ok, heres the thing, if a life form (like you) isn't a cat it will never, ever be a cat or anything else. genetics is the nail in the coffin of the dead horse that is evolution but you atheists just keep beating it expecting it get up and run for you... the atheist creation myth is even harder to believe than the christain one. how many happy accidents of this or that natural process did it take before people had eyes that werked? with light? allowing you to see, in in depth? oh forget it
@cwross1976 "how many happy accidents of this or that natural process did it take before people had eyes that werked?" May I suggest that you research how natural selection works? The reason we have eyes is not by some chance, but because they were specifically selected for. Genetics is the very foundation of evolution, we can see exactly where deletions and duplications have occurred and continue to occur, and we can see where two human chromosomes have fused during evolution.
You look at is as an accident, we look at it as life. Evolution is 100 percent proven buddy, and you can straight up deny the facts all you want. Christianity has been circling the drain since Darwin came in and you guys started to take the bible as a metaphor instead of literal. Get over it.
Yesterday I had a discussion with the brilliant orthopedic surgeon where I work. A man of great scientific education. He was testifying about his incredible "faith" and how he came to be deeply religious. He went on about how there were absolutely "no transitional forms" for any species, especially humans, and that evolution is wrong. The vast chasm of his knowledge and his faith just astounded me. I don't know how he rectifies the two in his own mind. I was stunned & at a loss for words.
@rmcdaniel423 That's exactly like my dad. He's an extremely intelligent guy when it comes to engineering, management and pretty much every field of business, but he's been brainwashed by religion. He refuses to believe in human evolution, no matter how many times me and my sister have tried explaining it to him. It's really frustrating.
"Random mutations consistently destroy information." P. 15; "Selection cannot rescue the genome." P. 69; "Mutation / selection cannot even create a single gene." P. 123; "All evidence points to human genetic degradation." P.143 - Genetic Entropy & The Mystery of the Genome by Cornell U. Genetics Professor John Sanford. He holds 25 genetic patents and is the inventor of the gene gun. He is truly an expert on the subject of mutations and natural selection. Evolution is a fairy tale for adults.
Think whatever you want. A brainwashed humanoid like you is the reason why the world has become such a troubling place for people to have a peacful existance. You are extremely selfish.
@oldhank2003 wow! thats incredible! so its because of people like me who are interested in facts and evidence and actually understand how genetics and evolution work that the planet is doing poorly? I am selfish apparently because I am educated. all of your bile is just pathetic. you're another ignorant fool talking bullshit about genetics - a matter you CLEARLY known nothing of. i just love how this topic has gone from me stating simple facts to you insulting and accusing me of selfishness.
@oldhank2003 yep, its you calling me selfish because unlike you I actually understand genetics. apparently people who understand how cells work are the great monsters of the universe destroying entire planets.
well, thanks for the chuckle, its always nice seeing fools like you slip up and betray your ignorance. ill let you get back to enjoying all those "genomes" inside you LOL. you really do speak like a child and use childish terms like "dork". what a brainwashed fool.
@oldhank2003 still finding it an endless source of amusement how you accuse me of being selfish when YOU are the one who started off insulting me and demonstrated your clear ignorance on this topic. what a brainwashed fool you really are. you are completely ignorant of science or basic genetic concepts yet you take it out on me when I state basic evidence. brainwashed fool is all I can say about you.
@oldhank2003 lol you really are a childish brainwashed fool arent you? does it hurt to know that your very own chromosomes betray your ignorance and are just another fact demolishing the argument put forth by creationists? I provided evidence and all you did was respond with childish insults and demonstrate your profound ignorance on this topic. that says it all really.
@AussiePolitics well i don't know about the other guy but my chromosomes indicate to me that data, you know like your thoughts as you read this, must come from somewhere... so far we are not aware of everywhere (i love the english language... so stilted and dense...) so maybe we just don't know yet where God is. you don't bvelieve that though... you have faith that God does not exist, it must be faith because you sure as hell (pun intended) don't have proof.
@cwross1976 I would not bring chromosomes into this because they provide a living record of the mutations and fusions which led to the human species, in fact we can still see the exact location where two fused together throughout history because the telomeres are still there.
"you have faith that God does not exist". wow, so by your logic you have faith that zeus, baal and the thousands of other gods humanity has invented does not exist. or do you dismiss them because there is no evidence?
@AussiePolitics thats not evidence.you crazy nut. thats a fabricated story. Its similar to the "scientific/ medical genius' " who tried to devise a polio vaccine. But instead started a cancer epidemic. Get your nerdy eyes out of the micro scope lense & check da real world. and consider all true environmental factors. You narrow minded p brain.
@oldhank2003 "similar to the "scientific/ medical genius' " who tried to devise a polio vaccine. But instead started a cancer epidemic" got any proof for that claim or did you just make this bullshit up like your 'genomes'?
this slide show is inno way comprehensive; nor is it meant to give an in depth description of each ...SPAGHETTI... shown and the differences between them.
If this vid, (or any "history" the "distinguished" learning ministries teach) is what you call solid evidence, its of little wonder your science and your religion are in a constant cycle of living in a lie. Thers lots you have to learn. my son
By the: when the voids of a theory are filled with unproven (but pure) speculation, da "educated" folks accept it as being factual (if it repeated enough). science is common sense made difficult to grasp& purposely keep people under da man's thumb. my son.
Referring to the Lander/Patterson theory of May '06,
Time (Oct 09, '06) says:
"That could explain why some of the most ancient fossils now considered human ancestors have such striking mixtures of chimp and human traits - some could actually have been hybrids."
Recent Neanderthal evidence points to it being the last in a series of hybrids.
Did any1 else notice that the archeologists find fragments of bones? And fill in the remaining blanks with speculation? As more evidence comes to surface they adjust their story (even though it prooves beyond a reasonable doubt that r wasting their time & money on fictitious BS.
@oldhank2003 Fictious BS. In case you seem to have missed it, the foresic sciences greatly depend of the skills of anthroplogists. Not a year goes by, sadly, that their skills are not called upon to take the fragmentary remains of a person, create a skull (by mirror imaging missing segments) and produce a face that leads to one: identifying an missing person, and two: leading to a conviction of their murderer. Once a basic ID is made, DNA can be used to confirm a match. (Continued)
@oldhank2003 The science is clearly defined and borne up by study after study. When you can say the same, and start getting some convictions out of it, you might be taken more seriously. Now, other than making a further fool of yourself, do you have anything else to say? Maybe something backed up by peer-review for once. And BTW, those forensic skills? You can start learning those thru any book on anthroplogy and biology.
@NorthForkFisherman Making silly faces doesnt proove dat humans evolved from apes. you dum ass. and repitition is a basic form of brain-washing. by not beleiving in fictitious theories makes me "look stupid'. Thats ok by me. Artistry and imagining images is not factual science. But, if u think that its fool-proof and validated science, you're obviously pretty stupid.
@oldhank2003 Almost had me there for a minute. Considering that the science behind forensic identification and paleoanthropology is virtually the same, there really is nothing to debate here. So, this indicates you are not more than a waste of skin troll. As such, until you can bring forth an argument worthy of my time, I'll ignore you. Bring your "A" game or bugger off.
@oldhank2003 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Creationists... What form of evidence do you guys even have for your claims? It all basically boils down to false claims, ad hominems and shouting. It is not up to YT commenters to educate you about evolution (or even basic science); go read a book. Either that or admit that you have no desire to seek the truth - only to promote your dogmas.
@TheSilverDragon Ditto. But, read the world around you,son. Those "educational" books are brainwashing material. Maybe you'll understand if there's enuff time 4 u 2 grow up left.
@oldhank2003 I'd love to get into a unproductive argument with you, but there are plenty on these pages. I'm just honestly curious as to what evidence you have to support your claim that "educational" (and I assume all science) books are brainwashing/sensationalised/otherwise incorrect. And by evidence I mean any reason or grounds for holding this belief.
Also curious as to how you divine truth. Do you believe, for instance, that revelation is an equally strong form of evidence to experimental?
