The reason we cant do anything about Gengis Khan is becuase he's dead asshole! whereas the people of Sri Lanka ar still alive. Stupidest man on the planet.
@gunner23 Sure is it's like he is saying when you see a women getting raped don't call the police it's none of your business and it is unethical!! What a jack ass this Chumpsky is!!
It’s only Zero if one cannot do a single thing about the injustices. One cannot eradicate evil by simply identifying it. One must have the will and ability to impose permanent changes. But the West would be loathed to wade in and impose Regime Change on an ethical/moral bases. To do so would actually add more suffering, with little to gain. So the suffering continues, since humanity cannot end suffering – only add to it – whatever it does. Evil is here to stay - unless God intervenes.
Fake. I had problems to follow him first. So i listened twice. Don´t make the same mistake. And to prove Pat Condell´s "hypocrisy" would be taken far more time than 1:06. And on what issue?
chomsky is a tool, he tricks people into thinking he's profound by being mind numbingly boring, he's a left wing reactionary, and a puppet of the multi-nationalist power movement.
@thesearewarningsigns Actually usually Chomsky fools people by siting some obscure thing he has read and then making people believe that if they haven't read it then they don't know what they are talking about. In about 80% of his videos he will say "well if you read (insert obscure paper). And he is a capitalist that gets rich bashing capitalism. also he is a douche. And as you say, a tool. Cheers.
By the way mr1001nights I had a post defending/clarifying Chomsky's point in the context of the full discussion and it got lot's of thumbs up but then it was taken down. What's that about?
The people posting here are such fucking little cowards. I would LOVE to see you take on Chomsky in a one on one debate and get utterly destroyed within minutes by the power of this man's mind and knowledge. It's amazing that every post against Chomsky are bitter little diatribes with hateful personal adjuncts. Richard Perle took him on and was literally speechless by the end of it. He was battered by pure logic. Not one of you have made a single descent rebuke. But I wouldn't expect it.
@Freidlon7 Any intelligent conservative could dispel little Noam with about half of their brain. Noamy did not lay a glove on Perle. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid
another Chomsky video, another bunch of right-wing morons slinging ad hominems because they dont have the intellect to argue Chomskys points :) so telling.
@xjaskix you sir, are the one who's idiocy is so telling if you believe that old fart's incessant, incoherent babbling. Chomsky is for pods, easily led and bovine. don't a pod, don't be a cow. be a human. we are capable of critical thought...you should be too :)
@xjaskix His only point was that "we" should look at "our" sins rather than "theirs". The fallacy is that there is no "us". Chomsky believes that "we", the West, are somehow one big team, represented by the Western state(s). I'm not any more responsible for any Western government's actions than I am for any Islamic government's actions. I'm not part of a tribe and and I'm certainly not in any team with Chomsky.
@john42t So in other words unless we are a perfect society we should allow any other society to do what ever they please? That worked great in Rwanda. I guess we should have let the Serbs commit genocide on the Muslims? Hey, we would like to help, but we aren't perfect. What a crock.
Typical mindless babbling of this effeminate little anti-Western, pro-Muslim dirtbag. How can MIT justify having this pseudointellectual moron on the faculty?
@PhanaJG24 Maybe MIT wants another idea on how to operate. You know, because their guns have done such a great job at making the world a better place and all.....<------Sarcasm in case you are to tunnel-visioned to see outside the box.
@reedo1703 The guns I used worked quite during Desert Storm. Fortunately, we did not have any addle-brained limp-wristed little wankers like Noam to worry about. Well, we did have the French, but they were kept far away from any action. They were present to prevent a flanking action by the Mediterranean Sea. Hope that wasn't over your head.
@PhanaJG24 LOL you totally missed the point dude. The only reason we had anything or anyone to fight is because our American elite class sold them the weapons. They are the shepard and you are the sheep in fighting for their cause. World domination. Oh, and please don't think you were actually defending America's freedom, nobody was or is invading us. Get off the terrorist talk and wake up, I know you and many others are smarter than this. Violence breeds violence.
@reedo1703 Reedo, thank you for the civilized reply. However, you are wayyyy off base on where the Iraqis received their weapons. My memory is a tad hazy and I am too busy to Google it, but as I recall the Soviets/Russians and the ex-Warsaw Pact states gave them about 70-80% of their hardware, with the French a distant third with about 15%. Very little of their stuff was American-made or licensed. Please research radical Islam in more detail and then view Noam's naiviety.
@freebeerfordworkers What's so funny free?? The French did a great job. They got where they were supposed to be, kept an eye on the Syrians, managed to hold off the counterattack by the Med Sea, and stayed out of the way of the English regulars and Royal Marines who actually had some combat missions to perform. Compared to their performance in WWII, Dien Bien Phu, and Algeria, this was an impressive outing!! Do I sense some Francophobia on your part?
@PhanaJG24 Nothing of the kind, I just thought it an amusing comment and humour has nothing to do with fact. I have read about Dien Bein Phu in "The Last Valley" and their performance there was incredible despite losing. As to Algeria the view is in military terms they won, but the long term political position was unsustainable. In the Crimea in 1856 a young British officer watched the French attacking & asked an old officer who had fought there, "Are you sure you won Waterloo?"
@PhanaJG24 Sorry I guess I took "They were present to prevent a flanking action by the Mediterranean Sea". literally, when you meant was "They were present to prevent a flanking action "from the direction of" the Mediterranean Sea".
That is why they tell women to yell "FIRE" instead of "RAPE". Because if a woman is getting raped nobody has any business in what people do to each other. I mean sure, have an academic seminar about her being raped..... when you tell me what a rapist can do it is the same, the moral value is zero. (note: apparently the Taliban mutilating women has no moral value but a company who engages in "wage slavery"....well apparently that is something worth assigning moral value.)
This Chomsky is said to be a top intellectual. Sure. His nonsense about 'moral value' ranks for quality with a high school essay. According to Chomsky .."what the Taliban can do has zero moral value". Obviously we Can do something about the Taliban. We must do something and Are doing something about the Taliban. We'll keep sticking it to them. How fortunate that Chomsky has not been offered a cabinet post
The video proves nothing. However it does demonstrate what a wiener Chomsky is
@gangster3591 He isn't a wiener. He is an attention hound. "We could have a discussion about the crimes of Genghis Khan...but it would have no moral value what so ever.." Yet he constantly invokes the crimes of the "Robber Barons" in the 19th century. Apparently being able to invoke moral value must hinge on whether it can be sold in his next book.
@gangster3591 Geez Gang, why give the libiots any ideas about putting Chumpsky (sic) in the Cabinet? Damn, with allies like you, we conservatives hardly need enemies. :)
Moral relativism is a joke. It's true it's more efficient to concern yourself with local problems, but entirely excusing the acts of another culture as none of your business is self-defeating. Intervening in other cultures is not a matter of whether or not we have any right judging them, but if it's in our means to make things better. No culture exists in a bubble. If you believe in something, you owe it to yourself and possibly the world to promote it. Nothing improves if you don't.
