I will gladly agree that China have more social injustice than all the industrialized countries. But most reports about Tibet are outright ridiculously fictional. The video clearly showed a mob of tibetans burning cars, breaking into stores, beating han chinese and the same moment, all the reporters were repeating the same line, the Chinese are brutally cracking down. Rod King riot, LA pd used force to quell the riot, same method. No country would sit idle and allow the city to be burned down.
@HumanRightsVideosT I am just pointing out that particular lie. I am not remotely suggesting they are happy. Of course the rioters are really angry. Just like the rioters in LA, Oakland recently, they have something in common. They are poor and perceived others have discriminated against them. Not just tibetan live in poverty, most Han chinese are really poor too. I understand many tibetan desire to have their own nation, But no nation will relinquish their conquered lands, ask native american.
@HumanRightsVideosT how come no one puts any emphasis on freeing iraq or freeing the middle eastern countries from American domination? why is it okay for America to bring their so call democracy to the middle east but yet its a breach of human rights blah blah blah.... when china liberates tibet and other areas..... please lets look at the full picture here.... we live is a fu*k up world.... lets just go with it and stop jus picking on china....
@HumanRightsVideosT hahaha really do you seriously think the rebel force could have won the war with out NATO? THINK ABOUT IT before you talk..... IDK much about tibet but all i know is that before China liberated tibet the entire population is consist of 10% lamas(tibetan monks) and 90% slaves/peasants who worship these monks..... and now tibet is heading toward modernization, developing into a place where the basic human utilities are available, hospitals, schools etc......
@HumanRightsVideosT nooo they dont KEEP on rising there was only one riot before the olympics due to a punch of fukers in those evil cults who hates han chinese and wants to kill them off and stir shit up before the big event, it is the western media and fuk heads like you fa lun gong lunatics who keeps on stirring shit up okay.... i mean just watch the video freaken one second you fukers complain about the chinese government wiping out your religion and culture....
@HumanRightsVideosT and one second you fukers say tibet is not developed and Chinese government is neglecting the tibetans... double standards mate.... far out
@HumanRightsVideosT you know what your absolutely right..the first thing you said thats useful, but in reality is it really happening.. its also up the the aborigines in Australia to decide who should run their country 300 years ago, its also up the indians to decide who should run their country 4-500 years ago in north america, its ALSO up to the Aztecs to decide who should run their country in mexico, its also up to the Hawaiians to decide who should run their island..sooo yeah go start cult!
@HumanRightsVideosT P.S. its the survival of the fittest in the world and it just seem throughout history its these so-called Hostile Invaders that are surviving, so yeah go start a cult or keep encouraging these malicious riots and create chaos around the world, creating pointless injuries and deaths when you clearly know in REALITY these HOSTILE INVADERS that will WIN
@HumanRightsVideosT P.P.S For the BETTER or for the WORSE they are dominating the world..... and SO FAR if you look at the world as a whole picture, these so called HOSTILE INVADERS around the world are MAKING the WORLD a BETTER PLACE and I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE.... hippies and pointless cults like FA LUN GONG are NOT making the world a better place by generating tensions and chaos....
So for what reason should these "Tibetans" accept the rule of the Dalai, who have never ruled them or can only claimed to have ruled them as part of the Tibetan empire founded by Songtsen Gampo circa 1500 years ago, before the position of Dalai Lama or Gelug school even existed? And trust me, nobody, Westerners, Tibetans, or Chinese, believes that there is no connection between Lobsang Sangay and the good ole Dalai Tenzin Gyatso.
A spiritual leader pulling many of the strings behind the scenes of the so called government in exile and to whom many in the Free Tibet movement look up to for authority.
You didn't get my point did you - if he is the one pulling the strings behind the scenes, then of course he wouldn't appear to be the top dog outright.
To reflect this, China Radio International broadcasts programs in both U-Tsang/Lhasa Tibetan (also called Standard Tibetan) and Kangba Tibetan (what the Khampas speak).
historically controlled. The only reason the Khampas and Amdopas give lip service to the Dalai Lama is because of their mistreatment by Mao's collectivization policies, which were extremely misguided. Unfortunately, history cannot be changed, and what has happened has happened. However, that does not translate them agreeing to be ruled by the Dalai.
Parting Point: the Tibetan language spoken by people in U-Tsang (TAR) is not mutually intelligible with the Tibetan spoken by Amdopas and Khampas.
@HumanRightsVideosT nah i dont i think so, it looks as lame as fuck anyways... i know burning your self is a bit extreme but seriously all you guys care about if not good health, not truthfulness not any other bullshit you guys talk about.... all you guys care about is how to destroy communism china CCP and this is no exaggeration, every time i encounter a fa lun gong all they say is "oh you use to be with the CCP so the only way you dont go to hell is join falungong ==
@HumanRightsVideosT NOO i am not going to because you guys are fucked.... have you notice after these few comments you had put 50% of your emphasis on CCP lying.... i will NOT JOIN a cult who tells me that i WILL go to HELL if i dont join.... listen, quick advice.... if you really want people to join fa lun gong leave politics and just do your thing NOT freaking spend all day trying to convince people how evil the CCP is and how all members of the CCP will go to hell, thats just stupid
To expand on Noobssuckass300's point about Tibetans wanting more territory:
The boundary of the Tibetan Autonomous Region is basically the same as that of the territory controlled by the Dalai Lama before he fled to India. The Dalai, along with his deputy the Panchen Lama, controlled U-Tsang, which is basically today's TAR. The other areas, Kham (Western Sichuan) and Amdo (Qinghai), were never under the temporal control of the Dalai. The Dalai basically demands more territory than he (coninued)
Right - the Lhasa Tibetans back in the day (as in the 16th century) were so adamant about that "Tibet = Tibetan Plateau" thing that they repeatedly invaded Bhutan. Look it up - to this day, Bhutanese hate Tibetans and the Dalai in particular for this and sees them as crazy Gelug cultists bent on totally dominating them and destroying their own culture, based on the state-sponsored Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism.
every person who believe in tibetan independence should agree to returning the continent of america to the native american. the native americans suffered utter devastation at the hands of europians from alaska to the tip of south america. the native americans and hawaians deserve their wonderful land to themselves. if you are a passionate believer of tibetan freedom, you should also advocate independence for this most persecuted group of people in history.
The funny thing is, i have never once heard of the Chinese government criticize the West for invading and exploiting the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. Maybe even Asia. Yet the Western media just loooooooves to bash the Chinese government all the time. A Swiss news program criticized the CCP for brutally suppressing a Tibetan protest, when it was actually Nepalese police. And then they claimed it was a "mistake". Maybe when the Western media stops being hypocrites, the Chinese will work
@Noobssuckass300 That's not a reason or an excuse for what's happening in Tibet. China doesn't criticize the West, right. But what does that have to do? Back in 1950, the West didn't criticize China and they still attacked Tibet. '99% of the monuments in Tibet were destroyed in some years and 1 million of people were killed. The question isn't if we stop criticizing them or not. "China will work out a solution with Tibet" Work out a solution? The solution is giving the independence to Tibet.
@karlanickita The Dalai Llama himself said that he wishes for a peaceful solution with the CCP, including embracing Chinese rule. Also, the Tibetans are not mistreated. There are 56 ethnicities in China, and all ethnicities have a say in the government.
@karlanickita How exactly are they mistreated? Life has improved under the CCP. They get treated like everyone else in China. Before the CCP came, they were suffering under a theocracy. They were serfs, working day and night for the Tibetan Monks. Now, the quality of life has improved. However, censorship is still in place and the monks are chosen by the CCP. Dissent is not tolerated. Its not perfect, but its still better.
@karlanickita Also, if China gives Tibet freedom, this will make China look weak. Next thing you know, the Uiguhyurs will want independence, the Monglians will want MORE Chinese territory. Even the Koreans will take more land from Manchuria and so will the Russians. Hell, even Vietnam will want Hainan and maybe Hong Kong. Have you seen the Tibetan demands? They want more territory than they had originally.
@Noobssuckass300 Second, if China gives Tibet freedom, that won't make China look weak. For me, they are weak right now for doing such things to other country. And tibetan demands? Well, maybe they want a compensation, but in my opinion the original territory would be ok.
Third, Tibetan wasn't always part of China. That just doesn't make sense.
I feel you're just facing the documents. We are talking about violence, invasions..people!! This is not just about territories. It's about a culture.
