, if it's legal, then does it really matter how wrong it is? It's evil, but you can do it. Pro-loafers who say stuff like 'Abortion is murder! It's PURE EVIL! Its an abomination -- But we don't need to lock women up in jail or give em the death penalty""---
That makes all the sense of some housewife telling her husband "Adultery is wrong, it's immoral, but if you
do it, I won't do anything more than complain.""
Hexl702 6 months ago in playlist Choice
by the way, any pilitician who says they are pro-life is simply trying to get more votes. in other words, they don't give a shit about you, or your fetuses.
MrsMadison4ever1 6 months ago
live action needs to do more research on what they are trying to defund. planned parenthood's practices, only 3% of that is abortion. the rest is STD testing, pap smears and contraceptives, which are meant to PREVENT pregnancy, which also means preventing the need for abortion.
MrsMadison4ever1 6 months ago
because abortions are the same as keeping slaves and having people with real life connections and experiences killed. Just because YOU consider something to be wrong doesn't make that feeling universal. This video is a joke, as are you.
willgimon 6 months ago
A fetus is not legally a human being, this "logic" is a failure. They forget about medically necessary abortions or what would happen if this was illegal and how many women would die that way. Who is going to adopt all these unwanted babies? It hasn't been happening so far, we just end up with more criminal activity.
PetiteViolist 7 months ago
Slavery and contract killing are illegal. Abortion is legal, so telling someone not to own slaves or hire a hitman is NOT the same as telling them not to exercise their legal rights. And that kid in the ill-fitting suit really set my gaydar off!!
MsCrazyCuckoo 7 months ago
All this talk about whether to call a fetus a human being is just an irrelevant semantic argument. It's also pointless to discuss whether a living thing does/does not have or should/should not have certain rights. Forget about all that unnecessarily complicated and irrelevant bullshit. The only thing you need in order to arrive at a rational solution is to determine whether the action in question (abortion) makes anyone suffer. And I have yet to see evidence indicating that it does.
Savipalooza 7 months ago
@BIOSHIT It's a human being. To say otherwise would be ludicrous and untrue. It's just not a person yet and therefore does not have the full rights of one.
bookcreator 7 months ago
FAIL
Whoever made this video wouldn't know reason or science if it bit them in the ass.
deathray32 7 months ago
Live Action Films needs to stop acting as if they give a fuck about what science, or any rational pursuit of knowledge, has to say.
b1azers2002 7 months ago
@LiveActionFilms No, you don't have an understanding of the word development. If something is in development that means it is not the end product. You suck at using your own examples. What more could I expect coming from a group who dishonestly portrays a medical procedure that actually helps society. Furthermore, don't lecture about science when the vast majority of the scientific community is against you.
b1azers2002 7 months ago
Propaganda.
FrackMeister 7 months ago
Next time you make an argument against the commission of any act, ask yourself if the act independently causes anyone to suffer. If it does, it would be wise to persuade people not to do it. If it does not, it's none of your business.
Savipalooza 7 months ago
The argument that abortion may cause the woman to suffer isn't entirely sound because the feelings of guilt which may overcome her are triggered by the influence of others around her. In other words, people who tell her that she's doing something wrong are making her feel bad for getting an abortion. When aborting a pregnancy, it's important to realize that the procedure doesn't cause the unborn to suffer. If she still feels guilty about it, she doesn't understand this.
Savipalooza 7 months ago
@Savipalooza
Yep, I would think a woman would feel some distress and depression, being called a "slut" , a "whore"
a "murderer," and " no better than nazis or slavers."
Geez, which side does that to the women ::: hint, hint, it's not us:::
Hexl702 7 months ago 2
Slavery and hitmen directly cause suffering. Abortion does not. The analogy in this video is invalid. Furthermore, the claim that it is universally "wrong" to take human life has not met its burden of proof.
Savipalooza 7 months ago
Where is the dislike button...
di739 7 months ago
@di739
My sentiments entirely.
wmg111 7 months ago
Holy shit you people are insane. I'm so glad I live in Sweden!
watcheem 7 months ago 19
@watcheem
I'm so glad I don't live in the shit hole of Sweden. The government changes your diapers over there.