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Oh gee,humm..So if Pat can't affect or change them directly, he should stfu eh? His videos do have an affect. He people that can decide to go one way or another see his videos, and can decide on their own. To extend your analogy a little, Russia didn't have youtube or the internet for the rapid sharing of ideas and debate. Your logic might apply when the world was a bigger place, but it's not anymore. Ever since the minute man missile (or the German V rockets), it's a little too small now.
Chomsky is totally wrong here. By his argument it would have been wrong to criticize the Nazi's persecution of the Jews. No, we made a CHOICE to condemn hatred and genocide, call them what they were and take action to stop it once we knew what was happening. We could do the same thing with the any group, if we make the CHOICE to do so. Choosing to do nothing is also a choice, albeit the cowardly, easy choice.
Also, Chomsky's idea here is rather obtuse, and not in an enlightening way. Comparing the reign of Khan to the Taliban is ridiculously flimsy. We CAN do something about what the Taliban has been responsible for, and we have. There is absolute moral value in discussing the wrong-doings of such an organization, especially when there are plenty of ideas about how to handle them. It's sad to see leftists think on such provincial terms.
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Thanks to the fundamentalist Condell retards for voting down this video.
Seriously, Pat Condell is not responsible for the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Mullah's etc. crimes but he is responsible for the crimes of the British government.
The fact that all Condell's fans can come up with is calling Chomsky a "socialist turd" shows how similar they are to the religious fundamentalists that can't argue the issues so all they do is use ad hominems.
Seriously how many of are only ardent atheists because you were overly spanked by your British religious parents?
And @Southparker100000000 in case you weren't aware Britain and the US were actively supporting Hitler by letting businesses invest in him and by being indifferent by policy. If you had any moral responsibility you would be pointing that out.
Tss. Your fancy-pants show off "science" vids and Enlightenmentish channel didn't do much for YOU where some elementary hardcore facts about contemporary world politics are concerned : D
@Southparker100000000 yes it does, it's basically saying "you have no control over it, so stop whining", just because it's not directed at him doesn't mean it is not applicable to him.
@boobagley That's not a logical argument at all retard lol fail. In fact it's a fallacy, just because you are not responsible for someones actions does not mean you cannot criticize their actions, by your logic every country in the world should've let Hitler kill Jews and invade any country he wanted. Why do you hate Jews so much? Why do you support Hitler? I think your Nazi tendencies are damaging to society and strongly condemn them.
@Southparker100000000 riiight... but all of the countries involved in the war had the power to do something about it, otherwise they wouldn't have been involved. so... invalid argument much?
@boobagley LOL that's not Chomsky's argument at all Nazi boy. His argument is completely fallacious as it is a non sequitur line of reasoning that Chomksy abuses often. He invented a constant, and because you appeal to his authority like the brainless imbecile you are, you assume it is correct. In truth he hasn't verified his concept, which cannot be verified because it is unverifiable.
Criticism DOES NOT root from morality.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're a creationist as well as a Nazi.
Pat Condell criticises Islamic appeasement in Western society (usually the UK). As British citizens we ARE responsible for protecting our freedoms from any internal or external threat. This video is thus completely irrelevant to Pat Condell's videos.
It's a fairly simple concept: compromising freedom of expression in order to protect adults from "offence" is an intolerable threat to everything that Western civilisation is built upon. This is the central issue in many of Pat Condell's videos.
Noam seems to be slipping. His arguments are truly vague and without any real merit. It is too bad because I have always been a fan of his and have read some of his books. What happened to him?
Don't insult Pat Condell by placing his name beside Chomsky. Chomsky is brilliant, but so far left he would fall off the edge if the world were flat. Chomsky's achievements in Linguistics are the equivalent of Einstein in Physics, but his political views are unbalanced in my opinion. Pat is the voice of reason and total clarity to my ears.
What kind of desperately nonsensical comment is it to link this with Pat Condell? The greatest irony is that the "author" is actually justifying Islamic crimes by pointing out "British crimes." How ignorant of the detail of his own perceived argument!
The reason that Pat Condell doesn't criticize British crimes is because in Britain, and the entire Western world for that matter, horrible crimes and violations are openly condemned by society at large. Crimes committed by Muslims, however - like stoning women, hanging homosexuals, genital mutilation, death for apostasy - are widely supported in Islamic communities. That is the difference. Try protesting against stoning in Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, and see what happens.
@Sortsdam What a load of rubbish. Police corruption in the UK is pretty rife, especially in the heavily industrialised inner cities. It's rarely discussed, only in the back pages of The Guardian, maybe. Similarly, the Dale Farm evictions got considerable praise - not 'condemned at large' (gypsies are widely persecuted in Europe; see: Italy). On the issue of protest in Iran, etc. well that's because they're tyrannies. That's an argument against tyranny, not against Islam. Have some consistency.
@lolharbandhar No, because the tyranny I am talking about is, as I mentioned, stoning adulterers to death, hanging homosexuals, killing anyone who speaks ill of Muhammad or the Qur'an, etc. This tyranny is cause by Islam, because these are the things that Muhammad taught. That's why despite the fact that they overthrew Gaddafi in Libya, that country is no less oppressive to its own people than it was before. The oppression is just more Islamic. New Libya is now a Sharia state.
@Sortsdam New Libya doesn't even have the institutional framework in place for you to be able to make those declarations. It's undergoing a process of transformation. Obviously those things you mentioned are terrible crimes, but I don't see the connection between religion as being so direct, because religions are essentially Rorschach Tests where they are used to justify just about anything you like.
@Sortsdam I should also add a point that seems fairly obvious. There is a lot of protest going on at the moment in Islamic states against tyranny. Do you not read the news, or something?
Firtsly Chomsky in this video is not talking about Pat Condell at all. and secondly what he says here actually endorses the video's Pat makes. Pat does not make video's to stop people being religious. That's something they themselves can only achieve. Pat makes video's to warn others to not allow these crossdressing fairytale-believers to have any influence on human society. Because they are so full of shit.
While I liked and read Chomsky's pamphlets in the 1960s and 70s, his screeds are just so much sophistry anymore. The poor old guy seems to think that something like the inequality of income in the US is worse than or at least equal to what happens to women under Islam; therefore, we should let those poor women fend for themselves and fight to impose some sort of incomes policy in the US. This is absurd, of course. Chomsky has simply lost it.
Utter and complete fail. He compares discussion of the crimes of the Taliban as morally irrelevant as a discussion of the crimes of Genghis Khan because there is nothing we can do about it? I think we have done something about it and are still doing something about it in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Since when are the moral lessons of history irrelevant? They may be to a revisionist liberal but to the rest of us they are instructive of what and who to watch out for and oppose.
