@ReignbowSmite that has nothing to do with this video , plz stay on subject
using ur words
but even so , i will play , evolution is wrong , for example as u say 99% (nice number u put there ) give ''proof'' that a fish in dark caves lost it sight and all its eggs hatch into sightless fish , but what proof do u have that it was not blind from the start ? none
it cant be Fact if it has even 1% chance of being wrong
@Ezldor how do you explain the fact that in australia there are animals that do not exist in any other part of the world ecept in zoos.and hoe the hell did they get back to australia when noah cut them lose...you know what they were storys for sheep herders and ignorant dark age human beings.
@MrEnlightenup major tectonic upheavals happen all the time , land sinks , other rise , its not surprising , that they migrated , but Why that animal is only there ? it could be that its the only place it only still survived
@Ezldor well how about,rain water mixing with salt water since you were their on this ark you can tell the whole world what happen..and the water,where did it go.if the water hit the top of the highest mountain,then their was no air at the top,of the mountain,you think they had air tanks with air back then before the dark ages.
@Ezldor you need help with your reality if you think for one momment the fantasy story of the ark is true.the air is to thin up their for anything to survive,do a little research into your realm of reality.
@Ezldor WELL ALL I CAN TELL YOU IF THE ARK WAS REAL AND NOAH STARTED TO BUILD IT WHEN HE WAS 500 YEARS OLD AND LIVED TO BE ALMOST 1000 YEARS OLD AND BUILD THE ARK WITH TAR AND LUMBER WOW,AND HE HAD AIR TANKS FOR ALL THE ANIMALS AND ALL DIFF SIZE AIR MASK,HE WAS WAY AHEAD OF OUR TIMES.MY ONLY PROBLEM IS DID THE DINOSAURS THAT WERE ON THE ARK HAVE ROOM..WHAT A GREAT FANTASY STORY,BUT I THINK HARRY POTTER IS BETTER FOR KIDS NO SEX IN IT
@ReignbowSmite science when it comes to the creating is based on theories , none of them are facts , u cant prove something happened million of years ago, unless if its said by its creator
i will be talking out of the Quran , if u dont want that , do your self a favour , and dont reply
@ReignbowSmite i thought i read argue , guess i was mistaken
no evidence ? will i guess a huge explosion happening million of years ago , or two atoms hitting each other and creating a dinosaur is a ''bigger'' evidence for u , but thats another story
in ur case , it will be arguing since u already decided everyone beside u is wrong and ur the only one who is right ( u could say the same about me )
spamming ? : to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately .... i dont think i did that O.o
@ReignbowSmite That's exactly the point that I'm making. They DID have a built in moral compass that allowed them to decide that death is not good prior to eating the fruit. The reason that they did is because they were ALREADY in the image and likeness of God. The serpent LIED to them and told them that the fruit would make them wise and it didn't. The only thing it did was darken the image of God in them and make them LESS like God.
@ReignbowSmite Lilith does not appear in the Genesis version of the creation narratives. The narrative is clear that the reason that Adam and Eve did not eat the fruit was a result of God telling them they would die if they did. They, Adam and Eve, decided that death was not good and chose not to eat the fruit. That's a moral decision and it was made prior to them eating the fruit.
@Ezldor Lilith appears in an extra-canonical text as the first wife of Adam. She eventually becomes a demon after sleeping with an angel and is kicked out of Eden. As a consolation, Adam is given Eve from his rib.
@Ezldor I don't hold a belief in Lilith as the first wife of Adam or any such thing. It's in an extra-biblical account of creation. Light and fire are inseparable terms in the ancient world as it was the only source of light that man could imagine since it was the only form of light that he himself could create. This is where we get the idea of God being "the Light" in the first place. God is dangerous because He both illumines and burns.
@ReignbowSmite another concept u can dwell on , is , God created light , absense of that light is darkness
same thing goes for goodness , absence of it is evilness etc
seeing some one who I think is wrong ( notice the capital i ) and had to make my point
it was not a tree of knowledge of evil etc ..... it was a tree , normal tree ( normal tree in heaven that is ) that God said u cant touch , but All of heaven is open for u
2) that fruit has nothing to do with knowledge, they were taught all the names ( ie everything ) when they were created
3) dont believe in a book that is not mine
that tree u thinking about is just a tree, the idea was, Heaven was open for them to do everything they wanted Except for one measly tree, but they ate its fruit any way
If they did not know it was wrong then it would have been a sin right?
Note: i am defending God, not Christianity ( not that he need it )
"Heaven was open for them to do everything they wanted Except for one measly tree"
So why put that tree in there anyway? Why be pissed off when they eat from the tree anyway, since they didn't know good from evil anyway? God should just have admitted he was being a total jackass and should have forgiven them right away.
The story doesn't make any sense. None of Christianity does, actually.