@TheSilverDragon hey perhaps if u took into consideration the current state of da world and what it was like 100 yrs ago(or more i u want). was there less pollutants & carcinogens (or more). have u every witnessed a monkey changing into a homo sapien. the "evidence" brought forth by the "intellectuals" is based on fabricated concepts. and doesnt take in2 consideration factual physical evidence that contradicts their theory. all the worlds problems r because da "superiors" foolish pride.
@oldhank2003 Hey "father," pick a side. If you have scientific (or what you call "factual physical") evidence that evolutionary theory is wrong lets hear it. You may just win a huge prize. If you think science is "common sense made difficult to grasp" and think it is otherwise useless, then you've removed it as a tool for you to abuse. I won't be holding my breath for a coherent discussion.
@oldhank2003 no we have not seen a monkey turning into a human and if you had any understanding of how evolution works you would know why. but do you know what we have? evidence on the second chromosome of humans where they fused together, validating the hypothesis that at some point in human evolution we went from 24 pairs of chromosomes which chimps still have to 23
@AussiePolitics With all due respect ;) When chromosomes fuse 2gether; dont u think thats a bit odd? after all the pattern that has materialized dictates that the "development/ evolution" follows a different trend (before they fused together). the dna molucules have become mutated (degenerated) because of the man-made chemicals that have become more readily available for ALL to absorb. thus effecting your brain development. therefore that makes u beleive dat stupid crap (evolution).
@oldhank2003 you are talking about man-made artificial chemicals causing degeneration of the genome. that has nothing to do with what I stated.
what I said is you can still see where human chromosome 2 fused together at some point during human evolution. chromosomes have DNA markers on the ends called telomeres, which we find in the CENTRE of chromosome 2. they brought this up at the dover trial and the creations has NOTHING to respond to that with. it was irrefutable evidence.
@AussiePolitics How can you tell this happened as an act of nature? You cant. Its more then likely a man-made phenom. go have some dorito's and a coffee. you'll feel better ; )
@oldhank2003 "act of nature" EVOLUTION IS AN ACT OF NATURE.
the hypothesis was that if human evolution is true, then two chromosomes had to have fused together at some point. you cannot lose a pair of chromosomes, that would be fatal. we have sequenced the human and ape genome so we started looking in the chromosomes to find telomeres which ONLY occur on the ends of chromosomes. low and behold they are there in chromosome two. yet ANOTHER piece of irrefutable evidence confirming evolution.
@oldhank2003 so next time you make up something I NEVER SAID and go off talking utter bullshit then say that I believe stupid crap, read a bloody biology textbook because you obviously do not even have a basic understanding of this subject.
@oldhank2003 "proove" how about you learn basic spelling before you accuse someone of being degenerative. I gather from your response that you do not even have an even rudimentary understanding of basic biology so you just class anything you are too ignorant to comprehend as 'propaganda'.
you talk about DNA being degenerative yet you provide no evidence to how that relates do my point of how we have actual physical evidence that proves two chromosomes fused together during human evolution
@AussiePolitics If minor details upset your puny mind that much, u r definitely a disillusioned p-brain. (&prejudice) If u dont see systematic racism as the norm of whitey society, U r so blind that u cant see under your "superior complex" nose. Your limited outlook is a sickness. Seek help before its 2late. dude.
@oldhank2003 you are obviously either retarded or a troll. I never said anything to do with white people or racism, I stated one of the strongest pieces of evidence for human evolution. you responded with a comment that did not even have ANYTHING to do with what I had stated. again I say, learn what the fuck you are talking about before you go around acting like you know ANYTHING about basic biology. we can find two telomere's in the centre of chromosome 2. case closed.
@oldhank2003 the fact that you misspell very basic words and your ignorance of biological concepts tells me you're obviously just another brainwashed creationists talking crap on a topic you have no understanding of. you accuse me of being narrow "mined" by which I presume you mean minded, yet you have shown nothing but sheer ignorance of even the most basic concepts. do you even understand how science works? a hypothesis is tested and the evidence either confirms or denies its validity.
@AussiePolitics Look @ the world around you dumbass. The "genious" "scientists" can study that at oxford u for 80 years just to find out how fkt up its getting because of man-made decisions. Scientifically speakin; thats not very smart.
@oldhank2003 GENIUS. i find it amusing how someone who cannot even spell the word feels competent enough to insult some of the most brilliant people on the planet.
what an intellectually lazy argument you create as well, because humans have damaged our planet that somehow makes everything we discover wrong. science does not work like religion where someone makes a claim and people believe it forever regardless of the evidence, in science facts are based on EVIDENCE that can be disproven.
@oldhank2003 I have said no such thing. you stated that people can "lack certain genomes" not only do you fail to grasp one of the most basic terms of biology that any high school child understands, you are so arrogant as to presume you can comment on this issue of which you know NOTHING about. now you are obviously trolling and writing insulting comments because you are uncomfortable with me pointing out just how little you understand. you, are just a fool on the net writing BULLSHIT.
@oldhank2003 so were you referring to the fact that certain chemicals can break down our DNA and this means that 2 chromosomes could not have fused? as I said before, science works by testing an hypothesis which either confirms or denies it. in the case of human evolution the test was: we know at some point humans lost a pair of chromosomes if evolution is true. now they did not simply disappear, that is fatal, therefore is there evidence of two chromosomes fusing? and THERE IS.
@AussiePolitics It is they whitey that lack certain genomes. Thats why they cant except the world the way it is & live a peaceful existance on earth. Its beyond their comprehension.
@oldhank2003 the genome is ALL the hereditary information of an organism. the fact that you can make a claim that certain people can "lack certain genomes" displays your utter ignorance on this topic very clearly. tell me, why should I bother conversing with someone on the intricacies of evolution when you have failed to even understand one of the most basic terms - ie. what the genome is?
@AussiePolitics Yes its pretty obvious to me that you only have one brain cell left. You better go apply for a disability pension so you can legally park in the handicap area. Your mind is toast.
@oldhank2003 I do find it rather amusing to be told I am mentally handicapped by someone who does not even understand what the word genome is. to any objective observer the mentally retarded person would appear to be you, when you consider you inability to spell basic words, your insulting comments (yes I have become rather condescending but only AFTER you started with all the nastiness) oh and the fact you do not understand ANYTHING about genetics or evolution.
@oldhank2003 please do keep replying with insults, I actually rather enjoy it. Your comments are a nice reminder of how ignorant and nasty creationists are, and how little they know of the topics they claim to have this deep understanding of.
you know what? I think you're also missing "certain genomes" LOL
@oldhank2003 I find it amusing how you instantly label others more intelligent than yourself as geeks or dorks. you really do sound like an immature teenager who is secretly jealous of other students more knowledgeable then yourself. you know I dont hate ignorant people, but I do despise stupid people who pretend they know what they are talking about. you are one of those people.
@AussiePolitics You cant even proove that your "science" is true & relevant to the real world. So quite trying to be a "know it all" with me. You decision making is based on the lies of the establishment. Your pretty high on yourself. When you grow up, maybe you might understand what the meaning of life is.
@oldhank2003 i love it how you lecture me on being a know all yet you cannot even spell the word prove.
actually we can prove what i stated, as I said before, we know for a FACT that there are telomere's in the middle of chromosome 2. that is another piece of irrefutable evidence confirming evolution.
i find it rather amusing how a person who does not even understand what the word genome means feels able to tell me to grow up. how about you get a high school education before you lecture me.
@oldhank2003 your homework for today is to go home and look up the words genotype, phenotype and genome. maybe if you learn 3 basic words relating to genetics you may have improved your chances on being able to sound slightly intelligent.
i'm still chuckling to myself when I think of a fool like you acting as though you understand the meaning of life when you literally understand NOTHING of genetics.
When you tell me that you love how I "lecture" you, I get the indications that you had very little friends growing up and your childhood is pretty messed up. So, the only way that you could cope is to delve your narrow mind into fictitious science books of "knowledge". I feel sorry for you.
@oldhank2003 LOL and MORE insults! my my what an ignorant fellow you really are. think of how this discussion started, I stated evidence and then you just ended up ignoring it and launched personal attacks towards me which still continue. then you decided to talk about racism and the meaning of life, and then you said people were missing "genomes" and here we are again with you insulting me. you are obviously another brainwashed creationist with no scientific background talking rubbish.
