Rabble rabble rabble...rah rah rah. Lots of ill-informed opinion here. Let the Northern Irish people decide their own future.This is an unresolved conflict where looking to the past is often more harmful than looking to the future. As an outsider, I think it's brilliant that Sinn Fein and the DUP can share a political platform these days. Fuck the dissidents on both sides.
A homophobic mesoginist who was responsible for putting Oscar Wilde in jail and ultimate death, because he was gay. Strong suggestions that the Italian blooded Irish born bigot, Carsoni, was himself gay and his hate for Ireland was born out of self loathing. A demagogue with real Hitler like characteristics which made him very popular with Unionists.
@IrishDubliner99 You don't have a nationalist majority. With the Protestant majority in the 6 counties, as well as a large Catholic (which is growing) Unionist community, Irish reunification is as unlikely as ever. Thus is just and right and you will never unite again.
Ireland has proved once again that without being governed from London it cannot handle it's own affairs and should have been refused fiscal autonomy... £8 Billion later we learn this.
@e3hammer and dublin can handle their affairs where paying you 3.5 bill to keep u afloat there will never be a united ireland cos dublin cant afford 1 and the war that will come with it
If Carson were alive today and could see the results of his political career, would he be proud? Northern Ireland as a political unit has been a total failure!
there are 6 counties in northern ireland, down, armagh, antrim, fermangh, tyrone and co londonderry. Where the hell are you getting nine from. If there was one unionist party in northern ireland youd find that the majority is pro british.
Edward Carson was from Dublin, he was an Irishman. Yet loyalists in the North hate Irishmen and Dublin enough to explode three "no warning" car bombs in 1974, killing 26 people, the youngest a 5 month old baby. Makes you think, doesn't it?
@padraic2001eire Hi Mate Just to remind everyone north and south of the border...EVERYONE born prior to 1921 was an 'Irishman' as the country was still one and not divided.
here mate the orange order was nt founded in dublin, it was founded in Loughgall in a man called Dan Winters house after the battle of the diamond 1795
The first Grand Lodge of Ireland meeting was held in Dublin. The first Minute Book of the Grand Lodge reads as follows:- "That it is advisable that this first meeting of the Grand Lodge of Ireland should be on Monday the 9th Day of April at the House of Thomas Verner of Dawson Street Esq. Grand Master of the Counties of Londonderry, Tyrone and Fermanagh." The Dawson Street home was the town house of James Verner M.P. (A Member of the Irish Parliament), and father of Thomas Verner
A Dubliner through and through !! My mum worked in the house where he was born and I work opposite the building where the Orange Order was founded ..in Dawson Street in Dublin!!
"We used to say that we could not trust an Irish parliament in Dublin to do justice to the Protestant minority. Let us take care that that reproach can no longer be made against your parliament, and from the outset let them see that the Catholic minority have nothing to fear from a Protestant majority."
Perhaps what most of the republican commentators here don't realise is that Carson was against the division of the island and sought to find a compomise between both sides.
Nearly right,The term Province of Ulster is/was a British invention as was the invention of all the provinces.There were no Provinces before British/English involvement.
Historcally the number of counties in Ulster has varied from between 3 and 12. In British Ulster there are six counties, Eire by agreement no longer has a province of Ulster.
@gunrunnerx I have a question for you, not a provocative one, just one I'd like you to answer.
The island of Ireland has four provinces; Connaught, Munster, Leinster and Ulster. Galway is in Connaught. Cork is in Munster. Dublin is in Leinster. If you truly believe what you say, about Ulster only having six counties, then what province is Donegal in?
@gunrunnerx ''Historcally the number of counties in Ulster has varied from between 3 and 12. In British Ulster there are six counties, Eire by agreement no longer has a province of Ulster.''
You said 'in british ulster there ARE six counties.' ARE. This implies that you believe British Ulster exists as a province. It's that part im having difficulty with. You know, the bit where you contradict yourself.