AtheistTower 4 months ago
@watcheem Sweeds cant handle simple logic?
PetertheGreatest1 4 months ago
@watcheem
I'm so glad I don't, sweden is full of lunatics.
AtheistTower 4 months ago
@watcheemWERE GLAD YOU LIVE IN SWEDEN TO!
mscheesymac 2 months ago
Don't have Sex with a Man until you're really sure he's the one or you will have a hard life if you really need to have Sex that badly wear a condom protect yourself.Be Strong Women stop letting these Men talk you into something you really don't want to do or ready for.Just say no and if he tells you to get lost then he isn't the one..A real Man will understand and respect your decision ..
casandra391 7 months ago
@thefernando1 Are you saying an abortion is justifiable up until the minute of delivery? How many weeks into a pregnancy should a female have to decide? At what point does the pregnancy go from an insignificant collection of growing human tissue, bones and blood-vessels to becoming an innocent unborn human child? At what second does it go from personnel choice to a immoral act? And most importantly, explain WHY?
____? weeks=non-life
____? weeks+1 second=human life ?
alvaboyfilms 8 months ago
@alvaboyfilms speaking in legal terms, yeah. it is justifiable until head gets out of vagina. A female now has about 6 months i believe. The unborn human does not exist, until it is born it is just a parasite living off the host until it becomes independent. Then again, parasite isn't the right word since the mother can terminate it... It becomes immoral as soon as YOU say its immoral. We all have our own set of morals bro. Also got is what you call "anti-life" read ur bible b4 playing god card.
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alvaboyfilms 7 months ago
The party that opposes abortion is the same party that wants to cut off government support to all of the poor mothers with babies. The opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference.
bhouha 8 months ago 21
@bhouha Maybe that's because people should take responsibility for the children they conceive as opposed to demanding that the government pay their bills. I am a single parent, I work hard for a living, and I don't want to financially support healthy, working-age people too lazy to pay their own way... Most importantly, abortion is murder. There is no disputing that a "fetus" whose development is uninterrupted by abortion grows into a person full of potential and possibility.
beauty4ashes813 6 months ago
@beauty4ashes813 FYI- I don't endorse any political party as they all seem to be incredibly flawed anyways... Up until now I have always voted as a democrat but I am not sure who to stand with now. I guess most political types would label me an independent but those candidates usually are kind of kooky and too "out there" for my taste.
beauty4ashes813 6 months ago
@bhouha
These "mothers" got themselves into that situation. (BTW I am not a Republican.) Lots of times there are women who pump out babies ON PURPOSE so they get bigger welfare checks. Take away the freebies and maybe they'll stop punching them out one after the other, ever think of that?
And there are pregnancy care centers. There's one down the street from me that I've donated to.
AntiPCTruthseeker 3 months ago
@AntiPCTruthseeker """pregnancy care centers""
LOL -- dont they TOO offer freebies to women, so they wont abort?
Hexl702 3 months ago
@bhouha I oppose abortion and I would love for every woman and child to have government support if they are truly dedicated to becoming a parent.
LadyInDrag 3 months ago
@LadyInDrag """i would love for every woman & child to have govt. support'"
Careful -- you could kill a Teabagger with talk like that! They get so worked up over "out of control social
spending'' and "subsidizing irresponsible behavior' and "'generational govt. dependency"
they darn near EXPLODE.
Hexl702 3 months ago
@bhouha
Planned Parenthood is subsidized by elites like the Rockefeller(s).
LoveDayandAge 2 months ago in playlist More videos from LiveActionFilms
@LoveDayandAge
Planned Parenthood should be subsidized by the U.S. taxpayers so abortions would be rare. How many of your peers have waited for their wedding night? Lay off the Rockefellers. If you read about them you'd find they have given most of their fortune away to make this a better country;
bhouha 2 months ago
@bhouha
So one waits for marriage. It's not my problem. Sex is the only way to get pregnant, besides artificial insemination, so having a child can be a consequence.
