Fernandez has amazing raw talent. FYI, steroids don't help distance runners. They use EPO if anything, steroids would just give them extra muscle that would probably slow them down. If you want proof of him being clean, he won the NCAA 1500 men's title as a Freshman leading the whole race. He just gets injured very easily, which is why he's out of the spotlight right now.
Lukas has had a life time of training with olympic parents that knew exactly how to train him. Germans natural talent came out of nowhere he never had training like Lukas and yet he still managed to become a great runner in a short amount of time.
This young man has a well trained style. No wasted motion, minimal arm movement. He looks lighter in weight than the rest. Just a well oiled, balanced, running machine on a good day. Couple that with the desire and heart to win it all, no matter what, and you have a championship performance. Suspicion turned into a direct accusation of performance enhancement. Not good.
what this guy does it possible without steriods. look at alan webb, he ran 3:53 in the MILE which is like 3:52 in the 1600m. thats far faster than german fernandez in the 1600 while in high school
Uploader fail, steroids would in no way benefit a runner, in fact the added muscle tissue would most likely slow him down. Doping blood however would be quite useful, too bad this dude didn't do that shit.
Lets see, German ran 4:22 as a freshman in high school while running 20 mile weeks, ran around 15:15 as a sophomore at Woodward Park. He got injured for a while in between there but senior year, set the all time record at Woodword Park with a 14:24, which is around 4:37 mile pace for a 5k. During the early season in track, he ran a 4:21 and a 8:53 double. And one last statistic, the week before at Masters, he ran a 4:07.62 1600m and a 8:45.08 3200m in the same day.
@Shabaka87 You notice that? The guys getting lapped should be moving to the outside to allow the runner lapping them to the inside. That guy getting lapped should've moved.
the asshole who posted this video is really, really, really misinformed for saying that fernandez may have taken steroids or blood-doped. look back at german's times throughout high school. 4:22 1600m as a freshman, 15:14 at woodward at the state meet as a soph, off year in xc junior year, then 14:24 at woodward... then this 8:34 3200m. he has been stellar for a very long time and is an example of the type of the progression that can be achieved by a supremely hard-working and talented athlete.
"I've done such a double and I can tell you that once your wind is knocked out of you from the mile and your legs have been deadened and are not functioning at full capacity, it is extremely hard to come back and run a great 3200."
So basically u suck at doubling is what ur saying?
how can you accuse him of using peds? im from new jersey and i have seen the rosa twins run and joe rosa as a junior last year ran 8:48 in the 3200 and he actually lost by 2 secinds he also smashed the homdel park record in cross country by 20 seconds and breaking 15 on a crazy tough course to another junior these times are run because some one ran a time and people want to beat it just because someone works harder then you doesnt mean they are doping they are just tougher and maybe built to run
johnharlin i agree with you. it makes me a little suspicious that somebody runs a qualifying heat of 4:11 the day before, then runs two 2 minute 800m's back to back. and two hours later runs 8:34 3200m. had this been the only event he ran, it would seem more realistic.
Dude you're a fucking idiot. I agree with all the other comments about your farfetched suspection of him taking steriods. Do you realize that statistics aren't always true to everyone. There are always outliers and maybe German was one of those outliers. It's a shame that you think he took steriods. I know how you feel after this kind of double and I know I'm not as good as German by a long shot but these really good runners don't let the pain get to them.
I just dont believe it. This guy is doing the same thing in college at Oklahoma and tearing it up. He also tore the 2007 or 08 cross country record up, at Mt. Sac which is ONE of the hardest courses in the country! It takes talent, skill and dedication to do this sport. I think steroids had he done them early on in his career, and in this race, would have caught up to him.
Thanks for the post anyways. Saw the telecast on Fox Sports in 08 and those dudes were flyin'!
No offense, but you are being a dick. Automatically assuming someone dopes their blood is sheer idiocy, you have no facts to support this, and if anything you are probably just jealous that someone can compete at such a high level at such a young age. Please go fuck yourself.
@Chocosizzles I am not assuming anything. I am going by statistics which don't lie. California has some of the fastest runners in the state. All of a sudden there is a guy who makes these runners look like a joke, running a 4:11 mile the night before, a 4 min mile early the next afternoon following by a 8:34 3200 2 hours later.
If you looked at the spacing of 2nd place on up it was very close and appeared consistant with other state winners. Statistics SCREAM at me that something is wrong.
@johnharlin Steroids don't even improve your ability at distance running. Now, as a top collegiate athlete, he has been tested extensively, but all you need to do is look at a kid who's 6'1" and 90 pounds to know that he is not taking enough steroid to go from Joe Shmoo to the fastest in history. Furthermore, your argument that the fact he broke records statistically screams he is a cheater is gibberish. Records are broken. That's the point. Thank you for uploading this feat of human ability.
@johnharlin im pretty sure ur a fuckin idiot...1. steriods do not help running, putting on 20+ pounds of muscle SLOWS RUNNERS DOWN. Blood doping is the only possible thing u could do 2 make u run faster but it has to b injected midrace so he obviously didn't do that. Also the fact that he won the nationals every single year in college might change your mind...Sry i was just reading other comments and damn u must not understand distance running
@johnharlin You would make a good Navy SEAL with your stamina/speed, you should look into it. They are the most Elite miltary force known to man, and you would make a nice addition to it.
He broke a national record. For a record to be legitimized, he has to be tested. To say that hs athletes arent tested is a litle ludicrous. Someone years ago in my section in hs broke the 3200 record for our section, and he was tested that week.
Plus german had a very good freshman yr of college, almost finished 3rd at nats as a true freshman. And I can tell you for fact, collegiate athletes are tested anytime they finish around the top 3-5 in a race. He's clean, just let him have his record.
Thanks for the great footage but give us a break with a the roids talk. Simply as good of runner this country has produced since Jim Ryan. I have stated him will be first American under 12:50 for 5 k
@CoachTracy209 Sorry, but you can't compare Fernandez in any way to Jim Ryan who was 6' 3'' tall with legs went up to Fernandez's neck, who had a 26 inch waist and who weighed 140 pounds. He was a human stork. That's not to mention that he ran 1:44 for 800 meters and was trained by a Swim coach who put him through 3 hours of speed training every single day and he ran with mononucleosis. And Ryan's sub 4 minute mile in high school was done on a dirt track in a temperature of 100 degrees.
Im a runner for my school and im honestly no where near this guy i just saw his interview and i guess people now in days want to call dedication steroids he is a runner and he just motivated me to do my best!
@arow287 Well, I'm glad he motivates you to do your best but I am really sorry to tell you this but you will never run near as fast as him or as fast as him unless you do like many distances runners have done in the Olympics and elsewhere -- take EPO. If you can't stop the CHEATs, then lets put everyone on an equal footing and give EPO to everyone. Then no no one will be cheated out of fame, records, money or college scholarships.
