Burress Arrest Ignites Gun Debate

[demmylowther]

Burress probably has lost his right to own guns now.Felonies if I'm not mistaken is an automatic loss of gun ownership.The one thing I don't like is how black people always defend eachother even when they are blatantly wrong.This gunshop owner/retired NFL player states Burress made an unfortunate mistake.That is BULL.A mistake is concidered to be an accident.Something you didn't mean to do.Drunk driving is not a mistake.You knowingly disregarded the law.To me,that IS NOT considered a mistake

[wmtipton]

Get a life and wash that crap off your face.

[stopglobalswarming]

Gun control is hitting where you aim. Birthmark Brady believes in Gun Confiscation. He should be duct taped to a telephone pole in Compton. PS Don't pocket carry a Glock Fo Tay, esp chambered!

[stopglobalswarming]

Quit selling guns to negros. There is a sensible law. 

[pjicleanair420]

why are the using a guy with a head the shape of a beer keg and a shit stain on his face to make a point? Are they hoping for sympathy votes?? brady terrorists need to be eradicated

[pjicleanair420]

Newyork california mass, illinois are not part of the united states of america, they are communist territories...NRA FOR LIFE LIBERAL SCUM

[redskins1111]

New York has ridiculous laws; if Plaxico Burress would have been in Vermont, Alaska or even Arizona now he would not have been charged at all. My state would have been a misdamenar; NRA Please support him!!!

[nolaOE800]

the gun would NOT have discharged if the user didn't fool with it.

for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction - simple and well known physics...

guns don't just "go off"

imagine if people at Virginia Tech were allowed to carry concealed weapons...

how many lives would have been saved if someone was there to stop it?

[JRserver]

@nolaOE800 "imagine if people at Virginia Tech were allowed to carry concealed weapons...

how many lives would have been saved if someone was there to stop it?"

And how much more bloodshed could there have been just from friendly fire?

[too408]

@JRserver actually, at the appalachian school of law, two armed students were able to help subdue a shooter until police arrived. three deaths and three wounded compared to about 30 at VT.

[JRserver]

@too408 And at the shooting in Tuscon, a gentlemen with a CCW permit pulled out his sidearm, pinned a guy whom he thought was the shooter to the wall, and by his own admission was ready to kill him until the people around him pointed out that he was the bystander who disarmed the actual shooter.

Point being that the outcome of unorganized civilians with firearms in public is, at best, a fifty-fifty proposition. It's either gonna be very right or very wrong; not very reassuring odds, imo.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

Did the CCW carrier shoot the wrong man? I guess it's not a problem then. Would you rather have a 0% chance of survival or a 50% chance?

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Well, if the only thing that kept him from shooting the wrong man was the bystanders stopping him in time, and if, by his own admission, the CCW holder was "ready to kill him", then it's quite a big problem, because it demonstrates the fundamental problem with CCW in action - the fact that it becomes dramatically more difficult to tell the shooter from other armed civilians.

I'd rather try to flee a one-sided shooting than be caught in the middle of a two-way gunfight.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Well, if the only thing that kept him from shooting the wrong man was the bystanders stopping him in time, and if, by his own admission, the CCW holder was "ready to kill him", then it's quite a big problem, because it demonstrates the fundamental problem with CCW in action - the fact that it becomes dramatically more difficult to tell the shooter from other armed civilians.

I'd rather try to flee a one-sided shooting than be caught in the middle of a two-way gunfight.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

So you would rather be dead that have a chance at life. Go see the story on Dr. Suzana Hupp.

OCTnRlUE1SM

That CCW holder was READYto kill but obviously didn't.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid You're avoiding the point, bro. He obviously didn't only becuase there were people who saw what he was doing who were able to stop him in time, which I would say was damn lucky. Imagine if they'd been a split second slower than they were. What if he'd been twenty feet away and saw the guy and decided to start blasting off?

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

The point is he didn't shoot anyone. In fact, he never even drew his weapon. What is he was 20 feet away? Maybe there would have been fewer dead. Unless you were there and saw exactly where everyone was, you will never know. But I would rather have that 50% chance of survival than be 100% dead.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Never even drew his weapon?! The guy said on national television that he pinned the guy with the gun to the wall, pulled out his sidearm, and was a split second away from killing him until the people who pinned the real gunmen to the ground stopped him. Hence, my point.

And the point about him being 20 feet away is to illustrate that there might not have been anyone to stop him from shooting the wrong guy, in that case.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

He never drew his weapon.

ht tp: //foxnewsinsider com/2011/01/10/one-of-the-men-­who-subdued-loughner-had-a-gun­-and-he-was-ready-to-use-it/

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Your link isn't working, but that's beside the point, since he did draw his weapon.



