just wanted to say that the reason Why god allowed the bible to be tampered with is because it had come to the people and served its purpose for that period of time, but was not needed for all eternity as another messenger would come after jesus pbuh with new scripture. whereas the quran was kept safe after as there is nothing to come after it, so it has to stand the test of time. but check out many works from biblical scholars who have found many changes through their studies. all the best.
If what you are saying is true, that the Bible served its purpose for that time period, then can you explain why Quran 5:68 tells People of the Book (Jews and Christians), that they have "no ground to stand upon, unless they 'stand firm upon the Torah and Injil'"? Also, IF what you are saying is true, then you DON'T have to believe all the books of Allah and you CAN make distinction between Allah's books, true?
@ItsAmadWorld2 firstly, please don't take my answers as The answer, as im not a scholar.i would advise if you have questions please ask a scholar or known knowledgeable figure as they can answer sufficiently. I'm just trying to be helpful. but we believe in them all as they all came from God and we acknowledge this etc. but Quran was sent to us. we can take from them what is the same as Quran as you know its a consistent msg and then coming from god and not man.
@ItsAmadWorld2 y they are told to stay firm to their book - well ideally God would have them come to his last instruction, but if they refuse it, then at least stick 2 the scripture that has came beforehand so atleast ur on some sort of truth & not complete falshood.. then thats the only ground url actually have to stand upon. If you do follow your book, part for part, then god will go easyier on judgement day IA. plus, its not too diff than Islam part from a few changes here and there.
22:46 " So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. "
What's that have to do with the Quran saying the Torah is LIKE the Quran? Doesn't the Quran say to bring something LIKE the Quran? Doesn't the Quran say the Torah is LIKE it? If so, didn't I just bring something LIKE the Quran by quoting from the Torah? Oh those "clear signs handed down", right?
Are you saying Quran 6:91 contradicts the part of the Quran that says the Torah is not only "guidance and light", but,, is LIKE the Quran? The Quran IS contradictory?
Ur not even close! 39:28 "[It is] an Arabic Qur'an, without any deviance that they might become righteous." quran is in Arabic , cannot be in any other language! that is ur huge mistake :) which shows ur lack of knowledge of Quran characteristics and structure! that agian weakens ur argument! Try again :)
Look man! It clear that u r not truly seeking answers for ur questions or any kind of truth, u just want to disbelieve to avoid being committed to a religion especially if it doesn't go well with ur life style! I guess :) I only have one challenge for u..( produce a surah like the Quran ) if u did it i'm welling to convert from Islam :)
Produce a surah LIKE the Quran? How about "Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten,
bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived." How is THATf? Isn't THAT "producing a surah like unto the Quran"? :)
47:19 ((So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah and ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women. And Allah knows of your movement and your resting place.))
Jesus said that God is only one and that he was a messenger of God , the rest are fabrications! The majestic "we" in Arabic means royality ... And doesn't represent the number , ur ignorance in the language effects ur argument :)
"We" means royalty? How about "Us" and "Our"? By the way, royalty or not, why should Allah USE this "royalty" when shirk is unforgiveable? Did you know that the ONLY one who uses the majestic we in the Injeel is a demon possessed man called "Legion", for he had many demons? Why was it only in the Quran that Allah would start copying a demon possessed man and start getting "royal"? You say the "rest are fabrications"? If so, can you explain Quran 4:136, 150, 151, 152 and 2:285?
And another thing ! can u produce a sura like it..? If u could which I confedently doubt .. Then come and talk to me about Quran possibility of being fabricated :)
IF I took a surah from the Quran, changed some words and meanings, it would no longer be that surah. However, it would still be LIKE. So, yeah, I can produce a surah LIKE it.
god has a son and etc .. That means that u don't believe on "the one and only God", this is the message of all the prophets and religions including Jesus .. that is the biggest crime ever denying ur creator! And don't ask for forgiveness for that cuz God provided u with all the knowledge u need but instead u deny it ... Again , if ur heart is true and u really want to find truth God will never misguide u :)
It's not the biggest crime in the Injeel to believe God is able to have a Son. The biggest crime in the Injeel is to believe God is Satan. By the way, IF it's the biggest crime to believe God has a Son or partner, why does Allah use the "Majestic We" so much?
God is mercifull no one would go to hell if he doesn't deserve to :) .. Well, I'm doing the same , I was searching for truth since i was 8 and the more i search the more i become faithfull and thankfull for being muslim, believe me u will find the truth and God will never missguide u if ur heart is true...that's a guarantee!
According to Quran 4:116 and 4:48, if you ever partnered with Allah, it is unforgiveable. Thus, there is no hope for you if you ever were a Christian who stood firm upon the Injeel and believed God had a Son.
And if you are in doubt as to which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sura like it, and call on your helper, besides Allah, if you are truthful. (Qur'an 2:23)
I can believe in Quran despite of my knowledge that the bible is corrupted..why?? Because Quran is written in Arabic in a miraculous way.. Every Arabic language specialist can notice that. No human before or after can write such a book. Its impossible for humans or jinn to fabricate the Quran due to its structure and characteristics. Its the biggest miracles of the prophet Mohamad pbuh. It includes many scientific facts that were discovered lately. It includes many historical facts as well, tha
The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like Him; and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.
also in chapter 19 verses 65 it says Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, so worship Him (Alone) and be constant and patient in His worship. Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (of course none is similar or co-equal or comparable to Him, and He has none as partner with Him). [There is nothing like Him and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer].
I dont no how you come to this conclusion after reading the Holy Quran. No where does it say or indicate in the Quran that Allah has any offsprings. How ever it does say in chapter 112
also a valid point is, Allah only makes something a sin once someone has comitted that sin, for example the first murder in the world, after this the act was forbidden and so on. since the time of Adam and Eve peace be upon them their have only been a few books revealed, first was the torah and maybe Allah saw that these people are changing my book, i mean these are the same people who wanted jesus on the cross then we have the bible also been changed but finaly we have quran with a seal
the bible is currupted but at the same time alot of it correct in what it says. and the world knows this fact so why are we going round in circles. on the other hand you have the quran which has never been changed as Allah protects it ALSO A FACT. so my Brother i like to invite you to islam go to your local mosque and talk to the brothers. ur not from nyc by ne chance lol
IF the Bible is corrupt, what is the point of Quran 4:136? IF the Bible is corrupt, well, isn't the Bible "Allah's words"? IF the Bible is NOT the "Book" that makes People of the Book, then WHAT is the "Book"? It sounds like the Book is Allah's words.
@MegaBoxer77 look bible was written by Men but yes at the same time it is from Allah but over time this has been changed and we can see it for ourself's. this is the way Allah wants it to be as Allah knows best.... who are we to question why did god want bible to be currupted but as we have brains we can see for ourself
@MegaBoxer77 Allah is not deceiving anyone we all have free will. lets take you as an example, you put up this video and few brothers try and tell you islam is the truth in the best way they can, if you dont take heed then on day of judgement you will know the truth. its not hard all you have believe in is oneness in allah the unseen and his prophets, is it so much to ask.
But, again, isn't Allah being deceitful to have People of the Book STAND on a Book that has Jesus going to the cross? WHY "stand firm" upon something that is a lie ALLAH created IF the Bible is a lie?
@MegaBoxer77 You know the Bible are a collection of studys done by Rabbi's long long time ago on the teachings of the prophets that came befor. They wrote down what they said and what they said was in inspiration from Allah. but the Quran are the words from Allah, which was revealed to Prophet Muhammad through the angel Gabriel. so although we believe in some of the teachings of the bible we put Quran as number 1 as this was the last revealed book.
IF you only believe in SOME parts of the Bible, what is the purpose of Quran 5:68, 4:136 and 10:94? I mean, why come to ME for my reading the "before Scriptures" (Bible), IF you are in doubt about the Quran?
@MegaBoxer77 ammm excuse me when did anyone come to you for the reading of the bible or the quran, just want you to understand the truth.
We follow christianity in which Jesus is a prophet of Allah and their is only ONE Allah, do you agree? if so we are brothers in faith. Plz dont reply just use your head my friend. take care nice chatting
Oh, I believe there is an Allah, and, I believe Allah has no Son. Of course, if you study Islam, it sounds like Allah had three daughters. Adonai, on the other hand, sounds like He has a Son.