@MomoTheBellyDancer agreed , christianity does not make sense , but the story of adam and eve does
when they were created , God taught them everything they knew right from wrong , and he open Heaven for them to enjoy , and he gave them one single rule Dont eat from that tree , but they did and thus , they were cast out of heaven , God is fare , he wont punish some one who does not know
"God is fare , he wont punish some one who does not know "
No, the God from the Bible is an idiot, and he keeps punishing his creation for his own mistakes. Worse, he thinks he can fix his mistakes by offering himself to himself to change a rule he made ... himself! What a douche.
@ReignbowSmite 1) god did not create adam and eve in his image , thats retarded
2) they know good and evil , but they sinned , just like any other human
3) he created a balance, there is heaven and hell , light and darkness , goodness and evilness etc
they knew it was wrong but they did it anyway
do u know the concept of the fortunate fall ? if adam and eve did not sin , and were cast down from heaven , all human race would not have been created
@Ezldor "dont need to explain a book i dont believe in" I'm not asking you to explain the book. I'm asking you how you came to the conclusion that Genesis does not support the idea that man was created in God's image when the creation narratives tell us that He did and, furthermore, that this understanding is invaluable in understanding the second creation narrative.
@ReignbowSmite #3 Adam and Eve were smart enough to know that they didn't want to eat the fruit when they thought it would kill them. It's only after they were told that they would become gods that they decided eating the fruit was desirable. In other words, they were making moral discernment prior to eating the fruit.
@ReignbowSmite #1 For the purpose of narrative development. God was not afraid that they would become like Him. What the story conveys in a simple to understand way is the ultimate consequence of grasping at things which one ought to mature to.
#2 These questions are assuming a polytheistic moral paradigm where good/evil are woven into the fabric of metaphysical reality. This is not the morality of the Bible. There is no such thing an act that is good or evil "just because."
God doesn't create them dumb in the narrative. He creates them in His likeness and they don't eat the fruit in pursuit of knowledge, the fruit does not offer them that anyway. They only eat the fruit when they are told by the serpent that it will make them "like gods" and we know that the serpent was lying because God had already made them in His image. Their sin wasn't disobedience to rules or God's jealousy, it was idolatry.
Hahaha. Nice video young man. I literally laughed out loud when you said "Now we have xboxes and playstations". I'm going to check a few more and see if I'd like to subscribe.
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According to Genesis, it wasn't Satan who conned Eve, it was "God's most cunning creature" - a serpent. And as punishment, biblegod condemned all snakes for the action of one ordinary talking snake.
My hypothesis for the Abrahamic faiths promoting the story is straight forward - convince someone that knowledge and thinking is punishable with eternal punishment...and you got yourself a slave.
@TheHigherVoltage Couldn't agree more. Most bible belters seem to me like they are brainwashed when most of what they say makes no logical sense and they ignore their own teachings.
Yep. Christians are quick enough to embrace all this "sinful" technology - like the internet.
This brought up an interesting thought in my mind. If Adam and Eve were not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then they could not have known the difference between the two. Therefore they could not know that eating the fruit was evil. Punishing them (and all mankind) for that would be like punishing a child who has never been tought right from wrong. Yet another contradiction.
Well, in all fairness, the tree of knowledge only gave knowledge of good and evil. It didn't mean humans were supposed to be completely stupid. However, what it means is that before eating the apple, humans lacked moral reasoning and could not discern right from wrong. Yaweh is thus holding humanity responsible for making a decision that we at the time weren't even capable of making. By our own legal standard in the US, we could not be held accountable. Way to go, Yaweh.
Overall, the Fall of Man and Lucifer's evil influence is part of God's eternal plan for mankind. You see, He wanted us to have an inherent guilt complex.
Funny how Christians call Satan a liar (ignoring the Old Testament never once stated Satan was the serpent) when God admitted that Satan was right about Adam and Eve becoming like God knowing good and evil. Seems like morality makes you like a god. There's 6+ billion of us gods XD.
So God knows everything? So he knew that his creation would disobey him, eat the apple and enslave mankind forever. What a bastard he must have been. Wait, God is love so this story can't be true. Obviously God is a construct of a bunch of crazy middle eastern shepherds. If a God does exist then we have never seen him. Conclusion; wake up to reality.
@mistWalker66 - Amazingly well put. I am so ashamed to have believed this story for so long. I have broken free, & happier in doing so. You must be good at aesops fables.
@GileadKid - Thanks. I was a raised to be a Jehovahs Witness from birth. I was baptized in that faith at 16. By 28 I was disfellowshipped. That was my time to start thinking. Youtube has been a huge help, as 3 years ago I was actually defending JW's. Now I speak out against them, and Christianity.