@karlanickita If China was not Communist, but rather a friend of the United States, would people feel the same way about Tibet? And Tibet was always a part of China. Look at the maps of Europe during the time of the MIng Dynasty. Even further, the Mongolians had conquered Tibet as a part of China. If you look at the maps of European travelers like Matteo Ricci and Marco Polo, they show Tibet as part of China proper. And Tibetan culture is preserved. The palace where the Dalai Lama originally
@karlanickita resided still stands. Tibetan monks are still allowed to practice their religion. Tibetan is taught as a language in Chinese schools. Tibetans are one of the minorities in which they are granted affirmative action. Before all this, as I have said previously, the majority of Tibetans were serfs, serving their Tibetan masters.
@Noobssuckass300 No no no!! Their desire for independence is not only because of pride! Let me ask you something: would you like if something like this happened to your country? Would you say "they invaded my country...but they teach my language in their schools and I can still practice my religion, so it's fine." I guess you wouldn't! This issue is much more complex!!! Oh, and you said tibetans were serfs, serving their tibetan masters. That's true. Is it a bad thing? No! It's what they want!
@karlanickita So, being a serf is a good thing? You think they were happy working 16 hours a day, feeding someone they barely knew? And second, the Chinese did not invade Tibet. I already told you, Tibet was a part of China already. So that argument goes out the door. I understand however, your point. They do not want strangers governing them. However, the Dalai Lama himself said he does not mind Chinese rule. He wants the CCP to rule Tibet as a Special Administrative Region, like Hong Kong.
@Noobssuckass300 I'm happy you are a respectful person. It's so easy to find rude people here on youtube, so it's hard to share our points of view. Anyway, I still keep my opinions and I still think you're only using chinese messages, which are clearly fictional. The biggest mistake on the chinese propaganda is that Tibet was never a country. It obviously was! This issue comes from the beggining of 1900. If you're only facing the facts after the 60's, you can say Tibet was never a country.
@karlanickita The CCP are not using propaganda to justify that Tibet was a part of China. If you look on the European maps, they clearly show Tibet as part of China. It is true Tibet was never a country. It was a province. When the Mongols invaded China and conquered it, Genghis Khan met Tsangpa Dunkhurwa, the ruler of Tibet. Dunkhurwa sent tribute to Ghenghis Khan.
@karlanickita First of all, the US was a COLONY of the British crown. The CCP is saying Tibet is not a colony. It was a PROVINCE of China. Just like Devonshire is a province of England, just like Bavaria is a province of Germany, just like New York is a province of the US. So no, the USA should not be a province of Spain and also not Great Britain.
@karlanickita Fine, lets compare Hawaii to Tibet. Hawaii is mainly composed of Asians and native Hawaiians. Shall we give back Hawaii to the Hawaiians?
The Sino-Tibetan Treaty 821/823 is a treaty of friendship written in both Tibetan and Chinese set out the terms of peace and borders between Tibet and China.
It can still be seen on a stone pillar in front of the Jokhang temple in the Barkhor Square in Lhasa. (So if you go to Tibet please check it out). It can also be seen here
@karlanickita What most people are confused about is the fact that the Song Dynasty of China in South China had not yet been conquered by the Mongols, Tibetan historians argue that China and Tibet remained two separate units within the Mongol Empire. It may therefore be more accurate to describe this process as first North China, and then Tibet being incorporated into the Mongol Empire,
@karlanickita which was later inherited by the Yuan Dynasty founded by Kublai Khan in 1271. Kublai Khan left both the Chinese and Tibetan legal and administrative systems intact. In 1907, Britain and Russia agreed that in "conformity with the admitted principle of the suzerainty of China over Tibet. Thus, Tibet remained a part of China proper, through the Ming Dynasty, the Qing Dynasty, and until the abdication of Puyi in 1911, when China fragmented into several provinces ruled by warlords.
@karlanickita I understand why Tibetans want independence. For them, its matter of pride. They want self-rule. Their desire for independence is similar to Croats and other minorities in the Balkans who wanted self-rule during the '90s. However, unless the West decides to stop trying to weaken China, China will never give Tibetans independence because it will set a precedence for other countries to demand that China cede more territory.
@karlanickita I also forgot to mention that the British tried to invade Tibet but the Chinese asserted control over Tibet. The Tibetans signed the Anglo-Tibetan treaty, in which the British crown promised not to annex Tibet. The Chinese then signed the Sino-British treaty, in which China did not assert authority over Tibet, but Tibet was to remain under Chinese control.
The figures you cite, such as 1 million dead, are disputed. What evidence do you have to stop me from saying that that figure is false? What evidence do you have to back your claim that it is true? Don't throw around figures like that - that just shows your bias. Use solid, proven facts. Do your research.
Then again, this is youtube, so its not like our bout of he said she said is going to affect Tibet. This goes for people on both sides of the issue.
@Bournetolive I'm not trying to get in a fight or something here. I'm just trying to show some facts. I didn't understand what you meant on the cities being disputed, maybe because of my english. But I feel you are just facing nowadays facts..what's happening from 5 or 10 years ago. This is a really old issue and I know what I'm talking about because this is something that I'm really concerned about. I've done my research, I'm sure you've done yours. Don't be rude to other people please.
I don't know if you have read what I wrote, but I will only accept figures compiled once the CCP releases statistical figures from that time from their official archives and this has been verified by independent scholars.
@karlanickita Furthermore, there are other countries that are more oppressive to people than the Chinese. In Chechnya, the Russians bombed the city of Grozni and other cities because they protested. In Palestine, children are killed by IDF soldiers because of what their parents have done. Even in Northern Ireland, the IRA and British army/ SAS are still fighting each other. The West chooses to point out China because China is a threat to them.
@Noobssuckass300 In a way I agree with you, but I guess you misunderstood my point of view. I'm not talking about tibetans who live in China. I'm talking about "native" tibetans who live in Tibet. But I do have some things to point out related to what you said:
- The fact that Russia, for example, is more oppresive does not justify China being oppresive. If a student copies in a exam (just an example) he can't justify that by saying other student copied more questions. We can't compare countries
@karlanickita Also, it can be proven that Tibet was always a part of China. If you look at ancient European maps, going as far back as the Ming Dynasty, Mongolia and Tibet were a part of China. The territories that make up China were fragmented during the Warlord Era in the 1920s. Chiang Kai-Shek (Father of Taiwan), retook these territories in the Northern Expedition. After the Second Sino-Japanese War, and the Chinese Civil War, Mao Tse-Tung retook these territories once again.
@karlanickita The Tibetans initially welcomed the Chinese (Yes they did because the Chinese soldiers had helped them a little when the British tried to colonize Tibet as part of their sphere of influence) but things got violent. The Chinese sent the Dalai Lama the 17 point agreement. The Dalai Lama accepted it, except he wanted a few things changed which the CCP agreed to. However, a few Tibetans rioted and the CCP overreacted and killed a lot of people. That's why the Tibetans are upset now.
@chopper0 It wasn't even from the Chinese side that found out about USA training rebels. It was actually from the americans themselves. Isn't it ironic? It is known to people that the Dalai Lama IS being paid by USA. It is also known that USA trained Tibetan rebels in california in 1959. Most of my information is not even from the Chinese side. I'm smart enough to look at both sides, then look for more info. Unlike you, who will blindly jump on the bandwagon.
@chopper0 And how many Tibetans do you know? Care about what people in Tibet think? you don't even know a Tibetan. And the one sided story? what about the one from your government? What evidence? there is alot of evidence of Tibetans brutally killing their own people before reunification, and of Tibetans killing Chinese. Like the violent protest in 2008. Look at it, son. 700 years ago, Tibet's part of Yuan China. Then after that, Ming China, then Qing China. Then the early republican era.
@chopper0 The only people who actually support ''free'' Tibet are blind westerners jumping on the bandwaggon of the US government, and supporters of the Dalai regime. Please don't think your country is all that good all the time, they are in a cold war with China using Tibet as a weapon. In 1959, a small group of Tibetan rebels attacked Tibet, and they were funded by the CIA. Even today, the Dalai Lama is being paid by the CIA to overthrow China in Tibet.
@chopper0 Tibet was reunified in 1950, and brought an end to the Dalai's 2 decade tyrant rule. In the Dalai Lama's reign, Tibetans didn't have heealth care, the life expectancy was under 30, over 95% of the entire population in Tibet were peasant slaves to the aristocracy. The dalai lama himself had over 3000 personal slaves. He even got arms and legs as sacrificial offerings on his birthday. If you think living in feudal Tibet is a good thing, I laugh at you. You probably wouldn't survive 1 yr
@chopper0 Omfg. Westerners like you are so ignorant. You don't know SHIT about Tibetan history. How many Tibetans do you know? USA's government is making up Tibetan problems as a cold war tactic to attack China. Learn your fucking history. In the 19th century, Tibet had already been part of China for 600 years. in the 20th century, the last Chinese dynasty fell and Tibet claimed independence, and all of China was separated by over 30 warlords. Tibet was then reunified in 1950.
China developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .labors are prisoners without salary..that's why Chinese product are cheap in today's market
China developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .labors are prisoners without salary..that's why Chinese product are cheap in today's market
China s developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .labors are prisoners without salary..that's why Chinese product are cheap in today's market
feel sorry for chinese government. if they try to modernize the region, the tibetans are going to complain their traditional cultures are being destroied. if chinese leaves it alone, tibetans are going to complain it is economic neglect. the best solution is probably exterminate all the tibetans to eliminate the nagging complainers
@jackrowet1234 if you actually look at the governing officials of tar, they are tibetants of the communist party. the issue of independence of autonomy is something the dalai and ccp have to work with.
@powerofthroughts Religion dividing peoples that is ur chinese(Maos) thought.We don't need to think that way.Tibet is a budhist nation and peoples of Tibet will think that waynot like communist.
How come WHITES from industrialized countries HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY to ride a jet and ogle at THEIR IMAGINED world of Tibet and Nepal of the "simple natives" "living a simple life"..... shouldn't the Tibetan and Nepalese peoples be allowed to industrialize their worlds so that they too can ride a jet and ogle at the WHITES and their EXISTING industrialized lands?
CHINA LIES TIBET DIES... LONG LIVE DALAI LAMA.... UNO WE WANT JUSTICE... STOP KILLING IN TIBET.... FREE TIBET... FREE TURKISTAN... FUCK ALL CHINESE... KILL ALL CHINESE...
@lukebccb India is not communist like China.Indian govt is inviting every party in kashmir on dialogue table but communist believe in massacre and torture.Dalai lama has given mximum concesion to china for a successful talk under chinese constitution but communist govt never took seriously.They themself never respect chinese law.
@Fiorwestcoast: if a Tibetan states that I can give credence of that statement but being you're a WHITE person posting from the USofA and couldn't even pick out Guyana or New Guinea or Andorra on the global map, let alone Tibet or Nepal, and YOU haven't the slightest hint of East Asian history......... YOUR WORDS HAVE NO MEANING.
I want to ask... If tibetans can have self determination
why cant the native americans, australian aborigines, new zealand maoris? And ALL other COLONISED races by WHITE PEOPLE.
O yea thats right, White people think they are sooooooooooo superior that white people do not have to abide by the same standards THEY set for non white people
@PRCForever because most white people are done oppressing, and those that are still, get told off. China is still shooting and castrating, and stopping people form speaking tibetan.
Free Tibet... It gives me the impression that they are more interested in seeing a nomadic Tibet like they see safari in Africa than serving Tibetan's real interest.
I mst ask 888reventon, once the Dalai Lama dies who will you choose to become the new bad guy? You MUST have a bad guy, otherwise you are forced to deal with the wish for self rule by Tibetans and nothing else.
whatever way you and your ilk behind the scene will carry out the so called "the wish for self rule by the tibetans", we chinese will certainly deal with it accordingly and decisively.
First of all amorolic, your profile says you are in America. If you are going to threaten other Americans while living in america, why don't you be a man and post your info instead of hiding behind a computer screen throwing out childish threats?? Go find your local Tibetan community and tell them how big and bad China is to their faces! I would love to see that.
Because I'm in this country on a exchange programme which will end very soon. and I use this youtube account which I signed up when I was in this country. I don't look at those
tibetan community as genuinely tibetan, actually they are paid by their maters behind the scene, in other ways, we don't give a shit about what a puppet got to say..
And from what do you base this opinion of the Tibetan exile commmunity? Have you spent allot of time around them, listening to them and getting to know them, THNE coming to your conclusion?? Or do you listen to what your government tells you and accept it blindly?? By the way, for much of this summer if you had not been in the U.S. you would not have been able to use this website because of the fear and paranoia of your government.
@sohei75 once the dalai lama is reborn, tibetan won't really give a shit about it anymore. their primary problem is inequality and china will simply just have to address that issue, it is as simple as that. the US civil right movement isn't about black american wanting to establish a "black america", they just want equality.
People like 888reventon amaze me. They have never been to Tibet, probably don't know any Tibetans. Yet they develop strong opinions on this situation based on what the Chinese government, which openly has a propoganda wing, has to say on the matter. And if people like 888 are cornered on this they resort to attacking the Tibets that escape. Their MUST be something wrong with them! They are elites...they are disgruntled...they just don't appreciate the peoples paradise! What fair, reasoned minds
Funny how you label anyone who supports Tibetan independance as an extremist. Do you also feel this way about Mongolians? Or did Stalin change your opinion as he did Mao's?
Same can be said about you fanatical free tibet sheeple. Anyone who doesn't kiss the dalai lama's ass and support these former slave owner must be a brainwashed ccp agent right? All saints need to be guilty until proven innocent!
" All saints need to be guilty until proven innocent! " Spoken like a true athiest commie that neither understands nor respects the widely held beliefs of the people he claims are being "liberated". You, a non Tibetan, feel it is your place to tell the Tibetan people what to believe and how to believe it! You are no better than the European colonizers of China.
Tibetans and Uyghurs riot because they have grievances they feel are not being addressed by any legitimate means. not because they are instructed to by His Holiness The Dalai Lama or Kadeer.
Too many tibetan propagandist on youtube. Trying to sugar coat everything their movement does even when their rioter kill innocent civilians and saying its not that bad!!! The world has seen with its eyes that tibetans are just religious fanatics killing and then justifying it in the name of religion
Really? It has been widely reported that the CCP has online propoganda offices with armies of agents all over the internet. Would they ignore youtube? I doubt that.
What the hell does my comment have to do with yours. See what I mean by tibetan exiles sugar coating everything and then avoiding the hard facts. What about the innocent deaths caused by your fanatical religious fundamentalist???????? How do you explain that?
We Tibetans don't owe you an explanation. And my family were Nomads before you jump to conclusions. The hard facts are that Tibet wasn't perfect prior to the invasion but we were free and not controlled by the Chinese. That's a fact. If I'm wrong then the Chinese are the ones responsible for the theocracy in Tibet. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Note: slavery in China was prevalent in 1949, never slavery in Tibet, never a famine until the Chinese invaded.
A growing numbers of middle-class Chinese are turning to Tibetan Buddhism, driven by the perception of a spiritual vacuum in society and aided by the voluminous information available on the Internet. Communist Party officials and celebrities alike have embraced Tibetan Buddhism, despite having to worship at home, meet their lamas at night and run the risk of attending officially unauthorized events
Religious force has never been a dominant force in the history of China. Chinese people are realistic people. They want to live a good life now not after their death. Religion offers an after life. That is because everyone in the deepest of his heart is scared of death. Religion teaches you how to overcome death. Tibetans worry more about their after life than their current life. That is the difference
Mao put it his own way: A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth' that's where goldenkey007 got his education from... and so many of his friends including chinesefart aka chineseheart, un992 and many other pro chinese communist who get paid 1 yuan an hr to put these comments on tibet videos... all they have to do is copy and paste... sad...
CCP are Disgusting occupiers - that should be aknowledged -- Tibet is not China so stuff what CCP bandits want FREE TIBET CCP OUT -It is not terrorism to support Tibet -- Its justice against CCP
do you just not understand that the west doesnt give a shit about tibet
they use "free tibet" to demonize China their political and economical enemy
You really are a victim of your country's propaganda. I know from personal experience that most Tibetans are in fact doing well. And that after the invasion of Tibet, the Chinese have built schools, roads, and hospitals in Tibet and established a strong government
Who is telling you that the west cares about Tibet? You have problem with the West you deal with it. We Tibetans have nothing to do with it. We are fighting for our own cause. Vast majority of Tibetans are still living in poverty. Tibetans are discriminated because they are not Chinese.
China is the World Leader in: 1) Lying 2) Torture 3) Racism 4) Brutality 5) Executions 6) Repression 7) Slave Prisons 8) Internet Censorship 9) Human Rights Abuse 10) Vulgar Lowlife Speech "A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth." -Chairman Mao
all Americans western people have no right to say the word "HUMAN RIGHT" because look at URSELF. what did u do to the native americans?? black Americans ?? indians?? Vietnamese?? Koreans?? Chinese?? Japanese?? yeayea, u r not doing it now? then what r u doing in Iraq? bombing their city and killed millions, u call those HUMAN RIGHT??