@DVLBP i really dont want to start another stupid youtube argument but we are accomplishing nothing in afghanistan except more dead bodies, its a waste of are time and focus and are government is making sure that it stays that way to keep our minds on war, conflict is one of the least intellctual things we can do and yet we are still killing are brain cells on it, do we really want to just keep having wars until we run out of earth to fight it on, i thought we were cleverer then that. peace
one thing i've noticed on youtube is 99% of the time you read patently obtuse comments it's from troll accounts. they almost never have any uploads of their own and little activity in general. interesting.
Proof? Of what? I watched the video twice and didn't see proof of anything. I doubt that Noam Chomsky has ever heard of Pat Condell. How can he prove someone a hypocrite if he's unaware of him? It's patently absurd. Mr1001nights sounds to me like one of the many Muslims who fall back on the old victim role when they have no argument.
He makes a good point. We can accomplish the most by focussing energy on our own proactivity. Morality is something to strive for, and it's only achieved through efforts directed at one's own actions.
chomsky said nothing when the soviet union invaded afghanistan and killed 25,000 civilians a week. he said NOTHING.
ZERO. He expressed no opposition, NONE WHATSOEVER. Now, when Israel invaded Lebanon, and 20,000 people were killed in two years - Chomsky engaged in a full-blown "human rights" campaign.
Aren't human rights universal? How can Chomsky be so blatantly hypocritical and yet lecture other political pundits on the qualities of moral. this is the guy that supports hezbollah/hamas.
@funnyapples1 Good point , well liked , start prosecution of those responsible for it europe , nd get the fuck out of my land , Jews are commiting more crimes , and I believe Germany did that out of no reason, Yeah sure, Hitler woke up one morning and said after eggs and coffee " Hey I feel like killing 6 million Jews ", Jews were expelled out europe through out history , used by their Zionism. all respect to proffesor chomsky.
It has been proven through history, that people can do a great lot when they do it together, and therefore are responsible for a lot more than just going to work, paying their taxes and handing a vote piece of paper every mandate.
Chomsky merely makes clear his own moral cowardice. There is nothing to learn here other than confirmation of the fact that this man has nothing to teach.
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Hear that, atheists. You can't affect us no matter how much you talk. We'll just ignore you so you can be with your small group of friends in the corner.
Here's Chomsky's formula: 1. Blame all of the world's problems on western democracies (particularly the U.S.,) 2. Absolve petty dictators, warlords, terrorists and criminals of all culpability becasuse "the west drove them to it."
@oldstock1607 Pretty much sums up the root of our problems today. We are ruled by affluent left wing politicians who make us wear a hair shirt, on their behalf, for all of our historical "wrongdoings". Meanwhile, they lounge about on their fat salaries and expenses - never having to deal with the consequences of their abstract policies.
More rubbish from this arrogant pompous old communist apologist. It is a mystery to me how anyone gives this horrible twisted little man any credibility.
It's funny with Chomsky, even for me. I wonder if he, Chomsky, is born in correct time? Because the most righteous time for Chomsky to be born had passed long time ago. His views and comparisons are just as crazy as it sounds, just like the very few well educated among muslims have, an d theirs too totally out of this world and time. Poor jerks who never see their own craziness.
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You getting too old Chomsky take your head out of the bucket of sand and see it for what it is...its your political correctness that has caused these problems...
responsible for what were doing but we cant stop what someone else is doing? i couldnt disagree me. if i saw some guy raping a woman im not going to look the other way im gonna take his ass out.
That is incorrect. Chomsky's political books do not let you make up your own mind. Chomsky has been protecting the worst dictators and craziest religious gangsters for decades. (Hasan Nasralla, Stalin, Sadam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and the list goes on...)
You clearly have never read any of his books, unless you are very poor at comprehension. Chomsky has never said what dictators like Saddam Hussain do are ok. He has simply pointed out that the so called good guys have actually commited far worse crimes and in fact encouraged these exact same people to do such acts.
ie: the people of gaza and israel have commited terrible acts of terrorism. But the difference is israel occupies gaza and in fact founded hamas in the first place.
Chomsky has found a very rewarding career in self-loathing, appeasing the radical Muslim world, hatered of America, and defense of the biggest sleazebags on the planet.
He dismisses all the hard evidence against his case as "CIA propoganda", but is quick to take the Hezbollah PR arm at their word.
according to Chomsky's logic, if you see a man being murdered in front of you on the street, you are obligated to do nothing because you are "not responsible for his morality".
what a terrible idea. leftists will stop at nothing in order to justify their inaction in the face of tyranny.
@ajnode Yes I know that and that is my point. He criticises others and does it himself. As for your 'retard' comment- well I think you need to eat a bit of humble pie.
@577666 No, he's saying if you're not an Afghan what you think of the Taliban is of no moral value. You can affect what happens in your country primarily, so THAT should be your primary focus. Not wailing about foreign regimes you have no influence over.
@577666 He was asked the question - why is he constantly criticising US policy and not Russia's or Chinese and he was simply pointing out that he is a US citizen and therefore his responsibility is to the wrong doings of his own country, who's crimes are carried out in his name. He has no material influence over what happens in other countries, you might as well be talking about events in history but over the activities of his own country and it's political base he has a moral duty. Simple.
@Freidlon7 If he criticize the U.S. only because he is a citizen of the U.S. why does he relentlessly criticize Israel. He is not a citizen of that country. That prove that he is a true demagogic and that he does not criticize Russia or even terror group like Hamas, Hezbollah and other because is a radical and that is what radicals do they like the chaos and anarchy.
@johnykalykaba Simply because without the explicit unreserved support by the US Israel could not continue flaunting international law and it's apartheid system of discrimination that is unprecedented in modern 'civilised' world. Without US support their illegal inhumane treatment of palestinians and others would not be possible, therefore the US is extremely complicit in these crimes.
@Freidlon7 Regardless of nationality, we have a responsibility to criticize those who commit heinous acts. And regardless of time or place, we are all human, and we all deserve to be treated with basic respect, and to be protected from those who are unwilling to give us that respect.
I fail to see why some arbitrary lines drawn on a map should limit us from making it known that others, in other parts of the world, are committing moral injustices. Chomsky's words are dangerous and self-centred.
@Freidlon7 With all due respect - which is none, my man - that's a steaming load of bullshit. It should be self evident that other countries and their citizens can, with the political will to do so, influence or control other nations. How else does he explain how America commits said "crimes"? Chomsky rags on America(ns/n government) Because A) He can and B) He thinks he's right. Leaving aside that I think he's wrong about almost everything this "I am powerless" argument Is fucking retarded.
@alexanderheritage That is simply one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Well done. It takes some remarkable intellectual gymnastics to disagree with everything Chomsky says (not just some but all??!!). As for arguing with the likes of you I couldn't honestly be bothered.
