The 440 actually had several advantages overthe hemi. Both Magnum and 6 back had more low-end torque despite being rated at the same 490. The 440 also got it's torque much lower end.
the 440 has more torque than the 426, but the 426 has alot more top end. 1/8th mile..yeah 440 gets it, but 1/4 mile, and the hemi will get it on the top end.
sounds lick some peple need to read up a bit . A stock hemi could outrun a stock 440. Not easily by no means. Nevertheless the Hemi would come out on top.
a stock 440-6 could outrun a stock 426 hemi. my dad has a 1970 challenger 727 auto, 4 barrel but had a lil cam and bigger carb with 3.91, and he raced a 1970 charger 426 hemi 4 spd with 4.10 gears and my dad beat him at the mopar nats and other various events
i know im going to get heat on this but auto is beter for racing i all so had to mopars a 69 supper bee 440 six pak and a demon with a 440 that i turnd in to a six pak and i miss them both but the auto super be was faster buy a half a car . and my budy how as mustang wood has a auto that is faster thin his stik i allso see auto's on the steet that kiil the 4 and 5 speeds u have to start in a low gear starting in drive is just going to get u killd at the light or trak hp helps
The hemi was not a drag machine...however...given enough "road", it could roast the nuts off anything out there are the time...and most of the crap that is out there now!
What people don't realize is that an appropriately sized and tuned single 4bbl will produce more horsepower than a 6 Pack setup. The 440-4 carb was marginal from the factory and one of the first things Mopar suggested in the Racing Bulletin back then was to install a larger single 4bbl carb. A 440-6 would holeshot a Hemi but by the 1/8 mile the Hemi would walk it down.
While on the road in the Sixties I bought a new 1967 Dodge R/T convertible with 440 cubes & 4 barrel Holley carb & automatic. As stated below it blew the doors off any hemi till about 70 or 80 and then I got left behind - running 3.91 posi gears I had installed by a dealer - so when I was running out of air @ 5,200 RPM the hemi was just getting wound up.
Just a basic observation, but I noticed the green charger (440) was quicker off the line, but the silver charger (HEMI) overtook the green charger soon after.
So is it safe to say that the 440 is renowned for monsterous torque while the HEMI gives top end HP like no other?
Can anyone tell me how to get better mileage? 67' Charger Automatic,440 magnum, cam, with 750 holley double pump, 390 rear end. I get about 10. When I am 110 and over, the mileage goes down even further. Mileage really sucks over 120, but holds the road nice. I think only about 5 miles per gallon then. The gas is about 2.99 for premium and it is killing me. I do like the old car though, so I guess, I am not going to trade it as a clunker.
If you wanted to get rid of it I would HIGHLY suggest you SELL it and NOT do the cash for clunkers cause they crush those cars. as for mileage you could go with a different gear ratio in the rear end...but its a 440...its gonna use gas. My little ole 318 in my 85 Ramcharger is getting about 8-10 but thats because the mixture is WAY out of wack.
... I am speechless ... You want better mileage get another car! You shouldnt be driving that on a daily bases anyway! That is a Sunday bruiser not a daily cruiser!
Racing Fact: If you have a larger displacement, select a road that is uphill the last half. All things nearly equal, you will win. Opposite for smaller displacement. Automatic-vs-Standard; Racing manual transmissions (special synchronizers) will out perform automatics with skilled driver. Confuse and frustrate your competition before start. The Hemi has torque to pull on end of race. In this particluar case, nothing would help the 440. 3-2 440's have potential. Plan ahead. Sun-Tze
If the car has enough power to roast the tires then how would a converter help? A lower stall will actually be better in that case since it will help reduce wheelspin.
he said all things equal, and he said every time. XD we both know that's idiocy. in any case it won't matter what trans either car uses. any factory-spec trans (ex)change would not change the end result. the deciding factor is the 440's "small" port size. you'd rightly presume (unlike wiseoneetest ) that the 440 takes the low end and the hemi takes the top no matter what, long as the cars are factory-issue, the final drive ratios match, and the contest is long enough to let the hemi breathe.
Exactly! My 87 tercel with an I4 and a 4speed weighs about 1800lbs and has 70hp and 84lb/ft. However It will out run my 1985 Dodge Ramcharger that has a 318 with a 904 automatic 3spd. It weighs about 5000lbs and has ~180hp and ~210lb/ft. so YES! weight is a BIG factor.
Not when your talking about tuneing, which is what I was refering to. It is harder to tune the Hemi then the 440. And it was the 440 6pack that had the same 0-60 time. But once you put a single 4 barrel carb on the Hemi it was much faster and easier to tune.
No, wasnt over carburetor'ed it was harder to keep the 2 carbs tuned and in sync so to speak. After a month or so you would need to re tune the carbs and the lifters if they were running a solid flat tappet.
I am a die hard Mopar guy but I am also a GM guy so I dont lie but in the end Mopar had more muscle cars and ultimately the faster of the two, and in my opinion better looking and all around car.
The thing about Hemi's are they make amazing amounts of power, more so then a 440. HOWEVER they are finicky and difficult to tune unless you are an expert at working with Hemi's.
In the end you will get more power out of the Hemi but the 440 is more reliable and you wont have to tune it all the time. Also a 426 Hemi and the 440 were rated well below what they made. My friend has a stock 426 Hemi in a 68 Dodge Charger, dyno readings were 565hp and 590 torque. He has also a 440 in a 71 Charger that dyno at 497hp and 524 torque.
Hemis are damn near the sam reliability. the 440 had faster 0-60 times then the hemi. but the hemi had quicker 1/4 mile times. 440 is the cheap mans hemi. hah hemis are just so unaffordable=/
It looked like to me the hemi took the lead towards the end of the video. Also the Hemi car was smoking some tires. But not bad i would have liked to seen an auto hemi vs a 4 speed 440.
