You can use this same step to make aluminum powder too. You dissolve your zinc, and then with aluminum foil or stripped cans, do the same thing. The aluminum will displace the zinc and you collect the zinc and then you add the magnesium and the magnesium will displace the aluminum and you will get zinc and aluminum powder from the same batch.
you should really put the water that you added into the second equation. you had me mesmerized at how u managed to produce H2 out of ZnCl2 + Mg (the original equation) but i understood what you meant, thanks for the video,,, did anyone else notice this or am i just a nerd?
@joshpri2008 I didn't put an equation because I don't know what metal is actually reacting to producing the hydrogen, I suspect that it is the zinc since it is so finely divided, however I'm not sure. Most if not all of the bubbling at 2:48 was just the water boiling from the heat produced in the reaction.
In the first equation, you should use stoichiometric amounts, (1 mol of Zn, 2 mol of HCl) with the HCl SLIGHT excess. What will happen is the Magnesium precipitates out the Zn, because it is higher up than zinc on the reactivity scale. When you add the Mg in, there will be a slight amount of bubbling as it reacts with the HCl to produce soluble MgCl2.
@spotlightman1234 Also, the bubbles from the Magnesium would be Hydrogen, because it reacts slightly with water to form Magnesium Hydroxide and Hydrogen gas.
@4256573 If it doesn't have any contaminates that would mess up the reaction, i see no reason why you couldn't use that. However I suspect you might need to add a super tiny bit of HCl to the solution in order promote the reaction by exposing the fresh magnesium's surface to zinc ions.
You Are A Freakin' Chemistry Genius. That was a very impressive video. Good explanation, totally reproducible... Normally I would not watch something like that, for whatever reason, but that was bloody interesting! Well done!!
@SuperSlimeBoy Actually it's a watchglass, but I do have many glass petri dishes. I bought a whole box of chemistry stuff salvaged from an abandoned lab from about $50 It had tons of glassware and hardware in it. I just cleaned it all up with nitric acid and soap.
In your last stage where you're reacting the Zinc Chloride with the Magnesium, I'm wondering if there is a replacement for water? or if it could not be used at all, since Water is reacting with the Zinc to form Zinc oxide. Since you use it though as a coolant for the experiment, I'm hoping one could mathematically calculate the amount of water needed to cool the reaction without reacting with the end product.
@marcomovies97 Lol no. The problem is that zinc is way below aluminium in the activity series thus it won't replace aluminium in it's salts. Also if you were able to get aluminium metal to form it would react with water forming Al(OH)3 and there is no way to separate that from the Al metal. It's just cheaper to buy Al powder.
If Al reacts with water like you say, and can not be precip because of that, then put a fucking piece of Al in H2O and tell me what happens. NOTHING! Because that same layer of hydroxide you say prevents the reaction (precip of Al) is the same fucking hydroxide that PRESERVES the Al underwater, thus allowing it to be precip like all 3 of these metals can and do. The thing here is like a poster already said, not water, but too much water. Point is even WITH it it still works. Moron.
Ok now to address Mr. Nickalise fakeass wannabe chemist who obviously never read a chemistry book in his life. Quit talking about how people can't displace those metals because you CAN. This video is obvious proof of that, and obvious proof of how low your IQ is. Get your facts straight, magnesium doesn't react with water unless its boiling, and it takes fucking forever even in those conditions. Also one more post just to show how little you know about chemistry (cont)
yellow/brown precip forming which ruined the reaction. The Zn stopped forming and pretty soon it turned to an inseperable mess. So next I will try using a lead anode like someone said you have to use. I just don't like the idea of using magnesium to precip zinc as I simply can't waste Mg for stuff like this. Its not easy to get where I live and if I was going to order powdered metals online I just get the Zn instead.
Ok update on Al displacement of Zinc. I verified that the foil was aluminum and it was. However I DID dilute the solution with cold water to tame it a bit when it reacted and another poster said dilute ZnCl2 will not work with Al. So I'm going to try boiling it down next.
I had also tried to electrolyze it and used iron and al for my cathode/anode. At this point I got a beautiful shiny zinc precipitate however it only lasted a couple minutes. A couple minutes later I got a nasty (cont)..
Pretty nice experiment u are demonstrating. We can see something interesting here. Something that, also, happens to me: A false logic! We would all assume that one molecule would replace the other.
Nice try though, but u’ll never get Zn, Al or Mg by ionic displacement in water.
U’ll always end up with hydroxides, like in this case Mg(OH)2 n Zn(OH)2. What’s ur trying to do is ending up with a Lewis Acid. Just like CuCl2 is reacting with Al to get the copper back to it’s metallic form. But in this case, it won’t do the trick. Cause non of those metals Zn, Mg & Al can exist in water. They all react with water to produce Hydrogen n then forming Hydroxides, as the following reaction : Mg + 2H2O = Mg(OH)2 + 2H2 or 2Al + 6H2O = 2Al(OH)3 + 3H2 or Zn + 2H2O = Zn(OH)2 + H2.
As my friend Moco would say : Dheeuu! We put multiple Al things in water n nothing ever happened. Thing is Al tend to react very rapidly with oxygen in air to form a thin layer of Al oxide called alumina, Al2O3. This layer is invisible n waterproof. As for ur experiment, ZnCl2 & Mg won’t react in water, cause Mg will preferably react with water before reacting with ZnCl2.