[RetSquid]

@JRserver

Strange...oh well go to  ht tp: //1withabullet wordpress com/2011/01/10/concealed-carry­-permit-holder-helped-subdue-g­iffords-shooter/ Watch the video, read the story.

He did NOT draw his weapon.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid That one also keeps say "Internet explorer cannot display page", but it's once again beside the point, since the guy himself SAID he took the safety off, had his hand on the gun, and drew his weapon.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

No, he said that he NEVER drew his weapon..it never left his pocket. Go find the interview yourself, unless you are just being willfully blind.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid I found the interview in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, and he makes it VERY clear that the guy he had the guy with the gun pinned to the wall, his sidearm drawn and the safety off.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

No, it was the shooter's gun he was talking about at that time. He said he never drew his gun, it never left his jacket pocket.

Either way he didn't shoot anyone.

If a student at VA tech had a gun, do you think he could have executed all 33 people?  Would you had wished you had a gun if you were in one of those classes?

[JRserver]

@RetSquid So, this guy pinned the wrong guy with the gun in his hand to the wall without so much as pulling his gun out of his pocket? That's A LOT to buy.

When you have a student body in the thousands and a school shooting occurs, and the several dozen students with CCW permits pull their sidearms, it's probably safe to assume that they're going to shoot at the first person they see with a gun on them, rather than politely ask him if he's the shooter.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

He saw the slide was locked back, the gun was no longer a threat. How could he pin him down with only one hand? The gun was in an inside jacket pocket, unless he was upside down, it wouldn't have fallen out.

So everyone with a gun is a complete moron to you? To get a CCW you have to be 21 in most States and have training. There are hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses every year in the U.S. that don't end up with someone getting shot.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

Here's yet ANOTHER video saying he never drew his weapon.

rZ46P_XwJGw and it's even on here so you can't say the link doesn't work.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Still not working, I suspect because YouTube does allow you to post links in the comments section. Either way, it's irrelevant. He said himself he drew his weapon.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

Now you're just plain old lying..that is a YouTube video, not a link, do a search for it.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Then the guy's changing his story, since he came right out and said he took the safety off his gun and had it drawn.

BTW, aren't you overlooking something here - specifically that, according to this version of events you're touting, he disarmed an armed man (the wrong man, but an armed one, nonetheless) and did so without pulling a gun, as did, btw the guys who pinned down the actual shooter.

Sounds to me like fifty unarmed people vs one armed man are pretty good odds.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

No, he NEVER said that he drew it. If 50:1 is good odds, why did 33 die at VA tech? Is 33:1 bad odds? He never pulled his gun because he saw the 'shooter' was not a threat, the gun was empty, the slide was locked back.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

Show where he said he drew his gun.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Sent it to you in a PM.

[RetSquid]

@JRserver

From your link: "I had my hand on the butt of my gun." and "I put my hand on my gun and ran out." He NEVER SAYS HE DREW HIS WEAPON.

[JRserver]

@RetSquid Check out Geraldo Rivera and Ed Scultz interviews with the guy. Point being, he drew his gun. And point being, you haven't addressed my other point about how easily unarmed people stopped the actual shooter.

In any case, you're proving to me something I've been suspecting for a while now - that gun rights advocates will not give an inch on their position on guns short of a massive amount of bloodshed at the hands of a "good guy" packing heat.

[paytonsaints]

amazing the guy with the birthmark states it shows the risks of carrying a concealed weapon, he doesnt go over the possibly hundreds of lives it saves each year. Fact is PlexiGlass is an idiot, but he was more a victim by a crazy left wing anti gun nut than anything, punishment yea, but 2 years thats just stupid.

[joelaroint1]

If guns are to blame, then it's my cars fault if I hit somebody!!!! Blaming guns is about as stupid as getting mad at a mirror for what it shows you, or taxing people for carbon dioxide(every person on the planet without exception exhales it and plants THRIVE on it) or outlawing a plant that was here before any of us and GOD put here!!

[Archist20]

Jaw Williams is the man, now you can see what jokes run the brady campaign. Some guy with a over size head with a birth mark. Also can kick a field goal threw his teeth.

[pjicleanair420]

moral of the story is that plaxico had no business having a gun due to his inexperience,, he isnothing more then a liability to others and obviously himself. Majority of those who want gun control and want to take away my rights also have no business around a gun..and they hate what they dont understand, nothing more then a racist

[TrackRunnaBeatBoi]

This is bull, I've been collecting and shooting guns for 10 years. These people will use anything to try and take away our right to bare arms.