The angels were placed at the gates of the garden of Eden to prevent Adam and Eve from eating from the tree of life which was in the garden. Soooooo what is REALLY disturbing is why didn't he put angels to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the first place if it wasn't a set up from the start? God of the Bible is an evil sadist.
I have mixed feelings about pointing technology as proof of the desirability of knowledge. I think our technology is both a good and a bad thing because we're using it irrationally, always producing more (because growth for growth's sake is supposed to be a desirable thing), creating enormous wealth while only getting crumbs of it (while most of it goes straight into the pockets of those who don't need it), and staying the course towards exhaustion of world natural ressources.
5:22 loincloth? That's too much dude. They used leafs to cover their privates back then, loincloth is also a product of wisdom and advancement. You overestimate them.
I've always had this suspicion that christians got it all wrong, that Satan is in fact the good guy in these old myths and Gawd just the one with the better PR apparatus.
the thing we should be concerned about is why this so called god didnt want his creations to be smart , infact he punished them for wanting knowledge , the way i see it , the god everyone worships is satan , after all he sacraficed his son.
And dont forget these god worshipers eat jesuses flesh and drink his blood in a cracker and wine ritual.. and they worship a man being tortured on a cross , am i the only one that finds this disturbing
@BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS Or better yet, why even give them a choice and command that he knew they weren't gonna follow, knowing the consequences for humanity? Why not intervene when the snake tried to deceive? them
@petion2010 I like the story of there was 2 lots of Adam`s and eve`s , the first lot didnt like being slaves to their creators and left , so they made a second batch(from adams rib bone, aka dna) and this time they made them dumbed down so they wouldnt leave , so the first ones came back to rescue them , and they were considered the snake ( the son`s of serpents), so the story is of the 1st Adam&eves (the snake) offering the 2nd lot wisdom, aka :wake them up with the truth about their creation
@BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS you know whats more disturbing,their are two storys of creation,with dif,beginings and ends,their were two trees 1 tree of good and evil and one the tree of life that he did not let them get next to it,their are also 2 storys of the ark.i mean pick your story what ever you can make a religion out of..the kicker is christianity is not origional,the bible was copy from pagan myths and other religions ..fact
@MrEnlightenup yer i agree . just got to look at the 2 pagen religions b4 jesus , infact lets have a look at people born on the 25th.
jesus , budha ,horus, Beddou, Quetzalcoatl, Attis, Tammuz, Mithra, Dionysus, Krishna, Attis, and the romans worshipped Saturnalia on this day , so this is truely an evil day..
I could go on all day , im not sure why religous people dont do any study to find out about all of this , i guess there brainwashed .
Just taking a break from finishing up an Eden video myself right now. I'll post it as a response in the next day or two. It was great to hear another slant. Brilliant stuff! Now if you don't mind, I have to get back to procrastinating. ;¬)
There's one slight problem with your exposition. The "tree" you're referring to is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" rather than just the "tree of knowledge". So the whole dummy thing is a bit of a strawman.
The point is fruit roll ups are the devils candy all rolled up in one cavity filled delight. Proving that the devil was originally a dentist. Can there be any other interpretation?
mankind and womankind gained fruit of knowledge to know as god knows and were kicked out of the animal kingdom aka evolved. that is what the hebrew says.
Apparently, Gawd asked your same question of all mothers of "handicapable" children I've ever met and they went back to the Garden! Otherwise, there would be at least 5 posts by now insisting that dumbies have nothing in common with Down Syndrome suffers (Gawd's Hissyfits others might say).
Alright, I'm gonna go there: do you think perhaps Gawd was so angry because Gawd DID in fact make us in his own image...as r-words??????????????
"Gods" a prick. I'd design a special pill that would wake me up from being a dummy tell the evil prick yes to get behind enemy lines and help to take his ass down. The Trojan horse is a good war strategy. ^___^ I'd also recruit some angels because a good take over requires good spies and double agents. ^___^
The serpent isn't the devil. This is a friendly talking snake who knows what's what and yes, he's just helping us out. The part about "enmity with your seed" and "he shall bruise your head" is almost surely just commentary on how people feel about snakes. I don't see the need to read any deeper theological meanings into the serpent/snake.
@Ermac514 True enough, there's nothing in Genesis (or anywhere in the Christian scriptures) that say the snake is even a "satan." In fact, in order to make that assertion, most apologists attempt to use something from Revelations where the author calls the satan in that book an "old snake."
@ThePrinceOfMillAve Right. I agree that there's something in Revelations that supports the idea and that that's about it as far as scriptural support goes. Interestingly the book of Revelations is not included in all Christian Bibles. I'm not sure what the sect by sect breakdown is, but even if you do come from a tradition that accepts Revelations, consider also the incredible gap of years between authorship of the Garden story and Revelations. No problem if God's the author though, right?