That’s why you end up with a pale grey very light powder. Instead of a dark grey, heavy powder. Take the same volume of mechanically grind Zn n ur chemically powdered Zn. U’ll notice a difference of weight. This should be a clue, here, that shows u that there’s something wrong. ??Ceci étant dit?? U can make Zn powder from ZnCl2. U have to do a ZnCl2 electrolysis with an iron cathode an a lead anode. Then the Zn will deposit on the iron. This is not to difficult to reproduce.
@jeremiahswee to get rid of the hydroxide, rinse it with ammonia, then rinse it with a dry solvent like acetone or absolute ethanol allow the solvent to evaporate and you'll have hydroxide free zinc powder, also it's be a good idea to ballmill the powder or grind it in a mortar and pestle before using it for best results.
Alright that sounds like a good idea I will give it a shot. In terms of chemistry it seems like it should definitely work so all I probably need is a bit of acid like you said and some heat. Will let you know how it goes thank you!!
@Poisonmilk666 Heat up a bunch of pennies with a blow torch. The zinc will melt inside the copper skin and run out. Only works with pennies '82 and up.
You know I'm pretty sure I tried displacing zinc from zinc chloride using aluminum foil instead of magnesium and it didn't work. I did it the same exact way. But apparently the layer of aluminum oxide on the foil prevents it from reacting. So naturally I scratched the surface under solution.. and still didn't work. No idea why but I could not get the zinc to displace using regular foil. Anyone know why?
@HUsoldier171 Magnesium is the highest metal on the activity series that doesn't react with water too quickly to be used. Magnesium and aluminium are the only feasible options. I'll try aluminium again and if it works i'll post an other video. Alternatively just buy zinc powder : /
Just now i tried the method, allthough it doesn´t seem to work if you dillute the ZnCl2, as soon as i did, the reaction started to wear off.
I dont think that i had any access acid when putting in the aluminium, allthough a very violent reaction occured. See to it that your foil is pure aluminium.
@shmuunk so as long as i dont dilute the zinc chloride aluminum will work and will 20 to 30% hcl work because i make my own and its in that concentration area not 31.45%
Well technically that would not matter since the reaction where zink dissolves in HCl stops when all of the acid has reacted. That´s the reason why it is best to have zink in excess.
However, due to the dillute acid, your zink chloride will contain more water than if you had been using stronger acid. If the aluminum does not react with the solution of ZnCl2 then boil it down a bit or let some water evaporate.
@shmuunk thank you alot once i fix my hcl making process so its a bit stronger and are you good at chemistry in general because if i run into problems i wouldnt mind asking you because you answer very quickly im actually having a problem now with my sulfuric acid concentration
@gothbro111 You can find hydrochloric acid at most hardwares stores in the cleaner section as "muriatic acid" a gallon usually costs 6-8 dollars depending on where you live. Just be very careful and never work with it with out wearing proper gloves, wearing proper eye protection, or working with it inside (as it's very pungent and fumes). The zinc strip can be found usually with the roofing supplies, like screws, gutters and etc... It costs about 15$ a box but may be cheaper.
@RikuElement I have discussed this in previous comments and the general consensus is that it may work but the final product is contaminated with Al(OH)3 and aluminium bits.
@h0meIandsecurity Oh yeah, also the only way i can make magnesium powder is by clamping a magnesium fire starter in a vice then drilling holes in it, producing rather thin magnesium shavings. Then taking an old coffee grinder and putting the magnesium shavings in it. I tape down the button of the coffee grinder and plug it in to an extension cord so i can operate it from a distance. i let it run for several minutes, giving it breaks to cool down until i have usable magnesium powder.
@h0meIandsecurity I have looked in to this before but unfortunately, the only metals that would displace magnesium from it's salts also react with water too quickly to be useful. If you were to use lithium, or any other alkali metal for that matter, the lithium would react with water too quickly to produce any magnesium, if any. also the hydroxides formed by the reacting metals with water would react with the magnesium salt and form magnesium hydroxide.
@ExplosiveAnyThing Maybe, I haven't tried it. I suspect you'll get a product contaminated with Al(OH)3 though. To get best results with aluminium I suggest not diluting the solution and heating (but not to boiling) the solution to prevent as much formation of Al(OH)3. If you can think of a way to separate the insoluble Al(OH)3 from the zinc feel free to tell me and i'll put it in an annotation.
You can also get zinc from pennies made after the 90's should be around 98%, you can get it to near 100% purity by melting, removing slag, remelting, removing slag, etc.
@ShadowFopsie I never added acid to water, If you actually watched the video ( at 2:15 ) you'd see I added water to Zinc Chloride solution, there was no acid present ! Next time watch the video before you post rude comments like that.
@h0meIandsecurity HAHA no. Watch glases aren't from watches, they are a piece of laboratory glassware used to cover beakers and to observe the evaporation of what ever chemical you put on it. They are made of borosilicate glass and cost about 1 dollar each but can be cheaper if bought in bulk.
@tinycnyc if you washed the zinc powder with ammonia (to dissolve any Zn(OH)2 or ZnO) then rinsed it completely with some kind of dry solvent like acetone or pure ethanol you could get a product with a LOT less Zn(OH)2. I haven't had any problems with this contamination though so it's not entirely necessary.
Nice video! But why using some expensive magnesium to get zinc powder?