In this years 2010 CA state meet, 2 guys tried to do what German Fernandez did. Not even in the same ball park. It's ridiculous.
Elias Gedyon wins 1600 in 4:21 then gets 4th in the 3200 in 8:59.09.
Erik Olson takes 4th in 1600 in 4:21.99 then gets 5th in 3200 in 8:59.17. All impressive and good running and about as good as you can do in high school. Yet the difference in time to Fernandez 4 min and 8:34 is the equivalent difference between 1st place and last place. NO WAY. He used EPO.
@johnharlin German Fernandez is what you get when you mix insane talent and unheard of hard work. His first mile race ever as a freshman when he just started running was a 4:36 and ended up running 4:21 that year...thats just talent. If you see interviews with him and his coach you will know how hard he really works and how incredible is work ethic is. I've personally heard of people talk about him and his workouts and its just crazy dedication.
@3722ahhh Or it could have been EPO because EPO was certainly around during Fernandez's freshman year. In fact, why don't we just put all the top 20 or 30 high school freshman in California on EPO and let's see what kind of times they run then. When those freshman then run between 4:15 and 4:22, you will then have much more insight into Frenandez's times.
@3722ahhh you dont have to work hard, i run maybe 4 miles a week and just ran my mile at 3minutes 30seconds today but im 6ft6in tall and tall people own running, no 5ft8in midget is going to beat a tall man in a running race
@zippo7224 true it like usan bolt cuz he taller he run fast time same for u with mile.. u shoud relly try run with pros cuz 330 fast like olympic time
@johnharlin no doubt they weren't even in the same ball park, no one in high school is, or ever has been. that's because german fernandez was one of the greatest high school track/cross country athletes of all time. I hope you understand how far into your mouth you're sticking your foot with baseless slander like the description of this video, and your incessant and equally baseless comments. your level of self assured disrespect is unbelievable. do you have any evidence at all?
CorbettJ12, 3722ahhh and you others, let's do this then. Lets make it open season. Let's have a one year experimental state meet where all these mid 8:50 to 9:10 3200 guys take EPO and then lets just see if they don't run in the 8:30s. and some run near 4 min mile or better doubles. I'm betting all of them move into the 8:30s. That's because you get a 30 to 40 sec boost on it.
@CorbettJ12 you can say hes the best ever but i never run and i just ran the mile at 3minutes 30 seconds today and im 16 years old but of course being 6ft6in tall does have a lot of advantages
In this years 2010 CA state meet, 2 guys tried to do what German Fernandez did. Not even in the same ball park. It's ridiculous.
Elias Gedyon wins mile in 4:21 then gets 4th in the 3200 in 8:59.09.
Erik Olson takes 4th in mile in 4:21.99 then gets 5th in 3200 in 8:59.17. All impressive and good running and about as good as you can do in high school. Yet the difference in time to Fernandez 4 min and 8:34 is the equivalent difference between 1st place and last place. NO WAY. He used EPO.
fucking idiots here, if he was on steroids he would be SLOWER. steroids do NOT help in distance running, they cause bulk muscle, more muscle=more needed blood=slower tiles. he is not on any drugs, blood doping could make you faster, but if he was blood doping he would have gone alot faster, its just like super altitude training.
if you think hes on drugs fuck off and get over yourself, just cus he can smoke your asses means nothing faggots.
I believe he's legit. I've seen Trevor Dunbar run myself, and the kid's such a beast (Though not quite like this dude) I've sometime wondered.....but then I warmed down with him and....no. There are some amazing people out there.
you're such a pussy dickrider, just because u cannot comprehend his skill you choose to accuse him of using steroids. just because u were shit and untalented doesn't mean u should try to knock a gifted person.
you're such a pussy dickrider, just because u cannot comprehend his skill you choose to accuse him of using steroids. just because u were shit and untalented doesn't mean u should try to knock a gifted person.
All these people posting comments about cheating seem to have lost sight of the fact that this kid has some amazing running technique. Nice strides, keeping his head up... combine that with supreme fitness and you've got a deadly combination.
Look seriously, you just keep posting again and again about these 80 varieties of EPO that can't be detected... This guy has talent and he backs it up with extreme dedication to the sport. The problem is that whenever someone does something great, there is a group of people who question it. I'm guessing you think Michael Phelps dopes up (even though he always tests clean). Alan Webb too, right? He ran a faster mile in high school. Maybe Jim Ryun who broke 4 mins as a Junior in the 60s.
Ok, so a year later, the guy runs 3:56 setting an NCAA freshman record in the mile, and wins the 1500m at the NCAA finals...where they DO drug test. It may be the time to start taking back these absurd (and possibly jealousy derived) accusations.
If you had read my earlier posts then you would know. But I'll state it again. Thanks to some totally and completely unethical asshole doctors, there are now 80 varieties of EPO that can not be detected with current tests. People are using it right now and getting away with it despite the testing.
I think he could have had a better time if he kept his head down a bit...and used more of his arms and legs...it seemed like he was taking baby steps...regardless great performance!
@OjosNativo, He was running with a short economical step based on the comfort of his rhythm. Anyone can do that with the appropriate speed training. Its not that hard to do and several of the other runners were close for the first 3 laps, but it's another thing to sustain it. Try sustaining it when you have just run a mile in 4 flat 2 hours earlier. What, it takes no juice out of you whatsoever to run a 4 flat mile? This was a high school runner not an Olympian for Christ sakes.
Mark McGwire, the guy who was blasting away home runs for many years and set the national league home run record, denied through his lying teeth for 15 years that he was using steroids until two weeks ago when he came clean. Asshole. People can lie and everyone like you two can eat their lies like honey pie. I'm sure you all believed Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were clean. And you believe Fenandez was clean. But not me.
I must say for all the stuff johnharlin knows about drugs and how good he says he is, i say he was using drugs haha. Well anyway German is an amazing person and no one should disrespect his talent. For all his consistency i doubt he is using anything except for maybe a huge amount of dedication and love for running... unlike johnharlinwho obviously hates the sport since he is trying to tell us how all these good runners do drugs and he wants to kill all these people haha
@DeepSnowMan, DeepSnowMan, use epo and steroids. No testing in high school. So what's too worry except for dropping everyone's jaws cause you times would be so fast. But remember, there are people out there who find that so insulting and will be so pissed off that they will come after you like the devil himself and you will have to watch your back at every corner because nothing in the universe would stop them from getting you.