@577666 Chomsky is addressing the criticism that in his talk, he had been talking to the audience about the crimes of their government which that audience can impact. The critic felt that the crimes of his country's enemies were not receiving similar attention, and Chomsky is explaining why debating something over which one has no control is irrelevant from personal, moral action perspective.
i guess denouncing + discrediting the taliban has zero moral value
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what a complete clown
bigcherry99 19 hours ago
Shouldn't this guy (this chomsky) be publically flogged for crimes against humanity??? What an idiot.
GTCism 2 days ago
The reason we cant do anything about Gengis Khan is becuase he's dead asshole! whereas the people of Sri Lanka ar still alive. Stupidest man on the planet.
gunner23 3 days ago
@gunner23 Sure is it's like he is saying when you see a women getting raped don't call the police it's none of your business and it is unethical!! What a jack ass this Chumpsky is!!
DrBakshandeh 4 hours ago
It’s only Zero if one cannot do a single thing about the injustices. One cannot eradicate evil by simply identifying it. One must have the will and ability to impose permanent changes. But the West would be loathed to wade in and impose Regime Change on an ethical/moral bases. To do so would actually add more suffering, with little to gain. So the suffering continues, since humanity cannot end suffering – only add to it – whatever it does. Evil is here to stay - unless God intervenes.
Charismatic789 1 week ago
What a load of bollocks!
deah99 1 week ago
What a demagogue!!!
011jaffa 2 weeks ago
Excellent point. though i find it worrysome that Condells zombies just don't understand it. its a very simple concept.
educution 3 weeks ago
Fake. I had problems to follow him first. So i listened twice. Don´t make the same mistake. And to prove Pat Condell´s "hypocrisy" would be taken far more time than 1:06. And on what issue?
loveandpeace71 3 weeks ago
chomsky is a tool, he tricks people into thinking he's profound by being mind numbingly boring, he's a left wing reactionary, and a puppet of the multi-nationalist power movement.
thesearewarningsigns 3 weeks ago
@thesearewarningsigns Actually usually Chomsky fools people by siting some obscure thing he has read and then making people believe that if they haven't read it then they don't know what they are talking about. In about 80% of his videos he will say "well if you read (insert obscure paper). And he is a capitalist that gets rich bashing capitalism. also he is a douche. And as you say, a tool. Cheers.
mixmastermeeks 1 week ago
@mixmastermeeks Cheers to you brother!
thesearewarningsigns 1 week ago
@thesearewarningsigns And you as well. We have to stick together about this bullshit.
mixmastermeeks 1 week ago
@mixmastermeeks indeed, someone has to point out that these figures they feed us were manufactured to keep us confused and discouraged.
thesearewarningsigns 1 week ago
@mixmastermeeks Don't forget he's also a chump it's basically in his name.
DrBakshandeh 4 hours ago
Yeah, like Chomsky knows who that Pat guy is.
fzjanjua 3 weeks ago
fake and gay
CrusaderDom3 3 weeks ago
Did I miss the part about Pat Condell. I listened twice and Chomsky didn't mention him once.
warwolfii 3 weeks ago
Flag this video as "Spam>Misleading text".
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lynxark 3 weeks ago
By the way mr1001nights I had a post defending/clarifying Chomsky's point in the context of the full discussion and it got lot's of thumbs up but then it was taken down. What's that about?
Freidlon7 3 weeks ago
The people posting here are such fucking little cowards. I would LOVE to see you take on Chomsky in a one on one debate and get utterly destroyed within minutes by the power of this man's mind and knowledge. It's amazing that every post against Chomsky are bitter little diatribes with hateful personal adjuncts. Richard Perle took him on and was literally speechless by the end of it. He was battered by pure logic. Not one of you have made a single descent rebuke. But I wouldn't expect it.
Freidlon7 3 weeks ago
@Freidlon7 Any intelligent conservative could dispel little Noam with about half of their brain. Noamy did not lay a glove on Perle. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid
PhanaJG24 1 week ago
lol. I could debate whether your a moron or dumb ass.
pureperil 4 weeks ago
Fine atleast people know atleast freedom gets a chance l aleast people know that All Islamic republics dont have freedom in almost anything.
gergar121 1 month ago
another Chomsky video, another bunch of right-wing morons slinging ad hominems because they dont have the intellect to argue Chomskys points :) so telling.
xjaskix 1 month ago
@xjaskix you sir, are the one who's idiocy is so telling if you believe that old fart's incessant, incoherent babbling. Chomsky is for pods, easily led and bovine. don't a pod, don't be a cow. be a human. we are capable of critical thought...you should be too :)
lordfarty 3 weeks ago
@xjaskix His only point was that "we" should look at "our" sins rather than "theirs". The fallacy is that there is no "us". Chomsky believes that "we", the West, are somehow one big team, represented by the Western state(s). I'm not any more responsible for any Western government's actions than I am for any Islamic government's actions. I'm not part of a tribe and and I'm certainly not in any team with Chomsky.
john42t 2 weeks ago
@john42t So in other words unless we are a perfect society we should allow any other society to do what ever they please? That worked great in Rwanda. I guess we should have let the Serbs commit genocide on the Muslims? Hey, we would like to help, but we aren't perfect. What a crock.
mixmastermeeks 1 week ago
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@mixmastermeeks "So in other words unless we are a perfect society we should allow..." No, this is in fact entirely unrelated to what I said.
john42t 1 week ago
Typical mindless babbling of this effeminate little anti-Western, pro-Muslim dirtbag. How can MIT justify having this pseudointellectual moron on the faculty?
PhanaJG24 1 month ago 3
@PhanaJG24 Maybe MIT wants another idea on how to operate. You know, because their guns have done such a great job at making the world a better place and all.....<------Sarcasm in case you are to tunnel-visioned to see outside the box.
reedo1703 3 weeks ago
@reedo1703 The guns I used worked quite during Desert Storm. Fortunately, we did not have any addle-brained limp-wristed little wankers like Noam to worry about. Well, we did have the French, but they were kept far away from any action. They were present to prevent a flanking action by the Mediterranean Sea. Hope that wasn't over your head.
PhanaJG24 1 week ago
@PhanaJG24 LOL you totally missed the point dude. The only reason we had anything or anyone to fight is because our American elite class sold them the weapons. They are the shepard and you are the sheep in fighting for their cause. World domination. Oh, and please don't think you were actually defending America's freedom, nobody was or is invading us. Get off the terrorist talk and wake up, I know you and many others are smarter than this. Violence breeds violence.
reedo1703 1 week ago
@reedo1703 Reedo, thank you for the civilized reply. However, you are wayyyy off base on where the Iraqis received their weapons. My memory is a tad hazy and I am too busy to Google it, but as I recall the Soviets/Russians and the ex-Warsaw Pact states gave them about 70-80% of their hardware, with the French a distant third with about 15%. Very little of their stuff was American-made or licensed. Please research radical Islam in more detail and then view Noam's naiviety.
