Waffen SS at the battle of Kursk

[tranmere789]

The battle at Prokhorovka as the largest tank battle in history is simply just a myth. Germans had 92-109 APV's and russians maximum 393 between 10.7-12.7.43 In fact, it is smaller than a battle that took place between the French and the Germans in 1940. In front of Gembloux on May 14-15, two full-strength Panzer divisions (each with about 300 tanks) squared off with two full-strength French Light Mechanized Divisions (each with about 260 tanks).

[gramikhail]

On your SS Russland has 3 such

[dLimboStick]

Humanity 1, Nazis 0

[TheNewperson01]

an extraordinary battle ...

One of the most terrible battles of history ...

A Chilean was there as a colonel into the Waffen SS ...

Chilean youth of those years paid with their life be a National!

Long live our fuhrer!

From Chile!

[thecarpy]

@TheNewperson01 Excuse my French: Pinochet, pine au cul! Chileans? ROFL, sold to the Usians! Hasta la victoria siempre!

[quest8899]

Kursk was pointless, Germans and their allies should have surrendered and made a deal with Stalin atleast they may have kept part of Poland and maybe gained some Soviet territory. After Stalingrad, the war was over for Germany and Italy.

[thecarpy]

@quest8899 Italy? LMAO! Italy was to Germany, what France was to the allies ... Who said I would rather have two German divisions in front of me than a French division behind me ... ROFL!!!!!

[kimmoj9]

kURKISSA OLIS PITÄN RYSSÄNPASKAT TUHOTA, MUT SAATANAN PASKALLA LÖYTYI AINA JENKKI VOIMIA TAUSTALLA... mINKÄS JENKKIPASKALLE MAHTOI TAAS VAIHTEEKSI... jENKIT ON 2 KERTAA SEKAANTUNUT JA OLEN SITÄ MIELTÄ ETTÄ 3:MAS KERTA ON LIIKAA...

[kimmoj9]

kURKISSA OLIS PITÄN RYSSÄNPASKAT TUHOTA, MUT SAATANAN PASKALLA LÖYTYI AINA JENKKI VOIMIA TAUSTALLA... mINKÄS JENKKIPASKALLE MAHTOI TAAS VAIHTEEKSI...

[JuergenGDB]

@Nasdaq7 I disagree with your two prong attack.. destroying Moscow yes.. and you need to take Leningrad so that the FINNS would fight. The Finns barely attacked Leningrad and the Northern areas. Moscow and Leningrad 1941... Cauacuases 1942 after the North is secured. They could have also added more pressure on the Turks if Alexandria was taken by end or mid 1941 with and extra Pz divison and Motorized division. (Fuel reserves for the south) Eradicate all Brits and CW forces from the Med!.

[goldyn12345]

who was the better commander von manstien or zhukov? in my opinion von manstien everytime!!!

[dylanSAURIOL55]

Wow what a shitty camera god next time if your going to film something invest in a HD camera you fucking redneck

[MAVERICKALP]

and Waffen SS was a hell of a unit under the command of a mad corporal. . .

[JuergenGDB]

@MAVERICKALP You should know that the Waffen SS fought for each other, and near the end most disliked their fuher.. but loved their country.. thats what they were fighting for...maintaining Germany's integrity from Communist Russia.

[goldyn12345]

thats right, ive heard some historians say that if he pushed on to moscow directly then the russian morale would have been devastated, and the germans might have won against russia. since the fall of communism it has been discovered that stalin was willing to give hitler the ukraine and the baltic states in a peace deal if he needed to. i wonder if hitler would have agreed or would he have pushed onto vladivostok?

[goldyn12345]

yes hitler had a brilliant army and his generals were the best in my opinion, but yes i tnihk your right, he shouldnt have split is forces so much!!!

[mattabiko24]

Hitler lost half of his best battalion & tanks during battle of kursk.tigers & panthers are good for long range attack.but since close range fight,tigers & panthers are usless due to thier slow turret turns...

[MAVERICKALP]

and their limited on tracks handling/speeding capacity

[mattabiko24]

bcoz Hitler & his generals knows that Russian gonna attack german at anytime.thats why hilter ordered his generals to attack them even their new panthers are not ready on d battlefield... no wonder panzers have a great lost during that battle...

[desolate1959]

Thye SS were brave and fought like lions for the fuhrer.88

[goldyn12345]

hitler was too arrogant, he thought the russians to be so primitive that they wouldnt have tanks as good as the t 34s or even any capable millitary leaders, he thought stalin had them executed. do you think had the germans planned barbarossa more carefully then they might have won the war with russia?

