I don't see why some Christians are so desperate to convert atheists. Why do you always only focus on the atheists? What about other religions? I seldom see a Christian going head-to-head against a Muslim, or HIndu, or Buddhist! You guys always seem to only pick on atheists. Why?? Do you prefer someone who believes in some kind of God over one who doesn't?? Is that it??
Q:'what would you say to someone who has met the risen and living Lord Jesus Christ?'
A: did you get his autograph?
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How bout, it's real to you my friend, but it's not real to me. you are entitled to believe what you want...and if you extend me the same courtesy...we're aces...
Êvolution is satan's work. Earth is 6000 years old. Science is a liberal conspiracy. God created those transitional fossils in order to test our faith. If you pass the test you will be the best, but if you fail the test you will burn in the lake of the fire eternally. God will never forgive you. Please, don't believe those lies because scientists are atheist liars who are trying to destroy our values. Believe it or not, evolution leads to hell
all you have to do is look up in your personal time and say hey if there is a God show yourself to me. even ask is the bible the truth. he will respond to you 100%. he can respond in dreams, a vision, maybe an audible voice. depending how God wants to respond. so this is the way to get the evidence. its really basic and simple. God revealing himself to you. you can ask as many times as you want to so you can get confirmation that the bible is the facts of life. thus this debate is put to rest
@burtontoker Heck, I'm not an atheist either. I just don't believe that we should blindly follow what biblical texts have told us to. With that, I agree with Dawkins.
@sahd0w the problem is, when somebody says something rediculously stupid, you have to point it out to them, if a member of your family believes in unicorns, and for example says their biggest dream in life is to have one has a pet, you will have to break their heart and tell them that it aint gonna happen cuz unicorns dont exist and they are being stupid
@sahd0w he is a science educator, that's his job lol! He isn't a scientific researcher like rest of mainstream academia. His job isn't to do the research. His job is to TRANSLATE those esoteric findings into something the laymen audience can understand! So if people disagree with science, it is part of his job to point out their misunderstanding.
And i won't say he is belittling them. He is telling them like it is.
I agree with Dawkins' conclusion, but his argument here is poor. If religious impulse is "hallucination," it must be a "collective hallucination," for he notes nearly all societies have a concept of some sort of deity. It seems like it'd take a God to _cause_ people to have a collective hallucination: so it's not a strong argument. His book wasn't "The Christian God Delusion," or "The Allah Delusion," but "The God Delusion." His argument would be more convincing if he stayed consistent here.
@greatfulkitteh Nearly all socities have a concept of some sort of deity because every human has a fear of death, Since we have gained knowledge of our own mortality, we have also started to deal with it by fantasizing that its not real (ala religion, that our soul is immortal and we are finite)
Also the more i watch this the more it seems clear, that Dawkis doesn't even answer his question he just changes the subject and stereo types about other countries and their religions.
Also this is gotta be staged, i mean the old man didnt look like he could win an arguement to save his life, why didnt they get a young Chrsitian who could actually field a good discusion, theres millions of them, but instead they got this babblin old man
@gorilla199uncensored LOL funny how i answered ur question with another question and u answered both questions, but too bad u lack the inteligence to realize that.
were here thats Proof of God
Just like a house being there thats proof of a builder
Just like a painting is proof of a painter
or did the Painting paint itself and the house build itself?
Its as valid as you saying that ur proof of ur ancesters.
Earthquakes caused by God?? so now your confusing Christianity, with an ancient Greek religion, way to go to proving ur own ignorance yeaa!!. give ur self a pat on the back.... i'll give myself a face palm
God exists outside of time and space therefore our rules do no apply to him, just like anything that exists outside of time and space. Science 101 genius
Snoflakes and Earthquakes are the result of Cycle that begin when the World was created. ..Just like a car has its maker, but a car also gives out fumes, do the fumes have a maker, well no they come from the car, that was made by a maker
Ps God is all around us clouds or not
Go open a book educate urself, before coming back, ur ignorance is quite pathetic, even a 7 year old could put up a better arguement than you
You clearly have no idea about religion, as ur confusing Greek Myth's with Christianity.
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You have no clue about science as u do not even know of it's simplest laws, so what apart from you name calling and ignorance could you bring to this discussion
Again all u can bring to the discussion, is ignorance and assumptions i explained about ur snowflakes and earthquakes. yet u still come up with ur childish arguements
Everything i said was science, but of course you wouldn't know what science was if it hit u in the face would ya now
LOL thats why theres never been any peer reviwed paper written claiming what you did?
NOT SCIENCE!
"begin when the World was created"
Created by nartural processes? just like snowflakes. Unless you have evidence (Tho you have no idea what the word means) that the world was created by magic and not a natural process?
The bible says yoru god lives inthe clouds, thats why it was scared of the tower of bable, THEY WHERE GOING TO GET IT! LOL
Claiming what i did? Its all backed up just cos u haven't read any papers doesn't mean they don't exist. Again ur talkin with ur ignorance, so u think:
Cars don't give out fumes?
So there is no such thing as Laws of time and space?
So Earthquakes and snowlfakes are not part of a Cycle wich begin from the worlds creation? Please show me were i was wrong?
Again ur getting confused about magic and God. seriously arent u tired of failing so bad?
Rules of times? Bet you cant do your times tabels. Since you didnt finish high school. What year did you fail out?
Funny how you accept snowflakes happen without magic by natural causes then when asked to provide evidence the earth was done by magic you fail to provide any as usual!
Running off because you cant explain why your god got defeated by iron chariots? LOL
@gorilla199uncensored Ive got better things than to argue with an uneducated man about Science who keeps bringin up pointless things because he has no clue what science is
Oh and Tower of Bable was men thinking they could become Gods by building a tower.. Called blasthemy. Anothe failed point by you
@gorilla199uncensored TY?? Do u even know that Y comes before T in the word Youtube?, lol freakin loser
Lol the Bible never says God was scared or men were gonna raid the clouds and get God. hahahaha So now ur lying to prove a point, uv not answered a single question of mine, and just keep bringin up irrelevent things to change the subject and use lies to back urself up. Not gonna waste time arguing with an idiot who knowingly lies to prove a point
@AlexiusMoore "Secondly Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, so he ignoranlty messed up there." => LOL no, Muslims don't believe Jesus is God. That's a key difference.
"Darwkins was born in a Christian country so by his own theory he should be a Christian?" => yeah, he WAS.
@AlexiusMoore "i dare say that Hinduis is more of a passive religion, and is more of a cultural influence rather than spiritual one," => all religions are culturally influence. You think the concept of Christmas wasn't borrowed from previous beliefs? You think Noah's flood wasn't influenced by a previous faith?
@Casshyr Thst not wht i mean. I live in a full street of Indians, they dont take hinduism seriously, they dont pray or anything, yet they still follow their identity as hindu.
Christmass isn't mentioned in the Bible so how can it be borrowed from another religion?
So what religion was Noah's Ark was Borrowed from?
@AlexiusMoore look up on google religions with a flood involved, and count the numbers.I'll give you one example: ancient egyptians had plenty of flood myths too.
Christmas is treated as a Christian holiday by Christians, but it is obviously borrowed. Look up history of Christmas (from a non-Christian source, so it's not biased).
@Casshyr Christmas is celebrated in the western culture, not christianity. Its not conisdered a Holy day by Christians. Its a western holiday just like Bank holiday.
The Egyption flood story is totally different to Noahs Ark.
The reason Christians keep preaching and annoying people, is because they re trying to save peoples soul's so you can't really blame them. If anything you could say the asians don't give a shit about us cos they dont even bother to try and save ur soul lol
@AlexiusMoore "Its not conisdered a Holy day by Christians" => lol i beg to differ. I spent 10 years in church. Christmas is like the biggest thing for them, along with Easter! They think it's Christ's birthday! (despite the evidence that it's not..)
"The Egyption flood story is totally different to Noahs Ark." => of course not. It's inspiration. It's all about inspiration. Ancient people are always fascinated by floods, and make myths about them.