I agree Clockwork. It's part of the UK but not of Britain. The full name of the UK is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Northern Ireland holds a very special position as the only separately named portion of the UK. It is not British per see! Great Britain was a union created in 1707 of England , Scotland and Wales. The United Kingdom as a union of four constituent countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales was created in 1801.
Yes, the fact that two sovereign states, ie GB & Ireland, entered into a union in 1801 known as the UK is vital point of fact. This is because the Irish Free State and later the Republic have existed by virtue of binding international treaties between the political leadership of the nationalism and the UK government. Therefore Northern Ireland is part of the UK by virtue of Irish law rather than British dominion. All that merely happened in 1922 was that part of Ireland left the United Kingdom!
Good video and EC was a fine statesman and excellent Barrister. He deserved the state funeral for many of his abilities, not least his willingness to stand up for what he believed.
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All this talk of "Ulster is British" is a load of rubbish now. If you check your passport, it says "United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland". Northern Ireland is not British and never was, it is a dependency under the Act of Union.
Modern democracy has proved that there is no advantage to a 6 counties state of Northern Ireland or a 26 County state of Ireland. Both remain "sovereign" entities under the EU and both retain enormous benefits as such.
Actually if you look it up there are two sovereign states located within the British Isles. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and Ireland. The group also includes the Crown dependencies of the Isle of Man and, by tradition, the Channel Islands, although the latter are not physically a part of the archipelago.
Your response is typically small minded of someone who thinks the world rotates around sectarianism.
well done thanks for reinforcing my answer. that northern ireland and ulster form part of the "British isles" correct. at least give me a comment that contradics me lol
The term 'British Isles' is outdated Empire colonial jargin coined when Ireland joined the UK. Ireland is not a British isle, Ireland is an Irish isle. The french could call Britain a french isle geographically speaking. But the french arent that ignorant
Did it? if you read the GFA there are provisions for allowign Irish unity, unionists included that in the event of Irish unity people in the 6 counties could still apply for a british passport if they wished. why would they include that? unless they realise the inevitable
it sure did, for if you really look at he GFA and the st Andrews one you shall see that it really is only a very cleaver peaice of political work manufactured by deceptive civil servants. a united ireland is almost impossible due to the clauses and sub-cluauses in it and all the hoops that you need to jump through. sorry but a united ireland is really not on the cards
@TomBarry192I Nothing is evitable, except perhaps that the Irish will always be fighting each other. I was watching The Life of Brian the other day, and was thinking how the infighting between the Jewish rebel groups exactly replicates what is still to be seen in Ireland. The Jews never did expel the Romans, and once the Romans withdrew the Jews lamented bitterly - most of them were killed or "converted" to Islam.
The adjective British pertains to more than merely Great Britain. British Isles is a geographical rather than a political term, it is of Roman origin that predates the institution of Great Britain, let alone the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland. It referred to a peninsula on the edge of the Roman Empire. Moreover Ireland was never part of the British Empire, but a constituent part of the United Kingdom!
Ireland was apart of the UK in 1801. Which we never voted for. 'British isles' is imperial nonsense. This isle is a nation. The people of this island reject the term british isle.
@TomBarry192I The short answer to your silly comment is to quote from Wikipedia: "The British Isles are a group of islands off the northwest coast of continental Europe that includes Great Britain, Ireland and over six thousand smaller islands".
'We used to say that we could not trust an Irish parliament in Dublin to do justice to the Protestant minority. Let us take care that that reproach can no longer be made against your parliament, and from the outset let them see that the Catholic minority have nothing to fear from a Protestant majority.'
Yes he was. This would have been before the GAA became the "IRA Sports Club" we know and loath today though...
As a matter of interest, did you know men training to fight in France with the 36th (Ulster) Division played Gaelic Football in Finner Camp, Bundoran?
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The GAA has always been associated with irish nationalism, even in carsons time right back to the fenian movement and so on. I dont mind whoever plays it, its just sport.