[Brough1111]

The battle is not only the result of supeior

numbers, but the brilliance of the Russian Generals and the key player the T-34, The biltz and armoured spear head

of the Panzers was actually design by a British officer.

[goldyn12345]

the waffen ss were an elite fighting force!!! they fought the russians to the end, to the very last bullet!!!

[ghjcnjt2718]

Yes, they were strong soldiers. So much the greater our Victory.

[goldyn12345]

very well put, the russians just swamped them with much larger numbers!!!

[ghjcnjt2718]

Well, when we had more soldiers we used this advantage. Fo sure. Should not we? But let me give you an example: Battle of Moscow. Google, read and think who had more soldiers in that battle and who won.

[goldyn12345]

i,ll google it, but i assume that the russians outnumbered them. at the battle of kursk von manstiens forces suffered 50 thousand dead, while zhukovs losses were 190 thousand yet the russians were the victors!!! crazy!! in my opinion the germans had the best generals of ww2. what use were they though when hitler kept interfering.

[ghjcnjt2718]

And one more remark. The efficiency of Soviet army in common was proven by red flag on Reichstag. If you want to compare the soldiers' strength - look at battles where Germans and Russians had relatively equal resources. I already suggested you Battle of Moscow. But you can also read about Battle of Stalingrad.

[goldyn12345]

oh yeah the red army were a force to be reckoned with, they numbered 6 million, thousands of t-34s and aircraft. churchill especially was very weary of them, especially after the war!!!

[kozjevime1]

@goldyn12345 @kingyen WHATEVER YOU SAY, WW2 WAS IN REALITY BETWEEN GERMAN AND RUSSIAN NATION - TWO MAIN NATIONS OF WHITE RACE. TOTALLY IDIOTIC AND BERSERK, SUICIDAL. AND STILL MANY FROM BOTH SIDES DO NOT REALISE THAT THEY ARE CONTINUED TO BE LED TO FINAL SLAUGHTERHOUSE OF WHITE RACE...EXCEPT IF ONE BLEIEVES THAT HOMOSEXUAL ENGLISH OR MONGRELIZED FRENCH CAN HELP LOST CASE OF SO CALLED whitey Race.

[Zukatsr125]

@goldyn12345 Not really, but yes some Waffen-SS divisons fought very good.

[Lexey1974]

It is all very interestingly! I very seriously concern history of this war. Hitler was the great person despite the fact that what all consider as its monster. Likely he very much loved the people if has decided to win all Europe. But our fathers and grandfas have won, it was great fight! I very much respect as Russian and Germans!

[nurmiar]

SS had won the battle if they just had permission to move the attack in march 1943 north, after retaking Charkov, after this they should have attacked north as long as they could...maybe to Orel

[waystedkiss]

retreat to fight another day ! STUPID STUPID HITLER ! Thank god for his stupidity and the blind arrogance of those who followed him to HELL. Burn in hell HITLER you are KAPUT !

[aznf0rl1fe]

THE SOVIETS CHEATED THEY USED ARTILLERY!!!! stupid germany didnt believe in artillery

[2008NZ]

Actually they lost the war due to a shortage of mash mellows.

And they did have artillery, but they used AA guns horizontally.

[hoboman1000]

They cheated... ? This isn't a game.

[aznf0rl1fe]

ya it is. people should not gain up its riggeed LOL FOR THE FUHRER BITCH LOLOLOLOLOL

[Murray1193]

pretty sure they did you retard they didnt go into a total war state production till to late

[pocketshit]

damn.........should i trust wikipedia or youtube......

[drugpajo]

jewhaaaaahhha

[Brough1111]

The Germans are the same cross section of humnanity that all other races are, they just

had the misfortune of a mad man gaining control of there country, you can not step on a snakes tail you must strike his head, the Nazis had complete control and didn't allow

the truth if you tole the truth you were exterminated.

[swanningaround]

Brough. I agree with you in that Germans as a people are no better or worse than the rest of us. It is just that the American person is more advanced technologically and more intelligent. Therefore America will always win.

[pocketshit]

kursk is the real turning point for the eastern front not stalingrad

[sre2464]

You don't have a clue. Kursk was a last gasp effort by Germany. The true turning point was Moscow 41.

[mirgavno]

great point of wiew!

[Soldat177]

When hitler sent forces into russia...that was the turning point

[WTCTribute]

Stalingrad was the turning point, because for the first time a German army was defeated. Stalingrad turned the tide of the war, and the Germans were finally on the retreat for the first time. Kursk just sealed the deal.