@xtra1234 That was a while ago, but I seem to remember my friend letting off a bit in the 440/Auto toward the end. I was trying NOT to spin the tires during the launch or blow up a numbers-matching Hemi, so the Hemi definitely had more in her. A year later, the guy I sold it to broke the crank in half while playing. No worries though- no real damage to the block... YES, it would be interesting to see the other race..
@theicemanwillcometh have you droven a 440 6 pack compared to a 426 HEMI? the 440 may have the better acceleration to 100 or so but after that the HEMI kicks in and nothing stays with it.
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE I've never driven them side by side in a race but I've seen plenty of "six pack vs. hemi" ego races and most of the time the 440-6 seems to win. By the way, a ZL1 Corvette wasted anything MOPAR put out at the time. They were all great engines though, no doubt about that.
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE I hope you dont say that around ANYONE like me damn you sound stupid so well #1 your not going to any real event with this car not even a fair you tell em 3000 hp on a stock anything. You sound like a fool ever seen a 3000 hp machine? In real life I mean? Noone Invest's the kind of money your talking about and sticks with a stock crank either. Also a stock chrysler crank die's at about 1700 true HP. Go back to school and tell me more fuckin idiot
@CivilianSpaceAgency what the hell? are your some fed up ignorant asshole or just mad that your boyfriend broke up with you? ive seen cars with HP from 140hp to 7000hp, and the point of it being built to 3000HP on a stock crank was to prove to ford and chevy that the stock crank could take it and that the HEMIs were well built just stock, mr Norm was about proving things and he proved Mopar even better than it already was. and ill say it around you any day because your probably some skinny bitch
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE Sound's good but again dont beleive this idiot skinny bitch nah you must be confused. prove to chevy shit a stock chevy 283/327 crank will turn 10 to 12,000 rpm ALL DAY, Need i remind you the day of the 400 SB chevy unstoppable 1/8th run's, Ford's 460 CJ and / or the 351 Cleveland is nothing to snuff at either. I just wish I could A real Racer Ford 427 SOHC 4-speed against a 440 + 6 4-speed 1/4 mile run or On the roundy. Mr norm LOL Where was he when Nascar got the first 426?
@CivilianSpaceAgency Mr.Norm didnt do much nascar wise did he now? and what about nascar and the 426? the first car to hit 200mph. and yes i know all of those engines and you still have the mopar 340 that is damn fast in the quarter for being so small compared to other engines.
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE The 340 "Detuned" with 360 P.I. head's with the SIX pack Equip. to go is choice amoungst most small block's. Another note It was a 2 ton Car in nascar going 200 mph and it still had power he had to let off of it many time's and get used to the extra power, It was SO bad that in ANY given race it was put under it would consistently Lap ALL other car's many times not just once or twice 10 or more times on many occassions Norm who stormin norman??
@CivilianSpaceAgency i know how well the 426 did in nascar, and it was done by Mopar so why now are you all gun ho about mopar when just 2 comments ago you were all against mopar? and not stormin norman. MR.NORM.
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE Gun ho about mopar I own a 72 sebring satelite 400 2 bbl and a 71 GTX 440+6 4 speed wish I had the deana 60 and Not the 8 3/4 though. All i said is a hemi wont do a dog's dick under 100mph it needs lots of wind and even more track. Also the great hemi is deceased he died in 2000 when we got these "new hemis" there a quench head not a "true hemisphereical chamber" and these new hemis are junk.
@CivilianSpaceAgency yeah i know the new hemis arent good, and you dont need much track to get a HEMI above 100, hell my fathers old coronet with just a 383 got up to 130 without hesitation!
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE LOL again your not gettin it son. A hemi wont take a 440 + 6 in a 1/8th a 1/4 or even a mile. In the same car with same conditions. Its a proven fact the "stock" hemi is a pooch under 100 mph. Small block's turn harder faster because there is less "junk" to turn. and your dead wrong a hemi is needs lots of runway before takeoff. Also 130 without hesitation LOL you act like these are rockets' its a 2 1/2 ton car id guess the cornet at a 14.5 second 1/4 mile nothing fast at all
@CivilianSpaceAgency I have an old 392 HEMI, and a New Hemi 5.7, The new ones are not a quench head, they are a true hemispherical head. The valves are not inline like a quench head, they are set up just like the old hemi's. But there is a difference, the valve angles are not quite as steep to put the plug right in between the valves, but they are close enough with the 2 plugs It is not much of a difference. I think this was done to make the rocker/pushrod geometry a little more manageable.
@CivilianSpaceAgency I still love the old mopars, Had a 68 Fury III with a 440, a Polara with a 383 and a 70 roadrunner with the 383 as well. The good old 383 could rev to the moon. Good old cars, though I'm not going complain about my new hemi, it works pretty damn good too.
@MidnightinSavannah they didn't. You're right. the 440 in 66 was only a 4 bbl and was only available in the Full Size Plymouth's, Dodge's and Chrysler's with 350hp. In 67, the Charger and GTX got the Magnum 375hp 4bbl. In 69 1/2, the Road Runner and Coronet Super Bee got the 390hp 440-6. And the Charger, Coronet R/T, GTX, Cuda and Challenger R/T got the 440-6 in 1970.
@theicemanwillcometh first of all, you couldn't even get the 440 in the Charger until 67, 66's were 318 poly, 383 and 426 Hemi. And second, the 6 pack didn't come in the Charger until 1970. the 69 1/2 440-6 was only available in the Coronet Super Bee and the Road Runner
@FirebirdCamaro1220 Yes, you are definitely right. What I should have said was "if it were a later Mopar with the 440-6, the 440-6 would have dominated."
@theicemanwillcometh you are wrong. If whoever was driving the Hemi knew what they were doing, it would be the winner, but if you put a "greenie" in a car with a massive motor, a seasoned racer could beat them with a 6 banger.
@theicemanwillcometh I'm pretty damn sure there wasnt a 440 six pack in roadrunners in 68. i hope im commenting the right guy. but the 68 road runner came with 2 engine choices. 383 and hemi. i promise i am right
The silver one smoked the tires while the green one got a better bite. Might have been a better run if the silver one hadn't smoked the tires off the line.