@AussiePolitics It would seem logical to beleive your crud. If your science considered ALL environmental factors. NOT just the "results" found within a controlled environment (lab). In the real world there is a lot of this stuff known as pollution. By the time you "genius" scientists figure out whats they're causing, You'll hafta ask us uneducated people for advice
@oldhank2003 if you understood anything about science you would realise that the reason why most experimentation is done in a lab is because it is the only way to isolate variables and determine causality. I really cannot see ANY point in the future when scientists will ask uneducated people like yourself how genetics or evolution work when you do not even know what the word genome means. oh and the telomere's in chromosome 2 are not in a lab, they are in ALL OF US.
@oldhank2003 well I'm glad you've learned how to spell genius from our conversation. I myself have not really gotten anything out of it aside from an inflated sense of my own intelligence when compared to you. but then I guess its the same feeling a amoeba must get when it compares itself to a prokaryote. oh well, I really do tire of conversing with a rude ignorant fool. you write about how science is crap ironically on a computer that scientists INVENTED.
@oldhank2003 you really are a nasty piece of work who calls people names who actually understand what the fuck they are talking about. you appear to harbour a great deal of paranoia for actual scientists who understand these topics. I guess in your petty deluded mind if an expert disagrees with you then its all a big cover up, because no scientist could POSSIBLY know more than you, with your amazing understanding about the specific "genomes" people are missing LOL. that really is funny.
I guess that I'm the only person who'll converse with a nutbar like you. You're pathetic. ps a computer is artificial intellegence. just like your "superior intalect".
@oldhank2003 right, I'm pathetic, coming from the fellow who cannot spell or understand basic biological terms. Furthermore you were too stupid to understand my comment, scientists invented and built computers using physics concepts that the scientific method had discovered.
I do find it rather amusing to be called a nutbag by a person who claims to have an understanding of evolution yet presumes there are multiple "genomes" in people. what an ignorant fool you really are.
@oldhank2003 "you're pathetic" says the ignorant fool who instantly calls someone a geek when they are presented with basic genetic evidence. you obviously still have the mentality of a child if you are still using that term. I really wonder if you ever graduated from high school. I really do find it amusing how you are so arrogant to presume that trained scientists would EVER find anything an ignorant fuck like you claims of ANY interest or relevance to the scientific debate.
@TheSilverDragon And this is all for my benefit, I want to get to know how you reason and the way your beliefs have been formed. I honestly don't believe that anyone leaves youtube with their minds changed - so maybe its just best to gain an understanding of the other side.
I am afraid i do loose patience in these discussions sometimes, I hope I don't come across as condescending or insulting at any point.
@TheSilverDragon And another thing. you dont have "solid evidence" to support your claims. Your "evidence" is the same as some one tearing off the corner a piece of paper and coming to the conclusion that it came froma $1000.00 dollar bill. dont be a fool dude.
@oldhank2003 ficticious BS hmm so you believe in the outlandish stories in the bible or whatever holy book you subscribe to but you dont believe that evolution happened, even though there is overwhelming evidence? wow the power of religious indoctrination.
This proves nothing!, there have been a thousand skulls found like this! all over the world!, i went to school with a guy with a skull shaped like that, massive pronounced jaw line and brow, it means nothing!, its strictly racial!, most scientists agree with that!, infact there is a vid on you tube saying just that!, and it actually backs up creation and the long lives they lived as just like your ears and nose, skull keeps growing!.
Again!, this prooves nothing, there should be thousands, and yet they have found like 20??, well this prooves nothing again, what about racial differences??, most scientists agree that skull shapes are just racial!!.
@Aheadstix85 meaning what exactly? races occur through evolution aswell. but only evolution is small steps so white people can still reproduce with black people, even though we have different appearances.
why does being racial make a difference to the validity of evolution?
Just a friendly reminder, The second fossil is not Ardipithecus ramidus, but Sahelanthropus tchadensis. I don't know if any other youtubers noticed this. Just a thought :)
I can clearly see that the skulls that slant backwards at the forehead are ape-like. I can see that the homo-erectus still definitely had this quaity. The sapien (human) obviously has a non protruding brow, as well as no slant to his forehead.
"Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." Sherlock Holmes
Compare people with an Intelectual Quocient above 170 , they usually have the same look - a bit like the Boskop man - and people with low I.Q. You will see transitional forms are all around . Scott Pitnick's discovery - big testicles comes with small brains - gives a clue about how evolution works . Anything else is a misleading to make people rush on the wrong direction .
How do we lose two chromosomes and become 5 times weaker? Only thing we share is 98%DNA but we also share that with pigs. The only thing that is close to us is opposable thumbs but that's merely it. We simply arrived out of no where around 200,000 to 100,000 years ago. We are of seperate species my friend. This isn't no fucking family tree.. don't get me wrong. I don't believe in creationism either but come man this theory is fucking wacky. Monkeys don't eat meat or hunt either but we do??
I just hava coupleof questions. Why would hominids have a bigger brain capacity and 2 more chromosomes than modern humans if we are supposed to be "evolving" into something "superior"?
As for the chromosomes, you can actually search "Ken Miller Chromosomes" on youtube. He explains that the only way this can happen is if two chromosomes fuse during the transition to humans from apes. In fact this is what the genetic sequences show did happen.
@oldhank2003 - OctavioAlan is correct but to add to that; evolution doesn't evolve into something superior as it is completely unconscious. The environment simply selects the most well adapted genes which happens to make lifeforms so perfectly adapted. The human eye sees this perfection and, in the past has assumed that there was a "creator" or "designer" needed to constuct such perfection. This was understandable and forgivable but we now know different. It's time to move out of the dark ages.
@oldhank2003 Exactly!!!!, this is a load of shit!, scientists have just found out that neandertha, man was probably smarter than modern man, so that goes against evolutionary theory right there!
@Aheadstix85 Yes my homo-sapien bro. check (surch) lloyd pye's theories. hominids are bigger (muscular, bone density etc) and smarter (brainy) then modern dudes. The only advantage modern folks have is the ability to have exceedingly evil intent covered in an undetectable veil. Its called being a good (world class) deceiver. aka politician / salesman
@oldhank2003 Did you even look at the skulls? You can clearly see that the brain capacity of the oldest hominids is much smaller than modern day humans. Check out Ken Miller for the explanation on your chromosone question...
@eskimokid OK. @da end of ken millers presentation he sid dat he THINKS its beleivable. (sheer speculation) Homiids r big sasquatch-type creatures. camera trickery can create a good illusion.the dna splicing thing can only be done in a lab by blasting dna with radiation dude. checkout what loyd pye has 2 say. &radio carbon dating can be inaccurate by 1000,s of yrs. when fragments of a fossil r found, the rest is peiced together by speculation. end of story dude.
@oldhank2003 Thank you for providing further proof of the failures of the American Educational System. Do you really think that just disjoined commentary, bordering on illiteracy, will do more than make those with an education laugh? If you have something to say, please say it clearly and logically. Or don't. I'm laughing either way.
@NorthForkFisherman I hope dat u have many more laffs cuz when common sense kicks in (if ever), You'll discover that your "highly evolved" education (or religion) or any rules that govern your puny life r very fictitious lies. So go be happy in retardville dude.
@oldhank2003 And so speaks the illiterate over the devices and means provided by those with more than a kindergarten level of intelligence. The irony here is boundless. Please, go live your life according to "common sense". It'll be short and brutal, I assure you. If you have things to say, say them and back them up. And I'm still laughing at you. They really need intelligence tests before access to the internet is allowed.
@NorthForkFisherman If u think that is reasonable, It is of little wonder that you can look at a picture that isnt hominid. And, beleive that it is merely because some said "trust me" thats what it is. Dude you're being had by a bunch of snake oil salesmen. Y do u not listen 2 the voice of reason? Let me guess "the man" has programmed your p-brain since da sasme st.days.
@oldhank2003 And the illiterate speaks. All you've done thur far is provide evidence that you have no evidence. Or a clue for that matter. You opinion means shit. Back up what you say with data. What specific issues do you have with this video? Be specific, 'cause I just love exposing ignorance for what it is.