PhanaJG24 2 days ago
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@PhanaJG24 "They were present to prevent a flanking action by the Mediterranean Sea." Thanks - best laugh this week.
freebeerfordworkers 4 days ago
@freebeerfordworkers What's so funny free?? The French did a great job. They got where they were supposed to be, kept an eye on the Syrians, managed to hold off the counterattack by the Med Sea, and stayed out of the way of the English regulars and Royal Marines who actually had some combat missions to perform. Compared to their performance in WWII, Dien Bien Phu, and Algeria, this was an impressive outing!! Do I sense some Francophobia on your part?
PhanaJG24 2 days ago
@PhanaJG24 Nothing of the kind, I just thought it an amusing comment and humour has nothing to do with fact. I have read about Dien Bein Phu in "The Last Valley" and their performance there was incredible despite losing. As to Algeria the view is in military terms they won, but the long term political position was unsustainable. In the Crimea in 1856 a young British officer watched the French attacking & asked an old officer who had fought there, "Are you sure you won Waterloo?"
freebeerfordworkers 2 days ago
@PhanaJG24 Sorry I guess I took "They were present to prevent a flanking action by the Mediterranean Sea". literally, when you meant was "They were present to prevent a flanking action "from the direction of" the Mediterranean Sea".
freebeerfordworkers 2 days ago
@PhanaJG24 Best comment I heard about Chumpsky so far. I should know I'm Persian.
DrBakshandeh 4 hours ago
This video is completely misnamed.
It should be called:
"The usual bla bla of Chomksy"
smike53 1 month ago 5
@smike53 Chumpsky is the biggest chump of all the chumps on Earth! An embarassment to my religion.
DrBakshandeh 5 hours ago
That is why they tell women to yell "FIRE" instead of "RAPE". Because if a woman is getting raped nobody has any business in what people do to each other. I mean sure, have an academic seminar about her being raped..... when you tell me what a rapist can do it is the same, the moral value is zero. (note: apparently the Taliban mutilating women has no moral value but a company who engages in "wage slavery"....well apparently that is something worth assigning moral value.)
mixmastermeeks 1 month ago 2
This Chomsky is said to be a top intellectual. Sure. His nonsense about 'moral value' ranks for quality with a high school essay. According to Chomsky .."what the Taliban can do has zero moral value". Obviously we Can do something about the Taliban. We must do something and Are doing something about the Taliban. We'll keep sticking it to them. How fortunate that Chomsky has not been offered a cabinet post
The video proves nothing. However it does demonstrate what a wiener Chomsky is
gangster3591 1 month ago
@gangster3591 He isn't a wiener. He is an attention hound. "We could have a discussion about the crimes of Genghis Khan...but it would have no moral value what so ever.." Yet he constantly invokes the crimes of the "Robber Barons" in the 19th century. Apparently being able to invoke moral value must hinge on whether it can be sold in his next book.
mixmastermeeks 1 month ago
@gangster3591 Geez Gang, why give the libiots any ideas about putting Chumpsky (sic) in the Cabinet? Damn, with allies like you, we conservatives hardly need enemies. :)
PhanaJG24 2 days ago
Moral relativism is a joke. It's true it's more efficient to concern yourself with local problems, but entirely excusing the acts of another culture as none of your business is self-defeating. Intervening in other cultures is not a matter of whether or not we have any right judging them, but if it's in our means to make things better. No culture exists in a bubble. If you believe in something, you owe it to yourself and possibly the world to promote it. Nothing improves if you don't.
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THEHELENOHENZO 1 month ago
Oh gee,humm..So if Pat can't affect or change them directly, he should stfu eh? His videos do have an affect. He people that can decide to go one way or another see his videos, and can decide on their own. To extend your analogy a little, Russia didn't have youtube or the internet for the rapid sharing of ideas and debate. Your logic might apply when the world was a bigger place, but it's not anymore. Ever since the minute man missile (or the German V rockets), it's a little too small now.
supadupagmailcom 1 month ago
fuck noam
bsteck777 1 month ago
Chomsky is totally wrong here. By his argument it would have been wrong to criticize the Nazi's persecution of the Jews. No, we made a CHOICE to condemn hatred and genocide, call them what they were and take action to stop it once we knew what was happening. We could do the same thing with the any group, if we make the CHOICE to do so. Choosing to do nothing is also a choice, albeit the cowardly, easy choice.
madaxe606 1 month ago
@madaxe606 "we made a CHOICE" who's we?
MrG0TH1ER 1 month ago
Also, Chomsky's idea here is rather obtuse, and not in an enlightening way. Comparing the reign of Khan to the Taliban is ridiculously flimsy. We CAN do something about what the Taliban has been responsible for, and we have. There is absolute moral value in discussing the wrong-doings of such an organization, especially when there are plenty of ideas about how to handle them. It's sad to see leftists think on such provincial terms.
guidedbyvices3 1 month ago
Can't think and wonder how long it takes to loose the weight I have put on over so manyyears and one affect this will ultimately have on health. I think that the sooner some one get active, man every knows what a difference that will make. Over the next year I plan to lose a hope enough to fit back into my old pants. all power to the body rockers and every one trying to loose
Lesserthannone 1 month ago
@Lesserthannone I was trolling something else and used this place to see if my criptogram would work. the arrangement didn't. It was ment to spell camel toe in the margin.
Lesserthannone 1 month ago
this has nothing to do with Pat Condell
MajinVegeto89 1 month ago
1954 butthurt Pat Condell fans watched this.
MsZeitgeist85 1 month ago
@mizerlad:
Ignoramus, why don't you discuss the substance of Chomsky's point? Let me take a wild guess: you're too stupid to comprehend it.
introduire 1 month ago
Here is a man educated beyond his intelligence.
Kameraman1957 1 month ago
Thanks to the fundamentalist Condell retards for voting down this video.
Seriously, Pat Condell is not responsible for the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Mullah's etc. crimes but he is responsible for the crimes of the British government.
The fact that all Condell's fans can come up with is calling Chomsky a "socialist turd" shows how similar they are to the religious fundamentalists that can't argue the issues so all they do is use ad hominems.
AndroidPolitician 1 month ago 3
@AndroidPolitician
Actually calling Chomsky a socialist turd isn't an ad hominem. Saying that Chomsky's position is wrong because he is a socialist turd is.
yuothineyesasian 1 month ago
@yuothineyesasian
Well then that would just make it a retarded argument then wouldn't it?
AndroidPolitician 1 month ago
Pat Condell > Noam Chomsky
bywukime 1 month ago
@bywukime @EugenieFranval2 @mizerlad @theSicilianToe
Seriously how many of are only ardent atheists because you were overly spanked by your British religious parents?