@Ermac514 To me, the fundamental takeaway from this is that even scriptural religions eventually divorce themselves culturally and mythologically from their textual source as the mythology expands. Contemporary Christian mythology between different sects inflates huge stories out of individual lines in the text and sometimes ignores the text entirely in order to spin new narratives. While different practitioners have the same core text -- sometimes they have totally different conceptions.
@ThePrinceOfMillAve Hmm, I wish I could word my comments so eloquently. It took me like 15 minutes worth of writing, and rewriting sentence structures just to post this short little comment. And I'm still somewhat sad hurt with the way the comment sound not come off too smart good.
@OGjimbo *blush* Well, I'm both an anthropologist AND a fiction novelist -- both jobs which eventually cause a person to start writing this way by themselves; put them both together, and, well, eventually we rise to such a level of eloquence as to become incomprehensible. (Not kidding: Read an anthropology paper in a peer reviewed journal sometime, *I* cannot read some of those without a lexicon and a bottle of oxycodone.)
The thing that really pisses me off, is everyone is going to hell, because Adam and Eve ate the magical McIntosh, and gave into the dreadful temptation to test their curiosity. God sure is a colossal phallus.
Don't talk to snakes? God is mean to the point of evil? That's pretty much the shit I took away from that story. I also love to smoke that tree! That tree, and its knowledge, were worth giving up heaven.
check out how adam and eve had sex with satan and it was not just fruit at new revelation books dot com
edc5954 5 months ago
I'm all for ripping on the bible, but it's the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not the tree of general knowledge.
logicked 5 months ago
@ReignbowSmite that has nothing to do with this video , plz stay on subject
using ur words
but even so , i will play , evolution is wrong , for example as u say 99% (nice number u put there ) give ''proof'' that a fish in dark caves lost it sight and all its eggs hatch into sightless fish , but what proof do u have that it was not blind from the start ? none
it cant be Fact if it has even 1% chance of being wrong
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor how do you explain the fact that in australia there are animals that do not exist in any other part of the world ecept in zoos.and hoe the hell did they get back to australia when noah cut them lose...you know what they were storys for sheep herders and ignorant dark age human beings.
MrEnlightenup 6 months ago
@MrEnlightenup major tectonic upheavals happen all the time , land sinks , other rise , its not surprising , that they migrated , but Why that animal is only there ? it could be that its the only place it only still survived
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor well how about,rain water mixing with salt water since you were their on this ark you can tell the whole world what happen..and the water,where did it go.if the water hit the top of the highest mountain,then their was no air at the top,of the mountain,you think they had air tanks with air back then before the dark ages.
MrEnlightenup 6 months ago
@MrEnlightenup highest mountain in the world is mount everest , and u still can breathe there , hard , but u can
a little bit of research wont hurt you
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor wait.. im confused. you actually believe noahs ark-story is possible..?
OmfgItsHenu 6 months ago
@Ezldor you need help with your reality if you think for one momment the fantasy story of the ark is true.the air is to thin up their for anything to survive,do a little research into your realm of reality.
MrEnlightenup 6 months ago
@MrEnlightenup all u have to do is google it , or is that too hard for u ?
google : can u breathe at the top of mount everest
cant be more simple than that , or do u want me to send u a direct link ?
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor WELL ALL I CAN TELL YOU IF THE ARK WAS REAL AND NOAH STARTED TO BUILD IT WHEN HE WAS 500 YEARS OLD AND LIVED TO BE ALMOST 1000 YEARS OLD AND BUILD THE ARK WITH TAR AND LUMBER WOW,AND HE HAD AIR TANKS FOR ALL THE ANIMALS AND ALL DIFF SIZE AIR MASK,HE WAS WAY AHEAD OF OUR TIMES.MY ONLY PROBLEM IS DID THE DINOSAURS THAT WERE ON THE ARK HAVE ROOM..WHAT A GREAT FANTASY STORY,BUT I THINK HARRY POTTER IS BETTER FOR KIDS NO SEX IN IT
MrEnlightenup 6 months ago
@MrEnlightenup i think u forgot the caps on
try again
Ezldor 6 months ago
Great video!
TheLawlbringer 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite science when it comes to the creating is based on theories , none of them are facts , u cant prove something happened million of years ago, unless if its said by its creator
i will be talking out of the Quran , if u dont want that , do your self a favour , and dont reply
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite well , u wanted evidence, and i gave u one
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite will i did give u a reference about the current subject , did u bother reading it ?
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite i thought i read argue , guess i was mistaken
no evidence ? will i guess a huge explosion happening million of years ago , or two atoms hitting each other and creating a dinosaur is a ''bigger'' evidence for u , but thats another story
in ur case , it will be arguing since u already decided everyone beside u is wrong and ur the only one who is right ( u could say the same about me )
spamming ? : to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately .... i dont think i did that O.o
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite Well ofcourse , you hold the ultimate truth
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite arguing is never a good thing , since there wont be good from it , it was not my intention to do that , was that yours ?