The injeel of Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet which contains god’s commands to the sons of Israel can you find it? (it is within the Koran now), and not the bibles ‘’according to’’ people that didn’t neither follow Jesus nor his followers, and voted for Jesus being divine 300 years ad going astray from the way of God and disobeying the teachings of jesus (pbuh).
What makes me think Jesus is God, is the Injeel's Titus 2:13, which says, "while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,"
@MegaBoxer77 yes this is what says the bible (according to !), in jugement day, will you say oh god, but according to X or Y, jesus is god( glory be to god from that) while you read his verses... read the curan with heart, the curan is only according to God!, it is god's personal words and messages, not the opinion of X or Y on the life of jesus or on God........
@MegaBoxer77 this is the God's direct words which contains no doubt, ....... the only 100% god's words book on this planet.....the miracle of the prophet mohammad (pbuh).
.Yes sure I always use my mind even when I'm reading the newspaper! But without a awaken heart!, when sometimes I read the Quran, and the tears fall down my face, it could not happen before my “mind” realize the holy meaning of the verse, it feels like you reserved an instant message from god, like god is speaking to you,and all bones ,nerves ,mind and heart, body and soul are humbling to god….hop you taste it even once before death comes with the certitude.
the coran makes you feel the bible is not corrupted ??First of all you don’t feel the bible is corrupted or not, you realize it with evident proofs from the Koran and the bible.
Not corrupted due to Quran 5:68, 4:136, 10:94, and, of course, the "confirmation and reminding" that the Quran says it does WITH the "Book" (i.e. Bible). HOW can there be confirmation is there is corruption?
@MegaBoxer77 the coran came to confirm from the bible what is from god and to deny what men invented.....even today new bible verses are still be modified and invented, I mean if the bible was 45% true at the prophet’s (pbuh) time today it is only 3% true (from god part) mixed with man's handy works, if we take consideration of the hundreds of bibles that excite, the coran confirms the true part of the (bible) like the true part of the bible confirms the unchanged 100% true coran.
If what you are saying is true, then WHY "stand firm" upon the Bible (see Quran 5:68)? WHY come to me for my READING the Bible IF you are in doubt about the Quran (see 10:94)? Why FOLLOW and OBEY Quran 4:136 IF the Bible is corrupted? HOW can you believe in "Allah's books" and HOW can you believe the messengers IF the Bible is corrupted?
Let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark.--Ezekiel 9:5-6
Well you see brother, Allah revealed one Injeel, now today you see more then 100. There are some things which you can say is still authentic in the Bible's that is the stuff like not to steal, murder etc. The next thing is that there are literally so many contradictions in the bible, that you know it has been corrupted. The Bible wasn't kept in its original script, while the Qur'an is and will be until the end.
IF the Bible is corrupted, as you say (due to there being many versions of it), then HOW can the Quran NOT be a lie when it says Allah's words can't be corrupted? HOW can you follow and obey Quran 4:136 that goes: YUSUFALI: O ye who believe (Muslims)! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture (The Holy Bible) which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books (The Holy Bible), His
(The Holy Bible) which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books (The Holy Bible), His Messengers (Jesus and the Injil), and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray." HOW can YOU follow and obey this scripture, O Omerkha?
You just made my point; It's not the word of God anymore when someone re-writes it. God revealed one Bible not 100+ (like there is today), the other ones have stuff added and deleted-Thus, its not the word of God anymore. Right now if you write a book, and I come and take out half the stuff in it and write my own stuff, Is the book still your word? No, only part of it is.
But, IF the Bible is no longer Allah's words (due to corruption), then HOW come there is Quran 5:68 that tells people of the Book that they have "no ground to stand upon unless they stand FIRM upon the Torah and Injil? WHAT is the Torah and Injil IF they aren't in the Bible? WHAT is the "Book" that makes People of the Book that the Quran talks a lot about? Are not they the Jews and Christians? If so, the Bible is the only thing they usually follow.
Again, IF the Bible is corrupted, WHY "stand firm upon it"? WHY come to me for my READING it, IF you are in doubt about the Quran (10:94)? And, again, IF the "Book" is NOT the Bible, then WHAT is the "Book" that makes PEOPLE of the "Book"?
And One last thing for your convenience and better understanding of the Qur'an, the Yusuf Ali translation uses old english, many people (Including myself) find it hard to understand, If I were you I would use Dr.Mohsin translation it's easier to understand and gives more detail. It completely up to you but its for your convenience. You can find this translation and in Quranexplorer/Quran.website You can also play the audio of the Qur'an it will make play the verses and you can listen and read.
I will USE that Quran. Personally, though, I use Ali, Shakir and Pickthal version of the Quran. There is MORE to read, but, I feel that if one screws up in a translation, the other guy might cover for the screw up.
Just Search up on youtube Muhammad in the Bible and there is like a thousand videos with like different places where it mentions Muhammad in the bible, there's one with a former Christian watch that if you want.
According to the Quran, People of the Book HIDE the truth in the "Book", to the point where Muslims believe P of the B HIDE Muhammad in it. Thanks to the internet, it should be VERY easy to now not even have to obey surah 10:94, but, instead, GO to the internet to find it yourself. So, what is YOUR favorite passage from the "Book", Bible, that you feel is talking about Muhammad where you think Jews and Christians are doing as the Quran says, "hiding" Muhammad?
I didn't understand 2 of your comments; I don't get what you mean't by "P of the B hide" etc, Give references (E.g Chapter, Verse) when mentioning the Qur'an, so I know your not making up stuff.
According to the Quran, People of the Book HIDE the truth in the "Book", to the point where Muslims believe "P of the B" HIDE Muhammad in it. Thanks to the internet, it should be VERY easy to now not even have to obey surah 10:94, but, instead, GO to the internet to find it yourself. So, what is YOUR favorite passage from the "Book", Bible, that you feel is talking about Muhammad where you think Jews and Christians are doing as the Quran says, "hiding" Muhammad?
@MegaBoxer77 Where in the Qur'an does it say the Jews and the Christians are hiding Muhammad? and I think you misunderstood Surah 61 Verse 6, in this verse it just said that Jesus told the Children of Israel that he is a prophet confirming the scripture that came before it (The Torah), and he gave glad tidings of a new messenger who's name will be Ahmad or Muhamamad. Jesus didn't say that Ahmad's name will be in the Torah.
Strange. You are the first Muslim to say that. Well, that would make more sense, because, truthfully, I looked high and low in the Torah, and, couldn't find "Ahmad" even in the Hebrew version.
The Qur'an just says that Muhammad is prophesied in the scriptures of the Past, and through many places in the Bible and Torah we can find that he was.
Surah 10:94 is to be applied in the specific sense, not the general, hence Surah 10:94 is dealing with one specific issue, which if you happen to be in doubt about, then go ask the Christians. (CONTINUED PART 1)
But, WHY heed surah 10:94 when there are SO many Quranic scriptures that say the People of the Book (Christians), HIDE the "truth" in the Bible? I mean, IF the Quran is right about Christians being so dastardly, then WHY heed Quran 10:94 IF you are in doubt about the Quran? Does that make sense?
This then brings us to the next issue, what specific topic is Surah 10:94 referring to, well the specific issue that is being mentioned here is the advent of Muhammad's (AS) prophethood. The Quran is telling the prophet and the Muslims that if you happen to be in doubt about Muhammad (AS) as a prophet, then simply console the people of the book, and they will be able to confirm this is the truth due to the fact that Muhammad (AS) was prophesised and foretold in their own books.
Again, WHY heed surah 10:94 when there are SO many Quranic scriptures that say the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), HIDE the "truth" in the Bible? I mean, IF the Quran is right about Jews and Christians being so dastardly, then WHY heed Quran 10:94 IF you are in doubt about the Quran? Does that make sense? Besides, WON'T Christians talk about Jesus being the Son of God and dying on the cross for your sins? If so, WHY heed Quran 10:94?
Thats my point man, the Surah Yunus Verse 94 is talking about a specific event, thats why you have to read the Tafseer of the Qur'an and not only the translation, because the Qur'an was revealed in a span of 23 years, each verse has its own story behind it and I gave the Tafseer in the message; First of all there is only 1 Qur'an scripture, which is the Qur'an - and Where in the Qur'an does it say the Jews and Christians hide the truth in the bible?
