Belief in God - How?

[dimbulb23]

I've always thought if religious people approached the purchase of cars with the same mindset they use when the adopt a religion, we'd be neck deep in Yugos.  But invisible transcendent Yugo, of course.

[theProudMoslim]

if you want know about God then please read the Glorious Qur'an.Not the bible :)

[Kailoa36]

@theProudMoslim And you'll dicover it is just as silly of the Bible, the Tanach, the Book of Morman, and any other so called holy book you anyone ever dreamed up.

[theProudMoslim]

@Kailoa36 never

please dont bring the false books corrupted books with the Glorious Quran, the Glorious Quran is completely from God & its saved & pure.

U guys found the religions U born in it R false & thats Y U left it & bcs of the propaganda against Islam U guys didnt come to it & had no choice to go to atheism.

so please read the Quran & after that judge, read it completely & see other books also if U didnt see & then U will find Quran is from God & U will know God & know why U R here :)

[Kailoa36]

@theProudMoslim I am reading it. I just finished the first Surah. And so far I stand by my assessment. Anything is possible, but the likelyhood of my being convinced that anything in the Quran or any other "holy" book is from any god yet to proven real is remote. BTW I am also reading the other books I mentioned above. You might at least be glad to know that so far the Book of Mormon is the silliest of the four.

[theProudMoslim]

@Kailoa36 I am glad to see you searching the truth. continue searching & reading, & as I told U about the Quran read it completely & dont bring the idea of other books & try to implement it on Quran, bcs Quran is the unique book in the world :)

& ask God & pry to Him that if U R up if U R there then please guide me to U & ur path. & I am sure he will :)

God bless U & guide U to his path. take care :)

[Kailoa36]

@theProudMoslim You don't understand. I am not "searching for the truth." There is no such thing as "The Truth." There are true statement and propositions. There are false statements and propositions. That's all. I am reading all these documents because I want to know what they say for myself. I will not pray to your or anyone's imaginary god. I am not seeking any path to follow. No offense but I'm done here.

[theProudMoslim]

@Kailoa36 the God we worship is not imaginary:)

he helped and gave the victory to his bondmen on battle of bader they were just 314 & the enemy were nearly 1000 & have more weapons, so the prophet pried to God (O God if these few of your worshipers defeated then No ne will worship you, O God help us) then he helped them. he helped them in battle of Khandaq when the disbelievers were more than 10000 & wanted to destroy a city have population of 5000, but they field

P.T.O

[theProudMoslim]

@Kailoa36 continue

we will get nothing if you reached to the truth or not, But we will be happy that you will be saved if you guided.

this universe must have creator {Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?} Quran 21:30

& there is" Truth" so thats why we must achieve it, and U will achieve it by searching it :)

& if U had any qus then U can ask me

[Kailoa36]

@theProudMoslim Let me make this as clear as I possibly can and maybe even you will understand: You are the last person I will ask for any reason. This is my final communication with you. Have the last word if you wish, just understand that it will be ignored.

[theProudMoslim]

@Kailoa36 in my 2nd comment I said to U "take care", & its mean now do ur work & no more comments to me till U want a discussion, but U continued commenting , so is this my mistake?

if U dont want talk then why continuing commenting & why asking .Peace

[eric0598]

I think this misses the point. People do not believe Jesus was God because he multiplied fish, or any other magic tricks you refer to. His divinity was (supposedly) shown through acts of healing and rising from the dead. If someone today replicated the miracles attributed to Jesus, it would not be a weakness or ineptitude for a person to believe they have otherwordly powers. This assumes these act were witnessed in person - most reasonable people could admit TV/movies can be easily manipulated.

[NathanForster91]

I guess if someone makes a God claim, they need to prove it, so the question is...Does Jesus Christ prove it?

video.google.com/videoplay?doc­id=-3473983875617762630#

Now, don't get me wrong, this isn't a bible bashing video, it just helps answer your question. :)

[NathanForster91]

I guess if someone makes a God claim, they need to prove it, so the question is...Does Jesus Christ prove it?