@moparenthusiastic I suppose the Hemi, having smaller displacement per cylinder, has a torque band that reaches higher into the rpms than the 440 does.
@wkLeoTrooper Quite true my friend, also the geometry of the hemi design of the valvetrain is Far superior for RPM's. Nothing can catch a 426 hemi on in the higher rpm band 6 to 12,000 rpm monster. All the "original goodfellas" were made in chrysler Laboratory's by "surgeon's". You would be amazed at watching men in hazmat looking biosuit's in Vacum sealed room's make these engine's For nascar. But they are priceless artifact's now an untouched org. 426 LOL nah too many shadetree mechanic's
@moparenthusiastic Hemi's my friend wont do a dog's dick until it get's out on a flat run on long open stretch's the hemi design shine's. Hemi's are not low end, you must be confused the 440 + 6 or even the HP will outdo ANY "stock hemi of era"
in the 1/8th and the 1/4. The "strange" thing the hemi does is in the design of the hemispherical combustion chamber. The legend was Born in 1964 go look in the Nascar Record book's, and the records still holding strong if I may add. Long Live the KING
Now that I think of it, the Silver '66 Hemi Charger you saw was probably "Hemi Gil's" out of Fremont. He's had it a long time and frequents most Mopar shows.
Note: I meant Hard-Cover books. Not hard back in the message above.
gotta love thsoe 426 hemis... but i give alot of credit to those 440's to. let's face it! the 440 is far better for everyday cruising than the hemi. and with the 490ft-lbs of that big 440 its also very very powerful! i like as much a 1970 375hp 440 as i like the 426 hemi..
i miss muscle cars, id wish they come back, carbs and all....stupid arnold swartsnegger and his california emmissions laws. if i could run him over in a 70 cuda ARR i would
for anyone thinking of a new transmission please keep this in mind keisler tremec= pure sh*t. I bought a tko 600 from them a has been a nightmare from hell. keisler motto is runaround with no reacharound. this trans. is noisy as a whisle and shifts like a dump truck. these mf at keisler deserve a beat down. I know i sound mad- but try taking out the trans and mailing it back to them and then hearing them say, this is normal sloppy a*s characteristics. keisler fu fu fu f off.
A very well tuned street hemi would do around 600 hp. A full race hemi would do as much as your wallet could stand.....and yes the hemi just like most other muscle cars were under rated for insurance reasons.
as much as i'd love to have a 600hp engine, im quite happy with my $800 a year insurance (and this is the first year i've had my license haha) but props to the people making enough money to have that size car and the insurance to go with it
saw that episode- what a good one. and yea, the 426 hemi did make 820 hp. i guess the spec sheets that the cars came with were a typo lol (think the factory rated them at 425?)
You can have all the horsepower in the world, and it won't mean a damn unless you have the proper traction to suit it. Hence why the older cars can be more powerful, but not as fast as newer ones. Give them more traction, and they'll whip the floor with pretty much anything modern you can throw at them.
no it wasn't i know for a fact it was 800 somthing horse power it was rated at 425 because of insurence reasons when the motor first came out not the new ones the race only dodge hemi do your research
The race only hemis were illegal to sell on a street car. Doubtless, some were put on the street anyways, but the race hemis were not under rated, only the street versions.
Bah, big blocks get great mileage. I have a 440 powered 68 Chrysler 300 Hardtop and I get 13-14mpg. If you figure that its a 7.2L and most cars today are 2.0L engines it actually gets better mileage per liter than most cars of today. I dont see many 2.0L cars getting the 46.8mpg that 13 per a 7.2 would equate to. Gimme my cubes.
The chief problem with Street Hemi equipped cars in the '60s was the owner. Most guys did not know how to properly tune one, ie adjust valves correctly, carb tuning etc, and they could be a real slug if not tuned correctly. They tended to be a bit lazy out of the chute and not well tuned, you might find yourself getting torched by lighter smallblock equipped car.
Maybe you were seeing a Super Stock Hemi (a race engine for the Super Stock class), which would be around 800. Factory rating for the 426 street Hemi is 425 horses. With a detailed rebuild using stock specs and stock cam, it will make about 465 at the flywheel.
as CutlassS500 said there's no such thing as a 440 Hemi. The largest Hemi was a 426 if I recall. The 440 was a Magnum engine, and that was capable of putting down some power. Just google the 440 Six-Pack.
thos 66 hemi charger in my book are work alot but really you only ever see them go for around 60 grand-70 tops... cheap compared to a 71 hemi cuda.....
Sorry, but the Hemi has already been sold... As for the Green 493 Stroker, it's not really for sale, but EVERYTHING'S for sale for the right price.
Sorry for the late replies... I've been in & out of the hospital lately- I'll update with some pics & details in the next couple of days. PS- I STILL have sellers remorse of the Hemi... I was the 3rd owner and it was completely original numbers matching- engine, trans, intake, heads, carbs EVERYTHING!
that sucks..what are u in the hospital for..whiplash from the 440..lol..theyll do it tho...im sure u found out..i wouldnt sell the one u got..not for the right price..the value of cars from the muscle era is skyrocketing..wait about 5 years..you could get probally 100k from a car like that right about now
Hey 493Stroker- more details you lucky dog! Tell a little more about each car and setup. And would love to see some up close idling video of those two.
a bit faster? at the top end that silver car made a move that kinda looked like the green 1 had broke! 3rd gear looked like a blast. and 1st oughta just be called sit n spin:)
well at least someone knows, a 440six pack is just as good as an elephant hemi, coupled with the right tranny, a good car, and a correct driver, a 440 could stomp a hemi for half the price
That's one of the reasons guy like 4 speeds so much for street racing. Much more control when launching them off the line.
71meepmeep 1 month ago
Now that is talent, driving both cars simultaneously while also filming.
elebeu 2 months ago 2
The 440 actually had several advantages overthe hemi. Both Magnum and 6 back had more low-end torque despite being rated at the same 490. The 440 also got it's torque much lower end.