[MarineInfantry00]

not really, german was defeated before this durin the winter, they regained the initiative, and went on the offencive in spring of 42, then being defeated in stalingrad, in winter and spring of 43, when the russians launched ops. saturn and uranus, then the germans stalemated the russians, making the southern and central fronts static... so either side coulda still won.. but hitler being a dumbass launched op. citidel which sealed germans fateto losing the war, and also the second front in italy

[jesseox4]

gotcha109 you are a fucking worthless piece of fucking shit. go fuck youself bitch.motherfucker

[themgoodpancakes]

but gotcha is telling the truth... in the battle of kursk the new Panther Panzer tank was used for the first time in combat and proved extremeley unreliable due cronic breakdowns and overheating. but the tiger was an amazing tank

[jpjunior442]

mathiehesse say the thruth just think about the amerindian people. THE BIGGEST GENOCIDE IN THE HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE NOT AGAINST THE JEWS BUT AGAINST INOCENT POPULATION OF NATIVE AMERICAN.SOME OF THEM WERE NOT EVEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS A WAR. but who know that? Winner always write history at there advantage and now we think Native American were brutal and merciless murderer.

[jpjunior442]

I have no compassion for those jews cause they seems to gain power from that genocide and now they do same to palestinian

[Fryfish9]

No compassion? I wish somebody would gas and burn people like you. The world would truly be a better place.

[nurmiar]

German army murdered some 13 million russian civilians...very brave army

[Soldat177]

yep go head and clump the army with the SS...retard

[gotcha109]

hope the waffen SS mothers and daughter like getting some russian cock in the spring of 1945...lol

[slayersthashit]

you make me sick, but your name is gotcha so your probly trying to get a rise out of people.

[procopro]

Another summer offensive did not reap the strategic goals. Only this one failed much more quickly than the previous two (Moscow 1941 and Stalingrad). Now the Reds are throwing us, Nazi Thugs out of Orel and Kharkov.

[FutureWarrior2006]

The II SS Panzer Korps did very well at Kursk. It advanced farther than any other German unit. The Germans could have achieved at least a tactical victory in the south if Hitler had not called it off so soon.

[thorus15100900]

lepsi sowieci niż niemieckie śmieci

[typman]

Morda parówo.

[thorus15100900]

nazistowskie ścierwo itak przegrało.

[Argerie9]

ni con las waffen ss pudieron ls alemanes cerrar el saliente de kursk, a partir de entonces todo fue una larga retirada.

[c00per69]

Waffen SS murdered women, children and elderyly people that is true. Stalin alone murdered 10 times what hitler and nazis did. Even the allies in the west where guilty of burning children to death within german cities using incendiary bombs. Dresden alone expert's figure was over 1000 degrees in centre. WW2 is now history with attrocities on all sides get over it

[anaplastic]

@c00per69

WTF you are talking? Stalin killed his own people, 1.5 million in gulags (including common criminals), and, unintentionallly, during the Holodomur famine, 1.2 million. Nazis killed 21 million civilians, on purpose and systematically. The nazis had a purpose in killing or enslaving entire nations, Soviets never did that.

I am really sick of neo-nazis like you who say that Soviets were worse than nazis. For a nazi like you, Hitler may be better, but not for common people.

Shut up!

[thecarpy]

@anaplastic I am anti-nazi, but USSR killed more people than were killed during WWII - so YOU shut the fuck up. i think there are many sides to the 50 Million killed in WWII - nobody should forget the jews, the homosexuals, nor the political opponents killed by Nazi Germany. Yet, nobody should forget what the allies did in retaliation to humiliating defeat, the bombing genocide. Then you have the USSR, way worse than both the previous combined. None of the perpetrators deserve respect.

[anaplastic]

@thecarpy

You fag, I gave you the numbers. USSR killed much less civilians than nazis, I gave already the numbers, more than 10 times less. And USSR never went rampaging against entire nations. Would I be a Soviet or a Jew in 1945, I would have killed every german in my sight, after what these german animals did. I am still baffled by the generosity of the Soviets, they had means and reasons to kill dozens of millions of german bastards. They did not do that.

[kozjevime1]

@anaplastic Are you undercover Bolshevik? We all know that Germans commited masive crimes of GENOCIDE on both Russian and Polish population BUT SOWIET BOLSHEVIK GULAG ARCHIPELAG swallowed many times more Russians DURING THE PEACE PERIOD than Germans during the War.