Now, don't get me wrong, this isn't a bible bashing video, it just helps answer your question. :)

[gupsphoo]

I've thought about this question and even put myself in the position of a Christian to do so, but I couldn't come up with a satisfactory answer. I wonder if there are Christians who have seriously contemplated this and still remained faithful to their religion afterward.

[daddyg321]

What conflicts have been proven? David Koresh said "if I did that than I am God, and don't have to answer to you", that's not relly claiming to be God to reasonable people.So why would people listen to this guy?

[xxSilverPhinxx]

Faith is not about truth, its about accepting the ready made unsubstantiated answers that bring comforting certainty to the uncertainties of life. I feel I should be redundant on this one: what's valued there is not truth, just certainty.

Even if someone else appeared performing miracles but claiming to be something that does not fit the believer's belief, they would either try to first fit the new information into their beliefs or reject it because it attacks their certainties.

[xxSilverPhinxx]

People do share more or less the same standards of proof and I'd bet that if we were able to transport even the most fervent believers to the time of Jesus (let's say he did exist) before they were indoctrinated or grew up in a christian culture, tmost of them would probably *not* believe he was some sort of messiah.

[honda3265]

Very nice agree!

[honda3265]

nice i agree!!

[Sahuagin]

It seems that it's a part of the psychology of religion. Since the event is long enough ago, it is disconnected from reality, which is always necessary for any of this stuff to work. It's why they rely so much on stories and "testimony": painting pictures in the mind is the key element; it's probably related to dreaming; when you dream it doesn't matter how far fetched things get, you tend to believe it anyway. I think stories and testimonies access that same part of the mind, bypassing reason

[hdregmore]

Jesus wasn't believed by the majority of people in his time. Only his disciples believed, so this video is irrelevant.

[eequalsfb]

@hdregmore The observation that Jesus was unable to persuade people while he was alive is completely consistent with the message of this video. Are you sure you watched the video?

[hdregmore]

@eequalsfb Yes I have watched the video and the logic IS flawed. Jesus was not accepted by the community on large but WAS accepted by his disciples. Therefore the level of time in reference to the number of people who believe in is irrelevant. In the same way that many more people believe today that acupuncture is a legitimate practice (it is now used in the western world after being derided for many years). There are many similar examples. I suggest YOU watch it again.

[eequalsfb]

@hdregmore I don't know what you're talking about quite honestly. You seem to be commenting on another video.

[hdregmore]

@eequalsfb Nice try. The lack of logic is obvious to all and sundry.

[eequalsfb]

@hdregmore Finally, something we can agree on. Everyone can watch the video and see that you've been arguing against a straw man. You clearly didn't understand the video. You are not arguing against any of the points I made.

You say, "Therefore the level of time in reference to the number of people is irrelevant." I agree, it IS irrelevant! So, why did you bring it up? I certainly didn't.

You'll have to reference something I said in the video if you want to continue with this.

[hdregmore]

@eequalsfb The premise of the video is that the understanding of the events in the Bible are more implausible because of the period of time that has elapsed since the alleged occurrences, "generations ago", and their nonacceptance at the time. I have dispensed with both of these arguments. Do you always submit videos that you do not comprehend?

[hdregmore]

@eequalsfb You are now being very disingenuous. Your video talks about someone claiming to be God in modern times and people being skeptical. You are probably confusing yourself because you then talk of the bible and say "if they were happen today" which is stated at 1.16. You then say "how is it more plausible?". Just face the fact that whatever point you are trying to make has only come across as garbled nonsense. Now you say I am arrogant for misunderstanding your gibberish, you fool.

[eequalsfb]

@hdregmore You are obviously making it your business to misunderstand. There is no other reasonable explanation. You think I called you arrogant "for misunderstanding my gibberish"? I was very clear about why I think you are arrogant, but why should I expect you to get that right? You haven't been able to get anything right so far.

You are a troll. I knew you were before, but after looking at your troll videos, that has been confirmed. I have been far too patient with you. You are blocked.

[Deniecu]

Good question...

[pedrosm]

Anyway, science has proved that believing in God make you a much happier person. Beliver have 30% or more serotonine in their brain than atheist. I think thats a good reason also.