How about what we Tibetans deserve? Our country back, our freedom to practice our religion, our very way of life, our culture. Access to our land, our resources, ability to benefit from our spiritual heritage and the great depth of Tibetan culture.
What about what the natives in the west want, the haiwaiians, the aboriginals, the palestinians. Tibet is not the only issure in this world. And if one really wanted to support a critical urgent issue, tibet is probably the least important of all, just as the palestinians?
What about them? If they have a desire they are free to pursue it. Your approach seems to be that because one group did it then it's okay for another group to do it. So humanity shouldn't evolve from your perspective? They should continue to commit the same atrocities again, again, and again. Tibet is vitally important. What the Chinese are doing in Tibet, indeed, to Tibet will have tragic consequences for the entire planet.
and yes sadly u dont understand the same happening with the tibetans..let alone tibetans u kill ur own people so what can i say.....come out of china and then see the world.....and u will know where u stand..and any ways i dont hate u for beating and killing my people...my god bless u....
Wow, thats logic for you. China has known occupation so that gives you the right to occupy others? Do chinese not have the capacity to learn from their own experiences??
ok if chinese goverment block every one from entering tibet than how u guys get these video about the life of tibetans? will it could be either that u guys faked the video or u guys lying that chinese goverment blocked people from entering tibet, who says the monk need no money to survive? don't they eat, need shelter, and buying these religious item for their budda god?
All you exiles do is try to destabilize china/tibet by getting your small group of separist to promote propaganda inside and outside of china. Theocratic rules is over, live with it!!!
Destabilize? That's funny. The propaganda that Tibet is part of China and has always been is entirely fictional and that's why it's vulnerable to destabilization in the first place. Agree with how we lived or not we really don't care. It' s our country, we Tibetans are not Chinese, never were and never will be.
Free Tibet!
sebastionay 3 weeks ago
tibet is better under china
IowaEngineering 6 months ago
@ IowaEngineering the video
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New Life in Tibet?
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Dawa Tsering: In its history, Tibet never had people starved to death or peasant uprisings.
All Tibetan uprisings broke out under the CCP's rule.
Besides CCP, nobody believes Tibet had serfdom.
HumanRightsVideosT 3 months ago 5
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@HumanRightsVideosT dharamsala tbegs are cock sucking pigs, dirty, dumb , lazy and retarded. only dharamsala zoo can breed such useless low lives !
goldenkey007 3 months ago
I will gladly agree that China have more social injustice than all the industrialized countries. But most reports about Tibet are outright ridiculously fictional. The video clearly showed a mob of tibetans burning cars, breaking into stores, beating han chinese and the same moment, all the reporters were repeating the same line, the Chinese are brutally cracking down. Rod King riot, LA pd used force to quell the riot, same method. No country would sit idle and allow the city to be burned down.
brothersixteen 6 months ago
@ brothersixteen
Why do you think Tibetans keep on rising up against the communist invaders ???
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Tibet is Hell on Earth for Tibetans. If things were good in Tibet for Tibetans they wouldn't keep on protesting would they...
HumanRightsVideosT 6 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT I am just pointing out that particular lie. I am not remotely suggesting they are happy. Of course the rioters are really angry. Just like the rioters in LA, Oakland recently, they have something in common. They are poor and perceived others have discriminated against them. Not just tibetan live in poverty, most Han chinese are really poor too. I understand many tibetan desire to have their own nation, But no nation will relinquish their conquered lands, ask native american.
brothersixteen 6 months ago
@ brothersixteen
US citizens have rights. NOT so in Tibet or China. That's why there are many protests in Tibet and China.
To see communist party violence in Tibet please watch the important video
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China's Brutality in Tibet EXPOSED ! (7:37 minutes)
watch?v=PqjC9Wa3sxE
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FREE Tibet and China. History tells us that no empire lasts forever.
HumanRightsVideosT 6 months ago 7
@HumanRightsVideosT how come no one puts any emphasis on freeing iraq or freeing the middle eastern countries from American domination? why is it okay for America to bring their so call democracy to the middle east but yet its a breach of human rights blah blah blah.... when china liberates tibet and other areas..... please lets look at the full picture here.... we live is a fu*k up world.... lets just go with it and stop jus picking on china....
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@ TheZhenyehuo
Is Libya dominated by the US ? I don't think so.
Iraq and the US Vietnam War are the biggest military blunders I'm aware of.
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Tibetans have been thrust into SLAVERY since the HOSTILE invasion began in 1950.
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Mercury POISONING in China is a massive issue. How many people know about Mercury POISONING ???
(and i'm not just talking about China, its a Global Problem - coal burning, light bulbs, gold mining, mercury fillings.....)
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago 4
@HumanRightsVideosT hahaha really do you seriously think the rebel force could have won the war with out NATO? THINK ABOUT IT before you talk..... IDK much about tibet but all i know is that before China liberated tibet the entire population is consist of 10% lamas(tibetan monks) and 90% slaves/peasants who worship these monks..... and now tibet is heading toward modernization, developing into a place where the basic human utilities are available, hospitals, schools etc......
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@ TheZhenyehuo
If Tibetans were liberated by invading communists
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how come they keep on rising up against the hostile invaders ???
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT nooo they dont KEEP on rising there was only one riot before the olympics due to a punch of fukers in those evil cults who hates han chinese and wants to kill them off and stir shit up before the big event, it is the western media and fuk heads like you fa lun gong lunatics who keeps on stirring shit up okay.... i mean just watch the video freaken one second you fukers complain about the chinese government wiping out your religion and culture....
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@ TheZhenyehuo
Tibetans protested across their country of Tibet in 2008.
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Please go to
uprisingarchive. org/Resources/Tibet%20Pro test%20Map%202008%20.jpg (remove 2 spaces)
to see a map of the 2008 Tibet protests
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT and one second you fukers say tibet is not developed and Chinese government is neglecting the tibetans... double standards mate.... far out
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@TheZhenyehuo
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Its up to Tibetans to decide what happens in their COUNTRY
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NOT Hostile Invaders
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT you know what your absolutely right..the first thing you said thats useful, but in reality is it really happening.. its also up the the aborigines in Australia to decide who should run their country 300 years ago, its also up the indians to decide who should run their country 4-500 years ago in north america, its ALSO up to the Aztecs to decide who should run their country in mexico, its also up to the Hawaiians to decide who should run their island..sooo yeah go start cult!
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT P.S. its the survival of the fittest in the world and it just seem throughout history its these so-called Hostile Invaders that are surviving, so yeah go start a cult or keep encouraging these malicious riots and create chaos around the world, creating pointless injuries and deaths when you clearly know in REALITY these HOSTILE INVADERS that will WIN
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT P.P.S For the BETTER or for the WORSE they are dominating the world..... and SO FAR if you look at the world as a whole picture, these so called HOSTILE INVADERS around the world are MAKING the WORLD a BETTER PLACE and I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE.... hippies and pointless cults like FA LUN GONG are NOT making the world a better place by generating tensions and chaos....
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@ TheZhenyehuo
Please ask a Tibetan who is free to speak out
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the CCP is doing a great job.
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I think you will find the answer is NO way.
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
So for what reason should these "Tibetans" accept the rule of the Dalai, who have never ruled them or can only claimed to have ruled them as part of the Tibetan empire founded by Songtsen Gampo circa 1500 years ago, before the position of Dalai Lama or Gelug school even existed? And trust me, nobody, Westerners, Tibetans, or Chinese, believes that there is no connection between Lobsang Sangay and the good ole Dalai Tenzin Gyatso.
Bournetolive 6 months ago
@ Bournetolive
HHDL is only a spiritual leader now. Please keep up with the news.
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
A spiritual leader pulling many of the strings behind the scenes of the so called government in exile and to whom many in the Free Tibet movement look up to for authority.
Bournetolive 6 months ago
@ Bournetolive
If he's not the top dog he's not the one in ultimate control is he ...
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
You didn't get my point did you - if he is the one pulling the strings behind the scenes, then of course he wouldn't appear to be the top dog outright.
Bournetolive 6 months ago
@ Bournetolive
You are just guessing that he is pulling the strings. A guess is worth nothing.
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Do you know that it was HHDL who wanted Tibetans to go democratic ???
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Tibetans were happy with him ruling Tibet because they hold him in extremely high regard.
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
To reflect this, China Radio International broadcasts programs in both U-Tsang/Lhasa Tibetan (also called Standard Tibetan) and Kangba Tibetan (what the Khampas speak).