Oh and stop with the god and ulster thing. Everyone knows ulster is a nationalist province.
Everybody living in Ulster, whether in the free six counties or the occupied three, knows the GAA has always been a nationalist organisation.
But you must question why, back in the days of Carson and your own Tom Barry, non-nationalists played Gaelic games? Would it be because the bigotry and sectarianism it is now synonymous with, hadn't reached the levels it has achieved today?
I liked your "Ulster is a nationalist province" joke BTW... :O)
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Well Fact is ulster is a nationalist province, thats why unionists at the time of partition let 3 counties go to the south, to ensure the nationalist majority was denied.
True ulstermen eh?? (not an inch??) lol
They maybe should have surrendered fermanagh to the south aswell as the gap is closer than ever. But u cant redraw the border now.
Lord Edward will be looking down from above at these comments with disgust. He wanted to create peace yet there is yet no calm
BAFCTV 6 months ago
Rabble rabble rabble...rah rah rah. Lots of ill-informed opinion here. Let the Northern Irish people decide their own future.This is an unresolved conflict where looking to the past is often more harmful than looking to the future. As an outsider, I think it's brilliant that Sinn Fein and the DUP can share a political platform these days. Fuck the dissidents on both sides.
cuntylishus 7 months ago
A homophobic mesoginist who was responsible for putting Oscar Wilde in jail and ultimate death, because he was gay. Strong suggestions that the Italian blooded Irish born bigot, Carsoni, was himself gay and his hate for Ireland was born out of self loathing. A demagogue with real Hitler like characteristics which made him very popular with Unionists.
MelGib 11 months ago
@IrishDubliner99 You don't have a nationalist majority. With the Protestant majority in the 6 counties, as well as a large Catholic (which is growing) Unionist community, Irish reunification is as unlikely as ever. Thus is just and right and you will never unite again.
Ireland has proved once again that without being governed from London it cannot handle it's own affairs and should have been refused fiscal autonomy... £8 Billion later we learn this.
e3hammer 1 year ago 2
@e3hammer and dublin can handle their affairs where paying you 3.5 bill to keep u afloat there will never be a united ireland cos dublin cant afford 1 and the war that will come with it
yorksbill 1 year ago
Edward Carson a hurler from Dublin.
powzer100 1 year ago 4
@powzer100 Doesn't make him a bad person does it?
gunrunnerx 1 year ago
since we bailed the south out, does that mean we are united again under the british crown
ally1205 1 year ago
Wow, I didn't think there would be television of that. Good man.
RisingSunOfTheEast 1 year ago
His last words "Up the Dubs!!"......true story.
Ligerpride 1 year ago
If Carson were alive today and could see the results of his political career, would he be proud? Northern Ireland as a political unit has been a total failure!
judcolgan 1 year ago
@IrishDubliner99
there are 6 counties in northern ireland, down, armagh, antrim, fermangh, tyrone and co londonderry. Where the hell are you getting nine from. If there was one unionist party in northern ireland youd find that the majority is pro british.
johnboy14 1 year ago
@johnboy14 9 counties in Ulster, 6 in Northern Ireland, its simple, dont forget Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal.
judcolgan 1 year ago
FGAU UVF YCV RHC
youngfirmfleeto 1 year ago
My Wife and I did a tour around the beautiful St Annes Cathedral yesterday.
But I remember reading somewhere that Edward Carson did not want to be buried in Belfast, Is that true or an urban myth?
The8thDOCTOR 1 year ago
It's also a lie.
If he was so opposed to the foundation of Northern Ireland, why did he oppose Home Rule ?
Surely if he was anti-Northern Ireland he would grant the Irish those counties ?
Jelle1880 2 years ago
A lie? I dont think so.
He opposed home rule for all of Ireland, and
He's also quoted as saying that partition was a cowardly abandonment of the protestants of the south and west.
decayed19 2 years ago
Nice quote from Wikipedia.