[NoweMandingo]

@c00per69 it is worthy to find significant difference between SS as criminal organization and Waffen SS as military arm of it. In fact Waffen SS was probably (together with airborn and mountain formations) most elite part of German Army during IIWW

[MrBobe9]

@NoweMandingo When we say WAFFEN SS we mean the elite fighting forces or what every army in the world now call SPECIAL FORCES , highly selected and trained soldiers, the waffen ss LEIBSTANDART AH, DAS REICH and TOTENKOPFT, not the prison guards POLIZEI SS.

[MrBobe9]

@c00per69 We give to much credit to STALIN but i believe that he was not behind most of crimes in USSR , i believe the brain was MOLOTOV, much more intelligent/evil than STALIN.

STALIN was a charismatic figure the POLITBURO used him as COMMUNISM POSTER BOY, his radio speeches and his smile were necessary for the communists.

[kozjevime1]

@c00per69 @kingyen WHATEVER YOU SAY, WW2 WAS IN REALITY BETWEEN GERMAN AND RUSSIAN NATION - TWO MAIN NATIONS OF WHITE RACE. TOTALLY IDIOTIC AND BERSERK, SUICIDAL. AND STILL MANY FROM BOTH SIDES DO NOT REALISE THAT THEY ARE CONTINUED TO BE LED TO FINAL SLAUGHTERHOUSE OF WHITE RACE...EXCEPT IF ONE BLEIEVES THAT HOMOSEXUAL ENGLISH OR MONGRELIZED FRENCH CAN HELP LOST CASE OF SO CALLED whitey Race.

[SauronMouth]

@c00per69 but the Germans started it...

[Shevlane]

The Waffen SS may have been excellent soldiers, but they were also evil murderers who enjoyed torturing and killing defenceless women, children and elderly people.

[bonewifey18]

but you have to say if not for the russians eating up the best german troops ww2 might have been a diff story

[Shevlane]

Thankfully Hitler was stupid enough to fight Russia, Britain and America at the same time.

[mutdog1]

That is for the most part BS, there are certain people in this world who need to constantly remind us of the evil Germans. The facts are that most SS were just outstanding combat soldiers who were known to hold against all odds. Yes the SS did commit attrocities as have all armies. Yes they did guard the death camps as they were ordered to do. But the SS operated mostly in the east and from what I have read the Russian armies acts of inhumanity against eastern Europe were far worse.

[mathiehesse]

HAHAHAHA, who enjoey killing women and children. omg that is so silly, but it's ok, your just an udecated ghett-thommy gypse.

The biggest majority of thew affen-ss was just on the front, like the wehrmacht and fighting an enemy who had a 55:1 tank, plane, men supperirity for 6years on for fronts. they didn't have time to kill fucking jevvs or sth. else. Every army in the wolrd commited war crimes, but the winner always write the history

[MuskyFever72]

Most people think Hitlers biggest mistake was attacking Russia and it was. However Russia was planning on taking over Europe once Germany, France, and England got worn down from fighting each other. Russia would of just kept going right thru Europe if the United States hadn't been there. As a matter of fact I believe that Russia would of went to war with the United States in 1945-46 if the United States didnt have the A-bomb at the time.

[chrisfigaro]

As an American, I must admit that the Russians did a VERY good job during world war II.

I'm sure that attacking Russia was Hitler's biggest mistake. Germany paid for aggression against Russia by having itself divided.

Never ever ever mess with the Red Army if you can avoid it. During the cold war, America's strategy against the red army was to Point a huge nuclear arsenal at the Russian homeland, blackmailing the USSR into peace. Probably a much better stratthen facing the red army itself.

[looker3189]

Soviets had way too much time to prepare and had been given intelligence on the attack from the British code breakers. The plan might have been a good idea in the beginning but turned into a lame charge into a fortified brick wall of defenses and land mines. Those lost forces coukld have been used much more wisely.

[remember300]

the only thing that kept hitler away from dominating europe was the wrong season to march an attack on russia.

the d-day would never come unless the waffen ss and weihrmacht was on normandy,but they where on counterattacks at the eastern front.

[agricolae101]

Katyn Forest

15,000 Polish Officers murdered by soviet forces

Remember the Germans had been accused of this at Nuremburg, by the Soviet prosecutor.

But, Mikhail Gorbachev later admitted, Yes...the Russians had done it - murdered the 15,000

Thank god for Glasnost and Perestroika...at last the truth about many of the 'war crimes' can start to come to light

or the many other masacres

[oststurm]

You Poles are so pathetic

with your katyn shit

Youd better read something about generalplan Ost according to it 95 % of polska would have been exterminated.