I will not "lay off" the Rockefellers. They are beneficiaries to the Federal Reserve, a privately owned bank that prints money out of thin air.
The Rockefeller foundation helped found the German Eugenics program, and the eugenics movement in England and set up a subcommittee called the International Planned Parenthood Federation.
LoveDayandAge 2 months ago
Science never said that life begins at conception and this is the worse arguement for prolife I've ever heard.
xxxTayaRoisxxx 8 months ago
Really? Comparing abortion to slavery? Fucking prolifers..
xTurbojugend 8 months ago
@LiveActionFilms good video i applaud your efforts on this one. I also have great problems with moral relativism. I think it is a greatest scourge on civilization. From corruption, and abuse to exploitation of a segment of a population relativistic morality is to blame. How ever i do find one major flaw. Your assumption of when life begins. I for one would be a champion of your cause to end murder, yet for there to be murder life must exist.
masluxx 8 months ago
A fetus isn't a human being, it's a fetus. If it were a human being, it'd be a human being. People who thing we are just POOF suddenly human beings, and often the same ones who think we just POOF became human beings by being created by a god. We evolved to become human beings, and in the womb, we evolve to become ourselves. So by equivocating human life to that of a fetus, you're basically saying any living thing that we evolved from is a human being, and that's just ignorance talking.
TheTexanCanadian 8 months ago 3
Killing a fetus which is practically still part of the female body isn't really a crime would you prefer it to either go into an orphanage because it was unwanted or get a bad upbringing because the parent feels unfit to have a baby (which will obviously do a lot of good for society ;D)
SuperNateclark 8 months ago
I love live action and Lila rose!!!
gymnastforever04 9 months ago
All those poor little unborn chickens that end up on your plastic trays at McDonald's in the morning? - I guess mass abortion of another species is OK, but we're special...?
mikespulligan 9 months ago
ok i'll agree to outlawing abortion as soon as we get rid of capital punishment
jannikmt 9 months ago
Man...what the fuck was that guy thinking when he put on a Black Shirt, with a White tie, and some shit gray suit? Retarded fuck.
Yourfrontallobe 9 months ago
@thefernando1 What scientific evidence do you have that birth makes someone a human being?
Would you say that it is false to say that a woman is pregnant with a human being?
LiveActionFilms 9 months ago
@LiveActionFilms You don't get a birth certificate until after you are born. Good enough for me.
kryp10yt 9 months ago
@LiveActionFilms
until it is independent of the thing it needs to live it is classified as a parasite. Yes a fetus is a parasight as it needs you to live and lives in you.
they are pregnet with waht will become a hunman being but until then it is a parasight and a fetus
of course abortion is wrong past a certain state of pregancy as there is an increase of the chance of a woman dying and of course you could take the oposition that it is a baby once it can feel which i think is wrong as well
bubblemonster3 9 months ago
@LiveActionFilms
also we have made it morally wrong to kill a human. As well in out brain there are certain circuts that it can negativly impact you if you kill someone but morale is a thing of subject. It is only wrong in our society.
and as i stated earlier it is a parasite until a certain stage (for some) or until birth. Of course im no expert but that is that.
And what evidence do you have saying when someone is a human being.
And those victems of rape yea there keeping that baby.
bubblemonster3 9 months ago
@LiveActionFilms you dont have the right to tell someone what they can do with their own body, how would you like it if you had worms? you cant kill the worms because their not your body whilst the worms attack yours.
teedonster 9 months ago
@LiveActionFilms regardless, it is better it is aborted than thrown in a dumpster by the mother after it is born
1986cheeky1986 8 months ago
@1986cheeky1986 You don't try to right a wrong with another wrong.
Autumn6 8 months ago
@LiveActionFilms I'm a medical professional (registered nurse). It is ridiculous to say that a fetus isn't a human being....
Autumn6 8 months ago
It's only an Abortion what's the big deal here
HowardSternn 9 months ago
I just had a similar conversation with a friend. She told me that there is no absolute right and wrong. What is wrong is relative to the law and what people believe. She actually said that if a country doesn't forbid people to kill a person who has been born, then it must be okay for them to do it.
amberose91 9 months ago
@amberose91 If your friend said that there is no absolute right or wrong, ask her how she knows that's absolutely right. It's called a self-defeating statement.