[giveyadadrum]

@pedrosm : That may be true. It may also make people happier if they believe in Pixies. I don't think that makes believing in non-existent Pixies a good (or healthy) thing.

[pedrosm]

I know some people who say they got cured from diseases that medicine couldnt cure just because of god. And some of them have proves, like exmans and etc...

I personally dont believe in any man in earth with divine capabilities, but I do believe in the existence of god, like a superior energy, or being, or whatever you wanna call it, and I have my reasons to believe... they may seem not very solid for you, but they are for me. After all, I am not obsessed by gods existence.

[giveyadadrum]

@pedrosm They may have evidence of a cure of a disease, but there has been no evidence advanced that god was the cure. If one excepts that diseases don't need a supernatural intervention to begin , doesn't it make sense they can sometimes just stop without a supernatural intervention (naturally stop). Secondly 'Solid' reasoning has to make sense to others, and be logically explainable to others. If some one just says they have solid reasons to believe 1+1=3 , is that an acceptable argument?

[yubarraboo]

I believed because I was brought up that way.

There were ALWAYS threats. Questioning is betrayal and a character fault except for ones like 'how can i believe better' or otherwise consensus serving rubbish.

There is also ego rewards and the security against uncertainty. This is the source of hate from the faithful exposed to criticism and questioning about religion.

The text? It's the last thing on the list. It has some passages that can be utilized for the above. Some chants/wards...

[AdventNoOmega]

I've been wondering the same thing as the maker of this video, I've been trting to figure it out since age 9 and I'm 22 now

[sciencemile]

Uhh, I'm atheist, but I don't think Joseph Smith said he was the Second Coming...maybe I just misheard what you said though.

[cyxgun]

@sciencemile Actually he did, check into it. He was busted for fraud a few times, once for claiming to be Jesus! This was long before he moved out west and found a new group of saps, I mean... mormons, that would actually fall for his BS.

[sciencemile]

Oh it was pre-Mormon ok, that's probably why I didn't remember reading about it <_<

[stengevarsel]

cyxgun,

Sorry, but there are no credible accounts of JS claiming to be Christ. And before the mormon church, he was busted for fraud only once, there are records of his arrest and court documents available from that particular case. Other than that, nothing. Oh, and I'm ex-mormon. I did some hard core research before I left the church.

[averagebear1]

Ahhhhhrg!! Stop asking so many questions!!! You're making me THINK. Do you realize that all our problems began with a QUESTION: "Did God really say........" (Gen. 3)

[nightmoon11]

best thing i can say to anyone wanting to decide on anything is just research and look into it, listen to what other people say and decide what you think, and be honest with yourself and motivations, somepeople choose to believe in God because they are scared rather than because of being a conclusion brought about by evidence, i am christian, but i have many problems with the way all denominations of christians and all other religions act/believe, rather than seeking religion one should

[nightmoon11]

cont- simply get to know God on a personal basis and not try to force their views on anyoneelse but can conversations about it with one another as long as they are respectful of eachothers viewpoints to share what they think, it is perfectly reasonable to want evidence and i myself would still like to see more, but i have seen some very interesting things, but then again objectively it could be stated i need a cat scan, although i think im fairly mentally healthy.

[Eoin11894]

I have proof of gods existence, i am jesus, therefore I am god! god is real!!

[furyofbongos]

To answer your question in a nutshell: Child abuse and the Stockholm Syndrome that goes with it. Children literally depend on their parent's approval for their lives. They know this deep down in a hard-wired way. Then the parents convey that they must believe in god or go to hell *and* meet my disapproval. The child *can't* oppose, it must go along to survive (the psych hard wiring). It's not about logic, it the Stockholm Syndrome -- *far* more powerful than any excellent display of rationality.

[ContinuumXT]

I hear a pussy cat 2:07

You dont hear christians you hear your cat.

[wiggitywack001]

i like this video because it's asking a very necessary question.

the answer to the question is: God-given faith.

i know this answer is so frustrating for many people...but the answer to your question of HOW a person can believe in the Bible is just this: God-given faith.