[agricolae101]

I'M NOT POLISH DICK FACE

And, show me this 'Generalplan Ost'...as you call it, I've never heard anything about it

[oststurm]

Go and inform yourself

Am I your super nanny?

[agricolae101]

Again...in the university library

there is NO REFERENCE to a 'general plan Ost'

[agricolae101]

Again...in the university library

there is NO REFERENCE to a 'general plan Ost'

[oststurm]

I said Generalplan Ost.

You gotta be real AUS

[agricolae101]

I looked for this in the university library system...linked to all other University libraries in Australia

NOT 1 SINGLE MENTION

[ilShearer]

Generalplan Ost (GPO) was a Nazi plan to ethnically cleanse the territories occupied by Germany in Eastern Europe during World War II. It was prepared in 1941 and confirmed in 1942. The plan was part of Hitler's own Lebensraum plan and a fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten ("Drive towards the East") state ideology.

It should be noted that nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.

[agricolae101]

Than how do you know it ever existed in the first place?

It's easy to accuse an enemy of whatever you like after they have admitted total defeat - after you have tortured them and they 'confess all', this way the allies managed to find lots of other bullshit evidence (which has since been disproven or admitted as crap)

In the words of Shakespeare, at the sack of Harfleur "...Dread King, enter our gates, dispose of us and ours [do with us as you want], for we no longer are defensible"

[agricolae101]

Part2

Everyone should look at the evidence of Nuremburg before they comment

or at least ask themselves...if they were clensing Germany, why were they moving people who were deemed appropriatly aryan into the reich's borders...why not leave them where they are and just add your 'colonists' to those Germanic peoples

Labensraum was even a term that dropped out of Hitler's vocabulary shortly after he became a 'respectable politician'

Anyone who believes in "Generalplan Ost" is a dickwit

[ilShearer]

It was common for germans to destroy any evidence when they were going to be defeated.

It seems that this plan really existed because it was mentioned in other war documents.

The principal which makes it possible to recreate with a great deal of accuracy just what was contained in Generalplan Ost is a memorandum of April 27, 1942 entitled: Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS (Opinion and ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer SS).

[agricolae101]

Why didn't the French destroy their records

The German's tried to indroduce this 'white book' at Nuremburg, but weren't allowed

this contained enough evidence to get them off the charge of 'Conspiracy to commit Aggressive War' 1/4 charges they were accussed of.

but spurious evidence such as that linking the Germans to the Katynn forest massacre were produced, pictures of lockers labelled as torture boxes, pedal driven brain bashing machines, etc

[agricolae101]

or documents suppossed, photostatedcopies of originals with type written signatures, but yet they refused to produce the originals that they made the photocopy

Or documents in foreign languages signed by Germans who didn't speak foreign languages

Or US document L50, with an FBI stamp on the reverse of the page

and mistranslations, beaten confessions, i.e. Julius Streicher, etc etc

believe me, I have read enough to know this is a load of crap

[Trev1er02]

That's absolutely true. The Nuremberg trials were a pair of showcase trials, and many German officials and military men were forced to admit to their alleged "crimes" through the use of torture and threats. It's also funny how the concentration camps "eyewitnesses", i.e. individual Jews, were sometimes able to get away with remarkable statements and never got questioned by the court.

See documentaries like "One Third of The Holocaust" and "Buchenwald - A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil".

[einsatzdeath]

I should check that out. I remember seeing pictures of "shrunken heads" at Buchenwald. I'm like, "Okay, that's gotta be some bullshit."

The Germans killed a lot of Jews, but I think a lot of the "Holocaust" is stuff that's been made up.

[punjabshere123]

actually theres video evidence u hitler loving cunt

[ahakso]

An "army" in this case is an "armeijakunta," not "armeija." The whole German army did not surrender at Stalingrad.