Also, ask her if she gets her 'opinion' of right or wrong by what other people say in the form of the law. Does it mean that abortion was wrong in the past but is OK now? Does it mean that slavery was right in the past but is wrong now?
If everything is relative, the whole universe just collapsed on itself(because there are no constants)
TheHardout2005 9 months ago
@TheHardout2005 Thanks. That's basically what I was thinking. I wasn't really able to say anything, she kept going off on crazy tangents. I was just trying to listen so I could here how she thinks. I couldn't seem to say the things I was thinking.
amberose91 9 months ago
@amberose91 Sure thing.
Something I think I'd like to start doing is prime them to change their mind at the beginning of the conversation. I want to ask people if they are a seeker of the truth - that is, do they believe something because it is true, or do they believe something because they've been told it or because they want to.
Then I demonstrate that the pro-life position is true.
The reason for this is that most people don't want to change their beliefs as that causes cognitive dissonance.
TheHardout2005 9 months ago
@finishstrongdoc and other with the same sentiments: In a book titled Disorientation that discusses deceptive "isms" there is one known as Sentimentalism that puts feelings over hallowed authority saying "The God I believe in wouldn't..." which shrinks God into a narrow space of a fickle conventional wisdom. Doing so, even with good intentions, is really an act of freeing ourselves from sharing in the responsibility that we are faced with. All of us need to take responsibility and promote life
ironmanjimbo 9 months ago
@finishstrongdoc and those with similar sentiments about God: there is an "ism" known as Sentimentalism (read book: Disorientation) which puts feelings over hallowed authority and reason by using noble sounding words like "the God I believe in wouldn't..."(fill in the blank). The Sentimentalist divorces self from the issue at hand and shrinks God into a narrow space of a fickle conventional wisdom. We cannot disassociate ourselves from defending human life by sentimental appeals. Pray & Act.
ironmanjimbo 9 months ago
Yeah I've heard that "if you don't like abortion then don't have one," argument, and it's totally bogus.
gracehi88 10 months ago
@KuroNajja I would like to give you the best direction I can, so I will point you to Professor Peter Kreeft...Google his name and listen to some of his lectures; he can answer these questions of yours much better than I can in 500 characters...good luck and God Bless You.
finishstrongdoc 10 months ago
@KuroNajja Don't be too sure...God allows us free will, and we can abuse it, make mistakes in judgement..lots of things can happen to affect our lives which we can't control. I won't try here to convince you one way or another; I have done what my conscience says is the loving thing to do. We will all have at least a few regrets in our lives. Making the best of our lives is all we can do. Hope you'll follow the best advice available...Good luck and God Bless...
finishstrongdoc 10 months ago
@KuroNajja Google search "One More Soul"....and give yourself a good chance for happiness with your partner in life. I think the stat was 1/10 to 1/25% of women who used NFP with their husbands were divorced compared to those who didn't. Sex between males and females should be open to life...things go badly if you don't love completely....commitment to ONE ANOTHER pretty much DEMANDS that you respect the fertility cycle of the woman, and make choices based on that. Good luck..God bless you.
finishstrongdoc 10 months ago
BULLSHIT!!!!
Can a fetus survive on it's own? HELL NO!!
So it's NOT a living, breathing human being because it's very existence is dependent on the health of it's host.
SaintJimmy76 10 months ago
I agree w/ the chick in green
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watchhotch 11 months ago
This is a simplistic stupid video, like every aspect of human decision making has the same result, "you may want to appear in a backward thinking ignorant video, but dont tell me what to do". Week 1 pregnancy is 100 cells, to put that into perspective, a flys brain has over 1 million.
Its all about god putting a soul into a womens body at conception, this is a huge claim, & requires huge evidence. Not ignorant trash.