It could've just been one of those days, the day that only comes every once in a while for a runner, when everything is just right. It's difficult to emphasize this, but maybe German just had one of those days. I'm not saying that this was the case, but your accusations are somewhat getting out of hand. There are possibilities, but as of now, I would have to say your hypothesis is unlikely. You may be right, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Yes, WOW. The fastest high school runner this year ran 8:50.7. Fernandez ran 16 seconds faster at 8:34 in 2008. That's a huge gap on top of which Fernandez ran a 4 min. mile just 2 hours earlier plus a 4:11 qualifying heat the day before making his 8:34 at least an 8:24. Also there were lots of runners between 8:50 and 9 minutes in this years state championshps. So how come such a small gap between the best in 2009 but a giant gap for Fernandez. Something was wrong.
OMG fuk talking about steriods..... steriods aren't gonna push you when your insides r on fire or when you are about to quit.. they don't do that much exspecialy 4 a runner... blood doping is a different topic though
Oh really, that's why Regina Jacobs at the age of 39 broke the world indoor record in the 1500 and broke the U.S. record in several other distances including the 3000. She was caught using steroids that Balco provided. The same steroids that were given to Marian Jones and many other runners. You are a complete and total idiot if you think that they don't make a difference.
Nofear27blue, Regardless whether German Fernandez used steroids or EPO, your statement that high school runners do such great doubles or triples all time means that you are either the most ignorant person in the world or you need to get on medication right away. No high school runner in the United States has ever done such a double or even close to it.
@johnharlin I dont think you understand where nofear is coming from... he's just simply stating that people run good doubles without steroids, not attacking German. Nothing more, nothing less.
You need to check the records and your facts. In 1974 a runner did a comparable double....realizing that it was 34 years ago..6 seconds off on the mile..12 on 2 miles while German ran 1600 and 3200. A lot of the kids in High School dont even race hard till finals. I say benefit of the doubt..especially since hes now in college and they test and hes still setting records and hes clean.
Rich Kimball also did it with only 60minutes in between! At 1st he ran 8:46.6 for 2 miles & then ran 4:06.6. Fernandez' converted time to the mile would be around 4:02 flat, while his converted 2 mile time would be around 8:37.5. Timewise, Fernandez' performance is superior, but the time difference when converted is only 4 seconds in the mile & 9 seconds for the 2 mile. Because Fernandez had 90 more minutes of rest, Kimball's 1974 performance may indeed be superior or no less than the same.
@lightdweller I watched Rich Kimball at the 1974 Mt. Sac relays run an 8:46 & a 4:02 double.......was an incredible sight to behold. I also watched him personally run 50 miles during a 24-hour relay.....he was the only member of his relay to keep running.
Listen, John, just because German Fernandez is better than you'll ever dream of becoming it does'nt give you the right to bash him like this on youtube calling him a steroid abuser. Taking away all of his pride and achievement is the worst thing you can do. There is a simple explanation for this, the human mind is capable of amazing things. He had a day where he learned to bear all the pain and recover extremely fast. ITS POSSIBLE " ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE " (Kevin Garnett)
What if his "speculation (which is all it is)" turns out to be true. Then what, you gonna eat your words and apologize?
I'm not for bashing someone, but I also don't think it's your job to defend a guy you don't know.
- Steroids or not he's a good runner (even with roids you gotta work out) they should test their runners in order to make sure they're clean (though at this point it wouldn't matter).
I'm getting so tired of cynical people talking about German Fernandez and steroids. Give it up! He's a great runner and everything that he has done since this race confirms that he is a great runner, and that he is doing it all without drugs.
Yes, it can have a lot of bad aftereffects but athletes only live for the moment so they don't give a damn. Lyle Alzedo of the Oak. Raiders got brain cancer. Schwartzenegger had heart surgury. Barry Bonds grew an oversized head. And A-Rod is going to get his too.
" I've done such a double and I can tell you that once your wind is knocked out of you from the mile and your legs have been deadened and are not functioning at full capacity, it is extremely hard to come back and run a great 3200"
Wow, so if you can't do it, nobody else can huh. Give your fucking ego a rest.
Not even German Fernandez could do it. He never ever did anything like that during the season. Not even close. Then during the season he got injured and couldn't run almost 2 months, then all of a sudden at the state meet he runs his best time in the mile and best time in the 3200 by a long shot. It doesn't make one bit of sense unless he took steroids to help recover from his injury and EPO to give him that extra lift for the state meet. That's the only way he could have done it
Your right, he could be on roids, but you seem out to get him. Which means your the real one with the problem not him. I don't see you accusing El Guerroj or Haile Gebrailse. So why this kid?
I don't have time to go after world class foreign distance runners like those from Morocco, one of which became a coach and demanded that all his runners take EPO and steroids until one of the honest runners complained and told that he was forcing the athletes to dope.
And he doesn't take steroids you dumbass. I know him personally, he runs well over 100 miles a week at a brutal pace. That's how you get good at running. Steroids just builds useless extra muscle.
You have to be one of the biggest lamest dumbasses on this entire board. Everyone knows that EPO and CERA are steroids that increases red blood cells not muscles.
And muscle building steroids help runners. That's why the Finnish runners of the 80s were taking both blood cell and muscle building steroids. That's why Regina Jacobs broke U.S. records in several distances past the age of 40. She was banned but she should have been fined for prize money and medals that others deserved.
She was a 1500m runner. Completely different. There have never been any allegations against LONG DISTANCE RUNNERS (3200m is the longest distance in competitive high school running, and it is considered a long distance event) in the 5k through marathon in the Olympics, where they DO test for steroids. If you can find me a guy that runs the 5k or longer in the Olympics and was accused of using steroids, please feel free to let me know.
Compared to those runners, 8:34 is a long way to go.
Every time you open your mouth, you make a COMPLETE and TOTAL ASS of yourself. Regina Jacobs was a 1500 meter runner until she got on the juice. Then at around the age of 40, she broke the U.S. record in the 1500, 3000, 2 mile, 3 mile and 5000. She was even going to run the 1500 and 5000 at the Olympics until they caught her. I'm glad she didn't get a chance to rob anyone else of their rightful prize money and medals. Learn the facts next time before you go shooting your mouth off.
There are so many athletes that run faster than German. Are you saying that every single one of them uses steroids? Also, doubling and tripling events is not uncommon at all. Runners at all levels PR after fast shorter races all the time.
Just give up. Your conspiracy theory is far-fetched. You description says to me: *cry cry cry I can't handle German being so much better than me.*
Every single one of those top 5 runners would have been in the 8:30 category had they gone on steroids. I'm not here to take anything away from Fernandez, I just want to keep the sport clean.
Uh what?
Steroids usually hinders your running ability. Muscle building from steroids is more massive, but less dense than natural muscle.
German Fernandez is not on drugs. I've ran against him in the 1600 and also saw him run at the cross-country state meet Division 4 (I was in the Division 3 race) and he is truly amazing. He runs as well as he does because he is a smart runner, he can run through pain, and he is really really smooth.