Bournetolive 7 months ago
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@ Bournetolive
1. Tibetans want their country back.
2. Tibetans don't want CCP Propaganda and Lies
3. Do you know there is NO economic growth in the PRC when you take Pollution into account ???
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
historically controlled. The only reason the Khampas and Amdopas give lip service to the Dalai Lama is because of their mistreatment by Mao's collectivization policies, which were extremely misguided. Unfortunately, history cannot be changed, and what has happened has happened. However, that does not translate them agreeing to be ruled by the Dalai.
Parting Point: the Tibetan language spoken by people in U-Tsang (TAR) is not mutually intelligible with the Tibetan spoken by Amdopas and Khampas.
Bournetolive 7 months ago
@ Bournetolive
Tibetans don't want Invaders in their country.
You seem unfamiliar with the human rights abuses happening in modern Tibet. Please watch
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Tibet: Murder In The Snow – Trailer
Tibet: Murder In The Snow – Trailer
@ watch?v=LYN-mzRLABg
and start learning about Tibet
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago 2
@FalunGongIsAmazing STFU you falungong son of a bitch == why dont you just go burn your self and go to heaven like yu wish to....
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@ TheZhenyehuo
Have you tried the Falun Gong exercises at a Falun Gong practice site ?
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Falun Gong is very good for you, but the CCP lie and say the opposite.
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT nah i dont i think so, it looks as lame as fuck anyways... i know burning your self is a bit extreme but seriously all you guys care about if not good health, not truthfulness not any other bullshit you guys talk about.... all you guys care about is how to destroy communism china CCP and this is no exaggeration, every time i encounter a fa lun gong all they say is "oh you use to be with the CCP so the only way you dont go to hell is join falungong ==
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
@ TheZhenyehuo
Search on False Fire
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learn about one of the stunts pulled by the lying CCP
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT NOO i am not going to because you guys are fucked.... have you notice after these few comments you had put 50% of your emphasis on CCP lying.... i will NOT JOIN a cult who tells me that i WILL go to HELL if i dont join.... listen, quick advice.... if you really want people to join fa lun gong leave politics and just do your thing NOT freaking spend all day trying to convince people how evil the CCP is and how all members of the CCP will go to hell, thats just stupid
TheZhenyehuo 2 months ago
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@ TheZhenyehuo
I think you have been told lies about Falun Gong.
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Is killing 60 to 80 million people politics ???
HumanRightsVideosT 2 months ago
To expand on Noobssuckass300's point about Tibetans wanting more territory:
The boundary of the Tibetan Autonomous Region is basically the same as that of the territory controlled by the Dalai Lama before he fled to India. The Dalai, along with his deputy the Panchen Lama, controlled U-Tsang, which is basically today's TAR. The other areas, Kham (Western Sichuan) and Amdo (Qinghai), were never under the temporal control of the Dalai. The Dalai basically demands more territory than he (coninued)
Bournetolive 7 months ago
@ Bournetolive
Areas outside HH's control were controlled by other Tibetans
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Tibet is the Tibetan Plateau
HumanRightsVideosT 6 months ago
@HumanRightsVideosT
Right - the Lhasa Tibetans back in the day (as in the 16th century) were so adamant about that "Tibet = Tibetan Plateau" thing that they repeatedly invaded Bhutan. Look it up - to this day, Bhutanese hate Tibetans and the Dalai in particular for this and sees them as crazy Gelug cultists bent on totally dominating them and destroying their own culture, based on the state-sponsored Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism.
Bournetolive 6 months ago
every person who believe in tibetan independence should agree to returning the continent of america to the native american. the native americans suffered utter devastation at the hands of europians from alaska to the tip of south america. the native americans and hawaians deserve their wonderful land to themselves. if you are a passionate believer of tibetan freedom, you should also advocate independence for this most persecuted group of people in history.
brothersixteen 7 months ago
@ brothersixteen
People have rights in the US. Not so in Tibet and China.
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
out a solution with Tibet.
Noobssuckass300 9 months ago
The funny thing is, i have never once heard of the Chinese government criticize the West for invading and exploiting the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. Maybe even Asia. Yet the Western media just loooooooves to bash the Chinese government all the time. A Swiss news program criticized the CCP for brutally suppressing a Tibetan protest, when it was actually Nepalese police. And then they claimed it was a "mistake". Maybe when the Western media stops being hypocrites, the Chinese will work
Noobssuckass300 9 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 maybe America is just jealous or scared. lol. i totally agree
ervin920 9 months ago
@ervin920 It's not America, but the West in general, and sell out Asian countries.
Noobssuckass300 9 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 That's not a reason or an excuse for what's happening in Tibet. China doesn't criticize the West, right. But what does that have to do? Back in 1950, the West didn't criticize China and they still attacked Tibet. '99% of the monuments in Tibet were destroyed in some years and 1 million of people were killed. The question isn't if we stop criticizing them or not. "China will work out a solution with Tibet" Work out a solution? The solution is giving the independence to Tibet.
karlanickita 9 months ago
@karlanickita The Dalai Llama himself said that he wishes for a peaceful solution with the CCP, including embracing Chinese rule. Also, the Tibetans are not mistreated. There are 56 ethnicities in China, and all ethnicities have a say in the government.
Noobssuckass300 9 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 The tibetans are not mistreated? Oh yes they are. And that's the big problem.
karlanickita 7 months ago
@karlanickita How exactly are they mistreated? Life has improved under the CCP. They get treated like everyone else in China. Before the CCP came, they were suffering under a theocracy. They were serfs, working day and night for the Tibetan Monks. Now, the quality of life has improved. However, censorship is still in place and the monks are chosen by the CCP. Dissent is not tolerated. Its not perfect, but its still better.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita Also, if China gives Tibet freedom, this will make China look weak. Next thing you know, the Uiguhyurs will want independence, the Monglians will want MORE Chinese territory. Even the Koreans will take more land from Manchuria and so will the Russians. Hell, even Vietnam will want Hainan and maybe Hong Kong. Have you seen the Tibetan demands? They want more territory than they had originally.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 Second, if China gives Tibet freedom, that won't make China look weak. For me, they are weak right now for doing such things to other country. And tibetan demands? Well, maybe they want a compensation, but in my opinion the original territory would be ok.
Third, Tibetan wasn't always part of China. That just doesn't make sense.
I feel you're just facing the documents. We are talking about violence, invasions..people!! This is not just about territories. It's about a culture.
karlanickita 7 months ago
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@karlanickita If China was not Communist, but rather a friend of the United States, would people feel the same way about Tibet? And Tibet was always a part of China. Look at the maps of Europe during the time of the MIng Dynasty. Even further, the Mongolians had conquered Tibet as a part of China. If you look at the maps of European travelers like Matteo Ricci and Marco Polo, they show Tibet as part of China proper. And Tibetan culture is preserved. The palace where the Dalai Lama originally
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 And have you been watching Chinese videos on this issue? Because you're just seeing their point of view.
karlanickita 7 months ago
@karlanickita resided still stands. Tibetan monks are still allowed to practice their religion. Tibetan is taught as a language in Chinese schools. Tibetans are one of the minorities in which they are granted affirmative action. Before all this, as I have said previously, the majority of Tibetans were serfs, serving their Tibetan masters.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 No no no!! Their desire for independence is not only because of pride! Let me ask you something: would you like if something like this happened to your country? Would you say "they invaded my country...but they teach my language in their schools and I can still practice my religion, so it's fine." I guess you wouldn't! This issue is much more complex!!! Oh, and you said tibetans were serfs, serving their tibetan masters. That's true. Is it a bad thing? No! It's what they want!
karlanickita 7 months ago
@karlanickita So, being a serf is a good thing? You think they were happy working 16 hours a day, feeding someone they barely knew? And second, the Chinese did not invade Tibet. I already told you, Tibet was a part of China already. So that argument goes out the door. I understand however, your point. They do not want strangers governing them. However, the Dalai Lama himself said he does not mind Chinese rule. He wants the CCP to rule Tibet as a Special Administrative Region, like Hong Kong.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 I'm happy you are a respectful person. It's so easy to find rude people here on youtube, so it's hard to share our points of view. Anyway, I still keep my opinions and I still think you're only using chinese messages, which are clearly fictional. The biggest mistake on the chinese propaganda is that Tibet was never a country. It obviously was! This issue comes from the beggining of 1900. If you're only facing the facts after the 60's, you can say Tibet was never a country.
karlanickita 7 months ago
@karlanickita The CCP are not using propaganda to justify that Tibet was a part of China. If you look on the European maps, they clearly show Tibet as part of China. It is true Tibet was never a country. It was a province. When the Mongols invaded China and conquered it, Genghis Khan met Tsangpa Dunkhurwa, the ruler of Tibet. Dunkhurwa sent tribute to Ghenghis Khan.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 Tibet was a country. You're from the USA right? Then the USA should be a province of Spain!
karlanickita 7 months ago
@karlanickita First of all, the US was a COLONY of the British crown. The CCP is saying Tibet is not a colony. It was a PROVINCE of China. Just like Devonshire is a province of England, just like Bavaria is a province of Germany, just like New York is a province of the US. So no, the USA should not be a province of Spain and also not Great Britain.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 How can you even compare New York to Tibet? O_O
karlanickita 6 months ago
@karlanickita New York= province of USA, just like Tibet= province of China
Noobssuckass300 6 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 You can't compare a state to Tibet. It's just not comparable.
karlanickita 6 months ago
@karlanickita why not?