Jelle1880 2 years ago
Wow, you're right! It is a quote from Wikipedia! How clever and observant of you!
decayed19 2 years ago
true but he was a member of the order since the age of 19
MartinGers93 2 years ago
Edward Carson was from Dublin, he was an Irishman. Yet loyalists in the North hate Irishmen and Dublin enough to explode three "no warning" car bombs in 1974, killing 26 people, the youngest a 5 month old baby. Makes you think, doesn't it?
padraic2001eire 2 years ago
Both sides killed innocents, the IRA more so.
Jelle1880 2 years ago
I know. I don't support the IRA.
padraic2001eire 2 years ago
@padraic2001eire Hi Mate Just to remind everyone north and south of the border...EVERYONE born prior to 1921 was an 'Irishman' as the country was still one and not divided.
SirBrownstuff 1 year ago
Held in high regard by all Unionists in the United Kingdom, he was and always will be a legend.
andyfinnmufc 2 years ago
here mate the orange order was nt founded in dublin, it was founded in Loughgall in a man called Dan Winters house after the battle of the diamond 1795
notbrasilnorniron 2 years ago
The first Grand Lodge of Ireland meeting was held in Dublin. The first Minute Book of the Grand Lodge reads as follows:- "That it is advisable that this first meeting of the Grand Lodge of Ireland should be on Monday the 9th Day of April at the House of Thomas Verner of Dawson Street Esq. Grand Master of the Counties of Londonderry, Tyrone and Fermanagh." The Dawson Street home was the town house of James Verner M.P. (A Member of the Irish Parliament), and father of Thomas Verner
wolfandcub0070 2 years ago
A Dubliner through and through !! My mum worked in the house where he was born and I work opposite the building where the Orange Order was founded ..in Dawson Street in Dublin!!
wolfandcub0070 2 years ago
"We used to say that we could not trust an Irish parliament in Dublin to do justice to the Protestant minority. Let us take care that that reproach can no longer be made against your parliament, and from the outset let them see that the Catholic minority have nothing to fear from a Protestant majority."
Lord Edward Carson.
KingOsgoodNZ 2 years ago 2
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little did they know...
Seamus616 2 years ago
Perhaps what most of the republican commentators here don't realise is that Carson was against the division of the island and sought to find a compomise between both sides.
xelallih 2 years ago 2
H e was also a fine hurler.
nallyterrace 2 years ago 3
The "Red Hand" floral arrangement at 1:00 is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Those Unionists sure know how to throw a party.
cloonmore 3 years ago
You should have seen the party they held on Gibraltar a few years after this...
silvi01977 2 years ago
The Red Hand is a symbol of Ulster NOT Ulster Unionism.Nationalists use the Red Hand too
wifeoffred 2 years ago
Nearly right,The term Province of Ulster is/was a British invention as was the invention of all the provinces.There were no Provinces before British/English involvement.
Historcally the number of counties in Ulster has varied from between 3 and 12. In British Ulster there are six counties, Eire by agreement no longer has a province of Ulster.
gunrunnerx 3 years ago 3
Ulster still has 9 counties. Thats why the statelet called 'Northern Ireland' was not called Ulster.
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
In 1152 The Synod of Kells split Ireland into 4 provinces. That was before norman/english invasion
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
@gunrunnerx I have a question for you, not a provocative one, just one I'd like you to answer.
The island of Ireland has four provinces; Connaught, Munster, Leinster and Ulster. Galway is in Connaught. Cork is in Munster. Dublin is in Leinster. If you truly believe what you say, about Ulster only having six counties, then what province is Donegal in?
padraic2001eire 1 year ago
@padraic2001eire
Just Put Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal in Northern Ireland and problem is solved.
bobslay12 1 year ago
@gunrunnerx then what province is donegal in?
crotchdonkey 6 months ago
@crotchdonkey Provinces no longer exist in reality they only exist in the tiny minds of bigots the rest of the world has moved on.
gunrunnerx 6 months ago
@gunrunnerx You just mentioned British Ulster as a province. Does British Ulster still exist as a province?
crotchdonkey 6 months ago
@crotchdonkey I didn't. What part of NO are you having difficulty with?
gunrunnerx 6 months ago
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@gunrunnerx ''Historcally the number of counties in Ulster has varied from between 3 and 12. In British Ulster there are six counties, Eire by agreement no longer has a province of Ulster.''