People know God and believe in the Bible by God's grace, which no one can earn...it's God's gift. As to the question of who receives such grace? It's all in the sovereign God's hands (hard to fathom and accept, I know).

[GroceryBag]

So, you have been blessed with this gift of belief by God, is that what you're saying? So, what about those of us who have not been so lucky as to be chosen to receive this sacred gift? Does God doom us to eternal torment in the fiery lakes of Hell because he did not bless us with "God-given faith"?

[PluralOfEverything]

I wonder if this is what the Greeks said about Zeus.

[wormsgarrett1]

@PluralOfEverything zeus is god

[koryfain]

just because you cant see it doesnt mean it isnt there. is air really there? You cant see it yet we all know it is there. It says in the Bible that when the second coming comes you will know it without a dout in ur mind. so idk if that helps but i know that i will know when it happens. God bless and i will pray for you all.

[xBucefallusx]

But the difference is that I can feel air, I can see what air does in a storm, we can feel the consecuences of the air being there.

[wiggitywack001]

Good point...

but we can also feel moral conviction, a yearning for something more than what's on this earth, a longing to be with someone or something, love...all these come from God - invisible, yes, but tangible nonetheless.

[taffer1979]

and I can see at work in people lives when they convert, when they are restored from sin(drinking, drugs, self hate, ect.) and when i pray for people or for things and god answers those prayers. So like air, I see the effects god has on the world.

[patrickledford420]

they changed there selfs wat about the atheist that dont drink party wat u see as sin

[PluralOfEverything]

You don't know it will happen. You want for it to happen.

[RationalFuture]

less evidence = more credibility :) I have always wondered about the answer too... Even as a kid at about the age of 8-9 I was wondering how to think about this stuff when it actually had no proof and there were many other stories like it...

[amtreicoaie]

you ll never get a serious intelligible answer from any religious... ( religion is not logical :))

[SexyMelon]

A very intriguing question.

But it's also important not to confuse moderate Christians, who don't really believe in talking snakes and stuff like that, who also wouldn't believe in uh... Multiplying fish. Just to make sure such thing even exists.

Maybe there's just this part of Christians who say they believe in Creation and stuff like that seriously, and when you get "real" miracles, another part stands up and says it's rubbish.

[fantasy0coach]

He can multiply fish!

How can I send him all of my money?

[ReligiousFiction]

Very interesting points.

[blueskies54321]

Read a book by Howard Storm called My Descent Into Death about his near death experience. He was formally an avid atheist and a college professor. He no longer is.

[mikzilla0]

Wow, I do a lot of research into the debates and stuff about the existence of God and the Bible and everything, and this is completely new to me. Yet, this may be the best logical point I've seen. Although, the religious person's response would be "faith".

[SuperiorApostate]

@mikzilla0 watch TheraminTrees and QualiaSoup videos.

[Tethloach1]

@mikzilla0 great answer debates defenetly convined me to be an atheist. on one side the atheist provided reasons and evidence and on the other the theist had no eveidence or vailid arguments from their atheism was available thats when i turned 19 .

[windham666]

it is far worse than just bewildering. it is like living with adults who never stopped belieing in santa#1 who will bring them presents when they are dead, EXCEPT THEY HAVE NUKElar weapons! yikes! 8 of ten sheeple on the bus are psychos with imaginary friends. why why why

[kenotube]

Good video. I think it's ironic that some people accept a 2,000-year-old hand-me-down storybook as proof of a specific god, while, for example, the O.J. Simpson trial, which was recent, provided mountains of actual evidence of his guilt, but 12 people rejected it. I am willing to bet money that a majority of those jurors believe in god. People have a tendency to make their desires become their truth.

[windham666]

YES. fear of death + fear of sin + fear of preachers= faith.

[cyberduhh]

i dont bielive in fucking god you see ive worked it out because of science and mankinds limited knoledge of the world and the universe that we live in we have no way of making sence or understanding everything so we invent something that gives us the answers or secret societys that try to control and manipulate the people to behave and act so nobody loses control fuck god and fuck you motherfucker and NO im not fucking sorry

[6gording6]

Ok somebody needs psychological help.How about you do what some atheist did,shoot up a school and kill those crazy loving Christians?You dont need to be sorry I forgive you.