Noobssuckass300 6 months ago
@karlanickita Fine, lets compare Hawaii to Tibet. Hawaii is mainly composed of Asians and native Hawaiians. Shall we give back Hawaii to the Hawaiians?
Noobssuckass300 6 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 We? I'm not American. But once again, you can't compare Hawaii to Tibet. Diferent situations.
karlanickita 6 months ago
@karlanickita Why not?
Noobssuckass300 6 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 It just doesn't make sense for me. Hawaii and Tibet are diferent countries. You can't compare their actual situations.
karlanickita 6 months ago
@karlanickita Hawaii is not a country.
Noobssuckass300 6 months ago
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@Noobssuckass300 Exactly, that's why I'm saying you can't compare.
karlanickita 6 months ago
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@ Noobssuckass300
China was the first country to recognise Tibet.
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The Sino-Tibetan Treaty 821/823 is a treaty of friendship written in both Tibetan and Chinese set out the terms of peace and borders between Tibet and China.
It can still be seen on a stone pillar in front of the Jokhang temple in the Barkhor Square in Lhasa. (So if you go to Tibet please check it out). It can also be seen here
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tibetjustice. org/materials/treaties/ treaties1.html (remove 2 spaces)
HumanRightsVideosT 6 months ago 3
@ HumanRightsVideosT
tibetjustice. org
is an excellent website. International Lawyers have done excellent research.
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
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@HumanRightsVideosT
Communist Party supporters can't take they Truth and they mark the best comments as spam.
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China signed treaties with Tibet in 821/823, 1890, 1908, 1914, 1918 and 1951
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KrazyNinjaPanda 6 months ago
@karlanickita What most people are confused about is the fact that the Song Dynasty of China in South China had not yet been conquered by the Mongols, Tibetan historians argue that China and Tibet remained two separate units within the Mongol Empire. It may therefore be more accurate to describe this process as first North China, and then Tibet being incorporated into the Mongol Empire,
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita which was later inherited by the Yuan Dynasty founded by Kublai Khan in 1271. Kublai Khan left both the Chinese and Tibetan legal and administrative systems intact. In 1907, Britain and Russia agreed that in "conformity with the admitted principle of the suzerainty of China over Tibet. Thus, Tibet remained a part of China proper, through the Ming Dynasty, the Qing Dynasty, and until the abdication of Puyi in 1911, when China fragmented into several provinces ruled by warlords.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita because the Tibetans believed that the CCP were committing "genocide" according to the Western sources (Cold War- China was communist).
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita I understand why Tibetans want independence. For them, its matter of pride. They want self-rule. Their desire for independence is similar to Croats and other minorities in the Balkans who wanted self-rule during the '90s. However, unless the West decides to stop trying to weaken China, China will never give Tibetans independence because it will set a precedence for other countries to demand that China cede more territory.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita I also forgot to mention that the British tried to invade Tibet but the Chinese asserted control over Tibet. The Tibetans signed the Anglo-Tibetan treaty, in which the British crown promised not to annex Tibet. The Chinese then signed the Sino-British treaty, in which China did not assert authority over Tibet, but Tibet was to remain under Chinese control.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita
The figures you cite, such as 1 million dead, are disputed. What evidence do you have to stop me from saying that that figure is false? What evidence do you have to back your claim that it is true? Don't throw around figures like that - that just shows your bias. Use solid, proven facts. Do your research.
Then again, this is youtube, so its not like our bout of he said she said is going to affect Tibet. This goes for people on both sides of the issue.
Bournetolive 8 months ago
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@Bournetolive
In 1959 the International Commission of Jurists found that Genocide had been committed in Tibet.
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FREE Tibet, South Mongolia and China from the EVIL CCP
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
@Bournetolive I'm not trying to get in a fight or something here. I'm just trying to show some facts. I didn't understand what you meant on the cities being disputed, maybe because of my english. But I feel you are just facing nowadays facts..what's happening from 5 or 10 years ago. This is a really old issue and I know what I'm talking about because this is something that I'm really concerned about. I've done my research, I'm sure you've done yours. Don't be rude to other people please.
karlanickita 7 months ago
@ Bournetolive
Tibetans killed by the chinese communist party
*Our Times: 1,200,000
*Courtois: 600,000 - 1,200,000
*Walker, Robert: 500,000-1,000,000
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
@FalunGongIsAmazing
I don't know if you have read what I wrote, but I will only accept figures compiled once the CCP releases statistical figures from that time from their official archives and this has been verified by independent scholars.
Bournetolive 6 months ago
@ Bournetolive
The CCP claimed only 4 Chinese children died from Melamine Poisoning. Do you believe that ???
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
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@FalunGongIsAmazing
This video is about Tibet - copy and paste your comment about melamine when I comment on a video about that.
Bournetolive 6 months ago
@Bournetolive
Don't you like talking about human rights in China ???
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Its the same backward government creating MANY man made Disasters in China AND Tibet !!!
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Some people have lots to say about Tibet. But they shut up when you start talking to them about China.
FalunGongIsAmazing 6 months ago
@karlanickita Furthermore, there are other countries that are more oppressive to people than the Chinese. In Chechnya, the Russians bombed the city of Grozni and other cities because they protested. In Palestine, children are killed by IDF soldiers because of what their parents have done. Even in Northern Ireland, the IRA and British army/ SAS are still fighting each other. The West chooses to point out China because China is a threat to them.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@Noobssuckass300 In a way I agree with you, but I guess you misunderstood my point of view. I'm not talking about tibetans who live in China. I'm talking about "native" tibetans who live in Tibet. But I do have some things to point out related to what you said:
- The fact that Russia, for example, is more oppresive does not justify China being oppresive. If a student copies in a exam (just an example) he can't justify that by saying other student copied more questions. We can't compare countries
karlanickita 7 months ago
@karlanickita Also, it can be proven that Tibet was always a part of China. If you look at ancient European maps, going as far back as the Ming Dynasty, Mongolia and Tibet were a part of China. The territories that make up China were fragmented during the Warlord Era in the 1920s. Chiang Kai-Shek (Father of Taiwan), retook these territories in the Northern Expedition. After the Second Sino-Japanese War, and the Chinese Civil War, Mao Tse-Tung retook these territories once again.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@karlanickita The Tibetans initially welcomed the Chinese (Yes they did because the Chinese soldiers had helped them a little when the British tried to colonize Tibet as part of their sphere of influence) but things got violent. The Chinese sent the Dalai Lama the 17 point agreement. The Dalai Lama accepted it, except he wanted a few things changed which the CCP agreed to. However, a few Tibetans rioted and the CCP overreacted and killed a lot of people. That's why the Tibetans are upset now.
Noobssuckass300 7 months ago
@chopper0 It wasn't even from the Chinese side that found out about USA training rebels. It was actually from the americans themselves. Isn't it ironic? It is known to people that the Dalai Lama IS being paid by USA. It is also known that USA trained Tibetan rebels in california in 1959. Most of my information is not even from the Chinese side. I'm smart enough to look at both sides, then look for more info. Unlike you, who will blindly jump on the bandwagon.
SHUTUPNOOB654 11 months ago
@chopper0 And how many Tibetans do you know? Care about what people in Tibet think? you don't even know a Tibetan. And the one sided story? what about the one from your government? What evidence? there is alot of evidence of Tibetans brutally killing their own people before reunification, and of Tibetans killing Chinese. Like the violent protest in 2008. Look at it, son. 700 years ago, Tibet's part of Yuan China. Then after that, Ming China, then Qing China. Then the early republican era.