@AlexiusMoore "don't give a shit about us cos they dont even bother to try and save ur soul lol" => no...i've been to a buddhist temple before. They try not to preach to me at first, but when i showed interest.. oh boy do they preach!! They only preach if they see you are actually interested!! Whereas in Christianity, they preach even when you don't want to hear it!
@AlexiusMoore message is essentially the same for them, just like all religions. It's all about finding peace in your life, finding a passion, the purpose. They also talk a lot about enlightenment and gaining a sharper sense of awareness. But in the end, if you focus on the core parts, all religions aim to try to make you into a better person and give you a sense of purpose + peace/love.
(which sounds good on the surface until you get to the gritty details)
@AlexiusMoore "they dont take hinduism seriously"=> it depends who you know..i know a few Indians who treat their belief very seriously, statues of their deities, religious rules that they follow day and night...it depends who you talk to. But that's one thing i like about Asian religions. They are generally more...peaceful. Christians are all about conversion, spreading the gospel like a virus. Asians tend to be more private..
First off, I meant scientific fact is not 100%...look it up before you get all angry and start abusing people. I'm not religous either before you jump to conclusion as you do with the 0.1% that is unproved in science. It is imposible to prove anything...that is a FACT. Look at a philosophy book. Scientific fact is not 100% therefore relies on some faith, therefore is a religion. You believe in other things just choose to not believe in God as you don't like the idea, that is all
@SageAndOnions if your going to argue proof versus probability then sure you may technically win philosophically but you fail in practicality, i seriously doubt you go around ignoring what is logically accepted as fact (oh and since you like philosophy look up logic) for instance when 20 people tell you that you stink and need to shower, and you smell your pits and they do smell, i guess you could always argue for them to prove it lol
@SageAndOnions It is true that does not claim to prove anything 100%. It just looks at all the evidence and draws a conclusion about the most likely answer. Some things have so much evidence that there is very close to 100% certainty - in fact so close that it is 100% for all practical purposes. There can never be absolute proof that there is no God. All we can do is look at the evidence and draw our own conclusions.
@fecklessmovies My conclusion is that there is not enough evidence to prove that there is a God. This is not require faith, and is not a religion. It is probably best described as a theory based on the available evidence.
@fecklessmovies Well yeah, that is a good point. I mean, I study Psychology anyway so it's not like I don't think science is correct...it's just that a lot of atheists I've talked to seem very ignorant, which actualy hinders research into areas which have to do with 'supernatural' things, so what I'm trying to do is make people think outside the box a little, and question what they think is correct, as without doing so, no new research can be made...cont
@SageAndOnions ...I think that it is very probable that there is existence outside of this physical Universe but ofcourse this is very hard to prove. People may think of this religiously, but really it makes no difference. I think the answer lies in frequencies, or vibrations, of light, and how consciousness effects what we call matter. For example, a different dimension (supernatural for now) can just be a matter of a different frequency, such as is the difference between two colours, for e.g
@daverowbotham Because what we call physical reality is just one range of frequencies out of many that our bodies are able to detect, and therefore to us seem physical and real. Your mind creates this illusion based on the frequencies it recieves through the 5 senses, and the illusion is many-layered as well. These frequencies go beyond the range which is detectable by our bodies, however. That is why I strongly believe that existence outside the 'physical' is possible
@SageAndOnions Reality is not an illusion. If you think it is, heres a simply test you can do. Stop eating, and see how long you live.
Clearly you completely fail to understand what electromagnetic radiation is, and your bandying around terms that are used in science to make yourself sound authoratative. But here's the thing, my professional work requires an understanding of this, and what your saying makes you sound like a complete dick.
@daverowbotham Well actualy, it may be possible to live without eating...take a look at this video /watch?v=EhEHGGt33hM...I am here to learn by discussing topics which interest me, not to sound authoratative. If you know something more than me about this then please point me to the right direction rathar than insulting me needlessly. Prove me wrong. And how would you explain the double slit experiment if reality is so real then?
@SageAndOnions "Well actualy, it may be possible to live without eating"
No, no it isn't possible to live without eating.
As for proving you wrong, no, that's not how logic works, you are making claims , the burdern of proof is on you to provide the evidence.
Youtube is too short a forum to explain the double slit experiment, I suggest you might like to start with the wikipedia article on it and follow the *cited* facts explained there.
@SageAndOnions You are right, a lot of atheists are ignorant... although they are not aware of it, they do a lot to hinder the cause that they think they are helping. As for supernatural occurrences - fine, but I do get annoyed with certain Christians who deny that anything supernatural can occur EXCEPT for their chosen events e.g. the resurrection.
I have had some interesting debates with some very intelligent Christians. But ultimately there is never a conclusion to the debate because it always comes back to "I opened my heart to Jesus and I just knew..." or a more subtle distinction which is that we have both considered all the available evidence and formed a belief 'beyond a reasonable doubt' yet we have both concluded different things.
@fecklessmovies Yes, this annoys me about Christians as well...also, the fact that taking part in what some people consider natural, others supernatural, activities is evil and 'occult'. I think all facets of human life need to be explored fully so that we can understand ourselves better and progress as a species. We are only at the beginning stages of true scientific discovery I think. This past century will act as a catalyst for the coming years of revolutionary break-throughs, I think.
So is Dawkins saying people believe what their nation believes? That's funny because it's pretty hard to find a nation without Christians, including Afghanistan, and they're not living in Christian nations. What about Catholicism Dawkins? Where do all those Catholics come from, Catholic Land? Another weak argument by the big Dick.
@bulldogbell1980 close but no cigar, he's saying if you were born in one of the places he names, the probability is great that you would subscribe to the major religion of that area rather than christianity, religions which have a much longer tradition in those areas than christianity. However feel free to argue that in some cases christianity has violently forced itself into countries and is presently a higher percentage because of it. Have a nice day!
@grindtildeath Thanks for the freedom to argue that. I understand what Dawkins was saying, that's why I posted. Christ never said, "Hey, my message is a weak one. Go and kill our neighbor infidels and convert their people to Christianity." Mankind walks with evil, including Christians, there is no arguing that. Present day, all the Christians I know love Jesus by choice, not because they were beaten to believe. Have a great day!
@bulldogbell1980 no his point is people generally believe in the religion that they are brought up with. This illustrates no religion is special, but you merely accept it because you grow up with it. Just like how if you grow up eating sushi, then you probably will love sushi more than other food, altho someone else may like steak better than sushi cuz that's what they grow up with. It's to show Christianity is not special. It's merely one of the hundreds of religions out in the world.
@Casshyr Yes yes I understand, thank you. I'll say something simple, I was raised on steak and like sushi more. I didn't know about Jesus until I was around twenty, was never placed inside a church, and it took more than twelve years of pondering and looking for my heart to open. The reason I first looked into Christianity was the archeological evidence that differentiates this religion from the others. You have yourself a good one
@rebelyelleasyrider wow, i know , its called a double negative. I knew some troll might say something.. i actually figured not, but surprise. oh well, later
You need no longer doubt the nature of the Creator of the Universe. You may now know the mind of God, clearly, without hallucination.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by iron-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
Thing is though, fact does not exist...science cannot prove anything 100%. Fact is 99.9%, not 100%, so why people blindly jump to science being 100% right is beyond me. It is pure ignorance. On top of this, science is built on assumptions, which means nothing but belief. Atheism is therefore the same thing as religion as both are built on faith. How about we just take it easy and appreciate this crazy world we live on instead of bickering. Maybe less people would suffer
@SageAndOnions Did you get any education or are you really this stupid? Science is not a belief. science is knowledge attained through study or practice. Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system.
@SageAndOnions if not for science, scientists and science projects you would not have a computer, car, engines, plastic, microchips, BANANAS, knowledge of DNA, study of dinosaurs, your ipod/iphone touch screens, i can go on and on. so what was your point again? LOL fail.