You mean Christians DON'T hide Muhammad in their Bible? Well, what is the "Book" and WHO are the "People of the Book" IF the "Book" is NOT the Bible, and if the "People of the Book" AREN'T Jews and Chrisitans? And why do MUSLIMS say 10:94 is about going to those who KNOW where Muhammad is IN the Bible? Which one should we believe here? Is it Jews and Christians hide Muhammad, GO to them because they know Muhammad in the Bible, or, what?
One of the beauties of the holy Quran is that when we read its verses, which are directed to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) it feels as if God is directly speaking to the person reading it. However, the verse in discussion is more precisely directed to Muhammad himself and nowhere does it mention to “read the bible” but rather “ask those who have been reading the Book.”
Does it matter if surah 10:94 is directed at Muhammad or Muslims? Either way, it leads to the belief that nothing is wrong with the "before Scriptures". And, IF the "before Scriptures" aren't the Bible, then, WHAT are they?
@MegaBoxer77 Yes it does matter if its direct to Muhammad or not, and no thats where you christians don't understand, Many people try to use to verse as an argument but the fail to understand it.
I sent you message through inbox. I'd like to end with this:
"A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not." (Chapter 3 V 69)
May God guide you to the right path and have mercy on all of us. Ameen (Amen)
-Peace be upon he who follows the true Guidance, Take Care bro
So, it's only a FEW Jews and Christians who are in the wrong while the REST you can come to if you are in doubt about Muhammad being in the Quran, and they will show where Muhammad is in the Bible? So Quran 10:94 can be heeded AFTER all? Are you sure?
Verse 10:94 of the holy Quran is another proof of consistencies between God’s message in the Quran and what was reveal before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); it is the same source of revelations and the same message which was sent to Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus and all of God’s prophets
On the contrary to such argument, the verse referenced from 10:94 should be a clear proof that he (Muhammad) did not know much about the stories of the previous prophets and their people, that he was not taught as some claim by a third person who was a Jew or a Christian, that he did not produce the Quran on his own account, but rather he was asked by the Almighty Creator (continued)
So, IF he didn't know about the stories that were in the Quran, WHICH "Book" was he to learn about that got the stories write that would be in AGREEment with the Quran?
He didn't know the stories until they were revealed to him, The Qur'an was revealed in stages over a year of 23 years not just sent to him down write away. He learned the stories after they were revealed to him.
So, you say it's a story thing, NOT him being in the Bible? Well, Muslims say 10:94 is IF Muhammad is in doubt about himself being a prophet in the Quran, he should go to those who read the "before Scriptures" and SEE that he was in the Bible. So, which are we to believe here?
to search and check God’s words if and only if even he – the messenger of God – had any doubts about the source and authenticity of the revelation passed on to
@MegaBoxer77 i Read about Al-Husayn ibn Salam he was the Grand or most learned Rabbi at that time and he accepted Islam after meeting and seeing his character (Of Muhammad (Peace be upon him)), he knew that he was the person that was prophesised in the Torah, so he accepted Islam.
So Muhammad IS in the prophecy of the Torah? Can you show where? I mean, IN this day and age of information at our finger-tips, we don't HAVE to risk having shirk preached to us by going to those who have read the "before Scriptures" like Quran 10:94 commands ONLY Muhammad,, true? We can now FIND it IN the Torah that, apparently his Rabbi was able to find it in HIS Torah during the time of Muhammad, true? If so, SHOW that passage IN the Torah that has Muhammad, please.
@MegaBoxer77 I sent you a video of Zakir naik which shows were it is in the Torah, and the Torah probably has been changed so much since the time of the Prophet (Peace be upon him).
The Quran makes it clear that Muhammad (AS) is prophesised in the previous scriptures: "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands...."(Chapter 7 Verse 157) (Continued)
Since we now have the internet, we now don't have to heed Quran 10:94 and find all those places that REALLY have Muhammad clearly in the Bible Christians are Quranically accused of hiding him in, do we not? So, POST the number one passage from the "Book" that has Muhammad, ok?
I mean, since we now have the internet, we now don't have to heed Quran 10:94 and risk getting a sermon on Jesus being the Son of God and dying on the cross for our sins. Instead, we can now FIND all those places in the "Book" that CLEARY have Muhammad, don't you think? I mean, again, WHY go to Christians and Jews (like Quran 10:94 says), when the Quran says People of the Book are so dastardly at HIDing the "truth"? So, GO to the net, find those scriptures of Muhammad, and post
This verse comes right after a short glace at the story of the Children of Israel, Moses and the fate of the Pharaoh who was perished in the sea by the will of God while chasing after Moses (pbuh) and the Children of Israel. This verse is a direct testimony to the Truth of the holy Quran and the unity of God’s message.
@MegaBoxer77 Look @ what I wrote yesterday, I gave places in the Bible where Muhammad is prophesied and I even sent you a video. Your fooling anyone your just misleading yourself even more. I'd like to end here cause I have other things to do rather than write comments on youtube, it's very time consuming. I'd suggest you watch Dr. Zakir Naik debate with William Campbell (Christian Scholar) and you can find your answers there.
It's ONLY "time consuming" if you aren't truthful and have to perform al taqqiya (because you have to remember what you said that can be possibly used against you later). BE truthful, and, guess what? You WON'T be wasting time. Your words will flow rappidly, as mine do.
And, I read what you sent in private email, so, I'll post my response here:
Doesn't the Quran accuse People of the Book of hiding things in the Bible or "Book"? If so, then WHY heed Quran 10:94? But, thanks to the internet, can YOU now go to the places you feel have Muhammad hid by the Jews and Christians? If so, WHERE in the "before Scriptures" (Bible), is Muhammad hid?
When the Qur'an mentions the People of the Book it referring to the Jews and Christians, In verse 69 in Surah Maidah (Chapter 5) God is telling the people of the book that they will not be guided to the right path until they follow the ORIGINAL message of the Torah and Bible (E.G, The Oneness of God etc). Yes, the Bible has been corrupted over time, but if you still look deep in to it you can find the true Message. For example find me where in your bible where it mentions Jesus saying he is God
That just it you can't find it, because he never claimed he was God or the Son of God. When they mentioned "Son of God" back then it was a sign of Respect for a high person, it was the Language not the literal meaning. And look again in your Bibles and you can find that Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in it, both in the Torah and Bible. And look again @ Verse 68 Chapter 5 of the Qur'an it mentions the Torah, Bible and Qur'an; Now From Chapter 5 of the Qur'an read from Verses 72 and continuing.
Can you show me WHERE in the Bible Muhammad is mentioned? Even though there is Quran 10:94, it seems you SHOULDn't go to People of the Book, or "those who have read the "before Scriptures", because they MIGHT try to show you that Jesus is not only God, but, that he went to the cross for the sins of the world. So, WHERE in the Torah the name Ahmad located? The Quran has Jesus saying in the Torah you will find "Ahmad". But, IF it's located, IS that proof that it's Muhammad?
Muhammad is Mentioned and prophesied in many places in the Bibles: I'll just give you some places:
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
No these were the first verses of the Qur'an that were revealed (First 5 Verses of Surah 96) and Muhammad was Illiterate so he couldn't read or write thats why he said he couldn't read.
IF so, and he didn't try to mold himself to fit WITH that scripture in the "Book", that would be some fairly good evidence...unless there were a LOT of people who were illiterate before the advent of public education.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
Muhammad was his given name, the non-muslims and muslims at the time called him Al-Amin; Al-Amin means "The Trustworthy". Even though the non-muslims at his time didn't believe in his message, they still knew through his character that he was a person with noble character and a person that was trustworthy.
If what you have said is true, that is something. But, according to the Quran, it's "Ahmad" that you are to see in the Torah, not "machmad" (which is really is in the Song of Solomon. In my Youngs Concordance, "lovely" is not Muhammadim, it's "machmad". But, according to the Islamic Jesus of the Quran, you will SEE "Ahmad" in the Torah. WITH the internet, it should be easy to find now, don't you think?
Another name from Muhammad was Ahmad, as it says in the Qur'an: And (remember) when 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you confirming the Taurât [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed[] . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic[]." (6). Ahmad is also mentioned in Hindu scriptures.
