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  • Фуфло!

  • this missile can destroy turret gun OFF from the tank

  • No sound! :(

  • wtf? metal disappear 0:36 wtf?

  • I wonder if turret roof ERA could at least "reduce" the damage done by Javelin ..........

  • The Modern Russian Kontact-5 ERA armour can stop a javelin.

  • The JAV has counters ERA

  • with this missile, iraqi armor will be useless

  • Check of the story of US Special forces in the opening days of Gulf War 2, fighting in the north behind enemy lines though they where less than a battalion of men in light vehicles like humvees, they took out a whole column of Iraqi tanks with nothing but these missiles.

    It was very much a repeat of the "Toyota War".

  • I thought there was no such thing..?

  • tanks are useless for now

  • tank looks fine to me...

  • Thats cause you weren't a crewman inside who would have been hit with molten steel and fragements, and then cooked and blown sky-high by secondaries.

  • well... on second thoughts it might seem that the people inside would be fucked... but would any of the equipment still be functional?

  • Soviet tanks have the weakness of having live rounds open inside the cabin, about a 90% chance they ignite and the the entire tank explodes sending the turret dramatically spinning up 100 feet. It was a common sight in Desert Storm.

    Western tanks "may" be salvageable but normally so damaged they are scuttled with thermite and high explosives to prevent the enemy getting any valuable components.

  • part of the reason for uranium tipped tank rounds, aside from the obvious straight up piercing capability, is the radiological after effects. ask a gulf war tankman about em lol

  • Well I have asked specialists in biochemistry and they call it DEPLETED uranium for a reason, its radiological effects are extremely slight, more dangerous for its chemical properties.

    It's a heavy metal like mercury so it is dangerous in that way but impossible for it to kill someone from acute radioactivity alone.

    Gulf war veterans have lived with DU shrapnel in them for almost 2 decades now yet no significant increase in cancers or organ failures have been found within this group (IAEA)

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  • You should be wary of conclusions made by soldiers as though brave and skilled they lack the scientific background to make such assertions.

    Consider during WWII, hundreds of thousands of Marines died of malaria to spite ample amounts of effective drugs being distributed as false rumours spread around that the pills caused impotence/infertility, so they were discarded.

    So many died as rumour was valued over scientific rigour.

    Rumour could have a healthy limb amputated because of DU shrapnel!

  • i think your giving this little discussion too much weight, no one is going to amputate anyone's arm over a youtube comment lol.

    but seriously, im just saying it was hazardous and intended to cause harm even after the tank was destroyed. the rumor of the DU's after effects are an addition to the weapon's power of control over an enemy if only psychological. This is a little different than WWII's malaria ignorance, we're talking about a poisonous element that is used to facilitate killing people

  • Well this discussion is a reflection of a greater ignorance of scientific investigation and analysis that stems from how most people so fundamentally don't understand radiation.

    Doctors and medics, especially in the chaos of a war-zone are vulnerable to rumours like these.

    The poisonous effects of DU have never been depended on or even factored by any battlefield tacticians. Only its kinetic effects.

  • On the other hand, being wary of soldiers conclusions could cost you your life, take WW1 as an example, where a Canadian soldier disovered that, if you urinate on a rag, and breathe through it, mustard gas was rendered ineffective as the urine neutralized it

    This guy was definitly brave, and surely not a scientist, but he managed to figure this out, perhaps he had enough knowledge to know what pH level piss and mustard gas had, and said the hell with it, im going to die anyway right?

  • In fact back then in WWI with the urine soaked rag, the govt scientists DID listen to the soldiers but applied scientific method that proved it worked and so the modern gas mask was invented.

    Scientists depend on anecdotes to start an investigation but if it does not stand up to scientific rigour then you cannot then just ignore the results and go back to depending on the original rumours.

    The risk of DU has been investigated and been found to have insignificant risk.