@SageAndOnions science is built on knowledge gained from testing/hard work. your BIBLE and your belief system, and your flying invisible man in the sky is an assumption. you assume there is an invisible man in the sky, you assume there is a lava pit waiting for you below the earth with a demon waiting to poke your ass with a fork LOL. you seem very lazy, why dont you stop being lazy and gain some knowledge. you come off as an idiot.
@SageAndOnions Are you seriously that ignorant and arrogant? Science proves things by 100%, until then its called a theory or hypothesis. A theory in science is something they have evidence of, tested, and made experiments about, but still lacks something - Thus its not complete, yet.
Science is not a belief. Secondly neither is atheism, its the lack of faith. Why the fuck do religious people insist on calling it a religion when it clearly isn't?
If Atheist are right and their is no God than it doesnt really matter what anybody belives because at the end every body dies anyways so their is no point in making fun at anybody. I personally weight the pros and cons of believing in God. . Best case scenario is i die and go to heaven. worse case scenario is nothing happens. For atheist best case scenario is nothing happens after death worse case scenario they are wrong and go to hell.
If you can't be yourself by yourself, you have a problem. Religious people might be wrong, but they still deserve to be respected and treated with dignity as do all humans. Bigotry in the name of science makes you no less of a bigot. The eerie thing is Science/atheism is starting to look a little more like a Religion
@12Ominous "Religious people might be wrong, but they still deserve to be respected and treated with dignity as do all humans." Of course they deserve respect, just as much as anyone does, however their beliefs don't. Theism has garnered a totally unmerited level of respect, when it actually deserves none. If they want to believe in ridiculous things then fine go for it, but they better be prepared for ridicule.
@ClosedAperture The problem is these aren't people with light hypothetical beliefs. These peoples beliefs are them. Perhaps unmerited, many things still remain to be seen. I disbelief in a God because as of now there is not sufficient evidence, however I have not ruled out the possibility that future evidence for God may reveal itself. You could say the same thing of an artist who chooses to adopt unconventional attire. "Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool."
@ClosedAperture By being the one who subjects others to ridicule you undermine your own integrity and dignity. A respectable, dignified person should not fall to that level, especially since ridicule was the same cheap method theocrats once used to negate or discredit the findings and theories of Scientists. Of course as history has shown, being ridiculed does make the one being ridiculed wrong.
@ClosedAperture you say that the belief is ridiculous but in all honesty what gives you the right to take a new thing like evolution and compare it to a belief that has been around for a few thousand years?
@ikwhereyoulive00 just because it has been around for a long time doesn't mean its right. if i have a hypothesis that is incorrect now, it will still be incorrect in 3000 years
@ikwhereyoulive00 evolution is not belief. It is fact. Do you think gravity is a belief? Gravity is also a theory. Yet I think you'd avoid jumping off a building because its a 'theory' or 'belief'
@Znybar what is it with people like you that have to pick at little things to avoid the argument? if you don't have the brains to understand what i meant then maybe you shouldn't be replying to my comments
@ikwhereyoulive00 I would say it's the crux of the argument. You consider evolution to be a belief rather than fact. Any scientist will tell you, evolution is as much a 'belief' as the fact that the sky is blue. This is a huge mistake on theists' part, as they consider that evolution is a belief system, when it is in fact an observation of evidence.
@Znybar i say belief as in, do you "believe" that it is true, you should be quite able to understand what i mean, and you are completely ignoring the whole point of the argument by picking at little things that have almost no relevance, of course we can bicker about how important my "Mistake" is but that is a waste of time, unless you have something that has to do with the video or the original argument then please don't reply
@ClosedAperture I'd like to add that if any religious person attempts to force their beliefs on you or me, through chapel services at school/grace at dinner that sort of thing, does not have the the right to be offended when I make fun of their beliefs. I don't make fun of religious people at other times because it's not important, but when they attempt to force their insane beliefs on me, I will ruthlessly mock them.
I'm an atheist but I detest the open ridicule, condescension and undermining of religious people. If it becomes widespread, that is if if gets off of You Tube and out of intellectual spheres, it could lead to something as horrific as the holocaust. I think Dawkins needs to really look at what he is trying to do here, he's a great biologist, but he's an inept humanist and I'm very suspicious of him as I am of anyone who is this compelled to impose their paradigm of thought on others.
@lxAgnosticxl In that case, I can blame Nazi Germany on Christianity.
And they didn't start out with ridicule to move on to genocide. They never ridiculed, in fact. It was the removal of anything that threatened their authority. Those that obeyed to what they believed was a higher authority were removed. Opposition was removed as well. But I guess that was also because of atheism, right guys?
They had no respect for religion , they burned down churches and buried many jews alive because they were religious , Mao walked across China and shot anyone who disagreed with the new communist agenda which included the abolishment of religion.
No one knows what religion Hitler was (don't get me wrong he was baptized) but he had only ever 1 quote supporting a Christian belief ,but had several supporting pagan belief.
You're damn wrong in that. Atheists may have committed genocide but they didn't do it because they were atheists. Hitler had a moustache, how would you feel if i said having a moustache can lead to genocide? It's a ridiculous point to make.
I'm not going to repeat myself , They went in to chuches and killed them because they were Christian and buried Jews alive because they were Jewish. Mao killed anyone who didn't accept communism Including atheism.
That may be true but what part of having a non-belief in a god asks you to kill people? The answer is nowhere! However, there are scripts in a lot of religions which actually promotore violence against non-believers. I'm not saying all religious people are, or all atheists are good. But you can't say that atheism can objectively lead to genocide because that's bullshit.
@turlough06 You are either a shallow thinker or you are being deliberately obstinate. Opposing fractions form from even the most minor differences. Take for instance Protestants and Catholics, black people and white people. It is not so much the differences, nor is it the doctrine that leads to genocide or mass-persecution. Rather it is the gained acceptance of the marginalization/division/condescension/ridicule/forced assimilation of that group of people that leads to extermination.
@N1ckVBe Ridicule is very dangerous, it is the act of stripping a person of their humanity/alienation. Not only is it divisive and pernicious to that individual, it can escalate to the point where that group of people becomes viewed as a lesser class/sub-human. Ridicule is a cloaked form of prejudice and discrimination. The Jews were openly ridiculed well before they were shipped off to concentration camps and mass-exterminated. Of course ridicule remains always present throughout.
@12Ominous Humbug. Bullshit must be called bullshit. Otherwise we'd still be stuck with iron age fairy tales. If you can't face the facts, get the fuck out of public debate.
@TomFynn If you remove all the "bullshit" from the world, that is if by bullshit you mean to say things invented by humans, rather it be fairy tales, art, films, ideas, there wouldn't be anything left. But I don't expect you to be able to think deeply enough in order to see the slippery slope that your perspective places you on. With that kind of attitude you might as well just die.
@12Ominous Wrong.Science starts as theory which you could argue is the same as fantasy and I would agree with you. Where scientists and theists differ is that scientists subject their fantasies to endless scutiny and attempts to disprove them to see if they survive in all cases. Only then will something be considered fact. Theists consider thier fantasies fact and use words like faith and blasphemy to discourage people from even questioning them because they know that what they have wont survive
@ilrichard actually, after those steps it becomes a theory... at first it is an idea which, if it is a good one might become a hypothesis, and if that hypothesis survives everything that is tried to disprove it, it will become a theory - but never ever a fact! (altough saying a correct theory is not a fact seems kind of like arguing semantics) ...
Theism stops at the idea and either starts the spamming of unbelievers or just sits there happily without worrying about that idea making sense...
@ilrichard Science at no point is fantasy. Any scientific idea is based around a hypothesis, which is derived from logical observations. If something is of fantasy, it ceases to be science.
I think Dawkins was kind to the guy. Hallucinating is a mild expression for the problem of someone who thinks he walks and talks with an invisible super powerful zombie. I'd have suggested a psychiatrist or a mental hospital.
@clogtowner The same can be said for any individual who believes his actions are important; his life has significance. Delusion (the correct term you are looking for) is a vital function, part of the human condition, without it we would all just curl up into a ball and die.