They said the EXACT same thing about Rashid Ramzi from Morocco, who won the gold medal in an amazing finish at the Beijing Olympics. He tested negative because they could not detect the new variation of EPO called CERA. Two days ago they tested his saved blood again and with the new tests he was positive for CERA. Apparently, he has been using stuff for many years. Don't be fooled.
I have to agree with baw090971 that German Fernandez is continuing to perform at an extremely high level in college where the athletes are tested. Therefore johnharlin we ought to hear from you about your suspicions now. Thanks.
As I stated before, thanks to some totally and completely unethical asshole doctors, there are now 80 varieties of EPO that can not be detected with current tests. And whatever punishment athletes get for cheating, these doctors should get it 10 times more. If I ever find out the identity of such a doctor, I'll shove 10 bottles of EPO down his throat as a beginning appetizer for the punishment I'll give him. There are people out there that will go to all out WAR over this kind of abuse.
its disappointing that great atheltes have to be viewed with so much skepticism, but absolutely necessary. With the amount of performance enhancing drugs used in pro-sports, it is plenty fair to ask Fernandez to submit to drug tests.
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xI3aRI2AwJoSSx 1 day ago
all great runners in high school usually get hurt easily
TheBaseball120 3 weeks ago
Its exactly 2 miles
Cristina15x3 1 month ago
how many miles is 3200m?
Shabaka87 1 month ago
Fernandez has amazing raw talent. FYI, steroids don't help distance runners. They use EPO if anything, steroids would just give them extra muscle that would probably slow them down. If you want proof of him being clean, he won the NCAA 1500 men's title as a Freshman leading the whole race. He just gets injured very easily, which is why he's out of the spotlight right now.
MrJuChew 5 months ago
They do drug test the athletes at CIF......
MrSpeedo1000 5 months ago
ahahaha this is the worst sport
fvckben 7 months ago
Wow, this guy is blazing fast. Man, I'd have a hard time keeping up him riding my mountain bike. Thanks for the post
cito423 7 months ago
Lukas has had a life time of training with olympic parents that knew exactly how to train him. Germans natural talent came out of nowhere he never had training like Lukas and yet he still managed to become a great runner in a short amount of time.
Props to him and to Lukas!
HauFailed 7 months ago 9
NOT ANYMORE NIGGAS!!!!!!!!!! Lukas Verzbicas with an 8:29!!!!
scp025 7 months ago 5
@scp025 German ran the 1600m in 4 flat before this race the same day and he ran with no competition.
MyDrugAssociations 7 months ago
This young man has a well trained style. No wasted motion, minimal arm movement. He looks lighter in weight than the rest. Just a well oiled, balanced, running machine on a good day. Couple that with the desire and heart to win it all, no matter what, and you have a championship performance. Suspicion turned into a direct accusation of performance enhancement. Not good.
smimot 8 months ago
Holy crap he's smooth. The dude has got some heart
LK267 8 months ago
what this guy does it possible without steriods. look at alan webb, he ran 3:53 in the MILE which is like 3:52 in the 1600m. thats far faster than german fernandez in the 1600 while in high school
AssHoleThunder 8 months ago
I can only run ONE mile in 8 minutes.
JWhoGaming 8 months ago
wow, amazing - he makes running that fast look so easy...
gopher3737 8 months ago
i do this in track
EcarterLyrics 9 months ago
Uploader fail, steroids would in no way benefit a runner, in fact the added muscle tissue would most likely slow him down. Doping blood however would be quite useful, too bad this dude didn't do that shit.
tomb333e 9 months ago
Johnharlin is a dumbass harlot for making hollow accusations.
ashtrayr 9 months ago
Lets see, German ran 4:22 as a freshman in high school while running 20 mile weeks, ran around 15:15 as a sophomore at Woodward Park. He got injured for a while in between there but senior year, set the all time record at Woodword Park with a 14:24, which is around 4:37 mile pace for a 5k. During the early season in track, he ran a 4:21 and a 8:53 double. And one last statistic, the week before at Masters, he ran a 4:07.62 1600m and a 8:45.08 3200m in the same day.
Go suck a dick.
QuackingTree 9 months ago
The real question is, he's already in dissbelief and assumes he took steroids...
What's gonna happen when he tests negative for steroids and proves he's clean??
Dudes gonna SHIT!!! :)
StruddleToaster 10 months ago
@farmercorn1 That was the greatest response to this nonsense. Well done, well done.
k11jothib 10 months ago
Guys A Tank!
XpLiT1 10 months ago
Maybe he is just one tough kid, tough kids don't need steroids to run great times.
XC4runner 10 months ago
you know your good when you have people thinking your on steroids
farmercorn1 11 months ago
lol, @ the white dude getting lapped.
Shabaka87 11 months ago
@Shabaka87 You notice that? The guys getting lapped should be moving to the outside to allow the runner lapping them to the inside. That guy getting lapped should've moved.
wlh1923 10 months ago
he wouldve probably gone faster if it wasn't for him having to go around so many people
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ABOUT258dirtybeaners 1 year ago
the asshole who posted this video is really, really, really misinformed for saying that fernandez may have taken steroids or blood-doped. look back at german's times throughout high school. 4:22 1600m as a freshman, 15:14 at woodward at the state meet as a soph, off year in xc junior year, then 14:24 at woodward... then this 8:34 3200m. he has been stellar for a very long time and is an example of the type of the progression that can be achieved by a supremely hard-working and talented athlete.
bricktownmcbrown 1 year ago 3
"leading the mortals" lol
loudmusicman4 1 year ago
"I've done such a double and I can tell you that once your wind is knocked out of you from the mile and your legs have been deadened and are not functioning at full capacity, it is extremely hard to come back and run a great 3200."
So basically u suck at doubling is what ur saying?
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helikanimukty 1 year ago
how can you accuse him of using peds? im from new jersey and i have seen the rosa twins run and joe rosa as a junior last year ran 8:48 in the 3200 and he actually lost by 2 secinds he also smashed the homdel park record in cross country by 20 seconds and breaking 15 on a crazy tough course to another junior these times are run because some one ran a time and people want to beat it just because someone works harder then you doesnt mean they are doping they are just tougher and maybe built to run
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malkamanjali 1 year ago
johnharlin i agree with you. it makes me a little suspicious that somebody runs a qualifying heat of 4:11 the day before, then runs two 2 minute 800m's back to back. and two hours later runs 8:34 3200m. had this been the only event he ran, it would seem more realistic.
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i was in this race lol
diegov801 1 year ago
i was in this race lol
diegov801 1 year ago
Dude you're a fucking idiot. I agree with all the other comments about your farfetched suspection of him taking steriods. Do you realize that statistics aren't always true to everyone. There are always outliers and maybe German was one of those outliers. It's a shame that you think he took steriods. I know how you feel after this kind of double and I know I'm not as good as German by a long shot but these really good runners don't let the pain get to them.