SecularTechnology 3 months ago
how the hell did u race two cars at once??
ibikesoarrestme 6 months ago
@ibikesoarrestme maybe he got a friend to drive the other one??
mattj3113 6 months ago
@mattj3113 well then he isnt racing both then now is he??
ibikesoarrestme 6 months ago
@ibikesoarrestme i would imagine not .... stupid fucking comment how old are you?
mattj3113 6 months ago
the 440 has more torque than the 426, but the 426 has alot more top end. 1/8th mile..yeah 440 gets it, but 1/4 mile, and the hemi will get it on the top end.
blackwar12 6 months ago
sounds lick some peple need to read up a bit . A stock hemi could outrun a stock 440. Not easily by no means. Nevertheless the Hemi would come out on top.
megawelderguy 6 months ago
a stock 440-6 could outrun a stock 426 hemi. my dad has a 1970 challenger 727 auto, 4 barrel but had a lil cam and bigger carb with 3.91, and he raced a 1970 charger 426 hemi 4 spd with 4.10 gears and my dad beat him at the mopar nats and other various events
jjawesome3 6 months ago
looks like livermore, CA to me.if so i have made a few runs down that road too.
westcoastfisherman86 7 months ago
theres not much difference plus everyone pretty much knows the 727 is a tranny to be reckoned with unless your you know ronnie sox
gunny426plymouth 8 months ago
i know im going to get heat on this but auto is beter for racing i all so had to mopars a 69 supper bee 440 six pak and a demon with a 440 that i turnd in to a six pak and i miss them both but the auto super be was faster buy a half a car . and my budy how as mustang wood has a auto that is faster thin his stik i allso see auto's on the steet that kiil the 4 and 5 speeds u have to start in a low gear starting in drive is just going to get u killd at the light or trak hp helps
750thegsxr 9 months ago
I'm guessing the silver is the hemi 4spd cause it roasted the tires and still was running down the 440?
ChallengerGuy22 9 months ago
And all this makes me wonder -- what the hell does this guy do for a living? Because I want in on it! lol
JarrodES13 10 months ago 5
That sure likes a fully sanctioned race track...just like the ones I used to use.
spahjrp 1 year ago
The hemi was not a drag machine...however...given enough "road", it could roast the nuts off anything out there are the time...and most of the crap that is out there now!
spahjrp 1 year ago
youtube...How to power shift a hemi car...
plum360415 1 year ago
Only thing with a manual is that there is always a delay. But you can shift manually to 1 through 5/6 with a auto
mike360k 1 year ago
i would always prefer manual.great cars!
GIwillo 1 year ago
They say for mopar races, the automatic is always faster than the stick.
Apollo355 1 year ago
What people don't realize is that an appropriately sized and tuned single 4bbl will produce more horsepower than a 6 Pack setup. The 440-4 carb was marginal from the factory and one of the first things Mopar suggested in the Racing Bulletin back then was to install a larger single 4bbl carb. A 440-6 would holeshot a Hemi but by the 1/8 mile the Hemi would walk it down.
DONDIVA1969 1 year ago
notice the hemi just melted the tires.... gotta love the hemi's massive torque
SS350silverado 1 year ago
That Hemi caught up and passed him towards the end. It always happens like that.
Boredout454 1 year ago
Hemis are more garbage than the 440 anyways.
420witchdoctor 1 year ago
While on the road in the Sixties I bought a new 1967 Dodge R/T convertible with 440 cubes & 4 barrel Holley carb & automatic. As stated below it blew the doors off any hemi till about 70 or 80 and then I got left behind - running 3.91 posi gears I had installed by a dealer - so when I was running out of air @ 5,200 RPM the hemi was just getting wound up.
HardRockLeadGuitar 1 year ago
ok what happened
connerconn 1 year ago
What about gear ratio? I bet a 440 with a 4.11 gear would beat a hemi with say a 3.55 gear evry time?
mercmarc 1 year ago
@mercmarc man tht guy i think is trying to prove something? wat an idiot
yokotakanoshi1 1 year ago
Hemi is obviously the silver car because it doesn't shine until it counts
F6HemiCharger 1 year ago
440 auto never had a chance against that hemi 4 speed
moparmaniac56 1 year ago
@moparmaniac56 The hemi lost both races
gcravillion 1 year ago
id say by the 3rd gear change he took the 440 back to school where he should be. let the big boys play
tr00967 2 years ago
I've got a 77 dodge van with a 400 in it built up a little it's my daily driver a real head turner
Moparmanrick77 2 years ago
Just a basic observation, but I noticed the green charger (440) was quicker off the line, but the silver charger (HEMI) overtook the green charger soon after.
So is it safe to say that the 440 is renowned for monsterous torque while the HEMI gives top end HP like no other?
firebat42 2 years ago
no. the hemi wins both categories. the 40 year old car couldnt hold on to the hemi's power and burned rubber off the line.
BumRapeHumor 2 years ago
Only joking..........who cares about mileage, as the car hauls...and looks good doing it.
drowsy4 2 years ago
Can anyone tell me how to get better mileage? 67' Charger Automatic,440 magnum, cam, with 750 holley double pump, 390 rear end. I get about 10. When I am 110 and over, the mileage goes down even further. Mileage really sucks over 120, but holds the road nice. I think only about 5 miles per gallon then. The gas is about 2.99 for premium and it is killing me. I do like the old car though, so I guess, I am not going to trade it as a clunker.
drowsy4 2 years ago
If you wanted to get rid of it I would HIGHLY suggest you SELL it and NOT do the cash for clunkers cause they crush those cars. as for mileage you could go with a different gear ratio in the rear end...but its a 440...its gonna use gas. My little ole 318 in my 85 Ramcharger is getting about 8-10 but thats because the mixture is WAY out of wack.
318Captain 2 years ago
... I am speechless ... You want better mileage get another car! You shouldnt be driving that on a daily bases anyway! That is a Sunday bruiser not a daily cruiser!