@oldhank2003 Spoken like a true parasite. I do find it interesting that you consider Pye an authority. An "ancient-astronauts" author with no professional qualifications in the biological sciences? MI agent? (snicker) But I suppose that when you find something that fits whatever preconcieved notions you might have, you'll cling to it to your dying day. I asked for evidence and you provide YT videos? Provide references to peer-reviewed publications or admit you have none.
@eskimokid OK. @da end of ken millers presentation he sid dat he THINKS its beleivable. (sheer speculation) Hominids r big sasquatch-type creatures. camera trickery can create a good illusion.the dna splicing thing can only be done in a lab by blasting dna with radiation dude. checkout what loyd pye has 2 say. &radio carbon dating can be inaccurate by 1000,s of yrs. when fragments of a fossil r found, the rest is peiced together by speculation. end of story dude.
evolution doesnt say anything about becomming bigger or stronger or faster. it just means the organisms that are more capable of reproducing are more likely to survive.
that could be intelligence, speed, camoflague.... or just a high sex drive. which humans certainly have
The author of this video put up ... ************ Pierolapithecus catalaunicus as his first. This is a completely fabricated idea that this crreature had anything to do with humans.
THUS if the first one is fabricated the rest can be ignored. See what a top evolutionists says:
++ "Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes," he told the BBC News website.
"I think it's unlikely that you would find relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in Europe."
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Those are only pieces of fossils. No way those are good evidence of evolution. Not one transition is truly shown. Those are still people that skeletons have been warped. Having a larger brow ridge doesn't really prove anything.
"Those are only pieces of fossils. No way those are good evidence of evolution. Not one transition is truly shown. Those are still people that skeletons have been warped. Having a larger brow ridge doesn't really prove anything." Yet another nutty creationist too lazy to try to understand anything about evolutionary biology
Clear anything, they even reconstructed the fossils. Another way to debunk this crap, Use dualism ( which is an idea of a conscience ). These aren't even full skeletons. Just more garbage meant to fill a theory.
What creationists dont realize is that the fossil record is among some of the weaker evidence that we have. The fossils are very aesthetically compelling but the real smoking gun for evolution is the genome. I mean beyond the shadow of a doubt we can literally read our evolutionary past, which is written into every cell of every human body! Fossils are awesome but you can shut down any creationist with a correct understanding of just a few genetic processes.
Only problem is, NO creationists have even a rudimentary understanding of chemistry or genetics. Thus, such evidence is NOT compelling to them. The only thing that convinces the ignorant is reassurance that they are good people and that they're not really ignorant.
++ "Only problem is, NO creationists have even a rudimentary understanding of chemistry or genetics. Thus, such evidence is NOT compelling to them." **
WAKE UP. It is not compelling to anyone with an ounce of commonsense.
Top evolutionist says: "I think it's unlikely that you would find relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in Europe."
"But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from branches].
"It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged) behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained.
Furthermore,that statement was made because of the geographical divide between Africa and Europe. However, you might consider the fact that Spain is the country physically closest to Africa. If that extinct ape IS a direct relative of the great apes, and is a transition between lesser and great apes, it is difficult to imagine just how that species managed to cross the Strait of Gibraltar.
To have a valid opinion on this matter, my friend, you need more than common sense--you need knowledge.
I haven't met one. And I assure you that I know more scientists than you do. But even if there are SOME, they are statistically irrelevant. There might be a geneticist who's a Nazi, but you would never argue if I said no American scientists are Nazis. Rational, well-educated scientists so overwhelmingly dominate the fields of physics and biology that for all intents and purposes, we say that creationists are not chemists. It would be more than just a generality...
@supowit When a creationist's main argument is that "We have cats and dogs but there are no dats or cogs so evolution is wrong" you have to simply realise that logical thought and clear evidence will never be compelling evidence for them. I have resigned myself to accepting that idiocy will continue to reside within a certain percentage of the population and all I can do is sit back and laugh at their ignorace...
anyhow you guys can't even prove they are non-human apes. Let me ask you this, if our species were facing extinction and went to live on Mars. Then their children came back 5 millon years later. They find fossils of present day chickens and fossils of dodos that existed 2 millon years ago. Then did some carbon dating and then decided, hey they look similar, so they must be transitional fossils!!
don't you guys see how ridiculous this arguement is for evolution?
"They find fossils of present day chickens and fossils of dodos that existed 2 millon years ago. Then did some carbon dating and then decided, hey they look similar, so they must be transitional fossils!!" Carbon dating is never used on fossils , moron. If you spent just 5 minutes researching this topic you would not say something that stupid
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these collection does not prove evolution. As we can see from the fossils that their fundamental characteristics of the human being is distinctly displayed across the collection with small degrees of variation. This is not suprising if the dating of the fossils are correct. However this is no way comprehensive proof that evolution is correct.
Let me ask you this, how did the first protein came about from amino acids without the coding of DNA/RNA and ATP to tell it how to structure it self??
"Let me ask you this, how did the first protein came about from amino acids without the coding of DNA/RNA and ATP to tell it how to structure it self??"
ok, heres the thing, if a life form (like you) isn't a cat it will never, ever be a cat or anything else. genetics is the nail in the coffin of the dead horse that is evolution but you atheists just keep beating it expecting it get up and run for you... the atheist creation myth is even harder to believe than the christain one. how many happy accidents of this or that natural process did it take before people had eyes that werked? with light? allowing you to see, in in depth? oh forget it
cwross1976 4 months ago
@cwross1976 "how many happy accidents of this or that natural process did it take before people had eyes that werked?" May I suggest that you research how natural selection works? The reason we have eyes is not by some chance, but because they were specifically selected for. Genetics is the very foundation of evolution, we can see exactly where deletions and duplications have occurred and continue to occur, and we can see where two human chromosomes have fused during evolution.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@cwross1976
You look at is as an accident, we look at it as life. Evolution is 100 percent proven buddy, and you can straight up deny the facts all you want. Christianity has been circling the drain since Darwin came in and you guys started to take the bible as a metaphor instead of literal. Get over it.
TheKenTerry 1 month ago
Yesterday I had a discussion with the brilliant orthopedic surgeon where I work. A man of great scientific education. He was testifying about his incredible "faith" and how he came to be deeply religious. He went on about how there were absolutely "no transitional forms" for any species, especially humans, and that evolution is wrong. The vast chasm of his knowledge and his faith just astounded me. I don't know how he rectifies the two in his own mind. I was stunned & at a loss for words.
rmcdaniel423 6 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 That's exactly like my dad. He's an extremely intelligent guy when it comes to engineering, management and pretty much every field of business, but he's been brainwashed by religion. He refuses to believe in human evolution, no matter how many times me and my sister have tried explaining it to him. It's really frustrating.
Linkage1992 3 months ago
If these fossils were actually real, that would mean that Adam and Eve were not real.
If this were true it would totally disprove the Book of Genesis.
These fossils must have been put there by Satan, to take our eyes off of the Lord.
Fossils from 13 million years ago must be impossible!
Everyone knows the Earth is only 6,000 years old, that snakes can talk, and man was created by God in his present form in only one day
Nice try Satan!
legion1a 8 months ago 2
the music is somewhat hard core in my world
carbonfconfusion 9 months ago
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"Random mutations consistently destroy information." P. 15; "Selection cannot rescue the genome." P. 69; "Mutation / selection cannot even create a single gene." P. 123; "All evidence points to human genetic degradation." P.143 - Genetic Entropy & The Mystery of the Genome by Cornell U. Genetics Professor John Sanford. He holds 25 genetic patents and is the inventor of the gene gun. He is truly an expert on the subject of mutations and natural selection. Evolution is a fairy tale for adults.
achilles197474 10 months ago
Think whatever you want. A brainwashed humanoid like you is the reason why the world has become such a troubling place for people to have a peacful existance. You are extremely selfish.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 wow! thats incredible! so its because of people like me who are interested in facts and evidence and actually understand how genetics and evolution work that the planet is doing poorly? I am selfish apparently because I am educated. all of your bile is just pathetic. you're another ignorant fool talking bullshit about genetics - a matter you CLEARLY known nothing of. i just love how this topic has gone from me stating simple facts to you insulting and accusing me of selfishness.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics See last comment. dude
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 yep, its you calling me selfish because unlike you I actually understand genetics. apparently people who understand how cells work are the great monsters of the universe destroying entire planets.