I think it whould be easier getting some zinc powder from the core of exausthed alkaline batteries. Even if there are iron impurities that is not a problem...because for our purposes you don't need a 100% pure stuff. (However even yours will have some contaminations)
@PubliosValesios well i have found magnesium fire starters for as low as 2 dollars so the cost is worth i to me also opening an alkaline battery is dangerous as KOH can be splattered on you or your property so i think it's worth the saved time and effort to just either buy it or make it it the process i show
@thefireisfun123 not really as when ever aluminium is displaced from solution it tends to react with water producing aluminium hydroxide and hydrogen I have tried reacting magnesium with AlCl3 with no luck. If you ballmill aluminum foil that you quickly put in the blender for a week you'll get decent quality aluminum powder
@KiLLaKRaBz Actually reasonablly pure 31.45% hydrochloric acid can be obtained at any hardware store as "muriatic acid". If my mom was a chemistry teacher I wouldn't even be bothering with silly things like this :)
Pretty Interesting. Too bad my parents wont let me play with "dangerous chemicals" or i would probably be as good as working with these kind of things as you! (btw, this is audrey) :P
@Madarpokd why had I not thought of that!!!! You are a genious! Thank you I might upload a diffrent version of this video that says to wash it with ethanol and to wash old batches with ammonia. Thank you. I don't think there will be much ZnO so that won't be a problem.
Cool video! There is one thing I am concerned with though. You said at the end of the video, that the Zn powder started to react with water. That means the end product will be contaminated by Zn(OH)2 and possibly by ZnO due to contact with air at elevated temperatures.
@Madarpok yes i have thought of that you could try to dry the product out with paper towels. that works fine for me. i haven't have a problem with the contamination. if only you could find something that would react with ZnO and Zn(OH)2 but not zinc : /
@spotlightman1234 Wiki says aqueous ammonia can dissolve the hydroxide, and I think it wouldn't dissolve the metal(just a guess, needs to be tested) But then you would end up with damp ammonia-smelling powder, so a wash with plenty of dry ethanol will be necessary.(again, this is an untested idea)
and all this time i thought people would take that metal to a grinder and just slowly grind it down lol, ur nuts little dude!! awesome vids :D also, can u make a how to make stink bombs vid?? =) thnx
@ChemistryProduction i haven't tried using aluminum very much but it might work...
with my experience you have to heat the mixture on a hot plate for a couple minutes with the aluminum in to get the reaction started. because as you know aluminum has that oxide layer and all but if you get it to work make a video response
shouldn't you neutralize any remaining acid before placing the magnesium? you'll loose some magnesium as chloride and hydroxide....
Also, you may try a piece of alluminium (not foil), it works for me to make copper powder from copper sulfate and just a *tiny* pinch of sodium hydroxide to remove the oxide layer.
@adriiPortillo there is no excess acid because the zinc has completely reacted with it over night. also if you try adding a base to the solution it will make zinc hydroxide. and i have tried adding aluminium but you have to heat the solution to get it started even then most of the aluminium reacts with the water and doesn't precipitate out zinc. so magnesium and zinc chloride is the most reliable
@adriiPortillo aluminium does not normally react with water because there is an extremely thin oxide layer preventing it from reacting but when this layer is stripped it can react with water 2Al + 6H2O = 2Al(OH)3 + 3H2. chloride ions can attack this layer and expose the pure aluminium. but when pure aluminium is exposed to air with in seconds the layer is instantly formed again.this is why when aluminium is placed in copper chloride it forms hydrogen.
I alredy know about the oxide layer, thats why my equaiton started wit Al2O3, but i really dont think your chloride theory is rigth, you can boil a NaCl solution in a Al pot without it dissolving, but boiling NaClO does destroy an Al Pan.... also, i have seen molten alluminium being frozen down with water, you cant do that with magnesium, but it can be done with alluminium.
@adriiPortillo Of course NaCl wont react with Aluminium or Magnesium. The whole reason the reactions in the video work is because both Aluminium and Magnesium are above Zinc in the activity series so they will replace it in most of Zinc's ionic compounds. Sodium is above Magnesium and Aluminium so they wont react. Also it can be pretty risky pouring molten aluminium in to water because there is a chance of pure aluminium contacting water though it only really is bad if you... continued
@adriiPortillo ... pour molten Aluminium in to a mold that has a little water in it. Also trying to melt Magnesium is pretty extreme! Do you work in a place where they have inert gas sheilding for casting molten Magnesium to keep it from catching on fire?
I go to my construction market, buy a can of zinc anticorrosive paint,
add a solvent and spill off the diluted laquer. Do it twice and I have a fine zinc powder.
MucusFelidae 1 week ago
this is REALLY ghetto
defaultbomb14 1 week ago
You can use this same step to make aluminum powder too. You dissolve your zinc, and then with aluminum foil or stripped cans, do the same thing. The aluminum will displace the zinc and you collect the zinc and then you add the magnesium and the magnesium will displace the aluminum and you will get zinc and aluminum powder from the same batch.
TakronRust 1 week ago
Holy-Terrorist:>*=* I knowed making zinc[Zn] powder, lol, i not looked video, for later, im sleeping!
I speak french and little english.
Agentoxedo07 3 weeks ago
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Agentoxedo07 3 weeks ago
you should really put the water that you added into the second equation. you had me mesmerized at how u managed to produce H2 out of ZnCl2 + Mg (the original equation) but i understood what you meant, thanks for the video,,, did anyone else notice this or am i just a nerd?
joshpri2008 1 month ago
@joshpri2008 I didn't put an equation because I don't know what metal is actually reacting to producing the hydrogen, I suspect that it is the zinc since it is so finely divided, however I'm not sure. Most if not all of the bubbling at 2:48 was just the water boiling from the heat produced in the reaction.
spotlightman1234 1 month ago
@spotlightman1234 The reaction would be
1. Zn + 2HCl = ZnCl2 + H2
2. ZnCl2 + Mg = MgCl2 + Zn
In the first equation, you should use stoichiometric amounts, (1 mol of Zn, 2 mol of HCl) with the HCl SLIGHT excess. What will happen is the Magnesium precipitates out the Zn, because it is higher up than zinc on the reactivity scale. When you add the Mg in, there will be a slight amount of bubbling as it reacts with the HCl to produce soluble MgCl2.