XCftmfw 1 year ago
you think steroids can produce miracles? It takes WAY more than that.
kopk888 1 year ago
If I ever got lapped I would kill myself.
tjtheplay 1 year ago
so the guy drops a 4:00.29 1600 = 4:02 mile
then a 4:19 and a 4:15 in the 3200 to an 8:34 = 8:38 2 mile
-Goes on to break the national 2 mile and 3000 meter HSR at NON 2008
Then breaks the WJR for the indoor mile and AJR for the 5k his frosh year of college AND wins the NCAA 1500
....Achievement unlocked!! BOSS STATUS
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Trackmaster14 1 year ago
you say u've done a double like that and u didn't feel good aftewards. Maybe u just suck at running doubles :)
ColorSH0CK 1 year ago
nigga fast as fuck
thesensation100 1 year ago
@thesensation100 actually he is not nigga he is German. It weird though cuz i thought he was different race too. I thought he was hispanic.
Bigrobkerr 1 year ago
I just dont believe it. This guy is doing the same thing in college at Oklahoma and tearing it up. He also tore the 2007 or 08 cross country record up, at Mt. Sac which is ONE of the hardest courses in the country! It takes talent, skill and dedication to do this sport. I think steroids had he done them early on in his career, and in this race, would have caught up to him.
Thanks for the post anyways. Saw the telecast on Fox Sports in 08 and those dudes were flyin'!
mpm2010lbc 1 year ago
so smooth
buckfever32123 1 year ago
This comment is directed to the uploader.
No offense, but you are being a dick. Automatically assuming someone dopes their blood is sheer idiocy, you have no facts to support this, and if anything you are probably just jealous that someone can compete at such a high level at such a young age. Please go fuck yourself.
Thank you.
Chocosizzles 1 year ago 41
@Chocosizzles I am not assuming anything. I am going by statistics which don't lie. California has some of the fastest runners in the state. All of a sudden there is a guy who makes these runners look like a joke, running a 4:11 mile the night before, a 4 min mile early the next afternoon following by a 8:34 3200 2 hours later.
If you looked at the spacing of 2nd place on up it was very close and appeared consistant with other state winners. Statistics SCREAM at me that something is wrong.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@johnharlin Correction, in my previous statement I meant to say that Calfornia has some of the fastest runners in the nation.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@johnharlin Steroids don't even improve your ability at distance running. Now, as a top collegiate athlete, he has been tested extensively, but all you need to do is look at a kid who's 6'1" and 90 pounds to know that he is not taking enough steroid to go from Joe Shmoo to the fastest in history. Furthermore, your argument that the fact he broke records statistically screams he is a cheater is gibberish. Records are broken. That's the point. Thank you for uploading this feat of human ability.
minimc42 1 year ago 3
@johnharlin I think your ego's on steroids...
graychristopher 11 months ago 3
@johnharlin im pretty sure ur a fuckin idiot...1. steriods do not help running, putting on 20+ pounds of muscle SLOWS RUNNERS DOWN. Blood doping is the only possible thing u could do 2 make u run faster but it has to b injected midrace so he obviously didn't do that. Also the fact that he won the nationals every single year in college might change your mind...Sry i was just reading other comments and damn u must not understand distance running
bminshall2013 6 months ago
@johnharlin You would make a good Navy SEAL with your stamina/speed, you should look into it. They are the most Elite miltary force known to man, and you would make a nice addition to it.
MrBennyboi666 1 year ago
He broke a national record. For a record to be legitimized, he has to be tested. To say that hs athletes arent tested is a litle ludicrous. Someone years ago in my section in hs broke the 3200 record for our section, and he was tested that week.
Plus german had a very good freshman yr of college, almost finished 3rd at nats as a true freshman. And I can tell you for fact, collegiate athletes are tested anytime they finish around the top 3-5 in a race. He's clean, just let him have his record.
boderlander21 1 year ago
@johnharlin theres no proof...
bjrqiup 1 year ago
@johnharlin it's called talent buddy
fastmover564 1 year ago
a 4 flat 1600m wow and i thought i was fast with a 4:40 1600 =/
BobbySteels7 1 year ago
@BobbySteels7 i feel slow i run alomost twice as slow..u good
Bigrobkerr 1 year ago
@Bigrobkerr ive had years of practive and it runs in the family =/
BobbySteels7 1 year ago
DAMN
skateVA1011 1 year ago
Thanks for the great footage but give us a break with a the roids talk. Simply as good of runner this country has produced since Jim Ryan. I have stated him will be first American under 12:50 for 5 k
CoachTracy209 1 year ago 4
@CoachTracy209 Sorry, but you can't compare Fernandez in any way to Jim Ryan who was 6' 3'' tall with legs went up to Fernandez's neck, who had a 26 inch waist and who weighed 140 pounds. He was a human stork. That's not to mention that he ran 1:44 for 800 meters and was trained by a Swim coach who put him through 3 hours of speed training every single day and he ran with mononucleosis. And Ryan's sub 4 minute mile in high school was done on a dirt track in a temperature of 100 degrees.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@johnharlin
Sorry, but the mono thing is BS. If you train with mono, you get a lot sicker. Trust me, I've tried. German is and always has been clean.
crimsonaltruist 10 months ago
@johnharlin it was cinder track(js)
shawnholland11 7 months ago
@johnharlin it was a cinder track(js)
shawnholland11 7 months ago
Im a runner for my school and im honestly no where near this guy i just saw his interview and i guess people now in days want to call dedication steroids he is a runner and he just motivated me to do my best!
arow287 1 year ago
@arow287 Well, I'm glad he motivates you to do your best but I am really sorry to tell you this but you will never run near as fast as him or as fast as him unless you do like many distances runners have done in the Olympics and elsewhere -- take EPO. If you can't stop the CHEATs, then lets put everyone on an equal footing and give EPO to everyone. Then no no one will be cheated out of fame, records, money or college scholarships.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@johnharlin well hes in college now and still performing at a high level
daydreamin09 9 months ago
Pre.
SamShackleford1 1 year ago
I feel like he isn't moving his arms enough, did anyone notice that too?
BRBgonetopee 1 year ago
woah....
wakeisbeast234 1 year ago
My guness
SamShackleford1 1 year ago
i just ran a mile in 3minutes 30 seconds and im 16 years old 6ft6in tall runner
zippo7224 1 year ago
In this years 2010 CA state meet, 2 guys tried to do what German Fernandez did. Not even in the same ball park. It's ridiculous.
Elias Gedyon wins 1600 in 4:21 then gets 4th in the 3200 in 8:59.09.