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite there is only one , torah , is the same as the bible , and the quran , first 2 were changed , quran survived
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite never claimed i know everything about it , the basics ? yes
i also know the truth
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite i know the bible , and yet again i am defending the true image of adam and eve , as of the reference i just sent u
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite you want reference ? here u go surah al-Baqara (2):30-39
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite That's exactly the point that I'm making. They DID have a built in moral compass that allowed them to decide that death is not good prior to eating the fruit. The reason that they did is because they were ALREADY in the image and likeness of God. The serpent LIED to them and told them that the fruit would make them wise and it didn't. The only thing it did was darken the image of God in them and make them LESS like God.
gambleor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite Lilith does not appear in the Genesis version of the creation narratives. The narrative is clear that the reason that Adam and Eve did not eat the fruit was a result of God telling them they would die if they did. They, Adam and Eve, decided that death was not good and chose not to eat the fruit. That's a moral decision and it was made prior to them eating the fruit.
gambleor 6 months ago
@gambleor who the fuck is Lilith ? O.o
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor Lilith appears in an extra-canonical text as the first wife of Adam. She eventually becomes a demon after sleeping with an angel and is kicked out of Eden. As a consolation, Adam is given Eve from his rib.
gambleor 6 months ago
@gambleor thats just stupid , coz angles dont know sin , they are the purist forms of light and creation , ur image of them is highly corrupted
adam only had one wife , eve
u cant be born from mud then turn to fire , or light then turn into fire ( the idea that satan was an angle ) , alchemy is not real O.o
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor I don't hold a belief in Lilith as the first wife of Adam or any such thing. It's in an extra-biblical account of creation. Light and fire are inseparable terms in the ancient world as it was the only source of light that man could imagine since it was the only form of light that he himself could create. This is where we get the idea of God being "the Light" in the first place. God is dangerous because He both illumines and burns.
gambleor 6 months ago
@gambleor well in a sense yes , he is the light in showing us the right way , and he also burns those who go against him
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite another concept u can dwell on , is , God created light , absense of that light is darkness
same thing goes for goodness , absence of it is evilness etc
seeing some one who I think is wrong ( notice the capital i ) and had to make my point
it was not a tree of knowledge of evil etc ..... it was a tree , normal tree ( normal tree in heaven that is ) that God said u cant touch , but All of heaven is open for u
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite not this book , but against atheist
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite 1) okay ?
2) that fruit has nothing to do with knowledge, they were taught all the names ( ie everything ) when they were created
3) dont believe in a book that is not mine
that tree u thinking about is just a tree, the idea was, Heaven was open for them to do everything they wanted Except for one measly tree, but they ate its fruit any way
If they did not know it was wrong then it would have been a sin right?
Note: i am defending God, not Christianity ( not that he need it )
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor
"Heaven was open for them to do everything they wanted Except for one measly tree"
So why put that tree in there anyway? Why be pissed off when they eat from the tree anyway, since they didn't know good from evil anyway? God should just have admitted he was being a total jackass and should have forgiven them right away.
The story doesn't make any sense. None of Christianity does, actually.
MomoTheBellyDancer 6 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer agreed , christianity does not make sense , but the story of adam and eve does
when they were created , God taught them everything they knew right from wrong , and he open Heaven for them to enjoy , and he gave them one single rule Dont eat from that tree , but they did and thus , they were cast out of heaven , God is fare , he wont punish some one who does not know
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor
"God is fare , he wont punish some one who does not know "
No, the God from the Bible is an idiot, and he keeps punishing his creation for his own mistakes. Worse, he thinks he can fix his mistakes by offering himself to himself to change a rule he made ... himself! What a douche.
MomoTheBellyDancer 6 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer lol
Ezldor 6 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer true , the christian god , is ''faulty''
Ezldor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite 1) god did not create adam and eve in his image , thats retarded
2) they know good and evil , but they sinned , just like any other human
3) he created a balance, there is heaven and hell , light and darkness , goodness and evilness etc
they knew it was wrong but they did it anyway
do u know the concept of the fortunate fall ? if adam and eve did not sin , and were cast down from heaven , all human race would not have been created
Ezldor 6 months ago
@Ezldor How do you explain Gen 1:27?
gambleor 6 months ago
@gambleor dont need to explain a book i dont believe in
Ezldor 6 months ago
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@Ezldor "dont need to explain a book i dont believe in" I'm not asking you to explain the book. I'm asking you how you came to the conclusion that Genesis does not support the idea that man was created in God's image when the creation narratives tell us that He did and, furthermore, that this understanding is invaluable in understanding the second creation narrative.
gambleor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite #3 Adam and Eve were smart enough to know that they didn't want to eat the fruit when they thought it would kill them. It's only after they were told that they would become gods that they decided eating the fruit was desirable. In other words, they were making moral discernment prior to eating the fruit.
gambleor 6 months ago
@ReignbowSmite #1 For the purpose of narrative development. God was not afraid that they would become like Him. What the story conveys in a simple to understand way is the ultimate consequence of grasping at things which one ought to mature to.