Albee213 2 years ago
id like to know how he raced them both at once? :)
jackomotoe 2 years ago
He probably let one of his trustworthy buddies drive one of them.
Beldar4214 2 years ago
I think the only way he raced them both at once was by creating a robot duplicate of himself to drive the second car. Tard.
Robert111 2 years ago
and the 3rd robot to record
VladBlok28 2 years ago
Racing Fact: If you have a larger displacement, select a road that is uphill the last half. All things nearly equal, you will win. Opposite for smaller displacement. Automatic-vs-Standard; Racing manual transmissions (special synchronizers) will out perform automatics with skilled driver. Confuse and frustrate your competition before start. The Hemi has torque to pull on end of race. In this particluar case, nothing would help the 440. 3-2 440's have potential. Plan ahead. Sun-Tze
HistoryKrell 2 years ago
all things equall the Automatic will beat the manual shift every time.....just the way it goes
wiseoneetest 2 years ago
off the line? IF you've a high stall converter, and only then.
uyesu 2 years ago
If the car has enough power to roast the tires then how would a converter help? A lower stall will actually be better in that case since it will help reduce wheelspin.
gtdrummerdude 2 years ago
he said all things equal, and he said every time. XD we both know that's idiocy. in any case it won't matter what trans either car uses. any factory-spec trans (ex)change would not change the end result. the deciding factor is the 440's "small" port size. you'd rightly presume (unlike wiseoneetest ) that the 440 takes the low end and the hemi takes the top no matter what, long as the cars are factory-issue, the final drive ratios match, and the contest is long enough to let the hemi breathe.
uyesu 2 years ago
Actually, there's no replacement for weight either. My stock (except for cam) 4-speed 340 Dart beats Hemi's every time.
aaardvarkkk 2 years ago
Exactly! My 87 tercel with an I4 and a 4speed weighs about 1800lbs and has 70hp and 84lb/ft. However It will out run my 1985 Dodge Ramcharger that has a 318 with a 904 automatic 3spd. It weighs about 5000lbs and has ~180hp and ~210lb/ft. so YES! weight is a BIG factor.
318Captain 2 years ago
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aaardvarkkk 2 years ago
theres no replacement for displacemet
schecterLTD58 2 years ago
426 obviously had traction problems off the line & did the 440 back off or did the 426 just suck him in there towards the end,
bretoff 2 years ago
nice video
MrChallenger426 2 years ago
Boy those big blocks sound good
bretoff 2 years ago 13
Anyways to get back to what I said, You can make more power with the Hemi's then the 440's but tuning is more difficult.
Boredout454 2 years ago
Not when your talking about tuneing, which is what I was refering to. It is harder to tune the Hemi then the 440. And it was the 440 6pack that had the same 0-60 time. But once you put a single 4 barrel carb on the Hemi it was much faster and easier to tune.
Boredout454 2 years ago
So are you saying with the dual quads the 426 hemi was 'over carbureted'?
bretoff 2 years ago
No, wasnt over carburetor'ed it was harder to keep the 2 carbs tuned and in sync so to speak. After a month or so you would need to re tune the carbs and the lifters if they were running a solid flat tappet.
Boredout454 2 years ago
I am a die hard Mopar guy but I am also a GM guy so I dont lie but in the end Mopar had more muscle cars and ultimately the faster of the two, and in my opinion better looking and all around car.
Boredout454 2 years ago
The thing about Hemi's are they make amazing amounts of power, more so then a 440. HOWEVER they are finicky and difficult to tune unless you are an expert at working with Hemi's.
Boredout454 2 years ago
In the end you will get more power out of the Hemi but the 440 is more reliable and you wont have to tune it all the time. Also a 426 Hemi and the 440 were rated well below what they made. My friend has a stock 426 Hemi in a 68 Dodge Charger, dyno readings were 565hp and 590 torque. He has also a 440 in a 71 Charger that dyno at 497hp and 524 torque.
Boredout454 2 years ago
Hemis are damn near the sam reliability. the 440 had faster 0-60 times then the hemi. but the hemi had quicker 1/4 mile times. 440 is the cheap mans hemi. hah hemis are just so unaffordable=/
ljdgm 2 years ago
is that in texas?
theonlyown05 2 years ago
the 440 was always a better drag engine then the hemi, well back in the day at least
mageac 2 years ago
the race was over when the hemi past the 440.....
drowsy4 3 years ago
If that 440 was a factory 440+6, I guarantee the outcome would be different.
theicemanwillcometh 3 years ago
Why? The 440 won in both races...
493Stroker 3 years ago 16
My bad. I thought it looked like the hemi pulled ahead towards the end. In that case, the race wouldn't have even been close if that was a 440+6!
theicemanwillcometh 3 years ago
@493Stroker
Ive drove a 67 426 Hemi 4-speed Charger...OEM car.... lots of tire spin out of the hole in a 4-sp car.....
plum360415 1 year ago
@493Stroker Do You try to tell me that 440 automatic is faster than Hemi 4-speed?? :0
Logik426 1 year ago
@493Stroker
It looked like to me the hemi took the lead towards the end of the video. Also the Hemi car was smoking some tires. But not bad i would have liked to seen an auto hemi vs a 4 speed 440.
xtra1234 5 months ago
@xtra1234 That was a while ago, but I seem to remember my friend letting off a bit in the 440/Auto toward the end. I was trying NOT to spin the tires during the launch or blow up a numbers-matching Hemi, so the Hemi definitely had more in her. A year later, the guy I sold it to broke the crank in half while playing. No worries though- no real damage to the block... YES, it would be interesting to see the other race..
493Stroker 5 months ago
@theicemanwillcometh have you droven a 440 6 pack compared to a 426 HEMI? the 440 may have the better acceleration to 100 or so but after that the HEMI kicks in and nothing stays with it.
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE I've never driven them side by side in a race but I've seen plenty of "six pack vs. hemi" ego races and most of the time the 440-6 seems to win. By the way, a ZL1 Corvette wasted anything MOPAR put out at the time. They were all great engines though, no doubt about that.
theicemanwillcometh 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh not anything, you got Mr.Norm who proved it was MOPAR OR NO CAR. cant argue with a 3000HP hemi in a 69 charger on a stock crank!