And @Southparker100000000 in case you weren't aware Britain and the US were actively supporting Hitler by letting businesses invest in him and by being indifferent by policy. If you had any moral responsibility you would be pointing that out.
AndroidPolitician 1 month ago
Didn't know anyone still took this socialist turd seriously. I guess the stupid shall remain forever with us
mizerlad 1 month ago
What does this Chomsky clip have to do with Pat Condell???
FunkMan53 2 months ago
Stop the holocaust on Muslims.
DrMerkwuerdichliebe 2 months ago
@DrMerkwuerdichliebe lol what holocaust you dumb chimp
theSicilianToe 1 month ago
@theSicilianToe
Tss. Your fancy-pants show off "science" vids and Enlightenmentish channel didn't do much for YOU where some elementary hardcore facts about contemporary world politics are concerned : D
Lmao about that would-be Einstein.
DrMerkwuerdichliebe 1 month ago
@DrMerkwuerdichliebe Writing a paragraph long insult that makes no sense isnt going to change your ignorant statement, twat weasle. Fuck off.
theSicilianToe 1 month ago
@theSicilianToe
Oh..., I get it..., Freddy. You're one of those 1938 Ersatz-Einsteins who seem to be predominant on this vid.
# Stop the worldwide genocide on Muslims #
PS. Thanks for posting this, Jonathan. And the long hair go very well on you
DrMerkwuerdichliebe 1 month ago
@DrMerkwuerdichliebe Are you an idiot? You ramble and make no sense.
theSicilianToe 1 month ago
lol This doesn't apply to Pat Condell at all. lol fail.
Southparker100000000 2 months ago 35
@Southparker100000000 yes it does, it's basically saying "you have no control over it, so stop whining", just because it's not directed at him doesn't mean it is not applicable to him.
boobagley 2 months ago
@boobagley That's not a logical argument at all retard lol fail. In fact it's a fallacy, just because you are not responsible for someones actions does not mean you cannot criticize their actions, by your logic every country in the world should've let Hitler kill Jews and invade any country he wanted. Why do you hate Jews so much? Why do you support Hitler? I think your Nazi tendencies are damaging to society and strongly condemn them.
Southparker100000000 2 months ago
@Southparker100000000 riiight... but all of the countries involved in the war had the power to do something about it, otherwise they wouldn't have been involved. so... invalid argument much?
boobagley 2 months ago
@boobagley LOL that's not Chomsky's argument at all Nazi boy. His argument is completely fallacious as it is a non sequitur line of reasoning that Chomksy abuses often. He invented a constant, and because you appeal to his authority like the brainless imbecile you are, you assume it is correct. In truth he hasn't verified his concept, which cannot be verified because it is unverifiable.
Criticism DOES NOT root from morality.
I wouldn't be surprised if you're a creationist as well as a Nazi.
Southparker100000000 2 months ago
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boobagley 2 months ago
@boobagley But seeing as you're borderline retarded, you probably won't understand.
Southparker100000000 2 months ago
Pat Condell criticises Islamic appeasement in Western society (usually the UK). As British citizens we ARE responsible for protecting our freedoms from any internal or external threat. This video is thus completely irrelevant to Pat Condell's videos.
novasigma 2 months ago 65
@novasigma You people are all so stupid it hurts. Just causes me physical pain.
JebusPrisms 4 weeks ago
@novasigma Protecting British freedoms? Are you that simple?
brownie1982ad 3 weeks ago
@brownie1982ad
It's a fairly simple concept: compromising freedom of expression in order to protect adults from "offence" is an intolerable threat to everything that Western civilisation is built upon. This is the central issue in many of Pat Condell's videos.
novasigma 3 weeks ago
Lol at the people criticizing Chomsky. Did you even understand his argument?
PktMma 2 months ago
Noam seems to be slipping. His arguments are truly vague and without any real merit. It is too bad because I have always been a fan of his and have read some of his books. What happened to him?
agoraemily 2 months ago
@agoraemily He was always a dumbass, he just ran out of arguments and ideas to steal from other authors.
Southparker100000000 2 months ago
i would rather a world ruled by America, than the chinese, the russians or the islamist.
LePetitGrosse 2 months ago
@LePetitGrosse I guess that's because you either live in America or under one of its business partners.
PktMma 2 months ago
@PktMmai i live in malaysia. go america!
LePetitGrosse 2 months ago
@LePetitGrosse "Country:France"
PktMma 2 months ago
@PktMma "i am studying in france"
LePetitGrosse 2 months ago
Don't insult Pat Condell by placing his name beside Chomsky. Chomsky is brilliant, but so far left he would fall off the edge if the world were flat. Chomsky's achievements in Linguistics are the equivalent of Einstein in Physics, but his political views are unbalanced in my opinion. Pat is the voice of reason and total clarity to my ears.
HugeGene 2 months ago
LOL why even bother then you senile?
jotacravo 2 months ago
What kind of desperately nonsensical comment is it to link this with Pat Condell? The greatest irony is that the "author" is actually justifying Islamic crimes by pointing out "British crimes." How ignorant of the detail of his own perceived argument!
bluecats 2 months ago
pat is a legend!!
moveintothelight 2 months ago
This vid has nothing to do with Pat Condell.
outlander271 2 months ago
The reason that Pat Condell doesn't criticize British crimes is because in Britain, and the entire Western world for that matter, horrible crimes and violations are openly condemned by society at large. Crimes committed by Muslims, however - like stoning women, hanging homosexuals, genital mutilation, death for apostasy - are widely supported in Islamic communities. That is the difference. Try protesting against stoning in Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, and see what happens.
Sortsdam 2 months ago
@Sortsdam Well said.
outlander271 2 months ago
@Sortsdam What a load of rubbish. Police corruption in the UK is pretty rife, especially in the heavily industrialised inner cities. It's rarely discussed, only in the back pages of The Guardian, maybe. Similarly, the Dale Farm evictions got considerable praise - not 'condemned at large' (gypsies are widely persecuted in Europe; see: Italy). On the issue of protest in Iran, etc. well that's because they're tyrannies. That's an argument against tyranny, not against Islam. Have some consistency.
lolharbandhar 2 months ago
@lolharbandhar No, because the tyranny I am talking about is, as I mentioned, stoning adulterers to death, hanging homosexuals, killing anyone who speaks ill of Muhammad or the Qur'an, etc. This tyranny is cause by Islam, because these are the things that Muhammad taught. That's why despite the fact that they overthrew Gaddafi in Libya, that country is no less oppressive to its own people than it was before. The oppression is just more Islamic. New Libya is now a Sharia state.