[echoez71]

Erm, excuse me 6gording6, how does being an atheist influence a decision to 'shoot up' a school? I don't believe in a deity, that never pushes me to breaking point. How can you expect to understand evolution if you don't even recognise basic patterns in human behaviour?

[cyberduhh]

the concept of the devil was created by racist evil billionaire white men to control and manipulate common people the sooner you youngsters realize this the better as far as I'm concerned turn away from religion and become free you will become a better person from it

[6gording6]

I am free from religion.God freed me.The God they showed me in religion was the same God Jews worshipped,Jesus came to show us who God really is,he is one who want a personal relationship one that we dont worry about good deeds but in loving him and others.

[echoez71]

You're clearly free from something, aren't you? Free from reason, maybe? Not in touch with reality? Certainly free from the constraints of grammar, that much is evident. But then what's the point in education when you've got a god inside your head, eh?

[6gording6]

Exactly the point.The man the made the greatest impact on history didnt have an education.Jesus Christ.

[popjoeandco]

God is non-existent people. Get on with your lives,live in a way where you don't harm others and most of all enjoy your life to the full.

Science is the way forward

[Matt482942]

i thought you were very rational and respectful. Its pretty interesting the effect religion has on people. its reality for some and there is no convincing them. Look at

6gording6, lol.

Im kinda midway between Agnostic, Atheist, Deist. There was a time when i was a deep christian....but now i couldnt believe in it if i wanted to....its just too unreasonable

but i try to find a little wisdom in everything....Jesus said: "The kingdom of heaven lies within"

[6gording6]

Yea I used to be an atheist.I became atheist when I became religious,which was when I lost the understanding of the love God has for me.Honestly he loves everyone and always keeps forgiving waiting patiently for someone to love him back.He doesnt want people to follow him out of fear.The kingdom of heaven is love.Love is far beyond what people perceive.But yea you cant convince someone who has seen that which others cant.

[Matt482942]

you have seen that which others cant? do explain to me....but take it slow, im just an atheist

[6gording6]

Lol I see what you cant see.The exact reason why I am not an atheist.

[Matt482942]

lol...dude, i am sorry, but you are stone...fuck...nuts

lmao

[FallaciousGee]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"I lost the understanding of the love"

That is your mental problem. Feel free to have recourse to religion as long as you keep this therapy personal.

"you cant convince someone who has seen that which others cant."

As long as 1) you are sure what you have seen is not a product of delusion and 2) you are intelligent enough to explicate the logic of the phenomenon in question, you wouldn't really find it urgent to whine you can't convince someone of your finding.

[6gording6]

Lol delusion.What is delusion?Seriously you are still living in a box with no understanding of what delusion even means.You have no understanding of anything actually.All you know is the top of the sea but never look under it.Of course you would have to go in to see what is in there.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"What is delusion?"

/watch?v=bkhQLt1vbWU (from Christian viewpoint)

/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ (from non-religious viewpoint)

"All you know is the top of the sea but never look under it.Of course you would have to go in to see what is in there."

Have YOU ever looked extensively into the universe of rationality/science? Obviously you haven't. Of course you would have to go in to see what is in there.

[TheSavageWiseman]

You abandon logic, and replace it with blind faith, that is how. ;)

[6gording6]

I am sorry are these questions directed to believers or non believers?To be honest it was impossible for me to believe but I kept believing and now I have all the answers that prove my belief.When we first believe in God we dont know what it is we are believing but than comes a time when God starts to reveal who he is.Blind faith to knowing faith.Most people put God in a box they fail to understand his nature and his reasons and logic which people cant follow not even atheist,atheist r relgious

[liber8me]

atheists are religious? definition of religion is the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. ok here is atheism: we do not believe there is sufficent evidence to warrant that a god exists. thats it. exactly like you, but we do not mindlessly accept the discourse of religion that is most prevalent in our society. why? because there are THOUSANDS of gods. all of them have been made up. none have been proven.