This is where it mentions him by name Muhammad instead of Ahmad, in one of the Jewish Scriptures: His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. [Songs of Solomon 5:16] This is what it Reads in Hebrew: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." ...(Continued)
In my Youngs, it has it as "machmad". Which SOUNDS kind of like "Ahmad". But, in the Quran, we have to find "AHMAD" in the Torah, because, again, that's what the Quranic Jesus says. Find "Ahmad" in the Torah (the five books of Moses), and, you will prove the Quran is right on.
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." In the English translation, the conquistadors have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “altogether lovely”, which is the true translation of the name “Muhammad”. And According to Jewish scholars "im" (transliteration) is added for respect . It is worth noting that in the Hebrew language “im” is added for respect. Similarely "im" is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (E.g Muhammadim)
I didn't find "muhammadim", I found "machmad" for "lovely". MAYBE "Altogether" AND "machmad" is "muhammadim", but, "lovely" in the Hebrew here, is "machmad". I'll look up "altogether" and see if it means "muhammadim".
The "altogether" that would make a Hebrew word is not present in the Young's Concordance that I have. And, there is NO "muhammadim" in the Hebrew part of my concordance. However, there IS "machmad" FOR "lovely". THAT is a fact. So, is it "machmad" for the Song of Solomon, OR, does two Hebrew words together change "machmad" to "muhammadim"? Which is it?
Right, and I've seen it. Muslims have it saying "muhammadim", but, it's actually "machmad". "Lovely" in this Hebrew part of the Bible is "machmad" NOT "muhammadim". It's like when the Quran says the earth is "spread out like a carpet" it doesn't mean the earth is "shaped like an ostrich egg". SOMEone is trying to change history here, it sounds.
But, since so many Injils have Jesus as God and going to the cross for the sins of the world, shouldn't the "clear signs handed down" say DON'T go to those who have read the "before Scriptures" because they can get you believing in "shirk"? I mean, WHY should there be Quran 10:94?
See this is why I'm saying use Dr.Mohsin Translation, because it gives you a little bit of Tafseer (In depth meaning about the verse, and how it was revealed etc). This the the Translation of the verse. (Read next post not enough room in comments to put entire verse (E.g Chapter 10 Verse 94)
"So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, [i.e. that your name is written in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)[] "(94) (Chapter 10 (Yunus) (Jonah) Verse 94)
Who have read "The Book"? People of the Book? But, IF the "People of the Book", well, WHY go to them IF they are as the Quran says they are doing, "HIDING" stuff that supports Islam? Isn't that a dangerous scripture to tell Muhammad and Muslims (since Muslims are to copy Muhammad)?
@MegaBoxer77 I didn't understand this Part of this comment "Who have read "The Book"? People of the Book? But, IF the "People of the Book", well, WHY go to them IF ...etc"
If the Bible is so corrupted, then why "stand FIRM upon" it? IF the Bible is corrupted, why come to me for my reading the Bible IF you are in doubt about the Quran (see Quran 10:94)? IF the Bible is corrupted, why is there Quran 4:136? HOW can you OBEY 4:136? IF the Bible is NOT "The Book" the Quran is talking about, well, WHAT, pray tell, is "The Book" the Quran is talking about?
@MegaBoxer77 verses 10.94 says : And we assigned to the people of ISREAL an excellent abode and, we provided them with good things, and they differed not until there came to them the knowledge. surely thy lord will judge betweeen them on the day of resurrection concerning in which they NOW differ.
look im still in process of learning about islam but from this verse i conclude that its talking about jesus and the people of isreal. Are you from the people of isreal?
@MegaBoxer77 May Allah Forgive me if i say anything wrong. but when i said its embarrasing is because like me i believe in the bible but only the parts which are correct, i know and the whole world knows, its not a secret that the bible is MAN made, where Quran we know is the word of God and God has told us he will protect the quran and it will never change. thus when bible contradicts quran then we know that what it says in bible is incorrect. its embarrasing to not to realise this FACT
IF what you are saying is true, shouldn't Quran 2:106 kicked in to abrogate (substitute or replace), Quran 5:68, 10:94 and 4:136? I mean WHY come to those who have read the "before Scriptures" (Bible), IF you are in doubt about the Quran?
@MegaBoxer77 look you are rite all these verses are true, as a true muslim you believe in the gospal and the torah but this does not mean you have to read them or come to you for advice because as a muslim we have the quran and the hadith which are the saying's of the prophet muhammad pbuh which is the compleat guidence for life.
@MegaBoxer77 these verses mean that you need to believe in the gospal and the torah which every muslim does, you cant be muslim if you reject these books and say they are not from Allah. We know they are from Allah 100% but we also know that some parts of these books have been changed. verses 5:68 says need to uphold the laws or gospal and torah and i do and thus say Allah is ONE and believe in all his prophets and dont associate anything with Allah, Allah has no offsprings, what an evil thought
just wanted to say that the reason Why god allowed the bible to be tampered with is because it had come to the people and served its purpose for that period of time, but was not needed for all eternity as another messenger would come after jesus pbuh with new scripture. whereas the quran was kept safe after as there is nothing to come after it, so it has to stand the test of time. but check out many works from biblical scholars who have found many changes through their studies. all the best.
AzimMUZ 6 months ago
@AzimMUZ
If what you are saying is true, that the Bible served its purpose for that time period, then can you explain why Quran 5:68 tells People of the Book (Jews and Christians), that they have "no ground to stand upon, unless they 'stand firm upon the Torah and Injil'"? Also, IF what you are saying is true, then you DON'T have to believe all the books of Allah and you CAN make distinction between Allah's books, true?
ItsAmadWorld2 6 months ago
@ItsAmadWorld2 firstly, please don't take my answers as The answer, as im not a scholar.i would advise if you have questions please ask a scholar or known knowledgeable figure as they can answer sufficiently. I'm just trying to be helpful. but we believe in them all as they all came from God and we acknowledge this etc. but Quran was sent to us. we can take from them what is the same as Quran as you know its a consistent msg and then coming from god and not man.
AzimMUZ 6 months ago
@ItsAmadWorld2 y they are told to stay firm to their book - well ideally God would have them come to his last instruction, but if they refuse it, then at least stick 2 the scripture that has came beforehand so atleast ur on some sort of truth & not complete falshood.. then thats the only ground url actually have to stand upon. If you do follow your book, part for part, then god will go easyier on judgement day IA. plus, its not too diff than Islam part from a few changes here and there.
AzimMUZ 6 months ago
@AzimMUZ
Are you sure? Where does it say all that for Quran 5:68 about "standing firm upon the Torah and Injil"?
ItsAmadWorld2 6 months ago
22:46 " So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts. "
qtrvid 6 months ago
@qtrvid
What's that have to do with the Quran saying the Torah is LIKE the Quran? Doesn't the Quran say to bring something LIKE the Quran? Doesn't the Quran say the Torah is LIKE it? If so, didn't I just bring something LIKE the Quran by quoting from the Torah? Oh those "clear signs handed down", right?
ItsAmadWorld2 6 months ago
See quran 6:91 ..thats my answer , u may have two healthy eyes but i don't think ur heart have any..! I feel sorry for u thats it :(
qtrvid 6 months ago
@qtrvid
Are you saying Quran 6:91 contradicts the part of the Quran that says the Torah is not only "guidance and light", but,, is LIKE the Quran? The Quran IS contradictory?
ItsAmadWorld2 6 months ago
Ur not even close! 39:28 "[It is] an Arabic Qur'an, without any deviance that they might become righteous." quran is in Arabic , cannot be in any other language! that is ur huge mistake :) which shows ur lack of knowledge of Quran characteristics and structure! that agian weakens ur argument! Try again :)
qtrvid 7 months ago
@qtrvid
Are you trying to tell me that the Torah, which I quoted, ISN"T "like the Quran"?
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
qt: I didn't even read it because i asked you to produce a sura like the Quran ..
IAM2: Doesn't the Quran say the Torah is not only "both guidance and light", but is "LIKE the Quran"?
qt: The Quran is in Arabic and what you quote is not even in the same language!
IAM2" Again, doesn't the Quran say that the Torah is not only "both guidance and light", but is "LIKE THE QURAN?!" :)
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
qt: this major mistake is enough to say that you failed the challenge!
IAM2: Again, doesn't the Quran say that the Torah is not only "both guidance and light", but is "LIKE THE QURAN?!?!" :)
qt: See this translation 12:2 "Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand."