Sortsdam 2 months ago
@Sortsdam New Libya doesn't even have the institutional framework in place for you to be able to make those declarations. It's undergoing a process of transformation. Obviously those things you mentioned are terrible crimes, but I don't see the connection between religion as being so direct, because religions are essentially Rorschach Tests where they are used to justify just about anything you like.
lolharbandhar 2 months ago
@Sortsdam I should also add a point that seems fairly obvious. There is a lot of protest going on at the moment in Islamic states against tyranny. Do you not read the news, or something?
lolharbandhar 2 months ago
Firtsly Chomsky in this video is not talking about Pat Condell at all. and secondly what he says here actually endorses the video's Pat makes. Pat does not make video's to stop people being religious. That's something they themselves can only achieve. Pat makes video's to warn others to not allow these crossdressing fairytale-believers to have any influence on human society. Because they are so full of shit.
threewing 2 months ago
While I liked and read Chomsky's pamphlets in the 1960s and 70s, his screeds are just so much sophistry anymore. The poor old guy seems to think that something like the inequality of income in the US is worse than or at least equal to what happens to women under Islam; therefore, we should let those poor women fend for themselves and fight to impose some sort of incomes policy in the US. This is absurd, of course. Chomsky has simply lost it.
jackfulcher 2 months ago
Utter and complete fail. He compares discussion of the crimes of the Taliban as morally irrelevant as a discussion of the crimes of Genghis Khan because there is nothing we can do about it? I think we have done something about it and are still doing something about it in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Since when are the moral lessons of history irrelevant? They may be to a revisionist liberal but to the rest of us they are instructive of what and who to watch out for and oppose.
DVLBP 2 months ago
@DVLBP i really dont want to start another stupid youtube argument but we are accomplishing nothing in afghanistan except more dead bodies, its a waste of are time and focus and are government is making sure that it stays that way to keep our minds on war, conflict is one of the least intellctual things we can do and yet we are still killing are brain cells on it, do we really want to just keep having wars until we run out of earth to fight it on, i thought we were cleverer then that. peace
pm108sstkteom 2 months ago
one thing i've noticed on youtube is 99% of the time you read patently obtuse comments it's from troll accounts. they almost never have any uploads of their own and little activity in general. interesting.
MisterBouncyBounce 2 months ago
talking to a conservative is like talking to the north end of a south bound horse.
MisterBouncyBounce 2 months ago
to all the fucking conservative condelites that didnt get it, he debunks a VIEW that pat holds.
gulbirk 2 months ago
Why anyone even listens to this idiot?
FaithfreedomFFI 2 months ago
@FaithfreedomFFI Yes, why would anyone bother to listen to this idiot?
markusboyd3 2 months ago
Proof? Of what? I watched the video twice and didn't see proof of anything. I doubt that Noam Chomsky has ever heard of Pat Condell. How can he prove someone a hypocrite if he's unaware of him? It's patently absurd. Mr1001nights sounds to me like one of the many Muslims who fall back on the old victim role when they have no argument.
warwolfii 2 months ago
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MisterBouncyBounce 2 months ago
He makes a good point. We can accomplish the most by focussing energy on our own proactivity. Morality is something to strive for, and it's only achieved through efforts directed at one's own actions.
andwhatfire 2 months ago
What?
1981WishBone 2 months ago
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Zionist stooge, I bet they give him a cookie each time they create such a video.
hasbor 2 months ago
Chomsky has become a doddering fool. He makes no sense, not a single logical point, and sounds delusional.
PhuqueUTube3 2 months ago
Once brilliant.... now just sort of doddering. He should stick to linguistics and stay out of politics.
mouthyweasel 2 months ago
No debating it? Wow, Chomsky sounds like the taliban.
waycooltoo 3 months ago
chomsky said nothing when the soviet union invaded afghanistan and killed 25,000 civilians a week. he said NOTHING.
ZERO. He expressed no opposition, NONE WHATSOEVER. Now, when Israel invaded Lebanon, and 20,000 people were killed in two years - Chomsky engaged in a full-blown "human rights" campaign.
Aren't human rights universal? How can Chomsky be so blatantly hypocritical and yet lecture other political pundits on the qualities of moral. this is the guy that supports hezbollah/hamas.
ImNeilPatrickHarris 3 months ago
@ImNeilPatrickHarris
We should just stop participating in terrorism and get over it.
l3lip 2 months ago
@l3lip
persuasive. really. so thoughtful.
ImNeilPatrickHarris 2 months ago
so... this basically means tha Mr. Chmosky could well excercise his free speech amidst the taliban.
leenkiss 3 months ago
I have seen this video being used in attempt to attack atheist and reasonable people
get a life
XRedxEyedxWandererX 3 months ago 17
i wonder how he would react to 6 million jews being sent to their deaths...is there no moral value to that?
funnyapples1 3 months ago
@funnyapples1 Good point , well liked , start prosecution of those responsible for it europe , nd get the fuck out of my land , Jews are commiting more crimes , and I believe Germany did that out of no reason, Yeah sure, Hitler woke up one morning and said after eggs and coffee " Hey I feel like killing 6 million Jews ", Jews were expelled out europe through out history , used by their Zionism. all respect to proffesor chomsky.
Ahmadintube 3 months ago
lol pathetic...
funnyapples1 3 months ago
It has been proven through history, that people can do a great lot when they do it together, and therefore are responsible for a lot more than just going to work, paying their taxes and handing a vote piece of paper every mandate.
WarPig15 3 months ago
How the fuck was this guy voted #1 Public intellectual?
OhmgrownCron 3 months ago
Chomsky merely makes clear his own moral cowardice. There is nothing to learn here other than confirmation of the fact that this man has nothing to teach.
sjenk1ns 3 months ago
"...It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism..." Vladimir Lenin
Is it any mistake that it is the right wingers are the most bigoted and racists? No, they are the most in tune with capitalist and corporatist propaganda.
FreeTheWorker 3 months ago
@lulurauselesstroll well then i guess I...along with many others, have taken the term "idiot" to a whole new and improved intellectual level.
codern 3 months ago
YOU PROVE FUCK ALL!
codern 3 months ago
I'm ashamed of that Chomsky is a Jew like I am. What a shithead.
DISCOnnected90 3 months ago
Hear that, atheists. You can't affect us no matter how much you talk. We'll just ignore you so you can be with your small group of friends in the corner.
triadsaint48 3 months ago
The ONLY thing this video proves is that Chomsky is an IDIOT!
lysel3 3 months ago
What a pratt!
gemstoneminstrell 3 months ago
Here's Chomsky's formula: 1. Blame all of the world's problems on western democracies (particularly the U.S.,) 2. Absolve petty dictators, warlords, terrorists and criminals of all culpability becasuse "the west drove them to it."