  • Cancer rates are VERY considerable, not among US tank men, but among Iraqi children. It's called Depleated because it's supposed to be the U238 left over from the extraction of U235,

    One mole of U238 emits 3 million alpha particles per second, and it has a half life of 4.46 billion years. Alpha particles can be stopped by dead skin

    In lumps it can do you little harm, but any of the dust, if ingested, WILL cause cancer. The lethal dose is 1/80,000gm.

    The stuff is evil.

  • That's a nice amateur opinion you have there but the professional medical opinion is that there is no significant risk from Depleted Uranium beyond that of similar dense metals like tungsten or lead.

    You are clearly exaggerating from an uneducated position with hyperbolic statements like: ingested dust "WILL cause cancer".

    The stuff is not evil. You are just ignorant.

  • This isn't an opinion, it's first principle consiquence.

    When you have an arguement get back to me.

  • I'm not making an argument, there is nothing to argue over, I am merely stating the fact that medical professionals have found the risk to be insignificant.

    If there is any argument then it is with the experts in those fields in a proper forum, but till then you can either choose to follow the scientific facts or stick your fingers in your ears and go "La la la la" and just make up your own fantasies.

    Philosophy like "first principle consiquence" (as you struggle to spell) is irrelevant here.

  • I gave you the facts.

    When you find this 'forum' let me know, because it seems to me that vested interests have been surpressing the creation of one.

  • By forum I mean medical journals like The Lancet, which you seem to have a vested interest in ignoring.

    You also gave me irrelevant and spurious facts without considerate analysis. For example there are higher cancer rates in Iraq yet not amongst the dozens of other large sample groups exposed to VERY high levels of depleted uranium. Iraq cancer rates are mostly linked to how the country was a chemical waste-ground from Saddam Hussein's poor running of the country, not DU.

  • Chemical waste ground? You appear to believe that any insult will go unchallenged because it's Saddam.

    We both know who was spreading toxins.

    Talk to the special clean up teams who were working on the DU hit tanks, if you can find any still alive. Curious, isn't it, that shaped charge and squish head hit tanks required no 'Special Clean Up' teams.

  • How can I possibly discuss with someone who's so wilfully ignorant and confused? It's like trying to explain evolution to a creationist, you have an idea stuck in your head and it just will not budge.

    I have better things to do with my time, actually anything is a better use of my time than trying to tangle with your rambling thought processes, massive leaps in logic and endless irrelevant tangents.

    I've said my peace, anyone dumb enough to believe your baseless claims, more fool on them.

  • i lol @ ur youtube bs.

  • DU dust doesn't cause cancer, birth defects, or any major health problems. That also applies to fragment in the body. Look it up in the World Health Organization.

  • I agree with you. I think that there should be more worries about such things as halovalent chromium, and several other heavy industrial chemicals which were widely dispersed in Iraq. The halovalen chromium is very, very poisonous!

  • WHO do not investigate radiation issues, since 1954, when it became the responsibility of the IAEA, who, incidentally only use modeling of radiation risk of sources outside the body.

  • Theres no guaranty it will cause cancer. Great for killing tanks though ;)

  • it scares me...

  • If this is in reference to the other footage of a T-72 being blown to pieces then, yes, that probably was faked. I've seen photos of T-55 that were knocked out and were more whole. A lot of "tests" are actually done for display. The real test footage won't be as impressive but much more informative.

  • My bro's FIL is SO proud to have been part of the ifrared camera team for the Javelin. He has some sort of a medal an Army General gave him, and he treasures it.

  • I met the soldier who fired that particular javelin, met him at a fair today. goofy kind of guy though

  • well the mute sux

  • you brits do know that the u.s is ranked 1st in the world when the U.K is ranked 16th in milititary power

  • Just luk at the british police compared to the yanks, fuckin laff at the yanks.

  • So? Was it penetrate or not?

    By the way, that was T55, more then 50 years old tank. So, how about T90 with ARENA?

  • the javelin has a two stage warhead design, the first stage goes through the reactive armor and the second, larger warhead penetrates the original armor. the javelin is a fire and forget system, so once a good lock is achieved, the target is tracked by an imaging infrared 'eye'.