well, thanks for the chuckle, its always nice seeing fools like you slip up and betray your ignorance. ill let you get back to enjoying all those "genomes" inside you LOL. you really do speak like a child and use childish terms like "dork". what a brainwashed fool.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 still finding it an endless source of amusement how you accuse me of being selfish when YOU are the one who started off insulting me and demonstrated your clear ignorance on this topic. what a brainwashed fool you really are. you are completely ignorant of science or basic genetic concepts yet you take it out on me when I state basic evidence. brainwashed fool is all I can say about you.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics See last comment. dude
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 lol you really are a childish brainwashed fool arent you? does it hurt to know that your very own chromosomes betray your ignorance and are just another fact demolishing the argument put forth by creationists? I provided evidence and all you did was respond with childish insults and demonstrate your profound ignorance on this topic. that says it all really.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics well i don't know about the other guy but my chromosomes indicate to me that data, you know like your thoughts as you read this, must come from somewhere... so far we are not aware of everywhere (i love the english language... so stilted and dense...) so maybe we just don't know yet where God is. you don't bvelieve that though... you have faith that God does not exist, it must be faith because you sure as hell (pun intended) don't have proof.
cwross1976 4 months ago
@cwross1976 I would not bring chromosomes into this because they provide a living record of the mutations and fusions which led to the human species, in fact we can still see the exact location where two fused together throughout history because the telomeres are still there.
"you have faith that God does not exist". wow, so by your logic you have faith that zeus, baal and the thousands of other gods humanity has invented does not exist. or do you dismiss them because there is no evidence?
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics thats not evidence.you crazy nut. thats a fabricated story. Its similar to the "scientific/ medical genius' " who tried to devise a polio vaccine. But instead started a cancer epidemic. Get your nerdy eyes out of the micro scope lense & check da real world. and consider all true environmental factors. You narrow minded p brain.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 "similar to the "scientific/ medical genius' " who tried to devise a polio vaccine. But instead started a cancer epidemic" got any proof for that claim or did you just make this bullshit up like your 'genomes'?
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics proove that it IS bs and i'll fax u a beer, mate.
oldhank2003 3 months ago
@oldhank2003 mmmmmm, fax-beer...
SaudiPseudonym 1 week ago
this slide show is inno way comprehensive; nor is it meant to give an in depth description of each ...SPAGHETTI... shown and the differences between them.
carbonfconfusion 11 months ago
transitional dragon
carbonfconfusion 11 months ago
how can they tell the difference between these fossils and ancient ape to chimpanzee or gorilla or orangutan fossils?????????????
SHIBBYiPANDA 11 months ago
song name is far beyond the shit from unknown artist
esraretin 1 year ago
If this vid, (or any "history" the "distinguished" learning ministries teach) is what you call solid evidence, its of little wonder your science and your religion are in a constant cycle of living in a lie. Thers lots you have to learn. my son
oldhank2003 1 year ago
By the: when the voids of a theory are filled with unproven (but pure) speculation, da "educated" folks accept it as being factual (if it repeated enough). science is common sense made difficult to grasp& purposely keep people under da man's thumb. my son.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
Referring to the Lander/Patterson theory of May '06,
Time (Oct 09, '06) says:
"That could explain why some of the most ancient fossils now considered human ancestors have such striking mixtures of chimp and human traits - some could actually have been hybrids."
Recent Neanderthal evidence points to it being the last in a series of hybrids.
Mdebacle 1 year ago
extinct ape, and human...proof of sasquatch...no
h2omanz 1 year ago
SADLY this fossil chart is INCOMPLETE and in fact there are MANY fossils that have NOT been found with regards to the Human evolution chain.
Darkraz 1 year ago
@Darkraz Yes but its very hard for fossils to be formed
LauraKathleen05 1 year ago
nice one
Arjun007ize 1 year ago
Did any1 else notice that the archeologists find fragments of bones? And fill in the remaining blanks with speculation? As more evidence comes to surface they adjust their story (even though it prooves beyond a reasonable doubt that r wasting their time & money on fictitious BS.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Fictious BS. In case you seem to have missed it, the foresic sciences greatly depend of the skills of anthroplogists. Not a year goes by, sadly, that their skills are not called upon to take the fragmentary remains of a person, create a skull (by mirror imaging missing segments) and produce a face that leads to one: identifying an missing person, and two: leading to a conviction of their murderer. Once a basic ID is made, DNA can be used to confirm a match. (Continued)
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 The science is clearly defined and borne up by study after study. When you can say the same, and start getting some convictions out of it, you might be taken more seriously. Now, other than making a further fool of yourself, do you have anything else to say? Maybe something backed up by peer-review for once. And BTW, those forensic skills? You can start learning those thru any book on anthroplogy and biology.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Making silly faces doesnt proove dat humans evolved from apes. you dum ass. and repitition is a basic form of brain-washing. by not beleiving in fictitious theories makes me "look stupid'. Thats ok by me. Artistry and imagining images is not factual science. But, if u think that its fool-proof and validated science, you're obviously pretty stupid.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Almost had me there for a minute. Considering that the science behind forensic identification and paleoanthropology is virtually the same, there really is nothing to debate here. So, this indicates you are not more than a waste of skin troll. As such, until you can bring forth an argument worthy of my time, I'll ignore you. Bring your "A" game or bugger off.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Ditto.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
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@NorthForkFisherman Ditto. you've got Nothing.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Creationists... What form of evidence do you guys even have for your claims? It all basically boils down to false claims, ad hominems and shouting. It is not up to YT commenters to educate you about evolution (or even basic science); go read a book. Either that or admit that you have no desire to seek the truth - only to promote your dogmas.
TheSilverDragon 1 year ago
@TheSilverDragon Ditto. But, read the world around you,son. Those "educational" books are brainwashing material. Maybe you'll understand if there's enuff time 4 u 2 grow up left.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 I'd love to get into a unproductive argument with you, but there are plenty on these pages. I'm just honestly curious as to what evidence you have to support your claim that "educational" (and I assume all science) books are brainwashing/sensationalised/otherwise incorrect. And by evidence I mean any reason or grounds for holding this belief.
Also curious as to how you divine truth. Do you believe, for instance, that revelation is an equally strong form of evidence to experimental?
TheSilverDragon 1 year ago
@TheSilverDragon If u wanna kno the answer, jus look in da mirror.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@TheSilverDragon hey perhaps if u took into consideration the current state of da world and what it was like 100 yrs ago(or more i u want). was there less pollutants & carcinogens (or more). have u every witnessed a monkey changing into a homo sapien. the "evidence" brought forth by the "intellectuals" is based on fabricated concepts. and doesnt take in2 consideration factual physical evidence that contradicts their theory. all the worlds problems r because da "superiors" foolish pride.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Hey "father," pick a side. If you have scientific (or what you call "factual physical") evidence that evolutionary theory is wrong lets hear it. You may just win a huge prize. If you think science is "common sense made difficult to grasp" and think it is otherwise useless, then you've removed it as a tool for you to abuse. I won't be holding my breath for a coherent discussion.
TheSilverDragon 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 no we have not seen a monkey turning into a human and if you had any understanding of how evolution works you would know why. but do you know what we have? evidence on the second chromosome of humans where they fused together, validating the hypothesis that at some point in human evolution we went from 24 pairs of chromosomes which chimps still have to 23
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics With all due respect ;) When chromosomes fuse 2gether; dont u think thats a bit odd? after all the pattern that has materialized dictates that the "development/ evolution" follows a different trend (before they fused together). the dna molucules have become mutated (degenerated) because of the man-made chemicals that have become more readily available for ALL to absorb. thus effecting your brain development. therefore that makes u beleive dat stupid crap (evolution).