SHUTUPNOOB654 11 months ago
@chopper0 The only people who actually support ''free'' Tibet are blind westerners jumping on the bandwaggon of the US government, and supporters of the Dalai regime. Please don't think your country is all that good all the time, they are in a cold war with China using Tibet as a weapon. In 1959, a small group of Tibetan rebels attacked Tibet, and they were funded by the CIA. Even today, the Dalai Lama is being paid by the CIA to overthrow China in Tibet.
SHUTUPNOOB654 11 months ago
@chopper0 Tibet was reunified in 1950, and brought an end to the Dalai's 2 decade tyrant rule. In the Dalai Lama's reign, Tibetans didn't have heealth care, the life expectancy was under 30, over 95% of the entire population in Tibet were peasant slaves to the aristocracy. The dalai lama himself had over 3000 personal slaves. He even got arms and legs as sacrificial offerings on his birthday. If you think living in feudal Tibet is a good thing, I laugh at you. You probably wouldn't survive 1 yr
SHUTUPNOOB654 11 months ago
@chopper0 Omfg. Westerners like you are so ignorant. You don't know SHIT about Tibetan history. How many Tibetans do you know? USA's government is making up Tibetan problems as a cold war tactic to attack China. Learn your fucking history. In the 19th century, Tibet had already been part of China for 600 years. in the 20th century, the last Chinese dynasty fell and Tibet claimed independence, and all of China was separated by over 30 warlords. Tibet was then reunified in 1950.
SHUTUPNOOB654 11 months ago
Free Tibet,Boycott totalitarian states,boycott slavery,boycott China.
swordofpakistan 1 year ago
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China developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .labors are prisoners without salary..that's why Chinese product are cheap in today's market
thief market. Boycott made in China.
TheThongnagawa 1 year ago 3
China developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .labors are prisoners without salary..that's why Chinese product are cheap in today's market
thief market. Boycott made in China.
TheThongnagawa 1 year ago 6
China s developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .labors are prisoners without salary..that's why Chinese product are cheap in today's market
thief market. Boycott made in China.
TheThongnagawa 1 year ago 2
China s developing Tibet because of there own benefit..there call it development but for reality there are destroying Tibetan environment and culture.
Tibet is beautiful without fancy car,and skyscraper with blue and pure sky,
Now China turn beauty into ugly and Tibetan people are not happy too.
China economic is booming,because all minerals are from Tibet .Labors
TheThongnagawa 1 year ago 2
feel sorry for chinese government. if they try to modernize the region, the tibetans are going to complain their traditional cultures are being destroied. if chinese leaves it alone, tibetans are going to complain it is economic neglect. the best solution is probably exterminate all the tibetans to eliminate the nagging complainers
eastern2western 1 year ago
@eastern2western How about give them their country back, and let them sort it out on their own?
jackrowet1234 1 year ago 2
@jackrowet1234 if you actually look at the governing officials of tar, they are tibetants of the communist party. the issue of independence of autonomy is something the dalai and ccp have to work with.
eastern2western 1 year ago
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communismkills1 1 year ago
i dont get it the whole purpose of free tibet, tibet to china is like california to us, tibet is PART of china if not then its PART of chinese's map.
jeffrey71028 1 year ago
Religions dividing people; Tibet is going to prosper;
powerofthroughts 1 year ago
@powerofthroughts Religion dividing peoples that is ur chinese(Maos) thought.We don't need to think that way.Tibet is a budhist nation and peoples of Tibet will think that waynot like communist.
tadorjee 1 year ago
How come WHITES from industrialized countries HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY to ride a jet and ogle at THEIR IMAGINED world of Tibet and Nepal of the "simple natives" "living a simple life"..... shouldn't the Tibetan and Nepalese peoples be allowed to industrialize their worlds so that they too can ride a jet and ogle at the WHITES and their EXISTING industrialized lands?
lukebccb 1 year ago
CHINA LIES TIBET DIES... LONG LIVE DALAI LAMA.... UNO WE WANT JUSTICE... STOP KILLING IN TIBET.... FREE TIBET... FREE TURKISTAN... FUCK ALL CHINESE... KILL ALL CHINESE...
freetibetttt 1 year ago
Tibetans DON'T want to ride donkeys anymore. Period.
KaraKhitan 1 year ago
Tibet is an INVADED and OCCUPIED country.
Some of the countries and places who have recognised Tibet as a COUNTRY and when include
China (821/823, 1890, 1908, 1914, 1918, 1951)
Ladakh (1684, 1842) Kashmir (1852)
Nepal (1856)
Great Britain (1890, 1904, 1908, 1914)
Mongolia (1913)
please go to
tibetjustice. org/materials/treaties/index.html (remove spaces)
and see the treaties
ChinaKillsTibetans 1 year ago
@ChinaKillsTibetans: funny you include Kashmir in that list......
Shouldn't you also have a moniker on youtube named "IndiakillsKasmiris" too?
lukebccb 1 year ago
@lukebccb India is not communist like China.Indian govt is inviting every party in kashmir on dialogue table but communist believe in massacre and torture.Dalai lama has given mximum concesion to china for a successful talk under chinese constitution but communist govt never took seriously.They themself never respect chinese law.
tadorjee 1 year ago
Tibet is not apart of China never has been.
Fiorwestcoast 2 years ago
@Fiorwestcoast: if a Tibetan states that I can give credence of that statement but being you're a WHITE person posting from the USofA and couldn't even pick out Guyana or New Guinea or Andorra on the global map, let alone Tibet or Nepal, and YOU haven't the slightest hint of East Asian history......... YOUR WORDS HAVE NO MEANING.
lukebccb 1 year ago
I want to ask... If tibetans can have self determination
why cant the native americans, australian aborigines, new zealand maoris? And ALL other COLONISED races by WHITE PEOPLE.
O yea thats right, White people think they are sooooooooooo superior that white people do not have to abide by the same standards THEY set for non white people
PRCForever 2 years ago
@PRCForever because most white people are done oppressing, and those that are still, get told off. China is still shooting and castrating, and stopping people form speaking tibetan.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
Tibet R.I.P.
I welcome my new landlord China
virtuous8 2 years ago
Free Tibet... It gives me the impression that they are more interested in seeing a nomadic Tibet like they see safari in Africa than serving Tibetan's real interest.
excelpp 2 years ago 2
I mst ask 888reventon, once the Dalai Lama dies who will you choose to become the new bad guy? You MUST have a bad guy, otherwise you are forced to deal with the wish for self rule by Tibetans and nothing else.
sohei75 2 years ago 2
whatever way you and your ilk behind the scene will carry out the so called "the wish for self rule by the tibetans", we chinese will certainly deal with it accordingly and decisively.
amorolic 2 years ago
First of all amorolic, your profile says you are in America. If you are going to threaten other Americans while living in america, why don't you be a man and post your info instead of hiding behind a computer screen throwing out childish threats?? Go find your local Tibetan community and tell them how big and bad China is to their faces! I would love to see that.
sohei75 2 years ago
Because I'm in this country on a exchange programme which will end very soon. and I use this youtube account which I signed up when I was in this country. I don't look at those
tibetan community as genuinely tibetan, actually they are paid by their maters behind the scene, in other ways, we don't give a shit about what a puppet got to say..
amorolic 2 years ago
And from what do you base this opinion of the Tibetan exile commmunity? Have you spent allot of time around them, listening to them and getting to know them, THNE coming to your conclusion?? Or do you listen to what your government tells you and accept it blindly?? By the way, for much of this summer if you had not been in the U.S. you would not have been able to use this website because of the fear and paranoia of your government.
sohei75 2 years ago
@sohei75 once the dalai lama is reborn, tibetan won't really give a shit about it anymore. their primary problem is inequality and china will simply just have to address that issue, it is as simple as that. the US civil right movement isn't about black american wanting to establish a "black america", they just want equality.
lagrangewei 1 year ago
Free Tibet from the chinese brutality and tortures!!!!!
Long live the Dalai Lama a man who has always been in favour of peace!
siver7272 2 years ago
People like 888reventon amaze me. They have never been to Tibet, probably don't know any Tibetans. Yet they develop strong opinions on this situation based on what the Chinese government, which openly has a propoganda wing, has to say on the matter. And if people like 888 are cornered on this they resort to attacking the Tibets that escape. Their MUST be something wrong with them! They are elites...they are disgruntled...they just don't appreciate the peoples paradise! What fair, reasoned minds
sohei75 2 years ago
sohei75
Another tibetan fanatical fundamentalist religious extremist. You guys hover around anything tibet related like flies to shit!!