  • I think the large hole in the armour and the smoke pouring from the turret hatch indicates penetration. I dont think that any tank, T-90, leopard 2A6, M1A2, Merkava 4, could avoid a penetration if struck on the turret roof, just not enough armour and too much warhead. Nor would ARENA be much help, as its mission profile would not allow it to engage a steeply diving target. That said, this particular shot might not have killed the above mentioned tanks as it hit the fender.

  • As we can see... We can see nothing!

    Look, the rocket hit tank not directly in the turret roof.

    Javelin destroyed fuel tank or box with tools, tracks, damaged turret and side armor but was penetration or not? Maybe not.

    By the way.... Russians maintained active armor on the top of turret.

  • fucking admit it people. Javelin + Tank = No javelin and tank in flames.

    we're not talking RPG here its always going to hit from above. and its always going to do more damage that way. Period. End of Discussion.

  • Ok, Javelin is awesome! Tank is in flame.

  • Lol Zoryadanis why dont we fire that into your asshole.

  • it has been proven to kick fucking ass no matter what, how about ur house with hedges?

  • yeah..

  • ...couldn't agree more. if they'd at least slap some extra armor onto it, it'd be worth of a YouTube video, lol

  • holy crap. wow.

  • Doesn't prove the tank was destroyed or out of action.

  • theres no sound in the video, but if i remember the episode right the narrator said that sensors showed that temperatures were over 1200 degrees inside the tank. any soldiers inside would have been cooked.

  • taxpayers money

  • we are fighting 1960s and 1970s tanks. just like the one in the video.

  • HOLY CRAP!!!! DID YOU SEE HOW IT DESTROYED THAT 1950's TANK!!! OMFG!!! AMERICA NEEDS TO MAKE MORE OF THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • lol it's an asome weapon but it isnt $80000000.00 4 1 round wuesten is right 80000

  • O.o

  • i thought it said 20,000

  • na dudes your both wrong. 80,000$

  • right 80,000$ is correct

  • Heh, the Javelin CLU actually makes up most of the price (And it isn't disposable, or isn't supposed to be), the missile itself isn't all to expensive. And yes, it is a very big missile. You wouldn't want to see one coming at you.

  • no.. 80,000.00$ heh, mybad

  • Meh, Trophy is better. Arena is essentially a massive shotgun. Which, although effective, generally takes out your infantry support. Trophy just knocks the war head off the missile with a single-couple kinetic interceptor (Sorta like the Missile Shield except micro sized)

    Also, a normal tank generally costs $500,000, so $80,000 vs $500,000.....yay.

  • "Also, a normal tank generally costs $500,000, so $80,000 vs $500,000.....yay."

    Dont write if you dont know. Abrams costs almost 4,5million and T-90 about 3 million. Of course some junk tanks like T-55 costs about 80.000$

  • Well, a tank does more then your normal AT Missile. So, 80,000 vs 80,000. Now, we take what comes with it, Tank needs Ammo, Gas, and crew. "Javelin" AT Missile needs missile and person to shoot it. So, when the AT Missile kills the Tank, the side using the tank took a bigger blow then the side who just fired the missile. And the main cost is the Javelin Controller unit too, not the missile.

  • Dont write me like that. I was loader of Leopard 2 A4 in FDF.

    I certainly dont need little kid to tell me about tanks and AT-missiles.

    "So, 80,000 vs 80,000."

    Normal tank like T-90 does not cost 80.000 it's far more expensive.

    "the side using the tank took a bigger blow then the side who just fired the missile."

    No need to tell this to me.

  • Heh by "Nomral Tank" I mean the types people with Javelins generally face, Example: T-72 and T-80s, which are around in huge numbers, and cost around 500,000 a piece. NOT Leopard 2s (Oh yeah, congrats on the loader job, the Leopard 2 is epic) There aren't even very MANY T-90s to begin with. And yes, I know the T-90 would have to cost more then 1/2 a million dollars.

  • IIRC T-90 that have been sold to India have been around 1.5 million and AFAIK those don't have IR systems that western tanks have.