In summary, you could use Aluminum rather than Mg
MonsieurChemistry 2 days ago
@spotlightman1234 Also, the bubbles from the Magnesium would be Hydrogen, because it reacts slightly with water to form Magnesium Hydroxide and Hydrogen gas.
MonsieurChemistry 2 days ago
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Dakotadaman22 1 month ago
@Dakotadaman22 well i'm 15 and in the 10th grade so I think i'm too old. Also I'm not really interested.
spotlightman1234 1 month ago
i dont have a fucking backyard.. i have all the chemicals and needed supplies, but cant do this because i dont have abackyard
pyrotechnics100 1 month ago
@pyrotechnics100 Just do it outside, somewhere safe.
spotlightman1234 1 month ago
did you buy the hydrochloric acid at a hardware store?
pyrotechnics100 1 month ago
PLEASE TELL ME what percentage is your hydrochloric acid
pyrotechnics100 1 month ago
@pyrotechnics100 never mind
pyrotechnics100 1 month ago
@pyrotechnics100 It's 9.972 molar also if you were wondering.
spotlightman1234 1 month ago
That sounds good I always wanted to make hydrogen!
Snoepie97 1 month ago
Where did you get all those equipment I mean like from a hardwear store,supermarket what? (Please tell me).
Snoepie97 1 month ago
wow. Very well put together. You are very well spoken, and your videos are great. Thanks!
mgregggphone 1 month ago
where do you get hydrochloric acid?
superawesome484 1 month ago
Good Job! Not only was the chemistry solid but your delivery was excellent! Subscribed.
Have you tried using electro deposition to make zinc powder?
michalchik 1 month ago
while i definitely appreciate the chemistry involved, why dont you just... grind up the zinc roll...?
6squirrels 2 months ago
nice commentary thanks for explaining
invesibel 2 months ago
How could you make magnesium powder please reply ASAP
AnarchistKid1 2 months ago
@AnarchistKid1 grind a block of magnesium on a piece of sand paper.
spotlightman1234 2 months ago 4
my mom is not science teacher so i cant get those glass things and stuff
oooops10 2 months ago
@oooops10 Anyone with the internet and enough money can get pretty much anything.
spotlightman1234 2 months ago
should zinc powder be white? O.o
MCDEVVOMAN 2 months ago
ur fucking smart
Xxnate500 3 months ago
Finally a kid who know what the fuck he talkin about
lomu42 3 months ago 14
Can't the zinc chloride that comes in commercial moss remover be used to make the solution instead of having to use zinc strip and hydrochloric acid?
4256573 3 months ago
@4256573 If it doesn't have any contaminates that would mess up the reaction, i see no reason why you couldn't use that. However I suspect you might need to add a super tiny bit of HCl to the solution in order promote the reaction by exposing the fresh magnesium's surface to zinc ions.
spotlightman1234 3 months ago
@4256573 yes, it should work fine, just make sure there arent any siginificant amounts of contaminents.
Biotoxin388 2 months ago
hey timothy i was just going through some videos on zinc, and i recognized your voice!
Deltaglider1337 3 months ago
@Deltaglider1337 haha hi jahan. Have any idea why this video out of all of my videos has 15,000 views?
spotlightman1234 3 months ago
how old are you man? your so smart lol
achaser100 4 months ago
Awesome vid I'm into this stuff! Normally most people would not know the explanation but I'm only 12 so great job!!!!!!
Ilovelazers 4 months ago
good video but u obviously copied nurdrage
Ripper3gc 4 months ago
And remember kids, don't strike a match at 1:40
RadioTrefoil 4 months ago 8
i have a problem i dont have mg metal can i use naoh please help me out
Mr71seventyone1 4 months ago
@Mr71seventyone1 no you can not.
spotlightman1234 4 months ago
@spotlightman1234
Couldn't you just snip up the roofing strip really fine then mill it for about 3 weeks?
MrOhaiMark 3 months ago
friendz i took zinc from dear aaa batteries the negative point
Mr71seventyone1 4 months ago
You Are A Freakin' Chemistry Genius. That was a very impressive video. Good explanation, totally reproducible... Normally I would not watch something like that, for whatever reason, but that was bloody interesting! Well done!!
sunstarfire 4 months ago
Why can't you just use a metal file on the zinc? Surely its much cheaper and simpler.
Ropleydigory 4 months ago
@Ropleydigory go ahead and do it that way, in fact it wuld give you better results, takes forever though.
spotlightman1234 4 months ago
Very nice
hydriodic 4 months ago
Can the same reaction be done with zinc sulphate instead of zinc chloride?
dudets427 4 months ago
@dudets427 yes but you might have to add a TINY bit of HCl too it to raise the pH.
spotlightman1234 4 months ago
Suggestion... use a desiccant / desiccator bag
iSOisoleucine 4 months ago
Cool video indeed
Goppo713 4 months ago
yes you can be done this way aluminum powder.
check the periodic table. if i remember correctly electronegative of Mg bigger than Al then you can do it.:)
Goppo713 4 months ago
Can this be done to make alluminum powder???
mcwario13 5 months ago
@mcwario13 No.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234 and can flash powder be made with zinc powder and kclo3?
mcwario13 5 months ago
@mcwario13 maybe, but I doubt it will be nearly as powerful as Al/KClO3. I just make flash powder with Mg/KClO3.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234 and can this be done with other metals
mcwario13 5 months ago
great video
chisooguitar 5 months ago
Cool video. Easy to follow along and it keep your attention. Well done.