LouisPlume 11 months ago
Whether an abortion kills innocent human beings depends on the stage of embryonic development. A collection of a few undifferentiated cells is not a human being. Humans have inherited their proteins that make up their bodies from previous generations of non-humans. A human fetus at a few weeks is indistinguishable from a chimpanzee fetus.
chroniclerofthe70s 11 months ago
@chroniclerofthe70s says: Whether an abortion kills innocent human beings depends on the stage of embryonic development.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong, human being is ONLY a legal term that denotes an individual with rights. A fetus is a human (species), but human being until birth.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 A mass of undifferentiated cells is not a human. Humans and chimpanzees share ~ 98% of genes inherited from a common ancestor. It is the differential activation and deactivation of regulatory genes during embryological development that results in a chimpanzee rather than a Human.
Both Humans and Chimpanzees have 24 pairs of chromosomes. A legal definition is not a scientifically proven fact. For example, " insanity " is a legal term not a scientific term.
chroniclerofthe70s 10 months ago
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@chroniclerofthe70s says: . It is the differential activation and deactivation of regulatory genes during embryological development that results in a chimpanzee rather than a Human.
~~~~~~~~~~~ A one day gestation zygote can easily be identified as a human species. The process of less speicalized cells becomng more specialized has no effetc on what is human & what isnt.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
It is universally wrong to kill a human being, unless it's a male old enough to join the military, or people in a country that we're not getting along with.
CamillaCalamity 11 months ago
@CamillaCalamity please tell me you're being sarcastic about that last part
bekeky23 11 months ago
@bekeky23 Yea pretty much. Unfortunately that is the policy of the right wing though.
CamillaCalamity 11 months ago
Because owning slaves or hiring hitman is the same as killing an (As used by most anti-abortionists) innocent being who has not experienced anything in this world and so on.
TomRaphaelWolf 11 months ago
@TomRaphaelWolf says:owning slaves or hiring hitman is the same as killing a being who has not experienced anything
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT??? You compare an entity with no higher consciousness than that of an earthworm, to slaves OR your damned family?? . Do you have ANY idea how disturbed that thinking is? Its like being obsessed with aliens from outer space! You have irrationally connected with something that dosent even come close to being an intrical part of our human beingness
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 One should note the sarcasm in the post. I think I even over-did the sarcasm. I quoted the chick who said that exact same quote (Because "owning slaves or hiring hitmen is the same as killing a being..."), who made the stupid remark of "well, if you don't like it, just don't do it" and made it = abortions. Basically, I said what your post said about what "I' said, in a very sarcastic way.
TomRaphaelWolf 10 months ago
The liberal argument is more like this:
"if you don't like abortion, don't have one...
... but give us your tax dollars to pay for it anyway."
KnightOwl2006 11 months ago
no disrespect but a good journalist is not biased...and ur extremely biased...
lysolluvswindex 11 months ago
No, we don't agree that it is universally wrong to kill a human being. It is wrong to kill a born baby, but it is not wrong to kill a fetus.
The line about slavery might have been used back when slavery was legal, before we agreed that slavery was wrong. Likewise, we don't agree that abortion is wrong.
Mattmon2 11 months ago 18
@Mattmon2 So what you're saying is that if it's legal, it's right? So you let the government decide your own morals? Boy, and I thought conservatives were sheep!
Autumn6 8 months ago
@Mattmon2
Yes, that fetus will be a baby in 9 months. You are, effectively, killing a life before it has a chance to live on its own.
sarsfieldusmc 7 months ago
@Mattmon2 "No, we don't agree that it is universally wrong to kill a human being." Why is it ok to kill some humans but not others? Would it be wrong if society thought some humans of say a particular race or age were fine to kill?
LiveActionFilms 7 months ago 2
@LiveActionFilms
but you just said we know that it is universally wrong to kill a human, and now you are saying we dont agree to that, or that it isnt universally wrong to all people.
bubblemonster3 7 months ago
@LiveActionFilms Because those "humans" are residing in the body of an actual existing human being. Sorry, but no matter how much you believe it is so, the rights of an unborn being do not override the rights of the existing human being whose body said unborn is currently residing in.
rgmztxy 7 months ago
@rgmztxy
Exactly right! These pro-lite folks cant "protect" a fetus, without affecting a woman.