You said 'in british ulster there ARE six counties.' ARE. This implies that you believe British Ulster exists as a province. It's that part im having difficulty with. You know, the bit where you contradict yourself.
crotchdonkey 6 months ago
I agree Clockwork. It's part of the UK but not of Britain. The full name of the UK is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Northern Ireland holds a very special position as the only separately named portion of the UK. It is not British per see! Great Britain was a union created in 1707 of England , Scotland and Wales. The United Kingdom as a union of four constituent countries: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales was created in 1801.
astondriver 3 years ago
Yes, the fact that two sovereign states, ie GB & Ireland, entered into a union in 1801 known as the UK is vital point of fact. This is because the Irish Free State and later the Republic have existed by virtue of binding international treaties between the political leadership of the nationalism and the UK government. Therefore Northern Ireland is part of the UK by virtue of Irish law rather than British dominion. All that merely happened in 1922 was that part of Ireland left the United Kingdom!
DaveHorse1 3 years ago
UKEmpireUSA&Israel4Ever!
FGAU!
KBOTW!
NS!
GSTQ!
frphilipmullen 3 years ago
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Death to the irish traitor, hope he burns in hell with his bum buddy james craig
beggo321 3 years ago
Good video and EC was a fine statesman and excellent Barrister. He deserved the state funeral for many of his abilities, not least his willingness to stand up for what he believed.
astondriver 3 years ago 4
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All this talk of "Ulster is British" is a load of rubbish now. If you check your passport, it says "United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland". Northern Ireland is not British and never was, it is a dependency under the Act of Union.
Modern democracy has proved that there is no advantage to a 6 counties state of Northern Ireland or a 26 County state of Ireland. Both remain "sovereign" entities under the EU and both retain enormous benefits as such.
Grow up and join the modern world
astondriver 3 years ago
em ACTUALLY ulster is in the "BRITISH ISLES" so therefore can be called british.
minty1freshness 3 years ago 6
Actually if you look it up there are two sovereign states located within the British Isles. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and Ireland. The group also includes the Crown dependencies of the Isle of Man and, by tradition, the Channel Islands, although the latter are not physically a part of the archipelago.
Your response is typically small minded of someone who thinks the world rotates around sectarianism.
astondriver 3 years ago
well done thanks for reinforcing my answer. that northern ireland and ulster form part of the "British isles" correct. at least give me a comment that contradics me lol
minty1freshness 3 years ago 3
Ever heard of the "British Isles"? Ulster is British, politically and geographically.
royalcourtier 3 years ago
The term 'British Isles' is outdated Empire colonial jargin coined when Ireland joined the UK. Ireland is not a British isle, Ireland is an Irish isle. The french could call Britain a french isle geographically speaking. But the french arent that ignorant
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
the concept of a united ireland also became outdated when the good friday agreement was signed.
ballynafeighbluedog 3 years ago
Did it? if you read the GFA there are provisions for allowign Irish unity, unionists included that in the event of Irish unity people in the 6 counties could still apply for a british passport if they wished. why would they include that? unless they realise the inevitable
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
it sure did, for if you really look at he GFA and the st Andrews one you shall see that it really is only a very cleaver peaice of political work manufactured by deceptive civil servants. a united ireland is almost impossible due to the clauses and sub-cluauses in it and all the hoops that you need to jump through. sorry but a united ireland is really not on the cards
tate247 2 years ago 2
clauses and sub clauses? lol please tell me more
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
@TomBarry192I Nothing is evitable, except perhaps that the Irish will always be fighting each other. I was watching The Life of Brian the other day, and was thinking how the infighting between the Jewish rebel groups exactly replicates what is still to be seen in Ireland. The Jews never did expel the Romans, and once the Romans withdrew the Jews lamented bitterly - most of them were killed or "converted" to Islam.