#2 These questions are assuming a polytheistic moral paradigm where good/evil are woven into the fabric of metaphysical reality. This is not the morality of the Bible. There is no such thing an act that is good or evil "just because."
gambleor 6 months ago
To quote Frank Zappa, "God made us to be just like him, so if We're dumb, then God is dumb, and maybe a little ugly on the side."
drfoxcourt 6 months ago
God doesn't create them dumb in the narrative. He creates them in His likeness and they don't eat the fruit in pursuit of knowledge, the fruit does not offer them that anyway. They only eat the fruit when they are told by the serpent that it will make them "like gods" and we know that the serpent was lying because God had already made them in His image. Their sin wasn't disobedience to rules or God's jealousy, it was idolatry.
gambleor 6 months ago
I´ll go with the XBox and Playstaions!
moonlightavenger 6 months ago in playlist A ver
Hahaha. Nice video young man. I literally laughed out loud when you said "Now we have xboxes and playstations". I'm going to check a few more and see if I'd like to subscribe.
WilliamAllikzander 6 months ago
*picks up my favourite stick to go play on the motorway because God made me dumb.
theUKatheist 6 months ago
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downyourtube 6 months ago
I love this guy
DoctorMeh 6 months ago
I have the sudden urge for a big, red, juicy apple!
sheri226 6 months ago
Fuck yeah, I would love to go to that garden and be n a permanent good one. Sunshine, naked chicks., dinosaurs....bring it on!
aaqaaqaaqaaqaaqaaqaa 6 months ago
the lesson i learned from that: don't rely on authority.
if you know the consequences, and you wanna still do it, go for it.
De4sher 6 months ago
According to Genesis, it wasn't Satan who conned Eve, it was "God's most cunning creature" - a serpent. And as punishment, biblegod condemned all snakes for the action of one ordinary talking snake.
My hypothesis for the Abrahamic faiths promoting the story is straight forward - convince someone that knowledge and thinking is punishable with eternal punishment...and you got yourself a slave.
TheHigherVoltage 6 months ago
@TheHigherVoltage Couldn't agree more. Most bible belters seem to me like they are brainwashed when most of what they say makes no logical sense and they ignore their own teachings.
MrFutureseer 6 months ago
Yep. Christians are quick enough to embrace all this "sinful" technology - like the internet.
This brought up an interesting thought in my mind. If Adam and Eve were not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then they could not have known the difference between the two. Therefore they could not know that eating the fruit was evil. Punishing them (and all mankind) for that would be like punishing a child who has never been tought right from wrong. Yet another contradiction.
ThomasTrue 6 months ago
Well, in all fairness, the tree of knowledge only gave knowledge of good and evil. It didn't mean humans were supposed to be completely stupid. However, what it means is that before eating the apple, humans lacked moral reasoning and could not discern right from wrong. Yaweh is thus holding humanity responsible for making a decision that we at the time weren't even capable of making. By our own legal standard in the US, we could not be held accountable. Way to go, Yaweh.
VigilanteNighthawk 6 months ago
Pull it off REALLY fast and it might take care of that zit for ya...
shanedk 6 months ago
Overall, the Fall of Man and Lucifer's evil influence is part of God's eternal plan for mankind. You see, He wanted us to have an inherent guilt complex.
CMO999 6 months ago
Funny how Christians call Satan a liar (ignoring the Old Testament never once stated Satan was the serpent) when God admitted that Satan was right about Adam and Eve becoming like God knowing good and evil. Seems like morality makes you like a god. There's 6+ billion of us gods XD.
HybridD91 6 months ago
The big bang is god
evo2029 6 months ago
@evo2029 the big bang was your mom
Tethloach1 6 months ago
@evo2029 Then god isn't supernatural and no longer exist because the Big Bang was an action (or reaction).
HybridD91 6 months ago
So God knows everything? So he knew that his creation would disobey him, eat the apple and enslave mankind forever. What a bastard he must have been. Wait, God is love so this story can't be true. Obviously God is a construct of a bunch of crazy middle eastern shepherds. If a God does exist then we have never seen him. Conclusion; wake up to reality.
baxtar1963 6 months ago
What I understood from the story:
Ignorant people are at one with their God, and only knowledge can destroy that connection.
mistWalker66 6 months ago 11
@mistWalker66 - Amazingly well put. I am so ashamed to have believed this story for so long. I have broken free, & happier in doing so. You must be good at aesops fables.