Iam2: MIGHT understand? IF it's "clear signs handed down" SHOULDN'T you understand it?
qt: this is enough for me now!!
IAM2: Again, doesn't the Quran say that the Torah is not only bot
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
IAM2: Again, doesn't the Quran say that the Torah is not only "both guidance and light", but is "LIKE THE QURAN?!" :)
qt: i'll stop arguing and will only reply if you win the challenge i gave you which i doubt :)
IAM2: Again, doesn't the Quran say that the Torah is not only "both guidance and light", but is "LIKE THE QURAN?!" :)
qt: however you can contact me any time if you need i'm willing to help
IAM2: Well, thanks. And, Again, doesn't the Quran say that the Torah is not only
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
not only "both guidance and light", but is "LIKE THE QURAN?!" :)
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
Look man! It clear that u r not truly seeking answers for ur questions or any kind of truth, u just want to disbelieve to avoid being committed to a religion especially if it doesn't go well with ur life style! I guess :) I only have one challenge for u..( produce a surah like the Quran ) if u did it i'm welling to convert from Islam :)
qtrvid 7 months ago
@qtrvid
Produce a surah LIKE the Quran? How about "Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten,
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
@ItsAmadWorld2
bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived." How is THATf? Isn't THAT "producing a surah like unto the Quran"? :)
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
47:19 ((So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except Allah and ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women. And Allah knows of your movement and your resting place.))
qtrvid 7 months ago
@qtrvid
Knows my movement? Does that mean bowel? Well, the Quran DOES say Allah is closer than your juggler vein.
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
Jesus said that God is only one and that he was a messenger of God , the rest are fabrications! The majestic "we" in Arabic means royality ... And doesn't represent the number , ur ignorance in the language effects ur argument :)
qtrvid 7 months ago
@qtrvid
"We" means royalty? How about "Us" and "Our"? By the way, royalty or not, why should Allah USE this "royalty" when shirk is unforgiveable? Did you know that the ONLY one who uses the majestic we in the Injeel is a demon possessed man called "Legion", for he had many demons? Why was it only in the Quran that Allah would start copying a demon possessed man and start getting "royal"? You say the "rest are fabrications"? If so, can you explain Quran 4:136, 150, 151, 152 and 2:285?
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
so do it :) and let me know if u did
qtrvid 7 months ago
@qtrvid
I think I just did.
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
And another thing ! can u produce a sura like it..? If u could which I confedently doubt .. Then come and talk to me about Quran possibility of being fabricated :)
qtrvid 8 months ago
@qtrvid
IF I took a surah from the Quran, changed some words and meanings, it would no longer be that surah. However, it would still be LIKE. So, yeah, I can produce a surah LIKE it.
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
god has a son and etc .. That means that u don't believe on "the one and only God", this is the message of all the prophets and religions including Jesus .. that is the biggest crime ever denying ur creator! And don't ask for forgiveness for that cuz God provided u with all the knowledge u need but instead u deny it ... Again , if ur heart is true and u really want to find truth God will never misguide u :)
qtrvid 8 months ago
@qtrvid
It's not the biggest crime in the Injeel to believe God is able to have a Son. The biggest crime in the Injeel is to believe God is Satan. By the way, IF it's the biggest crime to believe God has a Son or partner, why does Allah use the "Majestic We" so much?
ItsAmadWorld2 7 months ago
God is mercifull no one would go to hell if he doesn't deserve to :) .. Well, I'm doing the same , I was searching for truth since i was 8 and the more i search the more i become faithfull and thankfull for being muslim, believe me u will find the truth and God will never missguide u if ur heart is true...that's a guarantee!
qtrvid 8 months ago
@qtrvid
According to Quran 4:116 and 4:48, if you ever partnered with Allah, it is unforgiveable. Thus, there is no hope for you if you ever were a Christian who stood firm upon the Injeel and believed God had a Son.
ItsAmadWorld2 8 months ago
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And if you are in doubt as to which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a sura like it, and call on your helper, besides Allah, if you are truthful. (Qur'an 2:23)
qtrvid 10 months ago
@qtrvid
Also, if you are in doubt about what Allah has revealed, then go to those who have read the before Scriptures (Qurna 10:94).
ItsAmadWorld2 8 months ago
I can see hunger for truth in ur eyes :) .. please help ur self by increasing ur knowledge and sense and logic.. God bless u
qtrvid 10 months ago
@qtrvid
Well, thanks. May you do the same.
ItsAmadWorld2 8 months ago
I can believe in Quran despite of my knowledge that the bible is corrupted..why?? Because Quran is written in Arabic in a miraculous way.. Every Arabic language specialist can notice that. No human before or after can write such a book. Its impossible for humans or jinn to fabricate the Quran due to its structure and characteristics. Its the biggest miracles of the prophet Mohamad pbuh. It includes many scientific facts that were discovered lately. It includes many historical facts as well, tha
qtrvid 10 months ago
@qtrvid
Hell awaits you if you say otherwise, true?
ItsAmadWorld2 8 months ago
and in chapter 42 verse 11
The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like Him; and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.
omerkha 1 year ago
also in chapter 19 verses 65 it says Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, so worship Him (Alone) and be constant and patient in His worship. Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (of course none is similar or co-equal or comparable to Him, and He has none as partner with Him). [There is nothing like Him and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer].
omerkha 1 year ago
I dont no how you come to this conclusion after reading the Holy Quran. No where does it say or indicate in the Quran that Allah has any offsprings. How ever it does say in chapter 112
"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
omerkha 1 year ago
also a valid point is, Allah only makes something a sin once someone has comitted that sin, for example the first murder in the world, after this the act was forbidden and so on. since the time of Adam and Eve peace be upon them their have only been a few books revealed, first was the torah and maybe Allah saw that these people are changing my book, i mean these are the same people who wanted jesus on the cross then we have the bible also been changed but finaly we have quran with a seal
omerkha 1 year ago
the bible is currupted but at the same time alot of it correct in what it says. and the world knows this fact so why are we going round in circles. on the other hand you have the quran which has never been changed as Allah protects it ALSO A FACT. so my Brother i like to invite you to islam go to your local mosque and talk to the brothers. ur not from nyc by ne chance lol
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
IF the Bible is corrupt, what is the point of Quran 4:136? IF the Bible is corrupt, well, isn't the Bible "Allah's words"? IF the Bible is NOT the "Book" that makes People of the Book, then WHAT is the "Book"? It sounds like the Book is Allah's words.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 look bible was written by Men but yes at the same time it is from Allah but over time this has been changed and we can see it for ourself's. this is the way Allah wants it to be as Allah knows best.... who are we to question why did god want bible to be currupted but as we have brains we can see for ourself
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
Is that fair to have it that way when eternal damnation is involved? How is that best? You are saying Allah is deceiving then, aren't you not?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 Allah is not deceiving anyone we all have free will. lets take you as an example, you put up this video and few brothers try and tell you islam is the truth in the best way they can, if you dont take heed then on day of judgement you will know the truth. its not hard all you have believe in is oneness in allah the unseen and his prophets, is it so much to ask.
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
But, again, isn't Allah being deceitful to have People of the Book STAND on a Book that has Jesus going to the cross? WHY "stand firm" upon something that is a lie ALLAH created IF the Bible is a lie?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 You know the Bible are a collection of studys done by Rabbi's long long time ago on the teachings of the prophets that came befor. They wrote down what they said and what they said was in inspiration from Allah. but the Quran are the words from Allah, which was revealed to Prophet Muhammad through the angel Gabriel. so although we believe in some of the teachings of the bible we put Quran as number 1 as this was the last revealed book.
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
IF you only believe in SOME parts of the Bible, what is the purpose of Quran 5:68, 4:136 and 10:94? I mean, why come to ME for my reading the "before Scriptures" (Bible), IF you are in doubt about the Quran?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 ammm excuse me when did anyone come to you for the reading of the bible or the quran, just want you to understand the truth.
We follow christianity in which Jesus is a prophet of Allah and their is only ONE Allah, do you agree? if so we are brothers in faith. Plz dont reply just use your head my friend. take care nice chatting
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
Oh, I believe there is an Allah, and, I believe Allah has no Son. Of course, if you study Islam, it sounds like Allah had three daughters. Adonai, on the other hand, sounds like He has a Son.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
The injeel of Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet which contains god’s commands to the sons of Israel can you find it? (it is within the Koran now), and not the bibles ‘’according to’’ people that didn’t neither follow Jesus nor his followers, and voted for Jesus being divine 300 years ad going astray from the way of God and disobeying the teachings of jesus (pbuh).