royalcourtier 10 months ago
The adjective British pertains to more than merely Great Britain. British Isles is a geographical rather than a political term, it is of Roman origin that predates the institution of Great Britain, let alone the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland. It referred to a peninsula on the edge of the Roman Empire. Moreover Ireland was never part of the British Empire, but a constituent part of the United Kingdom!
DaveHorse1 3 years ago
Ireland was apart of the UK in 1801. Which we never voted for. 'British isles' is imperial nonsense. This isle is a nation. The people of this island reject the term british isle.
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
@TomBarry192I And with typical Nationalist dedication to "democracy", you are purporting to speak for them all?
royalcourtier 10 months ago
nope. the Romans made strong distinctions between Hibernia and Albion.
Seamus616 2 years ago
@TomBarry192I The short answer to your silly comment is to quote from Wikipedia: "The British Isles are a group of islands off the northwest coast of continental Europe that includes Great Britain, Ireland and over six thousand smaller islands".
royalcourtier 10 months ago
@astondriver so is it a united United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Irelandish passport or ist infact a british passport
yorksbill 1 year ago
'We used to say that we could not trust an Irish parliament in Dublin to do justice to the Protestant minority. Let us take care that that reproach can no longer be made against your parliament, and from the outset let them see that the Catholic minority have nothing to fear from a Protestant majority.'
Pity you didn't listen to him
georgiecasey 3 years ago
Lord Carson will always stand proudly at Stormont watching over East Belfast.
NO SURRENDER
Blood of Blood Bone of Bone F.G.A.U.
SonofOrange 3 years ago
FOR GOD AND ULSTER
Sir Edward Carson is a true legend for the good protestant ppl of ulster and abroad.
TOM BARRY, ULSTER IS A NATIONALIST PROVINCE? NAHH MATE GO FUK URSELF
ULSTER IS BRITISH!
NO SURRENDER
notbrasilnorniron 3 years ago
fukin ryt son
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
AND FUK THE POPE
philipc1690 3 years ago 2
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Good enough for the old bollocks, I hope he died screaming!!!!!!
CradaOC 4 years ago
God Bless Lord Carson!
UK & USA Forever!
Ulster IS British!
God Save The Queen!
frphilipmullen 4 years ago 5
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Great Dublin hurler he was 2
tombarry1921 4 years ago
Yes he was. This would have been before the GAA became the "IRA Sports Club" we know and loath today though...
As a matter of interest, did you know men training to fight in France with the 36th (Ulster) Division played Gaelic Football in Finner Camp, Bundoran?
For God And Ulster.
Warriorking1963 4 years ago 4
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The GAA has always been associated with irish nationalism, even in carsons time right back to the fenian movement and so on. I dont mind whoever plays it, its just sport.
Oh and stop with the god and ulster thing. Everyone knows ulster is a nationalist province.
tombarry1921 4 years ago
Everybody living in Ulster, whether in the free six counties or the occupied three, knows the GAA has always been a nationalist organisation.
But you must question why, back in the days of Carson and your own Tom Barry, non-nationalists played Gaelic games? Would it be because the bigotry and sectarianism it is now synonymous with, hadn't reached the levels it has achieved today?
I liked your "Ulster is a nationalist province" joke BTW... :O)
For God And Ulster.
Warriorking1963 4 years ago
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Well Fact is ulster is a nationalist province, thats why unionists at the time of partition let 3 counties go to the south, to ensure the nationalist majority was denied.
True ulstermen eh?? (not an inch??) lol
They maybe should have surrendered fermanagh to the south aswell as the gap is closer than ever. But u cant redraw the border now.
tombarry1921 4 years ago