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE I hope you dont say that around ANYONE like me damn you sound stupid so well #1 your not going to any real event with this car not even a fair you tell em 3000 hp on a stock anything. You sound like a fool ever seen a 3000 hp machine? In real life I mean? Noone Invest's the kind of money your talking about and sticks with a stock crank either. Also a stock chrysler crank die's at about 1700 true HP. Go back to school and tell me more fuckin idiot
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency what the hell? are your some fed up ignorant asshole or just mad that your boyfriend broke up with you? ive seen cars with HP from 140hp to 7000hp, and the point of it being built to 3000HP on a stock crank was to prove to ford and chevy that the stock crank could take it and that the HEMIs were well built just stock, mr Norm was about proving things and he proved Mopar even better than it already was. and ill say it around you any day because your probably some skinny bitch
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE Sound's good but again dont beleive this idiot skinny bitch nah you must be confused. prove to chevy shit a stock chevy 283/327 crank will turn 10 to 12,000 rpm ALL DAY, Need i remind you the day of the 400 SB chevy unstoppable 1/8th run's, Ford's 460 CJ and / or the 351 Cleveland is nothing to snuff at either. I just wish I could A real Racer Ford 427 SOHC 4-speed against a 440 + 6 4-speed 1/4 mile run or On the roundy. Mr norm LOL Where was he when Nascar got the first 426?
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency Mr.Norm didnt do much nascar wise did he now? and what about nascar and the 426? the first car to hit 200mph. and yes i know all of those engines and you still have the mopar 340 that is damn fast in the quarter for being so small compared to other engines.
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE The 340 "Detuned" with 360 P.I. head's with the SIX pack Equip. to go is choice amoungst most small block's. Another note It was a 2 ton Car in nascar going 200 mph and it still had power he had to let off of it many time's and get used to the extra power, It was SO bad that in ANY given race it was put under it would consistently Lap ALL other car's many times not just once or twice 10 or more times on many occassions Norm who stormin norman??
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency i know how well the 426 did in nascar, and it was done by Mopar so why now are you all gun ho about mopar when just 2 comments ago you were all against mopar? and not stormin norman. MR.NORM.
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE Gun ho about mopar I own a 72 sebring satelite 400 2 bbl and a 71 GTX 440+6 4 speed wish I had the deana 60 and Not the 8 3/4 though. All i said is a hemi wont do a dog's dick under 100mph it needs lots of wind and even more track. Also the great hemi is deceased he died in 2000 when we got these "new hemis" there a quench head not a "true hemisphereical chamber" and these new hemis are junk.
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency yeah i know the new hemis arent good, and you dont need much track to get a HEMI above 100, hell my fathers old coronet with just a 383 got up to 130 without hesitation!
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@MrAMERICANxMUSCLE LOL again your not gettin it son. A hemi wont take a 440 + 6 in a 1/8th a 1/4 or even a mile. In the same car with same conditions. Its a proven fact the "stock" hemi is a pooch under 100 mph. Small block's turn harder faster because there is less "junk" to turn. and your dead wrong a hemi is needs lots of runway before takeoff. Also 130 without hesitation LOL you act like these are rockets' its a 2 1/2 ton car id guess the cornet at a 14.5 second 1/4 mile nothing fast at all
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency i know, i get it.
MrAMERICANxMUSCLE 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency umm the hemi cuda was only 3350 pounds no where near 5000lbs.
jingq2 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency I have an old 392 HEMI, and a New Hemi 5.7, The new ones are not a quench head, they are a true hemispherical head. The valves are not inline like a quench head, they are set up just like the old hemi's. But there is a difference, the valve angles are not quite as steep to put the plug right in between the valves, but they are close enough with the 2 plugs It is not much of a difference. I think this was done to make the rocker/pushrod geometry a little more manageable.
thudtheace 1 year ago
@CivilianSpaceAgency I still love the old mopars, Had a 68 Fury III with a 440, a Polara with a 383 and a 70 roadrunner with the 383 as well. The good old 383 could rev to the moon. Good old cars, though I'm not going complain about my new hemi, it works pretty damn good too.
Cheers!
thudtheace 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh I didn't think they made a 440 6 pac in 1966.
MidnightinSavannah 1 year ago
@MidnightinSavannah they didn't. You're right. the 440 in 66 was only a 4 bbl and was only available in the Full Size Plymouth's, Dodge's and Chrysler's with 350hp. In 67, the Charger and GTX got the Magnum 375hp 4bbl. In 69 1/2, the Road Runner and Coronet Super Bee got the 390hp 440-6. And the Charger, Coronet R/T, GTX, Cuda and Challenger R/T got the 440-6 in 1970.
FirebirdCamaro1220 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh first of all, you couldn't even get the 440 in the Charger until 67, 66's were 318 poly, 383 and 426 Hemi. And second, the 6 pack didn't come in the Charger until 1970. the 69 1/2 440-6 was only available in the Coronet Super Bee and the Road Runner
FirebirdCamaro1220 1 year ago
@FirebirdCamaro1220 Yes, you are definitely right. What I should have said was "if it were a later Mopar with the 440-6, the 440-6 would have dominated."
theicemanwillcometh 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh you are wrong. If whoever was driving the Hemi knew what they were doing, it would be the winner, but if you put a "greenie" in a car with a massive motor, a seasoned racer could beat them with a 6 banger.
shooteraod 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh
lol the factory 440+6 wasnt until 1969.....
plum360415 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh Possibly but the 6-pack wasn't an option until mid 69.
gein6 1 year ago
@theicemanwillcometh there was a 440 six pack in 66?
belvedere4forty 6 months ago
@belvedere4forty no it was a performace option for 68,mainly the roadrunner but it could be found in other cars too
MrNitro65 6 months ago
@theicemanwillcometh I'm pretty damn sure there wasnt a 440 six pack in roadrunners in 68. i hope im commenting the right guy. but the 68 road runner came with 2 engine choices. 383 and hemi. i promise i am right
belvedere4forty 6 months ago
@belvedere4forty yea it did 1968 Plymouth GTX i want a 68 gtx 440 has closed Chambers
solopixy0 1 month ago
seen it yesterday! lets chat
funny video lets chat gs
8Slim4 3 years ago
The silver one smoked the tires while the green one got a better bite. Might have been a better run if the silver one hadn't smoked the tires off the line.