888reventon 2 years ago
Funny how you label anyone who supports Tibetan independance as an extremist. Do you also feel this way about Mongolians? Or did Stalin change your opinion as he did Mao's?
sohei75 2 years ago
Same can be said about you fanatical free tibet sheeple. Anyone who doesn't kiss the dalai lama's ass and support these former slave owner must be a brainwashed ccp agent right? All saints need to be guilty until proven innocent!
888reventon 2 years ago
" All saints need to be guilty until proven innocent! " Spoken like a true athiest commie that neither understands nor respects the widely held beliefs of the people he claims are being "liberated". You, a non Tibetan, feel it is your place to tell the Tibetan people what to believe and how to believe it! You are no better than the European colonizers of China.
sohei75 2 years ago
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Ganeschar 2 years ago
Tibetans and Uyghurs riot because they have grievances they feel are not being addressed by any legitimate means. not because they are instructed to by His Holiness The Dalai Lama or Kadeer.
dorje168 2 years ago
Too many tibetan propagandist on youtube. Trying to sugar coat everything their movement does even when their rioter kill innocent civilians and saying its not that bad!!! The world has seen with its eyes that tibetans are just religious fanatics killing and then justifying it in the name of religion
888reventon 2 years ago
Really? It has been widely reported that the CCP has online propoganda offices with armies of agents all over the internet. Would they ignore youtube? I doubt that.
sohei75 2 years ago
What the hell does my comment have to do with yours. See what I mean by tibetan exiles sugar coating everything and then avoiding the hard facts. What about the innocent deaths caused by your fanatical religious fundamentalist???????? How do you explain that?
888reventon 2 years ago
We Tibetans don't owe you an explanation. And my family were Nomads before you jump to conclusions. The hard facts are that Tibet wasn't perfect prior to the invasion but we were free and not controlled by the Chinese. That's a fact. If I'm wrong then the Chinese are the ones responsible for the theocracy in Tibet. Sorry, you can't have it both ways. Note: slavery in China was prevalent in 1949, never slavery in Tibet, never a famine until the Chinese invaded.
iamlumin 2 years ago
@iamlumin
excellent comment thank you.
FREE Tibet and China
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
dorje168
He is a tibetan fanatic, fundamentalist, and a fraud agent for propaganda purposes.
888reventon 2 years ago
A growing numbers of middle-class Chinese are turning to Tibetan Buddhism, driven by the perception of a spiritual vacuum in society and aided by the voluminous information available on the Internet. Communist Party officials and celebrities alike have embraced Tibetan Buddhism, despite having to worship at home, meet their lamas at night and run the risk of attending officially unauthorized events
dorje168 2 years ago
Religious force has never been a dominant force in the history of China. Chinese people are realistic people. They want to live a good life now not after their death. Religion offers an after life. That is because everyone in the deepest of his heart is scared of death. Religion teaches you how to overcome death. Tibetans worry more about their after life than their current life. That is the difference
xxu0901 2 years ago
You don't seem to know allot about Tibetan Buddhism.
sohei75 2 years ago
CCP is used to lie..y to give shytt.. its well known worldwide. Most pro CCP Chinese have never seen the true face of their govt.
Once, CCP took shitt out of one of their family. then those brainwashed chinese will know WHAT HUMANRIGHTS MEANS?
"A lie repeated hundred times becomes Truth"
this was told by none other than ur so called Mao Donk. oops zedong. FREE TIBET
Longlive the king of Peace(HH the Dalai Lama)
loveudrogba 2 years ago
Mao put it his own way: A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth' that's where goldenkey007 got his education from... and so many of his friends including chinesefart aka chineseheart, un992 and many other pro chinese communist who get paid 1 yuan an hr to put these comments on tibet videos... all they have to do is copy and paste... sad...
TravelBetter 2 years ago
CCP are Disgusting occupiers - that should be aknowledged -- Tibet is not China so stuff what CCP bandits want FREE TIBET CCP OUT -It is not terrorism to support Tibet -- Its justice against CCP
DrPork4freedom 2 years ago
drpigshit
you are just have a dumb retarded cult mentality.
in your eyes this criminal which you call hh is the best god in the world. how can this be ??
just in the last 50 years why have you tbegs have gotten the reputation of beggar, liar, useless animals ??
why ??
why can not you people work like any other people ??
look at yourself in the mirror
do you ever tell the truth ??
do you ever had an honest job ??
have you contributed to mankind ?/
goldenkey007 2 years ago
You are contributing to Chinese kind by using language of stupidity rather than making logical arguments.
stopKillingInTibet 2 years ago
do you just not understand that the west doesnt give a shit about tibet
they use "free tibet" to demonize China their political and economical enemy
You really are a victim of your country's propaganda. I know from personal experience that most Tibetans are in fact doing well. And that after the invasion of Tibet, the Chinese have built schools, roads, and hospitals in Tibet and established a strong government
paydafee 2 years ago
Who is telling you that the west cares about Tibet? You have problem with the West you deal with it. We Tibetans have nothing to do with it. We are fighting for our own cause. Vast majority of Tibetans are still living in poverty. Tibetans are discriminated because they are not Chinese.
stopKillingInTibet 2 years ago
@paydafee
If Tibetans were doing well they would be heading back to Tibet, not trying to escape from Tibet
FalunGongIsAmazing 8 months ago
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dorje168 2 years ago
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all Americans western people have no right to say the word "HUMAN RIGHT" because look at URSELF. what did u do to the native americans?? black Americans ?? indians?? Vietnamese?? Koreans?? Chinese?? Japanese?? yeayea, u r not doing it now? then what r u doing in Iraq? bombing their city and killed millions, u call those HUMAN RIGHT??
youming93 2 years ago
the west is jealous of China, China deserves all the land they need after all they noe wht it feels like to be under occupation by bloody kweilo.
theunderground777 2 years ago
How about what we Tibetans deserve? Our country back, our freedom to practice our religion, our very way of life, our culture. Access to our land, our resources, ability to benefit from our spiritual heritage and the great depth of Tibetan culture.
iamlumin 2 years ago 5
What about what the natives in the west want, the haiwaiians, the aboriginals, the palestinians. Tibet is not the only issure in this world. And if one really wanted to support a critical urgent issue, tibet is probably the least important of all, just as the palestinians?
888reventon 2 years ago
What about them? If they have a desire they are free to pursue it. Your approach seems to be that because one group did it then it's okay for another group to do it. So humanity shouldn't evolve from your perspective? They should continue to commit the same atrocities again, again, and again. Tibet is vitally important. What the Chinese are doing in Tibet, indeed, to Tibet will have tragic consequences for the entire planet.
iamlumin 2 years ago 3
and yes sadly u dont understand the same happening with the tibetans..let alone tibetans u kill ur own people so what can i say.....come out of china and then see the world.....and u will know where u stand..and any ways i dont hate u for beating and killing my people...my god bless u....
karma10pa 2 years ago
Wow, thats logic for you. China has known occupation so that gives you the right to occupy others? Do chinese not have the capacity to learn from their own experiences??
sohei75 2 years ago
You guys are argueing too much.
India has 2/3 of tibet land. go get those land back.
router01234567 2 years ago 2
India does not kill Tibetans, outlaw their culture, and call HH Dalai Lama a devil. China does this.
blackdemonllama 2 years ago
Hmm but they have gone to war! There was a border conflict about 40 years ago.
nicck 2 years ago
ok if chinese goverment block every one from entering tibet than how u guys get these video about the life of tibetans? will it could be either that u guys faked the video or u guys lying that chinese goverment blocked people from entering tibet, who says the monk need no money to survive? don't they eat, need shelter, and buying these religious item for their budda god?
purelego 2 years ago
you can't block every milimetre, China faked alot but we search for truth, thats the different.
You have lost your moral, integrity and moral!
Ganeschar 2 years ago
i didn't say anything about things taht china faked or trying to block the truce... i am just suspicious and asked some questions...
purelego 2 years ago
All you exiles do is try to destabilize china/tibet by getting your small group of separist to promote propaganda inside and outside of china. Theocratic rules is over, live with it!!!
888reventon 2 years ago
Yes, oppression, torture, murder, constant surveillance, genocide through assimilation are now the prevalent approaches employed by the Chinese.
iamlumin 2 years ago 4
Destabilize? That's funny. The propaganda that Tibet is part of China and has always been is entirely fictional and that's why it's vulnerable to destabilization in the first place. Agree with how we lived or not we really don't care. It' s our country, we Tibetans are not Chinese, never were and never will be.
iamlumin 2 years ago 8
@iamlumin It can be proven that Tibet was always a part of China. If you look at ancient European maps, going as far back as the Min