Saladin1er 1 year ago
@Saladin1er
What makes me think Jesus is God, is the Injeel's Titus 2:13, which says, "while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,"
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 yes this is what says the bible (according to !), in jugement day, will you say oh god, but according to X or Y, jesus is god( glory be to god from that) while you read his verses... read the curan with heart, the curan is only according to God!, it is god's personal words and messages, not the opinion of X or Y on the life of jesus or on God........
Saladin1er 1 year ago
@Saladin1er
What you said about the Quran, a Mormon could have said about the Book of Mormon.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 this is the God's direct words which contains no doubt, ....... the only 100% god's words book on this planet.....the miracle of the prophet mohammad (pbuh).
Saladin1er 1 year ago
@Saladin1er
According to the "Book", the heart is wicked. I say, use your mind when reading the Quran.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
.Yes sure I always use my mind even when I'm reading the newspaper! But without a awaken heart!, when sometimes I read the Quran, and the tears fall down my face, it could not happen before my “mind” realize the holy meaning of the verse, it feels like you reserved an instant message from god, like god is speaking to you,and all bones ,nerves ,mind and heart, body and soul are humbling to god….hop you taste it even once before death comes with the certitude.
Saladin1er 1 year ago
@Saladin1er
The Mormons call that feeling a "burning in the bosom", which they say they get when they read the Book of Mormon.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
the coran makes you feel the bible is not corrupted ??First of all you don’t feel the bible is corrupted or not, you realize it with evident proofs from the Koran and the bible.
Saladin1er 1 year ago
@Saladin1er
Not corrupted due to Quran 5:68, 4:136, 10:94, and, of course, the "confirmation and reminding" that the Quran says it does WITH the "Book" (i.e. Bible). HOW can there be confirmation is there is corruption?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 the coran came to confirm from the bible what is from god and to deny what men invented.....even today new bible verses are still be modified and invented, I mean if the bible was 45% true at the prophet’s (pbuh) time today it is only 3% true (from god part) mixed with man's handy works, if we take consideration of the hundreds of bibles that excite, the coran confirms the true part of the (bible) like the true part of the bible confirms the unchanged 100% true coran.
Saladin1er 1 year ago
@Saladin1er
If what you are saying is true, then WHY "stand firm" upon the Bible (see Quran 5:68)? WHY come to me for my READING the Bible IF you are in doubt about the Quran (see 10:94)? Why FOLLOW and OBEY Quran 4:136 IF the Bible is corrupted? HOW can you believe in "Allah's books" and HOW can you believe the messengers IF the Bible is corrupted?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
IS THIS THE WORD ofgod?
Let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark.--Ezekiel 9:5-6
the bible is corrupt
JesusHateThejews 1 year ago
@JesusHateThejews
Is that a command for only that time for a specific event, or, for a time when Christian sharia Law is put into place, like, say, 9:29 for Muslims?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Well you see brother, Allah revealed one Injeel, now today you see more then 100. There are some things which you can say is still authentic in the Bible's that is the stuff like not to steal, murder etc. The next thing is that there are literally so many contradictions in the bible, that you know it has been corrupted. The Bible wasn't kept in its original script, while the Qur'an is and will be until the end.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
IF the Bible is corrupted, as you say (due to there being many versions of it), then HOW can the Quran NOT be a lie when it says Allah's words can't be corrupted? HOW can you follow and obey Quran 4:136 that goes: YUSUFALI: O ye who believe (Muslims)! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture (The Holy Bible) which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books (The Holy Bible), His
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
(The Holy Bible) which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books (The Holy Bible), His Messengers (Jesus and the Injil), and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray." HOW can YOU follow and obey this scripture, O Omerkha?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
You just made my point; It's not the word of God anymore when someone re-writes it. God revealed one Bible not 100+ (like there is today), the other ones have stuff added and deleted-Thus, its not the word of God anymore. Right now if you write a book, and I come and take out half the stuff in it and write my own stuff, Is the book still your word? No, only part of it is.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
But, IF the Bible is no longer Allah's words (due to corruption), then HOW come there is Quran 5:68 that tells people of the Book that they have "no ground to stand upon unless they stand FIRM upon the Torah and Injil? WHAT is the Torah and Injil IF they aren't in the Bible? WHAT is the "Book" that makes People of the Book that the Quran talks a lot about? Are not they the Jews and Christians? If so, the Bible is the only thing they usually follow.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77
Again, IF the Bible is corrupted, WHY "stand firm upon it"? WHY come to me for my READING it, IF you are in doubt about the Quran (10:94)? And, again, IF the "Book" is NOT the Bible, then WHAT is the "Book" that makes PEOPLE of the "Book"?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
And One last thing for your convenience and better understanding of the Qur'an, the Yusuf Ali translation uses old english, many people (Including myself) find it hard to understand, If I were you I would use Dr.Mohsin translation it's easier to understand and gives more detail. It completely up to you but its for your convenience. You can find this translation and in Quranexplorer/Quran.website You can also play the audio of the Qur'an it will make play the verses and you can listen and read.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
I will USE that Quran. Personally, though, I use Ali, Shakir and Pickthal version of the Quran. There is MORE to read, but, I feel that if one screws up in a translation, the other guy might cover for the screw up.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Just Search up on youtube Muhammad in the Bible and there is like a thousand videos with like different places where it mentions Muhammad in the bible, there's one with a former Christian watch that if you want.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
According to the Quran, People of the Book HIDE the truth in the "Book", to the point where Muslims believe P of the B HIDE Muhammad in it. Thanks to the internet, it should be VERY easy to now not even have to obey surah 10:94, but, instead, GO to the internet to find it yourself. So, what is YOUR favorite passage from the "Book", Bible, that you feel is talking about Muhammad where you think Jews and Christians are doing as the Quran says, "hiding" Muhammad?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
I didn't understand 2 of your comments; I don't get what you mean't by "P of the B hide" etc, Give references (E.g Chapter, Verse) when mentioning the Qur'an, so I know your not making up stuff.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Sorry. I meant to say "People of the Book" (p of the B). So, I'll ask the question again:
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
According to the Quran, People of the Book HIDE the truth in the "Book", to the point where Muslims believe "P of the B" HIDE Muhammad in it. Thanks to the internet, it should be VERY easy to now not even have to obey surah 10:94, but, instead, GO to the internet to find it yourself. So, what is YOUR favorite passage from the "Book", Bible, that you feel is talking about Muhammad where you think Jews and Christians are doing as the Quran says, "hiding" Muhammad?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 Where in the Qur'an does it say the Jews and the Christians are hiding Muhammad? and I think you misunderstood Surah 61 Verse 6, in this verse it just said that Jesus told the Children of Israel that he is a prophet confirming the scripture that came before it (The Torah), and he gave glad tidings of a new messenger who's name will be Ahmad or Muhamamad. Jesus didn't say that Ahmad's name will be in the Torah.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Strange. You are the first Muslim to say that. Well, that would make more sense, because, truthfully, I looked high and low in the Torah, and, couldn't find "Ahmad" even in the Hebrew version.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
The Qur'an just says that Muhammad is prophesied in the scriptures of the Past, and through many places in the Bible and Torah we can find that he was.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
Surah 10:94 is to be applied in the specific sense, not the general, hence Surah 10:94 is dealing with one specific issue, which if you happen to be in doubt about, then go ask the Christians. (CONTINUED PART 1)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
But, WHY heed surah 10:94 when there are SO many Quranic scriptures that say the People of the Book (Christians), HIDE the "truth" in the Bible? I mean, IF the Quran is right about Christians being so dastardly, then WHY heed Quran 10:94 IF you are in doubt about the Quran? Does that make sense?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
This then brings us to the next issue, what specific topic is Surah 10:94 referring to, well the specific issue that is being mentioned here is the advent of Muhammad's (AS) prophethood. The Quran is telling the prophet and the Muslims that if you happen to be in doubt about Muhammad (AS) as a prophet, then simply console the people of the book, and they will be able to confirm this is the truth due to the fact that Muhammad (AS) was prophesised and foretold in their own books.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Again, WHY heed surah 10:94 when there are SO many Quranic scriptures that say the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), HIDE the "truth" in the Bible? I mean, IF the Quran is right about Jews and Christians being so dastardly, then WHY heed Quran 10:94 IF you are in doubt about the Quran? Does that make sense? Besides, WON'T Christians talk about Jesus being the Son of God and dying on the cross for your sins? If so, WHY heed Quran 10:94?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Thats my point man, the Surah Yunus Verse 94 is talking about a specific event, thats why you have to read the Tafseer of the Qur'an and not only the translation, because the Qur'an was revealed in a span of 23 years, each verse has its own story behind it and I gave the Tafseer in the message; First of all there is only 1 Qur'an scripture, which is the Qur'an - and Where in the Qur'an does it say the Jews and Christians hide the truth in the bible?
