1866, Senator Jacob Howard, author of the 14th Amendment:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers".
@gsuitter Howard's definition is NOT in the Constitution, and the rest of the quote says that Native-Americans shouldn't be given citizenship either. Are you still gonna stand by Howard on that one?
With all due respect, Congressman, you are completely wrong. The 14th Amendment makes NO mention of the citizenship of one's parents. Secondly, nobody's been convicted of treason since 1952 and there hasn't been a draft since '73. So how are either relevant? And the children of diplomats don't get citizenship because their diplomat parents have diplomatic immunity in the States. Apples and oranges. Birthright citizenship has been the law since 1868. Get your clocks fixed.
@DoubleTalkingJive The 14th Amendment states those born in the US and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens"
Supreme Court, 1884 Elk v.Wilkins,the phrase "subject to jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States", i.e. illegal immigrants.
@gsuitter Elk v Wilkins referred to a Native-American who was denied birthright citizenship because at the time Indian tribes were seen at foreign nations on American soil.
By the way, the Elk v. Wilkins rule was made obsolete by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924,
@DoubleTalkingJive "children of diplomats don't get citizenship because their diplomat parents have diplomatic immunity". What is the source of this diplomatic immunity, US code? It's not mentioned in the Constitution.
If the Constitution through the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to ALL persons born in the US, birthright citizenship can not be swept under the rug through legislation granting "diplomatic immunity". Such a law would be in direct opposition to the constitution.
@gsuitter Google Wong Kim Ark and read the ENTIRE decision. Gray specifically defines "natural-born citizen" as one who's born in the U.S. and whose parents are not employed in a diplomatic capacity by the foreign power to which they are subject.
And diplomatic immunity has been around for decades. It's not exactly new legislation.
Bilbray is right and in fact. In addition, E-Verify confirms that new hires are eligible to work in the United States legally. These illegal aliens, mex. and others need to be prevented from getting our U. S. jobs. Get out illegals.
ALIENS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 14TH, NEITHER DO PERMANANT RESIDENT ALIENS THIS IS A GLOBALISTS INVENTION, ALL THIS BULLSHIT IS.
NONE OF THESE CONGRESSMEN CAN TOUCH THE TRUE 14TH IT IS OUT OF THE REACH OF CONGRESS.
SO THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A FAKE OR CORPORATE 14TH.
sharonanony 1 year ago
NO CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS QUALIFY.
FIRE ALL THE CONGRESS FOR TREASON TO LET THIS INVASION OCCUR.
THEY ALL MUST GO, AND SO DO THE JUDGES.
sharonanony 1 year ago
1866, Senator Jacob Howard, author of the 14th Amendment:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers".
gsuitter 1 year ago
@gsuitter Howard's definition is NOT in the Constitution, and the rest of the quote says that Native-Americans shouldn't be given citizenship either. Are you still gonna stand by Howard on that one?
DoubleTalkingJive 1 year ago
With all due respect, Congressman, you are completely wrong. The 14th Amendment makes NO mention of the citizenship of one's parents. Secondly, nobody's been convicted of treason since 1952 and there hasn't been a draft since '73. So how are either relevant? And the children of diplomats don't get citizenship because their diplomat parents have diplomatic immunity in the States. Apples and oranges. Birthright citizenship has been the law since 1868. Get your clocks fixed.
DoubleTalkingJive 1 year ago 3
@DoubleTalkingJive The 14th Amendment states those born in the US and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens"
Supreme Court, 1884 Elk v.Wilkins,the phrase "subject to jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States", i.e. illegal immigrants.
gsuitter 1 year ago
@gsuitter Elk v Wilkins referred to a Native-American who was denied birthright citizenship because at the time Indian tribes were seen at foreign nations on American soil.
By the way, the Elk v. Wilkins rule was made obsolete by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924,
DoubleTalkingJive 1 year ago
@DoubleTalkingJive "children of diplomats don't get citizenship because their diplomat parents have diplomatic immunity". What is the source of this diplomatic immunity, US code? It's not mentioned in the Constitution.
If the Constitution through the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to ALL persons born in the US, birthright citizenship can not be swept under the rug through legislation granting "diplomatic immunity". Such a law would be in direct opposition to the constitution.
gsuitter 1 year ago
@gsuitter Google Wong Kim Ark and read the ENTIRE decision. Gray specifically defines "natural-born citizen" as one who's born in the U.S. and whose parents are not employed in a diplomatic capacity by the foreign power to which they are subject.
And diplomatic immunity has been around for decades. It's not exactly new legislation.
DoubleTalkingJive 1 year ago
Bilbray is right and in fact. In addition, E-Verify confirms that new hires are eligible to work in the United States legally. These illegal aliens, mex. and others need to be prevented from getting our U. S. jobs. Get out illegals.
icicioic 2 years ago 4