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 you are talking about man-made artificial chemicals causing degeneration of the genome. that has nothing to do with what I stated.
what I said is you can still see where human chromosome 2 fused together at some point during human evolution. chromosomes have DNA markers on the ends called telomeres, which we find in the CENTRE of chromosome 2. they brought this up at the dover trial and the creations has NOTHING to respond to that with. it was irrefutable evidence.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics How can you tell this happened as an act of nature? You cant. Its more then likely a man-made phenom. go have some dorito's and a coffee. you'll feel better ; )
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 "act of nature" EVOLUTION IS AN ACT OF NATURE.
the hypothesis was that if human evolution is true, then two chromosomes had to have fused together at some point. you cannot lose a pair of chromosomes, that would be fatal. we have sequenced the human and ape genome so we started looking in the chromosomes to find telomeres which ONLY occur on the ends of chromosomes. low and behold they are there in chromosome two. yet ANOTHER piece of irrefutable evidence confirming evolution.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics OOps. you need to add up ALL factors that can effect the final outcome. Including environmental. You narrow minded nerd.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 so next time you make up something I NEVER SAID and go off talking utter bullshit then say that I believe stupid crap, read a bloody biology textbook because you obviously do not even have a basic understanding of this subject.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics Biology text book, crap, propoganda its all the same. U r proove that human beings are becoming a degenerative species.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 "proove" how about you learn basic spelling before you accuse someone of being degenerative. I gather from your response that you do not even have an even rudimentary understanding of basic biology so you just class anything you are too ignorant to comprehend as 'propaganda'.
you talk about DNA being degenerative yet you provide no evidence to how that relates do my point of how we have actual physical evidence that proves two chromosomes fused together during human evolution
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics If minor details upset your puny mind that much, u r definitely a disillusioned p-brain. (&prejudice) If u dont see systematic racism as the norm of whitey society, U r so blind that u cant see under your "superior complex" nose. Your limited outlook is a sickness. Seek help before its 2late. dude.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 you are obviously either retarded or a troll. I never said anything to do with white people or racism, I stated one of the strongest pieces of evidence for human evolution. you responded with a comment that did not even have ANYTHING to do with what I had stated. again I say, learn what the fuck you are talking about before you go around acting like you know ANYTHING about basic biology. we can find two telomere's in the centre of chromosome 2. case closed.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
You need to add up ALL factors that will effect the final results. You narrow mined nerd.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 the fact that you misspell very basic words and your ignorance of biological concepts tells me you're obviously just another brainwashed creationists talking crap on a topic you have no understanding of. you accuse me of being narrow "mined" by which I presume you mean minded, yet you have shown nothing but sheer ignorance of even the most basic concepts. do you even understand how science works? a hypothesis is tested and the evidence either confirms or denies its validity.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics Look @ the world around you dumbass. The "genious" "scientists" can study that at oxford u for 80 years just to find out how fkt up its getting because of man-made decisions. Scientifically speakin; thats not very smart.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 GENIUS. i find it amusing how someone who cannot even spell the word feels competent enough to insult some of the most brilliant people on the planet.
what an intellectually lazy argument you create as well, because humans have damaged our planet that somehow makes everything we discover wrong. science does not work like religion where someone makes a claim and people believe it forever regardless of the evidence, in science facts are based on EVIDENCE that can be disproven.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics You mean "the most prejudice people on earth". dork
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 I have said no such thing. you stated that people can "lack certain genomes" not only do you fail to grasp one of the most basic terms of biology that any high school child understands, you are so arrogant as to presume you can comment on this issue of which you know NOTHING about. now you are obviously trolling and writing insulting comments because you are uncomfortable with me pointing out just how little you understand. you, are just a fool on the net writing BULLSHIT.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 so were you referring to the fact that certain chemicals can break down our DNA and this means that 2 chromosomes could not have fused? as I said before, science works by testing an hypothesis which either confirms or denies it. in the case of human evolution the test was: we know at some point humans lost a pair of chromosomes if evolution is true. now they did not simply disappear, that is fatal, therefore is there evidence of two chromosomes fusing? and THERE IS.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics It is they whitey that lack certain genomes. Thats why they cant except the world the way it is & live a peaceful existance on earth. Its beyond their comprehension.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 the genome is ALL the hereditary information of an organism. the fact that you can make a claim that certain people can "lack certain genomes" displays your utter ignorance on this topic very clearly. tell me, why should I bother conversing with someone on the intricacies of evolution when you have failed to even understand one of the most basic terms - ie. what the genome is?
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics Yes its pretty obvious to me that you only have one brain cell left. You better go apply for a disability pension so you can legally park in the handicap area. Your mind is toast.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 I do find it rather amusing to be told I am mentally handicapped by someone who does not even understand what the word genome is. to any objective observer the mentally retarded person would appear to be you, when you consider you inability to spell basic words, your insulting comments (yes I have become rather condescending but only AFTER you started with all the nastiness) oh and the fact you do not understand ANYTHING about genetics or evolution.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 please do keep replying with insults, I actually rather enjoy it. Your comments are a nice reminder of how ignorant and nasty creationists are, and how little they know of the topics they claim to have this deep understanding of.
you know what? I think you're also missing "certain genomes" LOL
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics My pleasure, geek.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 I find it amusing how you instantly label others more intelligent than yourself as geeks or dorks. you really do sound like an immature teenager who is secretly jealous of other students more knowledgeable then yourself. you know I dont hate ignorant people, but I do despise stupid people who pretend they know what they are talking about. you are one of those people.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics You cant even proove that your "science" is true & relevant to the real world. So quite trying to be a "know it all" with me. You decision making is based on the lies of the establishment. Your pretty high on yourself. When you grow up, maybe you might understand what the meaning of life is.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 i love it how you lecture me on being a know all yet you cannot even spell the word prove.
actually we can prove what i stated, as I said before, we know for a FACT that there are telomere's in the middle of chromosome 2. that is another piece of irrefutable evidence confirming evolution.
i find it rather amusing how a person who does not even understand what the word genome means feels able to tell me to grow up. how about you get a high school education before you lecture me.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 your homework for today is to go home and look up the words genotype, phenotype and genome. maybe if you learn 3 basic words relating to genetics you may have improved your chances on being able to sound slightly intelligent.
i'm still chuckling to myself when I think of a fool like you acting as though you understand the meaning of life when you literally understand NOTHING of genetics.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
When you tell me that you love how I "lecture" you, I get the indications that you had very little friends growing up and your childhood is pretty messed up. So, the only way that you could cope is to delve your narrow mind into fictitious science books of "knowledge". I feel sorry for you.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 LOL and MORE insults! my my what an ignorant fellow you really are. think of how this discussion started, I stated evidence and then you just ended up ignoring it and launched personal attacks towards me which still continue. then you decided to talk about racism and the meaning of life, and then you said people were missing "genomes" and here we are again with you insulting me. you are obviously another brainwashed creationist with no scientific background talking rubbish.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@AussiePolitics It would seem logical to beleive your crud. If your science considered ALL environmental factors. NOT just the "results" found within a controlled environment (lab). In the real world there is a lot of this stuff known as pollution. By the time you "genius" scientists figure out whats they're causing, You'll hafta ask us uneducated people for advice
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 if you understood anything about science you would realise that the reason why most experimentation is done in a lab is because it is the only way to isolate variables and determine causality. I really cannot see ANY point in the future when scientists will ask uneducated people like yourself how genetics or evolution work when you do not even know what the word genome means. oh and the telomere's in chromosome 2 are not in a lab, they are in ALL OF US.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 well I'm glad you've learned how to spell genius from our conversation. I myself have not really gotten anything out of it aside from an inflated sense of my own intelligence when compared to you. but then I guess its the same feeling a amoeba must get when it compares itself to a prokaryote. oh well, I really do tire of conversing with a rude ignorant fool. you write about how science is crap ironically on a computer that scientists INVENTED.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 you really are a nasty piece of work who calls people names who actually understand what the fuck they are talking about. you appear to harbour a great deal of paranoia for actual scientists who understand these topics. I guess in your petty deluded mind if an expert disagrees with you then its all a big cover up, because no scientist could POSSIBLY know more than you, with your amazing understanding about the specific "genomes" people are missing LOL. that really is funny.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
I guess that I'm the only person who'll converse with a nutbar like you. You're pathetic. ps a computer is artificial intellegence. just like your "superior intalect".
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 right, I'm pathetic, coming from the fellow who cannot spell or understand basic biological terms. Furthermore you were too stupid to understand my comment, scientists invented and built computers using physics concepts that the scientific method had discovered.