Erik Olson takes 4th in 1600 in 4:21.99 then gets 5th in 3200 in 8:59.17. All impressive and good running and about as good as you can do in high school. Yet the difference in time to Fernandez 4 min and 8:34 is the equivalent difference between 1st place and last place. NO WAY. He used EPO.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@johnharlin German Fernandez is what you get when you mix insane talent and unheard of hard work. His first mile race ever as a freshman when he just started running was a 4:36 and ended up running 4:21 that year...thats just talent. If you see interviews with him and his coach you will know how hard he really works and how incredible is work ethic is. I've personally heard of people talk about him and his workouts and its just crazy dedication.
3722ahhh 1 year ago
@3722ahhh Or it could have been EPO because EPO was certainly around during Fernandez's freshman year. In fact, why don't we just put all the top 20 or 30 high school freshman in California on EPO and let's see what kind of times they run then. When those freshman then run between 4:15 and 4:22, you will then have much more insight into Frenandez's times.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@3722ahhh you dont have to work hard, i run maybe 4 miles a week and just ran my mile at 3minutes 30seconds today but im 6ft6in tall and tall people own running, no 5ft8in midget is going to beat a tall man in a running race
zippo7224 1 year ago
@zippo7224 you probably ran half a mile
mooseman427 1 year ago
@mooseman427 i ran 2 metres and im 3 inches shorter
zippo7224 1 year ago
@zippo7224 true it like usan bolt cuz he taller he run fast time same for u with mile.. u shoud relly try run with pros cuz 330 fast like olympic time
Bigrobkerr 1 year ago
@johnharlin no doubt they weren't even in the same ball park, no one in high school is, or ever has been. that's because german fernandez was one of the greatest high school track/cross country athletes of all time. I hope you understand how far into your mouth you're sticking your foot with baseless slander like the description of this video, and your incessant and equally baseless comments. your level of self assured disrespect is unbelievable. do you have any evidence at all?
CorbettJ12 1 year ago
CorbettJ12, 3722ahhh and you others, let's do this then. Lets make it open season. Let's have a one year experimental state meet where all these mid 8:50 to 9:10 3200 guys take EPO and then lets just see if they don't run in the 8:30s. and some run near 4 min mile or better doubles. I'm betting all of them move into the 8:30s. That's because you get a 30 to 40 sec boost on it.
johnharlin 1 year ago
@johnharlin watch?v=kqSnbSYcYpE&feature=related
3722ahhh 1 year ago
@CorbettJ12 you can say hes the best ever but i never run and i just ran the mile at 3minutes 30 seconds today and im 16 years old but of course being 6ft6in tall does have a lot of advantages
zippo7224 1 year ago
@zippo7224 lol no you didn't you idiot
mooseman427 1 year ago
@zippo7224 yeah but u alot taller so u have bigger stride. That why u faster. u should try olymics thing.
Bigrobkerr 1 year ago
In this years 2010 CA state meet, 2 guys tried to do what German Fernandez did. Not even in the same ball park. It's ridiculous.
Elias Gedyon wins mile in 4:21 then gets 4th in the 3200 in 8:59.09.
Erik Olson takes 4th in mile in 4:21.99 then gets 5th in 3200 in 8:59.17. All impressive and good running and about as good as you can do in high school. Yet the difference in time to Fernandez 4 min and 8:34 is the equivalent difference between 1st place and last place. NO WAY. He used EPO.
johnharlin 1 year ago
A California state 1600m record and the high school 3200m record. It was a good day for German.
JoshMcRay 1 year ago
DAMN. One of the fastest boys from Arizona can't even compare
Marzzzzella 1 year ago
holy balls this kid is fast
LaLfan24254 1 year ago
fucking idiots here, if he was on steroids he would be SLOWER. steroids do NOT help in distance running, they cause bulk muscle, more muscle=more needed blood=slower tiles. he is not on any drugs, blood doping could make you faster, but if he was blood doping he would have gone alot faster, its just like super altitude training.
if you think hes on drugs fuck off and get over yourself, just cus he can smoke your asses means nothing faggots.
nooby8122 1 year ago
@nooby8122 roid rage much?
acekill123 1 year ago
I believe he's legit. I've seen Trevor Dunbar run myself, and the kid's such a beast (Though not quite like this dude) I've sometime wondered.....but then I warmed down with him and....no. There are some amazing people out there.
kg7979 1 year ago
you're such a pussy dickrider, just because u cannot comprehend his skill you choose to accuse him of using steroids. just because u were shit and untalented doesn't mean u should try to knock a gifted person.
oxfordkingpin24 1 year ago
you're such a pussy dickrider, just because u cannot comprehend his skill you choose to accuse him of using steroids. just because u were shit and untalented doesn't mean u should try to knock a gifted person.
oxfordkingpin24 1 year ago
I agree to get the kid tested I mean dang!!! thats fast!!! If he really does it clean he's a beast.
beastmodetrevor 1 year ago
hahaha, 4:40.... "..leading the pack of the mortals.." :P
Christb4me4ever 1 year ago
All these people posting comments about cheating seem to have lost sight of the fact that this kid has some amazing running technique. Nice strides, keeping his head up... combine that with supreme fitness and you've got a deadly combination.
cameronianhighlander 1 year ago
Look seriously, you just keep posting again and again about these 80 varieties of EPO that can't be detected... This guy has talent and he backs it up with extreme dedication to the sport. The problem is that whenever someone does something great, there is a group of people who question it. I'm guessing you think Michael Phelps dopes up (even though he always tests clean). Alan Webb too, right? He ran a faster mile in high school. Maybe Jim Ryun who broke 4 mins as a Junior in the 60s.
runfast900 1 year ago
Ok, so a year later, the guy runs 3:56 setting an NCAA freshman record in the mile, and wins the 1500m at the NCAA finals...where they DO drug test. It may be the time to start taking back these absurd (and possibly jealousy derived) accusations.
Jewstrike1 1 year ago 23
If you had read my earlier posts then you would know. But I'll state it again. Thanks to some totally and completely unethical asshole doctors, there are now 80 varieties of EPO that can not be detected with current tests. People are using it right now and getting away with it despite the testing.
johnharlin 1 year ago
There's probably some non traceable steriod that he's on.
whiteout130 1 year ago
I guess lukas verzbicas is REALLY on drugs then! :)
ColorSH0CK 2 years ago
I think he could have had a better time if he kept his head down a bit...and used more of his arms and legs...it seemed like he was taking baby steps...regardless great performance!