WorldScott 5 months ago
would zinc oxide have the same effect in pyrotechnics? for say a zinc and sulfur rocket propellant? or are zinc and zinc oxide way different?
MarkThisHour 5 months ago
@MarkThisHour not at all, zinc oxide is pretty much benign.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
where did you get your lab equipment? mainly the petri dish. it is HARD to find a glass petri dish.
SuperSlimeBoy 5 months ago
@SuperSlimeBoy Actually it's a watchglass, but I do have many glass petri dishes. I bought a whole box of chemistry stuff salvaged from an abandoned lab from about $50 It had tons of glassware and hardware in it. I just cleaned it all up with nitric acid and soap.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234
to a... ABANDONED LABORATORY!
SuperSlimeBoy 5 months ago
@SuperSlimeBoy Good luck finding one.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234
Thanks!
SuperSlimeBoy 5 months ago
In your last stage where you're reacting the Zinc Chloride with the Magnesium, I'm wondering if there is a replacement for water? or if it could not be used at all, since Water is reacting with the Zinc to form Zinc oxide. Since you use it though as a coolant for the experiment, I'm hoping one could mathematically calculate the amount of water needed to cool the reaction without reacting with the end product.
AnOicheGhealai 5 months ago
i have zinc wheel waits, got them for free can i use those?
IAmAnAWESOMESamsung 5 months ago
@IAmAnAWESOMESamsung Sure, if it's chemically pure zinc, go right ahead.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234 thank's ill file off the thin layer of paint or something. where did you buy your glass ware or could i just use other stuff?
IAmAnAWESOMESamsung 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234 thank's ill file off the thin layer of paint or something. where did you buy your glass ware or could i just use other stuff?
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@spotlightman1234 thank's ill file off the thin layer of paint or something. where did you buy your glass ware or could i just use other stuff?
IAmAnAWESOMESamsung 5 months ago
Thank you sir! Very good and helpful tutorial
DialedBMX 5 months ago
can you do this:
hcl+al = alcl + h and then alcl + zn = zncl + al?
instead of what you're doing?
marcomovies97 5 months ago
@marcomovies97 Lol no. The problem is that zinc is way below aluminium in the activity series thus it won't replace aluminium in it's salts. Also if you were able to get aluminium metal to form it would react with water forming Al(OH)3 and there is no way to separate that from the Al metal. It's just cheaper to buy Al powder.
spotlightman1234 5 months ago
@spotlightman1234 ok thanks!
marcomovies97 5 months ago
love it, thank you
46564364 5 months ago
great vid , I am learning pyrotechnics and this really helps with compositions and cost:)
wolfenpixels 6 months ago
Aluminium does react with water. Aluminium oxide does not. There mystery solved.
spotlightman1234 6 months ago
@me2b1 how does it clean the air?
spotlightman1234 6 months ago
If Al reacts with water like you say, and can not be precip because of that, then put a fucking piece of Al in H2O and tell me what happens. NOTHING! Because that same layer of hydroxide you say prevents the reaction (precip of Al) is the same fucking hydroxide that PRESERVES the Al underwater, thus allowing it to be precip like all 3 of these metals can and do. The thing here is like a poster already said, not water, but too much water. Point is even WITH it it still works. Moron.
Nemisis99 6 months ago
Ok now to address Mr. Nickalise fakeass wannabe chemist who obviously never read a chemistry book in his life. Quit talking about how people can't displace those metals because you CAN. This video is obvious proof of that, and obvious proof of how low your IQ is. Get your facts straight, magnesium doesn't react with water unless its boiling, and it takes fucking forever even in those conditions. Also one more post just to show how little you know about chemistry (cont)
Nemisis99 6 months ago
yellow/brown precip forming which ruined the reaction. The Zn stopped forming and pretty soon it turned to an inseperable mess. So next I will try using a lead anode like someone said you have to use. I just don't like the idea of using magnesium to precip zinc as I simply can't waste Mg for stuff like this. Its not easy to get where I live and if I was going to order powdered metals online I just get the Zn instead.
Nemisis99 6 months ago
Ok update on Al displacement of Zinc. I verified that the foil was aluminum and it was. However I DID dilute the solution with cold water to tame it a bit when it reacted and another poster said dilute ZnCl2 will not work with Al. So I'm going to try boiling it down next.
I had also tried to electrolyze it and used iron and al for my cathode/anode. At this point I got a beautiful shiny zinc precipitate however it only lasted a couple minutes. A couple minutes later I got a nasty (cont)..
Nemisis99 6 months ago
Pretty nice experiment u are demonstrating. We can see something interesting here. Something that, also, happens to me: A false logic! We would all assume that one molecule would replace the other.