RODikUlus 6 months ago
@RODikUlus Well done for breaking free. Do you mind if I ask how old you are and how long you were a christian?
GileadKid 6 months ago
@GileadKid - Thanks. I was a raised to be a Jehovahs Witness from birth. I was baptized in that faith at 16. By 28 I was disfellowshipped. That was my time to start thinking. Youtube has been a huge help, as 3 years ago I was actually defending JW's. Now I speak out against them, and Christianity.
RODikUlus 6 months ago
The angels were placed at the gates of the garden of Eden to prevent Adam and Eve from eating from the tree of life which was in the garden. Soooooo what is REALLY disturbing is why didn't he put angels to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the first place if it wasn't a set up from the start? God of the Bible is an evil sadist.
imthedonna 6 months ago
Comedy is not your strong suit.
Pretty good video, all the same.
Skindoggiedog 6 months ago
if adam and eve were the first humans, and they had kids, who did their kids have kids with?
on the 8th day did god say "let there be incest"?
AceofDiamonds0 6 months ago
@AceofDiamonds0 Don't forget the other great incest orgie, Noah and his troop. Not one, but two incestuous starts to Mankind. Talk about nuts.
saxmanchiro 6 months ago
Fuck you god.
You think you've got one over me?
Fuck you!
I've got some news for you, motherfucker!
I use your stupid bible to wipe my ass after taking a dump!
Watcha gonna do, tough guy?
BetaDeltaCebu 6 months ago
I have mixed feelings about pointing technology as proof of the desirability of knowledge. I think our technology is both a good and a bad thing because we're using it irrationally, always producing more (because growth for growth's sake is supposed to be a desirable thing), creating enormous wealth while only getting crumbs of it (while most of it goes straight into the pockets of those who don't need it), and staying the course towards exhaustion of world natural ressources.
yaann 6 months ago
5:22 loincloth? That's too much dude. They used leafs to cover their privates back then, loincloth is also a product of wisdom and advancement. You overestimate them.
fablan6 6 months ago
What do you expect from a religion who's bad guy's name is "bringer of light (knowledge)".
fablan6 6 months ago
I've always had this suspicion that christians got it all wrong, that Satan is in fact the good guy in these old myths and Gawd just the one with the better PR apparatus.
detersgumig 6 months ago
i have the cern collider - the xbox , because xbox is like the garden of eden
jmm1233 6 months ago
the thing we should be concerned about is why this so called god didnt want his creations to be smart , infact he punished them for wanting knowledge , the way i see it , the god everyone worships is satan , after all he sacraficed his son.
And dont forget these god worshipers eat jesuses flesh and drink his blood in a cracker and wine ritual.. and they worship a man being tortured on a cross , am i the only one that finds this disturbing
BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS 6 months ago 27
@BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS Or better yet, why even give them a choice and command that he knew they weren't gonna follow, knowing the consequences for humanity? Why not intervene when the snake tried to deceive? them
petion2010 6 months ago
@petion2010 I like the story of there was 2 lots of Adam`s and eve`s , the first lot didnt like being slaves to their creators and left , so they made a second batch(from adams rib bone, aka dna) and this time they made them dumbed down so they wouldnt leave , so the first ones came back to rescue them , and they were considered the snake ( the son`s of serpents), so the story is of the 1st Adam&eves (the snake) offering the 2nd lot wisdom, aka :wake them up with the truth about their creation
BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS 6 months ago
@BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS you know whats more disturbing,their are two storys of creation,with dif,beginings and ends,their were two trees 1 tree of good and evil and one the tree of life that he did not let them get next to it,their are also 2 storys of the ark.i mean pick your story what ever you can make a religion out of..the kicker is christianity is not origional,the bible was copy from pagan myths and other religions ..fact
MrEnlightenup 6 months ago
@MrEnlightenup yer i agree . just got to look at the 2 pagen religions b4 jesus , infact lets have a look at people born on the 25th.
jesus , budha ,horus, Beddou, Quetzalcoatl, Attis, Tammuz, Mithra, Dionysus, Krishna, Attis, and the romans worshipped Saturnalia on this day , so this is truely an evil day..
I could go on all day , im not sure why religous people dont do any study to find out about all of this , i guess there brainwashed .
BIGHAIRYSILVERBALLS 6 months ago
I don't know. What flavour is the paste?
Just taking a break from finishing up an Eden video myself right now. I'll post it as a response in the next day or two. It was great to hear another slant. Brilliant stuff! Now if you don't mind, I have to get back to procrastinating. ;¬)
DaithiDublin 6 months ago
@DaithiDublin That's good to hear!
Seems ages since you did a video...