[6gording6]

you guys believe in the "poof" theory lol similar to that of christians except that the poof was made by an intelligent being.Lol there is but one God that stands above all.

[eequalsfb]

1) I specified in the beginning of the video who these questions were directed to. Watch the video.

2) You claim that "atheists r relgious". According to you, there are no such thing as non-believers, so why are you asking if the questions are directed to believers or non-believers?

3) You said "it was impossible for me to believe but I kept believing". I think you are a very confused person.

[6gording6]

1)lol it was an inside joke.

2)lol this goes back to question number 1.

3)Lol I laugh at the ignorance and lack of understanding of this world.Read the whole comment in context.I claimed that and than I clarified by saying that "When we first believe in God we dont know what it is we are believing but than comes a time when God starts to reveal who he is.Blind faith to knowing faith"It was impossible for me to believe but(i had hope) I kept believing in that hope.

[liber8me]

so you are afraid of death and you believe in an invisible magic man because its wishful thinking i mean you hope he exists. i mean obviously who needs any evidence for the creator of the universe? there're only a couple of thousand but we already know which one is right... dont we? oh wait... no evidence. jeez umm well i think it was the religion my mummy taught me. she wouldnt have indoctrinated me if she didnt think it was good 4 me

[6gording6]

LOL afraid of death.I have already died and have been born again.This is the second birth and there is no second death.Lol there is one creator calm down.If you want to know how the creator is than look at the sun one of his creations.His love look at it.He lets it rise and set for you and me alike.You hate him I love him but he forgives you.That is my God the one God.Has any other God said that to you?Has any other God spoken to you directly like I.Well GOd doesnt lead his children astray

[liber8me]

no why would i hate a myth?

actually you are SO right about the sun! it is the great sun disc ATEN. i can feel his warmth on me and i can see my god! i can feel him inside of me, and he nurtures me. i speak to him often and he says that any invisible gods are just fake gods and since i can see him noone can disrove that he is the all powerful creator of the unvierse. he says he love you too my friend, for he generously allows you to also feel his warmth

[6gording6]

You dont hate the myth you hate me.You hate me because I have made this invisible God visible.I make GOd known to man.You cant say he is invisible no more because I am.Clarity is key to sanity.

[liber8me]

what? we've jumped from me hating god to hating you? lol i dont even know you and if i met you i doubt id hate you. just because you have a delusion that a supernatural force talks to you doesnt mean i hate you. i think its interesting how ppl of all different religions have the same experience. maybe its satan speaking to you to turn you from the one true god aten.

[TheSpindles]

Part 2.. Religious people want to believe it more than they do believe it..

They can't fathom the thought of this story not being true with the possibility of it being handed down as a method of power and control.

Because then we as non believers are spoiling their after life party. And they really can't handle that thought..

[pressonward]

It seems to me that you're probably oversimplifying the issue. For instance, I could use similar logic against "non-believers." Say for instance I build a house and I tell the passers-by that no one built it, it just came together by chance. No one would believe me, but many seem ready to believe that the world, which all would agree is greater and more complex than a house, came together by mere coincidence.

[eequalsfb]

Actually, as an atheist, I don't claim to know HOW or WHY the universe "came together", that is what SEPERATES believers from non-believers. Believers claim to know the creator of the universe personally, and to know what "he" wants. Non-believers don't make any claims, as you've projected.

[pressonward]

I don't mean to impose a stereotype on you, but many atheists do assert claims about origins of life, etc. The title of your video led me to believe that you had assertions contrary to theists, if I was wrong, I apologize. Perhaps a more direct (albeit less calculated) response would be to say that eternal truth has a certain resonance within the human soul that is reinforced through life experience, but admittedly less congenial to human logic on some levels.

[eequalsfb]

In truth it is an EXTREMELY rare occurance that a non-believer would describe abiogenesis as an "assertion" or "claim".

Secondly, I don't see how the title of my video could hint at "assertions", either. It is asking how belief in the unknowable is even possible. I make no claims in the video OR the title.

[pressonward]

I was simply saying that I misunderstood, I apologize.