OjosNativo 2 years ago
@OjosNativo, He was running with a short economical step based on the comfort of his rhythm. Anyone can do that with the appropriate speed training. Its not that hard to do and several of the other runners were close for the first 3 laps, but it's another thing to sustain it. Try sustaining it when you have just run a mile in 4 flat 2 hours earlier. What, it takes no juice out of you whatsoever to run a 4 flat mile? This was a high school runner not an Olympian for Christ sakes.
johnharlin 2 years ago
haha wen uv givin ur all like that u dont think
jah396 1 year ago
Actually, his running form is perfect as far as I'm concerned. When I visualize good form for myself, his form is what I try to emulate.
akzzzz 1 year ago
I'm jealous.
xmexdf1 2 years ago
saying he did steroids is stupid. u gonna say pre did them, or galen, or guerrouj? i race with fernandez, he didnt and dosnt use roids
damsawtyyyy 2 years ago
@damsawtyyyy an benconn09,
Mark McGwire, the guy who was blasting away home runs for many years and set the national league home run record, denied through his lying teeth for 15 years that he was using steroids until two weeks ago when he came clean. Asshole. People can lie and everyone like you two can eat their lies like honey pie. I'm sure you all believed Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were clean. And you believe Fenandez was clean. But not me.
johnharlin 2 years ago
I must say for all the stuff johnharlin knows about drugs and how good he says he is, i say he was using drugs haha. Well anyway German is an amazing person and no one should disrespect his talent. For all his consistency i doubt he is using anything except for maybe a huge amount of dedication and love for running... unlike johnharlinwho obviously hates the sport since he is trying to tell us how all these good runners do drugs and he wants to kill all these people haha
bencon09 2 years ago
man, im a sophomore in HS and i hav never seen anyone this fast at a meet, amazing...i run a 9:43 2 mile, not even close
DeepSnowMan 2 years ago
9:42 is realllllly gooooood!
lilduck99 2 years ago
@DeepSnowMan, DeepSnowMan, use epo and steroids. No testing in high school. So what's too worry except for dropping everyone's jaws cause you times would be so fast. But remember, there are people out there who find that so insulting and will be so pissed off that they will come after you like the devil himself and you will have to watch your back at every corner because nothing in the universe would stop them from getting you.
johnharlin 2 years ago
@johnharlin Terrible advice dude
jonyb0b13 1 year ago
he was just naturally good from soccer conditioning, like galen.
CTrotter21 2 years ago
i think it's awful that you suspect him of taking steroids.. have a little faith, geez.
runnergirlca0013 2 years ago 28
and he still owns in college
scallstar805 2 years ago
stfu saying he that he might be on steroids...
Cjc2121 2 years ago 2
wow, this guy was born a monster! i saw his state time on lynbrooksports website, so i had to google this guy up
Iildimsum7 2 years ago
It could've just been one of those days, the day that only comes every once in a while for a runner, when everything is just right. It's difficult to emphasize this, but maybe German just had one of those days. I'm not saying that this was the case, but your accusations are somewhat getting out of hand. There are possibilities, but as of now, I would have to say your hypothesis is unlikely. You may be right, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Raimakusa 2 years ago 11
@Raimakusa
sorry. b.s. sir.
one of those days? no.
he's just a hard worker.
or maybe he's got epo. either one works. to get these times.
mark95427 1 year ago
WOW
t3po7re54 2 years ago
Yes, WOW. The fastest high school runner this year ran 8:50.7. Fernandez ran 16 seconds faster at 8:34 in 2008. That's a huge gap on top of which Fernandez ran a 4 min. mile just 2 hours earlier plus a 4:11 qualifying heat the day before making his 8:34 at least an 8:24. Also there were lots of runners between 8:50 and 9 minutes in this years state championshps. So how come such a small gap between the best in 2009 but a giant gap for Fernandez. Something was wrong.
johnharlin 2 years ago
maybe hes just fast , and trains ...
nipnintendo 2 years ago 4
OMG fuk talking about steriods..... steriods aren't gonna push you when your insides r on fire or when you are about to quit.. they don't do that much exspecialy 4 a runner... blood doping is a different topic though
gautlet996 2 years ago
Oh really, that's why Regina Jacobs at the age of 39 broke the world indoor record in the 1500 and broke the U.S. record in several other distances including the 3000. She was caught using steroids that Balco provided. The same steroids that were given to Marian Jones and many other runners. You are a complete and total idiot if you think that they don't make a difference.
johnharlin 2 years ago
hes just good man, just cuz someones good u think they r on steroids?? people run great doubles, even triples all the time, stop bitching.
nofear27blue 2 years ago
Nofear27blue, Regardless whether German Fernandez used steroids or EPO, your statement that high school runners do such great doubles or triples all time means that you are either the most ignorant person in the world or you need to get on medication right away. No high school runner in the United States has ever done such a double or even close to it.
johnharlin 2 years ago
@johnharlin I dont think you understand where nofear is coming from... he's just simply stating that people run good doubles without steroids, not attacking German. Nothing more, nothing less.
uncletreetrunk 2 years ago
You need to check the records and your facts. In 1974 a runner did a comparable double....realizing that it was 34 years ago..6 seconds off on the mile..12 on 2 miles while German ran 1600 and 3200. A lot of the kids in High School dont even race hard till finals. I say benefit of the doubt..especially since hes now in college and they test and hes still setting records and hes clean.
disneyfire 2 years ago 3
Rich Kimball also did it with only 60minutes in between! At 1st he ran 8:46.6 for 2 miles & then ran 4:06.6. Fernandez' converted time to the mile would be around 4:02 flat, while his converted 2 mile time would be around 8:37.5. Timewise, Fernandez' performance is superior, but the time difference when converted is only 4 seconds in the mile & 9 seconds for the 2 mile. Because Fernandez had 90 more minutes of rest, Kimball's 1974 performance may indeed be superior or no less than the same.
lightdweller 1 year ago
@lightdweller I watched Rich Kimball at the 1974 Mt. Sac relays run an 8:46 & a 4:02 double.......was an incredible sight to behold. I also watched him personally run 50 miles during a 24-hour relay.....he was the only member of his relay to keep running.
danomills 1 year ago
hahaha i love the garnett quote. way to go, that'll shut em up
jtrisballin 2 years ago
Do you have any kind of evidence that Fernandez used steorids?!
elmar92run 2 years ago
Listen, John, just because German Fernandez is better than you'll ever dream of becoming it does'nt give you the right to bash him like this on youtube calling him a steroid abuser. Taking away all of his pride and achievement is the worst thing you can do. There is a simple explanation for this, the human mind is capable of amazing things. He had a day where he learned to bear all the pain and recover extremely fast. ITS POSSIBLE " ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE " (Kevin Garnett)
mohamud242 2 years ago 5
What if his "speculation (which is all it is)" turns out to be true. Then what, you gonna eat your words and apologize?
I'm not for bashing someone, but I also don't think it's your job to defend a guy you don't know.
- Steroids or not he's a good runner (even with roids you gotta work out) they should test their runners in order to make sure they're clean (though at this point it wouldn't matter).