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
You mean Christians DON'T hide Muhammad in their Bible? Well, what is the "Book" and WHO are the "People of the Book" IF the "Book" is NOT the Bible, and if the "People of the Book" AREN'T Jews and Chrisitans? And why do MUSLIMS say 10:94 is about going to those who KNOW where Muhammad is IN the Bible? Which one should we believe here? Is it Jews and Christians hide Muhammad, GO to them because they know Muhammad in the Bible, or, what?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Just tell me the verse where it says the Chirstians and Jews are hiding Muhamamd in their bible and I'll continue from there.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Are you trying to tell me now that "People of the Book" AREN'T Christians and Jews? If they aren't, well, WHO are the "People of the Book"?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
No i'm not trying to say anything, I'm trying to tell you that the Qur'an doesn't say that The people of the book hide whatever and whatever
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Well, if not, then WHAT is the problem with the "People of the Book"?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
What's wrong with the People of the Book? Read the Qur'an; They went astray, they changed their own scriptures and didn't act upon it etc
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
If so, then WHY heed Quran 10:94?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
One of the beauties of the holy Quran is that when we read its verses, which are directed to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) it feels as if God is directly speaking to the person reading it. However, the verse in discussion is more precisely directed to Muhammad himself and nowhere does it mention to “read the bible” but rather “ask those who have been reading the Book.”
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Does it matter if surah 10:94 is directed at Muhammad or Muslims? Either way, it leads to the belief that nothing is wrong with the "before Scriptures". And, IF the "before Scriptures" aren't the Bible, then, WHAT are they?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 Yes it does matter if its direct to Muhammad or not, and no thats where you christians don't understand, Many people try to use to verse as an argument but the fail to understand it.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Why does it matter if it's to Muhammad rather than to Muslims? Aren't Muslims to copy and use Muhammad as an example?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
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OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Okay doke.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
I sent you message through inbox. I'd like to end with this:
"A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not." (Chapter 3 V 69)
May God guide you to the right path and have mercy on all of us. Ameen (Amen)
-Peace be upon he who follows the true Guidance, Take Care bro
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
So, it's only a FEW Jews and Christians who are in the wrong while the REST you can come to if you are in doubt about Muhammad being in the Quran, and they will show where Muhammad is in the Bible? So Quran 10:94 can be heeded AFTER all? Are you sure?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77
Well, take care also.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Verse 10:94 of the holy Quran is another proof of consistencies between God’s message in the Quran and what was reveal before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); it is the same source of revelations and the same message which was sent to Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus and all of God’s prophets
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Are you sure? Where does it say that in Quran 10:94?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Where does it say what in Qur'an 10:94?
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Say WHAT in Quran 10:94?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
On the contrary to such argument, the verse referenced from 10:94 should be a clear proof that he (Muhammad) did not know much about the stories of the previous prophets and their people, that he was not taught as some claim by a third person who was a Jew or a Christian, that he did not produce the Quran on his own account, but rather he was asked by the Almighty Creator (continued)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
So, IF he didn't know about the stories that were in the Quran, WHICH "Book" was he to learn about that got the stories write that would be in AGREEment with the Quran?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
He didn't know the stories until they were revealed to him, The Qur'an was revealed in stages over a year of 23 years not just sent to him down write away. He learned the stories after they were revealed to him.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
So, you say it's a story thing, NOT him being in the Bible? Well, Muslims say 10:94 is IF Muhammad is in doubt about himself being a prophet in the Quran, he should go to those who read the "before Scriptures" and SEE that he was in the Bible. So, which are we to believe here?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
to search and check God’s words if and only if even he – the messenger of God – had any doubts about the source and authenticity of the revelation passed on to
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
And who are these trusting people he would go to IF he were to heed 10:94, for WHO are those who read the "before Scriptures"?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Al-Husayn ibn Salam <--Look him up you don't read Tafseer
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
What did he say? Can you put the name of the people here that Muhammad was to go to if he was in doubt about the Quran?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 i Read about Al-Husayn ibn Salam he was the Grand or most learned Rabbi at that time and he accepted Islam after meeting and seeing his character (Of Muhammad (Peace be upon him)), he knew that he was the person that was prophesised in the Torah, so he accepted Islam.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
So Muhammad IS in the prophecy of the Torah? Can you show where? I mean, IN this day and age of information at our finger-tips, we don't HAVE to risk having shirk preached to us by going to those who have read the "before Scriptures" like Quran 10:94 commands ONLY Muhammad,, true? We can now FIND it IN the Torah that, apparently his Rabbi was able to find it in HIS Torah during the time of Muhammad, true? If so, SHOW that passage IN the Torah that has Muhammad, please.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 I sent you a video of Zakir naik which shows were it is in the Torah, and the Torah probably has been changed so much since the time of the Prophet (Peace be upon him).
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Have you heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
The Quran makes it clear that Muhammad (AS) is prophesised in the previous scriptures: "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands...."(Chapter 7 Verse 157) (Continued)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Since we now have the internet, we now don't have to heed Quran 10:94 and find all those places that REALLY have Muhammad clearly in the Bible Christians are Quranically accused of hiding him in, do we not? So, POST the number one passage from the "Book" that has Muhammad, ok?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77
I mean, since we now have the internet, we now don't have to heed Quran 10:94 and risk getting a sermon on Jesus being the Son of God and dying on the cross for our sins. Instead, we can now FIND all those places in the "Book" that CLEARY have Muhammad, don't you think? I mean, again, WHY go to Christians and Jews (like Quran 10:94 says), when the Quran says People of the Book are so dastardly at HIDing the "truth"? So, GO to the net, find those scriptures of Muhammad, and post
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
This verse comes right after a short glace at the story of the Children of Israel, Moses and the fate of the Pharaoh who was perished in the sea by the will of God while chasing after Moses (pbuh) and the Children of Israel. This verse is a direct testimony to the Truth of the holy Quran and the unity of God’s message.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 Look @ what I wrote yesterday, I gave places in the Bible where Muhammad is prophesied and I even sent you a video. Your fooling anyone your just misleading yourself even more. I'd like to end here cause I have other things to do rather than write comments on youtube, it's very time consuming. I'd suggest you watch Dr. Zakir Naik debate with William Campbell (Christian Scholar) and you can find your answers there.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
It's ONLY "time consuming" if you aren't truthful and have to perform al taqqiya (because you have to remember what you said that can be possibly used against you later). BE truthful, and, guess what? You WON'T be wasting time. Your words will flow rappidly, as mine do.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Here i'm gonna send you a message through Youtube cause youtube comments too short
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
And, I read what you sent in private email, so, I'll post my response here:
Doesn't the Quran accuse People of the Book of hiding things in the Bible or "Book"? If so, then WHY heed Quran 10:94? But, thanks to the internet, can YOU now go to the places you feel have Muhammad hid by the Jews and Christians? If so, WHERE in the "before Scriptures" (Bible), is Muhammad hid?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 No the Qur'an does accuse the people of the book hiding things in the Bible or Torah...I don't know where you got that from.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
When the Qur'an mentions the People of the Book it referring to the Jews and Christians, In verse 69 in Surah Maidah (Chapter 5) God is telling the people of the book that they will not be guided to the right path until they follow the ORIGINAL message of the Torah and Bible (E.G, The Oneness of God etc). Yes, the Bible has been corrupted over time, but if you still look deep in to it you can find the true Message. For example find me where in your bible where it mentions Jesus saying he is God
OmarChannel 1 year ago
That just it you can't find it, because he never claimed he was God or the Son of God. When they mentioned "Son of God" back then it was a sign of Respect for a high person, it was the Language not the literal meaning. And look again in your Bibles and you can find that Prophet Muhammad was mentioned in it, both in the Torah and Bible. And look again @ Verse 68 Chapter 5 of the Qur'an it mentions the Torah, Bible and Qur'an; Now From Chapter 5 of the Qur'an read from Verses 72 and continuing.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Can you show me WHERE in the Bible Muhammad is mentioned? Even though there is Quran 10:94, it seems you SHOULDn't go to People of the Book, or "those who have read the "before Scriptures", because they MIGHT try to show you that Jesus is not only God, but, that he went to the cross for the sins of the world. So, WHERE in the Torah the name Ahmad located? The Quran has Jesus saying in the Torah you will find "Ahmad". But, IF it's located, IS that proof that it's Muhammad?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Muhammad is Mentioned and prophesied in many places in the Bibles: I'll just give you some places:
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
Continued..