Eddie1962150 3 years ago
the 440 is supposed to be able to keep up with the Hemi until about 50-70 and then the Hemi just leaves it like all hemi's do with mustangs
moparenthusiastic 3 years ago 15
that comment was meant for the older "real" hemi's right??? I know the new ones are real but they don't do a fraction of what the old ones could.
biddyhound 3 years ago
do you mean the 472 or 528
sirhc99999 3 years ago
true the new HEMIs are nothing like the old ones.
theDOWNHILL9 3 years ago
@moparenthusiastic I suppose the Hemi, having smaller displacement per cylinder, has a torque band that reaches higher into the rpms than the 440 does.
wkLeoTrooper 1 year ago
@wkLeoTrooper Quite true my friend, also the geometry of the hemi design of the valvetrain is Far superior for RPM's. Nothing can catch a 426 hemi on in the higher rpm band 6 to 12,000 rpm monster. All the "original goodfellas" were made in chrysler Laboratory's by "surgeon's". You would be amazed at watching men in hazmat looking biosuit's in Vacum sealed room's make these engine's For nascar. But they are priceless artifact's now an untouched org. 426 LOL nah too many shadetree mechanic's
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
@moparenthusiastic Hemi's my friend wont do a dog's dick until it get's out on a flat run on long open stretch's the hemi design shine's. Hemi's are not low end, you must be confused the 440 + 6 or even the HP will outdo ANY "stock hemi of era"
in the 1/8th and the 1/4. The "strange" thing the hemi does is in the design of the hemispherical combustion chamber. The legend was Born in 1964 go look in the Nascar Record book's, and the records still holding strong if I may add. Long Live the KING
CivilianSpaceAgency 1 year ago
Yeah, the manual should have won. The 440 and 426 are pretty evenly matched tho
Zando24 3 years ago
the manual did win. a 4-speed is slower off the line but nips ahead once moving.
F6HemiCharger 3 years ago
any body want to take a guess on which one was the Hemi?
suprchrgr70 3 years ago
Read the description.
dude486 3 years ago
Nice race. Was that your Hemi charger at the 2007 San Jose Grand Prix and in that book Hemi muscle? It looks like it
rthemii70 3 years ago
I sold the Hemi a couple years ago, so I'm not sure if it was at the '07 GP, but I doubt it.
But YES, my Hemi is in at least 2 Hard back muscle car books that I know of. I still have the Texas "66 HEMI" plates hangin' in the garage.
493Stroker 3 years ago
Now that I think of it, the Silver '66 Hemi Charger you saw was probably "Hemi Gil's" out of Fremont. He's had it a long time and frequents most Mopar shows.
Note: I meant Hard-Cover books. Not hard back in the message above.
493Stroker 3 years ago
THank you for the answer. If the license plate number was SLX 493 than its the one from the book I have and from the 07 San Jose Grand Prix
rthemii70 3 years ago
gotta love thsoe 426 hemis... but i give alot of credit to those 440's to. let's face it! the 440 is far better for everyday cruising than the hemi. and with the 490ft-lbs of that big 440 its also very very powerful! i like as much a 1970 375hp 440 as i like the 426 hemi..
peter355camaro 3 years ago
Yeah, when you floor a Hemi it spins its tires from all the power, while the 440 just takes off. Like in the video, but the Hemi always wins.
XiphosDragon 3 years ago
Usually the 440s would leave harder but the hemi cars would run them down at the far end....
cabstronaut 3 years ago
which won in the end?it looked to me like the Hemi had a bad start but pulled straight past the 440
as it should do-a manual Hemi shouldn't lose to anything!
MOPAR OR NO CAR
iainthornton 3 years ago
Cool. I heard that 426s were pretty hard to tune, though.
skoczzy 3 years ago
u dont need 2 tune it its a hemi
TekOne510 3 years ago
Where is this? Looks like Bakersfield or Barstow, or...
ralphbohm 3 years ago
Livermore CA... Just off of I-580
493Stroker 3 years ago
i miss muscle cars, id wish they come back, carbs and all....stupid arnold swartsnegger and his california emmissions laws. if i could run him over in a 70 cuda ARR i would
jsaulgodoy 3 years ago 2
hit him with a Jeep.... don't wreck a $70,000 AAR cuda !!!!
ProfessorIgor 3 years ago
what size is the hemi?
69chargerhemi 3 years ago
It was a bone-stock 426 Hemi... Original carbs, intake, exhaust, cam the whole-works. Gotta keep it stock when it's numbers-matching! :-)
493Stroker 3 years ago
hell yea because that thing is a gem
TekOne510 3 years ago
The later (1970) street hemi was capable of 470 net hp in a good state of tune. Nice cars you have there.
TechMaven 3 years ago
for anyone thinking of a new transmission please keep this in mind keisler tremec= pure sh*t. I bought a tko 600 from them a has been a nightmare from hell. keisler motto is runaround with no reacharound. this trans. is noisy as a whisle and shifts like a dump truck. these mf at keisler deserve a beat down. I know i sound mad- but try taking out the trans and mailing it back to them and then hearing them say, this is normal sloppy a*s characteristics. keisler fu fu fu f off.
hemination 3 years ago
This is what happens when you own a Mopar. You get bored beating everyone that the only real competition is...other Mopars!
mjfitzz 3 years ago
It Takes A Mopar To Catch A Mopar!