  • "normal tank like t90" stfu.

  • t-90 is like half the price of a normal m1abrams

  • T-90 my ass. That looks no more recent than a T-64. Score one; American weapons. Next they should build time machines, to go back 40 years with this amazing technology.

  • so... they just spent $80,000 to put a hole through an $80,000 tank. epic win.

  • oh yeah! Because your Brits or w/e the hell you are don't test their weapons the same way we do... you should take more interest into what your half ass army does. We saved your ass in WWII and beat your ass the times before now stfu u panzy ass bacon obsessed prick.

  • Actually, my country won WWII. I just had to laugh at a video displaying a state-of-the art US weapon destroying an old Soviet tank.

  • You do realise that the British army is the best trained in the world?

    You merely outnumber us, dont think your better just cause your bigger :)

    And even if America was alone in WW2 you guys wouldnt stand a chance against the German Army back then..

    Be gone you Yankee twat.

  • HAAHAH

    i dident know u fuckers were comedians too

    HAHAHHA

  • lol, best trained in the war? Why dont you visit the world first and let them fuck you in the ass first before you say that.

  • oh yeah, and guess who you bought those javelins from assholes? Lets talk quality here. Just cuz you're all royal and shit doesnt mean you can beat a good ol' fashion

    M16. Stick with your longbow.

  • @avsti That tank's probably more like half a million or more.

  • @phantom9498 Yeah exactly, it's looks to be a T55 maybe which is a total peice of trash now.

  • @phantom9498 google the cost of a T-55 tank. one website said as low as €40,000 = $48,968

  • @avsti Usually, the tanks of nowadays are 1 million $ +

  • @FranciscoSRO2 I'm not arguing against it - just pointing out that in this BA Javelin video, the tank was a POS by today's standards.

  • @avsti this weapon dont just shoot 1 time, it will finish atleast 3-4 tanks before the soldiers fall back.

  • That is a rather large missile

  • Harris, you are always saying????? what makes you the expert you gun nerd!!! you proberbly read soilders of fortune on the toilet to break up the day at the office!

  • Hah!!))) Each one cost 80000$... In new russian tanks they use "ARENA"-active anti missle sistem... So, there is no point in use this thing... In Iraq maby...LOL)))

  • i figured that javelin missiles are 80.000$ when i died in cod4 . it said "a single javelin missile costs $80.000"

  • E!!! That's right... They made fantastic game!!! but how terrorists could buy or theft nukes??? Unbeliaveble story... but i like it)))

  • hmm steal lol

  • plus i saw this episode of Future Weapons and that was a fake round. If it was a live around it would be off this earth.

  • yep. just like every enemy america faces.............

  • lol that tank looks pretty outdated. a javelin dont do squat against a modern tank unless it is immobilized. tanks have pretty advanced defencesystems these days.

  • OWNED.

  • sucks to be the crew inside a tank that gets hit by a javelin

  • RPG is not even close to having the same power....

  • IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH ARMOR THE TANK HAS! It hits it on the roof hatch. (Just a note for those of the stupid people out there, armor on the roof hatch=weight, weight on the roof hatch= no way in or out.

    Even if it hits the tank's front armor, it still has two tandem shaped charges that can penetrate over 1,000mm of steel plate.

  • instead of saying 1000mm, why not say 39.37in.?

    this way, the americans with their unsurpassed technological advancements may understand.

  • I believe Iran has pretty good tanks, besides America is heading for a conflict with China and Russia.

    Besides russian kornets did a number on the very modern merkava's. They might not be as effective against abrams, but they will still do the job given a few hits from the side or back.

  • No way man, those tanks are too expensive to waste on a firing range. And plus, no enemies of America or other Western forces posses tanks equipped with those high-tech armour anyway.

  • No. no enemies at all. we are the only ones with armor. yep. keep churnin' out them javelins.

  • bad it dont have sound...

  • love that show! i am the only person who rated? How sad...

  • ooooooooo wea letal

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