Nice try though, but u’ll never get Zn, Al or Mg by ionic displacement in water.
nickalisse1 6 months ago
U’ll always end up with hydroxides, like in this case Mg(OH)2 n Zn(OH)2. What’s ur trying to do is ending up with a Lewis Acid. Just like CuCl2 is reacting with Al to get the copper back to it’s metallic form. But in this case, it won’t do the trick. Cause non of those metals Zn, Mg & Al can exist in water. They all react with water to produce Hydrogen n then forming Hydroxides, as the following reaction : Mg + 2H2O = Mg(OH)2 + 2H2 or 2Al + 6H2O = 2Al(OH)3 + 3H2 or Zn + 2H2O = Zn(OH)2 + H2.
nickalisse1 6 months ago
As my friend Moco would say : Dheeuu! We put multiple Al things in water n nothing ever happened. Thing is Al tend to react very rapidly with oxygen in air to form a thin layer of Al oxide called alumina, Al2O3. This layer is invisible n waterproof. As for ur experiment, ZnCl2 & Mg won’t react in water, cause Mg will preferably react with water before reacting with ZnCl2.
nickalisse1 6 months ago
That’s why you end up with a pale grey very light powder. Instead of a dark grey, heavy powder. Take the same volume of mechanically grind Zn n ur chemically powdered Zn. U’ll notice a difference of weight. This should be a clue, here, that shows u that there’s something wrong. ??Ceci étant dit?? U can make Zn powder from ZnCl2. U have to do a ZnCl2 electrolysis with an iron cathode an a lead anode. Then the Zn will deposit on the iron. This is not to difficult to reproduce.
nickalisse1 6 months ago
You do know that magnesium will react faster in pyrotechnics, and is significantly more expensive than zinc right?
intercipio 7 months ago
what the concentration of HCl
francmayhem 7 months ago
@francmayhem the stuff you buy from the hardware store is 31.45%, or very close to 10 molar.
spotlightman1234 7 months ago
Wow you sound young and very smart for that shit
JDMKILLER15 7 months ago
3:39 looks like it has oxidized. i doubt it will be of any use...
jeremiahswee 8 months ago
@jeremiahswee to get rid of the hydroxide, rinse it with ammonia, then rinse it with a dry solvent like acetone or absolute ethanol allow the solvent to evaporate and you'll have hydroxide free zinc powder, also it's be a good idea to ballmill the powder or grind it in a mortar and pestle before using it for best results.
spotlightman1234 7 months ago
wow so many shit you need to make i make flash powder or black powder
1smokeboy 8 months ago
@1smokeboy what?
spotlightman1234 8 months ago 2
@spotlightman1234
Alright that sounds like a good idea I will give it a shot. In terms of chemistry it seems like it should definitely work so all I probably need is a bit of acid like you said and some heat. Will let you know how it goes thank you!!
Nemisis99 8 months ago
@Poisonmilk666 Heat up a bunch of pennies with a blow torch. The zinc will melt inside the copper skin and run out. Only works with pennies '82 and up.
arnold02000 8 months ago
You know I'm pretty sure I tried displacing zinc from zinc chloride using aluminum foil instead of magnesium and it didn't work. I did it the same exact way. But apparently the layer of aluminum oxide on the foil prevents it from reacting. So naturally I scratched the surface under solution.. and still didn't work. No idea why but I could not get the zinc to displace using regular foil. Anyone know why?
Nemisis99 8 months ago
@Nemisis99 try heating it and putting a teeny tiny bit of HCl in the solution to "activate" the aluminium.
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
@spotlightman1234 are there any other metals i could use to displace the zinc powder cuz i cannot find magnesium fire starters where i live
HUsoldier171 8 months ago
@HUsoldier171 Magnesium is the highest metal on the activity series that doesn't react with water too quickly to be used. Magnesium and aluminium are the only feasible options. I'll try aluminium again and if it works i'll post an other video. Alternatively just buy zinc powder : /
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
@HUsoldier171
Well acually, aluminum works fine
Just now i tried the method, allthough it doesn´t seem to work if you dillute the ZnCl2, as soon as i did, the reaction started to wear off.
I dont think that i had any access acid when putting in the aluminium, allthough a very violent reaction occured. See to it that your foil is pure aluminium.
shmuunk 8 months ago
@shmuunk so as long as i dont dilute the zinc chloride aluminum will work and will 20 to 30% hcl work because i make my own and its in that concentration area not 31.45%
HUsoldier171 8 months ago
@HUsoldier171
Well technically that would not matter since the reaction where zink dissolves in HCl stops when all of the acid has reacted. That´s the reason why it is best to have zink in excess.
However, due to the dillute acid, your zink chloride will contain more water than if you had been using stronger acid. If the aluminum does not react with the solution of ZnCl2 then boil it down a bit or let some water evaporate.
shmuunk 8 months ago
@shmuunk thank you alot once i fix my hcl making process so its a bit stronger and are you good at chemistry in general because if i run into problems i wouldnt mind asking you because you answer very quickly im actually having a problem now with my sulfuric acid concentration
HUsoldier171 8 months ago
@HUsoldier171
Well I wouldn't say that I'm that great at chemistry allthough i try my best.
Feel free to PM me at any time! Allthough I don't think i can help you when it comes to destilling sulfuric acid..
shmuunk 8 months ago
@shmuunk is there a metal that can be put in aluminum chloride to make aluminum powder
HUsoldier171 7 months ago
@HUsoldier171
Hypothetically, magnesium would work just fine.
shmuunk 7 months ago
@Poisonmilk666 sure, if you can find an easy way to do it you can use zinc from pennies.