73sebrougham 3 years ago
mopar or no car
69chargerhemi 3 years ago
Amen brother
73sebrougham 3 years ago
A very well tuned street hemi would do around 600 hp. A full race hemi would do as much as your wallet could stand.....and yes the hemi just like most other muscle cars were under rated for insurance reasons.
heavyweighttrucker 3 years ago
as much as i'd love to have a 600hp engine, im quite happy with my $800 a year insurance (and this is the first year i've had my license haha) but props to the people making enough money to have that size car and the insurance to go with it
Shadow1100mfp 3 years ago
Awesome. This moving picture show here has a real vintage quality to it.
HostageKiller 4 years ago
watch american muscle car they put the stock hemi from 1970 on the dyno and made 820 hp and 689 ftlb
coon66289 4 years ago
A stock Hemi making 820hp? You must be a real mopar fan. lol
ztwntyn8 4 years ago 4
yeah i seen that program and i think the 427 ford was next at around 680+/-
NonRider 4 years ago
saw that episode- what a good one. and yea, the 426 hemi did make 820 hp. i guess the spec sheets that the cars came with were a typo lol (think the factory rated them at 425?)
racz925 4 years ago
Not true,just googled it.That was a highly modded engine they dynoed.Misinformation sucks.
reneishigh 3 years ago
You can have all the horsepower in the world, and it won't mean a damn unless you have the proper traction to suit it. Hence why the older cars can be more powerful, but not as fast as newer ones. Give them more traction, and they'll whip the floor with pretty much anything modern you can throw at them.
JarrodES13 3 years ago
the 426 had 830 somthing hp
csdogg07 4 years ago
actually, it doesn't.
It was rated at 425.
bronzehydra3 4 years ago
no it wasn't i know for a fact it was 800 somthing horse power it was rated at 425 because of insurence reasons when the motor first came out not the new ones the race only dodge hemi do your research
csdogg07 3 years ago
The race only hemis were illegal to sell on a street car. Doubtless, some were put on the street anyways, but the race hemis were not under rated, only the street versions.
Arkolyte 3 years ago
i saw that episode of American Muscle car too...it was rated 820HP and 770TQ at the fly wheel. and the fors 427 was 620HP
DamnTheDoubleNickle 3 years ago
Bah, big blocks get great mileage. I have a 440 powered 68 Chrysler 300 Hardtop and I get 13-14mpg. If you figure that its a 7.2L and most cars today are 2.0L engines it actually gets better mileage per liter than most cars of today. I dont see many 2.0L cars getting the 46.8mpg that 13 per a 7.2 would equate to. Gimme my cubes.
ewhaddix 4 years ago 2
The chief problem with Street Hemi equipped cars in the '60s was the owner. Most guys did not know how to properly tune one, ie adjust valves correctly, carb tuning etc, and they could be a real slug if not tuned correctly. They tended to be a bit lazy out of the chute and not well tuned, you might find yourself getting torched by lighter smallblock equipped car.
ravenshire43 4 years ago
insurance purposes,,,,,
deebodeez2 4 years ago
ive seen on muscle car tv where they show a stock 440 hemi and it was pushing 800 hp on the dyno
huntingfishingtrappn 4 years ago
there is no such thing as a 440 hemi unless its completely custom
stock 426 hemis are sposed to put out 575hp
the brochure ses 426hp though
CutlassS500 4 years ago
Maybe you were seeing a Super Stock Hemi (a race engine for the Super Stock class), which would be around 800. Factory rating for the 426 street Hemi is 425 horses. With a detailed rebuild using stock specs and stock cam, it will make about 465 at the flywheel.
wbceditor 4 years ago 2
as CutlassS500 said there's no such thing as a 440 Hemi. The largest Hemi was a 426 if I recall. The 440 was a Magnum engine, and that was capable of putting down some power. Just google the 440 Six-Pack.
Magnuspire 4 years ago
They already released the 528 Hemi putting out 610 horses, still I never heard ov a 440 Hemi.
XiphosDragon 4 years ago
as I said there's no such thing as a 440 Hemi, there was a 440 magnum... but not a Hemi
Magnuspire 4 years ago
The 440 w/auto would keep up with the 426 HEMI 4 speed from 0-70 mph. Thats the speed when the 426 HEMI would start walking away...
The 440 had low end HP (good for road use) and the 426 HEMI was a high reving engine (good for drag use).
IamPorterhouse 4 years ago 3
thos 66 hemi charger in my book are work alot but really you only ever see them go for around 60 grand-70 tops... cheap compared to a 71 hemi cuda.....
covet66 4 years ago
that sounded badass
ChiefsFan58 4 years ago
are you selling either one?
vampiricassassin41 4 years ago
Sorry, but the Hemi has already been sold... As for the Green 493 Stroker, it's not really for sale, but EVERYTHING'S for sale for the right price.
Sorry for the late replies... I've been in & out of the hospital lately- I'll update with some pics & details in the next couple of days. PS- I STILL have sellers remorse of the Hemi... I was the 3rd owner and it was completely original numbers matching- engine, trans, intake, heads, carbs EVERYTHING!
493Stroker 4 years ago
that sucks..what are u in the hospital for..whiplash from the 440..lol..theyll do it tho...im sure u found out..i wouldnt sell the one u got..not for the right price..the value of cars from the muscle era is skyrocketing..wait about 5 years..you could get probally 100k from a car like that right about now
omygoodnessiluvit 4 years ago
Hey 493Stroker- more details you lucky dog! Tell a little more about each car and setup. And would love to see some up close idling video of those two.
Thanks- Great vid
Hardworkn7 4 years ago
a bit faster? at the top end that silver car made a move that kinda looked like the green 1 had broke! 3rd gear looked like a blast. and 1st oughta just be called sit n spin:)
liljgoneman 4 years ago
looks like a 60's street racing scene! very cool!
032787 4 years ago
MOPAR PERFOMANCE !
vw8v 4 years ago
well at least someone knows, a 440six pack is just as good as an elephant hemi, coupled with the right tranny, a good car, and a correct driver, a 440 could stomp a hemi for half the price
dodgedart74 4 years ago