@clogtowner well what dawkins said only works up to a point. of course if he was in india he'd be worshiping said god but what if his parents never raised him on those beliefs and they raised him christian? or he found out about Christianity?
The poor guy was raised on lies and now he is crazy. Keep telling yourself religion isn't so bad. Take a good look at the outcome. He is the same type of crazy, that could easily be talked into strapping a bomb to himself.
Since when does it make him wrong. Dawkins says the same repetitive shit to every argument. If you were born during blah blah blah. How do we know that Zeus, Shiva, JuJu is not the same god, just from a different language? That is the point, you are placing all of your eggs in the basket of atheist beliefs. Do you ever really wonder if you may be wrong? Dawkins does not, or does he?
@Joel9046 The problem is that each religion has a distinct system of beliefs, there are multiple debates that are posted on youtube between Christian and Muslim philosophers/theologists, for instance, where they agree that these religions are non-inclusive. If you do think that it may be all the same being, then notice you do not know how to worship such a deity. You do not know whether he is kind or evil, or even how such a being would react to your form of worship of him (if he exists).
@Joel9046 I think many Christians would be upset if Jesus looked like Ganesh (an elephant.) The argument is strong and clear - that's why he repeats it. I wonder what the guy could tell us about the appearance of Jesus, his voice, his language and whether he has a belly button.
@Joel9046 Uh...because we're not idiots. Every one of these doctrines are nonsensical texts riddled with contradiction. What do you suggest otherwise? Better be good in case we're wrong? Why not - just be good? Why should it matter whether there's a God or not? No man could possibly know what it wants, so why pretend to people.
I don't see why some Christians are so desperate to convert atheists. Why do you always only focus on the atheists? What about other religions? I seldom see a Christian going head-to-head against a Muslim, or HIndu, or Buddhist! You guys always seem to only pick on atheists. Why?? Do you prefer someone who believes in some kind of God over one who doesn't?? Is that it??
Casshyr 32 minutes ago
Q:'what would you say to someone who has met the risen and living Lord Jesus Christ?'
A: did you get his autograph?
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How bout, it's real to you my friend, but it's not real to me. you are entitled to believe what you want...and if you extend me the same courtesy...we're aces...
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Êvolution is satan's work. Earth is 6000 years old. Science is a liberal conspiracy. God created those transitional fossils in order to test our faith. If you pass the test you will be the best, but if you fail the test you will burn in the lake of the fire eternally. God will never forgive you. Please, don't believe those lies because scientists are atheist liars who are trying to destroy our values. Believe it or not, evolution leads to hell
freandwhickquest 6 hours ago
Ouch. He had it coming to him though, but ouch.
GhonaSifilaids 7 hours ago
hahahah sweet ending
ShaolinPete 13 hours ago
hail satan
virgilxoxo1 17 hours ago
@virgilxoxo1 Lol.
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all you have to do is look up in your personal time and say hey if there is a God show yourself to me. even ask is the bible the truth. he will respond to you 100%. he can respond in dreams, a vision, maybe an audible voice. depending how God wants to respond. so this is the way to get the evidence. its really basic and simple. God revealing himself to you. you can ask as many times as you want to so you can get confirmation that the bible is the facts of life. thus this debate is put to rest
udoherkommer 18 hours ago
just because i believe in santa for 50 years does not make him real?
iphuckHondas 1 day ago
Richard Dawkins is such a tool. All he does is tell people they are wrong and belittle them.
sahd0w 1 day ago
@sahd0w Generally because they are wrong and the "belittling" is the truth that they're incapable of seeing.
JDLupus 1 day ago 6
@JDLupus yeah, theres absolutely no supernatural being, thats not an illogical statement at all, LOL.
burtontoker 1 day ago
@burtontoker Heck, I'm not an atheist either. I just don't believe that we should blindly follow what biblical texts have told us to. With that, I agree with Dawkins.
JDLupus 1 day ago
@sahd0w do most tools you know hold a Masters degree in arts and a Doctrite in Philosophy?
grindtildeath 1 day ago
@sahd0w Most of em are wrong. Probly a good idea to let em know.
TaterGumfries 1 day ago
@sahd0w the problem is, when somebody says something rediculously stupid, you have to point it out to them, if a member of your family believes in unicorns, and for example says their biggest dream in life is to have one has a pet, you will have to break their heart and tell them that it aint gonna happen cuz unicorns dont exist and they are being stupid
ThePowerV3 1 day ago
@sahd0w he is a science educator, that's his job lol! He isn't a scientific researcher like rest of mainstream academia. His job isn't to do the research. His job is to TRANSLATE those esoteric findings into something the laymen audience can understand! So if people disagree with science, it is part of his job to point out their misunderstanding.
And i won't say he is belittling them. He is telling them like it is.
Casshyr 1 day ago
I agree with Dawkins' conclusion, but his argument here is poor. If religious impulse is "hallucination," it must be a "collective hallucination," for he notes nearly all societies have a concept of some sort of deity. It seems like it'd take a God to _cause_ people to have a collective hallucination: so it's not a strong argument. His book wasn't "The Christian God Delusion," or "The Allah Delusion," but "The God Delusion." His argument would be more convincing if he stayed consistent here.
greatfulkitteh 2 days ago
@greatfulkitteh Nearly all socities have a concept of some sort of deity because every human has a fear of death, Since we have gained knowledge of our own mortality, we have also started to deal with it by fantasizing that its not real (ala religion, that our soul is immortal and we are finite)
grindtildeath 1 day ago
@greatfulkitteh Rubbish.
AlexofBVE 14 hours ago
Oh thank god, I thought this was going to be a gay proposal lol boy I was wrong...
sudddey 2 days ago
Delusion is a wonderful thing!
CombatRocks 2 days ago
Also the more i watch this the more it seems clear, that Dawkis doesn't even answer his question he just changes the subject and stereo types about other countries and their religions.
Also this is gotta be staged, i mean the old man didnt look like he could win an arguement to save his life, why didnt they get a young Chrsitian who could actually field a good discusion, theres millions of them, but instead they got this babblin old man
AlexiusMoore 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"why didnt they get a young Chrsitian who could actually field a good discusion"
Ok creatard your up.
So care to provide some evidnece for your imagianry god? LOL
gorilla199uncensored 3 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored
I don't have an imaginary god LOL
Provide me evidence for your Great great great great great great great great great grandma
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
LOL funny how you didnt provide any evidence for you god youdidnt even try!
Your not so stupid as to try?
Give us evidence
Your god exists
It did it
Even the most stupid fundy is never so stupid as to try and do this.
How stupid are you?
Will you try? :)
Im here thats proof I had ancestors.
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored LOL funny how i answered ur question with another question and u answered both questions, but too bad u lack the inteligence to realize that.
were here thats Proof of God
Just like a house being there thats proof of a builder
Just like a painting is proof of a painter
or did the Painting paint itself and the house build itself?
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"were here thats Proof of God"
LOL NO
Even if this stupid claim was valid it doenst prove your god!
"Just like a house being there thats proof of a builder"
Just like earthquakes have to be caused by a god, thats what people knew before science educated them.
So what makes snowflakes?
So your god is proof theres a god maker. Or do you throw your invalid argument out, because you dont like what it says?
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored
Its as valid as you saying that ur proof of ur ancesters.
Earthquakes caused by God?? so now your confusing Christianity, with an ancient Greek religion, way to go to proving ur own ignorance yeaa!!. give ur self a pat on the back.... i'll give myself a face palm
God exists outside of time and space therefore our rules do no apply to him, just like anything that exists outside of time and space. Science 101 genius
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"Earthquakes caused by God?? "
You said a painting has a painter, why doesnt an earthquake need an earthquake maker?
Why doesnt a snokeflake need a snowflake maker?
(answer is you just want to apply your stupid invalid argument to your baseless religion)
"God exists outside of time"
Another baseless assumption you make up.
Dont like the part where your god of the bible lives in the clouds?
Again NO evidence this magical maker is a god let alone yours!