No wonder leftists think he's the second coming.
oldstock1607 3 months ago 2
@oldstock1607 Pretty much sums up the root of our problems today. We are ruled by affluent left wing politicians who make us wear a hair shirt, on their behalf, for all of our historical "wrongdoings". Meanwhile, they lounge about on their fat salaries and expenses - never having to deal with the consequences of their abstract policies.
herringfly 3 months ago
@herringfly Indeed.Mr. Chomsky here is a veritable hair shirt merchant.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
More rubbish from this arrogant pompous old communist apologist. It is a mystery to me how anyone gives this horrible twisted little man any credibility.
keabird111 3 months ago
It's funny with Chomsky, even for me. I wonder if he, Chomsky, is born in correct time? Because the most righteous time for Chomsky to be born had passed long time ago. His views and comparisons are just as crazy as it sounds, just like the very few well educated among muslims have, an d theirs too totally out of this world and time. Poor jerks who never see their own craziness.
kiefko 3 months ago
@kiefko Therefore all muslims are jerks and crazy idiots, and you are far superior. Humm interesting !!
What makes you claim this ?
babkrani 3 months ago
chomsky? that old stinking cunt who hasn't done anything but bash the usa and find excuses for every dictator on the planet? give me a break.
topperheartramada 3 months ago
he is a stooge for Islamist/communist
alskyification 3 months ago
Chomsky is a Jew speaking AGAINST the Babylonian Talmud worshippers in Israel.
He is essentially a HERO of our times.
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brutaltacokid 4 months ago
You getting too old Chomsky take your head out of the bucket of sand and see it for what it is...its your political correctness that has caused these problems...
jak8670 4 months ago
responsible for what were doing but we cant stop what someone else is doing? i couldnt disagree me. if i saw some guy raping a woman im not going to look the other way im gonna take his ass out.
MsReefmaster 4 months ago
wow this guys and idiot.
viper10011 4 months ago
Chomsky is an amazing example of the moral hypocrisy and dishonesty of the so called intellectual left.
He is a master in throwing sand in the air in order to justify the worst of human behaviors.
johndifull 4 months ago
@johndifull
I have read many of chomskys books and seen many of his interviews and i have never once heard him try and justify 'the worst of human behaviours'.
He simply put things in context and allows you to make up your own mind.
srspower 4 months ago
@srspower
That is incorrect. Chomsky's political books do not let you make up your own mind. Chomsky has been protecting the worst dictators and craziest religious gangsters for decades. (Hasan Nasralla, Stalin, Sadam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and the list goes on...)
johndifull 4 months ago
@johndifull
You clearly have never read any of his books, unless you are very poor at comprehension. Chomsky has never said what dictators like Saddam Hussain do are ok. He has simply pointed out that the so called good guys have actually commited far worse crimes and in fact encouraged these exact same people to do such acts.
ie: the people of gaza and israel have commited terrible acts of terrorism. But the difference is israel occupies gaza and in fact founded hamas in the first place.
srspower 4 months ago 2
@johndifull, very true.
Chomsky has found a very rewarding career in self-loathing, appeasing the radical Muslim world, hatered of America, and defense of the biggest sleazebags on the planet.
He dismisses all the hard evidence against his case as "CIA propoganda", but is quick to take the Hezbollah PR arm at their word.
LibertyDownUnder 4 months ago
according to Chomsky's logic, if you see a man being murdered in front of you on the street, you are obligated to do nothing because you are "not responsible for his morality".
what a terrible idea. leftists will stop at nothing in order to justify their inaction in the face of tyranny.
johndifull 4 months ago
Chomsky proves nothing. He merely says that by talking about it, it won't change the morality. Well, then why is Chomsky talking about it?
577666 4 months ago 21
@577666
Retard, hes addressing the issue of talking about it specific immoral issues in general - not the issue itself.
ajnode 4 months ago
@ajnode Yes I know that and that is my point. He criticises others and does it himself. As for your 'retard' comment- well I think you need to eat a bit of humble pie.
577666 4 months ago
@577666
He was talking about the invasion of Afghanistan. Are you THAT retarded?
g4macdad 4 months ago
@577666 Because he is a thinker and that is what he does :).
666KoJack 3 months ago
@577666 He wants to respond to the question?
mickelwest 3 months ago
@577666 chew a little bit on that opinion
juanito3210 3 months ago
@577666 No, he's saying if you're not an Afghan what you think of the Taliban is of no moral value. You can affect what happens in your country primarily, so THAT should be your primary focus. Not wailing about foreign regimes you have no influence over.
Redcarpet01 3 months ago
@577666 He's talking about talking about it.
mojorhythm 2 months ago
@577666 He was asked the question - why is he constantly criticising US policy and not Russia's or Chinese and he was simply pointing out that he is a US citizen and therefore his responsibility is to the wrong doings of his own country, who's crimes are carried out in his name. He has no material influence over what happens in other countries, you might as well be talking about events in history but over the activities of his own country and it's political base he has a moral duty. Simple.
Freidlon7 2 months ago 35
@Freidlon7 If he criticize the U.S. only because he is a citizen of the U.S. why does he relentlessly criticize Israel. He is not a citizen of that country. That prove that he is a true demagogic and that he does not criticize Russia or even terror group like Hamas, Hezbollah and other because is a radical and that is what radicals do they like the chaos and anarchy.
johnykalykaba 2 months ago
@johnykalykaba Simply because without the explicit unreserved support by the US Israel could not continue flaunting international law and it's apartheid system of discrimination that is unprecedented in modern 'civilised' world. Without US support their illegal inhumane treatment of palestinians and others would not be possible, therefore the US is extremely complicit in these crimes.
Freidlon7 2 months ago
@Freidlon7 Regardless of nationality, we have a responsibility to criticize those who commit heinous acts. And regardless of time or place, we are all human, and we all deserve to be treated with basic respect, and to be protected from those who are unwilling to give us that respect.
I fail to see why some arbitrary lines drawn on a map should limit us from making it known that others, in other parts of the world, are committing moral injustices. Chomsky's words are dangerous and self-centred.
SlaughterMeister 1 month ago
Agreed
yuothineyesasian 1 month ago
@Freidlon7 With all due respect - which is none, my man - that's a steaming load of bullshit. It should be self evident that other countries and their citizens can, with the political will to do so, influence or control other nations. How else does he explain how America commits said "crimes"? Chomsky rags on America(ns/n government) Because A) He can and B) He thinks he's right. Leaving aside that I think he's wrong about almost everything this "I am powerless" argument Is fucking retarded.
alexanderheritage 1 month ago
@alexanderheritage That is simply one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Well done. It takes some remarkable intellectual gymnastics to disagree with everything Chomsky says (not just some but all??!!). As for arguing with the likes of you I couldn't honestly be bothered.
Freidlon7 1 month ago
@577666 Chomsky is addressing the criticism that in his talk, he had been talking to the audience about the crimes of their government which that audience can impact. The critic felt that the crimes of his country's enemies were not receiving similar attention, and Chomsky is explaining why debating something over which one has no control is irrelevant from personal, moral action perspective.
K0ndratyuk 2 months ago
This man should win the Ignoble Prize for his stupidity.
FaithfreedomFFI 4 months ago