So how do they plan on doing that? What have they got in mind? Every time I see one of these clucks
on TV , NOT ONE WORD about how they would put into
actual practice this idea of "defending" fetuses. They run from that like a College Republican
runs from a recruiter!
Hexl702 7 months ago
@LiveActionFilms Well, if you consider several months before you're born to be an "age", then yes, we can kill humans of a particular "age".
Mattmon2 6 months ago
Why is Live Action doctoring and "altering" videos???
Disgusting political propaganda. Pathetic.
Watch: youtube.com/watch?v=o5nL2j2B9W0&feature=feedu
goog2k 11 months ago
Dumbest video ever.
You can't compare slavery to abortion. They're not analogous.
TheTubeTimeMaster1 1 year ago 2
we know universally that its morally wrong to kill a human being? really? whys the bible have so many instances where god or someone commanded by god kills people? why are people being killed everyday if we know its morally wrong? maybe people just say its wrong and take the saying at face value, without determining whether its a fact. science doesnt make moral judgments.
Pelonetillo 1 year ago
Wow, this is these are the high-end counter arguments? How compelling.
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3
The arguments are easily invalidated by the fact a clump of cells does not equal a legitimate human child.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
@Rawrlor Agreed. Although to be fair that clump of cells is still human, just not a child nor exhibits any person-hood.
MaterialBoyx3 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3
Fair enough. They are human cells, but not human children or persons.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
@MaterialBoyx3 a clump of cells is not a human...it's a mass of tissue and not even that at conception...
lysolluvswindex 11 months ago
@lysolluvswindex so why do abortions result in dismembered and bloodied arms, legs, feet, hand and heads?
KnightOwl2006 11 months ago
@KnightOwl2006 r u seriously asking that? those are illegal abortions that are not supposed to be done...you cannot have an abortion when u are in ur 2nd trimester...educate urself and don't listen or believe the first thing u hear
lysolluvswindex 11 months ago
@lysolluvswindex says: you cannot have an abortion when u are in ur 2nd trimester...educate urself
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ yes, you CAN. Women can STILL have late term abortion under certain circumstance., and youre tellling someone else to get educated? LOL
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 yes your right i worded that incorrectly but not anyone can have a late term abortion and that person made it sound like EVERY abortion ends in dismembered body parts which it does not.
lysolluvswindex 10 months ago
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@lysolluvswindex says: that person made it sound like EVERY abortion ends in dismembered body parts which it does not.
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Oh, Im sorry, and I know what you mean. I dont know if these people dont know all abortions dont end in dismemberment, or they just dont want to admit MOST dont.
Sueezee1 10 months ago
@Sueezee1 yes exactly! and when women have abortions that are that late it's typically because the fetus is harming the mother
lysolluvswindex 10 months ago
@lysolluvswindex Almost every abortion ends in dismembered body parts. The human heart begins beating at 21 days post conception. Unborn children begin sucking their thumb at 9 weeks post conception. You should go to the Endowment for Human Development website to get the information. For example, "The hands begin to move" at 6.5 weeks. Most abortions are after this point.
LiveActionFilms 10 months ago
@LiveActionFilms that's not true at all. and because there is a heartbeat does not make a fetus viable outside of the womb thus constitutionally a woman is allowed to have an abortion...and i don't trust websites that interest groups supporting them. Why do you feel like it's your job to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies? If you cared and fought for children living outside of the womb as you do inside the womb the world would be a MUCH better place
lysolluvswindex 10 months ago
@LiveActionFilms You claim that life begins at conception. But that's some backwards 1400's Vatican bullshit talk. I'll tell you exactly when life begins...it begins the moment you're finally self-aware. The moment you finally understand your existence is when you first begin to appreciate the value of life.
If you don't have self-awareness you're nothing...you might as well be a parasite dwelling inside a womb.
SaintJimmy76 10 months ago
@SaintJimmy76 It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception. Read any biology book. As for your definition of "self-aware", born children are not "self-aware". That is sick that you support the killing of born babies. Messed up!