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored
Snoflakes and Earthquakes are the result of Cycle that begin when the World was created. ..Just like a car has its maker, but a car also gives out fumes, do the fumes have a maker, well no they come from the car, that was made by a maker
Ps God is all around us clouds or not
Go open a book educate urself, before coming back, ur ignorance is quite pathetic, even a 7 year old could put up a better arguement than you
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored This arguement is clearly over.
You clearly have no idea about religion, as ur confusing Greek Myth's with Christianity.
And
You have no clue about science as u do not even know of it's simplest laws, so what apart from you name calling and ignorance could you bring to this discussion
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"This arguement is clearly over"
You didnt provide any evidence your basless claim "it was done by somthing" was a god let alone yours.
TOO SCARED TO ANSWER
WHAT MAKES SNOWFLAKES!
LOL
So tell me a totally stuffed up incorrect bible is proof of a god that cant write a book correctly?
That fails to even get xtians to agree what an xtian is!
"You have no clue about science"
LOL nothing you said is science!
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored
Again all u can bring to the discussion, is ignorance and assumptions i explained about ur snowflakes and earthquakes. yet u still come up with ur childish arguements
Everything i said was science, but of course you wouldn't know what science was if it hit u in the face would ya now
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"Everything i said was science"
LOL thats why theres never been any peer reviwed paper written claiming what you did?
NOT SCIENCE!
"begin when the World was created"
Created by nartural processes? just like snowflakes. Unless you have evidence (Tho you have no idea what the word means) that the world was created by magic and not a natural process?
The bible says yoru god lives inthe clouds, thats why it was scared of the tower of bable, THEY WHERE GOING TO GET IT! LOL
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored
Claiming what i did? Its all backed up just cos u haven't read any papers doesn't mean they don't exist. Again ur talkin with ur ignorance, so u think:
Cars don't give out fumes?
So there is no such thing as Laws of time and space?
So Earthquakes and snowlfakes are not part of a Cycle wich begin from the worlds creation? Please show me were i was wrong?
Again ur getting confused about magic and God. seriously arent u tired of failing so bad?
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"Claiming what i did? "
You claimed you proved god with science (Snicker) if this is true, you have published a peer reviewed article showing this. WHERE IS IT?
"Please show me were i was wrong?"
LOL educating a creatard? IMPOSSIBLE
You accept snowflakes are made by natural causes!
AS I ASKED LAST TIME
PROVIDE EVIDENCE THE WORLD WAS CREATED BY MAGIC AND NOT NATURAL CAUSES!
"Again ur getting confused about magic and God"
Please explain (This will be funny)
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"Its all backed up just cos u haven't read any papers doesn't mean they don't exist"
Please supply this papers details. I bet it doenst exist and is imaginary as your god!
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored so Laws of Times and Space don't exist???
Wow u really don't have a clue about science do you?
an Idiot is some one who refuses to learn and refuses to keep his mouth shut, remind u of someone?
You can keep bringin lies to the table and question science all u want with ur ignorance
C ya i'm out,
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"TY?? "
LOL
Rules of times? Bet you cant do your times tabels. Since you didnt finish high school. What year did you fail out?
Funny how you accept snowflakes happen without magic by natural causes then when asked to provide evidence the earth was done by magic you fail to provide any as usual!
Running off because you cant explain why your god got defeated by iron chariots? LOL
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored You don't know when you have been beaten do you?
MrHayeMekka 2 days ago
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@MrHayeMekka
"You don't know when you have been beaten do you?"
LOL let me guess a stupid bible pretending ignorant who didnt finish high school!
Atleast your god knew when it was beaten BY IRON CHARIOTS! LOL So says the bible!
If you want imaginary friend atleast get one thats bnot so crap!
IRON CHARIOTS! LOL
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored Ive got better things than to argue with an uneducated man about Science who keeps bringin up pointless things because he has no clue what science is
Oh and Tower of Bable was men thinking they could become Gods by building a tower.. Called blasthemy. Anothe failed point by you
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"argue with an uneducated man"
LOL wrong yet again, I bet you didnt even finish high school thats very common for the fundies here on TY.
"Oh and Tower of Bable"
Yes your bible says your god was scared of the men coming to get him on his cloud!
Do you believe the bible tower of bable story?
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored TY?? Do u even know that Y comes before T in the word Youtube?, lol freakin loser
Lol the Bible never says God was scared or men were gonna raid the clouds and get God. hahahaha So now ur lying to prove a point, uv not answered a single question of mine, and just keep bringin up irrelevent things to change the subject and use lies to back urself up. Not gonna waste time arguing with an idiot who knowingly lies to prove a point
AlexiusMoore 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
"Laws of Times and Space don't exist???"
Never said they dont!
It has nothing to do with cliaming your magical thingy did it.
Or that theres scientific papers saying it did! LOL
"uv not answered a single question of mine"
LOL how funny, You havent supplied any evidence, let alone for your god existing and it done it. I ask every time.
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
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@AlexiusMoore
AGAIN I ASKED FOR EVIDENCE
YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR GOD EXISTS.
YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR GOD DONE IT!
All you have done is argue for some imaginary creature, god, pixie/s unicorn doing it.
Theres a reason you dont try to do it.
We all know why it is!
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
Bet you dont know your bible very well. Can you supply the reference and quote the bible where it says
Your god was defeated by the men because they had IRON chariots!
LOL
Bet you never talked about that part of the buybull at brain washing club!
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@AlexiusMoore
AGAIN I ASKED FOR EVIDENCE
YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR GOD EXISTS.
YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR GOD DONE IT!
All you have done is argue for some imaginary creature, god, pixie/s unicorn doing it.
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
He didnt break his heart cos he still believes he had his experience with God.
Secondly Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, so he ignoranlty messed up there.
3rdly Darwkins was born in a Christian country so by his own theory he should be a Christian?
4thly i dare say that Hinduis is more of a passive religion, and is more of a cultural influence rather than spiritual one,
Damm i wish i was there to ask him questions? instead of a guy who was not upto it, staged!!
AlexiusMoore 3 days ago
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@AlexiusMoore "Secondly Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, so he ignoranlty messed up there." => LOL no, Muslims don't believe Jesus is God. That's a key difference.
"Darwkins was born in a Christian country so by his own theory he should be a Christian?" => yeah, he WAS.
Casshyr 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore "i dare say that Hinduis is more of a passive religion, and is more of a cultural influence rather than spiritual one," => all religions are culturally influence. You think the concept of Christmas wasn't borrowed from previous beliefs? You think Noah's flood wasn't influenced by a previous faith?
Casshyr 3 days ago
@Casshyr Thst not wht i mean. I live in a full street of Indians, they dont take hinduism seriously, they dont pray or anything, yet they still follow their identity as hindu.
Christmass isn't mentioned in the Bible so how can it be borrowed from another religion?
So what religion was Noah's Ark was Borrowed from?
AlexiusMoore 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore look up on google religions with a flood involved, and count the numbers.I'll give you one example: ancient egyptians had plenty of flood myths too.
Christmas is treated as a Christian holiday by Christians, but it is obviously borrowed. Look up history of Christmas (from a non-Christian source, so it's not biased).
Casshyr 3 days ago
@Casshyr Christmas is celebrated in the western culture, not christianity. Its not conisdered a Holy day by Christians. Its a western holiday just like Bank holiday.
The Egyption flood story is totally different to Noahs Ark.
The reason Christians keep preaching and annoying people, is because they re trying to save peoples soul's so you can't really blame them. If anything you could say the asians don't give a shit about us cos they dont even bother to try and save ur soul lol
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@AlexiusMoore "Its not conisdered a Holy day by Christians" => lol i beg to differ. I spent 10 years in church. Christmas is like the biggest thing for them, along with Easter! They think it's Christ's birthday! (despite the evidence that it's not..)
"The Egyption flood story is totally different to Noahs Ark." => of course not. It's inspiration. It's all about inspiration. Ancient people are always fascinated by floods, and make myths about them.