[stopglobalswarming]

@TrackRunnaBeatBoi The NFL guy should have read up on that glock hair trigger.

[IXICooperIXI]

look at the freak

[gusphraba]

Look at the bigot.

[nahmonky12]

As a Giant fan I agree with suspending him for the remainder of the season. But what I do not wanna see is Plaxico gone forever. Look at what hes done. The NFC Championship game, Green Bay couldnt cover him. And oh yeah, he caught the game winning catch in the Superbowl. But, if stupid things keep happening, suspend him. Watch him in the off season. If he does stupid things, they accumulate into game suspensions. I like Plax, but the dudes gotta get his stuff together.

[rhacem3]

wtf was on the brady campaign dude's face?

[e77alex77e]

super aids

[tomblue12sbc]

It looks like a Port Wine Stain.....it's a vascular birthmark.....

[starfireucsd]

stupid fucker...

[Namari12]

What the hell do so many NFL players need with firearms?

[leereyno]

What the hell do you need with freedom of speech? Or freedom of religion? Freedom of assembly, you don't need that one do you? Why would you need to assemble? What makes you so important that your opinion is worthy of being heard?

The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental human right. If you don't agree with this, then I suggest you emigrate to a nation where human rights aren't recognized. There are many to choose from.

[BVargas78]

yet i can see the arguments on both sides, in principle at least i like the idea of the right to bear arms, its democratic in essence and made to empower people against oppression. But in practice it does cause a lot of grief and i'm somewhat relieved firearms are not widespread in the UK or we'd be seeing much more frequent shootings.

[ThePhalseProfit]

I was ready to make the definitive statement..then saw that AirPhforce already did.

There is no debate. He's an idiot.

He was carrying the gun illegally and obviously didn't know how to use it.

Obviously those strict gun control laws in NYC are working...lol

I live in a right-to-carry state.

So does my father, my brother, my sister,and my brother-in-law.

We all carry guns daily,.legally.

We know how to use them.

And we have never shot anyone, much less ourselves.

[thepoetical]

amen to that brother, i've got a glock 45 on my hip now. the gun grabbers will use any stupid idiots situation to fuel their crap. i think we should all stop driving because people get killed in them. duh!

[AirPhforce]

hamburglerz77

There is no Gun Debate here. He is just stupid.

This, one thousand times this.

[TraderNorton]

Would'nt it be wonderful if all negros shot themselves?

It sure would save the Klan alot of trouble.

[jasonthomaslaxdal333]

Ha, B'Bye! if he were up here, it don't matter;

you rich, so? go to jail, an athelete? good for you, go to jail. Your team Needs You? Oops! Your goin to jail. Also if he was CFL he couldn't aford a gun

[nyplowboy1]

He was in USA and US Constitution rules.

Right to keep and bear arms.

He should be charged with illegal discharge within city limits.

The firearm possession charge(s) should be dropped.

[Celticsfan2346]

y the fuck is that guys face purple

[dabigez357]

this is so stupid i'm tired about hearing about the gun "permits"the"law" is the second amendment,and its our right to have it until some idiot does something stupid!so take his right away if he does something stupid again but,don't try and use this for gun reform BULLSHIT!because of stupid or crazy people,we all know where gun reform will get us!one step closer to nazi germany! never believe the B.S.the gov and media spit out on reasons why banning guns is a good thing,peace til the revolution

[cdltpx]

Don't chamber a round unless you feel a threat was eminent. I even learned to chamber a round one handed either hand. I no longer carry unless hurricane or heading to the city in the dark. I want to carry the weapon everywhere but the law doesn't allow it you can get 5 years federal just for not permitted to carry. If the poice find you are legal to carry they freak when they learn this I had them surround my house a false accuser filed charges I came home and the neighbors said swat was there.

[sabsantantore]

/watch?v=pj4yUpR1PB0

[sabsantantore]

it happends it was just an accident, theres a video of a DEA agent that shots him self in the leg infront of a class room full of kids and I dont think nothing happend to him,

[hamburglerz77]

There is no Gun Debate here. He is just stupid.

[Fastgt2003]

lol theres a thing called trigger safe

[cletusbojangles187]

who puts a gun in their sweat pants anyway? fucking idiot

[Fastgt2003]

Drug dealers?????

[Roney408]

Idiots????

[upabittoolate]

he was wearing sweatpants in a nightclub? are you sure of that?

[Bertdog1138]

hahaha yea I would think he'd be wearing something more formal

[upabittoolate]

same here. i guess he was somewhere that had no dress code. i hate dress codes but i think they deter fights & a certain element. somehow, nfl players seem to be getting dumber every year