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
where can I find that acid? also how much was that zink "tape" you were using?
gothbro111 8 months ago
@gothbro111 You can find hydrochloric acid at most hardwares stores in the cleaner section as "muriatic acid" a gallon usually costs 6-8 dollars depending on where you live. Just be very careful and never work with it with out wearing proper gloves, wearing proper eye protection, or working with it inside (as it's very pungent and fumes). The zinc strip can be found usually with the roofing supplies, like screws, gutters and etc... It costs about 15$ a box but may be cheaper.
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
@TheLazer23 I was just kidding... although I did get some nitric acid on my hands by accident today. the stains are yellow, and manly [not]!
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
@TheLazer23 Ya I need to trim my nails more often. Perhaps treat my hands with nitric acid to give them a more rugged look? JK.
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
Can you use Aluminum instead of Mg since it's still higher than Zn on the metal reactivity? (3ZnCl2 + 2Al -- 2AlCl3 + 3Zn)
RikuElement 8 months ago
@RikuElement I have discussed this in previous comments and the general consensus is that it may work but the final product is contaminated with Al(OH)3 and aluminium bits.
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
will that work if i use pure Mg?
iliya1997 9 months ago
@iliya1997 Yes you can use pure magnesium, actually it's great to use pure magnesium.
spotlightman1234 9 months ago
@spotlightman1234 thanx
iliya1997 9 months ago
@h0meIandsecurity Oh yeah, also the only way i can make magnesium powder is by clamping a magnesium fire starter in a vice then drilling holes in it, producing rather thin magnesium shavings. Then taking an old coffee grinder and putting the magnesium shavings in it. I tape down the button of the coffee grinder and plug it in to an extension cord so i can operate it from a distance. i let it run for several minutes, giving it breaks to cool down until i have usable magnesium powder.
spotlightman1234 9 months ago
@h0meIandsecurity Aluminium won't displace magnesium from it's salts. Google activity series and you'll see what I'm talking about.
spotlightman1234 9 months ago
@h0meIandsecurity I have looked in to this before but unfortunately, the only metals that would displace magnesium from it's salts also react with water too quickly to be useful. If you were to use lithium, or any other alkali metal for that matter, the lithium would react with water too quickly to produce any magnesium, if any. also the hydroxides formed by the reacting metals with water would react with the magnesium salt and form magnesium hydroxide.
spotlightman1234 9 months ago
Lawl NurdRage steal :S
FrozenHaxor2 9 months ago
@FrozenHaxor2 send me a link to a video in which nurd rage does this.
spotlightman1234 8 months ago
Ah inspired by Nurdrage or just got into it on your own? It's good to see younger kids that actually know what they're doing! 5 stars!
Polaroidon 9 months ago
Well done. 5* this was very informative, thank you.
pogomitchell 10 months ago
can i use alluminium instead of magnesium?
ExplosiveAnyThing 10 months ago
@ExplosiveAnyThing Maybe, I haven't tried it. I suspect you'll get a product contaminated with Al(OH)3 though. To get best results with aluminium I suggest not diluting the solution and heating (but not to boiling) the solution to prevent as much formation of Al(OH)3. If you can think of a way to separate the insoluble Al(OH)3 from the zinc feel free to tell me and i'll put it in an annotation.
spotlightman1234 10 months ago
@spotlightman1234 Ok i'll post a video soon if i get some good results....
And i will try to break the oxide layer with some method.....
I'm thinking about electrolysis this probably will break the oxide layer....
ExplosiveAnyThing 10 months ago
You can also get zinc from pennies made after the 90's should be around 98%, you can get it to near 100% purity by melting, removing slag, remelting, removing slag, etc.
masyn92 10 months ago
This kid should be slapped. you add acid to water not water to acid.
ShadowFopsie 11 months ago
@ShadowFopsie I never added acid to water, If you actually watched the video ( at 2:15 ) you'd see I added water to Zinc Chloride solution, there was no acid present ! Next time watch the video before you post rude comments like that.
spotlightman1234 10 months ago 2
@ShadowFopsie dont try to pretend like you know shit about chemistry...a more experienced chemist can see right through your bullshit
jeremiahswee 9 months ago 2
@h0meIandsecurity HAHA no. Watch glases aren't from watches, they are a piece of laboratory glassware used to cover beakers and to observe the evaporation of what ever chemical you put on it. They are made of borosilicate glass and cost about 1 dollar each but can be cheaper if bought in bulk.
spotlightman1234 11 months ago
>99% zinc
<1% zinc oxide
tinycnyc 11 months ago
@tinycnyc if you washed the zinc powder with ammonia (to dissolve any Zn(OH)2 or ZnO) then rinsed it completely with some kind of dry solvent like acetone or pure ethanol you could get a product with a LOT less Zn(OH)2. I haven't had any problems with this contamination though so it's not entirely necessary.
spotlightman1234 11 months ago
Nice video! But why using some expensive magnesium to get zinc powder?