Casshyr 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore "don't give a shit about us cos they dont even bother to try and save ur soul lol" => no...i've been to a buddhist temple before. They try not to preach to me at first, but when i showed interest.. oh boy do they preach!! They only preach if they see you are actually interested!! Whereas in Christianity, they preach even when you don't want to hear it!
Casshyr 3 days ago
@Casshyr Cool so what did the Buddhist preach?
I didn't realise that they preached
AlexiusMoore 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore message is essentially the same for them, just like all religions. It's all about finding peace in your life, finding a passion, the purpose. They also talk a lot about enlightenment and gaining a sharper sense of awareness. But in the end, if you focus on the core parts, all religions aim to try to make you into a better person and give you a sense of purpose + peace/love.
(which sounds good on the surface until you get to the gritty details)
Casshyr 3 days ago
@Casshyr Gritty Details?
AlexiusMoore 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore stuff like sexism, abortion, homosexuality, church vs state...
Casshyr 3 days ago
@AlexiusMoore "they dont take hinduism seriously"=> it depends who you know..i know a few Indians who treat their belief very seriously, statues of their deities, religious rules that they follow day and night...it depends who you talk to. But that's one thing i like about Asian religions. They are generally more...peaceful. Christians are all about conversion, spreading the gospel like a virus. Asians tend to be more private..
Casshyr 3 days ago
00:16
thats when Dawkens gets ready to pwn that idiot :D
Unguidedone 3 days ago
Depending on where you're born determines the type of brainwashing you shall receive.
LifeInPepperland 3 days ago 13
@LifeInPepperland
I don't think he broke his heart!
1. depending on where/when your born theory maybe true
but that doesn't make the existence of the Judeo/christian God not true.
Simataa 3 days ago
@LifeInPepperland And the way you're raised largely determines whether you'll end up a bigot.
432ps1 16 hours ago
@kibo3232 Exactly. It's not like he enjoys saying that to people that care about it so much, but there is no other alternative.
BER2ERKER 3 days ago
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Well, there was no kinder way to say that.
kibo3232 4 days ago
I think Dawkins handled that in an excellent way.
notincredibly 5 days ago
"Jesus Christ, who is the Rrrrrrrock"
philipheubeck 5 days ago
First off, I meant scientific fact is not 100%...look it up before you get all angry and start abusing people. I'm not religous either before you jump to conclusion as you do with the 0.1% that is unproved in science. It is imposible to prove anything...that is a FACT. Look at a philosophy book. Scientific fact is not 100% therefore relies on some faith, therefore is a religion. You believe in other things just choose to not believe in God as you don't like the idea, that is all
SageAndOnions 6 days ago
@SageAndOnions if your going to argue proof versus probability then sure you may technically win philosophically but you fail in practicality, i seriously doubt you go around ignoring what is logically accepted as fact (oh and since you like philosophy look up logic) for instance when 20 people tell you that you stink and need to shower, and you smell your pits and they do smell, i guess you could always argue for them to prove it lol
grindtildeath 5 days ago
@SageAndOnions It is true that does not claim to prove anything 100%. It just looks at all the evidence and draws a conclusion about the most likely answer. Some things have so much evidence that there is very close to 100% certainty - in fact so close that it is 100% for all practical purposes. There can never be absolute proof that there is no God. All we can do is look at the evidence and draw our own conclusions.
fecklessmovies 5 days ago
@fecklessmovies My conclusion is that there is not enough evidence to prove that there is a God. This is not require faith, and is not a religion. It is probably best described as a theory based on the available evidence.
fecklessmovies 5 days ago
@SageAndOnions Sorry, first sentence should say "Science does not claim to prove anything 100%"
fecklessmovies 5 days ago
@fecklessmovies Well yeah, that is a good point. I mean, I study Psychology anyway so it's not like I don't think science is correct...it's just that a lot of atheists I've talked to seem very ignorant, which actualy hinders research into areas which have to do with 'supernatural' things, so what I'm trying to do is make people think outside the box a little, and question what they think is correct, as without doing so, no new research can be made...cont
SageAndOnions 4 days ago
@SageAndOnions ...I think that it is very probable that there is existence outside of this physical Universe but ofcourse this is very hard to prove. People may think of this religiously, but really it makes no difference. I think the answer lies in frequencies, or vibrations, of light, and how consciousness effects what we call matter. For example, a different dimension (supernatural for now) can just be a matter of a different frequency, such as is the difference between two colours, for e.g
SageAndOnions 4 days ago
@SageAndOnions Why do you think it's probable there is existance outside of this physical Universe?
daverowbotham 3 days ago
@daverowbotham Because what we call physical reality is just one range of frequencies out of many that our bodies are able to detect, and therefore to us seem physical and real. Your mind creates this illusion based on the frequencies it recieves through the 5 senses, and the illusion is many-layered as well. These frequencies go beyond the range which is detectable by our bodies, however. That is why I strongly believe that existence outside the 'physical' is possible
SageAndOnions 2 days ago
@SageAndOnions Reality is not an illusion. If you think it is, heres a simply test you can do. Stop eating, and see how long you live.
Clearly you completely fail to understand what electromagnetic radiation is, and your bandying around terms that are used in science to make yourself sound authoratative. But here's the thing, my professional work requires an understanding of this, and what your saying makes you sound like a complete dick.
daverowbotham 2 days ago
@daverowbotham Well actualy, it may be possible to live without eating...take a look at this video /watch?v=EhEHGGt33hM...I am here to learn by discussing topics which interest me, not to sound authoratative. If you know something more than me about this then please point me to the right direction rathar than insulting me needlessly. Prove me wrong. And how would you explain the double slit experiment if reality is so real then?
SageAndOnions 2 days ago
@SageAndOnions "Well actualy, it may be possible to live without eating"
No, no it isn't possible to live without eating.
As for proving you wrong, no, that's not how logic works, you are making claims , the burdern of proof is on you to provide the evidence.
Youtube is too short a forum to explain the double slit experiment, I suggest you might like to start with the wikipedia article on it and follow the *cited* facts explained there.
daverowbotham 2 days ago
@SageAndOnions You are right, a lot of atheists are ignorant... although they are not aware of it, they do a lot to hinder the cause that they think they are helping. As for supernatural occurrences - fine, but I do get annoyed with certain Christians who deny that anything supernatural can occur EXCEPT for their chosen events e.g. the resurrection.
fecklessmovies 2 days ago
I have had some interesting debates with some very intelligent Christians. But ultimately there is never a conclusion to the debate because it always comes back to "I opened my heart to Jesus and I just knew..." or a more subtle distinction which is that we have both considered all the available evidence and formed a belief 'beyond a reasonable doubt' yet we have both concluded different things.
fecklessmovies 2 days ago
@fecklessmovies Yes, this annoys me about Christians as well...also, the fact that taking part in what some people consider natural, others supernatural, activities is evil and 'occult'. I think all facets of human life need to be explored fully so that we can understand ourselves better and progress as a species. We are only at the beginning stages of true scientific discovery I think. This past century will act as a catalyst for the coming years of revolutionary break-throughs, I think.
SageAndOnions 2 days ago
So is Dawkins saying people believe what their nation believes? That's funny because it's pretty hard to find a nation without Christians, including Afghanistan, and they're not living in Christian nations. What about Catholicism Dawkins? Where do all those Catholics come from, Catholic Land? Another weak argument by the big Dick.
bulldogbell1980 6 days ago
@bulldogbell1980 close but no cigar, he's saying if you were born in one of the places he names, the probability is great that you would subscribe to the major religion of that area rather than christianity, religions which have a much longer tradition in those areas than christianity. However feel free to argue that in some cases christianity has violently forced itself into countries and is presently a higher percentage because of it. Have a nice day!
grindtildeath 5 days ago
@grindtildeath Thanks for the freedom to argue that. I understand what Dawkins was saying, that's why I posted. Christ never said, "Hey, my message is a weak one. Go and kill our neighbor infidels and convert their people to Christianity." Mankind walks with evil, including Christians, there is no arguing that. Present day, all the Christians I know love Jesus by choice, not because they were beaten to believe. Have a great day!
bulldogbell1980 5 days ago
@bulldogbell1980 What he did say that if you are born in a certain area in a certain
time the propability that you belong to the largest faith there are huge. You do realise
that there are many people around the globe that never have heard about Jebus.