I do find it rather amusing to be called a nutbag by a person who claims to have an understanding of evolution yet presumes there are multiple "genomes" in people. what an ignorant fool you really are.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
@oldhank2003 "you're pathetic" says the ignorant fool who instantly calls someone a geek when they are presented with basic genetic evidence. you obviously still have the mentality of a child if you are still using that term. I really wonder if you ever graduated from high school. I really do find it amusing how you are so arrogant to presume that trained scientists would EVER find anything an ignorant fuck like you claims of ANY interest or relevance to the scientific debate.
AussiePolitics 11 months ago
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@AussiePolitics Biology text book, crap, propoganda its all the same. U r proof that human beings are becoming a degenerative species.
oldhank2003 11 months ago
@TheSilverDragon And this is all for my benefit, I want to get to know how you reason and the way your beliefs have been formed. I honestly don't believe that anyone leaves youtube with their minds changed - so maybe its just best to gain an understanding of the other side.
I am afraid i do loose patience in these discussions sometimes, I hope I don't come across as condescending or insulting at any point.
TheSilverDragon 1 year ago
@TheSilverDragon And another thing. you dont have "solid evidence" to support your claims. Your "evidence" is the same as some one tearing off the corner a piece of paper and coming to the conclusion that it came froma $1000.00 dollar bill. dont be a fool dude.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 ficticious BS hmm so you believe in the outlandish stories in the bible or whatever holy book you subscribe to but you dont believe that evolution happened, even though there is overwhelming evidence? wow the power of religious indoctrination.
LauraKathleen05 1 year ago
@LauraKathleen05 How do u know its truthful evidence? Modern scientific are edited & sensationalized cyanide pills. so..dont drink the cool aid.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
This proves nothing!, there have been a thousand skulls found like this! all over the world!, i went to school with a guy with a skull shaped like that, massive pronounced jaw line and brow, it means nothing!, its strictly racial!, most scientists agree with that!, infact there is a vid on you tube saying just that!, and it actually backs up creation and the long lives they lived as just like your ears and nose, skull keeps growing!.
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
Colin paterson, etc.
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
Wow. Its like he made up "sales pitch" science & historical facts". Then released it on u tube, hoping 2 get some bites. EAT UP KID.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
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rosepetalaysha 1 year ago
you obviously haven't evolved enough! You couldn't pick a better background music!?
enemay 1 year ago
thank you for including the the music title in your description.
xander55577 1 year ago
It should be >>> non human apes to human apes.
gregrutz 1 year ago
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahaahhahah
MrBillH60 1 year ago
evolution is a lie from satan!
THE ANSWER IS JEEZASS!
AAAW PRAYZE DA LAWD!
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@Ilikenuman
HAHAHA!
Just imagining the stereotype makes me laugh :D
DavySigfusson 1 year ago
Again!, this prooves nothing, there should be thousands, and yet they have found like 20??, well this prooves nothing again, what about racial differences??, most scientists agree that skull shapes are just racial!!.
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
@Aheadstix85 meaning what exactly? races occur through evolution aswell. but only evolution is small steps so white people can still reproduce with black people, even though we have different appearances.
why does being racial make a difference to the validity of evolution?
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@Aheadstix85 Which scientists?
eskimokid 1 year ago
Just a friendly reminder, The second fossil is not Ardipithecus ramidus, but Sahelanthropus tchadensis. I don't know if any other youtubers noticed this. Just a thought :)
Archaeologistc2007 1 year ago
I can clearly see that the skulls that slant backwards at the forehead are ape-like. I can see that the homo-erectus still definitely had this quaity. The sapien (human) obviously has a non protruding brow, as well as no slant to his forehead.
"Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts." Sherlock Holmes
shrike66 2 years ago
And yet the knees and hands say otherwise.
Phyerbyrd 1 year ago
Compare people with an Intelectual Quocient above 170 , they usually have the same look - a bit like the Boskop man - and people with low I.Q. You will see transitional forms are all around . Scott Pitnick's discovery - big testicles comes with small brains - gives a clue about how evolution works . Anything else is a misleading to make people rush on the wrong direction .
EdXXI 2 years ago
crap music!
Pitaboel 2 years ago 2
How do we lose two chromosomes and become 5 times weaker? Only thing we share is 98%DNA but we also share that with pigs. The only thing that is close to us is opposable thumbs but that's merely it. We simply arrived out of no where around 200,000 to 100,000 years ago. We are of seperate species my friend. This isn't no fucking family tree.. don't get me wrong. I don't believe in creationism either but come man this theory is fucking wacky. Monkeys don't eat meat or hunt either but we do??
beyondstitches 2 years ago
Chimpanzee hunts and eat meat. Do not simply imply. Vids are abundant on Youtube.
mykegoh 2 years ago
it is a family tree. the fossil record demonstrates it.
and remember, being weaker is okay as long as you are capable of living to breeding age.
and yes, we ARE a different species. but we are still apes.
humans have been classified as primates for roughly 2 centuries. before darwins theory came along too.
and some monkeys do eat meat, and we eat vegetation aswell.
stomachs with different capabilities are more suited to different area. different species can evolve different stomachs
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
Does this occur in nature? Or does it occur in a lab at the university of madagascar?
oldhank2003 2 years ago
I just hava coupleof questions. Why would hominids have a bigger brain capacity and 2 more chromosomes than modern humans if we are supposed to be "evolving" into something "superior"?
oldhank2003 2 years ago
As for the chromosomes, you can actually search "Ken Miller Chromosomes" on youtube. He explains that the only way this can happen is if two chromosomes fuse during the transition to humans from apes. In fact this is what the genetic sequences show did happen.
OctavioAlan 2 years ago
@oldhank2003 - OctavioAlan is correct but to add to that; evolution doesn't evolve into something superior as it is completely unconscious. The environment simply selects the most well adapted genes which happens to make lifeforms so perfectly adapted. The human eye sees this perfection and, in the past has assumed that there was a "creator" or "designer" needed to constuct such perfection. This was understandable and forgivable but we now know different. It's time to move out of the dark ages.
petestrat07 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Exactly!!!!, this is a load of shit!, scientists have just found out that neandertha, man was probably smarter than modern man, so that goes against evolutionary theory right there!
Aheadstix85 1 year ago
@Aheadstix85 it doesnt go against evolutionary theory ATALL.
all it takes is for a species to be able to reproduce more and it can outbreed another.
so you dont need intelligence or speed or strength. you can just have a higher sex drive and your species can outbreed any other.
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@Aheadstix85 Evolution does not say the smartest servive. Chimps have evolved as long as we have, till today.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@Aheadstix85 Yes my homo-sapien bro. check (surch) lloyd pye's theories. hominids are bigger (muscular, bone density etc) and smarter (brainy) then modern dudes. The only advantage modern folks have is the ability to have exceedingly evil intent covered in an undetectable veil. Its called being a good (world class) deceiver. aka politician / salesman
oldhank2003 1 year ago
superior doesnt mean smarter. evolution gives rise to organisms that reproduce more.
humans were capable of reproducing more than neanderthals. being smart doesnt matter
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Did you even look at the skulls? You can clearly see that the brain capacity of the oldest hominids is much smaller than modern day humans. Check out Ken Miller for the explanation on your chromosone question...
eskimokid 1 year ago
@eskimokid OK. @da end of ken millers presentation he sid dat he THINKS its beleivable. (sheer speculation) Homiids r big sasquatch-type creatures. camera trickery can create a good illusion.the dna splicing thing can only be done in a lab by blasting dna with radiation dude. checkout what loyd pye has 2 say. &radio carbon dating can be inaccurate by 1000,s of yrs. when fragments of a fossil r found, the rest is peiced together by speculation. end of story dude.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Wow. It is almost as if you didn't listen to anything he had to say and quote mined to make your point. Well done dude.