Erii77 2 years ago
I'm getting so tired of cynical people talking about German Fernandez and steroids. Give it up! He's a great runner and everything that he has done since this race confirms that he is a great runner, and that he is doing it all without drugs.
oendabird 2 years ago
Ever seen rocky 4? He took much more of beating than this kid, so im sure what he did is possible. If rocky could do that, then this should be easy.
aaacacaas 2 years ago
that movie was fictional, rocky never existed
halokev14 2 years ago 2
Point being he could do that. Impossible is nothing. We are all witnesses.
aaacacaas 2 years ago
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BelajBL 2 years ago
Yes, it can have a lot of bad aftereffects but athletes only live for the moment so they don't give a damn. Lyle Alzedo of the Oak. Raiders got brain cancer. Schwartzenegger had heart surgury. Barry Bonds grew an oversized head. And A-Rod is going to get his too.
johnharlin 2 years ago
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BelajBL 2 years ago
" I've done such a double and I can tell you that once your wind is knocked out of you from the mile and your legs have been deadened and are not functioning at full capacity, it is extremely hard to come back and run a great 3200"
Wow, so if you can't do it, nobody else can huh. Give your fucking ego a rest.
statuescrumble 2 years ago 4
Not even German Fernandez could do it. He never ever did anything like that during the season. Not even close. Then during the season he got injured and couldn't run almost 2 months, then all of a sudden at the state meet he runs his best time in the mile and best time in the 3200 by a long shot. It doesn't make one bit of sense unless he took steroids to help recover from his injury and EPO to give him that extra lift for the state meet. That's the only way he could have done it
johnharlin 2 years ago
That was in his junior year that he got injured.
Schlunky 2 years ago
maybe being worn out from the the 1600m convinced him to run even harder
halokev14 2 years ago
The body doesn't work like that. When you have shot your rod, you're not going to have any juice left to shoot it again 2 hours later.
johnharlin 2 years ago
Your right, he could be on roids, but you seem out to get him. Which means your the real one with the problem not him. I don't see you accusing El Guerroj or Haile Gebrailse. So why this kid?
aaacacaas 2 years ago 2
I don't have time to go after world class foreign distance runners like those from Morocco, one of which became a coach and demanded that all his runners take EPO and steroids until one of the honest runners complained and told that he was forcing the athletes to dope.
johnharlin 2 years ago
beast best in colorado is 9 07 with high altitude best ive seen in person is 9 11
69yayhaha 2 years ago
i did this once and got killed... ive never felt worse- this guy is awesome!
Musicspeed1 2 years ago
Flagged for misleading text.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago 3
By the way, a kid from my hometown is going to beat this record.
8:55 so far as a Junior. And he'll undoubtedly break that it at Nationals. Erik Olson. Look him up.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago
And he doesn't take steroids you dumbass. I know him personally, he runs well over 100 miles a week at a brutal pace. That's how you get good at running. Steroids just builds useless extra muscle.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago
You have to be one of the biggest lamest dumbasses on this entire board. Everyone knows that EPO and CERA are steroids that increases red blood cells not muscles.
And muscle building steroids help runners. That's why the Finnish runners of the 80s were taking both blood cell and muscle building steroids. That's why Regina Jacobs broke U.S. records in several distances past the age of 40. She was banned but she should have been fined for prize money and medals that others deserved.
johnharlin 2 years ago
She was a 1500m runner. Completely different. There have never been any allegations against LONG DISTANCE RUNNERS (3200m is the longest distance in competitive high school running, and it is considered a long distance event) in the 5k through marathon in the Olympics, where they DO test for steroids. If you can find me a guy that runs the 5k or longer in the Olympics and was accused of using steroids, please feel free to let me know.
Compared to those runners, 8:34 is a long way to go.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago
Every time you open your mouth, you make a COMPLETE and TOTAL ASS of yourself. Regina Jacobs was a 1500 meter runner until she got on the juice. Then at around the age of 40, she broke the U.S. record in the 1500, 3000, 2 mile, 3 mile and 5000. She was even going to run the 1500 and 5000 at the Olympics until they caught her. I'm glad she didn't get a chance to rob anyone else of their rightful prize money and medals. Learn the facts next time before you go shooting your mouth off.
johnharlin 2 years ago
Regina Jacobs (born August 28, 1963) is a former middle distance runner from the United States.
Wikipedia. Use it. Stop being a misinformed jackass.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago
If your trying to show Middle Distance isn't 1500 meters to a 5k your badly mistaken... if not oh well
sarcasmwuzhere 2 years ago
There are so many athletes that run faster than German. Are you saying that every single one of them uses steroids? Also, doubling and tripling events is not uncommon at all. Runners at all levels PR after fast shorter races all the time.
Just give up. Your conspiracy theory is far-fetched. You description says to me: *cry cry cry I can't handle German being so much better than me.*
You Fucking Douchebag.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago 4
Every single one of those top 5 runners would have been in the 8:30 category had they gone on steroids. I'm not here to take anything away from Fernandez, I just want to keep the sport clean.
Uh what?
Steroids usually hinders your running ability. Muscle building from steroids is more massive, but less dense than natural muscle.
radicalsasquatch 2 years ago
German Fernandez is not on drugs. I've ran against him in the 1600 and also saw him run at the cross-country state meet Division 4 (I was in the Division 3 race) and he is truly amazing. He runs as well as he does because he is a smart runner, he can run through pain, and he is really really smooth.
mangomania3234 2 years ago
They said the EXACT same thing about Rashid Ramzi from Morocco, who won the gold medal in an amazing finish at the Beijing Olympics. He tested negative because they could not detect the new variation of EPO called CERA. Two days ago they tested his saved blood again and with the new tests he was positive for CERA. Apparently, he has been using stuff for many years. Don't be fooled.
johnharlin 2 years ago
Damn, you know so much.
Cure cancer please?
atsoced14 2 years ago
it is quite possible that he is on drugs here
Alexxc13 2 years ago
I have to agree with baw090971 that German Fernandez is continuing to perform at an extremely high level in college where the athletes are tested. Therefore johnharlin we ought to hear from you about your suspicions now. Thanks.
Sapsuckerdude 2 years ago
As I stated before, thanks to some totally and completely unethical asshole doctors, there are now 80 varieties of EPO that can not be detected with current tests. And whatever punishment athletes get for cheating, these doctors should get it 10 times more. If I ever find out the identity of such a doctor, I'll shove 10 bottles of EPO down his throat as a beginning appetizer for the punishment I'll give him. There are people out there that will go to all out WAR over this kind of abuse.
johnharlin 2 years ago
these ppl are idiots for putting the mile and 2 mile in the same day.
flame123652 2 years ago 2
tell me about it. but hey they are american lmao
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Sasquatched23 2 years ago
its disappointing that great atheltes have to be viewed with so much skepticism, but absolutely necessary. With the amount of performance enhancing drugs used in pro-sports, it is plenty fair to ask Fernandez to submit to drug tests.
runfunnysony1 2 years ago