MultiKronblom 5 days ago
@bulldogbell1980 no his point is people generally believe in the religion that they are brought up with. This illustrates no religion is special, but you merely accept it because you grow up with it. Just like how if you grow up eating sushi, then you probably will love sushi more than other food, altho someone else may like steak better than sushi cuz that's what they grow up with. It's to show Christianity is not special. It's merely one of the hundreds of religions out in the world.
Casshyr 5 days ago
@Casshyr Yes yes I understand, thank you. I'll say something simple, I was raised on steak and like sushi more. I didn't know about Jesus until I was around twenty, was never placed inside a church, and it took more than twelve years of pondering and looking for my heart to open. The reason I first looked into Christianity was the archeological evidence that differentiates this religion from the others. You have yourself a good one
bulldogbell1980 5 days ago
@bulldogbell1980 yep that's why i used the word "generally", cuz i understand there are always exceptions. You have a good day too.
Casshyr 5 days ago
what a dumb answer by Dawkins. He dont know nothing about Jesus does he, lol
tnafguy1 6 days ago
@tnafguy1 he don't know nothing, meaning he knows everything. well done for contradicting yourself.
rebelyelleasyrider 5 days ago
@rebelyelleasyrider wow, i know , its called a double negative. I knew some troll might say something.. i actually figured not, but surprise. oh well, later
tnafguy1 5 days ago
You need no longer doubt the nature of the Creator of the Universe. You may now know the mind of God, clearly, without hallucination.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by iron-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
See ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 6 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
At sageandonions, you are hallucinating, seek help.
GdaleKing 6 days ago
Thing is though, fact does not exist...science cannot prove anything 100%. Fact is 99.9%, not 100%, so why people blindly jump to science being 100% right is beyond me. It is pure ignorance. On top of this, science is built on assumptions, which means nothing but belief. Atheism is therefore the same thing as religion as both are built on faith. How about we just take it easy and appreciate this crazy world we live on instead of bickering. Maybe less people would suffer
SageAndOnions 6 days ago
@SageAndOnions Did you get any education or are you really this stupid? Science is not a belief. science is knowledge attained through study or practice. Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. This system uses observation and experimentation to describe and explain natural phenomena. The term science also refers to the organized body of knowledge people have gained using that system.
o0zeroeffect0o 6 days ago
@SageAndOnions if not for science, scientists and science projects you would not have a computer, car, engines, plastic, microchips, BANANAS, knowledge of DNA, study of dinosaurs, your ipod/iphone touch screens, i can go on and on. so what was your point again? LOL fail.
o0zeroeffect0o 6 days ago
@SageAndOnions science is built on knowledge gained from testing/hard work. your BIBLE and your belief system, and your flying invisible man in the sky is an assumption. you assume there is an invisible man in the sky, you assume there is a lava pit waiting for you below the earth with a demon waiting to poke your ass with a fork LOL. you seem very lazy, why dont you stop being lazy and gain some knowledge. you come off as an idiot.
o0zeroeffect0o 6 days ago
@SageAndOnions Fact is 99.9%? Stand on the edge of a cliff. Jump. You will splat 100%. That's the thing about facts. They are 100% facts.
Oh, and atheism is a religion in the same way that "Off" is a TV channel.
TomFynn 6 days ago
@SageAndOnions Are you seriously that ignorant and arrogant? Science proves things by 100%, until then its called a theory or hypothesis. A theory in science is something they have evidence of, tested, and made experiments about, but still lacks something - Thus its not complete, yet.
Science is not a belief. Secondly neither is atheism, its the lack of faith. Why the fuck do religious people insist on calling it a religion when it clearly isn't?
WingsOfVengence 6 days ago
ooooook the guy who made this video seems a bot of a smug cunt with that clip at the end.they guy simply has a diferent beleif
pinball281 1 week ago
Oh Richard what we gonna do with you
superspinclaw 1 week ago
Ouch.
SuperWikiMan 1 week ago
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What a set up. The Christian man was blatantly a friend of Dork-ins, advancing a weak argument.
hatloverxxx 1 week ago
the western internet generation is really turning its back on garbage and becomming a new American Baby.
Pentdad 1 week ago
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MrBetoleo 1 week ago
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If Atheist are right and their is no God than it doesnt really matter what anybody belives because at the end every body dies anyways so their is no point in making fun at anybody. I personally weight the pros and cons of believing in God. . Best case scenario is i die and go to heaven. worse case scenario is nothing happens. For atheist best case scenario is nothing happens after death worse case scenario they are wrong and go to hell.
MrBetoleo 1 week ago
If you can't be yourself by yourself, you have a problem. Religious people might be wrong, but they still deserve to be respected and treated with dignity as do all humans. Bigotry in the name of science makes you no less of a bigot. The eerie thing is Science/atheism is starting to look a little more like a Religion
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous "Religious people might be wrong, but they still deserve to be respected and treated with dignity as do all humans." Of course they deserve respect, just as much as anyone does, however their beliefs don't. Theism has garnered a totally unmerited level of respect, when it actually deserves none. If they want to believe in ridiculous things then fine go for it, but they better be prepared for ridicule.
ClosedAperture 1 week ago 25
@ClosedAperture The problem is these aren't people with light hypothetical beliefs. These peoples beliefs are them. Perhaps unmerited, many things still remain to be seen. I disbelief in a God because as of now there is not sufficient evidence, however I have not ruled out the possibility that future evidence for God may reveal itself. You could say the same thing of an artist who chooses to adopt unconventional attire. "Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool."
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@ClosedAperture By being the one who subjects others to ridicule you undermine your own integrity and dignity. A respectable, dignified person should not fall to that level, especially since ridicule was the same cheap method theocrats once used to negate or discredit the findings and theories of Scientists. Of course as history has shown, being ridiculed does make the one being ridiculed wrong.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@ClosedAperture you say that the belief is ridiculous but in all honesty what gives you the right to take a new thing like evolution and compare it to a belief that has been around for a few thousand years?
ikwhereyoulive00 1 week ago
@ikwhereyoulive00 just because it has been around for a long time doesn't mean its right. if i have a hypothesis that is incorrect now, it will still be incorrect in 3000 years
iRoxorzUrSoxorz 1 week ago
@ikwhereyoulive00 evolution is not belief. It is fact. Do you think gravity is a belief? Gravity is also a theory. Yet I think you'd avoid jumping off a building because its a 'theory' or 'belief'
Znybar 1 week ago
@Znybar what is it with people like you that have to pick at little things to avoid the argument? if you don't have the brains to understand what i meant then maybe you shouldn't be replying to my comments
ikwhereyoulive00 1 week ago
@ikwhereyoulive00 I would say it's the crux of the argument. You consider evolution to be a belief rather than fact. Any scientist will tell you, evolution is as much a 'belief' as the fact that the sky is blue. This is a huge mistake on theists' part, as they consider that evolution is a belief system, when it is in fact an observation of evidence.
Znybar 1 week ago
@Znybar i say belief as in, do you "believe" that it is true, you should be quite able to understand what i mean, and you are completely ignoring the whole point of the argument by picking at little things that have almost no relevance, of course we can bicker about how important my "Mistake" is but that is a waste of time, unless you have something that has to do with the video or the original argument then please don't reply
ikwhereyoulive00 6 days ago
@ClosedAperture I'd like to add that if any religious person attempts to force their beliefs on you or me, through chapel services at school/grace at dinner that sort of thing, does not have the the right to be offended when I make fun of their beliefs. I don't make fun of religious people at other times because it's not important, but when they attempt to force their insane beliefs on me, I will ruthlessly mock them.