LiveActionFilms 10 months ago
@LiveActionFilms if life begins at conception then how come 80% of fertilized eggs are flushed out onto a maxipad during the woman's period?
That's sick that you believe women are sick & twisted Mass Murders.
And dumbass, babies ARE self-aware...even before they're born. Why else do parents talk to the womb? So that the baby will already recognize their voices when the baby is finally born.
But thanks for your insight. You truly do care MORE for unborns than born babies.
Douchebag!!
SaintJimmy76 10 months ago
@LiveActionFilms BTW, please show me the scientific fact. I'm so sick of you Religious Whackos claiming science when the REAL scientific community is saying the exact opposite of what YOUR "scientific" facts are.
Ya'll claim to have "science" that the world is 6000 years old while the REAL scientific community claims that it's more like SIX BILLION YEARS OLD!!!
Piss off retard, you're clearly unequipped to exchange wits with me.
SaintJimmy76 10 months ago
Pro life virgins kind of bug me.
sickandtwistedchicks 1 year ago
LOL WOW
These are AWFUL and are completely irrational! Not to mention the girls look like streetwalkers. Jesus. I guess this is where all those sex slaves are ending up :/ Doing films for LiveAction!
BethisRad 1 year ago
If abortion is wrong because it ends the life of a human being, why the death penalty? Why invade other country and why commit crimes?
jackdoe83 1 year ago
Excellent. God bless.
urbanh196398105 1 year ago
@KuroNajja While we sit here typing lives are following the very pattern I've described. Your life is being influenced by a false god whether you're happy or not. People with severe brain injuries sometimes smile a lot,too. But they don't know why. People who abstain UNTIL Marriage& use natural family planning, ARE happiest, have almost 0% divorce rate, live longer. They think they're smiling because they're following God's plan.It's Now not my business what you do with your life. Kbyeeee
finishstrongdoc 1 year ago
What's good for girls? Same as what's good for guys: sex ed, try it,find playmate,fall in love,lose cherry,more sex,condom breaks,heart breaks,break up. Go home,feel sad.
Get drunk,sleep around,new playmate,more sex,condom breaks,break up,hate sex. Change sex,crotch hurts,go to"PP",Get "Pill",try Bi,more sex,forget"Pill",get PG,go to "PP",bye bye baby. Go home,feel sad,get drunk,get laid,get high get laid.
Or abstain.
PRO CHOICE MESSAGE
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lvsoad22 1 year ago
blah blah blah blah blah.. spend your energy talking about real flesh and blood human beings that die in genocides across the world every day
instead of arguing about fetuses that you did not create yourself
sargeantwelsh 1 year ago
These are TERRIBLE analogies....
DonutDazzler 1 year ago
@DonutDazzler Why is that? Do you have rational reasons or just opinionated conclusions?
LiveActionFilms 1 year ago
@LiveActionFilms They are not legally equivalent, and depending on the person, they are not morally equivalent, either. Also, killing innocent human beings is not "universally wrong," seeing as how there have been many cultures throughout history where such actions were an acceptable part of society. Societies change, and cultures change; there are no universals.
DonutDazzler 1 year ago
@LiveActionFilms because abortion doesnt affect others negatively. and if you think negative 8 months old babies know whats going on youre the retard. and souls dont have any standing in science so they are no argument.
neddomac 1 year ago
@neddomac " abortion doesnt affect others negatively"
It doesn't work out too well for the baby...
"if you think negative 8 months old babies know whats going on youre the retard"
So it won't react to having its limbs pulled apart?
Also, by this logic would it therefore be okay to kill a child after it is born one month prematurely?
DarthMambo 1 year ago
@DarthMambo no it wont... it doesnt have feelings or a brain or nerves so no it doesnt react it reacts LESS than a tree. im against abortion once the baby is starting to get seriously developed however early i dont mind. youre getting woked up over something that doesnt even exist yet. by my logic things that dont exist cant feel pain or be bothered by what was done to them (nothing because they dont exist).
neddomac 1 year ago