[ksfloyd123]

so thankyou bcr004 your comments regarding germany and I will quote you "I do have a probelm with 'honor' though, particularly when that is ascribed to units like the Waffen SS." you sure because you must have a problem with a lot of countries, religions and nationalities, you really need to read a book before you mouth off at people on this site your a disgrace

[ksfloyd123]

# 30th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (2nd Russian)

# 30th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Belarussian)

# 32nd SS Volunteer Grenadier Division 30 Januar

# 33rd Waffen Cavalry Division of the SS (3rd Hungarian)

# 33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne (1st French),

# 37th SS Volunteer Cavalry Division Lützow

# 38th SS Grenadier Division Nibelungen

[ksfloyd123]

# 24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS (Karstjäger)

# 25th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Hunyadi (1st Hungarian)

# 26th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Hungaria (2nd Hungarian),.

# 27th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Langemarck (1st Flemish)

# 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien

# 29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Russian)

# 29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Italian),

[ksfloyd123]

a reference list of none german ss.

foreign ss divisions

# 19th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (2nd Latvian)

# 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Estonian)

# 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderberg (1st Albanian)

# 22nd SS Volunteer Cavalry Division Maria Theresia

# 23rd Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Kama (2nd Croatian)

[ksfloyd123]

if the german generals could deploy their military tactics and not the tactics of a ww1 cpl called hitler, the soviet union and all its communist legacy would be fairy tales.

[sens45]

I dont completely agree with u for the reason being that Hitler did conquer all of western Europe by being a smart strategist the situation started to detiorate in the ussr where by the middle of '43 he stopped listening to his generals. however, had he listened to his generals throughout the whole war the fucking commie menace would be no more and Europe would be a rich and beautiful continent =)

[ksfloyd123]

yes but don't forget Hitler was not on the frontline. His Generals even began to ignore his orders later on the eastern front. Manstein would ignore alot of Hitlers orders and as a result ultra information coming from Berlin was not correctly true on the Eastern front due to the fact that the Generals there were fighting their own battles to stay alive. Thanks for the comment

[Buggsy61]

They may have been sadistic and murderous but they were also phenominally good soldiers and brilliantly led. Only the war of attrition on the Eastern Front wore them down. Patton was lucky he never came up against them.

Some made their last stand at Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam, which was the last bunker to fall. Great soldiers.

[bcr004]

SS and Wehrmacht was a bunch of sadistic, murderous thugs! I'm really really glad the Soviets kicked the crap out of the Nazi Krauts!!!

[ksfloyd123]

go and read a history book clown

[bcr004]

What a wanker! So the Nazis weren't genocide-lovin', untermenschen hatin', murdering fascist SOBs? They were full of peace and love, like Quakers, spreading their brand of Hitler love

peacefully? You descended from one of them, Bubba?

[ksfloyd123]

The point you have sadly missed is. I do not justify the horrors that the german political system implemented during the war years in europe. I believe their soldiers fought with bravery and honour just like every soldier does and until you become a soldier yourself you wont understand what they went through.

[bcr004]

Look, I understand your point about them being brave...and I agree, the Germans were some of the most motivated and best led soldiers, ever.I do have a probelm with 'honor' though, particularly when that is ascribed to units like the Waffen SS. And sorry for the rude names I called you!

[ksfloyd123]

Hitler invades poland 1939 with the help of his allies the soviet union then uk declare war on germany for invading poland...fair enough considering uk and france sat there and watched poland get smashed then the uk become allies with the soviets who also invaded poland, who after 1947 us and uk declare a cold war and a space race with the soviets and fight communism all over the world from cuba, vietnam, laos and korea to name a few.

[sens45]

ya I think that if the western allies allied themselves with Germany against the ruskies the world would be a better place!

[beckett2005]

Allied negotiating with Germany? You must be kidding. Hitler's Ribentropp negotiated with Stalin in 1944, hoped for deal Eastern Europe again to Russia (like Ribentropp Molotov sale of Eastern Europe to commies, plus Romania, plus Bulgaria, plus possibly Greece... Germans must get rid of Polish underground free and undisturbed. Ceasefire on vistula lasted august 1944- january 1945, HALF A YEAR OF HITLER BETRAYING EVEN HIS OWN NAZIS.

[beckett2005]

Also, SS commandos murdered all the most anti-communist circles of right wing parties. Ask yourself, who killed kanzler Schleicher, who invented programs for fighting unemployment, massive "new deal" like programs for building highways. Hitler knew tacticks, give me a break. I read Hitler-Speer talks about war production of opponents. Numbers baffled and confused him. Serious tactical discussion angered him and made him tired. His incompetence was notorious.

[accountnumberone]

if there is someone who needs reading its you.

[ksfloyd123]

thanks for your en lighting feedback. Go and eat a curry

[DexterHollandrulez06]

Leibstandarte was the best division

[Elementz123]

Das Reich gained more ground.

[slothafur]

they were THIS close to breaking through to kursk, das reich div. requested the attack be continued. but nay.

[DexterHollandrulez06]

amazing footage