HarrysSecret 6 months ago
@HarrysSecret Yeah, it's a voice-over thingy, and I'm Google-eyed trawling for pics. Well - ehm - I was. Just a minute ago. Honest... ;¬)
DaithiDublin 6 months ago
There's one slight problem with your exposition. The "tree" you're referring to is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" rather than just the "tree of knowledge". So the whole dummy thing is a bit of a strawman.
NovaAesa 6 months ago
The point is fruit roll ups are the devils candy all rolled up in one cavity filled delight. Proving that the devil was originally a dentist. Can there be any other interpretation?
TheLummer66 6 months ago
The moral of the story: Ignorance is bliss.
DarkMatter2525 6 months ago 18
@DarkMatter2525
That's one moral. Some others are: Don't listen to women, don't talk to strangers, punish disobedient children harshly...
Fangs1978 6 months ago
mankind and womankind gained fruit of knowledge to know as god knows and were kicked out of the animal kingdom aka evolved. that is what the hebrew says.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
Apparently, Gawd asked your same question of all mothers of "handicapable" children I've ever met and they went back to the Garden! Otherwise, there would be at least 5 posts by now insisting that dumbies have nothing in common with Down Syndrome suffers (Gawd's Hissyfits others might say).
Alright, I'm gonna go there: do you think perhaps Gawd was so angry because Gawd DID in fact make us in his own image...as r-words??????????????
LazyIrish829 6 months ago
"Gods" a prick. I'd design a special pill that would wake me up from being a dummy tell the evil prick yes to get behind enemy lines and help to take his ass down. The Trojan horse is a good war strategy. ^___^ I'd also recruit some angels because a good take over requires good spies and double agents. ^___^
MistressArte 6 months ago
Makes sense.... most loud christians have been rejecting knowledge as if it was a bad bad bad thing and they need to be pure.
Darkfirebrand 6 months ago
@OGjimbo - "Flowers for Algernon" one of my all time favorite books.
rictusgate 6 months ago
Good to know that our entire population was the result of incest
spinnersmetal 6 months ago
The serpent isn't the devil. This is a friendly talking snake who knows what's what and yes, he's just helping us out. The part about "enmity with your seed" and "he shall bruise your head" is almost surely just commentary on how people feel about snakes. I don't see the need to read any deeper theological meanings into the serpent/snake.
Ermac514 6 months ago
@Ermac514 True enough, there's nothing in Genesis (or anywhere in the Christian scriptures) that say the snake is even a "satan." In fact, in order to make that assertion, most apologists attempt to use something from Revelations where the author calls the satan in that book an "old snake."
ThePrinceOfMillAve 6 months ago
@ThePrinceOfMillAve Right. I agree that there's something in Revelations that supports the idea and that that's about it as far as scriptural support goes. Interestingly the book of Revelations is not included in all Christian Bibles. I'm not sure what the sect by sect breakdown is, but even if you do come from a tradition that accepts Revelations, consider also the incredible gap of years between authorship of the Garden story and Revelations. No problem if God's the author though, right?
Ermac514 6 months ago
@Ermac514 To me, the fundamental takeaway from this is that even scriptural religions eventually divorce themselves culturally and mythologically from their textual source as the mythology expands. Contemporary Christian mythology between different sects inflates huge stories out of individual lines in the text and sometimes ignores the text entirely in order to spin new narratives. While different practitioners have the same core text -- sometimes they have totally different conceptions.
ThePrinceOfMillAve 6 months ago
@ThePrinceOfMillAve Hmm, I wish I could word my comments so eloquently. It took me like 15 minutes worth of writing, and rewriting sentence structures just to post this short little comment. And I'm still somewhat sad hurt with the way the comment sound not come off too smart good.
OGjimbo 6 months ago
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@OGjimbo *blush* Well, I'm both an anthropologist AND a fiction novelist -- both jobs which eventually cause a person to start writing this way by themselves; put them both together, and, well, eventually we rise to such a level of eloquence as to become incomprehensible. (Not kidding: Read an anthropology paper in a peer reviewed journal sometime, *I* cannot read some of those without a lexicon and a bottle of oxycodone.)
ThePrinceOfMillAve 6 months ago
The thing that really pisses me off, is everyone is going to hell, because Adam and Eve ate the magical McIntosh, and gave into the dreadful temptation to test their curiosity. God sure is a colossal phallus.
SkullVodka 6 months ago
Dude, seriously.
I sat in my air-conditioned room, playing Xbox, eating fruit roll-ups yesterday!
Not kidding at all. Stop spying on me.
I'm with ya..
Props to the talking snake.
nishbrown 6 months ago
Don't talk to snakes? God is mean to the point of evil? That's pretty much the shit I took away from that story. I also love to smoke that tree! That tree, and its knowledge, were worth giving up heaven.
bamboo4tameshigiri 6 months ago
this is good, but what happened to your art videos.
skinnywhop87 6 months ago
first view and comment!
DeusExWhyZed 6 months ago