[eequalsfb]

Not a problem, friend. Any idea how people believe in God, though?

[pressonward]

It's a complex issue and I don't think I could do it justice in 500 characters, but maybe I'll post a video response and we can have some dialogue.

[6gording6]

What he wants is love.Love between all.

[mirandansa]

6gording6: "What he wants is love.Love between all."

Can't YOU want love between all? Is it that you need to stuff your brain with biblical texts because you are naturally impotent in finding any moral context in everyday life?

[6gording6]

WTF are you talking about.Moral context?If you want morals go to catholic church where the hypocrites dwell.I have more than biblical text I have the understanding of the biblical text.Without understanding you have nothing.Lets just say you are not part of the place I am from.I have a wiser understanding of things.You are just a person who lack knowledge.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"I have a wiser understanding of things.You are just a person who lack knowledge."

Prove that.

[6gording6]

Lol Well the very fact that you need me to prove something,shows that you need something from me.Something you dont know or understand.

[Matt482942]

6gording6

dude, you sound like an arrogant jerk, lol

[6gording6]

Lol yea that is what people perceive me as, when I claim that the kingdom of God is with in me.Why did you put your phone number on your username?lol j/k anyways yea I am arrogant because i know what I know.Unlike socrates I know that I do know what I know.He knew that he didnt know but I know he wanted to know what I know.LOL

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"Unlike socrates I know that I do know what I know."

You only think you know that you do know what you think you know. Primitive and painless is to indulge yourself in this egoistical circle. It's a mental masturbation. Socrates didn't like that way of life because it heavily risks to be delusional, so he started to question everything.

[6gording6]

Exactly.Because people like you are delusional.They dont understand.Socrates questioned but never had the answers.I do.You dont.

[666daedsidog]

"Socrates questioned but never had the answers.I do.You dont."

Your arrogance is astounding

You have all the answers

How can you have all the answers? Are you god?

Answers to what?

Answer me this

When was jesuses birthday Where was jesus for most of his life And what date did he die

Should be pretty simple questions for someone with all the answers

Isnt being humble a virtue? Falsely stating you know all is not being humble and neither is putting yourself above Socrates

Idiot

[6gording6]

Lol Jesus was before this earth and his entire life he has been with the Father.I dont have the answers God does he simply gives them to me.Socrates asked questions anyone can do that,but who can answer them?I cant you cant only the Father can.

[666daedsidog]

"Lol Jesus was before this earth and his entire life he has been with the Father"

So essentially jesus didnt die for us Isnt that the base of your deathcult franchise?

"I dont have the answers God does he simply gives them to me"

Answers to what?

"Socrates asked questions anyone can do that,but who can answer them?"

So questions are bad and if a question is hard we must automatically assume 'goddidit'

Who can answer them you ask?

Well people who think about shit and dont assume 'goddidit'

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"They dont understand."

It can't be otherwise because you come up with no evidence, no proof. All your religious "findings" cannot but remain within your mind. You're making only your silliness more evident by saying that you aren't the one who is delusional. And you can't possibly call me delusional when I'm observing the very factor (whether any proof of your claim exists or not) which has been enabling me to stand outside of any delusional bubble concerning your claim.

[6gording6]

Typical you sound just like that brainwashed video I saw.You all sound the same.I guess it is your own cult that prevents knowledge.Anyways take care enjoy your bubble because I am your air.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"I guess it is your own cult that prevents knowledge."

Your guess is a gross self-deceptive lie, coming from your own mental stagnation. You're obviously not dealing with the fact that Christianity, your cult, has long prevented improvements in people's understanding of the universe. It has even denied this planet is global.

[6gording6]

Sure whatever.If you think that is what I believe go ahead.But you are wrong.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"you are wrong."

I say this planet is global, contrary to what the writers of the book of your religion thought. Am I still wrong?

[6gording6]

Yes.Youre going to be wrong no matter what.The only thing you will be right in is accepting the truth,which is that you are wrong.