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
But, did Muhammad read this first, then, only SAY he was "unlearned" to supposedly fit this?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
No these were the first verses of the Qur'an that were revealed (First 5 Verses of Surah 96) and Muhammad was Illiterate so he couldn't read or write thats why he said he couldn't read.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
IF so, and he didn't try to mold himself to fit WITH that scripture in the "Book", that would be some fairly good evidence...unless there were a LOT of people who were illiterate before the advent of public education.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Was his name "Muhammad" BEFORE he came upon this, or AFTER? Supposedly, according to tradition, he was called "Amin".
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Muhammad was his given name, the non-muslims and muslims at the time called him Al-Amin; Al-Amin means "The Trustworthy". Even though the non-muslims at his time didn't believe in his message, they still knew through his character that he was a person with noble character and a person that was trustworthy.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
If what you have said is true, that is something. But, according to the Quran, it's "Ahmad" that you are to see in the Torah, not "machmad" (which is really is in the Song of Solomon. In my Youngs Concordance, "lovely" is not Muhammadim, it's "machmad". But, according to the Islamic Jesus of the Quran, you will SEE "Ahmad" in the Torah. WITH the internet, it should be easy to find now, don't you think?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
Another name from Muhammad was Ahmad, as it says in the Qur'an: And (remember) when 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you confirming the Taurât [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed[] . But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad SAW) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic[]." (6). Ahmad is also mentioned in Hindu scriptures.
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Can you show IN the Torah where Ahmed is located? It should be VERY easy to find now, being that we have the internet, don't you think?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
This is where it mentions him by name Muhammad instead of Ahmad, in one of the Jewish Scriptures: His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. [Songs of Solomon 5:16] This is what it Reads in Hebrew: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." ...(Continued)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
In my Youngs, it has it as "machmad". Which SOUNDS kind of like "Ahmad". But, in the Quran, we have to find "AHMAD" in the Torah, because, again, that's what the Quranic Jesus says. Find "Ahmad" in the Torah (the five books of Moses), and, you will prove the Quran is right on.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." In the English translation, the conquistadors have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “altogether lovely”, which is the true translation of the name “Muhammad”. And According to Jewish scholars "im" (transliteration) is added for respect . It is worth noting that in the Hebrew language “im” is added for respect. Similarely "im" is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (E.g Muhammadim)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
I didn't find "muhammadim", I found "machmad" for "lovely". MAYBE "Altogether" AND "machmad" is "muhammadim", but, "lovely" in the Hebrew here, is "machmad". I'll look up "altogether" and see if it means "muhammadim".
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77
The "altogether" that would make a Hebrew word is not present in the Young's Concordance that I have. And, there is NO "muhammadim" in the Hebrew part of my concordance. However, there IS "machmad" FOR "lovely". THAT is a fact. So, is it "machmad" for the Song of Solomon, OR, does two Hebrew words together change "machmad" to "muhammadim"? Which is it?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 If you can read Hebrew, I have the Hebrew for that verse in the Song of Solomon
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Right, and I've seen it. Muslims have it saying "muhammadim", but, it's actually "machmad". "Lovely" in this Hebrew part of the Bible is "machmad" NOT "muhammadim". It's like when the Quran says the earth is "spread out like a carpet" it doesn't mean the earth is "shaped like an ostrich egg". SOMEone is trying to change history here, it sounds.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
But, since so many Injils have Jesus as God and going to the cross for the sins of the world, shouldn't the "clear signs handed down" say DON'T go to those who have read the "before Scriptures" because they can get you believing in "shirk"? I mean, WHY should there be Quran 10:94?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
See this is why I'm saying use Dr.Mohsin Translation, because it gives you a little bit of Tafseer (In depth meaning about the verse, and how it was revealed etc). This the the Translation of the verse. (Read next post not enough room in comments to put entire verse (E.g Chapter 10 Verse 94)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Ok.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
"So if you (O Muhammad SAW) are in doubt concerning that which We have revealed unto you, [i.e. that your name is written in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] then ask those who are reading the Book [the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] before you. Verily, the truth has come to you from your Lord. So be not of those who doubt (it)[] "(94) (Chapter 10 (Yunus) (Jonah) Verse 94)
OmarChannel 1 year ago
@OmarChannel
Who have read "The Book"? People of the Book? But, IF the "People of the Book", well, WHY go to them IF they are as the Quran says they are doing, "HIDING" stuff that supports Islam? Isn't that a dangerous scripture to tell Muhammad and Muslims (since Muslims are to copy Muhammad)?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
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@MegaBoxer77 I didn't understand this Part of this comment "Who have read "The Book"? People of the Book? But, IF the "People of the Book", well, WHY go to them IF ...etc"
OmarChannel 1 year ago
you dont need to be a genius to know that bible is corrupted their are SOO many contradictions in the bible its embarrasing.
Brother you have the Quran which is the word of Allah so have respect for your creator as you will return to him one day.
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
If the Bible is so corrupted, then why "stand FIRM upon" it? IF the Bible is corrupted, why come to me for my reading the Bible IF you are in doubt about the Quran (see Quran 10:94)? IF the Bible is corrupted, why is there Quran 4:136? HOW can you OBEY 4:136? IF the Bible is NOT "The Book" the Quran is talking about, well, WHAT, pray tell, is "The Book" the Quran is talking about?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 verses 10.94 says : And we assigned to the people of ISREAL an excellent abode and, we provided them with good things, and they differed not until there came to them the knowledge. surely thy lord will judge betweeen them on the day of resurrection concerning in which they NOW differ.
look im still in process of learning about islam but from this verse i conclude that its talking about jesus and the people of isreal. Are you from the people of isreal?
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
I've got Jewish and Arab in my background, and, American Indian.
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 also the verse says that Allah will judge between them on the day of resurrection concerning in which they dffer now.
so obviously quran is saying that there is something in which christians believe that they differ and it is importent.
i can tell you rite now that the matter which is of the differ is :
1 jesus is god
2 jesus is son of god , as in he is offspring of god.
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
If so, HOW can Christians judge?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 May Allah Forgive me if i say anything wrong. but when i said its embarrasing is because like me i believe in the bible but only the parts which are correct, i know and the whole world knows, its not a secret that the bible is MAN made, where Quran we know is the word of God and God has told us he will protect the quran and it will never change. thus when bible contradicts quran then we know that what it says in bible is incorrect. its embarrasing to not to realise this FACT
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
IF what you are saying is true, shouldn't Quran 2:106 kicked in to abrogate (substitute or replace), Quran 5:68, 10:94 and 4:136? I mean WHY come to those who have read the "before Scriptures" (Bible), IF you are in doubt about the Quran?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 look you are rite all these verses are true, as a true muslim you believe in the gospal and the torah but this does not mean you have to read them or come to you for advice because as a muslim we have the quran and the hadith which are the saying's of the prophet muhammad pbuh which is the compleat guidence for life.
omerkha 1 year ago
@omerkha
If so, what is the point of Quran 5:68 and 10:94?
MegaBoxer77 1 year ago
@MegaBoxer77 these verses mean that you need to believe in the gospal and the torah which every muslim does, you cant be muslim if you reject these books and say they are not from Allah. We know they are from Allah 100% but we also know that some parts of these books have been changed. verses 5:68 says need to uphold the laws or gospal and torah and i do and thus say Allah is ONE and believe in all his prophets and dont associate anything with Allah, Allah has no offsprings, what an evil thought
omerkha 1 year ago