eskimokid 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Thank you for providing further proof of the failures of the American Educational System. Do you really think that just disjoined commentary, bordering on illiteracy, will do more than make those with an education laugh? If you have something to say, please say it clearly and logically. Or don't. I'm laughing either way.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman I hope dat u have many more laffs cuz when common sense kicks in (if ever), You'll discover that your "highly evolved" education (or religion) or any rules that govern your puny life r very fictitious lies. So go be happy in retardville dude.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 And so speaks the illiterate over the devices and means provided by those with more than a kindergarten level of intelligence. The irony here is boundless. Please, go live your life according to "common sense". It'll be short and brutal, I assure you. If you have things to say, say them and back them up. And I'm still laughing at you. They really need intelligence tests before access to the internet is allowed.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Whatever.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 And that is the most reasoned thing you've said since entering this forum.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman If u think that is reasonable, It is of little wonder that you can look at a picture that isnt hominid. And, beleive that it is merely because some said "trust me" thats what it is. Dude you're being had by a bunch of snake oil salesmen. Y do u not listen 2 the voice of reason? Let me guess "the man" has programmed your p-brain since da sasme st.days.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 And the illiterate speaks. All you've done thur far is provide evidence that you have no evidence. Or a clue for that matter. You opinion means shit. Back up what you say with data. What specific issues do you have with this video? Be specific, 'cause I just love exposing ignorance for what it is.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman Ditto. illiteracy rules.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@oldhank2003 Spoken like a true parasite. I do find it interesting that you consider Pye an authority. An "ancient-astronauts" author with no professional qualifications in the biological sciences? MI agent? (snicker) But I suppose that when you find something that fits whatever preconcieved notions you might have, you'll cling to it to your dying day. I asked for evidence and you provide YT videos? Provide references to peer-reviewed publications or admit you have none.
NorthForkFisherman 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman You did not prove me false. Nor did u proove yoyeself correct, Right back @ u genius.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@NorthForkFisherman You did not prove me false. Nor did u proove yourself correct, Right back @ u genius.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
@eskimokid OK. @da end of ken millers presentation he sid dat he THINKS its beleivable. (sheer speculation) Hominids r big sasquatch-type creatures. camera trickery can create a good illusion.the dna splicing thing can only be done in a lab by blasting dna with radiation dude. checkout what loyd pye has 2 say. &radio carbon dating can be inaccurate by 1000,s of yrs. when fragments of a fossil r found, the rest is peiced together by speculation. end of story dude.
oldhank2003 1 year ago
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NephilimFree 2 years ago
I hope evolution is true because one day I will be an X-Man.......
darkfur35 2 years ago
evolution doesnt say anything about becomming bigger or stronger or faster. it just means the organisms that are more capable of reproducing are more likely to survive.
that could be intelligence, speed, camoflague.... or just a high sex drive. which humans certainly have
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
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shithook81 2 years ago
hmm. WHY this kind of shitty music???
Heikki1 2 years ago 4
@Heikki1 I think this id the music from the flash game "Thing thing"
GohanLSSJ2 1 year ago
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The author of this video put up ... ************ Pierolapithecus catalaunicus as his first. This is a completely fabricated idea that this crreature had anything to do with humans.
THUS if the first one is fabricated the rest can be ignored. See what a top evolutionists says:
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hume1947 2 years ago
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++ "Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes," he told the BBC News website.
"I think it's unlikely that you would find relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in Europe."
Google:
'Original' great ape discovered, bbc
hume1947 2 years ago
1:03 I'm pretty sure that's Sahelanthropus tchadensis.
XXL2oo 2 years ago
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All a lie of SA-TAN.
What's funny is they all died of rampant immorality as they had no god nor bible to teach them how to behave. Heh...
rationalmuscle 2 years ago
@rationalmuscle so god created them with no chance? thats nice
heh...
Ilikenuman 1 year ago
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Those are only pieces of fossils. No way those are good evidence of evolution. Not one transition is truly shown. Those are still people that skeletons have been warped. Having a larger brow ridge doesn't really prove anything.
iceman70028 2 years ago
"Those are only pieces of fossils. No way those are good evidence of evolution. Not one transition is truly shown. Those are still people that skeletons have been warped. Having a larger brow ridge doesn't really prove anything." Yet another nutty creationist too lazy to try to understand anything about evolutionary biology
brospec 2 years ago
the odds of having these many deformed fossils showing such a clear evolutionary transition are in calculable.
garrywarney 2 years ago
Clear anything, they even reconstructed the fossils. Another way to debunk this crap, Use dualism ( which is an idea of a conscience ). These aren't even full skeletons. Just more garbage meant to fill a theory.
iceman70028 2 years ago
What creationists dont realize is that the fossil record is among some of the weaker evidence that we have. The fossils are very aesthetically compelling but the real smoking gun for evolution is the genome. I mean beyond the shadow of a doubt we can literally read our evolutionary past, which is written into every cell of every human body! Fossils are awesome but you can shut down any creationist with a correct understanding of just a few genetic processes.
robbypyn 2 years ago
Only problem is, NO creationists have even a rudimentary understanding of chemistry or genetics. Thus, such evidence is NOT compelling to them. The only thing that convinces the ignorant is reassurance that they are good people and that they're not really ignorant.
And that would be productive, wouldn't it?
supowit 2 years ago 2
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++ "Only problem is, NO creationists have even a rudimentary understanding of chemistry or genetics. Thus, such evidence is NOT compelling to them." **
WAKE UP. It is not compelling to anyone with an ounce of commonsense.
Top evolutionist says: "I think it's unlikely that you would find relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in Europe."
Google:
'Original' great ape discovered, bbc
hume1947 2 years ago
Classic quote mining, hume.
Shall I complete the quote for you?
"But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from branches].
"It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged) behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained.
supowit 2 years ago 2
Furthermore,that statement was made because of the geographical divide between Africa and Europe. However, you might consider the fact that Spain is the country physically closest to Africa. If that extinct ape IS a direct relative of the great apes, and is a transition between lesser and great apes, it is difficult to imagine just how that species managed to cross the Strait of Gibraltar.
To have a valid opinion on this matter, my friend, you need more than common sense--you need knowledge.
supowit 2 years ago
Lies! There are creationist scientists that are in genetics and chemistry field.
goatmilk222 2 years ago
I haven't met one. And I assure you that I know more scientists than you do. But even if there are SOME, they are statistically irrelevant. There might be a geneticist who's a Nazi, but you would never argue if I said no American scientists are Nazis. Rational, well-educated scientists so overwhelmingly dominate the fields of physics and biology that for all intents and purposes, we say that creationists are not chemists. It would be more than just a generality...
supowit 2 years ago
You prolly do but they're out there.
goatmilk222 2 years ago
@supowit When a creationist's main argument is that "We have cats and dogs but there are no dats or cogs so evolution is wrong" you have to simply realise that logical thought and clear evidence will never be compelling evidence for them. I have resigned myself to accepting that idiocy will continue to reside within a certain percentage of the population and all I can do is sit back and laugh at their ignorace...
eskimokid 1 year ago
@eskimokid
The thing that saddens me, and makes me feel lonely is the fact that the stupid people out number the intellectual by huge MASSES.
supowit 1 year ago
anyhow you guys can't even prove they are non-human apes. Let me ask you this, if our species were facing extinction and went to live on Mars. Then their children came back 5 millon years later. They find fossils of present day chickens and fossils of dodos that existed 2 millon years ago. Then did some carbon dating and then decided, hey they look similar, so they must be transitional fossils!!
don't you guys see how ridiculous this arguement is for evolution?
check up "irreducible complexity
silverwolfalpha 2 years ago
"They find fossils of present day chickens and fossils of dodos that existed 2 millon years ago. Then did some carbon dating and then decided, hey they look similar, so they must be transitional fossils!!" Carbon dating is never used on fossils , moron. If you spent just 5 minutes researching this topic you would not say something that stupid
brospec 2 years ago
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these collection does not prove evolution. As we can see from the fossils that their fundamental characteristics of the human being is distinctly displayed across the collection with small degrees of variation. This is not suprising if the dating of the fossils are correct. However this is no way comprehensive proof that evolution is correct.
Let me ask you this, how did the first protein came about from amino acids without the coding of DNA/RNA and ATP to tell it how to structure it self??
silverwolfalpha 2 years ago
JESUS DID IT!!
hootieismydog 2 years ago
Nuh-uh. It was the flying spaghetti monster! And I have the meatballs to prove it!
odannyboy000 2 years ago 3
"Let me ask you this, how did the first protein came about from amino acids without the coding of DNA/RNA and ATP to tell it how to structure it self??"
Self-replicating, enzymatic nucleotide polymers.
Hmm, that was easy.
supowit 2 years ago