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N1ckVBe 1 week ago
I'm an atheist but I detest the open ridicule, condescension and undermining of religious people. If it becomes widespread, that is if if gets off of You Tube and out of intellectual spheres, it could lead to something as horrific as the holocaust. I think Dawkins needs to really look at what he is trying to do here, he's a great biologist, but he's an inept humanist and I'm very suspicious of him as I am of anyone who is this compelled to impose their paradigm of thought on others.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Really? You think ridiculing silly beliefs leads to genocide? Like the great santaists genocide in 1998? Or the ghostists genocide of 1978?
Never in human history has the ridicule of silly beliefs let to genocide.
N1ckVBe 1 week ago
@N1ckVBe
Yes it did , Soviet Russia many Catholics and Jews were murderd for "there silly beliefs". And don't blaim this on communism.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl In that case, I can blame Nazi Germany on Christianity.
And they didn't start out with ridicule to move on to genocide. They never ridiculed, in fact. It was the removal of anything that threatened their authority. Those that obeyed to what they believed was a higher authority were removed. Opposition was removed as well. But I guess that was also because of atheism, right guys?
N1ckVBe 1 week ago
@N1ckVBe
They had no respect for religion , they burned down churches and buried many jews alive because they were religious , Mao walked across China and shot anyone who disagreed with the new communist agenda which included the abolishment of religion.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl And Hitler thought he was doing God's work.
What is your point exactly? Evil people are evil regardless of religion or no religion.
N1ckVBe 1 week ago
@N1ckVBe
No one knows what religion Hitler was (don't get me wrong he was baptized) but he had only ever 1 quote supporting a Christian belief ,but had several supporting pagan belief.
My point is Atheism has and can lead to genocide.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl He wrote in Mein Kampf he was a fervent christian.
Power and corruption leads to genocide. Have you ever heard of common people starting genocide? Didn't think so.
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@N1ckVBe
"Have you ever heard of common people starting genocide"
When did I make that claim?
"He wrote in Mein Kampf he was a fervent christian"
Where?
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
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You're damn wrong in that. Atheists may have committed genocide but they didn't do it because they were atheists. Hitler had a moustache, how would you feel if i said having a moustache can lead to genocide? It's a ridiculous point to make.
turlough06 1 week ago
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I'm not going to repeat myself , They went in to chuches and killed them because they were Christian and buried Jews alive because they were Jewish. Mao killed anyone who didn't accept communism Including atheism.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl
That may be true but what part of having a non-belief in a god asks you to kill people? The answer is nowhere! However, there are scripts in a lot of religions which actually promotore violence against non-believers. I'm not saying all religious people are, or all atheists are good. But you can't say that atheism can objectively lead to genocide because that's bullshit.
turlough06 1 week ago
@turlough06 You are either a shallow thinker or you are being deliberately obstinate. Opposing fractions form from even the most minor differences. Take for instance Protestants and Catholics, black people and white people. It is not so much the differences, nor is it the doctrine that leads to genocide or mass-persecution. Rather it is the gained acceptance of the marginalization/division/condescension/ridicule/forced assimilation of that group of people that leads to extermination.
12Ominous 1 week ago
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My point was it can and has lead to genocide.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl "buried Jews alive because they were Jewish" Yes, sounds very Christian of them.
TomFynn 1 week ago
*SIGH*
The soviet union were atheists.
lxAgnosticxl 1 week ago
@lxAgnosticxl the egyptions were christian Athiests and they seemed to be doing fine.
Areyourealythatdumb 1 week ago
@N1ckVBe Ridicule is very dangerous, it is the act of stripping a person of their humanity/alienation. Not only is it divisive and pernicious to that individual, it can escalate to the point where that group of people becomes viewed as a lesser class/sub-human. Ridicule is a cloaked form of prejudice and discrimination. The Jews were openly ridiculed well before they were shipped off to concentration camps and mass-exterminated. Of course ridicule remains always present throughout.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Humbug. Bullshit must be called bullshit. Otherwise we'd still be stuck with iron age fairy tales. If you can't face the facts, get the fuck out of public debate.
TomFynn 1 week ago
@TomFynn If you remove all the "bullshit" from the world, that is if by bullshit you mean to say things invented by humans, rather it be fairy tales, art, films, ideas, there wouldn't be anything left. But I don't expect you to be able to think deeply enough in order to see the slippery slope that your perspective places you on. With that kind of attitude you might as well just die.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous "art, films, ideas," do not pretend to be anything else than fantasies. Religions do. That's the difference.
TomFynn 1 week ago
@TomFynn Everything starts as fantasy, even science.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Yes, and then people use evidence to discern the fantasy from the fact.
TomFynn 1 week ago
@12Ominous Wrong.Science starts as theory which you could argue is the same as fantasy and I would agree with you. Where scientists and theists differ is that scientists subject their fantasies to endless scutiny and attempts to disprove them to see if they survive in all cases. Only then will something be considered fact. Theists consider thier fantasies fact and use words like faith and blasphemy to discourage people from even questioning them because they know that what they have wont survive
ilrichard 1 week ago 2
@ilrichard actually, after those steps it becomes a theory... at first it is an idea which, if it is a good one might become a hypothesis, and if that hypothesis survives everything that is tried to disprove it, it will become a theory - but never ever a fact! (altough saying a correct theory is not a fact seems kind of like arguing semantics) ...
Theism stops at the idea and either starts the spamming of unbelievers or just sits there happily without worrying about that idea making sense...
RayPism 1 week ago
@ilrichard Science at no point is fantasy. Any scientific idea is based around a hypothesis, which is derived from logical observations. If something is of fantasy, it ceases to be science.
TheFoxxxyMama 4 days ago
@12Ominous No science starts as an understanding.
Sean117Ply 1 week ago
What a silly question! What you tell a man who believed all his life that the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese? Sorry, buddy!
ClueBand 1 week ago
do you people understand....do you people understand how sexy dawkins is?
kingkonghitme 1 week ago
I think Dawkins was kind to the guy. Hallucinating is a mild expression for the problem of someone who thinks he walks and talks with an invisible super powerful zombie. I'd have suggested a psychiatrist or a mental hospital.
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12Ominous 1 week ago
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@clogtowner The same can be said for any individual who believes his actions are important; his life has significance. Delusion (the correct term you are looking for) is a vital function, part of the human condition, without it we would all just curl up into a ball and die.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@clogtowner well what dawkins said only works up to a point. of course if he was in india he'd be worshiping said god but what if his parents never raised him on those beliefs and they raised him christian? or he found out about Christianity?
ikwhereyoulive00 1 week ago
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The poor guy was raised on lies and now he is crazy. Keep telling yourself religion isn't so bad. Take a good look at the outcome. He is the same type of crazy, that could easily be talked into strapping a bomb to himself.
qixxxz 1 week ago
Since when does it make him wrong. Dawkins says the same repetitive shit to every argument. If you were born during blah blah blah. How do we know that Zeus, Shiva, JuJu is not the same god, just from a different language? That is the point, you are placing all of your eggs in the basket of atheist beliefs. Do you ever really wonder if you may be wrong? Dawkins does not, or does he?
Joel9046 1 week ago
@Joel9046 The problem is that each religion has a distinct system of beliefs, there are multiple debates that are posted on youtube between Christian and Muslim philosophers/theologists, for instance, where they agree that these religions are non-inclusive. If you do think that it may be all the same being, then notice you do not know how to worship such a deity. You do not know whether he is kind or evil, or even how such a being would react to your form of worship of him (if he exists).
Amemti 1 week ago
@Joel9046 I think many Christians would be upset if Jesus looked like Ganesh (an elephant.) The argument is strong and clear - that's why he repeats it. I wonder what the guy could tell us about the appearance of Jesus, his voice, his language and whether he has a belly button.
clogtowner 1 week ago
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@Joel9046 Uh...because we're not idiots. Every one of these doctrines are nonsensical texts riddled with contradiction. What do you suggest otherwise? Better be good in case we're wrong? Why not - just be good? Why should it matter whether there's a God or not? No man could possibly know what it wants, so why pretend to people.
ponchred 1 week ago