I think it whould be easier getting some zinc powder from the core of exausthed alkaline batteries. Even if there are iron impurities that is not a problem...because for our purposes you don't need a 100% pure stuff. (However even yours will have some contaminations)
PubliosValesios 11 months ago
@PubliosValesios well i have found magnesium fire starters for as low as 2 dollars so the cost is worth i to me also opening an alkaline battery is dangerous as KOH can be splattered on you or your property so i think it's worth the saved time and effort to just either buy it or make it it the process i show
spotlightman1234 11 months ago
you may be the smartest person I know.
runescape44411 11 months ago
good work
BratMichal 1 year ago
@thefireisfun123 not really as when ever aluminium is displaced from solution it tends to react with water producing aluminium hydroxide and hydrogen I have tried reacting magnesium with AlCl3 with no luck. If you ballmill aluminum foil that you quickly put in the blender for a week you'll get decent quality aluminum powder
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
is there any procedure similar to this that would result with aluminum powder?
thefireisfun123 1 year ago
@thefireisfun123 not really, aluminum forms a passivation layer that makes it invulnerable to acid
TheFyroPyro 11 months ago
@KiLLaKRaBz Actually reasonablly pure 31.45% hydrochloric acid can be obtained at any hardware store as "muriatic acid". If my mom was a chemistry teacher I wouldn't even be bothering with silly things like this :)
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
I don't know where to get hydrochloric acid. Im assuming your mom is a chemistry teacher
KiLLaKRaBz 1 year ago
Pretty Interesting. Too bad my parents wont let me play with "dangerous chemicals" or i would probably be as good as working with these kind of things as you! (btw, this is audrey) :P
SuperMiku14 1 year ago
@Madarpokd why had I not thought of that!!!! You are a genious! Thank you I might upload a diffrent version of this video that says to wash it with ethanol and to wash old batches with ammonia. Thank you. I don't think there will be much ZnO so that won't be a problem.
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
Cool video! There is one thing I am concerned with though. You said at the end of the video, that the Zn powder started to react with water. That means the end product will be contaminated by Zn(OH)2 and possibly by ZnO due to contact with air at elevated temperatures.
Madarpok 1 year ago
@Madarpok yes i have thought of that you could try to dry the product out with paper towels. that works fine for me. i haven't have a problem with the contamination. if only you could find something that would react with ZnO and Zn(OH)2 but not zinc : /
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
@spotlightman1234 Wiki says aqueous ammonia can dissolve the hydroxide, and I think it wouldn't dissolve the metal(just a guess, needs to be tested) But then you would end up with damp ammonia-smelling powder, so a wash with plenty of dry ethanol will be necessary.(again, this is an untested idea)
Madarpok 1 year ago
and all this time i thought people would take that metal to a grinder and just slowly grind it down lol, ur nuts little dude!! awesome vids :D also, can u make a how to make stink bombs vid?? =) thnx
rinolope 1 year ago
@rinolope i suppose... it wont be top priority of course as i'm working to make a video on nitric acid production. as well as making calcium nitrate.
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
Can i use aluminium instead of magnesium?
ChemistryProduction 1 year ago
@ChemistryProduction i haven't tried using aluminum very much but it might work...
with my experience you have to heat the mixture on a hot plate for a couple minutes with the aluminum in to get the reaction started. because as you know aluminum has that oxide layer and all but if you get it to work make a video response
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
shouldn't you neutralize any remaining acid before placing the magnesium? you'll loose some magnesium as chloride and hydroxide....
Also, you may try a piece of alluminium (not foil), it works for me to make copper powder from copper sulfate and just a *tiny* pinch of sodium hydroxide to remove the oxide layer.
adriiPortillo 1 year ago
@adriiPortillo there is no excess acid because the zinc has completely reacted with it over night. also if you try adding a base to the solution it will make zinc hydroxide. and i have tried adding aluminium but you have to heat the solution to get it started even then most of the aluminium reacts with the water and doesn't precipitate out zinc. so magnesium and zinc chloride is the most reliable
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
Thats why i said a "tiny" pinch... i guess it goes like this.
Al2O3 + NaOH + ZnCl ----> Al(OH)3 + NaCl + Zn
not balanced. Then the Al does the reduction as magnesium, a tiny pinch gets consumed as Al(OH)3,
BTW what do you mean with "alluminium reacts with the water" ??!?
adriiPortillo 1 year ago
@adriiPortillo aluminium does not normally react with water because there is an extremely thin oxide layer preventing it from reacting but when this layer is stripped it can react with water 2Al + 6H2O = 2Al(OH)3 + 3H2. chloride ions can attack this layer and expose the pure aluminium. but when pure aluminium is exposed to air with in seconds the layer is instantly formed again.this is why when aluminium is placed in copper chloride it forms hydrogen.
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
I alredy know about the oxide layer, thats why my equaiton started wit Al2O3, but i really dont think your chloride theory is rigth, you can boil a NaCl solution in a Al pot without it dissolving, but boiling NaClO does destroy an Al Pan.... also, i have seen molten alluminium being frozen down with water, you cant do that with magnesium, but it can be done with alluminium.
adriiPortillo 1 year ago
@adriiPortillo Of course NaCl wont react with Aluminium or Magnesium. The whole reason the reactions in the video work is because both Aluminium and Magnesium are above Zinc in the activity series so they will replace it in most of Zinc's ionic compounds. Sodium is above Magnesium and Aluminium so they wont react. Also it can be pretty risky pouring molten aluminium in to water because there is a chance of pure aluminium contacting water though it only really is bad if you... continued
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
@adriiPortillo ... pour molten Aluminium in to a mold that has a little water in it. Also trying to melt Magnesium is pretty extreme! Do you work in a place where they have inert gas sheilding for casting molten Magnesium to keep it from catching on fire?
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
wow good job!
jerrydff7 1 year ago
@jerrydff7 thank you and everyone else for your nice comments i'll be updating this video replacing magnesium with aluminum foil!
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
cool video
mewrox99 1 year ago
Thank you for your video !!
transslucide 1 year ago
@transslucide no problem im guessing that you have been looking for a way to make zinc powder for a long time
spotlightman1234 1 year ago
Great presentation!
ytmachx 1 year ago