[mirandansa]

6gording6,

So you think I'm going to be "right" if I accept as "the truth" the bible's claims that the Earth is not global etc. But I don't know how to. There are a bunch of evidences which strongly contradicts the book's view of the universe. I tried to learn something from VenomFangX, but none of his claims is backed up by real evidences apart from his sophism. The unscientific bible & the scientific facts... how are you dealing with this gap? Do you deny science?

[6gording6]

Miranda go do some research alright.If you look at a list of things people tell you that seem contradicting and you dont do research obviously you are going to remain ignorant.Well that is your perspective because I see you in a bubble suffocating eventually going to pop.

[mirandansa]

6gording6,

I do research. As often as possible when I come across someone's seemingly important claim that I happen to have no grip on. I'm a curious person, so I did research about e.g. Kent Hovind's or VenomFangX's claims. Only to find that they extensively ignore basic biological, geological, cosmological, etc. facts. (And I can't even discuss this issue on their channels because they censor every criticism of their belief.)

Now, you didn't really answer my question:

DO YOU DENY SCIENCE?

[6gording6]

I already told you what science is.Anything that can be seen and tested.Obviously evolution cant be tested and seen.Perhaps in millions of years we might have some proof but hey dont really care.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"Obviously evolution cant be tested and seen."

Ignorant. There ARE examples of how evolution actually works. Google "observed instances of speciation". Study the articles. Kent Hovind & Ben Stein & VFX etc. ignore these (in favor of their religious belief, not of their rationality). So do be careful when you watch their videos. Be more objective and critical. DO RESEARCH.

[6gording6]

Like I said I still havent seen any species evolve wings or become fish people.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"I still havent seen any species evolve wings"

You haven't because a species is unlikely to develop a good pair of wings during the life span of ours as humans (say approx. 70yrs). Our life is ridiculously too short to witness evolution of such complex organisms.

"or become fish people."

There is no such a thing. Fish did not directly evolve into mammals or primates but through a bunch of intermediate species. You can learn a summary here:

/watch?v=mX4pXFhZA28

[6gording6]

Exactly we cant witness evolution.Also all I saw on that vid was different kind of species,not evolution.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"Exactly we cant witness evolution."

No, I didn't say we can't witness evolution of any sort; I said we wouldn't directly witness evolution of WINGS because it would presumably take too long time.

An obvious example of evolution/speciation we can observe is the emergence a new influenza virus every year. Here are some more examples with explanations (3:48 onward):

/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4

[mirandansa]

6gording6,

"all I saw on that vid was different kind of species,not evolution."

Those different kinds of species are genetically "chained" through generations. They did not emerge altogether at once. As evidenced by e.g. their fossils being found in strata (rock layers) of varying periods of time.

/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8

/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI (a definite evidence of chimpanzees and humans sharing the same ancestor)

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"the very fact that you need me to prove something,shows that you need something from me.Something you dont know or understand."

Suppose there is a guy who claims to have been abducted by aliens. I demand a proof of the claim from himself. Does my demand automatically indicate any unintelligence of mine? No, I don't think so. Wanting a proof of a claim is a good intellectual need.

[6gording6]

Lol well if it did happen than yes you dont know something.

[mirandansa]

6gording6:

"if it (abduction by aliens) did happen than yes you dont know something."

But I can learn & know about it if a genuine proof is produced and I examine it. Intelligence and information are different things. The latter is that which is processed, and the former is that which processes. So, since I'd like to examine whether your claim is true or false, I demand a proof from you: prove that your "god" is real.

[daughtry4eva]

i think the atheist's symbol will be a question mark. A questioning, rational mind.

[AzmodanKijur]

Most of belief is acquired during childhood, when the mind is impressionable. The framework is dropped in and the child is setup to believe in a certain set of information. Add to that the idea that the parent allow this information to be passed on in a credulious manner (with no skepticism) and you have a new believer. Later, most people do not find it confortable to question this comfortable system they have grown up in. So do and leave; others reach violently and become fundamentalistic.

[farvision]

Nice explanation. ("So do" -> "Some do";

"reach" => "react", just being obnoxiously helpful ;-)

[AzmodanKijur]

Yes :D - "react" was a typo and "So do" was my keyboard failing to recognize inputs. Thanks!